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Speaker 1: road on it. Welcome to another edition of the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansas and I
Speaker 1: am joined in a room filled with some heroes. Chris
Speaker 1: Westley to my left, Greg Rosehal to my right. What
Speaker 1: is up? Boys? Hey? Dan? Are you forgetting someone? I mean,
Speaker 1: when you are a special guest of the pod, you
Speaker 1: get this separation introduction and the man the embryonic stages
Speaker 1: of this very podcast. It began. I thought you were
Speaker 1: going to introduce the six time champion Anna, Anna, all right,
Speaker 1: I guess it's cool to have six Yes, you know
Speaker 1: the voice, it's unmistakable. That's Dave Damask of the Dave
Speaker 1: Damas Check Football Program. He is sitting in the Sessler
Speaker 1: chair this week or a Monday, Sessler is away with
Speaker 1: the family. Dave, thanks for rejoining us on the show.
Speaker 1: Hand zeus the boss west What a pleasure to see you.
Speaker 1: Rick behind the glass. Happy braded birthday? You are you
Speaker 1: okay with Rick? I mean Ricky Hollywood, but a little
Speaker 1: bit Rick Hollywood who celebrated her twenty something birthday. Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't know when when women, when it becomes a
Speaker 1: thing where you gotta you can careful seven. Fine, Uh,
Speaker 1: you were aware of the twenty Fine, it's teetering on
Speaker 1: the edge of over the hill. But it's the reason
Speaker 1: she corrected me is just like I don't want people
Speaker 1: to think I'm twenty nine is something, and I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 1: just newly is very good. Um, she and her mid
Speaker 1: or her late twenties, that's the real question. I think
Speaker 1: we know. The answer has proven to be the prime
Speaker 1: year for sports careers. That is the prime said. I
Speaker 1: have to say, in my personal experience in life, I
Speaker 1: only started to figure out how to like have some
Speaker 1: fun in my twenties when I got around twenty seven.
Speaker 1: When I wasn't, I wasn't I was less of a wreck.
Speaker 1: It was a bit of a mess. From like twenty seven,
Speaker 1: I started figuring out a little bit, I think. But
Speaker 1: you seem to have already figured things out. Yeah. Yes,
Speaker 1: have like four different nicknames. So it's like yeah, but
Speaker 1: also if I this is like really morbid. But if
Speaker 1: I don't die this year and I'm not in the
Speaker 1: twenty seven club, then that means I'm just like a loser.
Speaker 1: So either way you win, you win. Mind staying a
Speaker 1: lot true, true, but I guess you guys are all
Speaker 1: here that in the game. Can you name anyone in
Speaker 1: the twenty seven club Amy Winehouse, Kurt Cobain, Uh, Jim Morrison, Um,
Speaker 1: and there's a third one from that air seven years
Speaker 1: of right. But think of it this way, as as
Speaker 1: as one of my pals always points out, you have
Speaker 1: six years until you're Jesus age. After that, it starts
Speaker 1: to get embarrassing. Look at all that Jesus did at
Speaker 1: thirty three before he went out, Like now, I'm so
Speaker 1: far past that. This My life has been an You
Speaker 1: never had a Fishes in Love's moment. No, no, I didn't,
Speaker 1: not yet, not yet. And Ricky had a big party
Speaker 1: on Friday in West Hollywood for me, and I know
Speaker 1: you didn't take offense, so it never was on my radar.
Speaker 1: Once the weekend hits in February after the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: I'm locked into dad mode. But apparently West who doesn't
Speaker 1: have kids yet. Um, I've already laid out your schedule
Speaker 1: for your life, which I've been on track with your marriage,
Speaker 1: your engagement, your marriage, and you're gonna have a kid
Speaker 1: by next May as well, so you need to knock
Speaker 1: all this stuff out so you were in West Hollywood,
Speaker 1: maybe the oldest man of the bar. Let's be honest,
Speaker 1: there's no doubt. Like one woman claimed to be the
Speaker 1: oldest person at the party, and she was at least
Speaker 1: a dozen years younger. She was at that Jesus age
Speaker 1: and I'm turning forty five in a week. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was I. I texted just that I'm too old for this.
Speaker 1: You don't want, you don't want. I called the bar
Speaker 1: and they said I was too old to get in,
Speaker 1: and I said, that's weird because it's my friend's house.
Speaker 1: And then he was like, oh, I was like, that's
Speaker 1: even worse. You know what, I've never noticed about West
Speaker 1: but with the white beard now in and it is
Speaker 1: just about fully white, plus you have the bald head.
Speaker 1: You are in a nice spot, which is that you're
Speaker 1: sort of like Sparky Anderson or Jim Leland or um,
Speaker 1: what's her name, Angela Landsberry who at a certain age
Speaker 1: it just leveled. And you say they stayed that age
Speaker 1: for the next forty years. Do you know what I
Speaker 1: call that? The Steve Martin All Stars, The Steve why
Speaker 1: Dave Martin, Oh, the Steve Martin All Stars exactly right,
Speaker 1: there's no yeah that I'm totally with you with the
Speaker 1: West Well, my fiance for me as I was going
Speaker 1: through chemo, that I might be the only person who
Speaker 1: got better looking through cancer. Isn't that sweet? Found the
Speaker 1: one with that one? Yeah? So Checks with us. Dave
Speaker 1: Damas check Football program is also part of the Adam
Speaker 1: Crowl universe. I lose track of all the projects you
Speaker 1: have cooking, but you have good sports over there, and
Speaker 1: then you have your show. Your buddy Feeney Daves of
Speaker 1: Sports is on Adam Corolla showed daily and yes, the
Speaker 1: Dave Damaschik Football Program. Before I even met Show, a
Speaker 1: couple of my friends from like high school and growing
Speaker 1: up in the Check I mean Check. Before I met Check,
Speaker 1: a couple of guys from my neighborhood were huge Daves
Speaker 1: of thunder fans and I had never even heard of Check.
Speaker 1: So I mean that that podcast has been a Phoenie
Speaker 1: is a great yin to Check's yang. I've said that
Speaker 1: to Check. It's great to hear two buddies, and he
Speaker 1: Phoene kind of keeps Checking in order a little bit,
Speaker 1: which I've tried to do. It's impossible nobody can keep
Speaker 1: Check in order. Phoene seems to keep you a little
Speaker 1: bit reined in like aust does to Jelnick. Same dynamic
Speaker 1: on his show. Right, you respect him, you respect Phoenie,
Speaker 1: but you don't respect us to keep you in line.
Speaker 1: I thought, why, I don't even know what that. That's
Speaker 1: a greg that's great, right, that's everything. My Patriots beat
Speaker 1: the Steeler. You can't talk all right, A lot to
Speaker 1: get to today. Uh, speaking of those Patriots, those damn Patriots.
Speaker 1: At some point, the Patriots dynasty will end. Uh. And
Speaker 1: if it does, I'm not saying when. If it does,
Speaker 1: who would be most likely in the NFL to be
Speaker 1: the next dynasty? Because we go through the years. Check
Speaker 1: and you know this, well, you had the Packers, you
Speaker 1: had your Steelers, you have the Cowboys, you had the Niners,
Speaker 1: you had the uh Cowboys again, are we gonna give
Speaker 1: them the second dynasty? Oh? Certainly, I mean had as
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, had Jimmy and Jerry not had
Speaker 1: their falling out, I think we would regard that as
Speaker 1: the greatest dynasty of the Super Bowl era. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess with the Patriots now notwithstanding, but up until that,
Speaker 1: by the twentieth century, yeah, I think that would definitely
Speaker 1: is a little bit underrated as we look back on
Speaker 1: how dominant that early night Cowboys team was. That's true,
Speaker 1: and of course now the Pat's in the twenty one century,
Speaker 1: who will be next? There will be someone, maybe someone
Speaker 1: other than the Patriots. We'll talk about which teams could
Speaker 1: that could be and also on the other side of it,
Speaker 1: some teams that have been competitive. A lot of this
Speaker 1: I brought up just to talk about the Steelers, teams
Speaker 1: that have been competitive for many years that maybe now
Speaker 1: are in danger of falling off the cliff taking a
Speaker 1: relevance dirt nap, I'll put it that way. What are
Speaker 1: some teams out there do you think the Steelers may be?
Speaker 1: They came to mind and I figured, oh, checks here,
Speaker 1: maybe if we talked about that, we'll see where she
Speaker 1: falls on that iman nothing personal, but before that, so
Speaker 1: we are going to talk about them as being okay.
Speaker 1: Before we do that, though, let's catch up on the news.
Speaker 1: We're here tonight with music's most valuable players to present
Speaker 1: a very super award best Pop Duo or Group Performance.
Speaker 1: They get Julian Edelman there and they put it in
Speaker 1: the prompter there most Valuable musicians. Super there you go,
Speaker 1: super Bowl MVP. I mean it's one of the great exciting,
Speaker 1: you know, exciting part of winning the Super Bowl. As
Speaker 1: you get to go present on the Grammys five days later,
Speaker 1: you know that it does seem to happen. I think
Speaker 1: that's like the second time Edelman's been there, and you
Speaker 1: like and you get to you know, I DV yard
Speaker 1: Julia like, who is hot? We compare him with Okay McCarthy,
Speaker 1: we'll do that was a little weird, but uh, you know,
Speaker 1: is that weird? He's had a better career than Edelman.
Speaker 1: It's fine. Um, Julian Edelman on Ellen. I got that
Speaker 1: on the DVR and I put one of those save
Speaker 1: until delete status because when they shaved that beard, that's great.
Speaker 1: What fun that was. You've been you weren't tracking Julian Edelman.
Speaker 1: I'm just surprised you put I didn't know he was
Speaker 1: on Ellen, but I am surprised that you put save
Speaker 1: until I delete on that show. I just loved it
Speaker 1: so much. I can't get off of it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I didn't receive those t shirts finally today from the
Speaker 1: Edelman so I like that. That was nice. That's very
Speaker 1: nice of them. So you didn't feel the same way
Speaker 1: I didn't. I threw it in the trash and then
Speaker 1: poor died Coke all over it. But you know, I'm
Speaker 1: just done with the Patriots that right. You really spoiled
Speaker 1: it so that he couldn't go dumpster diving his own.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he did it and then put it, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't just like a personal satisfactor and he wanted
Speaker 1: to let the world know. So he's sent it out
Speaker 1: and some people just like to watch the world burn.
Speaker 1: That's where I'm at emotionally. All right. Let's start with uh,
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns always in the news, uh it seems
Speaker 1: now and a big, big signing on Monday. Kareem Hunt
Speaker 1: is going to get a second chance at his NFL
Speaker 1: career with the Browns, who announced Monday they're signing the
Speaker 1: free agent running back. Hunt, the two thousand seventeen rushing leader,
Speaker 1: was cut abruptly UH in late November after a video
Speaker 1: surface of the running back shoving and kicking a woman
Speaker 1: during a February two, eighteen incident at a Cleveland hotel.
Speaker 1: Should be edit here. The league has yet to finish
Speaker 1: the investigation into Hunt's investigation. Rap Sheet reported Hunt. Uh
Speaker 1: is facing a baseline six game suspension. Uh, so you
Speaker 1: knew he was gonna probably land somewhere just because he's
Speaker 1: too good and he's too young. And that's just the
Speaker 1: way this business works, and all businesses really, by the way,
Speaker 1: I don't think you know, if you're really good at
Speaker 1: what you do, you tend to get second chances, even
Speaker 1: if maybe you don't deserve one. But check the Browns
Speaker 1: are the team that decide to go all in your
Speaker 1: initial thoughts on the signing, um, it's as we were
Speaker 1: talking just before we got going here, the uh, the NFL,
Speaker 1: as you say, all businesses, it is representative and a
Speaker 1: reflection of any other industry. And Dorsey has an existing
Speaker 1: relationship with Kareem Hunt. I think that's the key detail
Speaker 1: there for him to be able to say I believe
Speaker 1: in this guy because I have known him for a
Speaker 1: number of years. It's self validating as much as it
Speaker 1: is um a fitting a personnel need that I don't
Speaker 1: even think that the Browns needed to have overarching the
Speaker 1: The initial feedback is not necessarily great, but um my,
Speaker 1: my main reaction from a football standpoint is, is this
Speaker 1: something you had to do? Um? If if you didn't
Speaker 1: know the kid, you probably wouldn't have done it, Dorsey.
Speaker 1: I mean they didn't have to. Roster wise, That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. They have. They have Nick Chubb, who and
Speaker 1: pff Adam as one of the top four or five
Speaker 1: just pure run or is in the NFL last year
Speaker 1: and at the very least he looks like a really
Speaker 1: good starting running back. Duke Johnson's on the roster. But
Speaker 1: you're right that they know Hunt and like it's a
Speaker 1: cold blooded business that he was going to be back
Speaker 1: in the league whether you like it or not, because
Speaker 1: of where he was in his career, and partly because
Speaker 1: of the reputation that he had in Kansas City with
Speaker 1: the people that he worked with, that that they experienced
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt as a guy that they saw as a
Speaker 1: core player that they were going to build around, that
Speaker 1: was like a leader for their team. And so I
Speaker 1: think the way football people like Dorsey think is he
Speaker 1: made this mistake, He's made all the steps since then
Speaker 1: as good as possible, and I know him, I'm going
Speaker 1: to give him a job. Well. I think most of
Speaker 1: us agree that people should get second chances, and I
Speaker 1: think that we gained understanding of ourselves and others through
Speaker 1: mistakes and setbacks and difficulties and looking in the mirror
Speaker 1: and showing remorse. And I don't know. He's being investigated
Speaker 1: for three different, three different things by the NFL, so
Speaker 1: this doesn't seem like a one time thing too. On
Speaker 1: the other hand, John Dorsey's statements said, we've done our
Speaker 1: due diligence. Uh. This is a man who's shown remorse,
Speaker 1: He's gone to programs to help him with his anger management.
Speaker 1: He has done the work. I guess I have to
Speaker 1: take John Dorsey at his word that this guy's worth
Speaker 1: a second chance. He's worth they put it. He knows
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt a lot more than I do. But that
Speaker 1: that the fact that they're investigating three different scenarios with
Speaker 1: him does not leave a good taste. It's a more
Speaker 1: talented roster on Monday afternoon than it was Monday morning.
Speaker 1: So from that standpoint, I get it. The Chubb thing
Speaker 1: is interesting because if you had a glaring hole at
Speaker 1: running back, I would that would make me think, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna roll the dice here and and hopefully this
Speaker 1: doesn't blow my face. With the Browns, though they seem
Speaker 1: pretty well set up at the position. I don't quite
Speaker 1: get the risk, but he is. He is a stud player.
Speaker 1: I think in their mind there is almost no risk
Speaker 1: because they're willing to live like obviously they don't want
Speaker 1: anything to happen off the field again. But I think
Speaker 1: in their cold blooded calculation, they think, we're barely investing
Speaker 1: in this guy. You know, money, Yeah, he's he's on
Speaker 1: a rookie contract. I mean they don't have to pay
Speaker 1: him almost anything. And he's awesome. I mean, he's awesome
Speaker 1: at playing NFL football. So there's almost no risk when
Speaker 1: it comes to that, and then they accept whatever risk
Speaker 1: it is that he might get them and try you
Speaker 1: know what. I hate to get up on malpious and
Speaker 1: I hate to damn with faint praise, but it is.
Speaker 1: It is worth taking a second that in the middle
Speaker 1: of the hottest team in the a f c UM,
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs, right in the middle of what
Speaker 1: looked like a championship run for them this past season,
Speaker 1: that they said they made the very hard decision that
Speaker 1: just say yep, goodbye, We're not going to have that
Speaker 1: in our organization. I think they're to be be hailed
Speaker 1: while everybody today is busy saying tiss tisk, Browns not
Speaker 1: enough praise for the for the Chiefs in that moment
Speaker 1: doing a making a big move like that. Well check
Speaker 1: the last time you were on this show, we talked
Speaker 1: about Antonio Brown and the fact that there are teams
Speaker 1: in the NFL who would not want him on their
Speaker 1: roster period. But John Dorsey sort of the flip side
Speaker 1: of that. This is the guy who drafted Tyreek Hill,
Speaker 1: Demetrius Harris in Kansas City. He drafted Caleb Brantley and
Speaker 1: Antonio Callaway last year with the Browns. He's gonna take
Speaker 1: chances on guys who have bad reputation. And I think
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, to their credit also, we're thinking we're in
Speaker 1: the middle of a chance to win a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: here and they didn't want it being part of the
Speaker 1: whole story that they had to deal with. I mean,
Speaker 1: it kind of saved them the trouble of how having
Speaker 1: to deal with all of that. Let's move on. Kyler Murray,
Speaker 1: quarterback UH drafted ninth overall by the Oakland A's UH
Speaker 1: in the MLB Draft last year. UH played his senior year.
Speaker 1: He's a quarterback at Oklahoma, wins the Heisman and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he has a decision to make, and
Speaker 1: he has now decided officially that he's all about football.
Speaker 1: On his social media on Monday, he announced that quote,
Speaker 1: move going forward. I am firmly and fully committing my
Speaker 1: life and time to becoming an NFL quarterback. So he's
Speaker 1: working out with trainers, getting that football body going for
Speaker 1: the combine. So add another big name check to the
Speaker 1: quarterback ranks. I'm already seeing a report out there that
Speaker 1: the Giants think his hands are too small. It is
Speaker 1: that time of year. But enter Kyler Murray into the
Speaker 1: Miximan Heisman Trophy winner. I think that, uh, listen, he's
Speaker 1: he's very small. I know that we got over. I
Speaker 1: think as a society now we've gotten over that you
Speaker 1: can be six ft and still be a capable NFL quarterback.
Speaker 1: Five nine is close to five ten. People say he
Speaker 1: levels right at five. It's the weight that he's pounds
Speaker 1: compared to like Baker Mayfield and Russell Wilson being in
Speaker 1: a two fift twenty range. I still don't even buy
Speaker 1: Mike Vick is a six footer. I've stood next to
Speaker 1: the guy, but I mean the the you know, the
Speaker 1: arm and arted on my Instagram forever the Wheels. I
Speaker 1: like him as a fit for a team that need
Speaker 1: that has a crummy offensive line in the short term,
Speaker 1: at least you drop them behind there that can negate
Speaker 1: those guys who can who can run away from pressure
Speaker 1: for the first couple few years of their career. I
Speaker 1: think he's fine as an NFL guy. And I talk
Speaker 1: about this time of the year. Uh hands juice, this
Speaker 1: is the time of the year where we have to
Speaker 1: indulge this. I don't know if Kyler Murray, if he's
Speaker 1: a first round draft pick, he's gonna be a first
Speaker 1: round draft pick. Let's stop on sense. Of course he's
Speaker 1: gonna be in the first round. Page he would be
Speaker 1: the first guy ever Benver would be a great spot
Speaker 1: for that guy with that defense, He's the first. If
Speaker 1: it happens, he'd be the first ever drafted in the
Speaker 1: first round of MLB in NFL uh in the same year,
Speaker 1: which is pretty amazing. Speaks to his athleticism. And as
Speaker 1: a jetsman, Jets pick and third, I want as many
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in this mix because for the first time and forever,
Speaker 1: we're not looking for a quarterback. So if anybody wants
Speaker 1: to trade up as a team that has a lot
Speaker 1: of roster deficiency, Come on up to the third pick.
Speaker 1: I got Kyler Murf you want well rap, she said.
Speaker 1: When he talked to people in early December, they were
Speaker 1: saying second or third round. When he talked to them,
Speaker 1: you know, a day or two ago. Now they're thinking
Speaker 1: late first round. But like checks said, they always fly up.
Speaker 1: The Christian Ponder went in the top ten, right, I
Speaker 1: mean there were different points early on when you know,
Speaker 1: like October December where r G three wasn't necessarily a
Speaker 1: first round pick. Where I'm trying to think of Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz when when Jeremiah put him in the top ten
Speaker 1: and his first mock draft, people are like what and
Speaker 1: he ends up going number two. So it always happens.
Speaker 1: It always happens like that. It turned out Blake was
Speaker 1: a reach. It is a pretty big unique It is
Speaker 1: a unique decision though, to give back four and a
Speaker 1: half million dollars, which is what he's doing. He's giving
Speaker 1: back one point three, which he already got and he
Speaker 1: was about to get another another three. So he's making
Speaker 1: that bet. And history says it's actually people kind of
Speaker 1: trying to make the debate like which is better. But
Speaker 1: first of all, you should do whatever you love and
Speaker 1: do whatever you want to do. But financially, like being
Speaker 1: an NFL quarterback is is much safer than than going
Speaker 1: into baseball anyways, of course, because look at Drew Henson,
Speaker 1: former Michigan quarterback. We split time with Tom Brady and
Speaker 1: who was from the time I've been watching sports the
Speaker 1: golden boy of college athletes. Like nobody was a was
Speaker 1: a more hype to sports star than Drew Henson and
Speaker 1: made it to the majors for a cup of coffee
Speaker 1: and barely ever made any money as a Major League
Speaker 1: Baseball player, even though people were he was a top
Speaker 1: ten prospect for the Yankees. Um and and this Murray
Speaker 1: uh news is gonna lead to changes to MLB and
Speaker 1: because what happens is these the MLB teams don't get
Speaker 1: a chance to really um compete with what the NFL
Speaker 1: can offer and what's it's gonna cost The A's a
Speaker 1: top ten pick, which is obviously it's it's not as
Speaker 1: glowing as it is in the NFL because you get
Speaker 1: drafted in the NFL and you're in the league and
Speaker 1: making an impact immediately. Baseball takes a couple of years,
Speaker 1: but still there's a I think a rule change on
Speaker 1: the table already that that would allow MLB MB teams
Speaker 1: to hand out um actual like competitive contracts to these
Speaker 1: kids that get drafted. Uh, it would be the Kyler murder.
Speaker 1: That's full for for the athletics. Though there it's not
Speaker 1: like history doesn't have a lot of evidence of guys
Speaker 1: saying like, Okay, I've mastered this sport, you still have
Speaker 1: my rights, right, I'll show up a right meaning I'll
Speaker 1: see right, he says, I'm not good at I mean,
Speaker 1: there's not that many of these players anyways. I mean,
Speaker 1: how often does this have Jeff Marja? So Marja? I
Speaker 1: mean that was like the last one I can think
Speaker 1: of at this level. What about the guy that got
Speaker 1: lost on the American flag in Cleveland? Brandon Weed, Alway,
Speaker 1: Chaz Ward Um, Brian bo Dion Ban. Yes, of course
Speaker 1: he's the one people forget about. He was good at both.
Speaker 1: He was good, that's right, Brian. About Tom Brady Catcher Montreal,
Speaker 1: Rono drafted him, Canny played both. Uh yeah, I remember,
Speaker 1: like maybe it was like three or four Super Bowls
Speaker 1: ago when they were already out of stuff to talk
Speaker 1: about the Patriots, Like, you know, Tom Brady could have
Speaker 1: been a baseball player, I mean six ft four catch.
Speaker 1: We've covered every possible angle of the Tom Brady Patriots.
Speaker 1: Everything's been covered. I'm fine just like not covering them,
Speaker 1: and I say, well, here's a hot take for you,
Speaker 1: if you want me to say one more thing. I
Speaker 1: feel like the last three months, the last two months
Speaker 1: even have in the ongoing debate that that has raged
Speaker 1: in society, not like since nature versus nurture, belichicker Brady.
Speaker 1: I think it now is it's fairly clear it's it's
Speaker 1: more Belichick than Brady. Right, It's like I don't think
Speaker 1: that at all either. But I do agree that it
Speaker 1: was a it was a great super Bowl for Belichick.
Speaker 1: I did think about it. Brady has had some exactly
Speaker 1: Eric Reid, he's sticking around with the Panthers. Uh. He
Speaker 1: signs a three year deal where twenty two million UH,
Speaker 1: the safety who was out of football UM and then
Speaker 1: signed in September with Carolina. He was connected, of course
Speaker 1: with Colin Kaepernick kneeling of the national anthem UH to
Speaker 1: protest UH police brutality and racial injustice. He gets a
Speaker 1: job with the Panthers, and the Panthers keep him around
Speaker 1: because as soon as he stepped in the lineup greg
Speaker 1: he was every down guy for them. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: rock solid. It chose to like a lot of people
Speaker 1: gave David Tepper, the owner who seemed to push this through,
Speaker 1: a lot of credit for you know, standing up and
Speaker 1: signing him and doing kind of the right thing, which
Speaker 1: which it was, but it was just a smart business move.
Speaker 1: Now they got him locked in. He helped out for
Speaker 1: very little money and it worked out for both sides
Speaker 1: that now he's going to be their safety for a
Speaker 1: long time. He's an NFL starter. Let's talk about the
Speaker 1: A a F guys opening weekend. It's the American Alliance
Speaker 1: of Football. I believe that's what it stands for. We're
Speaker 1: saying about it so far right, just a lot of
Speaker 1: people are just calling it the Alliance. I think it's
Speaker 1: just alliance. People are into that. Um. I My Twitter
Speaker 1: uh mentions were kind of inundated with people asking my
Speaker 1: takes on various players and teams, and I have to say, I, well,
Speaker 1: I host an NFL podcast. I'm not gonna say I'm
Speaker 1: burned down in football, but I don't need to invest
Speaker 1: myself in a second league a week after the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: so I stayed away. But there were some big headlines
Speaker 1: that came out of it, and already the league does
Speaker 1: feel wes that just from somebody that's from an outsider
Speaker 1: that's not digging in, but it already seems that more
Speaker 1: positive buzz than say the XFL ever did. I can't
Speaker 1: go as far back to uh, the old what was
Speaker 1: the Trump League US? I can't go that far back,
Speaker 1: but judging off XFL, I feel like the alliance is
Speaker 1: already in better shape after one week. Well, it does
Speaker 1: seem like people are more positive about it. What I
Speaker 1: think history tells us about all these leagues is the
Speaker 1: things to pay attention to. Our our potential rule change
Speaker 1: is not really the players, Like where did the two
Speaker 1: point conversion come from? The WFL, they had an action
Speaker 1: point um check. Might be old enough to remember the
Speaker 1: dick a rod, which was a first down change. It
Speaker 1: was named after a guy named George Dicker. He came
Speaker 1: up with a chain that was about two and a
Speaker 1: half yards long, but he the way it worked it
Speaker 1: was just as that called a dicker rod. It was
Speaker 1: called a dicker rod. Okay, I remember the fumble Rooski,
Speaker 1: but not a Dick or did they have to bleep
Speaker 1: that out when it was on the telecast. No, they
Speaker 1: showed that dick never really caught on, you know. Replay
Speaker 1: review came from the USFL, Like these are things and
Speaker 1: even coaches. You'll see more coaches um cross boundaries over
Speaker 1: to the NFL, but you won't see I don't think
Speaker 1: you'll see as many players who are going to make
Speaker 1: an impact in the NFL. Christian Hackenberg was a total
Speaker 1: nightmare in his debut UM, so again it doesn't look
Speaker 1: like it was the right move by Mike mccagnan to
Speaker 1: draft him in the second round. Trent Richardson had two
Speaker 1: touchdowns but averaged about a yard and half to two
Speaker 1: yards to carry uh in a win for his team.
Speaker 1: Anything else, Greg, I mean you were a little plugged in,
Speaker 1: not too plugged in in terms of watching, but even
Speaker 1: Super Bowl Week I had come to the same conclusion
Speaker 1: that you just said that this is more of a thing.
Speaker 1: The Alliance is more of a thing, it's more respected,
Speaker 1: it's catching on more, and it just seems better run
Speaker 1: with everything behind the scenes and hiring and everything than
Speaker 1: for instance, the UFL. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: remember that we cover the crap out of that at
Speaker 1: Pro Football Talk, like we thought that was going to
Speaker 1: be a thing or the excell right, was an NBC
Speaker 1: didn't own p f T. Yeah, but Ed didn't know.
Speaker 1: In the UFL, Yeah, the UFL, not the XFL, the
Speaker 1: United Football League which did not last long, which I
Speaker 1: feel like the Jaws League. Jaws was an owner with that.
Speaker 1: Was that the Arena league. He's still in the mix.
Speaker 1: This was like two. Josh McCown played right. This was
Speaker 1: like two, but similar that the NFL was looking at
Speaker 1: it as a possible developmental league, and you mentioned, you know, Dan,
Speaker 1: how they're showing it on NFL network. That's a big deal.
Speaker 1: I think people want a developmental league, and the the
Speaker 1: appetite from fans being so into it is telling five
Speaker 1: days after the season that they're already kind of getting
Speaker 1: into this goofy new league where Steve Spurr, who doesn't
Speaker 1: like seeing Steve spurry or go up and down the
Speaker 1: field on Mike Martz. That's right. The XFL was all
Speaker 1: about novelty people. People rejoiced Marney, the chase to the
Speaker 1: center of the field, to see who got the ball
Speaker 1: first in the XFL. But that's all hokum that that
Speaker 1: wears off quickly. The brilliant move. The first brilliant move
Speaker 1: they made was starting it the week immediately after football,
Speaker 1: while it's still at the tip of your brain. I
Speaker 1: get the hand zous effective. I just ate, this is
Speaker 1: a good time to go to the grocery store, so
Speaker 1: I don't buy junk. But this is football and that
Speaker 1: is an essential food stuff that that is a part
Speaker 1: of all our diets. One two, the CFL missed its chance.
Speaker 1: I said for years they need to go with the
Speaker 1: NFL rules. I don't care what your rules are. What
Speaker 1: you want is to become the feeder to the NFL.
Speaker 1: Too bad CFL. Now it belongs to the Alliance. The
Speaker 1: uniforms look good, great relatively yeah, and could be even
Speaker 1: more relevant if they listened to Damna check to the
Speaker 1: USFL was a great league. Don't lump it in with
Speaker 1: dumb XFL or WUFL or UFL. That was a that
Speaker 1: was a legit league. And I do think West that
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right to be cynical about what we saw
Speaker 1: in terms of talent. Now, but if they could just
Speaker 1: take it nice and steady. By year two, there will
Speaker 1: be more talent in there. I think the tough thing
Speaker 1: that Trump wanted to do that ultimately scuttled the USFL
Speaker 1: was to put it up against the NFL. It's a
Speaker 1: little too soon, but what you wanted to be is
Speaker 1: a feeder league, so therefore you need it to start
Speaker 1: let's say six eight weeks before the NFL season kicks
Speaker 1: off ultimately, But I the NFL's for it, and I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people in the NFL also see
Speaker 1: it like, well, there's more jobs. I mean, there's more
Speaker 1: personnel jobs, there's more coaching jobs. And I think there's
Speaker 1: so many people in the NFL that want to developmental
Speaker 1: league kind of badly, and they don't need to even
Speaker 1: it's their own developmental league essentially, and they don't have
Speaker 1: to pay a time, and they they're so there. They
Speaker 1: have showed no fear in it that we'll put it
Speaker 1: on our own network, will promote it. We wanted to
Speaker 1: be successful because we know it's not a real threat.
Speaker 1: It's perfect real quick. The two rules that I think
Speaker 1: you should keep an eye on the viewers can hear
Speaker 1: the conversation between the official and the people in the
Speaker 1: league office during a replay review. That's pretty cool. And secondly,
Speaker 1: there are no onside kicks. But after you score, you
Speaker 1: can choose to take the ball at your own twenty
Speaker 1: eight yard line and you must get a twelve yard gain.
Speaker 1: There's a lot going on there. You kind of can't blitz,
Speaker 1: which I need to dig in more. But they have
Speaker 1: a lot of defensive rules where it's there's a maximum
Speaker 1: you can't have more than five rushers. I think, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's like, I don't know, I I think it
Speaker 1: could be fun. And it it rated for what it's
Speaker 1: worth higher than the NBA. Let's watch the next two
Speaker 1: weeks and see where those ratings are. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I think that's uh, that's a fair point thing. But
Speaker 1: one one other thing, very quickly is um Over the
Speaker 1: last few months, I've come to realize that as I
Speaker 1: used to always say that that in the world of
Speaker 1: seven billion people, how can't we find thirty two people
Speaker 1: to play quarterbacks effectively in in the NFL, I think
Speaker 1: we now are just about saturated with starters in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I mean that in a good way.
Speaker 1: They're only like five teams that you rightly can point
Speaker 1: out and say, boy, they better fix that QB thing.
Speaker 1: And I think we're about to have an overflow with
Speaker 1: the college kids coming in, this will be a good
Speaker 1: place to send that. I mean, go get your scared
Speaker 1: starting Hackenberg and BERKOVICI but you know, West is all guy.
Speaker 1: He took a tough blindside hit Mart's really the way
Speaker 1: Hackenberg beat out Mettenburger in camp, it looks like Mettenberger
Speaker 1: is probably gonna get a week. I am not joking
Speaker 1: when I say that. All right, let's move on to
Speaker 1: headlock Watch. That's get ready to oh my New York Jets.
Speaker 1: They they are going all in on what I call
Speaker 1: the George Costanza opposite theory, do everything the opposite of
Speaker 1: what they think they should do, which is building a
Speaker 1: staff of people who hate each other and seeing what happens. So, yes, West,
Speaker 1: you you called it headlock Watch last week, and here
Speaker 1: we are the Jets now. In addition to hiring Greg
Speaker 1: Williams and teaming him with Adam Gate, which is volcanic
Speaker 1: that's a good way to um uh, they also hire
Speaker 1: uh Greg williams son Blake, who rubbed some people the
Speaker 1: wrong way and has never had a coaching job at
Speaker 1: this level when his dad wasn't involved. UH. They had
Speaker 1: now added to the staff Joe Vitt. Who's Joe Vitt?
Speaker 1: You remember Joe Vitt? Jove it was a football lifer.
Speaker 1: He was on that Saints UH team that was implicated
Speaker 1: in the two thousand twelve bounty gates scandal and in
Speaker 1: the ensuing hearings conducted by Tags poly tags. You remember
Speaker 1: that they had Polytags running the hearings. What I find
Speaker 1: that was Vit accused Greg Williams of lying in his
Speaker 1: testimony that also said, UH players didn't take Williams, who
Speaker 1: is now the defensive coordinator of the Jets and his colleague,
Speaker 1: UH players didn't take him seriously because of his quote
Speaker 1: false bravado and quote stick. UH Williams was then as
Speaker 1: I I assumed, part of its testimony implicating UH Williams
Speaker 1: led to him being suspended definitely, which ended up being
Speaker 1: an eleven month van Band and Vitt, who was suspended
Speaker 1: six games after bound to get anyway, they're all together
Speaker 1: now in the same Florin Park facility that's going on
Speaker 1: in Rum for the first time since I've known you.
Speaker 1: For the first time in this podcast, like I care
Speaker 1: about the Jets, like I want more Jets news, not
Speaker 1: less Jets news. You're gonna get it, Joe, Antonio Brown
Speaker 1: and Levi Abow. They're really going to complete this delicious Sunday.
Speaker 1: By the way, I don't I don't buy in. Did
Speaker 1: you even mention My favorite twist of all of this
Speaker 1: is Joe Vitt is Adam Gaze's father in law. Why not? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that really means for everything, but
Speaker 1: it's just it. It makes for like another fun episode
Speaker 1: in this drama when like, you know, the daughter comes home,
Speaker 1: she's not happy, he's not happy with the dad, and like,
Speaker 1: can I fire her dad? It's all they now? Are
Speaker 1: they now the number one choice for hard knocks amongst
Speaker 1: this room? Um they mouth again, I can't have Greg Williams.
Speaker 1: He says bad words. It's so hilarious, Jovit's awesome. Though
Speaker 1: you mentioned how he came back, he was he was
Speaker 1: suspended six. That reminded me, do you remember he was
Speaker 1: the co coach that year with Aaron Cromer that they
Speaker 1: had They didn't have a head coach, they had two
Speaker 1: head coaches. Was that with the your job signed in
Speaker 1: the facility with the sun giant face. It was like,
Speaker 1: was like, Joe, put my poster as large as you
Speaker 1: can watching. I said, at least the Jets can look
Speaker 1: at it this way. I used to have a theory,
Speaker 1: jovit should be the permanent interim head coach because he
Speaker 1: did a very entertaining job with the Rams in the
Speaker 1: mid two thousand's and then he did a credible, fun
Speaker 1: press conferences job with the Saints, and he should just
Speaker 1: be like an interim coach for higher So if Adam
Speaker 1: Gates does happen to lose his job early along the way,
Speaker 1: at least you got him in the halfway right. What
Speaker 1: you what you're missing is what's making these Jets are
Speaker 1: so brilliant is that no team has better interim coaches
Speaker 1: ready to replay at him gaze Because Greg Williams took
Speaker 1: the fricking Browns and made him on pace to be
Speaker 1: a ten win team in the second half of last year.
Speaker 1: They're set up. And who else do we add to
Speaker 1: the mix? Oh we got Jimbob Couter, got a coonter
Speaker 1: and Cooters back in the house. Love that Coter. What
Speaker 1: a Patriots is over? Remember when he was going to
Speaker 1: be a head coach and now he's the Jets running
Speaker 1: backs coach. I wonder if um, yeah, that's a fause.
Speaker 1: It happens a lot in the NFL. You gotta build
Speaker 1: yourself back up. Look at your boy, Doug Moron. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was coaching up offensive line. I mean he Cooters
Speaker 1: come back from the pokemono Cooters come back before from
Speaker 1: some setbacks. And just rounding out some coaching news. Jim
Speaker 1: Caldwell he lands with the Dolphins, uh, coaching quarterbacks. Uh.
Speaker 1: And Bob Sutton joins uh the Atlanta Falcons staff. He
Speaker 1: of course most recently was the d C of the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: so he didn't make it there, but he gets a
Speaker 1: chance with Atlanta. Did a great job in the second
Speaker 1: half there. That's Tom Brady. Brian Flores called was one
Speaker 1: of the few non ex patriots. He really was successful
Speaker 1: in taking a lot of the assistance. And another one
Speaker 1: or two left there. They are going to have a
Speaker 1: pretty brand new coaching staff. Who is the number one
Speaker 1: like the Belichick coaching tree. Bill O'Brien Is Bill O'Brien
Speaker 1: the only guy that's found any success from the coach
Speaker 1: from well Saban. You know, I don't count Nick Stage
Speaker 1: coming from the Belichick coaching tree. I mean you could say,
Speaker 1: I would say Saban would would say no coach influenced
Speaker 1: him more certainly not an NFL. You could have Nick
Speaker 1: Saban theodcast He's had an amazing coaching tree. Greg, No,
Speaker 1: he has a terrible one. But you said it was
Speaker 1: his coaching tree. I would considered that. I guess I'm
Speaker 1: not many yeah, not many zero. In fact, I would.
Speaker 1: I I mean, how excited can you be if you're
Speaker 1: a Dolphins guy right now? What I mean, what evidence
Speaker 1: is there is that, oh he learned that the neo
Speaker 1: Belichick We're good. I mean, there's no evidence that that's
Speaker 1: gonna be true. He seems like a unique Oh he does.
Speaker 1: Oh well, Matt Patricia doesn't. Didn't seem unique. I also
Speaker 1: think every man can send on his own. You never know.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying Florence is impressive. I agree. I also
Speaker 1: think if you want to bring in college Nick Saban,
Speaker 1: Charlie Weis said, uh, Notre Dame. It kind of just
Speaker 1: oh yeah. There's been a lot of you know, he's
Speaker 1: got Kirk ference at Iowa, Pat Hill, Fresnes State. He's
Speaker 1: still in my heart, Pat Hill. That's what's happening in
Speaker 1: the news. All right, let's assume the Patriots die. It's over.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, who played not a very good game. Let's
Speaker 1: facing a nice drive there in the fourth quarter, but
Speaker 1: showed his age at times. Lessie isn't Oh West. And
Speaker 1: I had it out on Twitter on Twitter a little
Speaker 1: bit when I said that was a crummy Brady game
Speaker 1: that they survived. He was nails in overtime in Arrowhead,
Speaker 1: but he was not good over the course of that
Speaker 1: regular of the regulation type. The story would have been
Speaker 1: if D four doesn't put his hand off sides, the
Speaker 1: story is one touchdown, three picks father time remains undefeated.
Speaker 1: That would have been the story, whether you like it
Speaker 1: or not. That's what it wouldn't have been, exactly because
Speaker 1: everyone would remember a the last pick came off a
Speaker 1: drop and be he did a lot of good things
Speaker 1: in that game. But to your point, when I went
Speaker 1: back and rewatched it, you're right, the first three quarters
Speaker 1: were up and down, but he made he made a
Speaker 1: lot of plays early in the game. And you can't
Speaker 1: just say, well, if it wasn't for the fourth quarter, well,
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for touchdown drives that he drove when
Speaker 1: he needed. It was a perfect end to the Patriots era.
Speaker 1: If it would have been a drop by Gronk into
Speaker 1: an interception, it was like, well that's the end, and
Speaker 1: it was. But this is the first segment I can
Speaker 1: like reveal my new thing, which is I don't I
Speaker 1: don't even want them to win next year. That's enough.
Speaker 1: You've been saying this since then. Now it started. Now
Speaker 1: it's really true. One. But I've told you before, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell it to again. If you're a Tom Brady guy,
Speaker 1: what you want is after he retires, you want him
Speaker 1: to go six and ten because if if not, then
Speaker 1: that really knocks the luster off of Wait a second,
Speaker 1: I wait, how dare you? But by the way, you
Speaker 1: know what you need to go back? You've ever watched
Speaker 1: a game with Brandshaw? You can't. Can you get Phoene
Speaker 1: on the phone and well exactly, no Bradshaw talk today.
Speaker 1: I don't want the branch. Don't worry about if you
Speaker 1: science base guys though, don't believe in QB wins. But
Speaker 1: why is Brady the greatest of all time if not
Speaker 1: for for the big time wins? Hey, there's guys, can
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks job is to win? Oh? So you are
Speaker 1: on your side. I didn't quarterbacks job is to win,
Speaker 1: and Brady will say the same damn thing. I'm with
Speaker 1: you a hundred percent. Who is the NFL's next dynasty?
Speaker 1: Okay we'll start here. We're also gonna get into some
Speaker 1: teams that are going to the opposite direction and not
Speaker 1: heading toward any dynasty at all. But um, Dave, why
Speaker 1: don't you get us go n't just throw out a
Speaker 1: team that could replace the Patriots or succeed them Drew
Speaker 1: locks Patriots once I once Brady hangs them up with belt.
Speaker 1: Now I will go with here. I let me just
Speaker 1: explain this in in eleven seconds. I believe that the rookie,
Speaker 1: the guys who the teams that have the QB a
Speaker 1: good QB on his rookie deal, are playing with house money.
Speaker 1: They can spend on luxury items, much like Los Angeles
Speaker 1: rams have done what the chiefs are in a position
Speaker 1: to do around mahomes now. But that isn't an enduring operation.
Speaker 1: You can't do that. Your QB must be so good
Speaker 1: that once he's making thirty million dollars, you can still
Speaker 1: have a good roster from top to bottom. Air go
Speaker 1: that describes the Indianapolis Colts. They have their franchise qb
Speaker 1: um locked into a big dollar figure and yet you
Speaker 1: see them only rising up. So that will be my
Speaker 1: my first team to throw out that number one on
Speaker 1: my list. I'm sure you guys are not surprised, but
Speaker 1: I sort of had a checklist. Ownership, team building, coaching staff, quarterback,
Speaker 1: young talent, cap space, draft picks, culture, veteran leadership, recruiting ability,
Speaker 1: howork he put in the work from from most important lea.
Speaker 1: Ownership is always the most important. And I know you
Speaker 1: guys don't like Jim Rcy, but they've had a lot
Speaker 1: of success. I love Jim Mercy and all owners. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's had a lot of successes, and I think they
Speaker 1: have every ingredient on that list, including a impressive two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight teen draft class to build around. They've
Speaker 1: got the most cap space of anybody that can go
Speaker 1: out and get people. They don't really have any weaknesses.
Speaker 1: They've got an impressive coaching staff. Now these are two
Speaker 1: different conversations, though, what is a team that's well positioned
Speaker 1: to knock off the Patriots next year and what's a
Speaker 1: team position to build a dynasty. There's only been five
Speaker 1: or six of these teams. Ever, so this is a
Speaker 1: true dynasty. You're not counting like the Seahawks the next deck.
Speaker 1: Let's say that. To me, the answer is like none.
Speaker 1: The history would tell us that it's it's it's not
Speaker 1: gonna happen, and that what you can hope for is
Speaker 1: to be like a Seahawks type of team, or a
Speaker 1: Broncos type of team, or even the Colts with Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning where you have a long stretch of success. But
Speaker 1: my answer would be none. If I had, if that
Speaker 1: was an option, is that enough? All? That's I mean
Speaker 1: for a dynasty dynasty? If I had to choose what
Speaker 1: I have one, I think and check you're great with
Speaker 1: the history of the league. I would say dynastyse three
Speaker 1: titles in five years. The Steelers a cop shot, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they did four s. The Cowboys did it. The Patriots
Speaker 1: did it twice. They've downed at it twice, yet they
Speaker 1: did four and three and five. People put way too
Speaker 1: much emphasis on winning a Super Bowl and not enough
Speaker 1: I'm getting to a super Bowl right because well you
Speaker 1: can look at that two ways. Because to me, the
Speaker 1: Patriots has been throughout the whole time, and especially the
Speaker 1: the odds to me as a dynasty by the Pagriot
Speaker 1: because they've they've been in the championship game eight straight times.
Speaker 1: To be, it starts in like ten or eleven when
Speaker 1: they draft Gronk, even though they didn't win a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl for a while. So do you do we think
Speaker 1: with because Luck makes a ton of money, do you
Speaker 1: think they have they're able to build a roster that
Speaker 1: could put together five, six, seven, eight years with Luck
Speaker 1: at the at the Star at the Helm. Yes, I do,
Speaker 1: and and I think it starts with their GM, who's
Speaker 1: shown to be a very good gum and it's two
Speaker 1: years in the job. Uh, they got extra still have
Speaker 1: another extra draft pick from the catch trade. They've got
Speaker 1: more cap space than anyone. They've got um, a guy
Speaker 1: who was an offensive Rookie the Year candidate, a guy
Speaker 1: who was the defensive rookie of the Year. And I
Speaker 1: think you know the coaching staff. I think the Colts
Speaker 1: have just about everything and can't argue they need to
Speaker 1: add talent, but they have the avenues to do it easily.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up this quarterback thing. I think
Speaker 1: this has been said so much that now it's overrated.
Speaker 1: This whole point of like, it's the most valuable thing.
Speaker 1: They have a rookie guy on a rookie contract. The
Speaker 1: salary cap went up another fourteen million dollars year. It's
Speaker 1: up to one night one and your quarterbacks don't take
Speaker 1: that big of a percentage. And by the way, if
Speaker 1: salary cap was so hard and so valuable, how come
Speaker 1: half the league didn't even spend close to the salary
Speaker 1: cap last year. These quarterbacks, they don't hurt you that bad.
Speaker 1: If you can't figure out how to build a team
Speaker 1: around your thirty million dollar quarterback with another hundred and sixty,
Speaker 1: it's like that that's on you. They free agency. Now
Speaker 1: you're you're finding a hard time finding good enough players
Speaker 1: to spend all the money on. Throw another team out there.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Chiefs to me are the obvious and
Speaker 1: the and the right answer, not just because Mahomes is
Speaker 1: on his rookie contract, but because he's Patrick freaking Mahomes,
Speaker 1: and he's got some great people around him right now.
Speaker 1: And you've got a great coach. I believe a great
Speaker 1: coach in Andy Reid, and a stable organization and and ownership.
Speaker 1: But I almost don't need all the rest I just
Speaker 1: need mahomes and a coach and you need a defense,
Speaker 1: which is what did you? Yeah, they haven't. They haven't
Speaker 1: had it yet, but they've they've gotten there, knocking on
Speaker 1: the they have the hardest parts down. They they that
Speaker 1: they have the coach, and they have the quarterback, and
Speaker 1: they have ownership, which is steady. Who else what else
Speaker 1: on the checklist? Go down? Checklist for me? Again, Let's
Speaker 1: go with the owner. That's good ownership. Let's give him
Speaker 1: a plus for sure team building, which he can say
Speaker 1: GM or whatever. The coaching staff, quarterback, young talent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that on one side of the ball. But but you
Speaker 1: also could say they know exactly where they have to
Speaker 1: put all their efforts into buildings, which is much easier
Speaker 1: said than done. But um, cap space, where are they
Speaker 1: of that? That's a good question. I think they're pretty
Speaker 1: close to the bottom. Last year they were, they were
Speaker 1: in trouble with it. Right now they have Rosie's right.
Speaker 1: The cap is gonnap up like another million, so it
Speaker 1: should throw that off. Two things though, First of all,
Speaker 1: done by that checklist. Oh I'm sorry, traff picks would
Speaker 1: be the last, like really important one to me. West
Speaker 1: is correct by by the way. As a side note,
Speaker 1: John always greatness is not old to the fact that
Speaker 1: two rings got tacked onto the back end of his
Speaker 1: career thanks to Terrell Davis. His true greatness his revealed
Speaker 1: and getting those three bum those three bum Broncos teams
Speaker 1: too super Bowls that they had no business. Sammy Winder
Speaker 1: was the feature back Van's Johnson was the best wide receiver.
Speaker 1: John Elway carried those teams. That's his greatness. The team
Speaker 1: that figured out the cap thing first, though, is with
Speaker 1: UH that what we have to take advantage of while
Speaker 1: we have a good QB on his rookie deal, the
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks, And as we expand the definition of dynasty
Speaker 1: in the twenty first century, which Brady and Belichick have
Speaker 1: to do because they're the only two consistent UH people
Speaker 1: along with Bob Kraft and the Patriots dynasty, how about
Speaker 1: those Seattle Seahawks. They check many of those items that
Speaker 1: West just to come off come back around. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: still have Russell Wilson, you still have Bobby Wags. They
Speaker 1: have a couple of pieces, just like the New England Patriots. Well,
Speaker 1: Steve still, Pete Carroll still the QB. By that logic,
Speaker 1: if they win a Super Bowl, are wouldn't we sort
Speaker 1: of like they're kind of a dynasty. They won that one,
Speaker 1: they almost won that second one, and then they won
Speaker 1: that third. We've kind of been such a different team though.
Speaker 1: I know there's the guys that Russell Wilson and the
Speaker 1: coach is the same. The gym playoffs every year if
Speaker 1: they but if they went on a run, let's say
Speaker 1: next year, and won the Super Bowl, would you view
Speaker 1: that as the same team as the third? Is that
Speaker 1: different thing what the Patriots have done? Well, that's fair.
Speaker 1: My biggest question with the Seahawks. It starts at the top.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have new ownership. Um, we don't yet know
Speaker 1: what that's gonna be. And for three or four year now,
Speaker 1: years now, we've been hearing that Pete Carroll is just
Speaker 1: about out the door. Well he just resigned, you know,
Speaker 1: to a new I believe you were the one telling
Speaker 1: me last summer Carol was out the tour. I know,
Speaker 1: Well it didn't happen. Yeah, I've I was called two
Speaker 1: years ago this is his last year. Because he loved
Speaker 1: taking his boat from his house to the facilities like
Speaker 1: that was a sign he was no longer serious about football.
Speaker 1: Jammy Graham was flying a plane to the exactly start
Speaker 1: going back to the cheese real quick. And it didn't
Speaker 1: happen with the Patriots. But in a lot of different sports, um,
Speaker 1: and by the way, they would have won that Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: They would have beat the Rams. Sorry Chiefs fans to
Speaker 1: even I think they know that they if they had
Speaker 1: won that coin us and moved down the field and
Speaker 1: the Patriots defense, we'll be talking about the Super Bowl champions.
Speaker 1: But to that point, a lot of teams we could
Speaker 1: Jordan's Bulls and but you could like the Yankees dynasty
Speaker 1: in the nineties. There's usually a heartbreaking, devastating loss when
Speaker 1: the team is just there and if something goes their way,
Speaker 1: they would have won it that year too, but they don't.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of how I see that Chief's Patriots game.
Speaker 1: For this Chief's team, I would be shocked if they
Speaker 1: are not a team that is flying next year. And
Speaker 1: they're my Super Bowl favorite. Right now. Let me throw
Speaker 1: out I'd agree with three young teams and see which
Speaker 1: one you guys like best. I'm gonna write one down
Speaker 1: right here. The Chicago Bears meet a lot of the
Speaker 1: qualifications on the I don't love Trabinsky, but that's a
Speaker 1: I've got. I've got like a caveat for each of
Speaker 1: these teams, and Trabinsky is you have to be a
Speaker 1: Trabisky believer in order to think it's the Rams or
Speaker 1: the Bears. How about the Rams right now? Because you
Speaker 1: don't trust the quarterback Because I don't know after a
Speaker 1: week or plus away from that Super Bowl exactly what
Speaker 1: went down with Hot Gurley. I was pot but before that,
Speaker 1: I don't know what was going on with ncveigh and Gurley.
Speaker 1: I was sure that they were masking, that they were
Speaker 1: gaming up the the injury report and Gurly was hurt.
Speaker 1: But now the further way I get from it, it
Speaker 1: seems like there was some issue there. Yet we prefer
Speaker 1: the fat guy who wasn't on a roster two weeks
Speaker 1: ago to the to the biggest home run hitter in
Speaker 1: pro football? What what's going Wait? What's going on with Gurley?
Speaker 1: Plus they spent on luxury items, like I said around
Speaker 1: Jared Goffe's rookie deal to get Sue and to leave
Speaker 1: and so on and so forth, They're not going to
Speaker 1: have that same luxury going. And they do have tons
Speaker 1: of cap space and they have as many good players
Speaker 1: locked in long term as anyone, which is why I
Speaker 1: think they're a good choice. The Rams and the Eagles
Speaker 1: would probably be the next two for me because their
Speaker 1: front offices. Brown's is my third one, and my caveat
Speaker 1: for those for them is ownership in an untested head coach.
Speaker 1: But they have just about everything else. I could have
Speaker 1: a winning season first two before we start talking Dynasday.
Speaker 1: If we're talking dynasty, had the curve here and not
Speaker 1: wait until everyone else knows. With all the teams ran off,
Speaker 1: everybody would have to get None of those teams that
Speaker 1: we have talked about has even one in the twenty
Speaker 1: first century? Has one Super Bowl? Seattle? Uh uh? The
Speaker 1: exception to that? How about the Philadelphia Eagles? Yes, but
Speaker 1: if Carson Wentz, that is eleven is the most Antonio Brown,
Speaker 1: Levyan Belt, whatever else. The most fascinating offseason storyline is
Speaker 1: what happens with the frame of mind of number eleven
Speaker 1: there as Nick Foles moves on and the city says,
Speaker 1: but you let our hero go. Well, I think that's
Speaker 1: right because I think if I was making a checklist,
Speaker 1: that the three biggest things are quarterback One, you know,
Speaker 1: and then maybe two is a front office nimble and
Speaker 1: flexible enough to adapt to whatever the changes in the
Speaker 1: league are with salary caps, faith with position trends, and
Speaker 1: then making that work with your coach, which is number three.
Speaker 1: And I think the Eagles and the Rams are really strong,
Speaker 1: uh in the front office and working with their coach
Speaker 1: and everything, and that's why they think. I love the
Speaker 1: Eagles as a pick. I was going to throw them
Speaker 1: out there, and Wentz is the reason why for me,
Speaker 1: because I mean, you could not have more motivation as
Speaker 1: a quarterback coming off what was really a frustrating lost
Speaker 1: year and folds and people doubting you. And remember how
Speaker 1: good he was before he got hurt. I could see
Speaker 1: him being coming out like a house on fire. And
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for him because I think it was a
Speaker 1: really tough situation he's been in since he got hurt.
Speaker 1: I think that Wentz is a guy to watch as
Speaker 1: an m VP candidate again next year. So I guess
Speaker 1: I'm the only one who had the Eagles as a
Speaker 1: candidate for the dirt Knap section of let's let's transition
Speaker 1: to that go ahead with anyway, I like you thrown
Speaker 1: in Baker because that's the one quarterback I believe in
Speaker 1: the most. So yeah, as a young guy, and so
Speaker 1: he has a chance. I guess the only reason I
Speaker 1: throwed out there is as a fan of a team
Speaker 1: that is a perennial dirt knap team like the Browns are.
Speaker 1: I know everything can change an instant, but it's gonna
Speaker 1: be really hard for the Browns to take the next step,
Speaker 1: uh and become a title happened to the pain rankings team,
Speaker 1: And I'm my fear is that the other shoe is
Speaker 1: gonna drop. So the idea of them going to a
Speaker 1: dynasty level, I'm just gonna pump the brakes on everything
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, and just see how you're how does
Speaker 1: how does Baker Mayfield hand to handle wealth, fame and success?
Speaker 1: You know? How does how do we really are? We
Speaker 1: all were all in about as you said, you, I mean,
Speaker 1: do we trust the Haslums? I know there's too much
Speaker 1: to me right now to bring them up in this conversation,
Speaker 1: as much as it would be fun if they hit
Speaker 1: the ground running in twenty nineteen. Alright, So so you
Speaker 1: think that Eagles, No, they weren't my choice, but there
Speaker 1: are only I only have three teams that are even
Speaker 1: candidates for dirt nap if you if you say they've
Speaker 1: been really successful and there's a good chance they will
Speaker 1: be unsuccessful. In two thousand, Steelers one of them, right,
Speaker 1: Steelers and they Steelers, Patriots and Eagles were the three
Speaker 1: I came up with. But the Eagles, Look, how many
Speaker 1: people in that roster are not only over thirty, but
Speaker 1: in their mid thirties or certainly could be towing the cliff.
Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about Jason Peters, Darren Sprouls, Malcolm Jenkins,
Speaker 1: Chris Long, Michael Bennett, Travis Kelsey, Hello Ti, not a
Speaker 1: all over thirty years old. I could just see this
Speaker 1: roster getting old really quickly. And they that's not to
Speaker 1: say they don't have young guys who can come up
Speaker 1: and take on bigger rules, but I could see, like,
Speaker 1: and they've got a little more cap issues than almost
Speaker 1: any other team. And I do like they are. They're smart,
Speaker 1: Like you said, they have a very smart leadership. They
Speaker 1: they are well coached, they've got a good franchise quarterback,
Speaker 1: so they're in great shape. But you could also see
Speaker 1: them stumbling right they got to me, they have WENTZ
Speaker 1: and they have Fletcher Cox, and you're right, the line
Speaker 1: is a big concern and they have Lane Johnson. It's like,
Speaker 1: how many people really stick around for more than five
Speaker 1: on a team. There's three that I like. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I I do think that, Yes, I think
Speaker 1: the Jason Peters factor is a massive one. That that
Speaker 1: that you can't sleep on. That I don't evaluate offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: but I've spoken with enough who will convince you he's
Speaker 1: the best left tackle of the generation. UM, Fletcher Cox
Speaker 1: is the guy everybody sleeps on. Aaron Donald is the
Speaker 1: best interior defensive lineman in Pro football, but Fletcher Cox,
Speaker 1: he's a fairly close one a to that. UM. I
Speaker 1: like the e I I don't see the Eagles, and
Speaker 1: if I'm looking in the short term, obviously free agency
Speaker 1: and the draft can change these things. Who's you know,
Speaker 1: who's the divisional competition? The Rams look out for, the
Speaker 1: Seahawks look out for the Niners. I I think that
Speaker 1: they're going to overwhelm the Rams in twenty and are
Speaker 1: gonna overwhelm where Yeah, we're just I don't mean I
Speaker 1: mean they, I mean they're not gonna run to thirteen
Speaker 1: and three, is what I mean. I'm relatively speaking, I
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna go seven and nine next year.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that they're that those teams are gonna
Speaker 1: catch up a little. By the way, them looking at
Speaker 1: over the cap in their cap space, the Eagles far
Speaker 1: and away or in the worst cap position right now.
Speaker 1: According to them, there's sixteen million in the red so
Speaker 1: they got to do some work just to get under
Speaker 1: the cap. That for right now, Well, there you go.
Speaker 1: That will help obviously a lot. And then the Chiefs
Speaker 1: that we brought up earlier, they're kind of right in
Speaker 1: the middle the pack actually, so they're not in too
Speaker 1: bad shape. Here's a regression team for you at the
Speaker 1: Cowboys if they if they don't keep Tank Lawrence, who
Speaker 1: was quietly on any top five or six defensive players
Speaker 1: in the NFL, UH this past season. You don't think
Speaker 1: he's going anywhere. No, no team lets a talent like
Speaker 1: that get away much less the Cowboys. Check. Let's let's
Speaker 1: just get to it. Uh. We have something here called
Speaker 1: the pie scale. All right? One? Uh is your pants
Speaker 1: your underpants, Uh, your private saw completely dry. There's no worry,
Speaker 1: You're not concerned about anything. No. Ten, the p it's everywhere.
Speaker 1: You gotta get a diaper on, you gotta change your clothes.
Speaker 1: You put the adult taper on because you're peeing so much,
Speaker 1: because you're worried. Where are you on the PA scale
Speaker 1: about the future and president of the Pittsburgh Steelers one
Speaker 1: to ten. I can tell you honestly that my only concern.
Speaker 1: My P level scale about a four. Okay. The only
Speaker 1: thing I don't love is Mike tom Mike Tomlin for
Speaker 1: all the platitude and and you know it's all based
Speaker 1: around testosterone. Yes, he owns that defense. That is the
Speaker 1: thing that I think is under reported nationally and even
Speaker 1: perhaps on the banks of the Three Rivers. People want
Speaker 1: to hang it on poor Keith Butler. Oh his defense,
Speaker 1: they gotta fire that guy. It's Mike Tomlin's defense. Who
Speaker 1: do you think is who you think's calling the show? There? Um,
Speaker 1: that's my concern. Although talk about a nice, sneaky little
Speaker 1: higher Tarall Austin, talk about the guy who was a
Speaker 1: hey he was, he was a talking about guy who
Speaker 1: was supposed to be an NFL head coach two years ago.
Speaker 1: The Bengals get him in the middle of the season.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just telling you that now they've at
Speaker 1: least brought someone else in there to help out the defense. Now,
Speaker 1: you're right, he didn't like the offensive line. He did
Speaker 1: a great chat taking one of the most consistent defenses
Speaker 1: in the league and making him the worst stop. Let
Speaker 1: me just say this, the least sexy conversation to have
Speaker 1: that is tune out to me and the most football
Speaker 1: fans is you know how? You know how teams win
Speaker 1: or go deep in the play this year after year,
Speaker 1: the one consistent factor is dominance on both sides of
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, and the Steelers have that. They're
Speaker 1: They're they even without Mike Munchak. They have a great
Speaker 1: offensive line and Cam Hayward stefante for Javon Hargrave, Grave
Speaker 1: and tuit Or Nice and Young are real Nice and
Speaker 1: Young and Cam Hayward was dominant last year. Listen, I
Speaker 1: do I think they're gonna win the Super Bowl? No,
Speaker 1: but I think they're I think they're fine. It would
Speaker 1: be a great move. They're certainly competitive with still one
Speaker 1: of the great quarterbacks of the twenty one century. If
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger for a little while longer, if you if
Speaker 1: you want to go next step and win that trench
Speaker 1: warfare and up the warfare in your conference. Why don't
Speaker 1: you go poach Darte Dante Scarneckia up from New England,
Speaker 1: bring him on as your line coach, and now you're
Speaker 1: really cooking because that guy is the secret magic sauce.
Speaker 1: That's the Patriots way. In fact, you know the kind
Speaker 1: of thing that the Patriots do is they take on
Speaker 1: guys like Antonio Brown. That's the kind of thing that
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing that people don't talk about with
Speaker 1: the Patriots, from Josh Gordon to Michael Floyd to sell
Speaker 1: On himself, Corey Dylan, they have no problem bringing in
Speaker 1: guys and we'll make him are right, and sometimes it
Speaker 1: works and sometimes it doesn't. Hey yeah, yeah, stick me
Speaker 1: with like one of the best receivers of all time
Speaker 1: who's known for his maniacal work ethic bringing on do
Speaker 1: you have I'm not I'm really not overly concerned. I
Speaker 1: don't think the Ravens. The Ravens are an eight and
Speaker 1: eight team. But the idea that obviously Roethlisberger is getting
Speaker 1: older and now you're gonna enter a season without Bell
Speaker 1: or potentially Antonio Brown. Go to the team that never
Speaker 1: loses team without Bround or Bell. I don't think the
Speaker 1: Steelers are winning the Super Bowl this year. Necessary not
Speaker 1: ready for a dirt nap either, So I want to
Speaker 1: see what Kevin Colbert can pull off in free agency
Speaker 1: in the drafting obviously. That's I mean, to their credit,
Speaker 1: they have been even in their down years, they don't
Speaker 1: stay down for long, and they've been a great organization.
Speaker 1: They have not been taken any dirt naps. For rob
Speaker 1: has never had a losing season. He's been in the
Speaker 1: league for fifteen years. How bad are they does anybody
Speaker 1: expect them to turn? They weren't really outclassed by anyone,
Speaker 1: like even in the games they lost, they made leads,
Speaker 1: they blew leads, and their roster is pretty strong even
Speaker 1: without Antonio Browning. I told Cam Jordan that at Super Sunday,
Speaker 1: I said, I don't want to hear any more crying
Speaker 1: from Saints people about how you got jipped by the
Speaker 1: by the refs. The refs stole a Steelers victory that
Speaker 1: would have put them into the postseason. It made them
Speaker 1: the most dangerous team on the last week sixteen. You
Speaker 1: by far did the most um prep and work ahead
Speaker 1: of this. You had an whole chart breaking down seven
Speaker 1: different factors. Um So, I want to give you the
Speaker 1: last word of one team in either direction that you
Speaker 1: maybe hasn't come up yet. Take us Homeless, Okay, I
Speaker 1: feel like we should have a second podcast just going
Speaker 1: through all the work. I didn't even take any dirt nap.
Speaker 1: I didn't even choose the dirt nap team. You're lucky Jaguars.
Speaker 1: I think the Saints are an interesting one because what
Speaker 1: we saw happened throughout this seat throughout the two eighteen
Speaker 1: season was their offense started out gangbusters to use a
Speaker 1: check is him, and then halfway through the season you
Speaker 1: started to realize the defense has so much young talent
Speaker 1: on it and the defense outplayed the offense. But the
Speaker 1: offense still has Alvin Kamar and Michael Tomas, two of
Speaker 1: the best players at the positions, still has even though
Speaker 1: the offensive line sort of fell off at the end
Speaker 1: of the year, a pretty solid offensive line. The question
Speaker 1: is your quarterback couldn't throw deep for the final month
Speaker 1: and a half of the season. How do you feel
Speaker 1: about the Saints as a dynasty with a fourty year
Speaker 1: old quarterback turned into an eight and a half, didn't
Speaker 1: nine down the stretch there he did not look People
Speaker 1: don't like to say it. He went on the rise
Speaker 1: in that same division. Why not the Buccaneers maybe maybe
Speaker 1: Famous James season. For all that, you don't know what's
Speaker 1: gonna be. You don't know if you're gonna go. I'm
Speaker 1: just not just rising up a little bit. I'm not
Speaker 1: ready to turn the page yet. I want to just so.
Speaker 1: I think their roster smart, talented, and people believe, yet
Speaker 1: their quarterback is not fixable like most people believe. Oh
Speaker 1: we don't know about well, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: We will say it, just like so many people are
Speaker 1: invested in a mediocre quarterback who turns the ball over
Speaker 1: so much and he's not even a good character guy.
Speaker 1: So I just I refused to get Jai wins We's
Speaker 1: got five months to have this conversation. It's like, what
Speaker 1: is Jamis Winston have every over everyone that they're so
Speaker 1: invested in him being a good quarterback. He's been a
Speaker 1: bad person in a bad quarterback. So I don't care.
Speaker 1: And there and that wraps up our dynasty talk. Um
Speaker 1: Dave from Mariota, Mariota has not accosted anyone to say
Speaker 1: over a vehicle or yelled stuff on a cafeteria table
Speaker 1: at Florida State, been accused of heinous crimes, and his
Speaker 1: teammates say that he's never even spoken to them. Very quiet,
Speaker 1: he's very shy. That's just what you want your qub.
Speaker 1: Very early in the past, the draft process in there
Speaker 1: was a line drawn in the sand. Greg got on
Speaker 1: the side of the Tampa Bay quarterback, West Scott on
Speaker 1: the side of the National quarterback. And ever since everyone's
Speaker 1: been very awkward. Ye every time right now, when everyone's lost,
Speaker 1: including the listeners, it's been full of sound and fury.
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed it. No one has won. Should have wasted
Speaker 1: airtime for a long time. Dave Damna Shack, you've come
Speaker 1: in here and you've done it again. Dave's of thunder.
Speaker 1: Also part of the Adam Crowle universe, of course, with
Speaker 1: good sports and the Dave Damn Check football program two
Speaker 1: times a week even in the off season. That's right,
Speaker 1: that's right. You still have a handsome Hanks still involved, right,
Speaker 1: he is still a part of the pro It seems
Speaker 1: like he kind of presents himself as a little bit
Speaker 1: above it now. He's like, I make it on when
Speaker 1: I can, But always a big hitter. Now he's making
Speaker 1: all those international games, he's taken the beautiful game abroad.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, he's he's a big hitter. He's a
Speaker 1: there's always a constant churn above the line, if you
Speaker 1: want to call it that on the third floor. You
Speaker 1: guys making hay over in the UK must be aware
Speaker 1: of it. I've I've heard tell many times over at
Speaker 1: this point that he walks down the street legitimately, that
Speaker 1: he walks down the streets of London and people handsome
Speaker 1: hay I maybe had an NFL event. I feel like,
Speaker 1: but you're right, You're right. I think he is revered.
Speaker 1: He came to he came to a dinner that I
Speaker 1: had with with some guys who work in the UK,
Speaker 1: Nat Coombs, who has a great podcast there and it's
Speaker 1: on you know, BBC and everything. And when his group
Speaker 1: found out that Henry was going to join us, I
Speaker 1: was already there. Oh it was like, just did Henry
Speaker 1: want that? I feel like Henry, I'm just saying. There
Speaker 1: was excitement. It was like it was like, oh, the
Speaker 1: hot girl's gonna show up. Didn't know I've never met him.
Speaker 1: Really well, Henry is a hot girl all the way.
Speaker 1: Well except he's not a girl. Well that's true, all right. Anyway, Jack,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, fellas muzzle tell again in there,
Speaker 1: Greg and you were appreciate which as a man, this
Speaker 1: is a very check shirt. It's right off the check line.
Speaker 1: But I've never seen he as a wrangler man. Oh
Speaker 1: now listen, Wrangler and the Dave Damna check football program
Speaker 1: had a beautiful, uh hot affair for for a while there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is something like that. That was some
Speaker 1: of the the bounty. You've got, I got pants and everything.
Speaker 1: You can borrow some. All right, there we go, Ricky,
Speaker 1: happy birthday, wake up, sap. This one out the show.
Speaker 1: But why was it my fault? Rick No, no, you
Speaker 1: got you got. I just didn't want to mess up
Speaker 1: the flow. It was so good. Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: All right. That's Dan hands is signing off right here
Speaker 1: for the Damnit Scheck, the mail Man, the Old Boss,
Speaker 1: and the seven year old Erica tempose behind the Glassy
Speaker 1: Dead till Wednesday