Speaker 1: Oh you know what that sound is? Big news in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Dan hansis joined by Mark Cessler and Greg Rosenthal. Going,
Speaker 1: three men, we've here a little bit of an interesting
Speaker 1: mix up here. Some big news happened in the last
Speaker 1: twelve hours. So the three of us are gonna take
Speaker 1: you through it. Three big news items. Then we'll throw
Speaker 1: to the show that we taped originally yesterday that has
Speaker 1: your boy trash. Take man Patrick Claiban with Wes and
Speaker 1: Greg and Mark. I was with my parents. We keep
Speaker 1: pulling you away from your vacation. This is two times
Speaker 1: in a little a little peek behind the curtain, but
Speaker 1: we had that taped. You know, it's all in the can.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. We're gonna take out the Antonio Brown section,
Speaker 1: but this plenty gets stuff, plenty of trash. He takes
Speaker 1: Mark bands a few words and uh so why throw
Speaker 1: that whole show out? But we should talk the big stuff.
Speaker 1: Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. That's what
Speaker 1: they say. I mean, who would even consider that except
Speaker 1: for monsters? Literally a psychopath do something like that. But anyway,
Speaker 1: let's get into it. Why are we doing this because
Speaker 1: we gotta talk Antonio Brown the drum. Remember a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, it was this one I need West
Speaker 1: Here there was the the basketball free agent news. Uh
Speaker 1: it was regarding a big man, as I recall, and
Speaker 1: everyone was going crazy and there were gifts and videos
Speaker 1: of players on banana boats together and recruiting going on
Speaker 1: on Twitter, and it was a great snapshot of NBA
Speaker 1: Twitter and how fun it could be. NFL we got
Speaker 1: a nice, little fun, exciting Twitter evening and it all
Speaker 1: happened because NFL Network insider Ian Rappaport reported that the
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers were quote closing in on a deal to
Speaker 1: trade Antonio Brown to the Bells, to the Bills, and
Speaker 1: that led to, let's be honest, a lot of derision, chuckles,
Speaker 1: a lot of all Antonio got the Steelers, didn't He
Speaker 1: lived in Buffalo. I can I can imagine the Mark
Speaker 1: Sessler of Buffalo being very annoyed. During that one hour,
Speaker 1: people were just slamming on the city of Buffalo. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure people came hard with the last apt Buffalo's expense.
Speaker 1: I I caught some fire. I didn't go after Buffalo,
Speaker 1: but what I was laughing at or what I was
Speaker 1: commented on Twitter because everybody had a couple of tweets
Speaker 1: was just how horrendous the fit was and it was
Speaker 1: just a disaster. If it was gonna happen, Well, it
Speaker 1: looks like it's not gonna happen because we had reports
Speaker 1: that Antonio Brown, who he himself tweeted fake news. Immediately
Speaker 1: after uh Ian's story broke, The Pittsburgh Post Gazettes Jerry
Speaker 1: Dulac du Lac reported that Brown the Brown deal fell
Speaker 1: apart because Brown refused to go to Buffalo. Uh and
Speaker 1: this trade is not gonna happen now. Adam Schefter also
Speaker 1: reporting that it's not gonna happen. Bill's GM Brandon being
Speaker 1: confirmed it, stating the team quote inquired about Antonio Brown,
Speaker 1: but ultimately it didn't makes sense for either side. Greg
Speaker 1: A lot of drama, a lot of chatter, a lot
Speaker 1: of fun, but ultimately Antonio Brown is still looking for
Speaker 1: a team. Yeah, you know, in a wasted a couple
Speaker 1: of paragraphs, I had, you know, starting my winners and
Speaker 1: losers of this straight Josh Allen no longer winner. No.
Speaker 1: I stopped it pretty soon because it didn't take too long,
Speaker 1: uh into the night, as you mentioned, because there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people that went to sleep probably thought Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown was on the bolt, but it really didn't take
Speaker 1: that long until some doubts started to be uh sprinkled,
Speaker 1: including from Antonio Brown, as you mentioned. And it's just
Speaker 1: a reminder in these trade situations and I think the
Speaker 1: same can be true and a lot of them, but
Speaker 1: especially this Antonio Brown, they have control. You can say
Speaker 1: they don't have control, but especially Antonio Brown, who has
Speaker 1: made a lot of money and isn't afraid to be
Speaker 1: a pain in the butt, can just make it clear immediately,
Speaker 1: no freaking way. And I think that's what happened here,
Speaker 1: and that's why you know you feel for Ian on
Speaker 1: some level because I think if Antonio Brown uh was
Speaker 1: was fine with it. It really does sound like the
Speaker 1: team obviously, the Bills obviously wanted him. They obviously had
Speaker 1: the best offer, and now you just wonder what the
Speaker 1: Steelers are gonna do. Yeah, I mean the Bills were.
Speaker 1: It's one of the rare, rare non trades where both
Speaker 1: teams involved come out looking less powerful and with more
Speaker 1: mud on their face because Pittsburgh like it. Not every
Speaker 1: player can do this, but Antonio Brown is going to
Speaker 1: control where he goes because he doesn't need football, so
Speaker 1: he's only gonna go to the place he wants, or
Speaker 1: he'll not play football at all. He says that, and
Speaker 1: he did. He said it again, and he it sounds
Speaker 1: like he stopped this trade and the Bills weren't willing
Speaker 1: to call his bluff right like they could. They could.
Speaker 1: But if you're the Bills, yeah, do you want He
Speaker 1: had told Darlington, Jeff Darlington or old co worker last week.
Speaker 1: If they want me to play, they're gonna play by
Speaker 1: my rules. And if not, I don't know what this honestly,
Speaker 1: who what about this guy on their team and the
Speaker 1: things that he says, it just sounds like and he's
Speaker 1: a thirty year old wide receiver. That's a different conversation.
Speaker 1: But this whole episode to me continues to not shot
Speaker 1: in a flattering light on Brown, but also it does
Speaker 1: It is interesting how in the NFL, if you are
Speaker 1: at a certain level of start him, you can dictate
Speaker 1: where you go. Despite the NFL being all powerful and
Speaker 1: the teams seeming to have holding the cards at the
Speaker 1: times of players, especially as star wins have power. I mean,
Speaker 1: even David Irvin, who's walking away from the Cowboys, had
Speaker 1: an Instagram live story last night where he was smoking
Speaker 1: a massive blunt and basically said I'm done. I don't
Speaker 1: he I said, I'm not familiar, I'm not rich, but
Speaker 1: I don't need football anymore. And it's a different world. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a fascinating, uh look behind the
Speaker 1: curtain of David Irvan's life. But honestly, the one thing
Speaker 1: I thought about with Buffalo because I do feel for
Speaker 1: like the Bills fandom and the whole situation with Buffalo
Speaker 1: on this because if you restarted the NFL from scratch today,
Speaker 1: it's one of those teams that would never ever have
Speaker 1: a franchise, that no one would ever look to Buffalo
Speaker 1: to start an NFL team. But there was a competitive
Speaker 1: disadvantage when you're in free agency, when you try to
Speaker 1: kind of convince star players to come to Western New York,
Speaker 1: where it's four degrees six months a year, there's very
Speaker 1: little to do other than pound beers in your basement.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like you're that's the opposite of mya
Speaker 1: and I thought I thought it made sense for them,
Speaker 1: you know, on a football wise, you know you have
Speaker 1: Robert Foster and z Joe. I mean, you're upgrading Antoni,
Speaker 1: like replacing Kelvin Benjamin with Antonio Brown would be like
Speaker 1: replacing Josh Allen with Ben Roethlisberger or something. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like so like, I don't mind them trying to
Speaker 1: improve their team. I don't. I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: they lose anything with egg on their face. It's annoying
Speaker 1: for the fans that my thing is like, who's stepping
Speaker 1: up here. One of the interesting things is the second
Speaker 1: this trade went down, then there were some people, including
Speaker 1: Diane Rassini with ESPN that's like, now that this is
Speaker 1: out and it's happened. Oh, by the way, the Packers
Speaker 1: were a really serious suitors, maybe the next most serious.
Speaker 1: They were trying to keep it under the radar. But
Speaker 1: now that like the news is out, I feel like
Speaker 1: I can, you know, use those sources or whatever. And
Speaker 1: so because I'm just wondering who where this goes now
Speaker 1: because the Titans supposedly dropped out, the Raiders I think
Speaker 1: are still in the mix. That's you know, we have
Speaker 1: a whole you know, back and forth with West and
Speaker 1: Clay Bonne yesterday hand this where they went at it.
Speaker 1: You would have liked it, and we basically said that, yeah,
Speaker 1: the loss to the stands of time, we're not gonna
Speaker 1: include that any one team race for Antonio Brown seems
Speaker 1: so long ago, right that and just kind of making
Speaker 1: that same argument that you just said, like who wants
Speaker 1: this guy? Someone will, But the Steelers are compromised and
Speaker 1: this could last a lot, and you're right, the Bills
Speaker 1: would have made them a much better team. He's arguably
Speaker 1: the best wide receiver in the league. But if I'm
Speaker 1: a Bills fan and I have empathy for Bills fans
Speaker 1: as a sad Jets fan, um, you shouldn't be too
Speaker 1: bummed about this because it would not have been a
Speaker 1: good fit if they were able to make it happen,
Speaker 1: and he they called his bluff and Antonio Brown decided
Speaker 1: he he did want to play football make millions. Even
Speaker 1: if he'd be unhappy, it probably would have ended up
Speaker 1: in it with a huge headache. So there's that. That's
Speaker 1: the positive wet spin for for a Bills fan. But
Speaker 1: now we'll find out what happens next to put Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: Post Gazette reports the Steelers are still talking with quote
Speaker 1: several teams and there is no quote hard and fast
Speaker 1: deadline of Friday, so they've lost all control. The whole
Speaker 1: thing is a complete that we're we're setting deadlines. Come
Speaker 1: to us with your your offers with a nice red
Speaker 1: ribbon around it, and will decide what we want to do. No,
Speaker 1: you won't. You nailed it. Um. You're loving this as
Speaker 1: a Browns fan, he's loving seeing the Steelers well, you
Speaker 1: know they're burning from within. I'm rewatching. Like I said,
Speaker 1: my parents are in town and I'm rewatching succession the
Speaker 1: HBO show, which like Rich Joy UH, the I believe
Speaker 1: second episode is titled UH Show at Factory, and I
Speaker 1: feel like that's where we're at right now. With the
Speaker 1: Steelers attempt to trade their iconic wide receiver, it's a
Speaker 1: showing you want to move on to the next new
Speaker 1: side it please, Case Keenum is moving again. The Redskins
Speaker 1: have acquired the quarterback along with any seventh round pick
Speaker 1: from the Denver Broncos. In exchange for a round pick,
Speaker 1: Case Keenum Um also gets half a bill what they
Speaker 1: call a restructure bonus UH, and he'll make seven million
Speaker 1: UH this year. The money that he got paid the
Speaker 1: contract agreed to with the Broncos and the Broncos as
Speaker 1: you imagine to move this man off their books after
Speaker 1: acquiring Joe Flacco, it was gonna hurt. So they're gonna
Speaker 1: pay half of the salary of Case Keenum. So here
Speaker 1: we go, Mark the Redskins, who are an Alex Smith
Speaker 1: uh limbo slash purgatory right now. Find a short term answer.
Speaker 1: Case Keenum is mr short term answer. And if you
Speaker 1: look at it, for what three and a half million,
Speaker 1: four million, it's not a bad stop gap when I
Speaker 1: look at it, But I also know if you're a
Speaker 1: Redskins fan, you're probably not doing backflips. Why is case
Speaker 1: Keenum nixing this trade and saying I'll sit out and
Speaker 1: do nothing unless I go to the team I want.
Speaker 1: I mean from a from a financial angle, fine, it
Speaker 1: checks the box. I don't know how you could create
Speaker 1: a more underwhelming bit of news for Redskins fans outside
Speaker 1: of this, I just think they're still gonna draft someone,
Speaker 1: although they still have Cult McCoy, who internally they also
Speaker 1: view as a starter. It is a muddled I don't
Speaker 1: think their quarterback room gained to me any momentum or
Speaker 1: any extra bit of talent with this that it is.
Speaker 1: It is one of the more depressing quarterback situations in
Speaker 1: the NFC, in the entire league, in the entire world.
Speaker 1: What it did gain, Greg is there's some structure in
Speaker 1: place now and we didn't have that. I guess the
Speaker 1: least you have to meet cult McCoy is feeling the
Speaker 1: same role that Case Keenum. That guy can't play more
Speaker 1: than two weeks without dislocating his shoulders. Okay, And and
Speaker 1: I do get the argument. You're right, you're just paying
Speaker 1: Case Keenum three and a half million dollars, and so
Speaker 1: that's fine. I mean, that's like half as much as
Speaker 1: Chase Daniel is making. That's fine. But I think Rhodo
Speaker 1: pat Patrick Dardi at Rhodo World Great Coach Rankings article
Speaker 1: this week, by the way you put it well, he said,
Speaker 1: how about instead of getting a bargain on Case Keenum,
Speaker 1: just not getting case because what it does is Case
Speaker 1: Keenum is like there's a ceiling to Case Keenum. You
Speaker 1: know what Case Keenum is. He's not a seventh teen
Speaker 1: and it's house. It's not even a person. So if
Speaker 1: I'm the Redskins and you you have no long you
Speaker 1: have no long term. I want to take as many
Speaker 1: swings as I can at just a chance at it
Speaker 1: doing better than that. And to me, Teddy Bridgewater is
Speaker 1: a chance at it doing better or Nick Foles or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I know maybe they would have been more expensive,
Speaker 1: but it's the quarterback position. You have to take chances.
Speaker 1: In case, Keenum is not taking a chance at all.
Speaker 1: It is just accepting this low level of mediocrity. It's
Speaker 1: shooting for seven wins. And I think you gotta take
Speaker 1: as many swings. Into me, Bridgewater is a swing and
Speaker 1: in Case Keenum is not a swing. And and they
Speaker 1: probably will draft someone and that will make it better.
Speaker 1: But if they don't, like they haven't drafted anyone under
Speaker 1: j group, well I I could. I think you said
Speaker 1: that perfectly. Well, but I think you have to draft
Speaker 1: someone and then be totally open with because I don't
Speaker 1: want to spend all offseason because we've done this with
Speaker 1: Case in him like three times. I don't want to
Speaker 1: spend all offseason, you know, figuring out what Washington's offense.
Speaker 1: In case with Case was like he could easily be
Speaker 1: cut if they drafted a rookie who had a great
Speaker 1: camp in a great preseason, and they love Colt McCoy,
Speaker 1: he's a better backup than Cole McCoy. To me, he
Speaker 1: should make case. I don't want to like totally dog.
Speaker 1: He's a he's a good backup. He's fine. I mean,
Speaker 1: he he is fine. There was a lot. There was
Speaker 1: a lot going on though in this trade. Keenum took
Speaker 1: a ten million dollar pick up. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: on the books for seventeen million dollars. So he just
Speaker 1: accepted the fact that if he was a free agent
Speaker 1: that he would he he's gonna make I think, what
Speaker 1: is it now, seven and a half or eight million
Speaker 1: dollars this year total, And he's saying, I don't think
Speaker 1: I was gonna do better than that as a free agent.
Speaker 1: He's probably right. I mean, I don't know or not,
Speaker 1: but he's just kind of accepting his lot in life.
Speaker 1: And then the Broncos, like everyone who talks to John
Speaker 1: Elway I think as a source or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: or just just loves the old old guy, just like
Speaker 1: couldn't wait to be like, well, you gotta give Elway credit.
Speaker 1: You know, he got something for Keenum in the end,
Speaker 1: Like I know, it was a bad situation. Please. He
Speaker 1: had to pay four million dollars to get rid of
Speaker 1: the awful contract that he signed. No one was given
Speaker 1: case Keenum guaranteed money into year two, so that's on Elway.
Speaker 1: And then they do this little pick swapping in twenty
Speaker 1: What that is is to save face to the dummies
Speaker 1: out there that is not worth anything. You just moved
Speaker 1: up in the six to the seventh round. I don't
Speaker 1: care about that at all. It's not a good deal
Speaker 1: for Denver Shop. This lipstick on a pig is for
Speaker 1: this episode also getting taken down. And I stand by
Speaker 1: what I said a few weeks ago. If there was
Speaker 1: a team, um, I wouldn't want to root for right now,
Speaker 1: it's the Redskins in this trade. Only you've cons that.
Speaker 1: But I think they had a little bit of an
Speaker 1: upswing for a minute or two and now it's going
Speaker 1: I just want to say the one thing, the Teddy
Speaker 1: Bridgewater thing. Can we just come down a little bit, like,
Speaker 1: just give me a chance, to give a chance? I know,
Speaker 1: and on the okay, fair enough, maybe there are nine
Speaker 1: and seven ceiling team with Fred with with Teddy, but um,
Speaker 1: we just don't know what is his market now. By
Speaker 1: the way, Teddy Bridge, it's a tough he waited all
Speaker 1: these years. He comes back from this horrific injury, and
Speaker 1: now what is the Teddy Bridge waters market if he's
Speaker 1: trying to get a starting jobs bust. Yeah, it's bad timing.
Speaker 1: He needs to some year yet he has he has
Speaker 1: to have a five, six, seven run games as a
Speaker 1: starter some year where the guy in front of him
Speaker 1: gets hurt or whatever. He's not gonna have that market now,
Speaker 1: and then that's when he could possibly ever get a
Speaker 1: starting contract. But it's not. You know, he might get
Speaker 1: more than Keenham's making right now, but not do you
Speaker 1: shift into a place where you wait for a big
Speaker 1: injury and then you just move in a starter with
Speaker 1: more money. I just I agree with you. It is
Speaker 1: no market. I stand by the way. I also stand
Speaker 1: by and we got to move on. But I stand
Speaker 1: by that that week seventeen had a strangely big impact
Speaker 1: on him. That the using let's use the Redskins as
Speaker 1: an example, ted Bridgewater. If he doesn't play in that game,
Speaker 1: don't they Isn't there a chance they're probably thinking Teddy's
Speaker 1: a better option right now than case Keenum, the most
Speaker 1: recycled quarterback in the league. I think it's more about Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I hope to J Gruden and that's like
Speaker 1: he's been available. He's one. Right. No one wanted Teddy
Speaker 1: last year, which is a sign, you know, team teams
Speaker 1: don't like him as much as I did. All right, Uh, finally, Um,
Speaker 1: the Giants and the Browns have done some business, Mark Sessler.
Speaker 1: The Browns acquired defensive end Olivier Vernon and a fourth
Speaker 1: round pick in this year's draft uh from the Giants
Speaker 1: UH in exchange for guard Kevin Zeitler and a nineteen
Speaker 1: fifth round pick. Uh. Interesting trade. And these are names
Speaker 1: that were connected to that uh Saucy Odell Beckham um
Speaker 1: trade that was buzzing around Twitter. The Browns and Beckham
Speaker 1: have been connected on Twitter in recent years, and it
Speaker 1: happened again. Instead, it's a one for one swap with
Speaker 1: a couple of mid to late round picks added. In
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the deal, Mark, I mean the Beckham.
Speaker 1: The proposed Beckham swap, which we talked about later in
Speaker 1: the show was a player for players deal, which was absurd.
Speaker 1: This one is the rare NFL player for player trade
Speaker 1: with the junkie other pick thing that I like. I
Speaker 1: think it's the Browns wanted to move openly wanted to
Speaker 1: move on from Kevin Zeitler, who is a quality guard,
Speaker 1: but because they have Austin Corbett on the roster and
Speaker 1: they wanted to use their draft pick fair enough, and
Speaker 1: Olivier Vernon fills a need. The other guy in that
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham trade was a manuel, but they are not
Speaker 1: excited obviously about the pass rusher opposite Miles Garrett. You
Speaker 1: get a twenty eight year od Olivier Vernon. Everyone's saying, oh,
Speaker 1: the Browns absorbed this massive cost. Well, Zeitler was costing ten,
Speaker 1: ten and twelve million over the next three years. Vernon
Speaker 1: is under contract for two more years for fifteen and fifteen.
Speaker 1: I like it. It's a trade. It was it would
Speaker 1: have been a huge draft need for them otherwise, and
Speaker 1: you find out if it works or not. He also
Speaker 1: moves back to a four three defense, which is more
Speaker 1: his traditional spot. Zeitler was Pro Football focused top pass
Speaker 1: blocking guard last year, so that to me, he's one
Speaker 1: of those guys PFF seems to love, I think more
Speaker 1: than the Browns for the Giants. It raised eyebrows um
Speaker 1: and I'm just reading about it as it happens. Because
Speaker 1: Vernon gets paid a lot of money for not a
Speaker 1: lot of production for the Giants who were desperate to
Speaker 1: move him, and they end up getting a guy that is,
Speaker 1: in some circles scene is the best in the business,
Speaker 1: at least from a pass blocking It seems like a
Speaker 1: big win for the GiB I think it's a win win.
Speaker 1: I actually would rather have Olivier Vernon because to me
Speaker 1: he These are two ultimately slight disappointments as free agent signings.
Speaker 1: They were both top ten guys on our Top one
Speaker 1: O one list when they were free agents. They both
Speaker 1: got huge deals. If if the Browns are so willing
Speaker 1: to move Zeitler, they can't be that much in love
Speaker 1: with him for at least whatever their scheme is now,
Speaker 1: Like I don't care, Like I know he's good, but
Speaker 1: he's been involved in these trade rumors. They must not
Speaker 1: be totally love. Vernon is productive when he plays. He's
Speaker 1: not a big sack guy, but he's a pressure guy.
Speaker 1: He's kind of like Brandon Graham in Philadelphia, Like he
Speaker 1: gets pressure when he plays. He's had some injuries, so
Speaker 1: there's some risk, but he's a pass rusher that's twenty eight.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy to pay him fifteen million.
Speaker 1: I like that for the Browns, and you make a
Speaker 1: good case for Zeitler. I'm the Giants that he's a
Speaker 1: nice pick up. Let's give him a win win. Wait
Speaker 1: is the Giants needed it and I and I just
Speaker 1: I think the Giants. One issue with the Giants. You
Speaker 1: now lost Olivia Vernon. You've lost the trade deadline last year,
Speaker 1: Snacks Harrison, Landon Collins has gone like to West's point
Speaker 1: a few days ago. Name like five players on the
Speaker 1: Giants defense. Unless you're an ultra nerd I mean, or
Speaker 1: someone that works inside the NFL, good luck because it's
Speaker 1: a bunch of no namers. They are my eyes lighting up.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'll take stomp on it. Uh. I
Speaker 1: guess this also, you know, illuminates how much money the
Speaker 1: Browns are one of the teams with the most cap space.
Speaker 1: You could do this because Vernon is getting paid like
Speaker 1: star money. But if have the money, spend it. But
Speaker 1: you also dumped the Ferst contract. You're really not paying
Speaker 1: that much more and it's only for two more years.
Speaker 1: You're not taking on a five years. If Vernon was
Speaker 1: a free agent, I don't think he would do much
Speaker 1: worse than the contract he's on. I really I really
Speaker 1: think he would get like at twenty five million guaranteed
Speaker 1: over the first two years of his deal if he
Speaker 1: was a free agent right now, Because if he was
Speaker 1: a free agent, just looking at our list, for instance,
Speaker 1: Malik Jackson is supposed to get cut today, that's not
Speaker 1: a surprise. He's gonna go right into our top twenty.
Speaker 1: I would probably have him right around where Oliviv Vernon
Speaker 1: would have been a top fifteen to twenty free agent.
Speaker 1: He would have gotten paid by someone twelve thirteen, fourteen,
Speaker 1: just because he's a young guy who can play. To
Speaker 1: your point, and yeah, I agree to win. Win to
Speaker 1: your point, though, why why not go the draft route
Speaker 1: and take a swing on a hopefully butter and cheaper
Speaker 1: than Vernon. I think they. I think they can because again,
Speaker 1: this is a two year commitment to Livia Vernon. And
Speaker 1: just so we don't easy to cut, they didn't give
Speaker 1: him any If it doesn't work out, they'll cut him
Speaker 1: next and just so we don't have come back here
Speaker 1: and two hours now for another emergency update to this
Speaker 1: Gleek Jackson. Leek Jackson has been cut, as has Carlos
Speaker 1: Hide from the by the Jackson. Another spill by Greg
Speaker 1: by the way, it just happened not to be just
Speaker 1: not on technology this time. The coffee was behind his laptop.
Speaker 1: My laptop was in the vicinity. That would have been horrendous.
Speaker 1: If Greg's well this is sloppy, ways could have cost
Speaker 1: me in a big Well this, you know is a
Speaker 1: beautiful you know, kind of the mug with a small
Speaker 1: open he's barely any came out, all right, good, good
Speaker 1: breaking news, Combo. Thanks for coming in. Dan. Oh no,
Speaker 1: you got a grind now this about me. I came in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you good job to you. Now, you're right, You're right.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. We didn't hear from you initially. You know,
Speaker 1: last night I was actually news happening. Dan's texting me
Speaker 1: right away, and like I was on the on a
Speaker 1: date night, and you know, so I put the phone
Speaker 1: in the back pocket and like we're driving around and
Speaker 1: get home. There's like eight hundred and fifty texts about
Speaker 1: all the like massive breaking news, like you got home
Speaker 1: from the date night and smone was like where were
Speaker 1: you exactly? Um, alright, anyway, So now we're gonna throw
Speaker 1: it too. I step away, I disappear, I got the
Speaker 1: time boortex and I'm gone. I'm replaced by Chris Westley
Speaker 1: and Patrick claiban Take it away, boys, be Around the
Speaker 1: NFL Podcast turned down coaching the Bengals. Welcome to another
Speaker 1: edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. I'm Greg Rosenthal
Speaker 1: and I'm here in a room overflowing with heroes, just
Speaker 1: not the normal ones. It's Mark Sessler, Chris Westley, and
Speaker 1: Patrick Claibon in the house. Oh yeah, hey, Greg, it's
Speaker 1: good mixing it up. You're Greg's Ed McMahon, just like
Speaker 1: I'm Dan's, uh, you know, a little different week. Dan
Speaker 1: um out for a couple of shows, but we've got
Speaker 1: Claibon here. It's kind of the calm before the free
Speaker 1: agency storm, but a lot of people chirping out there,
Speaker 1: and that means there's just been a lot of trash
Speaker 1: he takes, just kind of piling up over the last
Speaker 1: few months. And that's where the man Patrick Claybron comes
Speaker 1: in and he just cleans up that trash. And that's
Speaker 1: what I like to do, you know. I like to
Speaker 1: sift through society's refuse and get covered in it and
Speaker 1: have it affect my mental state and get really angry
Speaker 1: at it and then try to hold onto it it's
Speaker 1: been a while been in here, so you must have
Speaker 1: like a mountain of trash along maybe since last off season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's been a while, but I understand you guys,
Speaker 1: are you know, traveling the globe, falling in love, you know,
Speaker 1: creating progeny. I means, yeah, West has been in love
Speaker 1: for quite a while. But yeah, he has a wedding
Speaker 1: coming up. I believe you have some wedding related activity
Speaker 1: this weekend that you're flying off to. I have a
Speaker 1: shower in St. Louis. Yes, you have to be there.
Speaker 1: I believe me. I've asked that question. Support all right,
Speaker 1: there's a shower in my own family is throwing in Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: and I'm not even allowed to be there, which is
Speaker 1: how should be. Okay, so that's what you're doing. Uh
Speaker 1: tam Posey the loose cannon behind the glass is alive
Speaker 1: and heading off to a European vacation. So there's just
Speaker 1: like a lot going on. Oh yeah, are you ready?
Speaker 1: Are you packed? Are you ready? Like what? I'm half packed.
Speaker 1: I gotta pack a little bit more tonight and then
Speaker 1: I'm going to take off. Got a lot of d
Speaker 1: ms from yesterday's show, A lot of people. So now
Speaker 1: they're double ironic, right, because it's normally it's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not that guy. But then it's like you didn't
Speaker 1: listen to this show. Yeah, we we commented on the untoward,
Speaker 1: uh cheesy d ms you get from interested man. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was reading through a couple of them, and one
Speaker 1: of them, that's my favorite one. I just found it
Speaker 1: this morning. It just said, hey, Comma, Patriots suck. I like,
Speaker 1: that's like, why are you why are you sliding into
Speaker 1: my d ms to say that are any of them
Speaker 1: creative or entertaining on any level? I mean no, they're
Speaker 1: kind of lame. Because someone's like, I hope my girlfriend
Speaker 1: and my photo shows you that I'm not a creepy guy.
Speaker 1: That's another Yeah, that's kind of another way to do it,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not normal. Someone's like, I hope you know
Speaker 1: that by looking in my photo that it's me and
Speaker 1: my girlfriend, you don't find me being another creepy guy,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean the vast majority of these people,
Speaker 1: like unemployed, like twenty one year olds in Ireland, A
Speaker 1: lot of them are people now that I'm going abroad
Speaker 1: being like where are you going here? Yeah, that's why
Speaker 1: you don't want to totally gonna be on this continent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've been. You've been announcing it on your multi on
Speaker 1: your three podcasts that you're a part of your of
Speaker 1: course the producer of the Justin Nick and Rosenthal Vanity
Speaker 1: Project that that we do together, unnecessary plug for a
Speaker 1: comedy center. Why not get him in here and then?
Speaker 1: But the bigger news I wanted to bring up is
Speaker 1: you had kind of an emotional episode of the broadcast
Speaker 1: with m v P now announcing her departure. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's it's our it's our break up Part one. There
Speaker 1: is a part two coming um that you well, you
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta listen. I'm waiting for it, which which
Speaker 1: part includes my sound But that was recorded in an
Speaker 1: alley two about a mile from here. I think it's
Speaker 1: part two. So yeah, everyone please check out all of
Speaker 1: the ants and dweller. Well, I was, I was actually
Speaker 1: when you guys when no, Well, here's the thing I was.
Speaker 1: I was walked from work all the way to the
Speaker 1: end of a lot we are on Washington Boulevard, all
Speaker 1: the way to Spulvida, and then I got the request.
Speaker 1: I thought, if I don't do it now, it will
Speaker 1: be the next day. So I did it, but I
Speaker 1: was walking while leaving a voice molately to listen to later.
Speaker 1: I mean, no one has more beautiful alley shots in
Speaker 1: their I g uh back catalog than Mark Sessler. You
Speaker 1: should create an account just call it alle Graham. Why
Speaker 1: so many alleys though, because they're not convenient, right, But
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a I'm always an alley's in l A.
Speaker 1: It's an empty too, outside of like the annoying, like
Speaker 1: gigantic vehicle that's going one mile an hour to try
Speaker 1: to dodge you as like, and Santa Monica feels like
Speaker 1: it's mostly alley with like a side of actual streets. Alright,
Speaker 1: I think I'm like deeply jealous of Erica's travel plans,
Speaker 1: not at all jealous of yours. Wess is, let's do
Speaker 1: some news Erica, ridiculous Boker, get out of a freaking way.
Speaker 1: It's Odell Beckham. It's oh b J, I call him
Speaker 1: Ody b Uh. The Cleveland Browns a lot of whispers. Mark.
Speaker 1: You texted us three or four days ago saying like
Speaker 1: you're hearing a lot on the Brown's dark web about
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham, which and then like two days later it
Speaker 1: really did come out into the national consciousness. And Andrew Hawkins,
Speaker 1: who also has a podcast, Former Brown, kind of put
Speaker 1: it out there and it got to the point where
Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport and Tom Pellicero are addressing it Friday Thursday
Speaker 1: rather on up to the minute and rap Sheet said
Speaker 1: the brown the Giants have no interest in trading Nodell
Speaker 1: Beckham and Addi Kinkawala was on a Cleveland radio station
Speaker 1: saying that she heard there was an offer from the
Speaker 1: Browns that would have included Kevin Zeitler, Emmanuel Agba and
Speaker 1: a third player that she wasn't sure about. The Giant
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield and the Giant A Giant Stars shot it
Speaker 1: down that they would never be interested in It's unclear
Speaker 1: like if that offer happened, But there's there's buzz out there.
Speaker 1: Are you buying it well, I'm buying that they I
Speaker 1: am buying that a phone call might have been made
Speaker 1: from Cleveland to New York. I don't think there's been
Speaker 1: literally a sand grain of evidence to suggest that New
Speaker 1: York is calling anyone about moving Beckham, but it was
Speaker 1: it was. John Dorset said the Combine. He held up
Speaker 1: his phone and he's like, listen, call me, I'll call you.
Speaker 1: He's like, they are the Browns I think are going
Speaker 1: to be very active in free agency. They still have
Speaker 1: a ton of kappram. The Kevin Zeiler thing from the
Speaker 1: start on this so called Brown's dark web was yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Sometimes Marcus has this Brown's and information
Speaker 1: and he doesn't tell us where it comes from. Um
Speaker 1: when I when I floated to you guys on text,
Speaker 1: it's like, unless, like the Associated Press reported this an
Speaker 1: hour ago, it's not legit. It's like I said, this
Speaker 1: is this is totally out there. It's maybe total b s,
Speaker 1: but it's out there. And the Zeitler thing was always
Speaker 1: packaging Zeitler plus X, Y and Z to a team
Speaker 1: that desperately needed offensive line help and have offered something
Speaker 1: big in return, and the Giants makes sense when you
Speaker 1: pull that together. I think that it's crazy to think
Speaker 1: that you would trade Kevin Zeitler Emmanuel Ogba, who the
Speaker 1: Browns are essentially looking to upgrade from. Already, Zeitler is
Speaker 1: being replaced by a second year player they drafted, and
Speaker 1: I don't know who the player to be named is,
Speaker 1: but that is usually a lesser player than the players
Speaker 1: that are named Why on earth would you move Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham for that? To me from that's why the story
Speaker 1: feels massively incomplete to me this of back in the
Speaker 1: days when I used to play Dynasty League fantasy football.
Speaker 1: The best way to get it in dynasty football is
Speaker 1: to trade all of your like kind of good players
Speaker 1: for an absolute superstar. Like why would the Giants want
Speaker 1: to trade for these like, okay, slightly above average starters
Speaker 1: when you've got a souper? What would the Giants be
Speaker 1: telling every single person that follows the Giants if you
Speaker 1: made that move one day, become a GM in trade
Speaker 1: with us, because you can absolutely take advantage of us
Speaker 1: by packaging together the guys that you aren't going to resign,
Speaker 1: and we'll, you know, give you our transcendent guy who
Speaker 1: may be on his way to Canton. I think perhaps, um,
Speaker 1: first of all, Mark and add are in the same
Speaker 1: dark web, which I think is cool, Like no doubt
Speaker 1: do you guys? Used? Like what's true? Because I listened
Speaker 1: to this radio appearance she had, and she's buddies with
Speaker 1: all the guys in Cleveland, Bull and Fox. Uh, there's
Speaker 1: some other you know, there's some other station. She was
Speaker 1: clearly on a you know, she's deep into this dark one.
Speaker 1: But we'll say one thing. It was not. I have
Speaker 1: not contacted Nick Shook, who already is inside the Brown Spillion.
Speaker 1: He had nothing to do with you. You You cultivated. That's
Speaker 1: worse for five years. Well, Shook has lost his membership
Speaker 1: in the dark web. Right, you have to remove your
Speaker 1: hood and you have to state your purposes. I think
Speaker 1: Shook essentially now has to be you know, he's writing
Speaker 1: for the team's website. Those the team websites typically are
Speaker 1: not hot. Take machines and state the facts and get
Speaker 1: out of there because I don't have to see Shook
Speaker 1: break the Odell Beckham story. But he's not going to
Speaker 1: be doing that. Does that Does that hurt? Do you
Speaker 1: think that hurts the relations doubting you he told me,
Speaker 1: I mean, he'll tell you the thing you from inside.
Speaker 1: I live in fear of an angry Shook does everything noticed.
Speaker 1: But in terms of GMS, right, let's say that that
Speaker 1: is the conversation. He's like, Hey, what if you want
Speaker 1: this trash for Odell Beckham Jr? Does that hurt? Through
Speaker 1: the chance of a future trade if somebody makes trash
Speaker 1: trade offers to you or is it just like a
Speaker 1: man get out of here. I think it leaves a
Speaker 1: bad taste in your mouth. But if you want a
Speaker 1: guy on the other team bad enough, you're you're gonna overlook. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like the Dynasty League you were talking about, Like
Speaker 1: that's the guy you just end up talking you know about.
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, enough enough with those enough with
Speaker 1: these offers, Ricky, Like you know Adrian Peter, You know
Speaker 1: that the guy who was always just sending these moonshot
Speaker 1: offers is hoping someone finally takes it. But do we
Speaker 1: think John Ercy actually called up and think that insane
Speaker 1: offer Fatiano? Does that move a little bit? I think
Speaker 1: in his in his league, and it might make people
Speaker 1: reluctant to trade with him. Maybe there are There have
Speaker 1: been other reports though that Zeisler is available now. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that was connected, and Duke Johnson could
Speaker 1: also be available in a trade, I would be stunned.
Speaker 1: I think the Duke Johnson probably boils down to where
Speaker 1: the Kareem Hunt suspension is. But Duke Johnson is someone
Speaker 1: that they have never figured out two how to how
Speaker 1: to actually maximize under multiple multiple coaches and he's sort
Speaker 1: of the guy left out of the mix at this
Speaker 1: point a little surprising. Zeitler would potentially get treated one
Speaker 1: of but one of the highest paid guards in the league.
Speaker 1: And I guess they like his bad Where they drafted
Speaker 1: Austin Corbett last year in the second round and he
Speaker 1: sat the bench. Oh you're so, they're probably looking to
Speaker 1: play him and cut Zeitler's contract. So Zeitler could be
Speaker 1: part of this whole trade to Nami. As Patrick Claiban
Speaker 1: once named, I named it on my head. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: waiting about it like a movie poster and there's Greg
Speaker 1: riding a wave that's actually making the number two. I'm
Speaker 1: waiting for I'm waiting for it. There's so many players
Speaker 1: that seem like they're available right now. There's so much
Speaker 1: salary cap space. As we tape, this hasn't really started yet,
Speaker 1: and I just feel like it's gonna be trades, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be cuts, it's gonna be everything. The entire NFL
Speaker 1: offseason is basically gonna happen in the next ten days
Speaker 1: or so, which is wild. But here's some of the
Speaker 1: names that have just come up in the last you know,
Speaker 1: two days. Michael Bennett of the Eagles on the market,
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn on the Dolphins. Pellicero said there's been some
Speaker 1: trade Ducks and Jordan Howard uh has been talked about.
Speaker 1: According to esp Scheft landed and right, and but so
Speaker 1: I guess it's been back. It's back now that there's
Speaker 1: there's some more talks. Which which of these guys you
Speaker 1: know strikes your fancy well, Jordan Howard to me is
Speaker 1: the one like I could definitely see him getting traded.
Speaker 1: And when people say he doesn't fit Matt Naggy's offense,
Speaker 1: it's the same reason why a lot of teams aren't
Speaker 1: interested in Adrian Peterson, because you have to build the
Speaker 1: offense around them as an every down power back. Once
Speaker 1: they're on the field. In passing situations, it's to tell that, hey,
Speaker 1: this guy is and we're not passing the ball to
Speaker 1: this guy. If he's in the game, we're running it.
Speaker 1: There were whispers that the Dolphins had some interest in
Speaker 1: him at the trade deadline last year, and he's entering
Speaker 1: a contract here, so now, this is exactly what the
Speaker 1: Giants didn't do with Landon Collins. If you want to
Speaker 1: get anything for him, make it happen now. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine you get too much. No, you get like a
Speaker 1: late pick. It's's a tough situation, especially for Jordan Howard U.
Speaker 1: You know, you get moved to a team and you're like,
Speaker 1: you don't know if they want to commit to you
Speaker 1: long term and you're going into a contract year. Um,
Speaker 1: something shiny may come up in the draft and that
Speaker 1: guy may may get more than you. It puts these
Speaker 1: guys in a it's a situation, especially at running back.
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys that always that you're not
Speaker 1: quite sure why he's good. He always seems to do
Speaker 1: better and get more yards than you expect, Like he
Speaker 1: doesn't look that fast, but he's still like I can
Speaker 1: get past people. He's one of the I don't know,
Speaker 1: you can see why he fell a little bit in
Speaker 1: the draft and the same sort of reasons why people
Speaker 1: don't give him a lot of credit. But he's still
Speaker 1: pretty effective. Oh So. Michael Bennett and Robert Quinn sort
Speaker 1: of had the inverse seasons last year. Quinn started out
Speaker 1: in September and early October playing really well and faded
Speaker 1: down the stretch. Michael Bennett was incredible down the stretch,
Speaker 1: he was great playing lights out and to me, that's
Speaker 1: a little surprising that they get rid of him as
Speaker 1: well as he played. They're just in such that it's
Speaker 1: such a money situation with the with the Eagles right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of my maximum that cap space is overrated.
Speaker 1: But for the Eagles, they are probably in as much
Speaker 1: trouble as anyone. And I think they would say they
Speaker 1: they're fine playing it close to the cap because they
Speaker 1: feel like they can be flexible. But sometimes in this situation,
Speaker 1: it's like you just have to make a choice between
Speaker 1: about four good defensive alignment. And Chris Long is on
Speaker 1: the books next year. He's a great value and so
Speaker 1: you know, and he's been you know, he's been there
Speaker 1: a little longer, and Bennett's older. I'd like to see
Speaker 1: Ben in Atlanta. They've had some issues trying to keep
Speaker 1: Beasley healthy, get him to make some plays the part
Speaker 1: the playoff game where you would be a great fit
Speaker 1: and get into the double digits in place uh, purely healthy.
Speaker 1: Brooks Reid was playing a lot. Uh yeah, wait wait
Speaker 1: on the Robert Quinn front though, It's like this is
Speaker 1: one of those classic The Dolphins are looking to trade
Speaker 1: him or they're just going to release him. He saves
Speaker 1: them thirteen million with zero dead money if he gets
Speaker 1: cut him every September. Because I used to love Robert Quinn.
Speaker 1: There was that one year. I think it was I
Speaker 1: was convinced he was going to be like the next
Speaker 1: great defensive player. And every year he seems to start
Speaker 1: off a house on fire and then you know, he
Speaker 1: has these chronic back issues and I think that's probably
Speaker 1: what ends up showing up by November December, so yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll probably cut him. I thought the Giants were gonna
Speaker 1: cut Olivier Vernon, but Jones and uh rap sheet said
Speaker 1: on up to the minute that it looks like now
Speaker 1: they're going to keep Olivier Vernon. They couldn't, you know,
Speaker 1: he was maybe available in a trade, but he's making
Speaker 1: a lot of money. I think that's telling about the
Speaker 1: past rush market that that that they will keep him,
Speaker 1: And I think it's smart. Do you have a manual
Speaker 1: book coming your way so you don't need Olivia? He's
Speaker 1: only twenty eight years old. Olivier Vernon, It's like they're
Speaker 1: not going to get better by continuing to cut another
Speaker 1: of their best players. Also another guy who played really
Speaker 1: well at the end of last year, that's right. What
Speaker 1: I wonder what it does for the free agent edge
Speaker 1: rusher market when six or seven guys are getting the
Speaker 1: franchise tag, Like, does that ultimately hurt how much the
Speaker 1: guys are getting paid or raised them? I mean, I
Speaker 1: think what hurts just as much as this draft class,
Speaker 1: which is that's meant to be the position now, I
Speaker 1: think it helps it. So I think you're talking about
Speaker 1: Preston Smith, Zadarius Smith and then potentially DeFord on a
Speaker 1: new contract, Like I am not buying that he's going
Speaker 1: to be a member of the Chiefs if he's available
Speaker 1: in a trade. I just don't understand why he wouldn't
Speaker 1: get traded because he's It's hard to find guys like that,
Speaker 1: Like and if if it only takes a maybe a
Speaker 1: third round pick to get d Ford, and I would
Speaker 1: guess that's the case if if they're willing to trade them,
Speaker 1: like someone's gonna do it. By April, go get for
Speaker 1: Trey Flower is probably gonna make seventeen eight two million
Speaker 1: dollars by April or by next Friday, maybe by next
Speaker 1: Friday for d Ford. New NFL strategy collect as many
Speaker 1: threes as you can and then wait for wait to
Speaker 1: trade for guys like d Ford cycle them out right.
Speaker 1: I think trade like veteran trades, mid mid round trades
Speaker 1: is kind of a nice move that the Eagles and
Speaker 1: the Rams and the and the Patriots have done quite
Speaker 1: well over the last few years. And another one is
Speaker 1: picking up these guys like Michael Bennett. I think that's
Speaker 1: the new money ball, thirty three year olds on one
Speaker 1: year contracts that are actually still good at football. Everyone's
Speaker 1: so afraid to pay them. They help you withven Haven.
Speaker 1: The Patriots been doing that for fifteen years or more. Yeah, yeah, Like, hey,
Speaker 1: if you want to win a championship, come play for
Speaker 1: us for cheap. You just woke Erica up. I know
Speaker 1: Eric has got a big old smile on it. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen you smile all the way. You do. Look
Speaker 1: like a totally different person than than forty eight hours ago.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Which is how you make Patriots fans happy.
Speaker 1: You discuss value, because that's that's what they that's what
Speaker 1: looks smiles across the run. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I want to keep Trey Flowers.
Speaker 1: I don't. You're not even a real Patriots, but you're
Speaker 1: already looking forward to I'm the realist. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you listened to Monday's show, but I was there
Speaker 1: when Doug Flutie went around uh around uh end They're
Speaker 1: scored a touchdown on the cultural When you said I
Speaker 1: can't wait to dump the Patriots, I know, I know
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't bet Greg, you don't. You don't
Speaker 1: really believe. One reason why I don't read the subred ever,
Speaker 1: but they you are getting taken. You are takeetting taken
Speaker 1: behind the wood shed, your Patriots fan. Because he literally
Speaker 1: was like, all, when Brady and Belichick leave, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to be a fair good one less Patriots. I
Speaker 1: was just trying to be real about it. When Belichick retires,
Speaker 1: am I going to be as invested? Maybe we'll see
Speaker 1: if they have Josh Rosen maybe, but maybe you are.
Speaker 1: You do understand that you are being tagged, and correctly
Speaker 1: so by definition, as the ultimate fair weather fan that
Speaker 1: the minute that the coach at the well, how no, well,
Speaker 1: if it's going to transfer to those those folks, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm saying you're like listening, You're not ready
Speaker 1: to go through a dark stretch with them basically, which
Speaker 1: is that as like I thought about the nature of
Speaker 1: being a fan of any team and letting any team
Speaker 1: kind of control your emotions up and down. Combine that
Speaker 1: with the fact that we won I mean Erica America
Speaker 1: and I want the lottery. This is it. You're not
Speaker 1: going to top this. This is the greatest run in anything.
Speaker 1: It's even better. But so it's like, you're not going
Speaker 1: to top that. I don't want to be in in
Speaker 1: something that's only getting a little worker. Here we go.
Speaker 1: What hurts your argument is that you're gonna wait to
Speaker 1: do it? Do it now? Yeah? Do it? Well? Belichick
Speaker 1: is still there. What does that say about your character?
Speaker 1: That you jumped them in of things get tough? That's
Speaker 1: how we've had That's how but that's how everyone else
Speaker 1: is looking at it. I had a great with McDaniels
Speaker 1: and an elevator at Combine. Who you're just a last
Speaker 1: name basis Okay, Yeah, we Josh, we talked about his
Speaker 1: wife and we were we go way back. We had
Speaker 1: to wait for Yeah, we we were really cool. Now
Speaker 1: the future is still so bright. What did he tell you?
Speaker 1: He didn't know? Here's the thing they would probably be
Speaker 1: in this future world. They are probably they're almost absolutely
Speaker 1: one a. But I I feel like my nature of
Speaker 1: fandom is different within all these guys on the reddit
Speaker 1: board and you guys anyways, is that you guys know me.
Speaker 1: I end up brooding for like four or five six
Speaker 1: other teams, none as emotionally as the Patriots, but you
Speaker 1: just kind of see who you like. That's how you should.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a total You're talking to a Browns
Speaker 1: fan that has lived in essentially, he's kind of like
Speaker 1: West to or you know players, No, but you and
Speaker 1: West are not the same though. West. You can't just
Speaker 1: say that you're West because you're gonna jump out on
Speaker 1: the Patriots. They've not given you any anything but love
Speaker 1: and joyful moments that even before it gets bad, you're
Speaker 1: gonna cut bait just because it's kind of like it
Speaker 1: might get bad. Maybe it's not even bad, but just
Speaker 1: like have the average time that you had together be
Speaker 1: that excellent. It's like, maybe you should quit your wet
Speaker 1: your marriage right when it's at the top. Why don't
Speaker 1: your total vility? I'm just because then Sierra might come along, right,
Speaker 1: It makes sense ultimately the way I feel about it,
Speaker 1: I I don't care about fan hood as much because
Speaker 1: then it was like, well, Patrick, what if hypothetically somebody
Speaker 1: wanted to stop being a fan of the New England Patriots.
Speaker 1: And my reaction to that is, yes, more people should
Speaker 1: do that. About the page you were pretty broken up
Speaker 1: about when Lamar and uh the Ravens lost in that
Speaker 1: first round, and I think it got you still searching
Speaker 1: about fandom, like you don't want to be I just
Speaker 1: emotion no, purely, I just don't like the Patriots, which
Speaker 1: and I love Greg and I would like for Greg
Speaker 1: to not like the Patriots anymore. Yeah, it's cool, all right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll listen, but I'm not I am in
Speaker 1: no way by And there's something This is a bunch
Speaker 1: of one of the ones you need to get your
Speaker 1: It's the nonchalance that rankles me. When I broke up
Speaker 1: at the Bengals. It was one of the most scarring
Speaker 1: processes of my life and still scares me to this day.
Speaker 1: What was what was the moment? I think it's a
Speaker 1: good con when they cut Lee Johnson get because he
Speaker 1: criticized the organization, the content, if nothing else. And but
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a bit Greg but it does
Speaker 1: make me. It's just another thing. I'm like, I have
Speaker 1: no idea who Greg is at all. I just don't
Speaker 1: understand at all. It just won't be the same without
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. That's that's all I'm saying. He's my number
Speaker 1: one guy. It's gonna be Josh McDaniels. According to Erica's
Speaker 1: makes it worse if you don't quit. Now, let's move
Speaker 1: on to Monday, and we talked about Bugger. I know this.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is the downstairs, you know, Mark
Speaker 1: and I were talking. We're like, this is it where
Speaker 1: we don't have much to talk about it. It's a
Speaker 1: thirty five minutes show. Finally we're gonna do it. We're
Speaker 1: gonna keep it efficient. This is gonna be like our
Speaker 1: addition of the Daily And I'm Michael Barbarrow, but it's
Speaker 1: not happening. You get a Barbaro impression. Before we go.
Speaker 1: Let's just do the report that the Booger Mobile is
Speaker 1: not gonna be back that Sporting News is saying, we
Speaker 1: don't know if Booger McFarland's gonna be back, but no
Speaker 1: matter what, the Booger Mobile is not coming back. Well,
Speaker 1: if I know that network well enough, there will be
Speaker 1: plenty of gimmicks to replace it. Instead of actual analysis,
Speaker 1: I want to know what the cost in human resources
Speaker 1: was to facilitate the Boogermobile and how many people had
Speaker 1: to lose their jobs in order for the people are
Speaker 1: losing their jobs. Was fine and I liked his analysis.
Speaker 1: I don't think there was anything bad about it. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe it didn't help the chemistry between him and Wittin.
Speaker 1: Maybe that I would say what I don't have to give.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was gonna work. No matter what.
Speaker 1: We had to give Dan Handon some credit because on
Speaker 1: our Twitter show, I would say, over the course of
Speaker 1: the season, the boogermobile and its issues. Uh he he
Speaker 1: brought it up multiple times. But if I were to
Speaker 1: list the things that I want removed from Monday Night Football,
Speaker 1: one of them is gone. Uh he's now with the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. This infrastructure on wheels, it's not nearly in
Speaker 1: my my the deepest on my radar. There are other
Speaker 1: people they need to cut, continue to cut the fat
Speaker 1: off of this is testa tour back or do they
Speaker 1: just start? That's whether that tells you whether not Mark
Speaker 1: watches Monday and Football with the sound did they did
Speaker 1: they start over or not? Did they blow it up?
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner has been thrown out there, Lewis Riddick, what's
Speaker 1: wrong with keeping it in the fairway? What's wrong with
Speaker 1: the broadcast just being fine and us just appreciating they
Speaker 1: try to do too much. That's that's my top complaint.
Speaker 1: I just want I just want to watch the right
Speaker 1: No one would complaine, like like if it was the
Speaker 1: number three Fox team and they just were doing Monday
Speaker 1: night football in the same sort of good Sunday game,
Speaker 1: meeting potatoes him, don't deliver in the middle of the game.
Speaker 1: We don't need like the whole debate about everything. It's
Speaker 1: like a lot of It's the answer, though, I think,
Speaker 1: is that like a lot of reasons why corporations are
Speaker 1: sucking the soul out of America founder and frustrating um
Speaker 1: and that's it's people having to justify their jobs. That
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people on the payroll, and there's
Speaker 1: also that just means there's a lot more people having
Speaker 1: to justify what they do by somehow being part of
Speaker 1: it and making a decision or adding this or that,
Speaker 1: And it's just they could always cut salary at the top,
Speaker 1: they never do that. You're like, you walk around our
Speaker 1: building and we don't go to meetings mostly at all,
Speaker 1: which has been out of him a lot. But you
Speaker 1: walk by any like room that with more than eight seats,
Speaker 1: and it's just a bunch of people sitting around, and
Speaker 1: you know that nothing's happening in the meeting. And there's
Speaker 1: always every meeting you go to has three or four
Speaker 1: people that must inject a comment just to say, listen,
Speaker 1: I checked the box, I'm here, I'm Engagementally, you're common
Speaker 1: is wasting all the time, You've said nothing of value,
Speaker 1: and yet somehow inside your building credits a lot of
Speaker 1: people's jobs. That's what I'm saying that shouldn't be When
Speaker 1: there was a surprising you know, there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of departures at the top level of the NFL all
Speaker 1: over the years, and I've heard different things, you know,
Speaker 1: when people have been forced to leave it, and you know,
Speaker 1: one of those things is like, well he didn't really
Speaker 1: add much in meetings, you know, And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: who is I've never what are you talking about? What
Speaker 1: are you asking? Middle manage ever really came up with
Speaker 1: some great ideas and meetings like as opposed to what
Speaker 1: we're back on the same wavelength. Last item of news.
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears really set up Twitter punch line writers all
Speaker 1: over the country by signing the kicker Chris Blewett. Right, So,
Speaker 1: after Cody Parkey blew it, they signed a kicker to
Speaker 1: replace him named Blue I mean, which is a joke
Speaker 1: that writes itself. But he does join third string quarterback
Speaker 1: David Fails and former Giants tight end will tie on
Speaker 1: the declarative sentence all storms. I think that's a good take.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that on the blew it front. I
Speaker 1: was wondering where you were gonna come would that? Would
Speaker 1: you count Cody Parkey is Parky of herb. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe his name was Cody Parks, well Will Parks
Speaker 1: for the Will Parks that you see people change their
Speaker 1: names for professional reasons all the time. There's a strong
Speaker 1: case for him, at some point in his life to
Speaker 1: say I'll go by this for my taxes, blew it
Speaker 1: as my last name. But in general, as a kicker,
Speaker 1: you know you've got to see this is gonna happen.
Speaker 1: This is gonna the minute you make any sort of
Speaker 1: headway in your career bang, people gonna be all over it.
Speaker 1: Change your name. What would the best kicker name be?
Speaker 1: What if his name was Chris last name just the
Speaker 1: letter base. Now, how about Chris Clutch, like something something edgy,
Speaker 1: like like Chris Laser. I like it shows a Chris
Speaker 1: a tough character. I feel like he was like well
Speaker 1: nine years old, his last name was blew It, and
Speaker 1: he was like, you know what I'm gonna do. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna prove everyone wrong. I'm gonna be an NFL kicker
Speaker 1: with this last name. And he's liked it so far,
Speaker 1: so good. He's at a newser after a kid gets
Speaker 1: blocked and people are asking him tough questions. You think
Speaker 1: you can hurt me. My name's Blewett, But that position
Speaker 1: is such a mental and psychological gauntlet already, and then
Speaker 1: you're stuck with that name, You're already gonna be down here.
Speaker 1: There was even like Matt Barr when he occasionally would
Speaker 1: hit the crossbar became Matt cross Bar, and it's like
Speaker 1: even that sneaky, annoying if you're uh. Also a mental
Speaker 1: mentally difficult thing to get over is when you get
Speaker 1: thrown into the mix on trash stakes with Patrick Laban,
Speaker 1: and we are so overdue to start this segment that
Speaker 1: I think we should just do it right now. It's
Speaker 1: trash Takes with Patrick Laban and now trash Takes with Patrick.
Speaker 1: I forgot about friends just dropping dropping heat. Um, let's
Speaker 1: get right into it. Well for for new listeners. Patrick
Speaker 1: is the host of Up to the Minute on NFL
Speaker 1: Network on on Friday's some other many many other days.
Speaker 1: Hosts a variety of programs on NFL Network. But he's
Speaker 1: He's also known kind of as a Twitter superstar, great
Speaker 1: great great TWI at her feed. Um, you know, has
Speaker 1: a good way of deciding who has the right take,
Speaker 1: who has the wrong take, and letting them know about
Speaker 1: it in a way, um that humiliates them. And so
Speaker 1: this this segment, this segment is called trash Takes with
Speaker 1: Patrick Claybron where he brings out some takes he didn't appreciate.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I don't want to try to humiliate people.
Speaker 1: I just I love myself. I was playing in my opinion,
Speaker 1: I was playing it up. You know, I'm a I'm
Speaker 1: a fan of of your sharp win Twitter dot com
Speaker 1: and shout out to Alex Wilko, who in the past
Speaker 1: has tried to because he looks out for me and
Speaker 1: he tries to keep me from going too far. In
Speaker 1: many instances, you know, there's a hot mic and he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know somebody might be listening. Um, And so we
Speaker 1: kept the names out of the last time that we
Speaker 1: did this. Uh, We're not going to do that this time. Yes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here comes from Warriors seventeen seventy six, which is always
Speaker 1: an issue at Chad mood Heart, he says, speaking of
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, Yeah, but Brady has his ring size on file,
Speaker 1: emoji shrug, cool stats and all. But Mahomes needs to
Speaker 1: develop into a leader like Brady, otherwise we will have
Speaker 1: another Rogers on our hands, all hype and excuses as
Speaker 1: to why he can't win more. That tweet is checking
Speaker 1: a lot of box Wait what was the handle again? You?
Speaker 1: What's that smell? It's trash takes with Patrick at Chad
Speaker 1: Moothart replying to Pro Football Focus, and I think what
Speaker 1: I've tried to do here today is because the trash
Speaker 1: takes genre has has spanned out into so many different things.
Speaker 1: As West said, it just has so much going on. Right,
Speaker 1: there's the novel, there's the rings argument, which is always trash.
Speaker 1: There's the Rogers isn't good our our argument or a leader? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's the Mahomes thing and excuses it's it's bad,
Speaker 1: it's trash. After after one year of the Patrick Holmes
Speaker 1: experience in which he's won the m v P and
Speaker 1: then script thirty two points in the a f C
Speaker 1: Championship game, including twenty eight in the fourth quarter, and
Speaker 1: that year that he didn't have a single awful game,
Speaker 1: not one, not one, and also throwing in stats as
Speaker 1: if it can't be possible that you would have great
Speaker 1: stats and be a leader. But he's a great example,
Speaker 1: I believe you know, he obviously played more than well
Speaker 1: enough to beat the Patriots that day, and in how
Speaker 1: different of an off season it would be for him
Speaker 1: if the instead of the Patriots were talking about we're
Speaker 1: talking about the twenty eight points he put up in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter to go to the Super Bowl on
Speaker 1: the way to romping the Rams, which I kind of
Speaker 1: have a feeling that the Chiefs would have done. Right.
Speaker 1: This is how narratives started, like Patrick Mahomes is less
Speaker 1: good because Tom Brady entered the zone in overtime, right
Speaker 1: because of a coin flip, Well, he needs to be
Speaker 1: better at Ford was in the neutral zone. Although you
Speaker 1: know when you watch that play, this is my chance
Speaker 1: to bring this up. No one ever brings up. It's
Speaker 1: very unclear whether the Brady was actually intercepted and the
Speaker 1: guy got in bounced. No. I forget who was Kinne Puller.
Speaker 1: I went back can looked at it and it was
Speaker 1: very I looked at multiple angles. They would have gone
Speaker 1: a review. I'm just saying. Everyone was saying that day
Speaker 1: cost him the Super Bowl. You don't know that that
Speaker 1: actually might not have got stop liking the Patriots. Correct? Okay,
Speaker 1: next trash steake Okay. Uh. This one combines a couple
Speaker 1: of genres as well, one of which I hate the
Speaker 1: most is ratings. Uh, combined with the Rams don't have
Speaker 1: any fans, this guy said, fact, Simmy Colin, more people
Speaker 1: in l A watched the Pats Chiefs than Ram Saints.
Speaker 1: That's never happened before for a home team to have
Speaker 1: less viewers within their local market in conjunction with another
Speaker 1: game the same day. Who who authored this tweet? This
Speaker 1: was coach Boyn DHS. Do we know if this is
Speaker 1: indeed a fact that no home team has ever I
Speaker 1: just I just know I don't care, Like, why do
Speaker 1: people care about ratings so much? This is one of
Speaker 1: your big this is one of your big talking points.
Speaker 1: Why when did it become When did America become convinced
Speaker 1: that we should all care about ratings when it comes
Speaker 1: to sports? And it's a good point. There is a
Speaker 1: lot of like just like why talk about Oh, did
Speaker 1: it go up a point? Did it go down to point?
Speaker 1: Why are fans so word? Well, I'm not sure all
Speaker 1: of America cares about ratings. I know that you are
Speaker 1: a lot about ratings, but it's a very small sport,
Speaker 1: like hardcore sports fan, Yeah, hardcore sports. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: Darren Ravel has five million followers, and it's like, right,
Speaker 1: you get the sports business daily retweeting overnights from I
Speaker 1: worry about those. I'm hesitant to say something has declaratively
Speaker 1: you know, and potentially stupid as this guy did, But
Speaker 1: I bet there's no way that that he's right about that. Anyways.
Speaker 1: First of all, if the rams were later in the day,
Speaker 1: they would have gotten the bigger rating. They got a
Speaker 1: totally normal rating in l A and nationally for that game.
Speaker 1: I remember it was up from the year before. But
Speaker 1: the second game always gets bigger ratings. That's just how
Speaker 1: well we'd have to look. I thought I read something similar,
Speaker 1: but I think number one from Los Angeles is different
Speaker 1: than any other city in the entire country. And I
Speaker 1: don't care what sports ratings coming out of Los Angeles
Speaker 1: are for anything, right, And it's a huge sports It
Speaker 1: is a huge sports town. It's just not a huge
Speaker 1: local NFL team town. Like the NFL ratings get huge
Speaker 1: are huge here. It's just you know, there's twenty different teams,
Speaker 1: a lot of different people. I subscribe to this theory. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't care at all about TV ratings. It doesn't
Speaker 1: but it doesn't what's it? What's it doing? Did you
Speaker 1: like the game? Like after the AF the opening weekend,
Speaker 1: people say all ratings, this ratiings. It's like, hey, guys, uh,
Speaker 1: did you like? How do you feel about Trent rittersing?
Speaker 1: You want to talk about sports? Or are we gonna
Speaker 1: do this? So about this about other people's money? It's
Speaker 1: not your money? Um? All right? Loosely interpreted this trash.
Speaker 1: I personally love this tweet, I just maybe, but not
Speaker 1: for the reasons that the tweeter uh sent it out
Speaker 1: During combine week. Twitter can be bad, it can be horrible.
Speaker 1: Our friend Chase goodbread or carbs, you know, value, pumper Nickel.
Speaker 1: So many different names you can have for Chase, Value, Pumper,
Speaker 1: good bread. Um, there's He had a tweet about the
Speaker 1: Seahawks asking a player to have a staring contest, and
Speaker 1: there were many reactions to it, but Jim Naggie of
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl replied, grit test. It a staring contest
Speaker 1: to test the grit he thinks, he thinks no recycling here,
Speaker 1: it's trash tape. But Patrick, the tenacity of a football
Speaker 1: player determined what percentage? Do you think that tweet was serious?
Speaker 1: That's true? We don't know. I don't know. And that's
Speaker 1: I think. I I mean, he works for a college
Speaker 1: scouting bowl. I think he's saying it's a good test.
Speaker 1: I mean, Patrick, never know that. We don't know that. Man.
Speaker 1: You're also you also you have you have a Burner
Speaker 1: account of your own, several alright, well one of them
Speaker 1: is David Eally quotes and I want to know how
Speaker 1: serious this pinned from Patrick has multiple Burner accounts? How
Speaker 1: serious is this? From February two and sixteen from David
Speaker 1: Eally if I'm texting, I'm sexting. It's been penned there
Speaker 1: for three years. The character of David Eally quotes was
Speaker 1: purely born from the idea of that tweet. I was
Speaker 1: trying to get into the idea because we all know
Speaker 1: and loved David Eally. He's He's a sensible, u sexual
Speaker 1: man helps runs the news room downstairs, but he has
Speaker 1: sometimes some hilarity with involved with relationships with women. And
Speaker 1: so in my mind, the idea of an overly overtly
Speaker 1: sexual David Eally that talks to women, you know, in
Speaker 1: in very sexual terms, uh, it was. It was great
Speaker 1: fodder for Twitter account and then comedy. You know, if
Speaker 1: he is my he's my boss and I just had
Speaker 1: my review with him about twenty minutes ago. So totally
Speaker 1: support David Eally a wonderful guy. Um, I don't know
Speaker 1: if if he's offended by what you're writing, how is
Speaker 1: that dynamic? Because initially there was some concerns that like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I've been at this company longer than you,
Speaker 1: I'm older than you, yet you're my boss, so this
Speaker 1: is just strange. Listen to Stinky Davis. Everything everything absolutely
Speaker 1: great with David. All right, let's hear another trash take. Okay,
Speaker 1: this one comes from rivals Mike. After the Ravens lost
Speaker 1: to the Chargers uh in the playoffs in two thousand eighteen,
Speaker 1: he says, where are all the Lamar Jackson apologists? Now?
Speaker 1: First of all, what are you apologizing for? So? Yeah
Speaker 1: that my initial reply was right here, bucko, bucko, I
Speaker 1: don't I know, the bar is always gonna move for
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, but it's just weird after a playoff game
Speaker 1: in which he actually out passed Philip Rivers in to
Speaker 1: to send that out, and it just kind of encapsulates
Speaker 1: the whole reaction. I blocked a lot of people because
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a big fan of the Mars and uh,
Speaker 1: It's just stuff like that, like what do we how
Speaker 1: do we determine success for other people? In why can't
Speaker 1: it be the same? It's a very common version of
Speaker 1: trash take is basically you have a long held leaf
Speaker 1: and then the moment you have anything to support it,
Speaker 1: that's the moment where you tweet I was right, you know,
Speaker 1: like and in sports, and I've done it too, I'm
Speaker 1: sure I've done it a million times too. That like Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to ignore all the rest of you know,
Speaker 1: the time that I didn't say anything for the last
Speaker 1: two months, but here now that I have something that
Speaker 1: proves my point, I was right hesitate to say this.
Speaker 1: It's trash takes with Patrick Show. Only very recently, I
Speaker 1: would say, in the last year and a half or so,
Speaker 1: I've seen a gradual shaming of people who handled Twitter.
Speaker 1: Because Twitter has been like that for ten years, crowing
Speaker 1: about when you're right, and I've seen a gradual kind
Speaker 1: of drifting away from that, people realizing that maybe we're
Speaker 1: not this arrogant and cocky in real life. Why are
Speaker 1: we acting like this on this medium. It's because of
Speaker 1: thought leaders like Clay Bond. You know, it's shaming, holding
Speaker 1: people accountable. And now finally I think the group is
Speaker 1: doing it. I think we've had so many good trash
Speaker 1: takes we actually should take a break. Like the other
Speaker 1: day we had that nice little minute cleansing of the
Speaker 1: palate and this time, though, marks the one that's gonna
Speaker 1: cleanse it. Well. We have occasionally we banned phrases. I thought,
Speaker 1: along with your annoyance to people's tweets, that some of
Speaker 1: the stuff that pops up on Twitter, and I am
Speaker 1: far from like a a millennial watchdog of what's what's
Speaker 1: cool or not to be sold. So you're you're banning phrases,
Speaker 1: I'm banning phrases, if I if I if I'm starting
Speaker 1: to say these phrases, they anyone younger than me should
Speaker 1: not be and I'm not eating but these even I
Speaker 1: don't even want to see. It goes so well with
Speaker 1: trash takes like this. This to me sounds like eight
Speaker 1: o'clock eight thirty NBC on a Wednesday night, back to
Speaker 1: back like these two they do like there, it's like
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful marriage. But I will like Erica, I'll
Speaker 1: allow you because you're like a no less than twenty
Speaker 1: years younger than me. I think that you could or
Speaker 1: nineteen you could tell me if these are dead on
Speaker 1: or not um And the first one comes from m
Speaker 1: v P, who sent this along during the weekends. She's
Speaker 1: she might be the best writer in the building and
Speaker 1: she has a good eye for what is total bs
Speaker 1: and not going to be in the building much longer,
Speaker 1: will not find the coop. I didn't know if that
Speaker 1: was my announcement to make, but she's okay. It's her career.
Speaker 1: Uh so she made this great point that every time,
Speaker 1: now this is on Instagram to more than much more
Speaker 1: than Twitter. Whenever you get like a clown car of
Speaker 1: like four people in a photo, like a group photo,
Speaker 1: but they're not like doing the smile with their arms
Speaker 1: or each other, but it's something else and like a
Speaker 1: little serious and like might be it's black and white
Speaker 1: or the some nice shadow and then they just like
Speaker 1: the hashtag is like our album cover or our album
Speaker 1: is dropping next week. It's like, no, your album is
Speaker 1: not dropping, you flock of idiots. Are you agree with
Speaker 1: Emma's take? Their that's heavy showing, Oh my god, saying
Speaker 1: so many people are doing. If you are not indeed
Speaker 1: putting out an album, you cannot it is it is.
Speaker 1: If it was ever funny, no longer still is. Um.
Speaker 1: This one annoys me and it's I kind of thought
Speaker 1: this worked for certain groups of people very early on,
Speaker 1: but it is tiresome hashtag squad goals. Yeah that really
Speaker 1: it's I'm saying. I'm not saying that I'm right about this,
Speaker 1: but it is highly annoying. But that's fun. It's funny.
Speaker 1: If I posted a photo of the five of us
Speaker 1: right now, and it's like squad goals. People want to
Speaker 1: be in this squad. But you know what, I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: we can come up with something else that's dumb and
Speaker 1: sort of and he was again at this point, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're okay. Here's one accept I heard someone, um like
Speaker 1: seriously label someone else in our office because this is
Speaker 1: sort of the world that they exist in, that this
Speaker 1: was there, this is how they felt. The real title
Speaker 1: was social media ninja kill me. Now. I don't need
Speaker 1: that in my life. I don't feel like it is
Speaker 1: how people describe like inside inside career channels. If they're
Speaker 1: grade at social media ninja's are assassins of the night?
Speaker 1: How does that even trip? I just yet to me,
Speaker 1: all right, last one because the halftime is almost over.
Speaker 1: Um any anything where someone who's already like thirty one like, oh,
Speaker 1: you had to go you had to go do your laundry.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry that you had to go do something
Speaker 1: on your own without someone hold your hand. It's like,
Speaker 1: I just had to go to my laundry hashtag adulting.
Speaker 1: You've been an adult for like fifteen years and you
Speaker 1: had had to go get it, had to go get
Speaker 1: four quarters for a dollar by myself. Adult team not
Speaker 1: of Earth, get out of here with that? Can I
Speaker 1: have a spin off? Yes? Please? Yes, this is a
Speaker 1: group with the nature of a unicorn is its uniqueness
Speaker 1: and the fact that it may or may not even exist.
Speaker 1: If every one of you women out there is a unicorn,
Speaker 1: then there are no unicorns. That's kind of that's very
Speaker 1: similar to the goat thing. Now that goats are you know,
Speaker 1: in theory it's the great of all time, but now
Speaker 1: it's commonly understood. Don't you one of the better players
Speaker 1: that you know that actually that week? Don't you think
Speaker 1: you found your unicorn? You didn't think that she existed
Speaker 1: and then you found beautiful Oh my god, we have
Speaker 1: so much work to do. Uh. To your point about
Speaker 1: like the adulting thing, uh, I think it's it's untoward.
Speaker 1: It's unsavory. There's always like a lot of complaining of like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, now i'm you know, it's something happens like
Speaker 1: a show is ten years old, or an actor you know,
Speaker 1: is celebrating some anniversary and they're like like if that
Speaker 1: doesn't make you feel old, you know, it's like I'm
Speaker 1: officially old. But it's always someone in their twenties or
Speaker 1: in their thirties, like you're not a lot. Even I
Speaker 1: would say, we shouldn't even really be saying that on
Speaker 1: social media because then there there's like the fifties sixties,
Speaker 1: like you're not allowed to say that in your twenties
Speaker 1: and thirties, even young thirties. It's annoying. Don't say that,
Speaker 1: West and I say it at the age I don't
Speaker 1: even think bother, don't even bother. I don't want it's
Speaker 1: just like it's just like I'm old now. And then
Speaker 1: how about blank? Is a mood? Oh? Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: I'm done with? Is like, is a mood? I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go through your tweets right now because I feel like
Speaker 1: you just tweeted something I would never put. It's okay,
Speaker 1: here's the thing with is a mood? It's fine, like
Speaker 1: I get you know, it's cool, whatever. But when you
Speaker 1: can see in its current state how stale it's gonna
Speaker 1: be in nine months, then I already want to move
Speaker 1: past that nine months because it's eventually going to be stale.
Speaker 1: I think the topic we've hit on is the mem
Speaker 1: ification of language and how things and words run their
Speaker 1: course a little bit faster now than they used to.
Speaker 1: And you're not going to have like cool won't be
Speaker 1: around as long, you know, And like plank is a mood.
Speaker 1: Was where I was with like lit the first time
Speaker 1: I ever heard X is lit. Like no, because they're
Speaker 1: a bunch of like Jabroni's walking around a office scene.
Speaker 1: It's like, you are not the person who should be
Speaker 1: saying any of these phrases. Well, repetition is the death
Speaker 1: of art and humor. Greg had a great tweet about slaps,
Speaker 1: like you know the song slaps. Oh yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: I said, I wish I was young enough to say
Speaker 1: a song slaps because it does that is. I think
Speaker 1: that's a great term for now. But I don't think
Speaker 1: I'm I think I'm past the point that I can
Speaker 1: say it, you know what I mean. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think I think every everyone wrongly agree with you. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get back to dress. All right, let's go back
Speaker 1: to the topic of language, since this take in our
Speaker 1: previous discussion can tie into it. This from at Jerry Dulac,
Speaker 1: who said from the Irony of Ironies Department, Oklahoma Wide
Speaker 1: receiver Marquis Brown, Antonio's cousin will meet with the Steelers tonight.
Speaker 1: That's not what It's not the irony of ironies either,
Speaker 1: and you let's that smell. It's trash takes with Patrick Clay.
Speaker 1: In fact, the Ironies department maybe you know, they're they're
Speaker 1: seeing some funding cuts and so they're they're trying to
Speaker 1: branch out. But that's that's just not there's nothing ironic
Speaker 1: about that. Like he's Antonio's cousin, and right, there's that's
Speaker 1: that's what's called the coincidence. This is actually that we've
Speaker 1: done this show so long that we're now I'm now
Speaker 1: remembering I used to make this point like five years
Speaker 1: ago on this show, that that people mistake coincidence for irony,
Speaker 1: and like we need to try to get the word
Speaker 1: out there of what's a coincidence? What's irony? Maybe claim
Speaker 1: bind or someone else could be an official, very nuanced word.
Speaker 1: It's not easy for people to understand. In fact, Alana's
Speaker 1: tried to do everything she could to help us out
Speaker 1: by making a song without any ironic instances, which is
Speaker 1: iron in itself. You know, yeah, well she yeah, she
Speaker 1: did not help I don't think that was her. I
Speaker 1: don't think she was looking at it from in such
Speaker 1: a depth as you just did. But she didn't. She
Speaker 1: didn't help. Here's another my Homes one, this one from
Speaker 1: at L Running three. Lee Running is the name he
Speaker 1: chose for himself. Baseball players make a lot less money
Speaker 1: in their first five to seven years than NFL players.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, actually this is a no. This is my Homes.
Speaker 1: This is my homes. Baseball has make a lot less
Speaker 1: money in their first five to seven years in the
Speaker 1: NFL players. So that's a weak argument. If he keeps
Speaker 1: playing like he did last year, he's going to get paid.
Speaker 1: He just needs to show a little more humility. I've
Speaker 1: been a Chiefs fan since I was a kid. Maybe
Speaker 1: no longer. This guy's gonna give up on the Chiefs
Speaker 1: because Mahomes isn't showing enough humility. You get to gather
Speaker 1: here franchise that has been boring for your entire life.
Speaker 1: Now that they're exciting, you're gonna give up because of
Speaker 1: some made up thing about humility. Well also because like
Speaker 1: I'm talking about cutting off your nose despite your fan
Speaker 1: what are we pointing to, right, I've ever been anything
Speaker 1: but just sort of a team replies to some commercial
Speaker 1: or something like Mahomes had a logo or yeah if
Speaker 1: you were. Yeah, that would be an annoying tweet pretty
Speaker 1: much about any quarterback in the NFL, but my homes also,
Speaker 1: it particularly doesn't seem to make any sense. Do we
Speaker 1: have one do we have one more we need to finish? Um? No,
Speaker 1: I don't want to leave. Not my friend. That was
Speaker 1: so strong that last one, well, yeah it was. It
Speaker 1: was strong. Shout out to Andy Benoit. His tweets are horrible. Um,
Speaker 1: Jamie Collins has done less with more talent than just
Speaker 1: about any starting NFL linebacker. It's just a weird thing
Speaker 1: to say, Like why you're diminishing the talent of all
Speaker 1: these other linebackers and saying that Jamie hasn't done anything.
Speaker 1: You had the torn mc l in two thousand seventeen.
Speaker 1: Was this from like yesterday or yes, it is from yesterday.
Speaker 1: I was looking for another bad tweet, so I just
Speaker 1: went he's saying he's done less with more than anyone else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now that's wrong because there's so many NFL players. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's it's a bad take. Because Jamie Collins has had
Speaker 1: a good career. He hasn't had a great career, but
Speaker 1: he got a huge contract. He started a million games. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know he played in big moments like that. You
Speaker 1: could come up with a hundred people in the NFL
Speaker 1: that have gotten less out of more than Jamie Coin.
Speaker 1: Just diminishing the talent of a lot of people. And
Speaker 1: it's stupid. I don't like that one. How about all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw out one. Do it? It's from Pete Prisca.
Speaker 1: Oh there we go. Oh I do too. He's a
Speaker 1: great guy. I don't think he'd even mind this. It
Speaker 1: was just it was this, It was this. Uh, and
Speaker 1: this is just this is just sort of a group
Speaker 1: not gonna love it. This is just it's not a
Speaker 1: football take though. That's why I don't think it's Friday
Speaker 1: morning getting down. It's a very it's a very common
Speaker 1: it's a very common trash take on Twitter. And this
Speaker 1: was in response to some bill in the in the
Speaker 1: North Carolina government that they're gonna change the current their
Speaker 1: grading scale to make eight five and a remember the
Speaker 1: seventy of B. And his take was, this is the
Speaker 1: participation trophy of grades. Can we get any softer as
Speaker 1: a as air? And this is just like in general,
Speaker 1: I don't like the can can we get any softer
Speaker 1: or you know, the youth of today, uh is softer bits,
Speaker 1: but only because that's the most consistent bit in human history.
Speaker 1: Every single generation, if you read the newspapers or any
Speaker 1: common media or anything from seventeen d eight hundred nine on,
Speaker 1: every single generation says that about the previous generation. You're
Speaker 1: hating down the food, with no exceptions. And when you
Speaker 1: like dive a little deeper into this, it's just like
Speaker 1: they might make the tests a little harder, and like
Speaker 1: it makes like it has nothing to do with getting well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And in terms of that North Carolina, they're not changing
Speaker 1: the average grades necessarily, and one of the consistent things
Speaker 1: throughout history is people not reading the article exactly and
Speaker 1: in that, they're not altering the grade scale for students.
Speaker 1: They're ordering there are augmenting the grade scale for the
Speaker 1: schools in terms of their evaluation. And so what they've
Speaker 1: done is lower the standards for the school, not lower
Speaker 1: the standards for the student. I mean, where was this
Speaker 1: when I was in middle school? I don't care. It
Speaker 1: just sounds like I would have would have fared better.
Speaker 1: Various you know, flightly flagging quizzes left and right. But
Speaker 1: I want to mute the words partition, participations from every
Speaker 1: venue in my life. But also Greg, I would say
Speaker 1: that there is an inverse relationship between quality of life
Speaker 1: and toughness, and as quality of life improves tough or increases,
Speaker 1: toughness decreases. And I think evolution works against toughness. That
Speaker 1: if that were the case, Pete Prisco's tweets would be
Speaker 1: a lot better. That's that's a there's a lot to
Speaker 1: unpack there. And then the higher your quality of life,
Speaker 1: the less willing you are to endure tough times. It's
Speaker 1: trash takes. I think that I subscribe to that. I
Speaker 1: think Wes nailed that one. I think some people are
Speaker 1: better at things than other people. Yeah, I mean, Greg,
Speaker 1: you have to take that like, it's so much better
Speaker 1: to be alive now than it's back in medieval times
Speaker 1: because death by like age nine, No doubt it is.
Speaker 1: But it also is it's better to be like a
Speaker 1: lower like middle class person right now than it would
Speaker 1: be to be like the queen in sixteen fifty when okay,
Speaker 1: like five out of years, like eleven kids, EID and childbirth,
Speaker 1: your teeth are falling out. You're gonna die, You're gonna
Speaker 1: die at like thirty eight. It's always dark, Like it's
Speaker 1: not always dark, it's dark, it's dark all it's not
Speaker 1: all the time, but it's like at night, it's five
Speaker 1: o'clock right, like you you're walking around with candles. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you can't, Hey, where are you? I know, I largely agree.
Speaker 1: I largely agree, but I would prefer on some level
Speaker 1: to be able to like, oh, you're gonna go see
Speaker 1: your neighbor, ride a horse for two hours over like
Speaker 1: hill and Vale with no Twitter and no nonsense, and
Speaker 1: you don't have to be anywhere the next day at
Speaker 1: nine a m. To clock into some job. Time travel
Speaker 1: is always a shaking proposition for me, and I'd like
Speaker 1: to avoid it at all costs. Yeah, backwards at least. Wow,
Speaker 1: I think we've said it all. I think we've thrown
Speaker 1: those things garbage, and I think we've sent Erica out
Speaker 1: on a on a winning note. We will miss you
Speaker 1: next week to post. Yeah, I'm gonna miss you guys too.
Speaker 1: I will be listening, so be nice. So I know
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Speaker 1: you for joining us. Hopefully, hopefully it won't be that
Speaker 1: long until we have have you back and we'll be
Speaker 1: back next week Monday, Wednesday and a third show to
Speaker 1: be decided what day we do it on. We've also
Speaker 1: got the Twitter Show on Wednesday. It is going to
Speaker 1: be a crazy week of free agency. And that's it.
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