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Speaker 1: for more information. Be Around the NFL podcast Look like
Speaker 1: Lego people next to Nick Shook. Welcome to another edition
Speaker 1: of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan
Speaker 1: Hansens and I enjoined in a room filled with a hero,
Speaker 1: Mark Sesssler. What's up? Boy? I mean, I guess everyone
Speaker 1: else is still, you know, drifting in the afterglow. How nice?
Speaker 1: Superift three? Where's Greg? Not here? My dog? Mark Wood
Speaker 1: is c Where's West? Alright? Yeah, Greg's on vacation, so
Speaker 1: I guess we give him a pack, but it's like
Speaker 1: he couldn't wait to get off the grid. You know,
Speaker 1: you're read into that as you will. Um and I
Speaker 1: tweeted as a joke yesterday that Greg was involved with
Speaker 1: the Patriots parade brawl, which is really funny to think about. Uh,
Speaker 1: he was not New England. I don't believe. But West
Speaker 1: is supposed to be here right now. He knew the
Speaker 1: time nine thirty am Pacific start for today's show. Just
Speaker 1: blowing us off. He is in Los Angeles. It's not
Speaker 1: that there's noe. You know, no emergency has occurred. Erica.
Speaker 1: Did you get any type of phone call or any
Speaker 1: heads up on this? I haven't heard from him. I mean,
Speaker 1: did he make it back from Tybee and all? That's
Speaker 1: that's what I'm wondering that I believe he did a
Speaker 1: raging pro I don't know what else? What else do
Speaker 1: I mean? How many times have we heard over the
Speaker 1: past two years we never start on time. That's our
Speaker 1: record that we never started on time before. Well, where's us?
Speaker 1: We're here? I just heard a knock at the door.
Speaker 1: It looks like you've forgot his I d to what
Speaker 1: we never started on time? You'd like to think we'd
Speaker 1: kick off this offseason at full strength, respect the show,
Speaker 1: respect the audience, be a pro and ultimately respect yourself,
Speaker 1: you know, and here he comes Chris Westling of the
Speaker 1: Around the NFL podcast, coming into the studio, waltzing in
Speaker 1: with this little silver Look at that nice little silver
Speaker 1: drink tin. What do you even call that? He's getting
Speaker 1: his stuff together? This is the here is but in
Speaker 1: the heads up it's a common implement mark known as
Speaker 1: a mug. Well, it's nice and shiny, nice and shiny person.
Speaker 1: Why had you guys started without me? So now I
Speaker 1: can have this in my repertoire for the times we
Speaker 1: never start this podcast on time. You know that we
Speaker 1: were here this time starting with a new flavor. Do
Speaker 1: you want to drop it? Because we've got tradition and
Speaker 1: you're here? Hey, Dan, there is Welcome to the Thursday
Speaker 1: edition of be Around the NFL Podcast. And um, you
Speaker 1: know it's the Thursday after the Super Bowl. Ricky Hollywood
Speaker 1: behind the glass, still in the afterglow of a another
Speaker 1: Patriots title. Uh, you know, given a little distance, it
Speaker 1: feels I still it feels weird to me that that's
Speaker 1: how this season played out. That's how this season specifically ended.
Speaker 1: It doesn't like makes sense, like how there was so
Speaker 1: much excitement this year, so many new things happening. You know,
Speaker 1: whether it was Patrick Mahomes turning the league on its ear,
Speaker 1: uh say, Quads going nuts, Baker Mayfield returning the Browns respectability,
Speaker 1: scoring out of control, a double fifty Burger game, and
Speaker 1: then it was almost like there was like some type
Speaker 1: of power outage and they had to like flip the
Speaker 1: breakers and go into safe restart like default mode. And
Speaker 1: that led to another Patriots super Bowl run, which was
Speaker 1: the opposite of everything else that was new and exciting.
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, but thing you know, it
Speaker 1: would be new. Also, if Bill Belichick weren't the best
Speaker 1: coach in football given enough time to prepare for someone
Speaker 1: who's never been against someone who's never been there. The
Speaker 1: two bye weeks west that I feel like they came
Speaker 1: close the rest of the a f C to taking
Speaker 1: the Pats out of the bye week um entering the playoffs.
Speaker 1: But given the genius of Belichick, and that's undeniable, the
Speaker 1: fact that he gets the bye week going into the
Speaker 1: divisual playoffs and then the bye week going into the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, when you have such an advantage that mad scientist,
Speaker 1: that is a big part of it, isn't it. I
Speaker 1: think that's that's his whole m o, Like, if I
Speaker 1: can get to the n f C Championship game, then
Speaker 1: I know, between my ability to game plan out, game
Speaker 1: plan the opposing coaches and Brady's ability in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: We've got like a certain percentage percentage advantage every game
Speaker 1: over the opposition. How about this theory? Mark the first
Speaker 1: two acts of the NFL season. Let's look at the
Speaker 1: season like a movie. The first two acts were kind
Speaker 1: of you know, hard stop, kind of exhilarating. You didn't
Speaker 1: know what was gonna happen. And then the third act, everybody,
Speaker 1: you know, the turtle put his head in the shell.
Speaker 1: It was like the Quiet Place of NFL seasons. I know,
Speaker 1: I know, shut up, I know you didn't. You didn't
Speaker 1: like how the Quiet Place ended after a really great start.
Speaker 1: How about that? Uh yeah, I mean that that And
Speaker 1: again that's under the umbrella that we don't like the
Speaker 1: way it ended, and I'm with you on that and
Speaker 1: in some ways, like but I I will say one thing.
Speaker 1: The one thing that felt new to me about the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl was that I expected it to be a
Speaker 1: continuation of what we'd seen where these super Bowls, like
Speaker 1: especially the Eagles Patriots when last year got just got
Speaker 1: totally out of hand with offense, and you could imagine
Speaker 1: it happened and again, and we got a totally unexpected result.
Speaker 1: Who who find me one so called expert, first of all,
Speaker 1: find me one about anything but and one football expert
Speaker 1: that predicted three points for the Rams. In that sense,
Speaker 1: it was new. I could get the Patriots exhaustion with you, though,
Speaker 1: is a leg shit real thing, not just do it
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. Absolutely, And the way the
Speaker 1: way that game, the way the game ended the thirteen
Speaker 1: three the one thing we used to say all the times,
Speaker 1: like at least I know you have Patriots exhaustion, Den,
Speaker 1: but you're going to get a great game. Well I
Speaker 1: didn't get that either this time, so please no more.
Speaker 1: It's a sport that's notoriously hard to predict, and I
Speaker 1: think this year was harder to predict than ever. And
Speaker 1: that was the fallout from the roles changing over the
Speaker 1: course of the season. The roles on what you could
Speaker 1: do to a quarterback were different in September and early
Speaker 1: October than they were late in the season. And I
Speaker 1: think that, combined with defense, is catching onto all of
Speaker 1: the pre snap motions and gadgets that the coaches were doing.
Speaker 1: Maybe they gradually caught up over the course of the
Speaker 1: seasons you were in TYPEE. If we were you did
Speaker 1: not get to your one d drink over under over
Speaker 1: at the super Bowl. But if we were to tack
Speaker 1: on Tybee, are you over? Good question. I hadn't counted,
Speaker 1: but I think it's awfully close. I would put myself
Speaker 1: as slightly under. For like the twelve day venture, I
Speaker 1: have to say I'm a little disappointed we don't at
Speaker 1: the West Croak when the when the voice goes a
Speaker 1: little bit, that's when you know West had an incredible
Speaker 1: forty eight hours. Well, I approached this trip differently. You know,
Speaker 1: in previous trips it's always like, oh, West is coming
Speaker 1: into town everybody you know. Yeah, this was more like,
Speaker 1: only tell a few people I wanted to live like
Speaker 1: I used to live when I live there, where you're
Speaker 1: at an actual islander instead of like a semi celebrity
Speaker 1: coming in to drink with everyone, like you calling yourself
Speaker 1: a semi celebrity. Well for the island, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's still it would be a big thing to be
Speaker 1: a celebrity on an American island. There's no island that
Speaker 1: I would roll into as a celebrity. So that is
Speaker 1: an achievement. West. You take a lot of photos when
Speaker 1: you're there. I did took a lot of photos hung
Speaker 1: out in Huckapoo's kitchen. No autographs, all the good conversation,
Speaker 1: you know, all these stories where you just like do
Speaker 1: a triple take and then gradually pull your seat closer
Speaker 1: to be like, let me hear the rest of this. None.
Speaker 1: What about where you like people ask you to sign
Speaker 1: body parts? About any of that late in the night.
Speaker 1: I've never in my life been asked to sign a
Speaker 1: body part. You never signed a booby and not get
Speaker 1: will over there in Tybee? Um, all right, that's great
Speaker 1: and we'll be a Tybee in a few months. It's coming.
Speaker 1: Do I have to bleep booby? I don't know, bird,
Speaker 1: it's a physical body part. I think it's very Are
Speaker 1: we still as a society like almost fifteen years or
Speaker 1: moved from Janet Jackson? Now we can't even say booby?
Speaker 1: Which direction are we going on this issue? Adam Mlvin's
Speaker 1: got the nips out, double nips anyway? All right? So
Speaker 1: super Bowl fifty three, yes in the books, Um, whether
Speaker 1: you're happy with how it turned out or not, it's over. Uh,
Speaker 1: today's show is going to be looking ahead to what
Speaker 1: else is going on in the league. There are a
Speaker 1: host of juicy offseason storylines, is there always are when
Speaker 1: you start to take a more macro look at the
Speaker 1: league post super Bowl. So we're gonna go through, um
Speaker 1: some of them. Uh, and we're gonna west market myself.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the ones we're kind of
Speaker 1: looking for ward two tracking and the ones we wish
Speaker 1: if we could just hit fast forward to the end,
Speaker 1: to the conclusion, because you want to know how it
Speaker 1: turns out, just so you can process it as a
Speaker 1: football analyst, uh specialist. Sure, you need to know what happened.
Speaker 1: But if you could just you know, go blank slate
Speaker 1: and just there's a result, some supplots. I'd argue that
Speaker 1: list for me would be longer than the former list.
Speaker 1: That's true. Uh, So we're gonna do that. We'll check
Speaker 1: in on our Super Bowl sandwich props. Uh, say goodbye
Speaker 1: to some friends at the end, and then, uh, before
Speaker 1: we do any of that, let's take a spin around
Speaker 1: the league, do some news. This quarterback I'll tell you
Speaker 1: how Beard he was, I'll tell you how Bart. He
Speaker 1: was he and McVeigh well worse than Maroon five, And
Speaker 1: that took some taken because what I'll say about Maroon
Speaker 1: five when I was sitting there watching them is I
Speaker 1: wish somebody would have marooned them, Okay, because they were
Speaker 1: god awful. That's how you do radio. Well's your thoughts
Speaker 1: on the New York media, Well, I was gonna say
Speaker 1: we're in lockstep on this particular issue because I made
Speaker 1: the same comparison on our recap show. Absolutely, look at you.
Speaker 1: You should replace mad Dog. Oh my god, Wes and
Speaker 1: frances So that is tremendous. All right, Uh, there you go.
Speaker 1: So that's Mike frances A w f A n uh
Speaker 1: borrowed that from back after this Twitter account, which is fun. Uh.
Speaker 1: Let's start with the Philadelphia Eagles, who um have a
Speaker 1: no longer have a quarterback controversy. Two bits of quarterback news.
Speaker 1: We'll start with Carson Wentz, who, uh there was that
Speaker 1: report a week or so ago in which unnamed players
Speaker 1: um kind of spoke out about how Wentz is a
Speaker 1: little bit difficult to deal with that he's not maybe
Speaker 1: um the all American perfect country boy quarterback that he's
Speaker 1: been portrayed as and it makes life a little bit
Speaker 1: more difficult behind scenes for the Eagles and West. This
Speaker 1: surprised me because Whence spoke to a small group of
Speaker 1: reporters at the Philadelphia practice facility and this via espn um.
Speaker 1: I know who I am first of all. I know
Speaker 1: how I carry myself. I know I'm not perfect. I
Speaker 1: know I have flaws. So I'm not gonna sit here
Speaker 1: and say it was inaccurate and completely made up. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to do that. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, I will say our locker room is really close.
Speaker 1: If there were guys that had issues, in hindsight, I
Speaker 1: wish we could have just talked about them. But again,
Speaker 1: I don't know how that all happened and everything with that.
Speaker 1: Whence quote created friction within the offense, he owns up
Speaker 1: to some of that. Your thoughts was I fairly been
Speaker 1: trying to get a read on this story where it
Speaker 1: seems like when it turns out like when he was
Speaker 1: coming into the league, we all knew he was a
Speaker 1: very intelligent guy, and most intelligent people are strong minded,
Speaker 1: and I think this is what's going on there. He
Speaker 1: is a strong minded person who wants to do things
Speaker 1: his way, and some of the veteran teammates don't think
Speaker 1: maybe he's earned that that he should do more what
Speaker 1: the coaches say and not what Carson Wentz says. So
Speaker 1: I think that's the gist of it. And it's sort
Speaker 1: of like a mixture that people complaining are receivers who
Speaker 1: didn't get the ball because he was locked onto zach Ertz,
Speaker 1: and seems to me some team leaders who just want
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz to start paying attention to the coaches more
Speaker 1: and stop kind of like free versing and join his
Speaker 1: own thing in the pocket. I think in some cases
Speaker 1: it's a comparison to the leadership skills of Nick Foles,
Speaker 1: which they've dealt with now for multiple games in the
Speaker 1: biggest moments for most of these Eagles players, and nick
Speaker 1: Foles by all accounts, you know, even in his press conferences,
Speaker 1: every time he speaks, it's like Nick Foles really is
Speaker 1: a refreshing character out and he is, but it's like
Speaker 1: they speak in that page, well, well, but it is
Speaker 1: just like it's like I think, you know, landscape wise,
Speaker 1: nick Foles, that's his probably strongest trait and the reason
Speaker 1: another team will take a chance on him. But where
Speaker 1: does he get those leadership skills? It comes from failing
Speaker 1: and overcoming failure and then exceeding, and it's a long
Speaker 1: process and Wens had a chance to go through all that,
Speaker 1: yet he's still a young guy. Totally feel that way.
Speaker 1: And I think also I like what he said. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's he If anyone were to come and critique me
Speaker 1: and say, listen, I saw you do this or I
Speaker 1: think this about you, say okay, but what the real
Speaker 1: bad things about me that you don't know are so
Speaker 1: much worse than what you just predicted about me. But
Speaker 1: you know, Wentz knows that he's got a ways to go.
Speaker 1: And I think he's talking to himself. Called himself a
Speaker 1: type A guy, and when you're a type A guy,
Speaker 1: flaws come with that. It's also the mirror of some
Speaker 1: of your strengths. So I have no problem. You can
Speaker 1: look at every quarterback Marcus Mariota. Are we in love
Speaker 1: with his personality that we see? I'm not. But it's
Speaker 1: like maybe saying that he has a personality, which was right,
Speaker 1: Like if there's an absence of one to me, which
Speaker 1: I would want more in my quarterback. By the way,
Speaker 1: I like Carson Wentz that he said this, it shows
Speaker 1: self awareness all of us. We all have our flaws
Speaker 1: and where we could rub people the wrong way. Ever
Speaker 1: everybody does. And just his role as that QB one,
Speaker 1: the head of that franchise. Not everyone's gonna love you
Speaker 1: all the time. I'm rooting for Carson Wentz. I think
Speaker 1: it's in a tough year for him. Remember that guy
Speaker 1: was the m v P favorite when his knee blew
Speaker 1: up uh in December of I want to see him
Speaker 1: get back. Nick Foles, of course, is no longer in
Speaker 1: the Eagles plans. Um. The NFL network insider Ian Rapport
Speaker 1: reported Saturday that the Eagles were expected to pick up
Speaker 1: that twenty nineteen contract option for twenty million. They did,
Speaker 1: but then Foles had the option to avoid that and
Speaker 1: get out of the deal and become a free agent.
Speaker 1: He did that, so he has to give back the
Speaker 1: money hypothetically that he was given. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there was ever a transaction. Well, it tells you that
Speaker 1: he's in a different place than he was a year
Speaker 1: ago when he was perfectly content to stay with the
Speaker 1: Eagles and then maybe quarterback the first couple of the
Speaker 1: games of the season, and it sounds like now he
Speaker 1: just thinks, I know I'm one of the top quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in the NFL and I want to leave my own offense.
Speaker 1: We will get more into Nick Foles a little bit later.
Speaker 1: It was two billion dollars he had to turn over.
Speaker 1: I'd like I like the idea of like it it's
Speaker 1: in a suitcase, like in pulp fiction, that you open
Speaker 1: it up into the gold light. Something magical is in there,
Speaker 1: and there needs to be him and Howie Roseman. Maybe
Speaker 1: in that Pocono's hideaway that he was banished to temporarily
Speaker 1: under Chip Kelly. That's where they have to meet up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't see a lot of men walking around with
Speaker 1: briefcases and suits back. So it's not like Big Lebowski.
Speaker 1: Where's the dirty laundry, the white That's that's all right,
Speaker 1: all right? Moving on, Yes, we have finally all of
Speaker 1: the new head coaches are in place. The Bengals announced
Speaker 1: Monday that Rams quarterbacks coach Zack Taylor will be their
Speaker 1: next head coach. Uh Taylor will finally finally be the
Speaker 1: man that succeeds Marvin Lewis, fired in January after sixteen seasons.
Speaker 1: Taylor spent two seasons under Sean McVeigh. Obviously, uh Mark
Speaker 1: benefited from the McVeigh shine that has UH really helped
Speaker 1: so many coaches in this league elevate their standing UH
Speaker 1: just by being attached. So here it is a new
Speaker 1: beginning for Cincinnati. But will things be any different? Well,
Speaker 1: and I think they'll be very, very different in from
Speaker 1: the way they look to us, because you've got a
Speaker 1: completely different type of coaching staff here. Marvin Lewis had,
Speaker 1: if anything else, extremely experienced people around him, and I
Speaker 1: want to see how this goes. Zach Taylor has really
Speaker 1: only called plays for a brief stint when the when
Speaker 1: the Dolphins staff blew up and he was playing an
Speaker 1: interim coordinator role and his OC and he's gonna call
Speaker 1: plays there, but his o C has never called plays.
Speaker 1: He's the son of Bill Callahan. Brian Collen has been
Speaker 1: a QB coach, And you know, they went out and
Speaker 1: tried to get Jack del Rio and Dom Capers to
Speaker 1: join as the so called Wade Phillips experienced DC, and
Speaker 1: both of them essentially turned the role down. We don't
Speaker 1: know exactly how that went, but Dom Capers reported this morning,
Speaker 1: are there a lot of coordinator jobs open at this stage.
Speaker 1: If you turned out a job in early February, there
Speaker 1: aren't a lot say about what's going on in sincidentatty
Speaker 1: I've spoken to several Bengals fans over the past week
Speaker 1: because I'm from there and there are a few who
Speaker 1: lived on who live on Tybee. I would put their
Speaker 1: reaction to this higher as sort of a mixture between
Speaker 1: gallows humor and apathy. They're like, wait, we got the
Speaker 1: guy who just called the plays and or who was
Speaker 1: in charge of the quarterback and the super Bowl with
Speaker 1: three points, one of the worst offensive showings of all time.
Speaker 1: He's never called plays except at the University of Cincinnati
Speaker 1: full time. Um, and your little state, you said, with Miami.
Speaker 1: So it's sort of like everybody just expects that, Okay,
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis has finally gone, and they waited years for
Speaker 1: that to happen, and now they bring in this guy
Speaker 1: nobody's ever heard of, and they just kind of assumed
Speaker 1: that the Bengals missed the boat on this. It's funny
Speaker 1: how much the Super Bowl plays into the coaches that
Speaker 1: come from the Super Bowl, because a year prior, you
Speaker 1: had Frank Reich and you had John d Philippo who
Speaker 1: was looked like the next big thing and the super
Speaker 1: Bowl is so much to do with that, and Frank
Speaker 1: Wick probably helps, He probably helped him get that job
Speaker 1: post what had the meltdown in Indianapolis because of the
Speaker 1: super Bowl? And then Zach Taylor by by, you know,
Speaker 1: by comparison looks a little bit like a suspicious high.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting thought. So why so you're saying, I'm
Speaker 1: you know, you might be suggesting, what if you waited
Speaker 1: until after the super Bowl to actually make the decision,
Speaker 1: You have a couple more weeks worth of data to
Speaker 1: to base. I mean, we're gonna talk about someone else
Speaker 1: who looks great coming out of the super Bowl. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: One one last note this posted on the Bengals Twitter account.
Speaker 1: UM Zach Taylor comes up to Andy Dalton and says,
Speaker 1: I've been following you since your days at TCU. I've
Speaker 1: watched a ton of tape on you, sexy. Get that
Speaker 1: Dalton tape out. Well, Marvin Lewis is an idiot. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna miss that, you know now. I feel like, now
Speaker 1: that he's gone, I don't need to sit on that
Speaker 1: opinion for much longer? Is it should we retire the
Speaker 1: drop officially today, it feels like maybe this is the
Speaker 1: time I'd be willing to. I think it's gotta be timely,
Speaker 1: and I don't I'm not sure that he's an idiot
Speaker 1: doing what he's doing. He's probably gonna replace like Al
Speaker 1: river Ron or something. So maybe we should keep it
Speaker 1: in the chamber just in case, but we could put
Speaker 1: it in temporary. Let's keep it around ntil we have
Speaker 1: more information. Yes, someone came out very well from the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl is Brian Flores, the Patriots defensive coordinator UM who,
Speaker 1: along with Bill Belichick, cooked up a killer game plan
Speaker 1: that shut down the Rams and the Super Bowl. And
Speaker 1: a day later, What a week for this guy, He's
Speaker 1: introduced as the new head coach of the Miami Dolphins. UH.
Speaker 1: It was his first season as the de facto d
Speaker 1: C for the Pats. UH and New England allowed less
Speaker 1: than sixteen points a game in their final six games,
Speaker 1: including all three playoff games. So it's the opposite. Talked
Speaker 1: a little bit about this on the Sunday night Super
Speaker 1: Bowl Show, but since my voice stopped working, I don't
Speaker 1: know if anybody actually understood what I was saying. But
Speaker 1: last year, Matt Patricia gives up six hunder total yards
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl and then the lines introduced him,
Speaker 1: and you can imagine behind the scenes are like, uh,
Speaker 1: the right decision. The Dolphins the totally opposite experience, who
Speaker 1: now must think that they have the next Wizard West
Speaker 1: on the sidelines to coach d I would say this
Speaker 1: about the difference between Matt Patricia and Brian Flores, that
Speaker 1: Matt pitt Beard that is obvious. Yes, he was always
Speaker 1: the guy. Patricia was like the long term right hand
Speaker 1: man to Belichick on defense, and that seemed to be
Speaker 1: the reason why he was placed in this role where
Speaker 1: he would get interviews. Brian Flores interviewed with people last
Speaker 1: after last season and impressed the hell out of him
Speaker 1: in those interviews. So he was a guy already talked about.
Speaker 1: Is it's a matter of when not if, this guy's
Speaker 1: gonna get his own team because he's that impressive as
Speaker 1: a leader of men. And then to go out and
Speaker 1: do it in the Super Bowl, And I don't care
Speaker 1: about parceling out the credit between him and Belichick. They
Speaker 1: did it together and Belichick is busy during the game.
Speaker 1: At some point Flora's is calling those plays. I think
Speaker 1: He's earned it, and it's gonna be interesting to see
Speaker 1: him bringing the wide receivers coach for the Patriots Chandos
Speaker 1: Shay as the play caller on offense to see how
Speaker 1: he does as well. DC is also running a ton
Speaker 1: of meetings during the week and working individually with players
Speaker 1: in a way that the head coach often isn't, so
Speaker 1: his fingerprints are all over it. UH. In other Dolphins news,
Speaker 1: UM Ryan Tannehill is a figure of mystery UH in Miami.
Speaker 1: After years as the supposed franchise answer. UH, it is
Speaker 1: now unclear where he will be in two thousand nineteen.
Speaker 1: It's unlikely potentially be the Dolphins. That Miami's press conference
Speaker 1: on Monday, UH Dolviins general manager Chris Greer told reporters
Speaker 1: that while no decision has been made on Tannehill Jesse yet,
Speaker 1: the Dolphins will definitely consider selecting a quarterback in this
Speaker 1: year's draft. How high in the draft is not clear.
Speaker 1: Here's what Greer had to say. We haven't gone through
Speaker 1: the process of getting to learn the guys yet. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of good prospects. We spent some time
Speaker 1: with the Senior Bowl and other quarterbacks that weren't there
Speaker 1: that people were talking about as well. We may get
Speaker 1: through the process and fall in love with a couple
Speaker 1: of guys. Last year, we like two guys a lot,
Speaker 1: and they have both had good success this year. That
Speaker 1: was believed to be Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen. It
Speaker 1: could be that point where we may say, hey, we
Speaker 1: feel this is the guy. Um it certainly sounds like
Speaker 1: and we're hearing out there west that again. It seems
Speaker 1: like it happens every year. Now it could be as
Speaker 1: many as four quarterbacks going in the first round. Uh.
Speaker 1: It seems like the Dolphins are ready to pounce on
Speaker 1: one of these young qbs. All of the reports out
Speaker 1: of Miami, including one report from a reporter who has
Speaker 1: been known to have ties to the Dolphins owner, suggest
Speaker 1: they fully intend to move on with from Ryan Tannehill
Speaker 1: because he has a cap number that's over twenty million
Speaker 1: and they don't think he's worth that right now. There
Speaker 1: it's there's Armando Selgaro from the Miami Herald, who has
Speaker 1: you know, he goes out of his way to take
Speaker 1: care of the Dolphins when they are not up to snuff,
Speaker 1: and he's that's the one with the ties Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: he's he's some one of the guys I trust, and
Speaker 1: he basically wrote this piece that I thought it was
Speaker 1: pretty interesting. He thought that the Dolphins were setting the
Speaker 1: table too, in his words, doing an organic tanking, not
Speaker 1: like throw games, but like they are not they've been
Speaker 1: big guys in free agency that they're going to go
Speaker 1: the exact open organic tanking that that phrases on my radar. Well,
Speaker 1: that's fine, but they're they're gonna dump Tannehill. They're not
Speaker 1: gonna go after foals, they're not gonna go after ted
Speaker 1: A Bridgewater, and they're basically in theory, if it's not
Speaker 1: this year's draft class, they're trying to get the best
Speaker 1: quarterback in next year. Organic is like lipstick on a pig.
Speaker 1: Organic tanking. No, that's just tanking, bro, It's called rebuilding.
Speaker 1: Like if that's a that's a nice word to use.
Speaker 1: But if you decide to let go your moder you're
Speaker 1: you know, efficient to okay quarterback, not go get anybody else,
Speaker 1: and not sign anybody in free agency that can improve
Speaker 1: the team, there's nothing organic about. It's just you're deciding
Speaker 1: to try to go three and thirteen. Well, the only
Speaker 1: thing I would say that. I would say more teams,
Speaker 1: more teams should do this, because I will never be
Speaker 1: happier about anything than that owned sixteen season that kept
Speaker 1: the Browns with the locked in at the number one pick.
Speaker 1: In Baker Mayfield verse, you win two or three stupid
Speaker 1: games at the end of year and you're taking a
Speaker 1: defensive tackle while everyone tell else takes the quarterball. I
Speaker 1: agree with that, but it's just the term. Would you
Speaker 1: rather have somebody say organic tanking or have Todd Bowls
Speaker 1: lie to you when you're obviously rebuilding and say we're
Speaker 1: not building. I well, we are of different minds of that.
Speaker 1: I think Todd Bowles was trying to win games. I
Speaker 1: think uh ownership and the front office were on a
Speaker 1: different page, but than the coach who was trying to
Speaker 1: save his job. I still believe that, but they must.
Speaker 1: They had to tell Bryan Flores then this is the plan,
Speaker 1: like you're you're you're good this year. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: be one and done when it's one and done. And
Speaker 1: that's the difference between Bowls and Florida's Bowls. Was in
Speaker 1: the middle of that that whole mess, Floras gets to
Speaker 1: coming on the ground floor that's a fair, fair comparison,
Speaker 1: all right, fair breakdown. In other news, the Raiders what
Speaker 1: a mess um in terms of their playing situation. They
Speaker 1: won't be moving to Vegas until at least and they
Speaker 1: have an issue because things have really fallen apart in
Speaker 1: Oakland at I always struggle with the name of that statement.
Speaker 1: Oakland Alameda, Alameda, Alameda County. Yes stadium, anyone that lives
Speaker 1: in Alameda County apologies. Anyway, things are going well, uh
Speaker 1: with the Raiders and that facility. Uh. And one option
Speaker 1: that popped up where with the Raiders play in twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen was the home of the San Francisco Giants at
Speaker 1: Beautiful Ballpark now called Oracle Park. That's gross west the
Speaker 1: pack Bell, right, which was a great name. What's wrong
Speaker 1: with Oracle? That sounds sort of I know, but I
Speaker 1: hate when stadiums that, especially ones that are well known
Speaker 1: like the popular stadiums, changed their name, and it's like,
Speaker 1: what the hell is an Oracle Park? Do not be
Speaker 1: smirched the name Oracle in front of a great soothsayer
Speaker 1: like Mark Well, I could just think of a lot worse.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a couple that are just like that,
Speaker 1: doesn't that do not roll off the time. Now, say
Speaker 1: what you will about my love of New York Yankees,
Speaker 1: but they have left billions on the table their Yankee stadium.
Speaker 1: They're not going to change that. These stadium names. What's
Speaker 1: up with that? Corporations? Says man earning paycheck from NFL. Well,
Speaker 1: Yankees have a little bit more money than some of
Speaker 1: these other baseball teams, if you want to get into that.
Speaker 1: Just a tan. They do very well financially anyway. So
Speaker 1: the Niners are not going to be playing though at
Speaker 1: Oracle Park. Rap Sheet report it um the Niners who
Speaker 1: are involved in this mess are not expected to waive
Speaker 1: their territorial rights for the Raiders. UM, and it leads
Speaker 1: to more kind of indecision here. The team will likely
Speaker 1: play in Oakland at Alameda County or at levi Stadium
Speaker 1: where the where the Niners play. UM. So this situation UM,
Speaker 1: which is really grim up there. There's all the just
Speaker 1: in decision and it can't be fun as a Raiders
Speaker 1: fan or anybody connected to the franchise. Just uncomfortable. I'd
Speaker 1: say it's going to Levi's Stadium. But I still always
Speaker 1: feel with the Raiders because if this were happening like
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh or Green Bay, where it's like we're leaving,
Speaker 1: but we're gonna hang around Green Bay for the next
Speaker 1: two years. The Raiders fans feel to me and come
Speaker 1: up with another that they're the one fan base that
Speaker 1: seems sort of like completely unaffected by this, where they
Speaker 1: still sell out games and last year was an absolute
Speaker 1: abyss and a terrible watch from wire to wire, and
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna they're gonna do the same in Vegas.
Speaker 1: It's like you go to a sports bar in l
Speaker 1: a And there's more Raiders fans than Rams fans. These
Speaker 1: are the lost years for the Raiders. I mean, next
Speaker 1: year is gonna be miserable. They have a horrible team
Speaker 1: and now they don't even know where they're gonna play.
Speaker 1: This is like, just get us to Las Vegas already.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why you sign, you know, Gruden to tenure contract,
Speaker 1: because it's got to be this all in mentality. Yeah maybe,
Speaker 1: And I'm ignorant, but I'm just guessing the reason the
Speaker 1: Niners would block playing at the Giants facility but host
Speaker 1: in their own building is just the revenue that would
Speaker 1: come from those home games. Just I guess otherwise why
Speaker 1: would they block that. It's also a weird look because
Speaker 1: you were the team that played in Candlestick Park for
Speaker 1: so long and now you'd be your you know, Levi Stadium.
Speaker 1: We know from that Super Bowl trip is not exactly
Speaker 1: like one stop away from North Beach in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: Nice to make up for your lack of Bay Area geography.
Speaker 1: That shows that you really get the region when you
Speaker 1: mentioned North Bay, North Beach and there a few times.
Speaker 1: The Falcons are making some moves. UH. They made their
Speaker 1: run to the Super Bowl ended tragically. UH could not
Speaker 1: get back to the Big Game in the past two years,
Speaker 1: and now there's changes coming to the rosters. Some guys
Speaker 1: that have been around for a long time. We'll start
Speaker 1: with cornerback Robert Alfred, the thirty year old defender is
Speaker 1: being let go. Mike Garifolo reported um uh he was
Speaker 1: due eight and a half million in twenty nineteen. That
Speaker 1: saves the Falcons was eight million in cap space. UH.
Speaker 1: The Falcons in an era or in his season where
Speaker 1: so many teams are flushed with cash and the salary
Speaker 1: cap keeps going up, they are in in trouble on
Speaker 1: the salary cap. They have UH. Projected just about fourteen millions,
Speaker 1: so they need to free up some space and to
Speaker 1: do that they will also say goodbye to Matt Bryant,
Speaker 1: the forever kicker Um and Brooks read the defensive end
Speaker 1: pass rush. Brooks Read also being let go Matt Ryan,
Speaker 1: who is wants to play and and and play an
Speaker 1: eight teamh season, but after ten years, the Falcons are
Speaker 1: saying goodbye to him as well. Uh, that's aves almost
Speaker 1: three million against the cap. So the Falcons, it looks
Speaker 1: like west Um after what was really a disappointing year,
Speaker 1: they want to make some changes to their roster and
Speaker 1: they have to get creative because they don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of money to do it. These are these are
Speaker 1: the kind of guys that get caught in the analytics
Speaker 1: movement where it the NFL says, we don't pay our
Speaker 1: middle class so veterans who are you know, borderline progress stoppers,
Speaker 1: which all of these guys are. We can get a
Speaker 1: young player to approximate their production and pay them a
Speaker 1: lot less money, and that will allow us to go
Speaker 1: out and buy free agents, make trades, or at least
Speaker 1: have the um the leeway to do that. One note
Speaker 1: on Robert Alfred. He's the one who met with us
Speaker 1: after the Falcons beat the Rams in that playoff game,
Speaker 1: and he was on the up and up, very healthy,
Speaker 1: a lot of good seasons with the Falcons, and since
Speaker 1: speaking with us last year, he went out and out
Speaker 1: of thirty two players on the Falcons defense rated by
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus, was ranked. So my takeaway is for
Speaker 1: all the players that spoke with us at Super Bowl Week,
Speaker 1: prepare yourself for what might be a down here, because
Speaker 1: I would blame us for that. We also talked to
Speaker 1: Robert Woods at the l A Calcium after the divisional playoffs,
Speaker 1: and uh, let's be honest, he didn't have a huge
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, had the best year of his career. He
Speaker 1: did until until and then it's from here on out.
Speaker 1: We're not allowed to say this. I don't even know
Speaker 1: if I should say this, but it's so annoying to
Speaker 1: me that I'm not. I can't keep it inside. A
Speaker 1: star player in the NFL uh declined or got out
Speaker 1: of a scheduled interview with the Around the NFL podcast
Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl, citing and overwhelming nature of too
Speaker 1: many of us and only one of him. Now did that? Man?
Speaker 1: You know I can't say I respect much anymore. He
Speaker 1: was you know, did that individual that football player? No
Speaker 1: the curse? If he did, I suddenly give him a
Speaker 1: lot of credit. Yeah, that's great. Now I can't get missed.
Speaker 1: You know. He actually didn't cancel the interview. He said
Speaker 1: he didn't want to speak to any of us, but
Speaker 1: he would speak to some one else who he recognized
Speaker 1: from television. We can't say anything else. Well, are we
Speaker 1: in the clear arc? As long as we're not, we
Speaker 1: don't get too specific. I don't even know who it is,
Speaker 1: but I have a good guess after the way you
Speaker 1: described it. All right, that's what's happening, uh in the news?
Speaker 1: Do you have any more of a Fred says, I
Speaker 1: would love to hear just a little bit more Mike
Speaker 1: on the topic. They and everybody around me, including the
Speaker 1: women around me, were waiting for the halftime show, said,
Speaker 1: oh was that terrible? Nobody liked it. Gladys night, big Ovation.
Speaker 1: The girls before them who sang the American beautiful big
Speaker 1: Ovation ruined five keep your shirt on and keep your
Speaker 1: day job. That he was that was that was terrible?
Speaker 1: I mean, that wasn't bad. All right, here we go, Um,
Speaker 1: did you like the halftime show, Erica, what did you
Speaker 1: think of it? It was okay and it wasn't justin Timberlake.
Speaker 1: My one thing is it's you know what you you
Speaker 1: know of them, like what Maroon five is. They gave
Speaker 1: you exactly what they are, so higher soon else to
Speaker 1: do it? Like? Were they different than how Maroon five
Speaker 1: normally is the same? They did their job on Saturday night.
Speaker 1: I saw food fighters the Direct TV party. They have
Speaker 1: a ton of respect in the industry. Everybody loves like
Speaker 1: their brand of rock. They'd be perfect halftime show. But
Speaker 1: I don't know, It's just it seems like there's not
Speaker 1: enough communication. Speaking of justin timber Lake, Ricky, you came
Speaker 1: on the Throwback podcast that just went live today Thursday
Speaker 1: where we broke down the seminal two thousand six album
Speaker 1: Future Sex, Love Sounds with Bob and myself. So I
Speaker 1: checked that out. What was Erica's drink of choice in
Speaker 1: the in the garage? Nothing? Actually, I was doing sober January.
Speaker 1: It was the worst mistake I've ever made in my life.
Speaker 1: Not only do you not drink liquor, and you know,
Speaker 1: the old juser had a few vocas, had a couple
Speaker 1: of pops um, we got some Fiji water. We got
Speaker 1: our fancy water. She declined that too. It was almost
Speaker 1: We had them all set up on his bar. It
Speaker 1: looked very pretty and he was like, look, I got
Speaker 1: this Fiji water. And I was like, damn, like your
Speaker 1: little mini bar looks so cute with these Fiji waters.
Speaker 1: Like leave that for you. That's so nice. And I said,
Speaker 1: if you really want me to drink it, will drink it.
Speaker 1: But I just figured for the next girl you like
Speaker 1: lock in the garage, she might need the Fiji You know,
Speaker 1: by the way, next time you're on the show, Aquafina
Speaker 1: for you all right, here we go off season. Storyline
Speaker 1: is worth tracking and one's the fast forward. This is fun.
Speaker 1: So Mark, yes, you are a type of man when
Speaker 1: it comes to the NFL. If you could fast forward
Speaker 1: a lot of things, you would, but let's start off
Speaker 1: with one that you would not. Something you like and
Speaker 1: you're into. I would not fast forward the every year
Speaker 1: you get that surprise trade that kind of blows people away.
Speaker 1: And even in our news from sometimes when the the
Speaker 1: people across the room get the first wire train transmission
Speaker 1: and it starts to spread and spread, and where we
Speaker 1: find out what it is and everyone's chattering. Then there's
Speaker 1: always the guy who ten minutes later like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: did you do? It's like an idiot, bro, We all
Speaker 1: know we're in a newsroom, you fool. I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be had to guess. I have this feeling that
Speaker 1: Derek Carr is going to be shipped out of town
Speaker 1: in a trade because there are even though what you
Speaker 1: can sider, all these like quarterbacks out there that people
Speaker 1: can chase after I could see someone buying in a
Speaker 1: car in a different way than say Joe Flacco age
Speaker 1: wise and stuff, and making a compelling argument in their
Speaker 1: own organization to wheel and deal with the Raiders, who
Speaker 1: I still feel like are looking to cut deeper on
Speaker 1: their roster organically, and then they have the number four pick.
Speaker 1: You can get what there are I think legitimately three
Speaker 1: quarterbacks out there that could go high, and if they
Speaker 1: got if you had grew little. I think if Bruden
Speaker 1: fell into one of these, it fell for one of
Speaker 1: these guys, then I I don't know. Maybe Derek Carr
Speaker 1: and Gruden got along much better than we realized. Some
Speaker 1: people there are recent reports said that you don't realize
Speaker 1: how well that they worked together. That's fine. That feels
Speaker 1: very February is to me. But we'll find out some
Speaker 1: surprise trade. I felt like he improved throughout the season
Speaker 1: with John Gruden and by the end of the season,
Speaker 1: John Gruden was raving about him. Um, so it'll be
Speaker 1: interesting to see, like how much of that early season,
Speaker 1: you know, speculation that he's out of there versus the
Speaker 1: late season kind of mending offenses which one wins out
Speaker 1: the Raiders. Just as a reminder, have the fourth overall
Speaker 1: pick mentioned that, but it's good to refresh that knowledge
Speaker 1: for the Yeah, just in case you missed it, they
Speaker 1: picked fourth overall. Cardinals one nine Ers, two Jets, three Raiders,
Speaker 1: four Bucks five. Um. Who in that group needs a quarterback?
Speaker 1: Nobody before the Raiders. But I do think there is
Speaker 1: ripe trade up scenarios. Go absolutely could see that happening.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, to your point, where does car end up?
Speaker 1: That's fun to track. Where does um uh? Where do
Speaker 1: the potential trades happen in the draft teams that are
Speaker 1: desperate to move up, that's always fun. I'll throw one
Speaker 1: out there because it's another quarterback. Nick Foles is free agency.
Speaker 1: I am I'm really fascinated to see what kind of
Speaker 1: market this dude ends up commanding, because there are two
Speaker 1: ends of the spectrum the way I see it, reading
Speaker 1: the tea leaves of uh, you know where we're at
Speaker 1: in free agency coming off two thousand eighteen. Is he
Speaker 1: gonna be case more case Keenum or more Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: And a case can be made that he'll probably end
Speaker 1: up somewhere right in the middle, I think, But would
Speaker 1: it would be crazy because there's so many teams that
Speaker 1: need a quarterback, teams like the Dolphins, that Broncos, the Raiders,
Speaker 1: the Redskins, all those types of teams, and then a
Speaker 1: mystery team that has fallen in love with what they
Speaker 1: saw from Nick Foles in the playoffs the last two
Speaker 1: years that could drive up the market. Could Nick Foles
Speaker 1: end up getting Kirk Cousins money, which is as we know,
Speaker 1: um kind of blanking on it. Now, what was it
Speaker 1: three years for this like nine million guaranteed million, all guaranteed?
Speaker 1: I call it too much good? Nick Foles end up
Speaker 1: commanding something in that realm, and what teams are going
Speaker 1: to go hard from. I know everyone is connecting him
Speaker 1: to the Jaguars right now, and that makes a ton
Speaker 1: of sense, obviously, but don't be surprised if he ends
Speaker 1: up going somewhere a where not everyone kind of expects,
Speaker 1: and that will be fun to watch. What do you
Speaker 1: guys think about folds in his market and who could
Speaker 1: be the leader in the clubhouse. I do think he's
Speaker 1: gonna get closer to Cousins money than case Keenum. I
Speaker 1: think that what a gamble that would be. He proved
Speaker 1: it two years in a row, um and I think
Speaker 1: when you hear the way his coaches and teammates speak
Speaker 1: about him, I no longer think of a think of
Speaker 1: him as a guy who's a product of their system
Speaker 1: like I did a year ago. I think of him
Speaker 1: now as a field general, a guy who can go
Speaker 1: to wherever they have talent and win. So I could
Speaker 1: see him going to like Jacksonville and winning. I mean
Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport men last month and he thought it was
Speaker 1: a very real possibility that the Eagles still go the
Speaker 1: route of franchising him so they can direct where he
Speaker 1: goes and working within two because if you lose him
Speaker 1: in free agency, it sounds like next year's draft you'd
Speaker 1: get like about a third round compensatory pick. So you
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to trade him for anything lower than that,
Speaker 1: but you can also make sure. And there's two NFC
Speaker 1: East teams which need a quarterback, and you want to
Speaker 1: keep him out of your division, And everyone sort of says, well,
Speaker 1: why are we assuming Jacksonville. It's hard. There aren't that
Speaker 1: many teams that need a quarterback. It's not like years
Speaker 1: past where they're like ten teams reshuffling under center. Jacksonville
Speaker 1: makes a lot of de Filippo's there too, I mean,
Speaker 1: assuming they have a good relationship, there's just a need
Speaker 1: there that he would fit. It's funny too, like when
Speaker 1: you mentioned that there are less teams that seem to
Speaker 1: be on the hunt, just the fact for the first
Speaker 1: time in decades, you kind of take the Jets and
Speaker 1: Browns out of it, who are always Oh, you could
Speaker 1: have those teams in there, they're always gonna be looking
Speaker 1: for a quarterback, and then New Pepper in five or
Speaker 1: six others. Let's really a smaller group uh this year. Um,
Speaker 1: So we'll see where Nick falls ends up. I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to tracking that West. What are you looking forward
Speaker 1: to tracking? Well? I was gonna say, what do the
Speaker 1: Jaguars do at quarterback. But we already covered that, so
Speaker 1: I will say headlock. Watch how the New York media
Speaker 1: handles the inevitable clashing between Adam Gaze and Greg Williams.
Speaker 1: One of them is going to have the other in
Speaker 1: a headlock at some point. That that is true. Wait,
Speaker 1: so but you're looking forward to that. I think you
Speaker 1: don't like this. One's delicious. One is delicious, and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for did you hear that? There's already dramas there?
Speaker 1: We already got something cooking. Greg Williams has a son.
Speaker 1: I think he was in Hard Knocks. I think we
Speaker 1: saw him. He was calling the place for the Browns
Speaker 1: defense at the end of the Blake Williams, I believe Blake.
Speaker 1: Apparently when Greg got hired by the Jets, uh, he said,
Speaker 1: I want to bring on my son onto the staff.
Speaker 1: The Jets hesitated on it because apparent Blake rubbed some
Speaker 1: people the wrong way. I wonder where we can learn
Speaker 1: such a thing, and that led to Greg being like, yo,
Speaker 1: come bro, let me put my son on the team.
Speaker 1: He's my coach that has the most potential that I've
Speaker 1: ever has ever been on my staff. And the Jets
Speaker 1: eventually relented and they're like, all right, you could put
Speaker 1: Blake on the team. But already this was according to
Speaker 1: Rich Tomini of ESPN, there was a little bit of
Speaker 1: heat between the Jets and Greg Williams. Uh and Uh. Yes,
Speaker 1: Adam Gaze, who apparently doesn't take guff behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: Imagine if Blake and Greg start acting up, Greg with
Speaker 1: three gs and then Gaze and he's got those eyes
Speaker 1: fire and he's he's all angry. Yes, there could be
Speaker 1: a steel chair involved, steel chairs, headlocks, there could be
Speaker 1: a suplex off the second turn knuckle. Uh. I am
Speaker 1: obviously concerned about the potential for um the circus coming
Speaker 1: to town. There's no way as a Jets fan, your
Speaker 1: your heads in the sand if you don't think that
Speaker 1: this potentially could be risky. But again, as the rarest
Speaker 1: of Jets fans, the optimistic one, I kind of like
Speaker 1: Gaze that Greg Williams thing. I understand it could be
Speaker 1: a volcanic and I'm concerned as you should be. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, how about one we want to fast forward? Mark, Well,
Speaker 1: for me the obvious, let me give you two quick ones,
Speaker 1: because one is anything to do with the Browns over hype.
Speaker 1: I just want to get to September, because I would
Speaker 1: just say it's not it's an uncomfortable place where they're
Speaker 1: probably gonna get too many primetime games. And to me,
Speaker 1: they were a team that were eighth and turnover differential
Speaker 1: positively last year and I don't see that continuing. And
Speaker 1: I just think you have to be patient that maybe
Speaker 1: not everything is suddenly perfect and we have Tom Brady
Speaker 1: specifics here. What are you not looking forward to? What
Speaker 1: I'm not looking forward to? Actually, every time you turn
Speaker 1: on like the draft coverage is like, well, the Browns
Speaker 1: did a really nice job last year. How are they
Speaker 1: going to follow up this year? And they've got obviously
Speaker 1: their quarterback for the future. Is too much pretty talk,
Speaker 1: and I start to get paranoid at something Brown. I
Speaker 1: meant that I thought you're talking to the Steelers, know
Speaker 1: the Browns. The brown Yeah, that was my first one.
Speaker 1: That the second one is anything to do with the
Speaker 1: Steelers at all, because we I cannot believe we are
Speaker 1: junior Steelers at the beginning of us or am I
Speaker 1: going crazy? Did you start by talking about the Steelers?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just another small bit of proof that
Speaker 1: Dan is not listening to anything I'm saying at all.
Speaker 1: You know, Charlie Brown with the parents talks like want,
Speaker 1: w want Walt Well, dam is fully expecting you to say,
Speaker 1: I did not want to hear anything about Antonio Brown.
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about Levy On That is
Speaker 1: That is my other strong feeling, because I just for me,
Speaker 1: I get the Antonio Brown thing, but it's already excessively
Speaker 1: tiresome because we just we don't need we don't need
Speaker 1: to know. Figure out what you're gonna do, and do
Speaker 1: it and if it's gonna be another team, make it happen.
Speaker 1: I don't need five weeks of speculation every time anyone
Speaker 1: talks about it. Bang, it's news. But levy On Bell
Speaker 1: the the amount of coverage we're going to spend on
Speaker 1: a player who willingly did not play a snap of
Speaker 1: football last year, I don't need that at all, don't
Speaker 1: need it. I think he's obviously gonna get paid a
Speaker 1: ton of money. People are saying, you get Todd Gurley money.
Speaker 1: I know my Jets are potentially involved. I'm nervous about
Speaker 1: Levan Bell uh taking a year off and maybe not
Speaker 1: being quite as explosive as he was the last time
Speaker 1: we saw him when he was with the Steelers. Is
Speaker 1: he can all of a sudden step back in and
Speaker 1: be the twenty four year old lady on Bell. We
Speaker 1: remember the Antonio Brown thing. I do disagree with you.
Speaker 1: He's a little bit unsufferable, uh Brown with the Shenanigans.
Speaker 1: He's not my favorite player in the league. But one
Speaker 1: thing that's undeniable the past six yearies that six years,
Speaker 1: he's averaged a hundred and fourteen catches, twenty yards eleven
Speaker 1: t d s every year average over the last six years,
Speaker 1: and you could you can argue s that this is
Speaker 1: the most impactful free agent to hit the market if
Speaker 1: that ends up happening, whether it's through trade or through
Speaker 1: free agency, since Peyton Manning like he is that special
Speaker 1: and he's still in his prime. So to me, that's
Speaker 1: that would be exciting to watch because wherever he goes,
Speaker 1: he transforms the offense. I could not, I mean disagree
Speaker 1: with that at all. Of course, he would be the
Speaker 1: number one impact player changing teams. It's more my where
Speaker 1: I get into it is I don't need any of
Speaker 1: this hamlet routine from the Steelers. That's where not like
Speaker 1: we already saw it with Big Ben However, many years ago,
Speaker 1: when when he was supposedly gone and they were getting
Speaker 1: rid of him, and then he's right back where he was, Like,
Speaker 1: you don't need another rooney Magazine interview where he waxes
Speaker 1: on whether they can make it work as a family.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't mess with the Rooney's. They are
Speaker 1: class acts. They run a great operation. I just don't
Speaker 1: want to hear about their Hamlet thing going on. I
Speaker 1: got you. I like that the Hamlet thing, Willie weroning Son.
Speaker 1: The first part that I was talking about was the
Speaker 1: Browns and the second part was about the Pits, And
Speaker 1: I apologize, I just step on it. And to your
Speaker 1: Brown's commentary, I get why you would feel that way,
Speaker 1: because everyone and their brother is going to pick the
Speaker 1: Browns to win the a f C North. It's just impossible.
Speaker 1: It's unavoidable. And for the first time, mark in your
Speaker 1: fandom in like twenty years or maybe more, quite frankly,
Speaker 1: maybe thirty five years, um, they're gonna be seen as
Speaker 1: a favorite in their division, which seems a little crazy,
Speaker 1: but I get the optimism. How you do them, By
Speaker 1: the way, Baker Mayfield canceling on us on our NFL
Speaker 1: Dot com Super Bowl show that kind of over everything
Speaker 1: that happened at the super Bowl. At this point, we
Speaker 1: I think we talked about this, but literally two minutes
Speaker 1: before we were about to be live with Baker Mayfield Mayfield,
Speaker 1: we found out he wasn't going to join us, and
Speaker 1: I saw the light go out in Mark's eyes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with the bigger issue. I had to examine this, like
Speaker 1: my more um irritant. The bigger irritant there was that
Speaker 1: I didn't get like that selfie with him that would
Speaker 1: have like been a huge part of my behind the
Speaker 1: scenes you know, on the interviews. Fine, there was even
Speaker 1: talked to the point where he would be stage left
Speaker 1: or stage right. How would Mark maneuver with his mic
Speaker 1: and his ear set up to get to Baker and
Speaker 1: you have like this is for the first time we
Speaker 1: got a little bit of like good you know, real
Speaker 1: um talent treatment. I thought it's super Bowl this year,
Speaker 1: where if we had an issue, there would be like
Speaker 1: to too many people like joining the conversation to see
Speaker 1: how can we help. Like when I came down with
Speaker 1: the cold, two people came up to me and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I had like two vials of medications
Speaker 1: sent to my hotel. But one girls like you must
Speaker 1: be taking Elderberry. She she's also correct. And then and
Speaker 1: then with Mark, Mark was like, I hope I get
Speaker 1: a selfie Baker And they're like three people surged over
Speaker 1: and started like drawing up like a blueprint about how
Speaker 1: we can make it work on this. They all, you know,
Speaker 1: one one thing about they like, you have your ranking
Speaker 1: of people you work with. They all shot up my
Speaker 1: rankings each with each attempt to help. They're like, they
Speaker 1: are shooting into my top ten, my top five, they're
Speaker 1: now my one two three loved they were taking me.
Speaker 1: Dan and Gregg. Oh, I mean you guys couldn't care
Speaker 1: less for that happen. They were like, we're going to
Speaker 1: make this happen. Uh. David Singer was a huge about
Speaker 1: a good guy. David Singers, all right, I want to
Speaker 1: fast forward gronks retirement decision. And uh, it's not just
Speaker 1: because I don't like the Patriots. It's it's more that
Speaker 1: like Gronk, let's face it, he doesn't know what nine
Speaker 1: times seven is, but he has a team that is
Speaker 1: very savvy. They run the Gronk brand like it's a fortune.
Speaker 1: So whatever this decision will be whether Gronk returns for
Speaker 1: his age thirty season or not, it will be done
Speaker 1: with maximum leverage in mind, maximum marketability. Whether it's a
Speaker 1: primetime special or an appearance on SNL or this or
Speaker 1: that or a slim jim Ad campaign, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a whole circus around it, I think either way, and
Speaker 1: it's probably a player's tribute essay. I imagine that will
Speaker 1: be in the fix some essay, some most grand intern
Speaker 1: that's on the Gronk staff le right, and of course,
Speaker 1: but one thing I do know also is that whatever
Speaker 1: it happens, whether he retires and frees up cap space
Speaker 1: uh and the Patriots make a move, or he stays
Speaker 1: with the team and his body ends up being as
Speaker 1: healthy as ever, it's gonna work out perfectly for the Patriots.
Speaker 1: Just tell me what it's gonna be back or not back,
Speaker 1: and spare me all the the hamlet routine. You don't
Speaker 1: need to procession in the ribbons and and every off
Speaker 1: season any anything else was you got one I do?
Speaker 1: I really racked my brain on what exactly would be
Speaker 1: the height of like me getting so angry that I
Speaker 1: throw throw my hat across the room and then send
Speaker 1: off like an angry message on our text chain. And
Speaker 1: here it is, how are Aaron Rodgers and Matt la
Speaker 1: Flour getting a law? Has Matt Laflour earned Aaron Rodgers trust?
Speaker 1: And the corollary is Bruce Arian's gonna unlock Jamis Winston's talent? Like,
Speaker 1: how is that relationship going? No? When the games start,
Speaker 1: then we'll know. I don't want to hear any of this.
Speaker 1: You're not a psychiatrist, you're the reporters. You're not an
Speaker 1: expert on the relationship. I don't want to hear any
Speaker 1: of it until September and October. I mean you would
Speaker 1: have to kidnap roughly for hundred to five hundred beat
Speaker 1: writers and television people to silence that those two tedious
Speaker 1: media war cries. Let's see when the game's happen, how
Speaker 1: the relationship is going. It's every year there's always some
Speaker 1: new coordinator slash coach and some quarterback that's never reached
Speaker 1: his potential, and it becomes very sturdy the headline. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking back to Chicago a few years ago with Adam
Speaker 1: Gaze and Jay Cutler. You could go through the years.
Speaker 1: There's always gonna be that one subplot and this year
Speaker 1: we're we got a couple. Yeah, Like you can't possibly
Speaker 1: know the answer, so why even try to speculate, um
Speaker 1: anybody else? I'm good. I don't need, by the way,
Speaker 1: I don't need the Giants plan of attack with Eli
Speaker 1: thing either, Right, I can tell you exactly what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna go get one of these guys on
Speaker 1: the market because they're probably gonna be around the same
Speaker 1: as what Eli would give them at the stage, and
Speaker 1: they're probably not gonna take a first round pick for
Speaker 1: a quarterback, so they'll probably take a second or third rounder.
Speaker 1: If Elie bombs, they'll put in the second or third rounder,
Speaker 1: and when he doesn't quite come around immediately, if he doesn't,
Speaker 1: they'll organically tank and uh probably end up with that
Speaker 1: Clemson kid. I can totally see it, because like the Patriots,
Speaker 1: everything seems these teams that are in my orbit as
Speaker 1: a human being, the Patriots and the Giants, these are
Speaker 1: the teams where things tend to work out. Uh, We'll
Speaker 1: watch the Clemson kid be on the Giants and two
Speaker 1: years I got another one. Ye all right, cowboys, we
Speaker 1: don't need your hamlet routine, which shan Lee like we
Speaker 1: got with des Bryant last year. Either cut him or don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm totally with you on that, Sean Lee. With the
Speaker 1: the the writings on the wall, we know he's not
Speaker 1: the future. What don't you send him free? We'll just
Speaker 1: do it right now. If you love him, said, we're
Speaker 1: gonna do the designate him a post June first. No,
Speaker 1: just get rid of the only positive. The only positive
Speaker 1: is that, no matter how annoying that got, it could
Speaker 1: never possibly be more annoying than how whole des Briant
Speaker 1: thing went down. Okay, we'll see you. And I feel
Speaker 1: bad for Des and he was one of my favorite
Speaker 1: players in his prime. The constant does injury updates. Who's
Speaker 1: going to give him a chance to sign? I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily need that, but I do like that. So that
Speaker 1: was just a connected to spare me the Hamlet routine.
Speaker 1: All right, that's it, good talk. Let's say the Santa
Speaker 1: Property property Captain till Gregg gets back. Let's welcome to
Speaker 1: the studio here. Um a giant of the industry, and
Speaker 1: I mean that just physically. Um Nick shook there. He
Speaker 1: is Ohio state pull over sweatshirt. We learned while we
Speaker 1: were at Super Bowl that Nick had taken a job
Speaker 1: with his favorite team in the world, the Cleveland Browns,
Speaker 1: where he'll be a content creator of some kind. He's
Speaker 1: going to clear it up right now what exactly he'll
Speaker 1: do with the Browns. But he's leaving us. We're sad
Speaker 1: but also happy for him, Nick Shook. Welcome one more
Speaker 1: time to the Around the NFL podcast. This is at
Speaker 1: Lisa as an employee here. Yeah, this is the first
Speaker 1: time I've sat in Greg's chair. Small space he's got
Speaker 1: over here. It's fine, it's perfectly manages. It's perfect for him. Shuck.
Speaker 1: You're you're joining the Browns. You're moving back to Ohio. Uh, congratulations.
Speaker 1: What what prompted the decision? Uh? Well, as many of
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not a full time employee here, and yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not great with that. Now, that's it's kind of
Speaker 1: a struggle at times. And uh so, you know, obviously
Speaker 1: always looking for an opportunity to continue to develop and
Speaker 1: grow and all those catch you know, all those buzzwords
Speaker 1: and catch phrases and everything else. But you know, sincerely
Speaker 1: and uh came across this opening and you know, kind
Speaker 1: of pursued it and interviewed and and was off for
Speaker 1: the job and happily accepted. Uh, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: my it's my team. I grew up rooting for and
Speaker 1: as you guys know, through me and Mark's painful segments
Speaker 1: last year and that's painful segments this year, have struggled
Speaker 1: with for years, and um, it's a perfect situation, I think,
Speaker 1: in a great fit. Uh. It was a staff writer
Speaker 1: opening I'll be doing. I'll be a digital content coordinator,
Speaker 1: which is more than just a staff writer, and uh
Speaker 1: so I'll be get my hands in a little bit
Speaker 1: of everything, but also covering the team in a day
Speaker 1: to day basis, working from inside the facility for the
Speaker 1: team for Cleveland Browns dot com. Uh doing you know, radio, podcasting,
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. That's also I was writing.
Speaker 1: And it'll be a lot of fun. West. Do you
Speaker 1: think this settles the debate internally about who is the
Speaker 1: bigger Browns fan? Shook the Sessler yester. I don't think
Speaker 1: it settled it because I've read Mark's what can be
Speaker 1: termed literally love letters to his favorite organization, the Long Forms,
Speaker 1: and if that is an evidence of like fanatical psychosis
Speaker 1: involving loving a football team. I mean, it's it's a
Speaker 1: window open. It's a window into a mind of somebody
Speaker 1: who truly does obsess and love this team. It's organic.
Speaker 1: So Nick, I mean, I know you're working for them,
Speaker 1: but I don't think you've overtaken market. That's fine, I'll
Speaker 1: take a second. It's a significant step, though, You've taken
Speaker 1: a major step in that competition, if it is one.
Speaker 1: Because now like every time, you know, I tried to
Speaker 1: and I had a few people here and they're close
Speaker 1: to the team that I could could attempt to get
Speaker 1: information from. Now I can't do that with Nick. But if, like,
Speaker 1: if any time I and that happens, they're just gonna Nick,
Speaker 1: You're gonna hit him up all the time, publicly and publicly.
Speaker 1: I would never acknowledge that. Here's the question. The Browns
Speaker 1: have that great facility and Barrera Um, I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's it is built on an ancient Indian burial ground,
Speaker 1: So be careful with that. You gotta wear one of
Speaker 1: those bone necklaces will be safe. But I'm sure they
Speaker 1: have an incredible jim as all NFL facilities do. Do
Speaker 1: you have access to their workout? So here's the thing, Uh,
Speaker 1: they used to. From what I understand, they used to,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh express, let's let this ride. We don't
Speaker 1: need to let it right. We should have recorded this
Speaker 1: with me in the gym. You hear a lot, you
Speaker 1: hear a lot more. You know, breathing is important to
Speaker 1: lifting weights. That guy's doing it wrong. But no, they
Speaker 1: from what I understand, they used to allow their employees
Speaker 1: to use the same facility weight lifting facility as as
Speaker 1: the team, and decided when they renovated the building the
Speaker 1: last few years to build an employee gym. And it's
Speaker 1: very nice. I stepped through it when I was on
Speaker 1: the tour and it was a big selling point for
Speaker 1: Gonna stay yoked. Of course, imagine shook Um going into
Speaker 1: a job interview. I mean so impressive physically, it's like,
Speaker 1: are you here for the football side or you're doing
Speaker 1: I mean he's built his body into a god statue.
Speaker 1: There's no no, I'm just gonna say that we are
Speaker 1: really happy for you, Nick, and you did amazing work
Speaker 1: for us um filling in whenever we needed a hand
Speaker 1: with extra eyes. And you're so good watching the game
Speaker 1: and you get the game, and you get the offensive line.
Speaker 1: You love the trench warfare, which is not enough people
Speaker 1: that really are into that stuff. So the Browns are
Speaker 1: very lucky and uh we lost a good one and
Speaker 1: shook thank you. I appreciate it, and this office are
Speaker 1: getting better at evaluating talent. I was gonna say, like,
Speaker 1: do you know the Pretender's song I went back to
Speaker 1: Ohio but my city was going pretty famous song and
Speaker 1: before this year, that would have been my takeaway. You know,
Speaker 1: you're going back to Ohio and your city has gone,
Speaker 1: but it's been resurrected. Buddy, You're getting in at the
Speaker 1: right time. That's what everybody says, right. That's the same
Speaker 1: two comments everybody it makes, which is good, which means
Speaker 1: a your brand is on point because everybody mentions the bod.
Speaker 1: And then they also say it's it's a perfect time
Speaker 1: to go work for this team. And that's the vibe
Speaker 1: I got when I was there. So I'm very excited. Awesome, Uh, Nick,
Speaker 1: best of luck. Let's stay in touch. Hopefully we'll see
Speaker 1: you at all the big tent pole events will be
Speaker 1: in and uh also, um, before we go, just the
Speaker 1: happy trails to Camelina who lots easy shok, you gotta
Speaker 1: breathe in in through the nose, out through the mouth, uh. Camelina,
Speaker 1: who has been such a great help to us working
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, helping Erica with all sorts of production
Speaker 1: UH duties. He also he made the mistake of stepping
Speaker 1: to Erika UH at certain points and challenging her authority.
Speaker 1: And you could read between the lines here why he's
Speaker 1: with the company and now he's buried under Giant Studios
Speaker 1: exactly next to Jimmy Hoffa. But Cameron Malina, he's a
Speaker 1: great dude. He did great for work work with us.
Speaker 1: He has a better voice than any of us. So
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna end up on this side of the
Speaker 1: glass eventually, I would guess. But I hope Cam comes back.
Speaker 1: Another victim of some of the hiring practices here and
Speaker 1: the difficulty getting a full time job. He deserves one.
Speaker 1: Who hope Cam comes back because he was a great
Speaker 1: lift to the show as well. This is like our
Speaker 1: free agency. We're losing one of our great fill in
Speaker 1: sidecast guys, and Nick, we're losing Cam I mean word, Next,
Speaker 1: here's Jaguars. We do clear a lot of cap room
Speaker 1: with show. You had a lot of room to spend.
Speaker 1: Now all right there, you go Shock Goes Off into
Speaker 1: the Sunset and we will be back with another show
Speaker 1: on Monday, but back to three times a week next week.
Speaker 1: Uh So check us out on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday
Speaker 1: with a Twitter show every week as well. Dan Hands
Speaker 1: is signing off for Quiet Storm. The Mailman Nick Shook
Speaker 1: headed to Cleveland, put him on a mural on a
Speaker 1: big side of a building, and Ricky Hollywood behind the
Speaker 1: glass Jil Monday,