Speaker 1: Hey, Dream listeners. If you like this podcast, you're going
Speaker 1: to love the book. Yeah. I wrote a book. It's
Speaker 1: called Selling the Dream, and it's coming out March twelfth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, on Atria. It's about all of your
Speaker 1: favorite characters from MLMs and some that you've never even
Speaker 1: heard of. I hope check it out. Previously on the Dream,
Speaker 1: Mackenzie started bawling. Remember that from last week. There's also,
Speaker 1: of course, been a lot of deep pressing history from
Speaker 1: me and Dan and then crying with my aunt and
Speaker 1: reminiscing with Grandma and blah blah blah, blah blah. Today
Speaker 1: we're letting you guys take over. For the past few weeks,
Speaker 1: we've been asking you, our listeners, to call in and
Speaker 1: leave us voicemails about your MLM experiences, and we're going
Speaker 1: to listen to some of those today. But first I
Speaker 1: need to put some people on blast. A lot of
Speaker 1: you called in just to rat out your friends. You
Speaker 1: called and gave us your friend's actual phone numbers and
Speaker 1: asked me personally to call them up and tell them
Speaker 1: that they're being skill and or you asked me to
Speaker 1: do some recon on your behalf, you know, find out
Speaker 1: if they're lying about how much money they're making or whatever.
Speaker 1: Her name is, her number is five, and you're totally
Speaker 1: okay to, you know, inform her that I passed her
Speaker 1: in so along if you get in touch with her.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm so curious. All right, Let you guys
Speaker 1: buye here. Look, I have enough calls to make for
Speaker 1: the show already, including one at the end of this
Speaker 1: episode to the woman who skipped her best friend's wedding
Speaker 1: to attend Limelight Palooza. Stick around for that, but before
Speaker 1: we get to her, let's listen to your stories. We're
Speaker 1: just gonna let these roll. So I've never actually done
Speaker 1: an m L and myself, but one of my best
Speaker 1: friends she's done everyone possible. In college, she filed for
Speaker 1: bankruptcy and she was one of my bridesmaids. I haven't
Speaker 1: actually talked to her in about four years because every
Speaker 1: time I talked to her she tries to sell me something.
Speaker 1: This was her last text to me, Hey, how was
Speaker 1: your child's first day of school? My youngest has her
Speaker 1: Meet the Teacher night and it starts next Tuesday. She's
Speaker 1: really excited. I'm also wondering you could be interested in
Speaker 1: helping me out with something I'm super close to earning
Speaker 1: a free cruise in leadership for husband and I with Plexus.
Speaker 1: I'm curious willing to make a one time purchase to
Speaker 1: help me earn this opportunity. I have a great sale
Speaker 1: for you to make the deal sweeter, but I really
Speaker 1: only desire to help people. If you think this would
Speaker 1: be a good fit for you, I want to help
Speaker 1: you out. What do you think again, It's been four
Speaker 1: years since I've had a conversation with her. A couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, my marriage is on the rocks. I
Speaker 1: didn't really know why, but my wife is the time,
Speaker 1: was wanting divorce, and so I reached out to my
Speaker 1: father in law, who I had a pretty good relationship with,
Speaker 1: and asked him if he could maybe sit down at
Speaker 1: top with me because I knew that he had gone
Speaker 1: through something similar with his marriage. Did it work? The
Speaker 1: time came, sit down talk to him, and he proceeded
Speaker 1: in basically dismantling me as a person and as a provider,
Speaker 1: telling me that my education was them good enough, to
Speaker 1: my job was him good enough? Which led to the
Speaker 1: question what are you going to do? What will you do?
Speaker 1: And I was flabbergasted. I just sat there holding back
Speaker 1: tears to be honest, and he said, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what you can do, and his solution was Melaluca. He
Speaker 1: obligated me to sit down and listen to his presentation
Speaker 1: about Bela Luca and explain how that was going to
Speaker 1: get me into financeinantial freedom, and how that would essentially
Speaker 1: win back the heart of his daughter, who is now
Speaker 1: my ex wife. It was a moment in my life
Speaker 1: where I was devastated beyond belief and just reminded me
Speaker 1: why I have stayed away from direct sales, as we
Speaker 1: call it, my entire life. Thank you for the show
Speaker 1: that you're doing. It's important work. My name is Jason
Speaker 1: and I run an immigrant health clinic in Phoenix, Arizona.
Speaker 1: I've seen it again again how a lot of our
Speaker 1: patients who are already financially struggling, have gotten sucked into
Speaker 1: some of these MLM schemes, especially herbal life, but others
Speaker 1: as well. And I think that what makes our patients
Speaker 1: especially vulnerable to this is that so many of them
Speaker 1: are highly intell diligent, but because if America's broken immigration laws,
Speaker 1: they're sort of locked out of the dignified labor markets,
Speaker 1: and so they find themselves forced into these very menial
Speaker 1: and degrading jobs, you know, scrubbing other people's toilets and
Speaker 1: cleaning other people's offices. And they have such a desperation
Speaker 1: to have work with dignity that when somebody tells them
Speaker 1: they can run their own business and you know, have
Speaker 1: control of their life, it's they understandably really want to
Speaker 1: fall for that. And I've just seen such an expansion
Speaker 1: of some of these stemmy MM businesses in the Statish
Speaker 1: speaking market, and it's frustrating to me because these are
Speaker 1: some of the people who are already preyed upon in
Speaker 1: so many different ways, and now they see them being
Speaker 1: taken advantage of. Well, uh, please don't use my name
Speaker 1: on the show, but I'm going to tell you my
Speaker 1: name is. I work as a youth minister. I went
Speaker 1: through like two years of moms at the church constantly
Speaker 1: approaching me about their MLMs because they thought that because
Speaker 1: I am a leader in my church and I work
Speaker 1: with all these kids, and I work with all these moms,
Speaker 1: that I would be able to grow their downlines so
Speaker 1: quickly that I would make them a lot of money.
Speaker 1: And I would be like, no, you idiots, this is
Speaker 1: not something. Okay, I didn't call them idiots. That's not
Speaker 1: very pastoral. But they would like make up reasons to
Speaker 1: talk to me and not tell me that it's MLM.
Speaker 1: And they would be like, oh, my kid is you know, struggling,
Speaker 1: and I need to talk to you about my kid.
Speaker 1: And I'd be like, oh, okay, cool, come on into
Speaker 1: my office. And they'd come into the office and they'd
Speaker 1: be like, talk about their kids for two minutes, and
Speaker 1: then it would be like, oh, have you heard about
Speaker 1: icegenics or have you heard about ma And then it
Speaker 1: was like the other thing that like really frustrated me
Speaker 1: was that they knew that because I chose to do
Speaker 1: church work, I don't make, you know, a ton of money,
Speaker 1: So they would lie about their kids having problems just
Speaker 1: to get to me and then try to sell me
Speaker 1: on their so called business. Anyway, I just needed to rant.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to share my experience as a member
Speaker 1: of the Church of Jesus Christ the Latter day Saints. First,
Speaker 1: I want to stress that the church has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with MLMs officially, but as you stated, Utah is
Speaker 1: the unofficial global capital of MLMs, and I believe this
Speaker 1: is because of the nature the members of the Church
Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ the latterday Saints. Firstly, just like a
Speaker 1: lot of other churches, Latterday Saints are generally trusting, you
Speaker 1: might say global. They're optimistic and sharing, and importantly, we
Speaker 1: have lots of friends and family. So when your uncle
Speaker 1: comes to you and says I have this great life
Speaker 1: changing opportunity, sometimes it sounds a lot like a message
Speaker 1: you would here at church. Secondly, Latter day Saints often
Speaker 1: believe that because they are good people, good things will
Speaker 1: happen to them. Course this is a false belief, but
Speaker 1: joining the latest MLM to come their way just has
Speaker 1: to work out, because they say their prayers, go to church,
Speaker 1: help their neighbors, so forth. Another thing is that being
Speaker 1: self sufficient is very very strongly preached, and as you've
Speaker 1: discussed in your podcast, women are generally not supposed to work,
Speaker 1: and so being part of an MLM is a perfect
Speaker 1: fit because they feel like they can earn money for
Speaker 1: their family without officially having a job. My last point,
Speaker 1: Latter day Saints are born and bred to be missionaries.
Speaker 1: A phrase you'll hear all the time at church is
Speaker 1: every member is a missionary, and so preaching the Gospels
Speaker 1: their friends often naturally flows to selling MLM products to
Speaker 1: their friends. Hey, Jane, my name is Nick. I live
Speaker 1: out in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. So my experience, I moved to
Speaker 1: Harrisburg about two years ago, right, and as I'm settling in,
Speaker 1: you know, you go to grocery stores, and first grocery
Speaker 1: store I'm in, I end up meeting this guy and
Speaker 1: he start, you know, I think he started talking to
Speaker 1: me about sports. He said, oh, it looked like you
Speaker 1: you work out, which is weird, right, And you know,
Speaker 1: we started talking and it's just real casual and about
Speaker 1: what we do and for work. And he tells me, yeah,
Speaker 1: I also do this thing on the side. It's some
Speaker 1: sports marketing. It's really neat. You know. It's a group
Speaker 1: of guys that are similar to yourself. We should go
Speaker 1: together and talk more about it. I'm like, Okay, that
Speaker 1: sounds sounds cool. I'm new to the area. I like
Speaker 1: to make some friends and let's do it. So this
Speaker 1: guy's like asking me if you can come over my
Speaker 1: mind hot house or where we can meet and where
Speaker 1: we can meet, and I'm just like, you know, the
Speaker 1: more I think about it, and it smells like an MLM.
Speaker 1: So I get him on the phone and I'm just like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's you know, let me know what's the product. You know,
Speaker 1: what am I selling? How it's marketing? Okay? So there's
Speaker 1: no product, no, no product okay? And how how does
Speaker 1: it work? Do you make money? How do you make money?
Speaker 1: And none of these questions he could give concrete answers.
Speaker 1: And then he starts like flipping the script, which I've
Speaker 1: heard of and I've seen this multiple times. They flip
Speaker 1: it and they say, well, I don't know if you'd
Speaker 1: be the right fit for us. We're looking for people
Speaker 1: that are like minded. And then he, you know, tries
Speaker 1: to make you or me feel, you know, self conscious.
Speaker 1: You start to wonder what a why the rights to hit? Like,
Speaker 1: what's wrong with me? You know? And I realized he
Speaker 1: was doing this and I just kind of wrote him
Speaker 1: off and that was that. But funny enough, I continue
Speaker 1: going to the grocery stores because I need to buy food,
Speaker 1: and I see this is like a month ago, and
Speaker 1: I see this guy, the same one that approached me
Speaker 1: the first time, and he's walking around and I see him.
Speaker 1: He's got this other dude cornered and they're talking, and
Speaker 1: so it is so fine. So I leave the store
Speaker 1: and i'm driving out. You know, I got my groceries,
Speaker 1: and I see him leaving the store with no groceries. Hi,
Speaker 1: my name is Mimi. I was part of the Amway organization,
Speaker 1: but in like a sub categorized MLM within Amwick. It
Speaker 1: was called Worldwide Group, and it was from the start
Speaker 1: so controlling from every aspect of my life, from how
Speaker 1: I spend my money, me and then who I would
Speaker 1: associate with. It was highly encouraged that if other people
Speaker 1: did not want to be a part of Worldwide Group,
Speaker 1: that you should quote sniff them out of your life.
Speaker 1: I'd rather not use my real name, so you can
Speaker 1: call me whatever you want, Amy, Lisa, whatever, I don't care.
Speaker 1: So here is what happened to me in two thousand
Speaker 1: and two. I was pregnant with my first child, and
Speaker 1: I was a virtual assistant and I had a client
Speaker 1: in town who was starting a new business. She was
Speaker 1: a professional motivational speaker, so her sales pitch was bought on.
Speaker 1: She was super excited and she talked me into being
Speaker 1: part of her. Of course, amazing opportunity she said she
Speaker 1: couldn't even explain it, or she wouldn't, and that could
Speaker 1: be part of it for only three hundred dollars, and
Speaker 1: she was going to She was quite sure she was
Speaker 1: going to be making twenty thousand dollars a month before
Speaker 1: she knew it, and it was going to be so easy.
Speaker 1: So of course it's sounded great to me, and I
Speaker 1: quickly signed on, not even understanding what I was signing
Speaker 1: on to do. Her website was literally swimming in cash
Speaker 1: dot com. That was what her website was. Of course,
Speaker 1: it was just pictures of her family and vacation places
Speaker 1: they've gone to, and no other information whatsoever except for
Speaker 1: eight hundred numbers that you could call for more info,
Speaker 1: which didn't really even give you anything. So within hours
Speaker 1: of spending my initial three hundred dollars, I was on
Speaker 1: the phone with her and her supervisor. It turned out
Speaker 1: that what I'd done was to sign up to sell rbalife.
Speaker 1: The phone call we'd had was to explain to me
Speaker 1: how I could go on to become the supervisor without
Speaker 1: even selling a thing. All I had to do was
Speaker 1: buy five thousand dollars worth of product and then to
Speaker 1: bump me out to the next level. Their sales pitches
Speaker 1: were phenomenal. By the end of the call, I seriously
Speaker 1: couldn't wait to give them five thousand dollars so that
Speaker 1: I could too get in at the ground level. Of course,
Speaker 1: never mind the Erbalife had been in business for years
Speaker 1: and there was no ground level left. Never once during
Speaker 1: the phone call did they mention sales or even the product.
Speaker 1: It was all about recruitment and building my team. When
Speaker 1: I during the call, when I raised objections to them
Speaker 1: that I didn't want to recruit any friends or family,
Speaker 1: they told me that I wouldn't have to, that they
Speaker 1: would teach me how to do it through classified ads
Speaker 1: in the newspaper, putting signs up, mailing out booklets. So
Speaker 1: at this point I am now fifty three hundred dollars
Speaker 1: in the hole. My business is up and running. That
Speaker 1: meant that for the next few months I spent my
Speaker 1: time buying classified ads and target markets in newspapers, which
Speaker 1: in my case turned out to be Chicago. I was
Speaker 1: running ads in the newspapers that were anywhere from seven
Speaker 1: hundred to nine hundred dollars a week, and then I
Speaker 1: was buying mailing lists that were similarly cost and I
Speaker 1: was mailing out these booklets that literally have pictures of
Speaker 1: people in yachts and on vacations, and that was it.
Speaker 1: There was no other information in it. By this time,
Speaker 1: I was about seven months pregnant, and I was also
Speaker 1: putting up signs around town. I was literally seven months
Speaker 1: pregnant and climbing ladders and trying to put my signs
Speaker 1: high enough so that other people would and take them down,
Speaker 1: saying work from home earned twenty thousand dollars a month.
Speaker 1: Never during any of this time. It all told, it
Speaker 1: was about four or five months. Never during any of
Speaker 1: this that I saw a single Herbal Life product or
Speaker 1: even really learned that much about the product. I really
Speaker 1: had no idea what I was supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1: All I was supposed to be doing was listening to
Speaker 1: these motivational weekly and daily falls telling me how to
Speaker 1: sign new people up, because the more supervisors that I
Speaker 1: signed up, the more money I would make. After having
Speaker 1: my son, I quickly realized this was not for me.
Speaker 1: I quit the business and was like twenty to twenty
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars in the hole. I never ever, ever
Speaker 1: have told my husband any of this. He has no
Speaker 1: idea Hi Janey. My name's Amanda. I'm coming from Coloonna,
Speaker 1: British Columbia, Canada. I actually used to work in the
Speaker 1: customer service department of a multi level marketing company here
Speaker 1: in BC, and may I tell you it was an
Speaker 1: interesting couple of years. One of the things I had
Speaker 1: to do was stuff envelopes with commission checks, and so
Speaker 1: you would have a stack of checks as sick as
Speaker 1: your wrist, and they'd be going all over North America.
Speaker 1: And there was the same names that just kept coming
Speaker 1: up over and over and over again, and I started
Speaker 1: to recognize them. There was maybe twenty or thirty names
Speaker 1: that would always be receiving checks, and we're talking hundreds,
Speaker 1: sometimes thousands of dollars. And then there were other names
Speaker 1: that I didn't recognize, and they would be receiving checks
Speaker 1: for just the most insultingly minuscule amounts of money. We're
Speaker 1: talking forty cents, you know, ten bucks here, fifteen dollars there,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know why they were so low, or
Speaker 1: what these people were doing or anything, and I just
Speaker 1: felt bad. Towards the end that is Bill worn and
Speaker 1: my experience with an MLAMB was a friend of mine
Speaker 1: told me was a great business opportunity. And I went
Speaker 1: to his house and sat down with him, and they
Speaker 1: were with his family and friends, and they started giving
Speaker 1: a spill about this business where you convinced people to
Speaker 1: change their phone service from one service to another. And
Speaker 1: Donald Trump backed this thing. And then they showed a
Speaker 1: video with Donald Trump talking about this landline telephone. I
Speaker 1: had a video screen on it, how it was this
Speaker 1: great new technology, and I'm thinking, this is crazy. They
Speaker 1: had these things in the nineteen sixties at the World's Fair.
Speaker 1: It was not big technology. But I was just shocked
Speaker 1: at how gullible these people were. They were just eating
Speaker 1: this up because Donald Trump was putting his name on it.
Speaker 1: So when I got up to leave in the middle
Speaker 1: of this thing, my friend followed me to the door
Speaker 1: and say, what, No, why are you leaving. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you need to snap out of it, man, You just
Speaker 1: Donald Trump was putting his name on a turd if
Speaker 1: somebody paid him. Ugh, we do have one more call
Speaker 1: to play for you. It's an outgoing call. Remember we
Speaker 1: promised to reach out to this lady. I'm really really
Speaker 1: passionate about Limelight Palooza. Her name is Jetty and She's
Speaker 1: a Kardashian adjacent looking makeup artist from Philly. Last week
Speaker 1: we played you a little bit of this YouTube video
Speaker 1: we found of her talking about the importance of Limelight Palooza,
Speaker 1: the annual convention that that makeup company puts on. Here's
Speaker 1: more of that. I almost didn't go to Limelight Palosa
Speaker 1: this year because one of my best friends is getting
Speaker 1: married that same Saturday, and I'm supposed to be a bridemaid.
Speaker 1: And I remember crying when I found out that Limelight
Speaker 1: Paloosa was that same weekend, and it was one of
Speaker 1: the hardest decisions I had to make business wise, because
Speaker 1: you know, my friendships are important and my business is very,
Speaker 1: very important to me as well. However, I made like
Speaker 1: a promise to myself that this year, no matter what,
Speaker 1: I was gonna go. And so we both cried about it.
Speaker 1: She was crying, I was crying, But she's such a
Speaker 1: good friend that she was like, you need to go.
Speaker 1: So now I'm telling you guys what my friend told me.
Speaker 1: You need to go. If you want to make some
Speaker 1: serious money in this business, you must go. I've researched this,
Speaker 1: I study this. I've been in direct sales for a
Speaker 1: very long time, and I have failed in direct sales
Speaker 1: for a very long time because I never took convention. Seriously,
Speaker 1: there's a pattern here. I'm not going to conventions and
Speaker 1: I'm not succeeding. It's trying to break that netwal marketing
Speaker 1: doesn't care about your past. It doesn't care about like
Speaker 1: how broke you are right now. It doesn't care if
Speaker 1: you're a single mind, doesn't care if you've lived on welfare.
Speaker 1: It doesn't care if you finished high school. It does
Speaker 1: not discriminate. Like success can happen to anyone in this business,
Speaker 1: but you have to invest your time and money in
Speaker 1: order to get it. Just just get to convention, and
Speaker 1: I promise you, I promise you won't regret it. So
Speaker 1: we called then Jetty to see if attending Limelight Palooza
Speaker 1: made all of her dreams come true? Is she rich
Speaker 1: beyond belief? You know? Was missing her best friend's wedding
Speaker 1: really worth it? That's one biggest regret, Like like I
Speaker 1: was gonna break up with her, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: This is not mentioned anywhere in the video, but it
Speaker 1: turns out that Jetty wasn't just any old beauty guide. No,
Speaker 1: she was a beauty Ambassador, a special title for a
Speaker 1: handful of makeup artist slash influencers who were recruited in
Speaker 1: the early days of Limelight to stump for the brand.
Speaker 1: She knows Jacob, you guys. Side note, We reached out
Speaker 1: again for his comment, and he's just he's so on
Speaker 1: all the time, even in his emails, so incredibly Jacob.
Speaker 1: It's almost enviable. It wasn't one hundred percent clear, but
Speaker 1: we think he's listened to the show now and he
Speaker 1: still has no interest in speaking with us. Maybe that'll
Speaker 1: change after he hears what m Jetty, his former colleague,
Speaker 1: has to say. So as investments, we were required to
Speaker 1: go to the conference. Oh you didn't say that in
Speaker 1: the video. Sorry, Yeah, so we were. It was it
Speaker 1: was one of those things where it wasn't like written
Speaker 1: in paper, but the way they implied it was like
Speaker 1: you are required to go. But if like you down go,
Speaker 1: you're it's like it's gonna be very frowned fun and
Speaker 1: we're not going to know if we're gonna be able
Speaker 1: to take you serious. And again again, I wasn't just
Speaker 1: a beauty guy. I was an ambassador. I had relationships
Speaker 1: with the CEO and and with corporate, and so they
Speaker 1: were all expecting me to be there. And I looked
Speaker 1: back at it now and I think, oh my god, like,
Speaker 1: what were you thinking? What were you thinking? What were
Speaker 1: you thinking? I was just thinking that, like if I
Speaker 1: did all these things, I can't again, I was going
Speaker 1: to be I was gonna have all this success, and
Speaker 1: I was gonna have all this money, and I was
Speaker 1: gonna have all this admiration and I was going to
Speaker 1: be happy. So are you still with that company? No,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I was cuminated what m H say it again?
Speaker 1: I was terminated by them. Why spate? I was let
Speaker 1: go so like it came to a point where it
Speaker 1: was no longer fulfilling me. It got pulled to a
Speaker 1: point where I was working so much, working around the clock.
Speaker 1: And I'm still young, so I mean, I'm twenty nine now,
Speaker 1: but at the time I was about twenty seven, so
Speaker 1: I still kind of wanted to live my life. But
Speaker 1: some girls didn't see us that way. Some girls they
Speaker 1: told corporate, you know, she's not she's not doing what
Speaker 1: she should supposed to be doing as an upline. And
Speaker 1: I felt like I was even though I wasn't happy,
Speaker 1: and I was starting to slowly pull away. Like at
Speaker 1: one point I got I told the girls that I
Speaker 1: was going to have business hours. It got to that
Speaker 1: because I said, I cannot be awake at two am.
Speaker 1: I mean, even your doctor has begirt right. So after
Speaker 1: I got terminated, I went into a really bad depression
Speaker 1: and I developed pretty bad anxiety because I got terminated
Speaker 1: over an email. Never got a phone call from corporate.
Speaker 1: Despite having a very close intimate relationship with CEO. I
Speaker 1: never got a phone call. It was an email. So
Speaker 1: then what did you do next? So I did do
Speaker 1: in another direct bil company. What I know, I know
Speaker 1: it is because so one of my my good friends
Speaker 1: in my downline, her mom was in Senogen the lips stick,
Speaker 1: and she's like, come on, a Jettie, like, let's let's
Speaker 1: do it. I'm like, all right, fine, So I did it.
Speaker 1: Put after two months, I was like, you know, this
Speaker 1: isn't for me. But then after that she goes, all right, well,
Speaker 1: I just so much another company, and the company is
Speaker 1: a great bonus there, and you're gonna get these bonuses
Speaker 1: so quick. So we joined. The name is Coved and
Speaker 1: they sell this ketos. Does Katosis drink it? Yeah? Okay, yeah, yeah, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, it doesn't work. And again I start
Speaker 1: seeing that same pattern where I'm giving it my own
Speaker 1: I'm spending too much time on my soul, you know.
Speaker 1: And so then after that I joined them to cem
Speaker 1: what yeah, yeah, I know. You're like a fascinating character
Speaker 1: to me because you really want it to be the answer.
Speaker 1: It seems like it's like an attic. I'm like an addict.
Speaker 1: What it is like, You're just like an attic, and
Speaker 1: like you got that taste of success, got the taste
Speaker 1: of the money and the potential, and you see it
Speaker 1: and you know it, but you know it's not that
Speaker 1: good for you. You're gonna go after it anyways, but
Speaker 1: we're just gonna take the next time, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Megan, if you're listening to this, I thank
Speaker 1: god you're such a special and understanding and forgiving time firm,
Speaker 1: because I think had that been done to me, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I would have been able to have
Speaker 1: been so accepting. Another coming up on the last two
Speaker 1: episodes of this season of The Dream, Well, thank you,
Speaker 1: Dick de Boss. Dick Johnson, Dick de Boss, thank you
Speaker 1: for that very warm and generous welcome and what was
Speaker 1: enforcement like during the Bush era? Non existent? A moratorium
Speaker 1: and thank all of you for that welcome. You sure
Speaker 1: know how to make the fellow feel a part of
Speaker 1: the Amway family. Clinton himself later publicized a video that
Speaker 1: was done for the Direct Selling Association, promoting it internationally.
Speaker 1: Three quarters of you are women trying to strengthen your
Speaker 1: families and raise strong children without the fear that a
Speaker 1: glass ceiling will hold you down. In a very real way,
Speaker 1: your work promotes our values all around the globe. They
Speaker 1: can look at the law and the judicial decisions as
Speaker 1: I'm sure you have from the last thirty five years.
Speaker 1: I followed your industry's growth for years now, and even
Speaker 1: I was amazed to learn that there are more than
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand direct salespeople in Russia and over six
Speaker 1: hundred thousand in China. I want to thank the leaders
Speaker 1: of Amway China for contributing to causes that make the
Speaker 1: communities in which you live a better place. Well, that's
Speaker 1: a loaded question, is I'm sure you know? I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm fine loading questions. I have no problem, but at
Speaker 1: this point in my research loading a question, and the
Speaker 1: trap is being skeptical of the business model only because
Speaker 1: it's a little bit foreign to you. That's I spent
Speaker 1: a year of studying this. Well, you accuse me ONCETI lying,
Speaker 1: which I take great offense to. Back to your per
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid of offending people. I'm a reporter. It's
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Speaker 1: I'm offended by a lot of what you're doing. If
Speaker 1: a person is purchasing one thousand dollars worth of toothpaste
Speaker 1: each month and suggesting that they are using it for
Speaker 1: personal use, on its face, that is clearly not doable.
Speaker 1: Are enforcement, but in fact represent tracking. That are the
Speaker 1: companies You represent tracking. That's up to the companies to do.
Speaker 1: No facts up to you. You represent them, You represent
Speaker 1: them for our government, you represent them for the people.
Speaker 1: It is up to you. There's a presumption of innocence
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