Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast will only answer to Mr
Speaker 1: Big Chess. Welcome to another edition of the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansas and I am
Speaker 1: joined in a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling,
Speaker 1: and Greg Rosittal. What is up? Boys? Hey? Dan? Free
Speaker 1: agency week is here. It's here, boys, And you know
Speaker 1: how I know it's an important week because Mark's got
Speaker 1: a support code on you nailed it? Got a text
Speaker 1: message at a forty two group text message labeled under
Speaker 1: a t N boys. That's how I that's a subhead
Speaker 1: for the group boys with a zo from Mark Sesler
Speaker 1: wearing a sports coat today. That's how you know this
Speaker 1: is a big week. A lot of times I try
Speaker 1: to get certain amounts of laundry down during the weekend,
Speaker 1: and um, I'm not saying it's only for that reason,
Speaker 1: but I'm at the point where like all I had
Speaker 1: left were shirts I hadn't really worn since like two
Speaker 1: thousand fourteen, so I thought I'm gonna go up the ladder. Now.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, though, there's a little bit of ambition
Speaker 1: bleeding out of the pores here, sweating out of the ports.
Speaker 1: You want to kill it. This week. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: the eyes of the world, football in the world inside
Speaker 1: this building. What are the A T N guys gonna say, Oh,
Speaker 1: we have NFL dot com shows, video shows going up,
Speaker 1: we got our Twitter show coming up, we got four
Speaker 1: pods coming up this week. It's your time to shine,
Speaker 1: it's marks time. Well, I mean it's none of that
Speaker 1: is so entirely wrong that I have no problem showing
Speaker 1: up in a sports code this specific week, But the
Speaker 1: idea that you would put it as personal ambition is misdiagnosed.
Speaker 1: West brought up big velvet, So yes, this is a
Speaker 1: big week. Yeah, you're you're We're in a place where
Speaker 1: we're competing with West's wardrobe at this point too. I
Speaker 1: mean where he was two years ago, three years ago
Speaker 1: with his clothing. He'd be wearing like an NFL Network
Speaker 1: one of those like summary little short sleeve shirts that
Speaker 1: they give you something you got at the NFL shop.
Speaker 1: That was That was an old West move, and West
Speaker 1: likes to say it has nothing to do with the
Speaker 1: paramore coming. That's not what I say. Everything changed. My
Speaker 1: style definitely changed. She brought it out of me. But
Speaker 1: a lot of what I pick out and wear gets
Speaker 1: credited to her. Then you weren't velvet today. Who would
Speaker 1: have thought kind of like, you're a defensive minded head
Speaker 1: coach that hired a great offensive coordinator. You're not really
Speaker 1: happy that he's getting or she in this case, and
Speaker 1: getting all the pop for scoring so many points in
Speaker 1: no way, shape or form. And my defensive minded head coach,
Speaker 1: I am all offense baby. Um, all right, well, yes,
Speaker 1: it's a busy week. Should we just start this show
Speaker 1: with a breaking news? Still? It better, I mean, it
Speaker 1: better not be about Paul Rising or anything breaking news sources.
Speaker 1: According to Ian Rappaport, former Giant star Landon Collins is
Speaker 1: signing with the Washington Redskins for eighty four million dollars
Speaker 1: over six seasons. Interesting, as we as we start the show,
Speaker 1: that literally drops out. So the Giants made the decision
Speaker 1: that they could not, at least what had seemed from
Speaker 1: the outside, they could have a side of Landon Collins
Speaker 1: was worth star money. But West the Redskins, the Washington
Speaker 1: football organization, they have no qualms, they have zero qualms.
Speaker 1: Played against him twice a year every year, and saw
Speaker 1: how much of a difference maker he is, saw how
Speaker 1: much of a playmaker he is, and they seem to
Speaker 1: be really reshaping their defense word around the campfires. They're
Speaker 1: in on c. J. Moseley too, and are willing to
Speaker 1: trade Mason Foster and Zach Brown their inside linebackers, so
Speaker 1: this could be a totally different defense next year. I
Speaker 1: essentially do not trust the Redskins front office to do
Speaker 1: much of anything right. I mean, that just seems to
Speaker 1: be an ongoing team for them. But who is an
Speaker 1: under intense pressure to produce immediately this season and their
Speaker 1: defense has been an issue for a long time. Well
Speaker 1: that includes their defensive coordinator who they kept Greg Monusky,
Speaker 1: even though they literally interviewed people for his job and
Speaker 1: then didn't hire them. And this is a team we've
Speaker 1: talked about it here that's desperate, and I think people
Speaker 1: have looked at the Alex Smith contract and thought, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: this team, you know isn't gonna be able to spend,
Speaker 1: but they have some cap space, and I think they
Speaker 1: they're approaching the Alex Smith situation, especially after getting case
Speaker 1: Keenum the only way they can, which is just it's
Speaker 1: a sunk cost and you just have to ignore that
Speaker 1: it happens. I mean, Pittsburgh is paying as much for
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown on the cap as Washington is paying for
Speaker 1: Alex Smith and they're still gonna try to do business.
Speaker 1: And this is aggressive. I want to see the guaranteed money,
Speaker 1: but it's certainly is good news, I think for all
Speaker 1: the safeties out there trying to make some money this year,
Speaker 1: because no matter what it is in the first two
Speaker 1: or three years and the guaranteed money, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot, and he's gonna be the highest paid. She
Speaker 1: has million guaranteed and paid out over the first three years.
Speaker 1: There you go, alright, a lot of big names on
Speaker 1: the move. Another one is Nick Foles. It's been speculated
Speaker 1: for weeks and weeks that he would end up with
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars, and that's exactly where Nick Foles ended up.
Speaker 1: He signs a deal, a saucy deal Mark Sessler with
Speaker 1: the Jaguars that it goes four years or eighty eight million,
Speaker 1: includes fifty million and guaranteed money. And uh, Margot's start
Speaker 1: with you on this one. So folds. Despite the fact
Speaker 1: that there weren't a lot of teams that were connected
Speaker 1: to him, maybe just one team and it was the
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars, he still he still gets big time starter
Speaker 1: money or competitive starter money. Yeah. I think when the
Speaker 1: numbers came out, there was a lot of like, wait,
Speaker 1: of course you're this, you know been talked about. You're
Speaker 1: a team competing against no one. Why wouldn't you try
Speaker 1: to bargain basement the quarterback position. And Mike Garrifolo said
Speaker 1: it perfectly and in NFL Network that their viewpoint was,
Speaker 1: what are you telling the rest of your locker room?
Speaker 1: If you bring in Nick Foles at a at a
Speaker 1: discount rate, you want to make it clear that he's
Speaker 1: your starter for now, he's your starting quarterback. You pay
Speaker 1: him like one. You start that relationship off well versus
Speaker 1: something sort of more in the cantankerous region. And for me,
Speaker 1: like the this is like about what other quarterback where
Speaker 1: you gonna go get that you could be secure in
Speaker 1: as a week two weeks starter. There just weren't that
Speaker 1: many out there unless you want to go in the draft.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that this regime has enough time
Speaker 1: on their hands to convince the Jaguars hpublic that you're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna slowca a quarterback for two or three years.
Speaker 1: This is about Nick Foles, the person too. They really
Speaker 1: this is a guy who I think his leadership and
Speaker 1: what we hear about Nick Foles has been growing and
Speaker 1: positive and he's a bit of a transformed person along
Speaker 1: with player, I think he he had plenty of leverage.
Speaker 1: Blake Borders and Teddy Bridgewater were his leverage. And John d. Filippo,
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator they brought in, who and it has
Speaker 1: worked with Nick Foles in the past. This is his leverage.
Speaker 1: You don't want to go back to Bordles, you don't
Speaker 1: want to pay for Bridgewater, who you weren't interested in
Speaker 1: last year, has one start in three years and was
Speaker 1: outplayed by an undrafted rookie and that start. Go get
Speaker 1: the best quarterback available. That's that's Nick foles leverage. And
Speaker 1: you don't know what a ceiling is. I I like
Speaker 1: it because it's where I think they should keep taking shots.
Speaker 1: They should try to develop a quarterback. They probably won't
Speaker 1: because teams never do this, but they should still draft
Speaker 1: a quarterback, maybe even in the first round. I don't care. Oh, oh,
Speaker 1: what the big problem that you're running into? You have
Speaker 1: too many great quarterbacks. It's like, wow, I know they do,
Speaker 1: and so it's probably not gonna happen in the first round.
Speaker 1: But I don't think you close your mind to developing
Speaker 1: quarterbacks because he signed Nick Foles. I also want to
Speaker 1: see the specifics on the deal. How much is guaranteed
Speaker 1: into the second year. My guess is it's basically a
Speaker 1: two year contract and then they'll see see what he
Speaker 1: looks like. But like he could get better. I mean,
Speaker 1: quarterbacks do get better throughout their career, and he has
Speaker 1: been not just visibly better and with the ceiling of
Speaker 1: the greatest performance I think in Super Bowl history by
Speaker 1: a quarterback, but he's talked about how he looks at
Speaker 1: the sport differently and how he looks at the position
Speaker 1: differently in terms of how he interacts with his teammates
Speaker 1: and everything like that. You're getting a different Nick Foles
Speaker 1: than the guy that went to Kansas City so many
Speaker 1: years ago. Fifty million guaranteed or whatever it ends up being.
Speaker 1: UH is a big investment. It could end up being
Speaker 1: an overpay. But I agree with everything you guys are
Speaker 1: saying that this was a team that made its bed
Speaker 1: when they a Blake Bortles at unnecessary extension. They ate
Speaker 1: it this year and they needed to move forward to
Speaker 1: the position they needed to make a splash and folds
Speaker 1: is to me an efficient effective splash to make. And
Speaker 1: now now we'll find out with the with the Jaguars
Speaker 1: if that defense can now turn back to seen status
Speaker 1: because that it wasn't all bordles last year. There were
Speaker 1: other problems with this team. They need to have a
Speaker 1: much better year in twenty nineteen. That's fair. The offensive
Speaker 1: line was so banged up and so awful last year.
Speaker 1: They need one receiver. Corps was awful. There was a
Speaker 1: there was a lot going on. But to me, it's
Speaker 1: not it's not Nick Foles or any of these mid
Speaker 1: level starting quarterbacks like Cousins. That's overpaid. I mean under
Speaker 1: you know, overpaid. It's just like Tom Brady and Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers and those guys are like crazy underpaid. It's it
Speaker 1: does sort of make no sense that all quarterbacks just
Speaker 1: make the same amount of money. All right, good chatter,
Speaker 1: liked it. We're gonna keep moving though. There's so much
Speaker 1: to talk about, very exciting. How about de Sean Jackson.
Speaker 1: Let's let's throw his name out there. Uh, two years
Speaker 1: in Tampa didn't really take off, didn't work. He had
Speaker 1: some moments early on in ten especially when fitz Magic
Speaker 1: took hold for a few weeks there, but it didn't
Speaker 1: work out the Bucks. Uh we thought maybe he could
Speaker 1: be released instead a trade. He's going back to the
Speaker 1: Eagles seventh round pick and Jackson um from the Bucks
Speaker 1: in exchange for a twenty nineteen sixth round pick pick. Uh.
Speaker 1: The Eagles also signed Deshan Jackson UH to eight new,
Speaker 1: three year, twenty seven million dollar deal. So Jackson, who's
Speaker 1: been around awhile uh he's thirty two years old, will
Speaker 1: turn thirty three during the twenty nineteen season. But West
Speaker 1: we saw last year that he could still tear the
Speaker 1: top off a defense, and the Eagles want that element
Speaker 1: in their offense. We have to worry about a player
Speaker 1: who's gonna be thirty three years old and his game
Speaker 1: is built on speed and nothing else, just speed. And
Speaker 1: he's taught us something about quarterbacks in Tampa that he
Speaker 1: was on fire last year with Ryan Fitzpatrick, who has
Speaker 1: a week arm but throws a pretty deep ball. And
Speaker 1: now he's going to Philadelphia where Nick Fools doesn't have
Speaker 1: the strongest arm in the world but throws a pretty
Speaker 1: deep ball. Carson Wentz has a strong arm and doesn't
Speaker 1: put enough loft on the ball, So I'm wondering how
Speaker 1: that connection will work. It's definitely filling a need. Mike
Speaker 1: Wallace didn't work out in Philadelphia. They need that speed
Speaker 1: god to stretch the field. It can't work out worse
Speaker 1: than Mike Wallace, but they do keep getting older, aging
Speaker 1: deep threats, and it's just at some point, if this
Speaker 1: doesn't work out again, you've got to look at a
Speaker 1: younger person for that fit. But what I love about
Speaker 1: this is it just shows you that these NFL feuds
Speaker 1: dies so hard. This felt to me like one final
Speaker 1: Howry Roseman f you two Chip Helly. He's had a few.
Speaker 1: I mean they I'm curious if they're gonna keep Nelson Agilaar,
Speaker 1: who's do nine point five million dollars. I have a
Speaker 1: feeling they might cut or trade him later in this week.
Speaker 1: He's not really a deep thread anyways. And I I
Speaker 1: hear you long term west On de Sean Jackson, but
Speaker 1: for two thousand nineteen, I think that's really all they're
Speaker 1: thinking about. In the short term. He led the league
Speaker 1: in yard perception. I mean, so he's sen yards pep,
Speaker 1: he's built on speed, and he's still totally has it
Speaker 1: at least In is not gonna last forever, but he
Speaker 1: has shown no signs of really dropping off. Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: had a last year in eighteen. You want to give
Speaker 1: him a good team around him to really try to
Speaker 1: bounce back. He is your guy, after all, you chose
Speaker 1: him over Nick Foles. Well, now you have a guy
Speaker 1: to add. He got Zach Art's there, Alshon Jeffrey not
Speaker 1: a bad offense. Nelson a need a running back. They
Speaker 1: look a lot more loaded in the passing game than
Speaker 1: they did last year. UM, let's talk about an old face,
Speaker 1: Mark Antonio Brown, who were gonna get to in a minute.
Speaker 1: He left the a f C North. He is now
Speaker 1: out West, also joining him in the Pacific time zone.
Speaker 1: Terrell Suggs, he leaves the Ravens after sixteen years in Baltimore. UH,
Speaker 1: and he's going to uh agree. He has agreed to
Speaker 1: terms with UH the Cardinals. He will be an outside linebacker.
Speaker 1: He's working under Vance Joseph of the three four system. Uh.
Speaker 1: He still seems to have it. He's an old man now,
Speaker 1: maybe slowed a little bit, but still can get to
Speaker 1: the Russia. Still a beast. Uh. Your thoughts on that move?
Speaker 1: Mark someone to pair with Chandler Jones. It's one of
Speaker 1: those signings though, where the looking at him in a
Speaker 1: different uniform, I can't. I think the weirdest one for
Speaker 1: me ever, was Peyton Manning suddenly in the Broncos uniform.
Speaker 1: Took me months to warm up to. That's not anyone
Speaker 1: else is concerned. That's my issue. I mean, I know,
Speaker 1: you know, by the end of the preseason it was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I get it, but this guy is gonna be weird
Speaker 1: to see in anything other than purple and white. And
Speaker 1: I find him to be um from a personal experience
Speaker 1: of him on the field after the Ravens won the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, a less than delightful character. But I wish
Speaker 1: him well, huh. I mean, would you be totally cool?
Speaker 1: And you could say yes, by the way, because Darrell Suggs,
Speaker 1: god knows, not not the best person. You'd be fine.
Speaker 1: If he's gonna have a single sack in Arizona, nobody
Speaker 1: would fault you for it. I'm not going to spend
Speaker 1: a lot of time with that as my major concern.
Speaker 1: But you know, he's had a fine career at this point,
Speaker 1: and he was still playing at a high level last
Speaker 1: year he was solid. I mean, he's one of those signings.
Speaker 1: And look, he's he went to high school in Arizona.
Speaker 1: He went to Arizona State, So you know, that's great
Speaker 1: for him. It's you know, it's nice and warm. But
Speaker 1: there's always these guys every year that it's like, well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna sign him to kind of be an example
Speaker 1: to the young guys and bring kind of the work
Speaker 1: hard like culture and like so we're gonna give him
Speaker 1: a little extra money to kind of be the guy
Speaker 1: who sets the program. And it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I've never been in NFL. Maybe that is totally worth it.
Speaker 1: I have no I have no idea if that's worth
Speaker 1: it or not. But there's always a couple of those
Speaker 1: it's like, well, we gotta we gotta bring in sugs
Speaker 1: to show all that. I'm not sure he's the first
Speaker 1: guy I put into the mentor category, but put it
Speaker 1: this way, he knows how to play in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He knows how to be a professional player at a
Speaker 1: high level year after year after year. Like he's done
Speaker 1: it for what eighteen years, he was like twenty years old.
Speaker 1: He's gonna enroll a lot of these young men in
Speaker 1: ball so hard university and they will excel mark not
Speaker 1: just want to I want to see the teaching credential,
Speaker 1: but not just football lessons life at B s U. Well,
Speaker 1: good riddance, but ball B s H you now that.
Speaker 1: Moving on, we have some slot receivers coming off the market.
Speaker 1: Let's start with Adam Humphries who signs or will signed?
Speaker 1: I kind of catch myself there in the league. Year
Speaker 1: does not start so Wednesday. Uh, Adam Humphreys to sign
Speaker 1: with the Tennessee Tytoons. The former Bucks slot guy gets
Speaker 1: a four year, thirty six million dollar deal. West. You
Speaker 1: like yourself some Adam Humphries and the Titoons. They need
Speaker 1: some weapons around that quarterback who throws about twelve touchdowns
Speaker 1: a year. How about a guy you can trust in
Speaker 1: the slot. That's a nice shot at Mariotte, I like that.
Speaker 1: Uh this is I'm it's a little bitter sweet for
Speaker 1: me because what Adam Humphries is one of my guys,
Speaker 1: Like he is what you want in a slot. It's
Speaker 1: like in your wedding party at this point, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: doesn't this already clinched the team of West the l
Speaker 1: It's the Titans again. Wanted him. I wanted Andrew Luck
Speaker 1: to be throwing to Adam Humphries because they could really
Speaker 1: enhance each other, and I just don't have that faith
Speaker 1: in Marcus Mariotti anymore. It's definitely a need for the Titans.
Speaker 1: They've needed a slot receiver for a few years now,
Speaker 1: and they got a good one. This is what you
Speaker 1: want in a slot receiver. Just kind of worried that
Speaker 1: he could disappear in all of this. Yeah, Titans. Wide
Speaker 1: receivers always disappear, are you so you're sticking with the
Speaker 1: Colts for longer than you you stuck with the No.
Speaker 1: This is about wanting to see a player going to
Speaker 1: where he will succeed and do his best and help
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks acceeed into his best and the Colts. I
Speaker 1: felt really confident that they could really make each other
Speaker 1: as good as they could possibly. Cults have a hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars in capriom now they don't have to spend
Speaker 1: all that. But to West's point, this seems like one
Speaker 1: of those useful players that could have had a hundred
Speaker 1: and ten catches with Andrew Luck. Instead, he's going to
Speaker 1: have fifty four catches with the Titans in two and
Speaker 1: twelve yards. Black guy is getting paid though, I mean
Speaker 1: Jamison Crowder. Jamison Crowder, he signs with the Jets. The
Speaker 1: former Redskin signs a three year, twenty eight and a
Speaker 1: half million dollar contract with seventeen million guaranteed, so kind
Speaker 1: of in that same group, crowd. I like this signing
Speaker 1: so far. I like what Big Mac's doing right now
Speaker 1: the last few days. He's twenty six years old. Bad
Speaker 1: year last year, but he was beat up, so you
Speaker 1: kind of wipe it out, Alex Smith. It wasn't working.
Speaker 1: The whole thing was a mess in Washington. So you
Speaker 1: you take a slot receiver, you pair him with the
Speaker 1: kid and Sam Donald guy you can trust and maybe
Speaker 1: the develop a rapport with and we are flying towards
Speaker 1: ten and six, and you aren't paying that Antonio Brown money.
Speaker 1: I couldn't think the Jets have something going at wide receiver.
Speaker 1: They might need another, they could use another body or two.
Speaker 1: But this is not the worst wide receiver room in
Speaker 1: that division. And in both Crowder and humphreyes the original
Speaker 1: reports you know, on their their salaries is under ten
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. And I actually slot receivers, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's catching up. But compared to other free agency
Speaker 1: free agent positions, I think they're worth it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think nine million dollars is outrageous for Jamison
Speaker 1: Crowder at all. It's I think it's seventeen million over
Speaker 1: the next two years. I really like him. He was
Speaker 1: my favorite of kind of this crop of slot receivers.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna make life easier for Sam Donald,
Speaker 1: Like Kirk Cousins won't stop talking about Jamison Crowder, just
Speaker 1: like what a nice mind meld they have, and just
Speaker 1: the type of guy that can get open quickly, make
Speaker 1: just make everything a little easier. And so to me,
Speaker 1: this this is a great move. We've moved into a
Speaker 1: time where you need four wide receivers, you need five
Speaker 1: or six defensive backs. And so to your point, they're
Speaker 1: gonna get paid that way a little return value, you know.
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of name, a lot of
Speaker 1: teams with developing quarterbacks looked at what happened with Jared
Speaker 1: Goffman's Cooper cup went down his safety blanket their slot receiver.
Speaker 1: And now you know, if you're Sam Donald, that's a
Speaker 1: great thing to have Jamison Crowder there, Crowder Robbie Anderson,
Speaker 1: Quincy and Na and Chris Herndon at tight End uh
Speaker 1: At have bell in there and continue to improve the line.
Speaker 1: We're cooking a little bit plays out how they've started.
Speaker 1: Ken Brown behind the glass today filling in for Erica,
Speaker 1: who took a hilariously mistimed vacation. I mean, let's just
Speaker 1: let's keep it honest. The fact that we like Erica
Speaker 1: so much Ricky Hollywood really shields the fact that with
Speaker 1: another in our past, other producers would probably be furious
Speaker 1: about this. That she's going across Europe having a great time.
Speaker 1: She's digging in on the fact that she could care
Speaker 1: less about the free agency or most off season off
Speaker 1: calendar NFL events. She she openly just asked what free
Speaker 1: agency was less she does it with with pa. You're
Speaker 1: right though, it does fit into the near like it's
Speaker 1: not surprising that she didn't know which week free agency
Speaker 1: was and make her vacation. She's like, she's like the
Speaker 1: only daughter. Daddy's a little girl who gets away with murder.
Speaker 1: That's that's what's going on with the situation right now,
Speaker 1: is she goes across Europe. Kent Brown filling in behind
Speaker 1: the Glass Kent, thank you first of all for being here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, it's a lot of fun. I'm happy to
Speaker 1: f in free agency frenzy and talk a little Antonio Brown,
Speaker 1: Ken's Moore, like Ken's Moore, like the sun that gets
Speaker 1: blamed for everything, even if it's not his fault. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: because I'm the middle child. I had an identical twin
Speaker 1: that was eight minutes younger than me, and he might
Speaker 1: as well have been twenty years younger than me. But well, listen,
Speaker 1: we love you, Kent, thank you for being here, and
Speaker 1: be ready h with them breaking news drop because as
Speaker 1: the show goes along, things can happen. Because yes, while
Speaker 1: free agency starts officially at Wednesday Wednesday at four pm Eastern,
Speaker 1: I believe it's that's right. I mean, who cares what
Speaker 1: that that's when the deal, that's the new league year
Speaker 1: when it begins. But f agency, for all intents and purposes,
Speaker 1: is happening right now as you just saw. I was
Speaker 1: reminded of that by the way. The combine just a
Speaker 1: quick point that that the Broncos and um, the Ravens
Speaker 1: were afraid to talk about the Joe Flacco trade because
Speaker 1: actually trades aren't even allowed to happen until Wednesday. Like
Speaker 1: that's such a like under the radar thing. And I
Speaker 1: have applaud the NFL for not worrying about it, but
Speaker 1: just change the rules, aren't we We're probably a year
Speaker 1: away from all of these bizarre soft rules just just vanishing.
Speaker 1: You know what. I'm not anymore. I haven't heard and
Speaker 1: I was a little out of pocket this past week
Speaker 1: with the fan, But what I haven't heard a lot
Speaker 1: of from today and we're watching NFL Network and on
Speaker 1: Twitter and all that. I haven't heard a lot of
Speaker 1: legal tampering period. I think we're as a society and
Speaker 1: the NFL to the Shields credit is like, let's just
Speaker 1: keep it real here. The free agency is on right now.
Speaker 1: It just is like if you woke up on Christmas morning,
Speaker 1: if you celebrate Christmas and your kids had been up
Speaker 1: all night opening all the gifts before this so called
Speaker 1: official start time, when mom and dad wake up, forget
Speaker 1: about it, open them up, start playing them. So a
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff has happened over the over the weekend
Speaker 1: and today, and we're going to talk about it, but
Speaker 1: we have to hit out on December. Just somebody, I
Speaker 1: don't like this one Okay, Antonio Brown, we gotta talk
Speaker 1: about it because it went down over the weekend finally, uh,
Speaker 1: and it was the team that we were told early
Speaker 1: last week and about the the one horse race. Uh,
Speaker 1: the Oakland Raiders were gonna get Antonio Brown. And then
Speaker 1: the of course the Bills report that turned out to
Speaker 1: be uh not come through in the and and Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown was not going to the Buffalo Bills. Well, he
Speaker 1: goes to the Oakland Raiders and it comes um on
Speaker 1: a great bargain for John Gruden and Mike Mayhawkin company.
Speaker 1: One of the best receivers in the league goes to
Speaker 1: Oakland in exchange for a third round pick and a
Speaker 1: fifth round pick uh in next month's draft. And Uh.
Speaker 1: Brown then turns around and gets that contract that he wanted.
Speaker 1: The man is getting everything he wanted. He gets a
Speaker 1: three year deal worth fifty point one million maxes out
Speaker 1: just under fifty five UM, roughly twelve million more than
Speaker 1: his old contract thirty million guaranteed. Gregg, you wrote about
Speaker 1: this on the dot com, UH and your lead. Nice
Speaker 1: way to get into the piece. I enjoy it as
Speaker 1: a reader of sports content. It worked. I mean, at
Speaker 1: the end everything Antonio Brown did, whether you like it
Speaker 1: or not, in who would really like, you know, just
Speaker 1: enjoy everything that's gone on since December. Ultimately, he believed
Speaker 1: he had the leverage to get out of Pittsburgh and
Speaker 1: to get more money. And I'm a little surprised that
Speaker 1: he was able to pull it all off. And it
Speaker 1: shows how desperate to see how the Steelers were to
Speaker 1: get rid of him that they took virtually nothing in return.
Speaker 1: I mean, a third and fifth round pick is fine,
Speaker 1: but that's what they if you if you're a third
Speaker 1: round pick for the dollar for a guy of this ability,
Speaker 1: it is and and Brown gets gets the money that
Speaker 1: he wants. I mean, he was probably one of the
Speaker 1: best values in the league for much of his career
Speaker 1: and now uh he has made sure to earn to
Speaker 1: maximize his earnings because he also got paid about eighteen
Speaker 1: nineteen million a year over the last two years. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'd say this if he had gone
Speaker 1: to say Tennessee or something, but it was a move
Speaker 1: that the minute it became Oakland's new player, that it
Speaker 1: immediately ship did for me. The where we are with
Speaker 1: a couple of NFL franchises, those that didn't go get
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown, but the Raiders, who I mean, we're essentially,
Speaker 1: in many ways last year the most disappointing team in
Speaker 1: the league. For all the hype and hoop law all
Speaker 1: last offseason about Gruden in the way that they tore
Speaker 1: the roster down, and now that the way they're building
Speaker 1: up the Raider, the Raiders are interesting again. I guess
Speaker 1: I I could find myself being tired of them quickly.
Speaker 1: But if they go out and they make a play
Speaker 1: for Levan Bell or whoever else, it is like this
Speaker 1: was the aggressive signpost of how they're they're gonna try
Speaker 1: to team build with grooden veterans and big, pricey pieces.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't see anything resembling a plan there,
Speaker 1: unless it's Okay, last year we were too far away
Speaker 1: to worry about building a team. Now we're close to
Speaker 1: moving to Vegas, so he wants some names and headlines
Speaker 1: on our team. I don't. I don't think there is
Speaker 1: like an overarching plan. It's just reacting to whatever happens
Speaker 1: in the moment and what we can talk about Trent
Speaker 1: Brown in a minute. But the fact that they draft
Speaker 1: two tackles with their first three picks of the John
Speaker 1: Grew ne Era and then they pay a huge amount
Speaker 1: of money to Trent Brown tells me they're just kind
Speaker 1: of reacting. Now when you look at the Marii Cooper
Speaker 1: and Antonio Brown deal separately, and even Khalil Mack, they're
Speaker 1: all very different. I mean, this Antonio Brown is is
Speaker 1: short term money. I would I would personally rather have
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown uh by a decent amount compared to Marie
Speaker 1: Cooper over the next couple of years. And I would
Speaker 1: uh not necessarily be comfortable giving a huge long term
Speaker 1: contract to Amari Cooper and you got a first round
Speaker 1: picking the deal. So if you're just looking at what
Speaker 1: they did in terms of the wide receiver position, I
Speaker 1: love it because I you can I agree that maybe
Speaker 1: the plan isn't like crystal Clear, but they the other
Speaker 1: thing could have happened. They could have been fleeced in
Speaker 1: this trade, and they they absolutely got him for less
Speaker 1: than most people would have predicted. But salary, cap space
Speaker 1: and cash is as valuable as draft picks. So they
Speaker 1: didn't give up the draft picks, but they're giving up
Speaker 1: a ton of cash. And Antonio Brown did not get
Speaker 1: everything he wanted. He wanted to play for a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl contender, and he's joining the worst him in the
Speaker 1: an f C along with the Jets. Over last. You
Speaker 1: just get the sense that that was not that was
Speaker 1: lower on his priority, but it's not everything he wanted.
Speaker 1: He did want to play for a contender. Now he's
Speaker 1: playing for a team that's not really relevant. I see
Speaker 1: a little bit more vision to the Grouden move in
Speaker 1: the sense that I think he got there and his
Speaker 1: number first objective was to tear it all down, strip
Speaker 1: it down for parts because and a lot of these
Speaker 1: guys parcels was another guy. If you're at a certain level,
Speaker 1: the ego, whatever or the past success, you wanted to
Speaker 1: make it your team. This I am going to build
Speaker 1: this thing from the ground up and and anything I
Speaker 1: inherit doesn't mean you stay. Even a guy as great
Speaker 1: as Khalil Mack. I mean, that's what group that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I mean, just because you didn't drink Khalil mac doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that he's not one of the on defense. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that was the right move, but I'm saying
Speaker 1: he's entitled to that. And when he gets the ten
Speaker 1: year deal, that's the organization making the commitment to you
Speaker 1: do what you want to make us a contender. And
Speaker 1: I think you know, And yes, we'll bring up that
Speaker 1: Trent Brown just got one of the biggest contracts ever
Speaker 1: uh to play left tackle for the Raiders, leaving the
Speaker 1: Patriots after one good season. I don't think that's a
Speaker 1: good signing, but it's a it's a sign that he
Speaker 1: is looking now to build this team in his vision
Speaker 1: and we'll see how it works out. I'm interested to
Speaker 1: see how. I wonder if Growden too, because again I
Speaker 1: go back to the combine, he just seemed like a
Speaker 1: different John growd into me. And I wonder if last
Speaker 1: year took a bigger toll where if it was going
Speaker 1: to be a two or three year tear down, the
Speaker 1: pr hit was far greater than it would have been
Speaker 1: twenty years ago when there's just less media coverage of
Speaker 1: the NFL in general, and maybe whatever the plan was
Speaker 1: shifted midstream well. And and it had been a while
Speaker 1: since he had lost games as a coach, and he
Speaker 1: hadn't been through a season like that ever, Is that
Speaker 1: safe to say? And going through a miserable season like
Speaker 1: that is gonna change how you think and and and
Speaker 1: the key thing to me is Antonio Brown is awesome.
Speaker 1: Matt Harman, I think he's still Raiders are paying big
Speaker 1: money for his decline phase there. It's really a two
Speaker 1: year contract. The third year they'll decide when when they
Speaker 1: get there and he's paid. They're paying a lot. They're
Speaker 1: paying what the Chiefs they're paying a free They're paying
Speaker 1: as if he was a free agent, which is seems
Speaker 1: kind of unnecessary. But it's ultimately a three four million
Speaker 1: dollar raised than what he was getting. But they're paying
Speaker 1: him what Sammy Watkins got last year. I mean, let's
Speaker 1: not get carried away. It's just sort of like a
Speaker 1: mid you know, it's a free agent wide receiver pay.
Speaker 1: If you look at Matt Harmon's reception perception, our our
Speaker 1: old friend, he had Antonio Brown getting open on a
Speaker 1: higher percentage of of snaps than basically any receiver in
Speaker 1: the league still last year, and that over the last
Speaker 1: four years his numbers are actually better than any wide receiver.
Speaker 1: And I think when you watched Brown last year, in
Speaker 1: the attention that he got to me, he just looked
Speaker 1: like peak Antonio Brown. So I think you're getting your
Speaker 1: You better get another year lost twenty three yards per
Speaker 1: game on his two thousand seven I hear it, I
Speaker 1: hear you. But he scored a lot of touchdowns. He
Speaker 1: looked great, and he's getting a lot of attention. He
Speaker 1: still looked like a really really great player to two
Speaker 1: less quick points for me. One, what better way to
Speaker 1: know for sure whether or not Derek Carr is your
Speaker 1: guy then bringing in arguably the best receiver in the league.
Speaker 1: And I think I think that's what we'll see. Could
Speaker 1: be surprised. Maybe Kyler Murray ends up being their quarterback
Speaker 1: in Week one or somebody else, but I think maybe
Speaker 1: Gruden now sees if if put them with a true
Speaker 1: number one, uh what happens. Also, you're winners and losers.
Speaker 1: One one that I did not see in the winner category,
Speaker 1: which I think should have been there the rest of
Speaker 1: the a f C North, including Marks Cleveland Brown's because
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the Steelers done again and in there, um,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the Steelers are done. But now we
Speaker 1: officially know for sure that that kind of era, that
Speaker 1: book is closed with the Killer Bees, and I don't
Speaker 1: think the Steelers will be um a favorite in that
Speaker 1: division at this point. Perhaps they win twelve games next year,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think it's a great news, great day
Speaker 1: for the rest of the ANFC. One question, because we
Speaker 1: heard up until the end of the Eagles, the Titans
Speaker 1: and Jets were put into this mix. At one point
Speaker 1: we're all in on Antonio Brown and making up some
Speaker 1: sort of a push for him. Were they all outbid
Speaker 1: by this hyper low offer or to they jump out
Speaker 1: because for everybody else wanted to pay him what the
Speaker 1: Raiders were gonna pick. I think that's it. I think
Speaker 1: the rest I'm not. I don't like. The One thing
Speaker 1: is this is this is still a great player to me?
Speaker 1: Are you are you just you're saying they're gonna get No,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have his numbers will be down. I'm saying
Speaker 1: I find the Raiders to be a direction list team organization,
Speaker 1: and you look at a team like the Patriots, who
Speaker 1: are you know, as Evan silv Alway says, running laps
Speaker 1: around the rest of the league. They watch the Giants
Speaker 1: go out and make Nates Solder the highest paid lift
Speaker 1: tackle in the league, get a third round pick compensation
Speaker 1: wise for that trade, a third for Trent Brown and
Speaker 1: fifth round pick move him from right from right tackle
Speaker 1: to left tackle to fill that hole. Now they're going
Speaker 1: to collect the third round pick. The Raiders make him
Speaker 1: the highest paid offensive tackle in the league annually. Um,
Speaker 1: they drafted Colton not to play left tackle. Now they're
Speaker 1: putting him at right tackle to take the guy who
Speaker 1: was a career right tackle only to be used as
Speaker 1: a left Like, where's the direction that the move is?
Speaker 1: To get these guys before their big money? What the
Speaker 1: Patriots do, what the Raiders do is throw away more
Speaker 1: money than anybody else in the league. What at two
Speaker 1: different players? Bad teams get stuck doing that. I hear you,
Speaker 1: but I just I'm not ready to call this like
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown's decline face yet, although I think his numbers
Speaker 1: will be vastly down potentially everything. But basically, Jerry Rice
Speaker 1: in History says that I do think we should we
Speaker 1: should say that the Steelers, however they handled it, they lost.
Speaker 1: I mean they've failed. I mean Kevin Colb, this whole
Speaker 1: thing of trying to set a deadline, and there's all
Speaker 1: these teams, these teams interested. I don't know what the
Speaker 1: option was because then and hammer the Steelers for dealing
Speaker 1: with a crazy person. It's just an right because what
Speaker 1: three players could do this next off season. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's unique the Antonio Brown situation because there's not many
Speaker 1: Antonio Browns. But you're right, Antonio Brown put them in
Speaker 1: such a tough spot, and I think you're right. West.
Speaker 1: We may never really get the answer, but I think
Speaker 1: the Raiders who apparently offered that third and fifth early
Speaker 1: in the process and they just sat on it, and
Speaker 1: they were willing to pay Antonio Brown, but they weren't
Speaker 1: willing to give up much draft cab. And I think
Speaker 1: there were other teams like the Bills, maybe the Titans,
Speaker 1: who knows that we're willing to give up more draft picks,
Speaker 1: but weren't into the money. And when you watched when
Speaker 1: I watched Drew Rosenhouse's interview on on NFL Network with
Speaker 1: Andrews Ciciliana, you definitely got the sense that, like the
Speaker 1: Raiders were fine changing the money. And I think ultimately
Speaker 1: it's like Antonio Brown made that happen and the Steelers
Speaker 1: are losers. And it is Colbert's fault on some level
Speaker 1: because they are eating twenty one million in dead cat money,
Speaker 1: largely because he should have foreseen his wide receiver quitting
Speaker 1: on his team ahead of time. That's fault because he
Speaker 1: didn't manage the cap well throughout the last three or
Speaker 1: four years. And every year they have to keep doing
Speaker 1: these things where they move their base salary into a
Speaker 1: guaranteed bonus for Roethlisberger for a lot of the UH
Speaker 1: offensive alignment. And they did that for Antonio Brown last year.
Speaker 1: You can not foreseeing Antonio Brown doing this. But I
Speaker 1: can't blame him for right now I'm saying. I'm saying
Speaker 1: most teams are not in such cap problem that they
Speaker 1: had to guarantee Anthony Round all this money last year.
Speaker 1: That's a big reason why is because they had to
Speaker 1: change all of his money around. You're right, they didn't
Speaker 1: see it coming right now. Like the other option would
Speaker 1: be to hold him hostage even if he's not gonna play,
Speaker 1: and not trade him at all and just keep it.
Speaker 1: That was always your career. That was found out to
Speaker 1: be funny. He kept saying, what, we'll keep him if
Speaker 1: we can, and they obviously weren't going to keep no
Speaker 1: matter what. West Before we move on, you know what
Speaker 1: would have helped you have a colvert? What would have
Speaker 1: helped him GMT. Hey, we have a team interested willing
Speaker 1: to give up a third and a fifth and give
Speaker 1: a thirty million dollar guaranteed contract. At me, oh, I
Speaker 1: think that. I think they essentially had that already. The
Speaker 1: g m AP removes any question whether or not everyone
Speaker 1: is plugged in. That's fair. Moving on, Los Angeles Rams.
Speaker 1: More breaking news. More breaking news from Adam Schefter. Patriots
Speaker 1: DN Tree Flowers intends to sign with the Detroit Lions
Speaker 1: in a five year deal. W Kett just jumping right
Speaker 1: in there. Look at Ken Brown right now. Ken, typically
Speaker 1: you will slack me. I did, but you didn't respond.
Speaker 1: The show doesn't go up till hours later. But yeah, alright, Ken,
Speaker 1: thank you very much for that. I love it. Trey
Speaker 1: Flowers does leave doing New England Patriots. Glad we didn't
Speaker 1: take the show any earlier. U to go to the Lions.
Speaker 1: Do we have any contract details? There can't at this point.
Speaker 1: To five year deal should be according a rap sheet,
Speaker 1: more than sixteen or seventeen. Okay, So the Lions, who
Speaker 1: really do need to make a splash, make a big
Speaker 1: one in grabbing Greg the best all around player on
Speaker 1: the Patriots defense. Yeah, once they didn't think it was
Speaker 1: worth franchise tagging Trey Flowers. I assumed that he was
Speaker 1: going to get a deal elsewhere, whether it was in
Speaker 1: the a f C East or now, it makes sense,
Speaker 1: you know, Patriots Midwest. In terms of Detroit, uh, the
Speaker 1: Lions have already brought in Danny, signed Danny Avendola. They've
Speaker 1: already said going to the playoffs. Justin Coleman. They've also
Speaker 1: signed Justin Coleman, who's really a Seahawks product because the
Speaker 1: Patriots basically gave him away to the Seahawks. But Matt
Speaker 1: Matricia knows him well after his two years of quiet
Speaker 1: play in New England and then he really played well
Speaker 1: in Seattle. But this is the biggest move and it
Speaker 1: gets I think it's a good signing. I know, West,
Speaker 1: maybe you don't think he's worth that sort of money,
Speaker 1: but to me, he's like a top I would have
Speaker 1: to put the list in front of me, but to me,
Speaker 1: he's a top ten to twelve, you know, defen defensive
Speaker 1: lineman or fifth, top fifteen defensive lineman. And I don't
Speaker 1: put he's not exactly interior, he's not exactly an edge rusher,
Speaker 1: but he's perfect for this type of defense that wants
Speaker 1: to be able to change what they do week to week. Okay,
Speaker 1: you want a two man front one week. You want
Speaker 1: a three, you wanta four, you wanta five? Tree Flowers
Speaker 1: can do it all. He can set the edge, he's smart,
Speaker 1: and he really does disrupt plays. And he's in the
Speaker 1: middle of his prime. And that's just how much people
Speaker 1: cost in free agency. If Olivia Vernon was worth seventeen
Speaker 1: a year three years ago, I think he's a better
Speaker 1: player than Olivia Vernon, Which is why you see a
Speaker 1: lot of bad teams making moves right now, because that's
Speaker 1: when players get extremely overpaid. And how many times have
Speaker 1: we seen a coach go to a new spot, then
Speaker 1: way overpaid to bring in his guys, get rid of
Speaker 1: the last guys, guys, and then he's fired within three years.
Speaker 1: And you know Trey Flowers. Tray Flowers is released right
Speaker 1: when Matt Patricia gets fired from the Lions. I mean
Speaker 1: to me, it's a lot like Malik Jackson. I nobody
Speaker 1: compared him to Michael Bennett, but it reminds me a
Speaker 1: lot of Milick Jackson going to the Jaguars and he
Speaker 1: had clay As Campbell, Yanni cant Way, and Marcel Darius
Speaker 1: there to help him out. Who's helping Drey Flowers? You
Speaker 1: got snacks there DeShawn Hands, But I think that Jackson
Speaker 1: signing was something that Jaguars would do over again. And
Speaker 1: and Flowers plays about three four hundred more snaps and
Speaker 1: relish it's just gonna be on the field. I went
Speaker 1: back and listened to a Porsche and of our I
Speaker 1: guess you would call it the opening free agency bonanza,
Speaker 1: you know, some up scenario from a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: And like eight percent of the people that we talked
Speaker 1: about are either on their way out or on there
Speaker 1: are already gone from the team. So it's there is
Speaker 1: a like a lingering buzz kill to all this, like
Speaker 1: you know, manufactured excitement over all these signings. I totally agree,
Speaker 1: and yet I think Flowers is really safe. I just
Speaker 1: don't like what's like the worst case scenario to me
Speaker 1: with him is he's solid and he gives you ten
Speaker 1: to twelve million dollars in value, and yes, you're you're
Speaker 1: better off if you're the Patriots and you're drafting guys
Speaker 1: like that. And they certainly had a price for him
Speaker 1: and it wasn't this high, and that's unfortunate because I
Speaker 1: loved watching him play, But like, he's not going to
Speaker 1: turn into a bum. He's like he's a good player.
Speaker 1: And the flip side to the coach going to from
Speaker 1: A to B and bringing in his guys is Ma Patricia.
Speaker 1: I like the idea of map Patricia knowing exactly who
Speaker 1: Trade Flowers is, using the right scheme and putting something
Speaker 1: ann quality into Detroit's defense. Then Ray Flowers going to
Speaker 1: a group of coaches that have never worked with him
Speaker 1: and have no idea if he'll work out five. Quinn
Speaker 1: has been there since two thousand sixteen. So even though
Speaker 1: it's only right, even though even though it's Patricia's, Quinn
Speaker 1: is under some pressure to make some some magic. I
Speaker 1: mean they paid his ziggy ansa seventeen million. I mean
Speaker 1: I'd settle for even vaguely exciting instead of magic. Let's
Speaker 1: move on so much to get to the Rams. Eric
Speaker 1: Weddle there in business. The Rams agreed to terms on
Speaker 1: a two year deal with Wettle that is worth up
Speaker 1: to twelve and a half million. Wettell had, according to Wettle,
Speaker 1: eleven offers, narrowed that list down to five chose the Rams.
Speaker 1: So Wettell, the thirty four year old Veterans safety who
Speaker 1: was cut by the Ravens, last week, UH lands of
Speaker 1: the Rams team with that Super Bowl window wide open.
Speaker 1: Also staying with the Rams, Dante Fowler, who came over
Speaker 1: in that mid season trade from the Jaguars, made an impact,
Speaker 1: especially down the stretch. Well he sticks around, he is
Speaker 1: off the open market and UH at one year and
Speaker 1: fourteen million rap sheet reports, UH feels like a could
Speaker 1: pretty good deal for the Rams, who don't have to
Speaker 1: make a big commitment really to either player, and UH
Speaker 1: have two pieces in place. Well, got what I've never
Speaker 1: seen before the Palindrome contract. Every figure in the contract
Speaker 1: reads the same forwards and backwards signing bonus the actual money.
Speaker 1: I've never seen that before. I think the agent did
Speaker 1: it just to be fun cute. It was cute. Fowler
Speaker 1: especially surprised me because especially Ed Rusher and all that. UM.
Speaker 1: I feel like he could have gotten a better contract
Speaker 1: than the open market for one year. Though I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's that's a lot of bucks for one year.
Speaker 1: I think that that's a Usually I am skeptical when
Speaker 1: you give teams too much credit for attracting free agents
Speaker 1: in terms of like how they sold themselves, or it's
Speaker 1: an attractive place to play, or the coaching staff. But
Speaker 1: I I I would tend to give the RAMS staff
Speaker 1: a little bit of credit that I think they convinced
Speaker 1: Dante Fowler based on his experience with them. Look how
Speaker 1: great that just worked out for you? Uh, for eight
Speaker 1: or nine weeks. We're gonna pay you what you would
Speaker 1: have made, if not more, on an average salary. But
Speaker 1: we're gonna make you look so great again for another
Speaker 1: year that you can go be a free agent and
Speaker 1: make even more money uh a year from now. Because
Speaker 1: I agree West, I think he would have done better
Speaker 1: guarantees and a long term deal, but the long term
Speaker 1: potential is maybe even better if he gets paid a
Speaker 1: lot this year and then people aren't teams aren't worried
Speaker 1: that it was just a fluke. I don't think he
Speaker 1: was gonna make Trey Flowers money as a free agent
Speaker 1: by any means that this office mean. I don't know
Speaker 1: if his agent would would agree with that strategy. Necessarily
Speaker 1: what happens if you tear your A C L in
Speaker 1: early December? But he agreed to the deal. Well, the
Speaker 1: one thing I like is the RAM. These feel like
Speaker 1: more honest contracts to me. I can trust that that
Speaker 1: Weddle will be there for two seasons, and we know
Speaker 1: foul will be there for one. Don't don't lace this
Speaker 1: up with these you know, these phony four year deals
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and they're not there, right, deal is already.
Speaker 1: There's no way he's getting to the end of that
Speaker 1: six year deal. You see a lot of prove it
Speaker 1: contracts that are for one year five million. You don't
Speaker 1: see one year fourteen million proven exactly. What was the
Speaker 1: Nodominican Sioux contracts almost identical. So they took basically that
Speaker 1: Sue money and gave it to Fowler. Sue wasn't proven everything.
Speaker 1: He was already He's a three time, four time pro
Speaker 1: All Pro. He's not. He wasn't trying to prove anything.
Speaker 1: You're You're right. I think it's it really is a
Speaker 1: case of betting on himself. If you're Fowler, I think
Speaker 1: it's a belief that he is. He must believe that
Speaker 1: he's gonna do even better, uh this season because Master
Speaker 1: and Waite Phillips defense is a good place to write
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. He had, He had as good a
Speaker 1: contract push I think, after a pretty stark cross career
Speaker 1: as any player in recent memory. Don't um Yeah, we
Speaker 1: should not discount how inviting and alluring it is to
Speaker 1: be playing for the Rams right now. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm and I think he probably had an unbelievable time
Speaker 1: playing for them. He loves it here. The media is here,
Speaker 1: the clubs are here. The I was gonna say the
Speaker 1: fans that they had a lobotomy removed the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: experience from his member. And it's a bit super Bowl contender.
Speaker 1: So maybe he is wads chill. I mean, Wade's not
Speaker 1: gonna be like having you running gassers and colling at you.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a club club Wade. Uh. Here's another
Speaker 1: big contract quad Alexander who uh missed um most of
Speaker 1: last season after suffering a touring a c L. With
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers. The former fourth round pick he had become
Speaker 1: an important player on that defense. Well, forget about the
Speaker 1: a c L, you know, forget about everything, because the
Speaker 1: forty Niners say, we want this man, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: pay him big money. He signed. According to rap Sheet,
Speaker 1: he's expected to sign excuse me, a four year, fifty
Speaker 1: four million dollar deal with twenty seven million. That's again
Speaker 1: the important number in guarantees, a big paiday West for
Speaker 1: the tour, a four year old, thirteen and a half
Speaker 1: million average tops Luke Keigley. Is this crazy money? This
Speaker 1: is crazy money, and it's all because the forty Honors
Speaker 1: drafted the wrong guy in Rubend Foster. Their linebacker corps
Speaker 1: is depleted. They needed desperately to pay for linebackers. They
Speaker 1: get a guy who's a little bit bit like alec Ogletree,
Speaker 1: physical athletic, makes big plays, but also misses a lot
Speaker 1: of tackles, is not always where he needs to be.
Speaker 1: And I would question, outside of picking up the phone,
Speaker 1: when Bill Belichick wanted to unload Jimmy Garoppolo on Kyle Shanahan,
Speaker 1: what has John Lynch done well in San Franciso. I
Speaker 1: agree with you, including the Malcolm Smith signing two years ago,
Speaker 1: which is another linebacker. He is Jerrick McKinnon, He's going
Speaker 1: to stay. Jerick McKinnon was bad luck, but it was
Speaker 1: a curious signing. You know, Malcolm Smith is going to
Speaker 1: stay on a pay cut. Kwan Axander's coming off a
Speaker 1: tourn a c l like I always, I've been thinking
Speaker 1: for a few years that there's a there's a mark
Speaker 1: get there for value in terms of guys coming off
Speaker 1: to ourn a c L s are big injuries that
Speaker 1: they almost seem to get undervalued sometimes as free agents.
Speaker 1: But maybe that's out the window because I mean, he's four,
Speaker 1: he's supposedly three, four or five months from football activities.
Speaker 1: He might not be, you know, hopefully he's ready for
Speaker 1: the start of the season. But he was an up
Speaker 1: and down player who made a lot of big plays.
Speaker 1: But I think Bucks fans would tell you he was
Speaker 1: so aggressive he gave up a lot of big place.
Speaker 1: You almost have to look at that front office and
Speaker 1: say they've gotten lucky in one sense, where the late
Speaker 1: season trade two seasons ago for Jimmy G brought so
Speaker 1: much optimism that you could you covered all the sins
Speaker 1: that in the rest of the team building, and then
Speaker 1: the early season injury to Jimmy G last year gave
Speaker 1: everyone this mulligan like, well, of course we aren't seeing
Speaker 1: the real Niners without Jarrey mckinnick. I, Well, now this
Speaker 1: time around, you can't go six and ten without some heads.
Speaker 1: This is one though. We're we're taping it pretty soon
Speaker 1: after it was first reported. I would be curious to
Speaker 1: see the guarantee guaranteed money there's something there now, Like
Speaker 1: the insiders, they're they're getting smart. Dan. You know, we've
Speaker 1: been getting on them for like saying guaranteed money this show.
Speaker 1: You know, guaranteed money is not really guaranteed. Now he
Speaker 1: he apparently has twenty seven million dollars in rolling guarantees
Speaker 1: and what's rolling guarantee whatever that means. So maybe it's
Speaker 1: like a one year contract for all we really Now
Speaker 1: at this point, let's move on a trade trade trade tsunami.
Speaker 1: It's coming. It's been here, it's been coming here. It
Speaker 1: is trade trade to unami. Talked about the Raiders earlier.
Speaker 1: They also made a made a deal this weekend sending
Speaker 1: collecche Assemile, the left guard, two time Pro bowler who
Speaker 1: suffered um a down seasoneen so Gruden ships him out
Speaker 1: of town along with a sixth round pick to the Jets,
Speaker 1: who get offensive line help, which they need. It's a
Speaker 1: twenty nine year old player who if he stays healthy,
Speaker 1: if if if he's in good shape and all, that
Speaker 1: represents a huge upgrade, uh for the Jets in the
Speaker 1: middle of their line. And and like I talked about
Speaker 1: this last week, as important as bringing in somebody like
Speaker 1: Levian Bell is fixing that line in front of Donald
Speaker 1: is equally important, and I think this is a good
Speaker 1: step in that direction. Your thoughts, gentleman. It seems to
Speaker 1: me that the Raiders there are reports from ESPN specifically
Speaker 1: that they are cash poor after paying for Antonio Brown
Speaker 1: and Trent Brown. So Trent Brown like deferred most of
Speaker 1: his big money into the second year after they get
Speaker 1: to Vegas in theory because there's no income tax there.
Speaker 1: But maybe it's you know, so they're helping the Jets
Speaker 1: build their offensive line because they can't afford Collecchi Assembly.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they also think that Assembly is a bit
Speaker 1: in decline from where they signed him three years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was one of those guys that Mark if I
Speaker 1: think if you listen to the show three years ago,
Speaker 1: we would have been talking about off the top. He
Speaker 1: was a top five free agent the whole line, and
Speaker 1: and he was on the potential cuts list um because
Speaker 1: Mayak especially and then after at the combine, Mayak kind
Speaker 1: of set Assemily you thought was up and down a
Speaker 1: year ago, which you know was maybe telegraphing it. But
Speaker 1: for the Jets it seems like a very I mean
Speaker 1: at worst, he's a competent starting guard, which is better
Speaker 1: than I possible to get. I think these veteran pick
Speaker 1: swap deals are like, you know, they're the new money ball,
Speaker 1: and um, Matt Paradis, who is the big center on
Speaker 1: the market. There's a report out there that it's between
Speaker 1: the Jets and the Bills in terms of the fight
Speaker 1: to get uh Paradis. So that would be a nice
Speaker 1: upgrade to the middle of that line. So we'll see
Speaker 1: how it all plays out. Um. Another trade the Patriots
Speaker 1: in business. They acquired Michael Bennett and round picked from
Speaker 1: the Eagles in exchange for a fifth round pick. Bennett
Speaker 1: we had heard he was of His salary was a
Speaker 1: little bit restricting for the Eagles they were gonna put
Speaker 1: potentially release him. Instead, they move him in a deal
Speaker 1: Bennett mark still even at age thirty three, hat makes
Speaker 1: an impact on a defensive may the raider of the
Speaker 1: Patriots a little bit better? It sounds like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess to West's point, you look at this Michael Bennett,
Speaker 1: a guy who systematically knows he's going to play into
Speaker 1: deep January every year he's in the NFL. He's proven
Speaker 1: he can do it and You're not one of these
Speaker 1: teams blowing the bank for someone coming off a big season.
Speaker 1: He fits with the Patriots, and I'm sort of over
Speaker 1: doubting anything they do at this point until they prove
Speaker 1: that they can't operate a football team better than anyone
Speaker 1: else in the league. Michael Bennet, you've you've already, you
Speaker 1: already had the other Bennett brother there. Why not just
Speaker 1: go full house? Martellis wants to come back now. Martellis
Speaker 1: says he wants to play again. I have a feeling
Speaker 1: the Patriots, I don't know if we need that, aren't
Speaker 1: gonna go along with that. I think they'd feel one
Speaker 1: Bennett is enough. I think people have been waiting for
Speaker 1: Michael Bennett to fall off, and it hasn't really happened.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's still a very solid starter, if not better,
Speaker 1: at a cheap price. But the Eagles, to the credit,
Speaker 1: I think they think a little more like some baseball
Speaker 1: teams do. They They looked at Malick Jackson out there
Speaker 1: and thought, well, we'd rather have Malick Jackson for a
Speaker 1: few extra million dollars more than Michael Bennett, and we'll
Speaker 1: just will just move on from Michael Bennett. Expected to
Speaker 1: sign a three or thirty million dollar deal. According to
Speaker 1: rap sheet Malik Jackson, how about less pointing out that
Speaker 1: that Trey Flowers was kind of the Michael Bennett of
Speaker 1: of the Patriots defense last week, and I think the
Speaker 1: Patriots were listening and they were just like, let's get
Speaker 1: the original for way cheaper. There have been post released
Speaker 1: whispers in Seattle and Philadelphia that Michael Bennett cares about
Speaker 1: rushing the passer to the extent that he no longer
Speaker 1: plays great run defense. Now I don't think pf S
Speaker 1: grades reflect that, but both of those teams apparently thought
Speaker 1: that the Patriots do need an edge rusher. And he
Speaker 1: does play sort of the same position as Trey Flowers
Speaker 1: where he can go inside, er out, and we saw
Speaker 1: down the stretch last year. He can definitely still get
Speaker 1: to the quarter. He never stops playing. He plays, He
Speaker 1: plays a lot of snaps, and they just they're gonna
Speaker 1: need some talent on the defensive line. It is not
Speaker 1: a good defensive line without without Trey Flowers there. It
Speaker 1: also might be a guy you know this, he's been
Speaker 1: in the NFL a long time. I mean, you don't
Speaker 1: want to cast dispersions, you know, he might just be
Speaker 1: like after a year of Michael Bennett just been like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that was that was good. But maybe that's get a
Speaker 1: ring and get out. Let's let's move on your Patriots
Speaker 1: fandom again. You you've recently noted that you're not really
Speaker 1: a Patriots fan anymore and you're just waiting for I mean,
Speaker 1: that's been that's been blown out of its Uh, it's
Speaker 1: actually not been focused on enough. But I raised the
Speaker 1: possibility and you would have loved that. Yeah, we talked
Speaker 1: about that that when Belichick retires, Am I really going
Speaker 1: to be a I have not decided. I'm just saying like,
Speaker 1: that's I think changing your two not gonna feel I know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm talking through it on the podcast, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I am. Is it is it possible that I'm not
Speaker 1: going to be as mostly invested? I mean, there are
Speaker 1: the Dolphins as emotionally invested after Don Cholo left. Probably not.
Speaker 1: It's like, come on, you gotta you gotta watch I
Speaker 1: mean a few assumptions being thrown. You know, you gotta
Speaker 1: watch cam Cameron running the show and be like, oh, yep,
Speaker 1: I'm just as into it as Kenry how it feels
Speaker 1: he seems like a pretty die hard Dolphins fan all
Speaker 1: through the bad years. I have thoughts on that. By
Speaker 1: the way, do you want you want my theory on it?
Speaker 1: I mean, Sarah, it's not cutting or anything, but it's
Speaker 1: my my opinion that you've enjoyed this amazing run with
Speaker 1: the Patriots, the team that you grew up following, and
Speaker 1: you've had this, uh, this Brady Belichick ride. But also
Speaker 1: now listen, you're getting a little bit older, you're making
Speaker 1: waves in NFL media. Maybe you don't want to be
Speaker 1: attached to a team as a fan anymore. So this
Speaker 1: gives you in your mind, this could be my clean out.
Speaker 1: So no longer will I be a fan of a team.
Speaker 1: I could be Greg Rosenthal NFL insider. I know I
Speaker 1: don't want to be an insider. I'm a fan of
Speaker 1: a lot of teams, and I think the Patriots will,
Speaker 1: no matter what, will always be one A And you
Speaker 1: guys seem to be confused when I'm like rooting for
Speaker 1: other teams. I I that was a Springsteenian. I don't
Speaker 1: think trope right there. But it's true. Though. Do you
Speaker 1: think it's phony? Do you know? I just think it's
Speaker 1: interesting that the minute the Patriots like lose their Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame coach, you're out like a fan of things.
Speaker 1: I also, I've kind of given up on other sports.
Speaker 1: You're right, there is a point in getting older that
Speaker 1: I don't like giving up, like my emotional well being
Speaker 1: or stability to anything like that. I mean, outside of
Speaker 1: my part. What do you mean? I mean try it.
Speaker 1: Being a Jets fan for twenty years, you've essentially just
Speaker 1: like this magic carpets floating around from season to season
Speaker 1: every autumn. You're sort of a thousand feet above everyone
Speaker 1: else trying to convince us I may still be a
Speaker 1: Patriots fan. Please. That's why gambling was invented, because as
Speaker 1: you grow older, adults have very little reason for a
Speaker 1: steak in games than eighteen. And there's there's a little
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of cognitive this. It's it's happened
Speaker 1: to all my other sports. I mean, I've kind of
Speaker 1: given up being a real I mean, I'm with you there,
Speaker 1: Red Sox and Celtics fan too, Like I helped put
Speaker 1: a gun to my head to watch college bast emotionally
Speaker 1: invested in the Yukon Huskies anymore. The Springsteenian trope a
Speaker 1: sportswriter trope that you might be um drifting towards in
Speaker 1: your forties is kind of road for teams root for
Speaker 1: good stories. I don't, but they all like hate football
Speaker 1: and like I love football more than than I ever have,
Speaker 1: and but part of I love it a little less
Speaker 1: one like the team you're rooting for is making you miserable.
Speaker 1: I think we've spent enough time on this topic. The
Speaker 1: Chiefs move on from justin Houston. This is a good story.
Speaker 1: I think. I think it's a good one. I think
Speaker 1: you guys should think about it. Think how miserable you
Speaker 1: guys are on Sundays. Maybe you could get that love
Speaker 1: of the sport back. So now after after you're saying
Speaker 1: I should now jump out when things find I have
Speaker 1: with the Jets, they don't ruin my life. And unless
Speaker 1: it's like a rare thing like when Ryan Fitzpatch those
Speaker 1: three interceptions in week seventeen and Buffalo, but usually I
Speaker 1: have enough distance where they don't destroy my life. I
Speaker 1: enjoy rooting for the Jets. I mean, Keith, we like it,
Speaker 1: my brother Kevin. It's a family thing. It don't you
Speaker 1: don't have to. It doesn't have to ruin your life
Speaker 1: or overpower your entire existence. That's all. By the way, Greg,
Speaker 1: look into your right pocket. I put a little present
Speaker 1: into your pocket, So that was you. I was like
Speaker 1: so confused. There was a random slim Jim like in
Speaker 1: my zipped up and I was like, zipped it up,
Speaker 1: that's great. Well, but I totally assumed it was me
Speaker 1: because I'm someone that's you know, occasionally at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, I'll like empty my pockets. There'll be
Speaker 1: some strange things, but they'll be there'll be like some
Speaker 1: strange things that I have no recollection. Uh, you know.
Speaker 1: Taking the Chiefs cut cut ties with Justin Houston. Not
Speaker 1: a huge surprise has happened on Sunday that it's a
Speaker 1: natural I mean it's an old Wisconsin it's a knockoff
Speaker 1: slim Jim. Yeah, that's not the real deal. Least not
Speaker 1: the real deal. Holy Field UH bred veach Um. You know.
Speaker 1: The Combine did not deny reports that a trade UH
Speaker 1: could be possible for the veteran linebacker. Apparently no UH
Speaker 1: suitors were found, so they decided to cut ties with
Speaker 1: Justin Houston West thirty years thirty years old, still can
Speaker 1: get to the quarterback, but maybe not at the same
Speaker 1: level as a few years back. Nine sacks. Last year,
Speaker 1: UH had two sacks in the postseason. A guy I
Speaker 1: feel like should have a market, right. I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna have a market, just not at fifteen million. Um,
Speaker 1: you can still get to the quarterback, like you said,
Speaker 1: and I think we've said on this podcast last year,
Speaker 1: the only two teammates to be in the top ten
Speaker 1: and pressure percentage or justin Houston and d Ford. He
Speaker 1: can still get it done. Um. I could see smart
Speaker 1: team going out and signing him. I think if he
Speaker 1: played anywhere but Kansas City, he'd be seen as one
Speaker 1: of the best pass rushers of the last half five years,
Speaker 1: removed from the twenty two sacks season, which a lot
Speaker 1: of people forget at nine and a half in two
Speaker 1: thousand and seventeen and nine last year in twelve games,
Speaker 1: I mean nine and twelve games. But a ton of pressure,
Speaker 1: like a ton of pressure and watch and sets the edge.
Speaker 1: Does it all really well? It's interesting that they're going
Speaker 1: to move on from their best to defensive alignment if
Speaker 1: they do trade d Ford. There's some talk that the
Speaker 1: Packers and the Niners were maybe interested in trading Ford.
Speaker 1: Ford and man, I think that that would be tried
Speaker 1: to send him there last week. I mean that would
Speaker 1: be Uh, that would be a fun one could have
Speaker 1: like Chris Jones as a one man defensive one. He
Speaker 1: made it into the top ten of our Top one
Speaker 1: o one free agents were just continuing to be updated.
Speaker 1: I got the set Let's a Living Breathing document. West
Speaker 1: was gone this week and he was in St. Louis,
Speaker 1: um at the baby shower. How was the baby shower?
Speaker 1: It was? It was a lot of fun. Baby. I'm
Speaker 1: not a shower person. It's a wedding shower. What are
Speaker 1: you doing there? Baby shower? The man? Is that a
Speaker 1: baby shower? Explaining this on our last podcast. My family
Speaker 1: is also throwing a wedding shower in Cincinnati next month,
Speaker 1: and I'm not even allowed to go to that one
Speaker 1: because I'm a guy. I'm making up an event, like
Speaker 1: a party party for the wedding. Yeah, with the I'm
Speaker 1: making up a work event. Was in that situation. Not
Speaker 1: you're a good man, so you went, but I'm making up. Actually,
Speaker 1: we have this big podcast meeting I can't I can't miss,
Speaker 1: so I have to I can't be at the wedding shower.
Speaker 1: Could not St. Louis, I can't make the new it's
Speaker 1: a new owners meeting to discuss the to collect the bargain.
Speaker 1: You could say anything and that's perfect and you'd be like, ah,
Speaker 1: damn it. All right, well, I'll let you know how
Speaker 1: it is. I'll send photos and you're like, please do
Speaker 1: It ended up being a good time. Like it's definitely
Speaker 1: not my scene, but her friends are very cool. So
Speaker 1: I only brought that up, by the way, to say,
Speaker 1: I get the sense to you. You think justin Houston
Speaker 1: I overrated him a little bit, put him on this
Speaker 1: top ten. I am a big Justin Houston. Okay, good, good,
Speaker 1: good good number nine, same page side. That's good. Uh.
Speaker 1: Denzel Perriman staying staying in l A. The Chargers agreed
Speaker 1: to turns to the linebacker around the two year, twelve
Speaker 1: million dollar extension. Rap sheet reported on Friday, um second
Speaker 1: round pick in the two thousand and fifteen draft. Nice
Speaker 1: moved by your bolts, Greg, Yeah, I like it. I
Speaker 1: mean West West always points out and he's right. How
Speaker 1: they're just a they're a bad run defense in general,
Speaker 1: and they're much better when Denzel Perriman is in the lineup.
Speaker 1: They also got rid of Jalil Die. The Chargers are
Speaker 1: not that far away from I mean they shouldn't. They
Speaker 1: were a thirteen win team that does not get a
Speaker 1: lot of respect. I feel like I want to see
Speaker 1: them make some moves to get excited about this. It's
Speaker 1: got to stay healthier though. Yeah, it's a ton of games.
Speaker 1: He's in old school. He's a throwback player, like a
Speaker 1: thumper of a linebacker, which sort of reminds me of
Speaker 1: Brandon Spikes when he played for the Patriots. Your only
Speaker 1: goal is to stop the run. And I might as
Speaker 1: well just tee you up on this one as well, Greg,
Speaker 1: because I know where it's going. Sean Lee will stay
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys he gets a haircut, Uh so he
Speaker 1: will make haircut. Where is the conduction and salary? I
Speaker 1: think this is a West bit if no, no, no, no, no, Well,
Speaker 1: well he's a Garrett guy. I mean, you can't. They can't.
Speaker 1: They can't quit their guys, can't can't get rid of
Speaker 1: Garrett guy. I mean I think a Clay put it well,
Speaker 1: and you know on Twitter something to the effect. You know,
Speaker 1: Jason Witt and Sean Lee making eight million dollars or
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Combined, uh this year night, but hundreds
Speaker 1: of million dollars in leadership value. I mean it's these guys.
Speaker 1: They're the biggest problem with this move is that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys typically play two linebackers on most of their downs,
Speaker 1: and Jalen Smith and Layton Vanderesh are just simply way
Speaker 1: better than Shawn Lee right now. Depth though not if not,
Speaker 1: if the depth doesn't play special teams. It's expensive depth,
Speaker 1: you know, because it's a sentimental. But there can't be
Speaker 1: any Jerry Jones like, oh, we're gonna make sure Shaan
Speaker 1: Lee has got a big part of this team. Is
Speaker 1: just enough with oh, I think we're gonna say stuff
Speaker 1: that's annoying to men Lee and team at robo back
Speaker 1: check back in the building, turn the page, Cowboys. Dez
Speaker 1: was onto something gets back Uh, Danny playoff Amudlo We
Speaker 1: mentioned that didn't when he signed. He signed appreciated by
Speaker 1: the way. Dak Prescott braving the cold in southern California
Speaker 1: in the desert to watch Serena Williams Friday Night maybe
Speaker 1: the match of the year, Serena versus story as a Ranka.
Speaker 1: He was out there at first season. I wasn't, but
Speaker 1: I was watching on TV. At first, he was trying
Speaker 1: to look all tough, like wearing a T shirt. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh man, it's gotta it's gotta be colder.
Speaker 1: And he had like a little blanket over his things.
Speaker 1: Later on he's got a hoodie and a blanket over
Speaker 1: over his whole thing. Don't try to be too manly.
Speaker 1: You have like an FDR blanket. You put a blanket
Speaker 1: like over his head. And later yes, wow, that's I
Speaker 1: don't want my quarterback wearing an FDR blanket. I feel
Speaker 1: like it shows weakness. That's what he started at first.
Speaker 1: Thing I was trying to be cool. I don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: I try to keep it real here. I like that
Speaker 1: where you're going with the point. What a match though,
Speaker 1: I want I want Sam Donald sitting there in a
Speaker 1: pair of shorts cut thigh high and uh, a nice
Speaker 1: sleeveless T shirt and just taking the old tennis people
Speaker 1: want to pretend it's not cold in southern California. It's
Speaker 1: fifty three degrees and windy. That's cold. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, Sam Donald and like a nice usc flavored
Speaker 1: romper with some little mittens. Now you're speaking my life.
Speaker 1: Back to Massachusetts, or New York for a winter and
Speaker 1: see if you think fifty three and windy is cool,
Speaker 1: that's fair, that's fair. Uh yeah, Danny Amdola reunites with
Speaker 1: Patricia as well, So Patriots Midwest? Is that? I mean?
Speaker 1: I would rather I would not try to have Sean
Speaker 1: Lee for three and a half million then Danny A.
Speaker 1: Mendola for four and a half at this stage in
Speaker 1: his career. I'm a little why do non playoff teams
Speaker 1: keep signing Danny Amendola who's usually injured and ineffective during
Speaker 1: the regular season and only turns into a great player
Speaker 1: and teams logic unless you want to spin him to
Speaker 1: a playoff team near the deadline. Nobody wins here. I
Speaker 1: think it does point out like how difficult it's going
Speaker 1: to be. I don't know. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: say this. Patriots win no matter what, But like as
Speaker 1: more and more of their guys go to other places
Speaker 1: like the Dolphins and lines, seem like they're going to
Speaker 1: compete for every Patriots free agent out there. I mean it.
Speaker 1: You don't want to pay for depth he's thirty four,
Speaker 1: Like spending a lot of money for backups. He's literally
Speaker 1: never had a season over six hundred sixty yards in
Speaker 1: his entire career under ten yards for catching this. I
Speaker 1: think there is a thing where we know this guy
Speaker 1: is from the whole idea of calling anything anywhere Patriots
Speaker 1: Midwest or Patriots West or South, you better be mimicking
Speaker 1: even even a bread crumb of the cess of the
Speaker 1: team we're calling you located somewhere else in Michigan. The Midwest. Yes,
Speaker 1: I feel like they were a little We've had this conversation.
Speaker 1: I think it's north cute with what what midwest is.
Speaker 1: Ohio is right under Michigan, and growing up in Ohio,
Speaker 1: we were only ever refer is the Midwest. I know. Wait,
Speaker 1: grab Brown just got my ear and said Pittsburgh's the
Speaker 1: Midwest too. I consider Pittsburgh way more Midwest. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of conversation, especially like, yeah, is Pittsburgh, it's certainly west,
Speaker 1: the young count eat. It just seems like it's becoming
Speaker 1: a catch all. Well, well, so there's a country flyover country.
Speaker 1: It extends extends far west of Michigan and far and
Speaker 1: east of Michigan. The Midwest sort of begins with Ohio
Speaker 1: and Michigan. I mean, I know Pittsburgh's on the west
Speaker 1: side of the state, right, but the east side of
Speaker 1: the state is damn near at the Atlantic Ocean. But
Speaker 1: here's a long state. Ptsburgh is not included in this map,
Speaker 1: by the way, it's way more. It's Detroit, Cincinnati, Midwest.
Speaker 1: My friends came back from college and like NASCAR suddenly,
Speaker 1: so that's you know, yeah, but I never got just
Speaker 1: because we draw lines to make states doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: everybody in those lines acts like the rest of the Yes,
Speaker 1: it does, all right. Now Mark has a map up here,
Speaker 1: and this is now okay, name these states by well,
Speaker 1: this is not good audio, not at all. So the
Speaker 1: So Pennsylvania, according to this map is not the Midwest,
Speaker 1: thank god. Uh but Ohio is okay, that's fine. Well
Speaker 1: I think Pittsburgh much more DNA with Ohio Philadelphia. Yes,
Speaker 1: for sure, I'm glad we figured that out. Finally, West
Speaker 1: is pro cut Pennsylvania down the middle. I think that
Speaker 1: we paid too much attention to borders. Ouch big statement there.
Speaker 1: The Lions agreed the terms. Did we mention this justin Coleman,
Speaker 1: We did. We did good. Highest paid back in the NFL.
Speaker 1: This is the year that nickel players start getting paid
Speaker 1: slot receivers and slot corners are it and paid like
Speaker 1: wide receiver twos and cornerback twos? Is this the year
Speaker 1: that nickel Back the band gets the respect that they've
Speaker 1: crazed their entire careers. I'm gonna go with no, Ken Brown.
Speaker 1: The greatest um rock artist of all time is rock
Speaker 1: artist Mick Jagger. Okay, okay, that's the same answer. I
Speaker 1: mean the Rolling Stones as the band. But yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll give you Jagger you unless you're a solo stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying you said artists, so I didn't want
Speaker 1: to say band, so I went with the best. I mean,
Speaker 1: I would maybe go as someone that like played music
Speaker 1: as at least as part of his arsenal Mick Jagger
Speaker 1: from Kent, England. There we go. Don't you dare say?
Speaker 1: Ken Brown is not bringing the heat to be around
Speaker 1: the NFL podcast. Did we say Jason Peters is back
Speaker 1: to the Eagles on a one year deal? We did
Speaker 1: not did not, So that's big future Hall of Famer
Speaker 1: hanging around. That's big useful. They figured it out, not
Speaker 1: Jason Peters anymore, but you can still think there was
Speaker 1: some doubt about that one, and they figured it out.
Speaker 1: He's way better than right, I mean he it's funny
Speaker 1: to think about because like, how much better is he
Speaker 1: than Trent Brown? Right now? He's so much better than
Speaker 1: Trent Brown and he's so much less expensive. Greg, I
Speaker 1: will I honestly, you're gonna be surprised by this, but
Speaker 1: I will support you if you attempt to distance yourself
Speaker 1: from the throne of sleeves. It's just more of an
Speaker 1: intellectual But you just gotta promise me that I'll never
Speaker 1: let's say, twenty years down the line, maybe we're all
Speaker 1: different parts of the country and we're all together. Who
Speaker 1: knows that. I'm not listening to an interviewer a podcast
Speaker 1: with you as the guest, and you and someone asked you, well,
Speaker 1: what what do you root for? Who do you root for? A? Greg?
Speaker 1: I know you're from New England. I root for good stories.
Speaker 1: Just promise me you'll never say that, well, you would
Speaker 1: never listen to that, to that podcast. But that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's fair. But I won't say that. And I and
Speaker 1: this whole time, I've said, did did be one a?
Speaker 1: It just be a little like different, It's just gonna
Speaker 1: be different. It's there one a. It's like I was
Speaker 1: there at the at the Old World Series last year,
Speaker 1: rooting on the Red sex in I living and dying
Speaker 1: emotionally like I used to know. Because you're not putting
Speaker 1: in the sweat equity of watching them every time, that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're rooting against him. You've got your family,
Speaker 1: you got stressed up. In a lot of nice words,
Speaker 1: I just something about it feels wrong to me. But
Speaker 1: I'll also do the work to try to figure out
Speaker 1: what on earth you're doing. I am worried. You know,
Speaker 1: you never want to, like, if you have something that
Speaker 1: you do, you don't want to just do it. But
Speaker 1: worse at any point, and the Patriots whatever they're you know,
Speaker 1: being a fan of them, it's gonna be you're gonna
Speaker 1: do it, but worse retroactively it would well, I don't listen.
Speaker 1: We don't have time retroactively it might affect not that
Speaker 1: it matters to you, just like um you're saying I
Speaker 1: wouldn't listen to your podcast. It doesn't matter to you.
Speaker 1: What do I think of you as a fan. But
Speaker 1: I would think somebody that quit on the team as
Speaker 1: soon as they weren't good anymore. It's like a Bulls
Speaker 1: fan getting out on Chicago after Jordan retired, I would think, oh,
Speaker 1: you were never a real fan to start with. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that's fair in Greg's defense. So I've considered
Speaker 1: myself a San Antuto Spurs fan from the moment they
Speaker 1: drafted Tim Duncan, and as much as I want to
Speaker 1: love to be there still, now the Duncan and Kawhi
Speaker 1: Leonard are gone, it's just like, Okay, what what am
Speaker 1: I really root? Well? You to the list. Of course
Speaker 1: I'll be rooting for him, and especially if we're still
Speaker 1: doing this podcast. When Belichick leaves, you know I'll be
Speaker 1: you know, you will outlive this podcast. I'll be rooting
Speaker 1: for him. But in your heart, is it gonna mean
Speaker 1: as much to you? Now? That's I'm just being honest.
Speaker 1: Probably not. Am I still a Knicks fan? If I
Speaker 1: haven't watched the Knicks game in ten years, I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody's doing there. It's awesome. More like, what do
Speaker 1: you want out of out of being a sports fan?
Speaker 1: It's like, if you've gotten everything you want, if you've
Speaker 1: gotten the best that there could ever be. It's like
Speaker 1: again and asking it's a nice pr job, But I
Speaker 1: think more where some of us are getting to is
Speaker 1: your What from another angle is as soon as it
Speaker 1: becomes a struggle, I'm out. You want the ease and
Speaker 1: the joy. I know that's not what you're saying, because
Speaker 1: you're talking about it as an intellectual, curious exercise. But
Speaker 1: but on the surface level, from another angle, it's like,
Speaker 1: when this isn't like pleasurable to me, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: ride with this entity, whether I'm a team or something else.
Speaker 1: With the tough times too, this is it better not
Speaker 1: bleed over into the wheel way. You do other things.
Speaker 1: That's all. This is exactly what I was talking about
Speaker 1: the other day. When there's an inverse relationship between toughness
Speaker 1: and quality of life. You don't want to endure the
Speaker 1: bad times and what that doesn't mean That means you're
Speaker 1: not gonna be tough. I'm more open minded on this,
Speaker 1: but they're making great points. You have to say the
Speaker 1: kids and cousins, sir, sometimes you have to endure the
Speaker 1: bad times. I think it's more just getting old and
Speaker 1: like wondering. You know, when you go down to those
Speaker 1: super the Super Bowls have changed it a little bit
Speaker 1: for me being there in person, like going down to
Speaker 1: the locker room like when they've won and lost or whatever,
Speaker 1: and it's just like, oh, here are all these guys.
Speaker 1: But it's like there's not really any difference between the
Speaker 1: Patriots guys and the Rams guys are the Eagles guys,
Speaker 1: and it's like they're all just these like millionaire athletes
Speaker 1: that wear this uniform for a short time and they're
Speaker 1: just they don't really have it. And then you're just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well it's a little different us. I know what you're
Speaker 1: talking about, the toughness of the battle. The Yankees had
Speaker 1: like three seasons in a row earlier this decade, and
Speaker 1: if he's stuck with him through that, But were you
Speaker 1: as into them those seasons? I was. That's why. And
Speaker 1: again I'm not touching, but I love the Yankees as much,
Speaker 1: probably more now than I did ten years ago, just
Speaker 1: because they were released from anything NFL really related. Um,
Speaker 1: that's part of it too, as we do this for
Speaker 1: our jobs. Absolutely agree with that. All right, good talk,
Speaker 1: Big week coming up, So we're gonna have a show,
Speaker 1: um an NFL dot com Free Agency. It's the name
Speaker 1: of the program, Free Agency Live Frenzy. No, I think
Speaker 1: they dropped friends. We're not included with that frenzy. For
Speaker 1: the most part, Free Agency Live is okay. So we're
Speaker 1: doing a show today, is that correct? It will already
Speaker 1: have air, but it will be on NFL dot com afterwards. Yes,
Speaker 1: so we we're doing to NFL dot com video shows
Speaker 1: and you could get the links from our Twitter pages
Speaker 1: or fully the around the NFL Twitter handle. But this
Speaker 1: podcast if you're just if you're all about purity, I
Speaker 1: just listened to the pot and we don't judge you.
Speaker 1: You gotta show um Tuesday, Wednesday, when uh the official
Speaker 1: league year begins, the new league gear begins, and then
Speaker 1: uh Thursday, we should have a show as well. So
Speaker 1: a lot of content coming your way in addition to
Speaker 1: our Wednesday UM Twitter show. We are productive. That's it.
Speaker 1: This is Dan Hansons signing off four Quiet Storm the
Speaker 1: mail man. The old boss can't around coming in with
Speaker 1: a breaking news. So first for everything we loved, see
Speaker 1: you tomorrow, Kenny Tail Tuesday