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Speaker 1: email of the week. We have a bunch of good
Speaker 1: emails this week, but I'll announce who are gonna give
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Speaker 1: by the way, it is ridiculous out there, is especially
Speaker 1: saying yesterday and you know it's funny. Before I get
Speaker 1: to these emails, Uh, there's times on the podcast I
Speaker 1: talk about like the homelessness problem in New York, and
Speaker 1: it is hard not to be like kind of a
Speaker 1: jaded New Yorker at times. But in this weather, you
Speaker 1: gotta keep in mind, like you know, it sucks to
Speaker 1: be homeless any time of the year, but like out
Speaker 1: on the streets, you're gonna freeze to death. Yeah, fifty
Speaker 1: seventy degrees, Like you'll live. These people could literally die.
Speaker 1: So it's like, if you could help someone out and
Speaker 1: your weather in New York, New Jersey, tri State or
Speaker 1: anywhere being hit by the snow or by the cold front. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, help someone out if you can, because it's
Speaker 1: it's pretty fucking brutal out there. Yeah. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: only so many beds in the shelters, um, but hopefully
Speaker 1: most of those guys were normally out on the street
Speaker 1: are able to find some place at least to sleep
Speaker 1: at night. Yeah, so if you could help. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: we're normal normally, not the podcast who talks about it
Speaker 1: because you know we're admittedly I'm like Jaden New Yorkers,
Speaker 1: where you come out here and it is you know,
Speaker 1: it's freezing, and you know, if you can help these
Speaker 1: people out, now is a great time to do. People
Speaker 1: talk about it during Christmas and all that, but to
Speaker 1: be honest, Christmas, Uh, here in New York. It wasn't
Speaker 1: anywhere near the temperatures of right now. It's after Christmas,
Speaker 1: is like January February in the March where it's really bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there's people out here probably need boots, they need socks,
Speaker 1: just like pretty basic stuff that we all take advantage of. UM.
Speaker 1: All right, getting into emails here, I'll get into this
Speaker 1: first email and then I'll announce the email of the week.
Speaker 1: So this is and I'm just gonna turn my volume
Speaker 1: up here. This is not the UM email the week,
Speaker 1: but it was very good email. So I'll read this
Speaker 1: one from Mike, who is a major sergeant retired. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm answering Ian's call for COMMO this week. I've been
Speaker 1: listening to you guys for two years now on my
Speaker 1: daily one hour commutes to work and love the show.
Speaker 1: This is definitely the best military podcast on the air.
Speaker 1: I'm listening. I feel I've gotten to know you Ian
Speaker 1: and Jack in a sense, and I really enjoy your
Speaker 1: updates on current events and your perspectives on the issues
Speaker 1: at hand. However, there is one area where I feel
Speaker 1: that you guys may be lacking. That is in the
Speaker 1: area of spirituality and its power to heal vets or
Speaker 1: anyone for that matter. I have not heard much discussed
Speaker 1: on the show regarding this most powerful tool, especially from
Speaker 1: that one legendary uh. Except from that one legendary Vietnam
Speaker 1: SF dude whose name escapes me now who practices shamanism
Speaker 1: and meditation. That would be Jim Morris. Jim Morris, who,
Speaker 1: by the way, he's written several books about shamanism. Yes,
Speaker 1: and we're going to have the author of that book
Speaker 1: in front of you on Vietnam, which I believe Jim
Speaker 1: Morris is cited in Vietnam Bouchi. Yeah, So that's about
Speaker 1: the men on the ground reporting from Vietnam and who
Speaker 1: are embedded and Jim Morris, if I remember correctly, as
Speaker 1: one of the men uh cited in that book. So
Speaker 1: that's going to be in just a couple of weeks. Anyway,
Speaker 1: back to the email, Um. Yeah, as a twenty six
Speaker 1: year veteran of both the Marine Corps in the Air
Speaker 1: Force SAW twenty six year veteran, that's pretty intense, uh.
Speaker 1: And as a practicing Jew, I have seen firsthand what
Speaker 1: belief and higher power can do to help a person
Speaker 1: struggling with addiction, despair, depression, PTSD, hopelessness, and suicidal ideations. Uh.
Speaker 1: Just going to Sunday morning worship service or talking to
Speaker 1: a chaplain has helped many military UH military member cope.
Speaker 1: Like the positive values attained from serving in the US military,
Speaker 1: so too, there is much good that can be gained
Speaker 1: from a belief in a higher power and in an
Speaker 1: adherence to a set code of positive religious conduct. Most
Speaker 1: of all, just like being in the military, having a
Speaker 1: set faith can transformer person for the better through education, guidance,
Speaker 1: and a positive set of and a positive sense of
Speaker 1: purpose in life. I believe these principles are most valuable
Speaker 1: for helping struggling warriors and veterans cope with their challenges
Speaker 1: in life and would be a most valuable topic of
Speaker 1: conversation to present to present on your show. Uh center
Speaker 1: fidelis Uh Major Sergeant Mike, I'm probably gonna butcher name
Speaker 1: Master sergeant, Master sergeant sorry, Mike, ex excute retired. But anyway,
Speaker 1: that's that's a highly decorated career, I mean twenty six years.
Speaker 1: Uh here's Uh. I guess my response would be, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm someone who believes in higher power. I you know,
Speaker 1: I do have my own spiritual views and um, someone
Speaker 1: who's it's kind of interesting because half my family is Catholic,
Speaker 1: half my family is Jewish. I was raised Jewish. Um,
Speaker 1: I've learned a lot from Christian friends of mine, like
Speaker 1: evangelical Christians. I've learned a lot from Buddhist friends of mine.
Speaker 1: I think, like my spiritual views are a little bit
Speaker 1: of a variety of different different views. I don't um
Speaker 1: ad here to like one set of beliefs. But I
Speaker 1: think the reason we don't get into it that much
Speaker 1: is it's just like it's not the platform. I don't
Speaker 1: think any of us want to come off as preachy,
Speaker 1: but we're we're not opposed to having people were like
Speaker 1: completely secular or people were religious on the podcast. Actually
Speaker 1: looking up our last guest, Peter Gidry's background, he's apparently
Speaker 1: like extremely religious. But yeah, but it's just not or
Speaker 1: I don't think he would use the term religious. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people don't like that term. But
Speaker 1: but spiritual and you know, believer in Jesus, uh and
Speaker 1: you know that. I just don't. I think our platform
Speaker 1: is for people who are um of any religious background,
Speaker 1: but we're open having people on. I just don't want
Speaker 1: to ever have the show come off as preachy or
Speaker 1: anything like that. That's just my view. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I think it's just that, you know, someone like
Speaker 1: Jim Morris or someone like maybe Todd Apalski could speak
Speaker 1: to something like that quite better than I could. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not a religious man by any means. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I have you know, philosophical beliefs, and I
Speaker 1: certainly don't believe and I is um or or that
Speaker 1: we should be a moral I'm far from it. Um.
Speaker 1: And I think it's important to have those kind of
Speaker 1: bedrock beliefs and have those that moral compass um. So
Speaker 1: you know, you know where your lines are, you know,
Speaker 1: and there's those those things you just aren't gonna do,
Speaker 1: and those lines you just aren't going to cross. Um.
Speaker 1: But for you is doing gay board that's one of them. Well, well,
Speaker 1: hey man, try anything once. I mean, why not? But
Speaker 1: uh uh really, I mean, I I don't uh deride
Speaker 1: um the importance of spirituality or um the role that
Speaker 1: religion plays for many soldiers and veterans. I just don't
Speaker 1: feel like I'm really qualified to speak to that myself. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I agree, if someone you know that is qualified and
Speaker 1: wants to get into that type of thing where I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe we can have talking Maybe we could have an
Speaker 1: episode where we have like a chaplain on from like
Speaker 1: the range of regiment or or some other unit, UM
Speaker 1: who can talk about, um, the role that Applin plays
Speaker 1: in the military and for his unit, and and get
Speaker 1: into some of these subjects. I mean, that's something we've
Speaker 1: never done before that you know, some people would be
Speaker 1: interested in. I think yeah. And I also think as
Speaker 1: long as um, you're not excluding the audience or you know,
Speaker 1: basically watering down the podcast in a way. There's that
Speaker 1: funny story. I mean it's been years, so I think
Speaker 1: I could talk about we probably have at some point
Speaker 1: where uh, Brandon was on Will Cows Show and he
Speaker 1: talked about was a portray as you cheated on his wife? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And Brandon was on you know and just the same
Speaker 1: way we funk around on this podcast. He said to
Speaker 1: Andrews like, well, at least she was hot, and uh,
Speaker 1: Jerry Boykin's wife called into the hotline and I answered,
Speaker 1: and she was like, you know, that was really inappropriate
Speaker 1: of brand to say about such a serious issue. And
Speaker 1: I know, like General Boykin is very religious and it's
Speaker 1: just like, that's that's not us. We're not the type
Speaker 1: of people who are gonna, you know, be like, oh,
Speaker 1: pray for General Petrayus. It's just it's not in the
Speaker 1: nature of me, you or Brandon or it's well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I I hope that General petray Us and his wife
Speaker 1: Holly patch things, of course, and of course, but we're
Speaker 1: not gonna not joke about the fact that, like the
Speaker 1: woman was, it's when it splashes across you know, major
Speaker 1: media headlines and it's an unavoidable issue. There there are
Speaker 1: some things about that, Yeah, you couldn't help but laugh
Speaker 1: at and maybe that's in bad taste. I mean, I
Speaker 1: get it, but still it's like, but that's also who
Speaker 1: you are is a podcast where we're completely unpc and
Speaker 1: unfiltered and Paul Paul are broadwell. Interestingly, I read this
Speaker 1: article I think it was in the New York Times.
Speaker 1: Now she's like a crusader that goes around and said
Speaker 1: about talking about gender bias and how we're not supposed
Speaker 1: to use the word mistress. She didn't like that the
Speaker 1: press described her as Petrayus as mistress, So we're not
Speaker 1: that's another one of those words we're not allowed to
Speaker 1: say anymore. Ye wait, along with many things with with
Speaker 1: a million other that none of us can keep track of, mistress,
Speaker 1: don't ever say that again. UM, all right, so this
Speaker 1: is the best email of the week. I'm gonna email
Speaker 1: you back, Scott, and you're gonna get some awesome stuff
Speaker 1: from us, because I I thought this was really informative
Speaker 1: before we get to our guests here. That whole story
Speaker 1: Ian also reminds me of a mutual friend we have
Speaker 1: or had we we well, let's just say we both
Speaker 1: knew this woman. And I started getting emails UM to
Speaker 1: my work email address, all these women complaining that she
Speaker 1: was sleeping with all the SF down at four Bragg
Speaker 1: And I was like, bro, don't look at me. I
Speaker 1: didn't sleep with her. What are you sending me e mail?
Speaker 1: Like I met this woman once. You're breaking my balls
Speaker 1: about it? Yeah, I think it was. It was all
Speaker 1: probably because we mentioned on the podcast that she hooked
Speaker 1: us up with a guest. Maybe if I remember correctly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. There are these like, there are these uh
Speaker 1: you know wives, UM come in and complaining to me
Speaker 1: about it, and I was like, I don't really know her,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't. I didn't sleep with her like, yeah,
Speaker 1: not the glove does not fit. You must have quit um,
Speaker 1: all right. So this is where Scott uh and I
Speaker 1: really like this because it's good to learn more about
Speaker 1: a subject after we touched on it. For those who
Speaker 1: didn't listen Um last episode, this is in regards to that.
Speaker 1: I'm a long time Creatum user and at one time
Speaker 1: was in the creative business. I'm pro creatum and still
Speaker 1: use creative dahi. I wouldn't say I'm a SMI subject
Speaker 1: matter expert on creatum, but I know a decent amount
Speaker 1: about it and its actions in the body, harvest in
Speaker 1: goods as well as bads. My big concern is the
Speaker 1: lack of information being put out about creatum to the
Speaker 1: people considering or learning about creatum. Jack inquired several times
Speaker 1: for more data with the guests but got limited return.
Speaker 1: And that and that most using or promoting creatum know
Speaker 1: the end result of use, but not the mechanisms of
Speaker 1: Creatum's actions in the body and those effects. Creatums alkaloids
Speaker 1: bind to the opioid receptors similar to opioids, so long
Speaker 1: term or excessive use of creatum is addictive, just like
Speaker 1: any opioid. Creatum types and strengths of alkaloids vary by strain,
Speaker 1: harvest processing, and geograph apical location to harvest. Creatum can
Speaker 1: also be deadly when mixed with other natural extracts such
Speaker 1: as uh finna butt and or caba caba, very similar
Speaker 1: to the combo of percocet and some a mix. Many
Speaker 1: users get scripted, which causes respiratory distress. Just a few
Speaker 1: things with creatum in my humble opinion that users, users
Speaker 1: or potential users may want to know before they dip
Speaker 1: into the creative world. Keep up the good work. Thanks Scott,
Speaker 1: And I thought that was extremely balanced and informative. So yeah, um, definitely.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you know, again back to like the marijuana and
Speaker 1: was that that BDS oil? What then? Is it a lot?
Speaker 1: It's funny now there's MCT oil and there's yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's these things get hailed. It's like a miracle
Speaker 1: cure for everything. And of course there are you know,
Speaker 1: downsides to it that people should probably be aware of.
Speaker 1: Is MCT oil the one thing that there's there's I
Speaker 1: don't know, there's that one that's derived from marijuana. It's
Speaker 1: uh cbd cbd oil. My understanding is that CBD oils
Speaker 1: snake oil essentially. Well, on the last episode, Peter did
Speaker 1: mention CBD oil, and I mean, there's some people who
Speaker 1: seem to swear by it, you know, And I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, if it helps people and or even even
Speaker 1: if it's placebone, they think it helps, you know, But
Speaker 1: I don't know anymore than you. But I thought it
Speaker 1: was good to see this because, you know, as he mentioned,
Speaker 1: these combinations of what you shouldn't take together, I do
Speaker 1: great people should be informed before they dipped their toes
Speaker 1: into any any drug or even even uh any supplement.
Speaker 1: I've I've taken uh, you know, supplements for working out
Speaker 1: in that type of thing before and realized I was
Speaker 1: taking too high of a dosage. And you know, just
Speaker 1: be educated before you try anything, alright. So joining us
Speaker 1: on the podcast are two of the women cited in
Speaker 1: the Reuter's piece as US soldiers Battle Landlord, Confidential records
Speaker 1: shine light on his lucrative business. If you haven't read
Speaker 1: the article, it gives a great background and what's going
Speaker 1: on and how basically these military families are being exploited
Speaker 1: for a guy making tremendous profit. It's yeah, it's pretty outrageous.
Speaker 1: But uh, Lee and Crystal will elaborate on all of that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Yeah, well we'll get into it. I have
Speaker 1: a little bit on both your backgrounds. But just so
Speaker 1: the audience audience uh becomes acclimated with like who's who
Speaker 1: and whose voices who? I know, it could get a
Speaker 1: little bit confusing. UM, So I guess we want to
Speaker 1: start with Crystal. Do you want to just give the audience,
Speaker 1: UM a few words about who you are and then
Speaker 1: we'll hand it over to Lee. Sure. UM. My name
Speaker 1: is Crystal Cornwall and I'm actually a marine corpse spouse. UM.
Speaker 1: I have a bachelor's degree in public administration. I'm working
Speaker 1: on a master's degree right now. UM. I actually do
Speaker 1: have a full time job and I do on this
Speaker 1: lobbying an advocacy for military families UM on the side,
Speaker 1: UM as another full time project. And I am a
Speaker 1: mom and I have three beautiful children. So, oh, thank
Speaker 1: you Crystal and uh Lee. So my name is Lee
Speaker 1: Tuttle and I grew up outside of Philadelphia. I received
Speaker 1: my bachelor's from Virginia Commonwealth University. Married my husband, who
Speaker 1: is part of the soft community, and we've lived all
Speaker 1: over the place. We have two young children, and UM,
Speaker 1: I got definitely invested in this while living at Ford
Speaker 1: Polk when my family became adversely effective, um by the
Speaker 1: house that we're living in on base. And let's get
Speaker 1: into that then a little bit as far as what
Speaker 1: we're talking about here today and UM, how the two
Speaker 1: of you have become I guess you could say activists
Speaker 1: in a sense, UM, that you're trying to bring this
Speaker 1: specific issue to people's attention. That are the military housing
Speaker 1: on military installations. A lot of it is actually privatized,
Speaker 1: which is the first thing I don't think people understand.
Speaker 1: And second that there are these major health issues with
Speaker 1: the dilapidated state of some of these homes. UM. So
Speaker 1: maybe we could start off by having each of you
Speaker 1: speak to you know, your personal experiences and moving into
Speaker 1: some of these homes. Yeah. So I am our first
Speaker 1: and only experiencing living on base was at Fort Polk.
Speaker 1: We um had come from three years in Okinawa, Japan
Speaker 1: living off base. Um, everyone was healthy and happy. My
Speaker 1: son Weston was two at the time, and a surviving
Speaker 1: child would be able to go outside and play for
Speaker 1: hours right around within I would say two weeks of
Speaker 1: moving into that house on for a polk. He was
Speaker 1: developing respiratory issues. Um, and it was just very unlike him.
Speaker 1: So throughout our time there, UM, it was just getting
Speaker 1: progressively worse. My husband was getting sick and no one
Speaker 1: was able to give us the answers. My husband was
Speaker 1: actually put on an inhaler during our time there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we I decided to just kind of get into
Speaker 1: it on my own after dealing with housing who were
Speaker 1: providing very limited answers to me. So I went in there,
Speaker 1: ripped up my carpet, found black mold growing on the floor. UM.
Speaker 1: I went up in the air ducts with my husband
Speaker 1: and shined some flashlights and saw just you know, visible
Speaker 1: mold spores and unfortunately the worst was over my two
Speaker 1: year olds dead. Since is a pervasive issue, this wasn't
Speaker 1: you know, specifically towards to me. I mean this, I
Speaker 1: mean my neighbors were dealing with this, um across the
Speaker 1: US everyone. I mean, I would say, what is it,
Speaker 1: temper one and I would say seven houses is dealing
Speaker 1: with some pervasive mold issues. Do you know why? Um?
Speaker 1: Why why does my black mold I've heard in the
Speaker 1: past is especially you know toxic and harmful for people.
Speaker 1: But do you know why it grows in so many
Speaker 1: of these on post housing units. Well, I think one
Speaker 1: of the issues, I mean, I mean, we can I
Speaker 1: can speculate that these are cheap renovations. I was told
Speaker 1: that I was moving into a new home on Fort
Speaker 1: Polk and when I ripped this carpet up, I saw
Speaker 1: what looked like remnants of plumbing that had just kind
Speaker 1: of been sealed over. UM. And through the ruter's investigation,
Speaker 1: they in fact found that my home was built in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty and tad just been remodeled. So they put
Speaker 1: a fresh coat of paint on there and built over
Speaker 1: the facade and called it good, correct and something good
Speaker 1: please Crystal. Oh Well, the one thing that I wanted
Speaker 1: to add to what Late was saying was that one
Speaker 1: of the reasons I also believe that there is a
Speaker 1: pervasive mold issue. UM. It amounts to a couple of
Speaker 1: different things. UM. I believe that there's probably some structural issues.
Speaker 1: There's definitely been elation issues that we've been pervasive UM
Speaker 1: that has completely surpassed location and branch and UM like
Speaker 1: environmental areas. UM. And the other issue too is the
Speaker 1: poor maintenance and the lack of qualified maintenance on the home.
Speaker 1: So if you have a water intrusion problem, say a
Speaker 1: pipe bus behind the walls, UM, they're not remedying it
Speaker 1: the way that they should with with current industry standards
Speaker 1: for how that sort of thing should be remedied. One
Speaker 1: can grow within twenty four hours in one. It takes
Speaker 1: twenty four hours of moisture intrusion for that to happen.
Speaker 1: And there's also moisture intrusion because air conditioning events have
Speaker 1: not been lyned properly with installation. So it's the condensation
Speaker 1: and the events is is causing mold within your air
Speaker 1: duct system. You know, it's it's a lot of different things,
Speaker 1: to be totally honest with you, from a lot of
Speaker 1: different angles, right Like for example, the one of the
Speaker 1: UM contractors who came out to seeing my air ducts, UM,
Speaker 1: I was able to look him up and he was
Speaker 1: a headstone maker and fence installer. So it's just a
Speaker 1: local handyman rather than a specialist. Yeah, not even a handyman.
Speaker 1: I mean if he makes headstones, he's probably not permitted
Speaker 1: to be remitting for water intrusion like a licensed plant
Speaker 1: I would do you know, or a licensed electrician would
Speaker 1: manage you know, the electrical side. And the reason why
Speaker 1: I got into this was really over something very trivial,
Speaker 1: but to me it was big because I own a
Speaker 1: rental property as well. UM. We were we had moved
Speaker 1: out charges at Camp Pendleton, UM. It was our third
Speaker 1: duty station, and it was something I fought with Lincoln
Speaker 1: Military Housing for an entire year. And one of the
Speaker 1: problems that I noticed is that there was no redressed.
Speaker 1: So in California. UM. You know, if if you're a landlord,
Speaker 1: if Lincoln Military Housing sends you to collections, you can't
Speaker 1: file in state court to disuse those collection charge is
Speaker 1: you literally pay it or it goes on your credit
Speaker 1: report and then it goes against obviously your spouse is
Speaker 1: clearance or your clearance if your government employee. UM. So
Speaker 1: there is no redress within the local UM stage systems.
Speaker 1: And so I was just like, oh my god, if
Speaker 1: this is happening in California, what's happening in other places?
Speaker 1: I mean, my whole family is military. My brother just
Speaker 1: got out on ninety percent disability out of the army
Speaker 1: at thirty four years old. So you know, this this
Speaker 1: really circles around, as you know, dear to my heart,
Speaker 1: because military families, you know, we are a military family.
Speaker 1: And as I started getting into this, I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I started reaching out to Fort Polk, I started reaching
Speaker 1: out to Benny, I started reaching out to Campbell Union
Speaker 1: and just all these bases. And then I found this
Speaker 1: UM web page. I found this UM Facebook page was
Speaker 1: called led Mold Asbestos at the time, and it was
Speaker 1: ran by UM Darlina Brown, who was in the first
Speaker 1: Ruder story about the lead poisoning. So Darlena and I
Speaker 1: kind of hooked up, and then UM and all that networking.
Speaker 1: The Reuters story came out, and then I started sending
Speaker 1: information to Reuters and that's how I met Lee and
Speaker 1: all of these other folks have really wanted to try
Speaker 1: to help us UM, and so far, based on the
Speaker 1: Facebook stats on that page, we've grown that page on
Speaker 1: this two thousand members just a few months, and we
Speaker 1: have reached over a hundred basis both in the country
Speaker 1: and outside of the country for pervasive housing problems. Before
Speaker 1: we get into some of the larger, big picture issues
Speaker 1: that I definitely want to talk about, I was wondering
Speaker 1: if you could speak a little bit more about how
Speaker 1: the maintenance issues on these on post housing units deviate
Speaker 1: from what are normal industry standards. Um, how is it
Speaker 1: different than you know, if you lived you know, actually
Speaker 1: off base somewhere, Lee, do you want to talk about
Speaker 1: that are on me too? So for what I know
Speaker 1: about you know, mold, everything needs to be sealed off
Speaker 1: in the house. Um, family members including pets need to
Speaker 1: be away from the premise because these spores become airborne
Speaker 1: again and um, you know can people can develop some
Speaker 1: severe respiratory issues and also infections due to the mold
Speaker 1: spores being throughout the house. Um. When ours was treated,
Speaker 1: there was some tarps put down on my kidsen table
Speaker 1: and on the bed. I was never told to leave
Speaker 1: the house. My kids and I were in our house
Speaker 1: while this was going on. So if you know this
Speaker 1: was in say a rental property off base, absolutely there
Speaker 1: would be recourse for me. But there was nothing that
Speaker 1: I could do in the situation other than ask and
Speaker 1: ask and ask mm hmm. And so there's no there's
Speaker 1: no legal recourse. UM, in the conventional sense that you
Speaker 1: can't as as I think Crystal was pointing out, you
Speaker 1: can't just go to a state court or a district
Speaker 1: court or town court, civil court. Right, no, great. Frankly,
Speaker 1: I was calling around all over the place, all living there.
Speaker 1: I was calling home inspectors, and no one wanted to
Speaker 1: help me out because of just the huge corporation. I
Speaker 1: thought it that is they're quite Frankly, it seemed almost
Speaker 1: scared to come on base since one guy said, well,
Speaker 1: I can come on like after the sun sets and
Speaker 1: take a look for you if you'd like. Not dealing
Speaker 1: with that, like, yeah, yeah, I have a property and
Speaker 1: have lot in North Carolina, which is great. It's every point.
Speaker 1: So we actually have military tenants in our home, and
Speaker 1: our home is damage because of the recent hurricane that
Speaker 1: just came through and it took us, you know, a
Speaker 1: couple of months to get the roof fixed, but we
Speaker 1: had water damage. Um. But if there was no damage
Speaker 1: inside the home, I would be regally liable within a
Speaker 1: usable amount of time in a devastated area to make
Speaker 1: sure that my tenants had a safe home. I am
Speaker 1: required by law, by habitability laws in North Carolina to
Speaker 1: ensure that damage is repaired promptly as promptly as possible, um,
Speaker 1: and that the family is not exposed to know any
Speaker 1: kind of harm like mold. Now, if you were living
Speaker 1: at say Camp Lejeune, which um, they have a really
Speaker 1: big more problem there be well they had a more
Speaker 1: problem before the storm, but now it's even worse. I
Speaker 1: actually stood under the ceiling of one of the Marine
Speaker 1: Corps families as it was essentially about the cave in
Speaker 1: over my head at Thanksgiving this year, and that family
Speaker 1: has no recourse. They've gone to Jazz, They've gone to
Speaker 1: their health and providers. They gone, they went to the
Speaker 1: other healthy provider because there's actually too on Campbell Jun's
Speaker 1: and they told her that they couldn't give her a home.
Speaker 1: There was no home. Um, they went to their command.
Speaker 1: The command said, look, you know, there's not a lot
Speaker 1: we can do. There's there's no control within the command
Speaker 1: element of power for even you know, Colonel's just saying, hey, look,
Speaker 1: you need to fix this. There's no accountability. And and
Speaker 1: it's not to the detriment of the military, like it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily their fault. These commanders at these bubbles, they
Speaker 1: didn't write these contracts. They're they're just trying to run
Speaker 1: a command just like everybody else is. They're they're trying
Speaker 1: to fight us seventeen year long war, just like everybody
Speaker 1: else in the military, and they just don't have the
Speaker 1: time or the researchers or the power to address some
Speaker 1: of these small arm was not really a small housing problem,
Speaker 1: but like the families who whose group was keeping and
Speaker 1: they had three small children in our home and I
Speaker 1: could hear their coffee, I could see the mold growing
Speaker 1: out of the ceiling. I mean when you're standing under that.
Speaker 1: I've never really been exposed to mold, but I left
Speaker 1: there after an hour in our house with like struggling
Speaker 1: to breathe and not even kidding. I mean, the black
Speaker 1: mold issue is so serious. I mean, I was working
Speaker 1: on this TV show a year ago and there's this
Speaker 1: um it was actually uh Nicola Tesla's laboratory, and we're
Speaker 1: all excited to like go inside it and finally see it,
Speaker 1: and they're like, who WHOA stop right there, there's black
Speaker 1: mold in that place, and you can't go in there
Speaker 1: unless you're wearing like in the military we call mop
Speaker 1: mop level four, like the full plastic body suit and
Speaker 1: the gas mask, and like that's how serious a black
Speaker 1: mold is. I mean absolutely, I mean stachybotrs is is
Speaker 1: not a joke. And we so we've had some testing
Speaker 1: done um in some of the houses acrost the nation,
Speaker 1: and we have found elements um of stacky batras um
Speaker 1: penatilla and asked for jealous, asked for jealous. These are
Speaker 1: all different types of funguses, right, correct, Yeah, there's different
Speaker 1: types of mold, right, and stacky is the stacky is
Speaker 1: actually what is considered true black mold. Penstilla that's for
Speaker 1: jealous is another kind of mold, and it's also a
Speaker 1: toxic mold which causes um breathing issues and asthma relative
Speaker 1: symptoms and um. Right, So that's what I heard in
Speaker 1: my house, That's what I had, and I think it
Speaker 1: was uh like eight times with the EP I would
Speaker 1: deem you know, safe environment. Do we know how many
Speaker 1: homes this one guy owns. Well, let's get let's get it.
Speaker 1: Let's get into that because the next thing I wanted
Speaker 1: to bring up, and I've actually brought up an aspect
Speaker 1: of this I think on the podcast before with a FEES,
Speaker 1: is that it's interesting that there's just this assumption we
Speaker 1: all make that a FEES is some sort of military
Speaker 1: institution and it's not. It is privately owned it's a
Speaker 1: it's a private corporation for profit. Okay. Um, there's an
Speaker 1: assumption that I would have made up until I read
Speaker 1: this Reuter's article that I'm Post housing is owned by
Speaker 1: the US military, and that is definitely not the In
Speaker 1: most cases, that's not the case. I mean maybe in
Speaker 1: some um so, I definitely was hoping that you two
Speaker 1: could elaborate on this gentleman John Pascern and his involvement
Speaker 1: with on post Housing. You know, I just want to
Speaker 1: preface that with I don't have a problem with people
Speaker 1: being rich. You know what, if you want to live
Speaker 1: in an Irish mansion, that's cool, you do you I
Speaker 1: mean capitalism one oh one, right. But the problem that
Speaker 1: I have with this, and it's not just discern but
Speaker 1: it's with any anyone who is capitalizing off the backs
Speaker 1: of military families and really took their detriment to help
Speaker 1: them thinking economic fabilities. Um, I'm not cool with that.
Speaker 1: If you're going to live in a mansion with a
Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollar taxidermy alligator snakes and sort of thing,
Speaker 1: and then I'm standing, you know, I'm going to m
Speaker 1: meet and I'm looking at lead peeling off, you know,
Speaker 1: or um, mold coming from a ceiling or ceilings caving in.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but that's not okay. That is that is
Speaker 1: not what capitalism is about. So you know the problem
Speaker 1: that I have with them is that what we've noticed
Speaker 1: that I'm not totally sure that I guess in my opinion,
Speaker 1: I don't really think they care. He even said it
Speaker 1: was recession group and some of his um interviews. You know,
Speaker 1: this is a recession frous industry. It's a guaranteed contract,
Speaker 1: is a guaranteed revenue stream, and we're really held hostage.
Speaker 1: And you might say, hey, you know what, just move out,
Speaker 1: Just move out, what's your problem? Just move out? Or
Speaker 1: if you're an E three and you have two small children,
Speaker 1: you know, finding the first and last month's deposit or
Speaker 1: even first in deposit to move out can be really expensive.
Speaker 1: And once you're once all your items have been exposed
Speaker 1: to mold, you're talking thousands of dollars to replace all
Speaker 1: of your stuff because you can't take it with you.
Speaker 1: Not corus charge you to break your lease. Right there,
Speaker 1: are you know, pervasive health concerns in your home and
Speaker 1: you're penalized for doing that, or you have these exorbitant
Speaker 1: move out charges, so they just kind of pile it
Speaker 1: off pilot on, pilot on, and it's really not feasible
Speaker 1: for a lot of these families here leaving on bases
Speaker 1: an economic need, it's not a privilege, it's not a right.
Speaker 1: It is an economic need to make sure our sports
Speaker 1: that are ready to fight. Right. And as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: I mean a young soldier a lot of times doesn't
Speaker 1: have a lot of money in the bank. Um doesn't
Speaker 1: have a lot of credit. Maybe he has or she
Speaker 1: has bad credit. Uh. And you know the military has
Speaker 1: offered housing to our troops. Uh So I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to elaborate on that a little bit. Sure, right,
Speaker 1: And so I'm looking at the numbers here for Mr
Speaker 1: Percern and Corpius is acquired control of twenties six thousand
Speaker 1: houses and apartments across thirteen military bases. And this contract
Speaker 1: that he was given is for fifty years five zero, yes, fifty.
Speaker 1: So do you do you think some of these families
Speaker 1: are unaware of what you guys are aware of the
Speaker 1: black mold in their homes and it's you know, two
Speaker 1: way it now, Yeah, I think that sometimes, Well, there's
Speaker 1: there's a mix of things. First of all, they may
Speaker 1: not realize that there's an issue, or you know, maybe
Speaker 1: they don't realize that black mold is as scary as
Speaker 1: it really is, or maybe the bis infestations there. You know,
Speaker 1: they're expecting these private contractors to make sure that, you know,
Speaker 1: they're habitable, and so when the private contractor comes in
Speaker 1: and says, oh, we close that up, you're okay. Um,
Speaker 1: they don't realize that there really is a problem. And
Speaker 1: only that even if they do, where do they go?
Speaker 1: They've gone to Jack. Jack said, hey, we're in a
Speaker 1: conflict of interest position. We can't help you. Go to
Speaker 1: the command. Sometimes the commands are retaliating, hopefully not some
Speaker 1: of them are. Um, how do they retaliate against the
Speaker 1: soldier who makes a complaint. So sometimes the PPVs will
Speaker 1: call the commands and tell the commands one story that
Speaker 1: isn't necessarily happening, and the soldier marine or sayler will
Speaker 1: get in trouble. And I have actually fit rep documentation
Speaker 1: of um a sailor and some marines getting in trouble
Speaker 1: with their commands because the PPV called their command and
Speaker 1: that goes on their fit rep. Yes, that is outrageous, YEP.
Speaker 1: Just so for listeners who understand, a fit REP is
Speaker 1: like what we would call in the navy. Uh, that's
Speaker 1: what in the army we would call like an n
Speaker 1: c o e R. It's an evaluation report, like your
Speaker 1: yearly evaluation report, and that's been that's what your promotions
Speaker 1: are based on. Essentially, it's saying did you do a
Speaker 1: good job or do you do a bad job? And
Speaker 1: so what's happening here is that soldiers or sailors or
Speaker 1: marines in this case are making a complaint about what
Speaker 1: a corporation is doing on post and that complaint is
Speaker 1: then being put on their official military paperwork that impacts
Speaker 1: their career. That's right, That's exactly right. And not to
Speaker 1: mention the culture of fear of retaliation. We we did
Speaker 1: um some of these forms over the weekend over here
Speaker 1: in Norder, Virginia where I live, and we had families
Speaker 1: that came in that worked with high level officials and
Speaker 1: they were like, well, we don't want our husband to tell,
Speaker 1: you know, the high level officials what's going on, because
Speaker 1: we're afraid of retaliation or we're going to hurt your career.
Speaker 1: Can you scary? Could? Uh? Lee? Why don't I toss
Speaker 1: this over to you. Could you talk a little bit
Speaker 1: more about John Pascern and who this guy is because
Speaker 1: I read in the Reuters article in order to acquire
Speaker 1: this fifty year contract, he flew to Fort Bragg with
Speaker 1: his congressman on his private jet. Yes. Yeah, so that
Speaker 1: means that to me was when I felt like, well,
Speaker 1: there's just so many levels to this that, you know,
Speaker 1: how am I as one army spouse, you know, supposed
Speaker 1: to be able to handle this and take this on. Um,
Speaker 1: it's just really really disheartening to see the amount of
Speaker 1: money that this fan has put up to for donations
Speaker 1: and this typically to people who are on the Arms
Speaker 1: Services Committee to get this this contract essentially. Um, it's
Speaker 1: just it's really disheartening to see that our homes on
Speaker 1: these bases are kind of pay for play almost. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's hard not to look at and see
Speaker 1: this as like some sort of like sharecropper arrangement where
Speaker 1: you know the I mean, as you say, it's it's
Speaker 1: a recession proof contract, but I mean it's also like
Speaker 1: you're strong arming these soldiers. They have nowhere else to go,
Speaker 1: they have to pay you. So there is is it
Speaker 1: there b a h that is going into what's the
Speaker 1: corvious group. Right. So this is another aspect that I
Speaker 1: think really needs to be changed, is that when you
Speaker 1: live on post your entire BH is deducted from your paycheck.
Speaker 1: You don't even see it. Yeah. So essentially, when I
Speaker 1: was through all these issues for a polk, I couldn't
Speaker 1: you know, say well, I'm you know, not going to
Speaker 1: pay a quarter of my rent until this issue is fixed,
Speaker 1: because it's literally it's literally taken right out of my
Speaker 1: husband's paycheck. He doesn't even see it. It goes from
Speaker 1: the U. S. Treasury Department into the corveous group, correct, correct?
Speaker 1: So I think in the writers are Full, they mentioned
Speaker 1: how to certain didn't have to front any money because
Speaker 1: they knew that he was going to be getting all
Speaker 1: of these you know, housing stipends from the soldiers. Mm hmm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So Corbius is shielded from a risk um. In another way,
Speaker 1: it's he's not obligated to repay nearly one point nine
Speaker 1: billion in bank loans. It's military housing projects have received
Speaker 1: the loans. Like salaries of most CORBEUS workers on bases
Speaker 1: are paid off from the housing rental stipend, soldiers and
Speaker 1: airmen received from the federal government, so it's all margin
Speaker 1: for him. Correct, yep. So when you see, you know,
Speaker 1: the side by side pictures, so I felt were very
Speaker 1: powerful in this article. It's hard like I had definitely
Speaker 1: a visceral or spots in my body thinking of my
Speaker 1: child who can barely get through a karate class and
Speaker 1: without using it his inhaler and this man flying out
Speaker 1: some you know insta famous. I don't think what his
Speaker 1: interior designer who designs for the Kardashians and his hashtag
Speaker 1: on you know, John Piscern's one of his many tables
Speaker 1: is hashtag my table is bigger than you more in
Speaker 1: Lawrence Buillyard, Yeah, I mean it's it's infuriating, and it's
Speaker 1: really kind of a scene. Yeah, it looks like something
Speaker 1: from the Roman Empire. Yeah, exactly, you know, and really
Speaker 1: it's kind of garbage too, because we're having a hard
Speaker 1: time figuring out in the contracts where the recipe for
Speaker 1: health and safety was supposed to happen From the army side,
Speaker 1: Um well really not just for me. From the d
Speaker 1: D side, you know, who was it was responsible for
Speaker 1: the oversighting enforcement, closing the gaps for health and safety
Speaker 1: issues and it doesn't look like anybody put anything in
Speaker 1: there for it. Just check the balances for financial viability
Speaker 1: of the project. You're saying that the maintenance issues weren't
Speaker 1: adequately addressed in the contract. I'm not sure there were
Speaker 1: health and safety balanced checks and balances in the contract.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately a lot of the contracts are redacted, so
Speaker 1: really heavily redacted. Under what's the justification for redacting a
Speaker 1: housing contract? Proprietary? It's proprietary and it um it can
Speaker 1: be a conflict within the market. If another UM, you know,
Speaker 1: like Lincoln Military Housing, got ahold of it, they could
Speaker 1: be a competitor. This is this is like one of
Speaker 1: those confluences between industry and government. Like you can't buy
Speaker 1: that kind of loyalty. It has to come from love,
Speaker 1: right exactly. It's really incredible. It's incredible, and you're let lye.
Speaker 1: You were even saying that your husband was on an
Speaker 1: inhaler at one points, and this is a this is
Speaker 1: a grown man in good physical shape. Yes, yes, so,
Speaker 1: I mean it was just it was pitiful. My neighbors
Speaker 1: were like, oh, like there he is the black lung
Speaker 1: over there. You know, if you'd go up to UM,
Speaker 1: what is it called med med check in the morning. Right,
Speaker 1: he was on like heavy, heavy, serious like costs suppressant.
Speaker 1: I mean, he couldn't even make it through a briefing
Speaker 1: without you know, just you know, having these awful colbum.
Speaker 1: Imagine what then does to a five year old kid.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I know, I know. So we were actually
Speaker 1: when we were in Polk, my husband, Um, they do
Speaker 1: lot of rotations out in town throughout the Louisiana So
Speaker 1: I when he was there, I would pack up the
Speaker 1: kids and we would go there and stay in that
Speaker 1: hotel because everyone was a lot healthier when we were
Speaker 1: away from that house. It was safer in the hotel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you make I mean kind of getting into
Speaker 1: a little bit of where things are now. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: first off, what do you make of uh Pacerns lawyer
Speaker 1: responding to the Reuter's article that this is all just
Speaker 1: like drama. You know, you guys are just busy body,
Speaker 1: army wives, you know that kind of thing. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: not busy body. I have a full time job and
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the military. First of all, um,
Speaker 1: that pays, you know, for my bill, because the Memary
Speaker 1: Corps certainly doesn't. Um. But the other side is that
Speaker 1: they have said things like we're bloggers and and things
Speaker 1: like that as much. You know, I am not a blogger, okay,
Speaker 1: and there's nothing wrong with a blogger. It's like amazing
Speaker 1: military stuff. Bloggers that are gangs. I mean, they're awesome.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, I don't I
Speaker 1: spend my time lobbying on the hill outside of my
Speaker 1: job because I really believe in this issue, and I
Speaker 1: really believe and have sees that it's a pervasive problem.
Speaker 1: I have flown all over this country looking at houses
Speaker 1: on my own dollar because I know for a fact
Speaker 1: if there is a problem. So you know what his
Speaker 1: lawyer can do with that little comment, You know what
Speaker 1: he can do with it. Well, you know he said
Speaker 1: that Reuters is using more tabloid style and you know,
Speaker 1: shocking a Reuters really, I think least bias the opportunity, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we welcome the opportunity to focus on the real issues,
Speaker 1: like how our nation can provide better support for those
Speaker 1: who certain So great, let's do it. Let's have this
Speaker 1: conversation with them and you since you two are kind
Speaker 1: of in the belly of the beast. As far as
Speaker 1: dealing with this issue. I mean, have you seen any improvement?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think in the article, I mean, they
Speaker 1: pledged themselves to saying, you know, we're going to do better.
Speaker 1: We're going to do better. Yeah. Right, That's what like
Speaker 1: the Military Housing said too when they got sued in
Speaker 1: Norfolk and NUS but A thousand and eleven or whatever
Speaker 1: it was, because the more problems there, they said the
Speaker 1: same thing. And it's the same pervasive issue. Same thing
Speaker 1: with Clark, same thing with Balfour, Baity, all of them.
Speaker 1: I'm calling them all out because I've seen those houses,
Speaker 1: and I've talked to those families and I've heard their children,
Speaker 1: and it is despicable what they are doing to military families.
Speaker 1: It is garbage. And this dude has a fifty year,
Speaker 1: zero fifty year contract, so I mean, what's I mean?
Speaker 1: He knows that contract is not going to get canceled
Speaker 1: without some significant, significant legal action taking place. So I mean,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have any incentive to really give a ship.
Speaker 1: He doesn't, and I don't he does. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: never heard of him going to visit these faces. Have
Speaker 1: you crystal for his right now? That didn't didn't They
Speaker 1: put out a response where they were talking about the
Speaker 1: carpet at for a pole coup that had biohazard on it.
Speaker 1: They would just pulled out, sanitize it, clean it, stretch
Speaker 1: and put it back in. You guys see that article
Speaker 1: that Uh huh, I don't think that. Yeah, there's another
Speaker 1: article response. Um, I think they put through It was
Speaker 1: local local news there. Yeah, they said if there's a
Speaker 1: biohazard on the carpet, and you know, biohazard could be
Speaker 1: anything biological. But what they do is they pulled out,
Speaker 1: they sanitize it, quote unquote, and then they just put
Speaker 1: it back in it. Would you want your child, your
Speaker 1: new baby crawling on that. That's where we're going to
Speaker 1: walk on biohazard carpet? If they likely charged the last
Speaker 1: person to replaced and probably didn't. Jack, did you ever
Speaker 1: live on base? Yes? I did at Fort Benning, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I was that it was um it was geez heading
Speaker 1: out to I'm trying to think of the gate. It's
Speaker 1: one of the back gates. But I was kind of
Speaker 1: the last person living there. Actually it was kind of
Speaker 1: a ghost town. Um. I was a single soldier and
Speaker 1: had a roommate and it was they were condemning and
Speaker 1: knocking down all those houses and probably they threw up
Speaker 1: corveous holmes after I left. Um, but yeah, it was
Speaker 1: it was infested with cockroaches the size of my hand. Um.
Speaker 1: But you know I was twenty two, you know, single guys,
Speaker 1: so you know you deal with these things. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that should never be the norm. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it shouldn't. If I had kids, I'd be freaking out
Speaker 1: of privatizing the barracks. Yes, there is a pilot where
Speaker 1: they have started privatizing barricks. So the barracks will be
Speaker 1: falling under our purview as well once they start that
Speaker 1: privatization process and actually already fallen my purview because you know,
Speaker 1: we don't want to forget about our single men and
Speaker 1: women who are living in barracks that are garbage to
Speaker 1: It just comes at a different possitive money for now.
Speaker 1: But there is a pilot to privatize the barracks. That
Speaker 1: is wild. I mean I'm not like some kind of
Speaker 1: you know, Leninist or something here, but I mean I
Speaker 1: think that the military should be the military. I don't
Speaker 1: think it should be run by corporations. I think just
Speaker 1: everybody would agree with you on that, I hope. So
Speaker 1: the military has never been, you know, like a privatized entity.
Speaker 1: So now, and it's when they're you're fighting a seventeen
Speaker 1: year long war, Okay, I mean they don't have time
Speaker 1: to manage housing. So I get it. I get what
Speaker 1: a commander. But but they do have the government housing
Speaker 1: offices on base. The Army calls it our CI, the
Speaker 1: Marine Corps calls it g h O. The Air Force
Speaker 1: causes something different. But their government housing offices, and they're
Speaker 1: paid for by the branch of service. Now, if they
Speaker 1: could fund those, give them more funding, give them more staff,
Speaker 1: address the contract gaps so that we can give these
Speaker 1: folks more power to enforce help and safety and economic um,
Speaker 1: you know, standards and take you know, managing managing the
Speaker 1: stuff out of the command's hands except for you exceptions,
Speaker 1: you know what. That's what they're there for. That is
Speaker 1: their job. On the base, you have a government housing office,
Speaker 1: you know, fund those guys, give them some money, give
Speaker 1: them some power, give them a bit like be let
Speaker 1: them be the advocate for family. But there's like two
Speaker 1: people in those offices, for like, are both of you
Speaker 1: still living in this home? We still in Oh no,
Speaker 1: you're living off posts now, right, Yeah, I am off
Speaker 1: post that the house was two posts a go. But
Speaker 1: my son is still dealing with the issues. In fact,
Speaker 1: we have to go get another uh skin prick tests
Speaker 1: for him in the next few weeks. And I mean
Speaker 1: that for a five year old is traumatic and he
Speaker 1: that's you know, one of my issues is that everywhere
Speaker 1: we go, we kind of start from square one again,
Speaker 1: you know, because this new specialist will want to run
Speaker 1: his own tests, and which I completely understand, but watching
Speaker 1: my five year old sit there through this, it's like,
Speaker 1: really pitiful. I wonder if fish darn would let his
Speaker 1: daughter sleep in a room with mold growing on the ceiling.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I doubt it. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I found very interesting. My husband and I last night
Speaker 1: and watched his interview that he did with a local
Speaker 1: news station right around the time he acquired this contract,
Speaker 1: and he said, um, he sees this as a vocation.
Speaker 1: I thought that was just very interesting. This is his
Speaker 1: vocation now, so he gets to use this. Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: taking care of these military family, these I'm doing such
Speaker 1: great work. But the reality is that he saw this
Speaker 1: as a lucrative business and he has the fifty year
Speaker 1: contract that is through iron Clad and his families in
Speaker 1: these homes are I hate that to use the word,
Speaker 1: but like some of them are really suffering. Ye, it's
Speaker 1: behaving like a slumboard. Basically, Um, he is a slumblourd slumboard.
Speaker 1: Get rich. What I mean just yesterday someone was posting
Speaker 1: there wasn't a we were in a Corbeaus house and
Speaker 1: there was raw sewage backing up onto their property. What
Speaker 1: are some of the things if you if you two
Speaker 1: were to go point by point, what are some of
Speaker 1: the things you would like to see happen to fix
Speaker 1: the situation with on post housing the first time, like
Speaker 1: to the lifted service members or their spouses. UM stock
Speaker 1: the allotment for housing to put down nescrow and it
Speaker 1: needs to go through a local judge. I don't want
Speaker 1: command to have control over whether they think is justified
Speaker 1: or not. I think there needs to be an independent
Speaker 1: agency UM, whether it's Jack or whoever UM to let
Speaker 1: the family stop their allotments for housing and kill and
Speaker 1: put in an escrow. Just put it over an escrow.
Speaker 1: They won't be able to touch it UM until the
Speaker 1: housing problems are fixed. I think once you stop the
Speaker 1: revenue stream, you start getting their attention. And I think
Speaker 1: it would be a big stop because there's a lot
Speaker 1: of there's seven hundred thousand homes across the military that
Speaker 1: are houses, you know, and I suspect very conservatively that
Speaker 1: at least ten or of them have problems at the
Speaker 1: least a hundred homes UM at ratio. You know, what's
Speaker 1: stop the funding, Let them stop there b a h. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you'll see things change right quick if that happened. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: what do you think? Yeah? I think that, I mean
Speaker 1: that is would be the best case scenario, I think
Speaker 1: in the situation, and there needs to be because there
Speaker 1: needs to be some way to hold um, these companies
Speaker 1: accountable for the living conditions UM. And I think that
Speaker 1: if one of my issues was right after I left,
Speaker 1: another family moved into my house, the problem was never fixed,
Speaker 1: right like expanding SACRA you know at the s c
Speaker 1: R A expanding SACRA to address privatizic housing. And in
Speaker 1: the ethical business the unethical business practices that they have
Speaker 1: what's economic issues sacra UM the Soldiers and Sailor's Release
Speaker 1: Act right, okay, service what is it called? I was
Speaker 1: called sacra Ahn't isn't it about? Isn't it grant debt
Speaker 1: forgiveness to people who join the military. No sacra. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of things that are in sacra. You have
Speaker 1: things about your some of your can it right? Breaking
Speaker 1: a lead? Um, There's there's tons of stuff in sacra UM,
Speaker 1: and I think that if we expanded that on a
Speaker 1: state and federal level where these installations are, then it
Speaker 1: might benefit the families as well and give them more
Speaker 1: options in a state court. What about the maintenance issue?
Speaker 1: Like if if a family in one of these houses
Speaker 1: makes a call and says, he, look, my my kids
Speaker 1: are coughing, my my husband's coughing, you know, we got,
Speaker 1: we got there's something wrong with this house. What's what
Speaker 1: should change from the maintenance side of things? Like what
Speaker 1: should that solution look like? I would say they need
Speaker 1: to have a certified mold inspectors licensed within the state
Speaker 1: M So where could people go to help with this issue?
Speaker 1: Is there any any action that people can take? So
Speaker 1: what I've pushed family to do is UM we have
Speaker 1: the Facebook page is called UM Safe Military Housing Initiative. UM.
Speaker 1: They also need to you know, if you're having housing
Speaker 1: issues now, you really need to make sure that you
Speaker 1: document everything very very thoroughly, every phone call, pictures, time
Speaker 1: you spoke the coruct Yes, and it's a pain. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you it's a pain, and I get it.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, if you ever decide to
Speaker 1: sue these people, you'll have the documentation if you have
Speaker 1: been true and harm by military by these military housing
Speaker 1: quote unquote partners I like to call contractors. I don't
Speaker 1: believe their partners, um, But they need to make sure
Speaker 1: the document everything. They need to make sure they go
Speaker 1: to the proper channels, going through your government housing offices,
Speaker 1: going through your command elements. Should at least let them
Speaker 1: know what's going on. Don't give any of these people
Speaker 1: and out, don't give them a way to not avoid culpability.
Speaker 1: Has anyone sued corvous yet, um, Not yet to my
Speaker 1: knowledge now and not to my knowledge. See a lot
Speaker 1: of the times these things are not always publicized because
Speaker 1: they don't get a jury trial. They say they're settled
Speaker 1: outside out of court. But I was to go back
Speaker 1: to my original question of what people could do. I
Speaker 1: just mean for the average listener. I mean, because we
Speaker 1: have broad listener base of people who are either former
Speaker 1: military or civilians like myself who very pro military cred
Speaker 1: and would would want to help out. I mean, is
Speaker 1: there anything that they could do. It's you know, right
Speaker 1: to your congressman. Mm hmm, Well can you join us,
Speaker 1: join our page, join us, help us, you know on
Speaker 1: the hill. Make sure that you're writing your congressman. If
Speaker 1: you're local to an area and you still have based
Speaker 1: access and um, if you can help a military family,
Speaker 1: like by going in and if you're say you're a
Speaker 1: contractoring and you happen to know that there's an issue. Um,
Speaker 1: as a family called you because they have mold or
Speaker 1: collapse ceiling, you know, don't repair it, but just go
Speaker 1: in and be a witness. I mean because a lot
Speaker 1: of these families don't have these outside resources like mold
Speaker 1: inspectors and contractors who know how to build things. They're
Speaker 1: just relying on with the man and what the PPV
Speaker 1: is telling them. Um, you know, join us in in
Speaker 1: advocating for families. I mean, the more support that we have,
Speaker 1: the better honest we are, we all will be. And
Speaker 1: I mean really honestly, we're stronger together. We can't let
Speaker 1: these guys mess with our family, and our military is
Speaker 1: our family. John Pascern also is based out of Rhode Island. Um,
Speaker 1: and his what was his congressman's name that he flew
Speaker 1: down to a break? Oh, Jack Read, Jaack Senator Jack Red.
Speaker 1: Senator Jack Read. So he flew down on his private
Speaker 1: jet with his senator to get this contract. So if
Speaker 1: you want to write letters, you know, maybe shoot some,
Speaker 1: especially if you're in Rhode Island. Yeah, and he's rank
Speaker 1: member US asked as well the Senate on Services Committee,
Speaker 1: Jack Read its committee after that story came out. Oh,
Speaker 1: what do you say? It was an interesting conversation. Um.
Speaker 1: He kept saying essentially that, um, you know, he basically
Speaker 1: wanted to hold them accountable. That the that the flying
Speaker 1: of concerned down to sort brag was before he was
Speaker 1: a senator. He is prior services, and he cares about
Speaker 1: the military families. UM, just really essentially that. And I
Speaker 1: just kind of took him to tack on what he
Speaker 1: was going to do and what we were going to
Speaker 1: do next. Yeah, I mean that's cool, Jack Read. But
Speaker 1: I do push ups until you're not fucked up anymore,
Speaker 1: you know, exactly exactly. Yeah. I think a local TV
Speaker 1: reporter did interview Senator Read and when asked if he
Speaker 1: helped John for SERN to get that contract at all,
Speaker 1: he said, not not that I recall. I recall, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like Bill Clinton. I did not have fractual relations
Speaker 1: with that woman exactly. You know, um Corby is I
Speaker 1: don't think it owing for Bragg as well, and I
Speaker 1: think own for Rag. But they're housing on four Brags
Speaker 1: there too that they're Um, I think they're getting an
Speaker 1: eighty one million dollar contract. I asked jack 's office
Speaker 1: the bull. They said, we don't have any knowledge of that,
Speaker 1: and I said, well, that's unreal. So I'm hearing yeah,
Speaker 1: right in four week I was going to allude to,
Speaker 1: you know, the problem like Fort Bragg has some major issues,
Speaker 1: but throughout four years, I think starting in two thousand
Speaker 1: seven to two thousand eleven, twelve children under the age
Speaker 1: of two died in military homes and one housing area.
Speaker 1: And I do believe three in one home. Are you
Speaker 1: talking Are you talking about like SIDS? But statistics, that's
Speaker 1: what they're saying, right. If if it's there's that great
Speaker 1: statistical probability of infants dying in the same home, I mean,
Speaker 1: the the actors the odds that there's an environmental factor
Speaker 1: escalaged drastically. Oh absolutely, I got to be how you
Speaker 1: came out and said that was statistically probable, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm a banker and I can tell you
Speaker 1: that's not probably probable. That's well outside the statistic probability
Speaker 1: of three babies dying. And what home in a very
Speaker 1: short amount of time makes sense. Yeah, it's it's terrible.
Speaker 1: And to my knowledge, just from what I've heard, is
Speaker 1: that that home they do not have people living in anymore.
Speaker 1: I heard they tore down the whole housing area. But
Speaker 1: we're supposed to get to Bragged. I want to go
Speaker 1: see for myself. UM. We are going to be doing
Speaker 1: some more forums, hopefully in Bragg and Benning. I'm going
Speaker 1: to California this weekend. There's a Military housing forum UM
Speaker 1: at the Oceanside Library this weekend. UM that I will
Speaker 1: be at. There will be attorneys there outside attorneys to
Speaker 1: be you know, trying to help in their capacity to
Speaker 1: answer questions. UM. So you know, we are trying to
Speaker 1: give families other resources to you know, try to address
Speaker 1: short term and long term solutions. UM. You know, get
Speaker 1: on the legal fund and Jack, I think you could
Speaker 1: attest to this that you know a lot of the
Speaker 1: commanders have been coming out and saying, well, we have
Speaker 1: these open office hours, so you know, anyone can come
Speaker 1: to that, Like, do you do you believe that you
Speaker 1: know an E three, you know E four would go
Speaker 1: in to see this base commander. No, I don't play
Speaker 1: about house. I don't. And I think that even if
Speaker 1: you did, you would be blown off. I think if
Speaker 1: you were at E seven or an E eight you
Speaker 1: went in there, they'd tell you to kick rocks. Um
Speaker 1: and you deal with it. You're an E what's your problem? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've seen over and over again when guys try to
Speaker 1: blow the whistle internally and try to fix things internally
Speaker 1: and they get retaliated against um. You know, we're seeing
Speaker 1: it right now with them. They're they're chaptering out those
Speaker 1: two n C b M who they're being blamed for
Speaker 1: a letter that was sent over the internal comm email system.
Speaker 1: They had nothing to do with this letter complaining about
Speaker 1: special forces training, and they're being kicked out of the
Speaker 1: military just because they knew the guy and because they
Speaker 1: were at the town hall meeting that the commander had
Speaker 1: where these issues were raised. And so I mean it's
Speaker 1: them for them to say there's no retaliation. I mean
Speaker 1: that that's it's bullshit and everyone knows it. Um, and
Speaker 1: you correct me if I'm my brain cells are firing
Speaker 1: wrong here. But you guys are also working with Jim Moriarty.
Speaker 1: That's great. We I've spoken with Jim before. You know, um,
Speaker 1: you know sadly about you know, his son being killed
Speaker 1: in Jordan's. Um And if people who listen to this
Speaker 1: podcast probably remember when the gate guard at Jordan's opened
Speaker 1: fire and he killed several Green Berets and one of
Speaker 1: them was Jim's son, um. And and Jim Moriarty fought
Speaker 1: tooth and nail to make sure the truth came out
Speaker 1: about what happened there. Um. Really brave guy. And and
Speaker 1: so I'm really glad that he's working with with you
Speaker 1: guys on this. He's a lawyer, by the way, isn't
Speaker 1: a Oh he's I mean he's great. I mean connected
Speaker 1: with him while we were in California and you know,
Speaker 1: working on something different. And when writers came to me
Speaker 1: and asked if I would be willing to step with them,
Speaker 1: I was like, we just check in and see what
Speaker 1: Jim thinks about this. And he read the articles that
Speaker 1: they had previously done and he was like, I need
Speaker 1: to get involved in this. This is not right. I'm
Speaker 1: going to help in whatever capacity I can. That's great,
Speaker 1: and he has, he's been amazing and in doing that,
Speaker 1: We've also got some other attorneys along the way you
Speaker 1: have a vested interest in this, who are prior service
Speaker 1: or reserve or a military stouth attorney. We all have
Speaker 1: a dog in the fight, and we genuinely care about families.
Speaker 1: And like I said, you know, um, no one's making
Speaker 1: money off of this. I'm not making any money off
Speaker 1: of this. I paid for my own Like well, John
Speaker 1: starts making money off of this, making money off do
Speaker 1: you think they want lots of money he could buy uh,
Speaker 1: you know what is an Irish estate with his own
Speaker 1: private golf course. So he's doing pretty well. By the
Speaker 1: biggest to you mention, don't get it twistedly, it's too
Speaker 1: many Okay Later, thank you both so much for coming
Speaker 1: on the podcast today. Um, is there anything else that
Speaker 1: we failed to get to? Any questions I failed to
Speaker 1: ask that that you think should be brought up before
Speaker 1: we before we go, I know, and spend a message
Speaker 1: to the listeners that you know what. We know it's
Speaker 1: scary and we know it's tough, but if you are
Speaker 1: active duty and you are, however having housing problems, please
Speaker 1: stand up and say something. You can reach out to me,
Speaker 1: you can reach out to we. You know, please say something,
Speaker 1: and you know, let's do the right thing together. Let's
Speaker 1: try to help we did you want to say something?
Speaker 1: Kind of pick yeah, piggyback of thought a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think so many times the American public sees um
Speaker 1: just kind of like porny love is there with you know,
Speaker 1: soldiers coming home and you know how wonderful it is.
Speaker 1: But in reality, this is what our living conditions are alike. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, not everyone, but there are you know, more
Speaker 1: than I should be going through this. And just as
Speaker 1: much as you can write to your congressman, like just
Speaker 1: we just want people to be aware of what's going
Speaker 1: on in order to get this um fixed. And I
Speaker 1: also wanted to just do a little brief um blurb
Speaker 1: about the Station Foundation because that's okay, yeah, of course, Jack, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I just got back from a week in Montana
Speaker 1: with fellow Soft Buses and this organization, the Station Foundation.
Speaker 1: They're just doing such wonderful things for a community. Um.
Speaker 1: They it's a couple they were the husband was in
Speaker 1: the one sixf and when he got out, he saw
Speaker 1: the need for just kind of these guys to come
Speaker 1: back and get back with family and and so they
Speaker 1: started this program out in Montana and it is so
Speaker 1: great to just unplug and get with other soft families
Speaker 1: and you know, see every everyone's kind of going through
Speaker 1: the same thing. But the one great thing that they're
Speaker 1: doing as well is they do a program this summer
Speaker 1: for gold Star children. They fly gold Star children out
Speaker 1: with a member from their fallen dad's which I think
Speaker 1: is just incredible, and they celebrate his life together for
Speaker 1: that week out there among other thought kids. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it means so much to um, you know, the kids
Speaker 1: who often they didn't get to know their father the
Speaker 1: way they wanted to. And as they grow up, I've
Speaker 1: just found it means so much for them to like
Speaker 1: hear stories about their dad. Right, and for people who
Speaker 1: want to check that out. Lee, what's the organization again,
Speaker 1: It's called the Station Foundation. Got it will link to
Speaker 1: them and then uh and Lee also the Facebook group. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Crystal, Uh, what do you want to say about that?
Speaker 1: Really quick? Um? So that's College Safe UM, the Safe
Speaker 1: Military Housing Initiatives Facebook group also if you're having questions
Speaker 1: about future PCs station UM, check out PCs grades. They're
Speaker 1: building their database to include recent reviews of military housing
Speaker 1: and military housing and off face housing as well. Check
Speaker 1: out PCs grades. Also, we have support from the Trcare
Speaker 1: for Kids Coalition. They've been UM supporting us and and
Speaker 1: doing their best to lobby and hold you know, like
Speaker 1: the Department Health. I'm sorry, the Defense Health Agency is
Speaker 1: accountable UM. And we also, you know, if you're having
Speaker 1: housing issues, definitely reach out to MALA, which is the
Speaker 1: Military Officers Association of America as well. They've been UM
Speaker 1: pretty important and and listening to their members about housing
Speaker 1: issues as well. Absolutely. Yeah, I hope you know, combined, UM,
Speaker 1: you're able to get the ball rolling on something. I mean,
Speaker 1: just from my point of view, my my way person's
Speaker 1: point of view, it sounds like there needs to be
Speaker 1: a sweeping corruption investigation into this subject and honesty, the
Speaker 1: more people who are aware, you know, just as I'm
Speaker 1: doing this interview googling John Percern he paid. He definitely
Speaker 1: paints a very flowery picture of himself, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: he does a good job of presenting himself as someone
Speaker 1: who's helping military families to you know, potential investors in
Speaker 1: that type of thing. And you know, we have a
Speaker 1: wide audience obviously, Reuters has a wide audience. If more
Speaker 1: and more people hear the name John Pacerna associated with this,
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna have less people who who want
Speaker 1: to have anything to do with him is a part
Speaker 1: of their business, and I'm sure he relies on a
Speaker 1: lot of people and a lot of other businesses to
Speaker 1: do what he does. So you know, hopefully just smearing
Speaker 1: his name right fully will do some them. I'm not
Speaker 1: interested in smearing anyone, but you know, we're we're in
Speaker 1: an age where people get outraged about you know, Chick
Speaker 1: fil A, Gillette, Eddie Coolers, like all these companies. Like
Speaker 1: I don't really care about any of them, but this
Speaker 1: is this, in this case, Corfeus Group. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is something that's really wrong. But people should be angry,
Speaker 1: but in all honesty, be angry about that. Yeah, of
Speaker 1: course it's a it's a higher profile example. But if
Speaker 1: you look at what's happening with R Kelly right now,
Speaker 1: the fact that it's become such a big thing and
Speaker 1: all these women protesting R Kelly, there's finally record labels
Speaker 1: and artists who associated with it that are coming out
Speaker 1: and saying like I apologize for working with him, and
Speaker 1: you know his name is rightfully, you know negative right,
Speaker 1: and they should be exposed. And I think if the
Speaker 1: same thing happens, like if more people are just aware
Speaker 1: of who John Pascern is and they're aware of of
Speaker 1: Lee's story and crystals story, I think you're gonna have
Speaker 1: less people who want to work with someone like this. No,
Speaker 1: I agree, And at the end of the day, the
Speaker 1: entire MHPI program, the entire project, like you said, needs
Speaker 1: to have a sweetin investigation into how the money is
Speaker 1: being here and that's what we're actually relying on the
Speaker 1: g a O to do that right now as we speak.
Speaker 1: So Brian Lapour with the g a O has been
Speaker 1: tasked qu UM to make that happen. So, you know,
Speaker 1: support the g a O. If you're having issues of
Speaker 1: your housing, email your stuff to Brian lapor the g
Speaker 1: a O. That's the Government Accountability Office. That's right, Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: Lee Crystal, thank you so much for taking the time
Speaker 1: out of your day today to come on here and
Speaker 1: talk about this. UM. It's I think much more powerful
Speaker 1: for people to hear directly from you than for me
Speaker 1: to our, you know, write an article about this or
Speaker 1: just talk about it. Um, you know, hearing it directly
Speaker 1: from you, UM, I think it's going to really connect
Speaker 1: with a lot of listeners. Well, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for having us. Thank you, Thank you. If there are
Speaker 1: any developments in this case or anything happens that you
Speaker 1: guys like to come back on and talk about this again,
Speaker 1: please feel free to reach out to us. Thank you,
Speaker 1: We share will. Thank you so much. Thanks, and we'll
Speaker 1: have this up tomorrow. I'll email you as soon as
Speaker 1: I put it up. Thank you. Thanks, all right, thanks girls,
Speaker 1: all right by. Well, we haven't done a throat Punch
Speaker 1: of the Week in a very long time. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is what I was thinking, I think rightfully so
Speaker 1: throughout Punch of the Week, John Percern, This guy is
Speaker 1: truly a scumbag. I mean, I just don't know how
Speaker 1: you could sleep at night knowing that military children are,
Speaker 1: you know, going through issues like Asthman all this described,
Speaker 1: and you're able to just you know, not even give
Speaker 1: any credence to these huge concerns. Yeah, you know. I
Speaker 1: mean it's not like John Percern goes to sleep at
Speaker 1: night praying that black mold grows in the houses he
Speaker 1: built but haven't done anything. But yeah, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: do ship to fix it. That's that's really the problem. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so I think people need to be aware of this.
Speaker 1: And as they kind of hinted at, he's not the
Speaker 1: only one. There's definitely other Yeah. And you know the
Speaker 1: pictures have emerged from the barracks and the eight scond Airborne,
Speaker 1: the Marine Corps and stuff like this where the same thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, the barracks are just falling apart and soldiers
Speaker 1: living in these crappy conditions. So yeah, there, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a widespread issue across military installations. Yeah, throw a
Speaker 1: punch of the week, John Pascern if you want to
Speaker 1: look him up. I mean there's a lot out there, John, Uh,
Speaker 1: P I C. E. R and E. And you know,
Speaker 1: he does paint himself as a guy I'm helping military
Speaker 1: families and charitable and all that. But you know, something
Speaker 1: needs to be done about this, obviously, uh. And nothing
Speaker 1: is going to really be done until the people are
Speaker 1: aware enough to to get out there and have this
Speaker 1: I do something because this contract, as you said, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna. There would have to be something extremely egregious
Speaker 1: for this to be canceled, and I would think this
Speaker 1: is enough, but you know, what do I know but
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Speaker 1: that we have begun pretty uh pretty recently. I think
Speaker 1: this was an eye opening show. It's been great having
Speaker 1: both these women on. Yeah, I think as pretty powerful
Speaker 1: and very meaningful having Crystal and Lee on the show. Um,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad we could do it absolutely. I mean
Speaker 1: hopefully you guys are glad that we didn't do I
Speaker 1: don't know, uh this hour and a half on you
Speaker 1: know what everyone has been talking about on Twitter for
Speaker 1: the past three days, and this Native American guy and
Speaker 1: these Catholic school kids and that which has been analyzed
Speaker 1: from every angle imaginable, Like, I am so sick of
Speaker 1: hearing about this issue. And it turns out it's like
Speaker 1: the second any kind of controversy pops off in America.
Speaker 1: It's like everyone's a nine eleven truth or now and
Speaker 1: they're like doing this like amateur and like picture analysis
Speaker 1: and every thing. It's just sad though that I think
Speaker 1: anything racial in America is like so it's easy to
Speaker 1: react to. And I mean personally, what we've been talking
Speaker 1: about for the past hour, I'm way more outrage. There's more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is like meaningful discussion. Uh, it's important information. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just can't do the day to day outrage that
Speaker 1: low hanging fruit politics. It just isn't important. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: buying into the conspiracy that like social media was you know,
Speaker 1: created to distract us from real things going on. Because
Speaker 1: every you know, every day, it's the new outrage over
Speaker 1: some bullshit you know that really doesn't affect any of us.
Speaker 1: And look, I get the significance of it, but it's
Speaker 1: just I mean, the fact that we've discussed this to
Speaker 1: death for like three days on social media, it's where
Speaker 1: it's pretty sad. There's there's bigger things go. I was saying,
Speaker 1: we had last week everyone's up in arms over a
Speaker 1: freaking Gillette commercial. Yeah, like some razor blade company. Like,
Speaker 1: but you don't hear anything about this stuff, well except
Speaker 1: for Reuters who did this pretty important story. But otherwise
Speaker 1: you don't hear about corvia. Yeah, like why why aren't
Speaker 1: people outraged about that? And and as you've said before,
Speaker 1: I mean, unfortunately, this is not what people want to hear.
Speaker 1: I'm sure more people are clicking on the Jouette ad
Speaker 1: than clicking on this Reuter's article. And uh, I mean
Speaker 1: there's something to be said about it. Action does need
Speaker 1: to be taken about this, and I think if millions
Speaker 1: of people were outraged, we would see a change. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what Lee and Crystal were saying about, right,
Speaker 1: New York Congressman, and you know, to some extent um
Speaker 1: getting active on the subject. And I hate to use
Speaker 1: that word like awareness, It's like kind of cliche, but
Speaker 1: you know, you bring it to people's attention and enough
Speaker 1: eyeballs get on it, and you know then our our
Speaker 1: governments will eventually step in if we demanded of them.
Speaker 1: I would hope just also that like a major lossuit
Speaker 1: could happen like a class action loss, because I think
Speaker 1: it's the only way that a lot of act a
Speaker 1: lot of attention would be brought to this issue. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean that's why I'm glad you know someone like
Speaker 1: Jim Moriarty is working with them, because he's he's a
Speaker 1: smart guy and uh and he seems like he's a
Speaker 1: pretty tenacious person. Yeah. Yeah, something needs to be done,
Speaker 1: and I'd like to see this guy, in particular in
Speaker 1: the company go down. Um. Oh, also, a lot of
Speaker 1: you guys might happen to be a shot show. We're
Speaker 1: not that shot show right now. Some of our guys are,
Speaker 1: like Scott Whittner's a shot show. I think Eric Meisner. Um,
Speaker 1: if you're there, I believe there's a great club party happening. Uh.
Speaker 1: If you go to the Great Club Instagram, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you can find the details on that. It might be
Speaker 1: too late, but I'm not there, so I'm not keeping
Speaker 1: up with everything right now. Yeah, we'll have to have
Speaker 1: those guys on the load out room guys come on
Speaker 1: after the shot show much. It might be a good
Speaker 1: time to have them on and uh and discuss all that. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean that's really the place to be because you'll
Speaker 1: see the actual gear. It's hard to really convey gear audibly.
Speaker 1: I mean people want to see pictures of the stuff
Speaker 1: they do. Yeah, and video of the guys had range
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Speaker 1: the load outroom dot com now and I'm sure they're
Speaker 1: posting stuff on there every day, updates from the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're there with their laptops getting it done. Um. I
Speaker 1: wanted to mention this in the intro, but we just
Speaker 1: didn't have time. Really unfortunate news A base blown up
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan. Yeah, I think the latest number of casualties
Speaker 1: was a hundred and twenty six dead. It was a
Speaker 1: Afghan um NDS compound, which is their intelligence service. So
Speaker 1: there are a lot of paramilitary commandos Afghan Special Forces
Speaker 1: soldiers there. UM. I haven't heard anything about American casualties
Speaker 1: and so hopefully there aren't any. Um. But this is
Speaker 1: still a tremendous loss for of course the Afghan security forces. Um.
Speaker 1: There's speculation that the Hakani network was behind it. They
Speaker 1: had a stolen humby um that I believe was packed
Speaker 1: with explore thoseives that they drove in and exploded, and
Speaker 1: then they assaulted the compound. Um. So yeah, man, it's
Speaker 1: a mess all right. Um, well, thanks for checking out.
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Speaker 1: all the great episodes that we've done, I think we've
Speaker 1: had some unusual and and different stories covered the past
Speaker 1: few weeks, which is great. Um. And then also I
Speaker 1: just wanted to us say once again that we will
Speaker 1: if I could uncover which email it is. I have
Speaker 1: so much stuff in front of me, but basically the
Speaker 1: email of the week I'm going to give to that guy. Um, yes, Scott,
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