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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansas and I am joined in
Speaker 1: a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and
Speaker 1: Greg Rose. I thought, what is up boys? Hey? Dan?
Speaker 1: Day two free agency and things are happening. Mark. It's
Speaker 1: like I always have issues sleeping, but a lot of times,
Speaker 1: like in other times of year, I'll maybe watch a
Speaker 1: movie in the middle of the night. It's like constant
Speaker 1: refreshing of Rhodo World and constant like online sessions on
Speaker 1: Twitter for like two or three hours in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night. Please let me take you there. Because obviously,
Speaker 1: and this is not a surprise to anyone, but the
Speaker 1: Jets are always going to be a huge player in
Speaker 1: this free agency period for a lot of reasons, uh,
Speaker 1: not the least of which that they had almost more
Speaker 1: money than anyone once the C. J. Mosley kN or
Speaker 1: once the Anthony Barr contract came out, once it was her,
Speaker 1: you know, the Levy on Bell thing was floating out there.
Speaker 1: Um I sent a tweet out, you know, being happy
Speaker 1: about the direction of the Jets free agency, and uh
Speaker 1: I got a d M seconds later, uh from Mike
Speaker 1: aara folo who helpful reminder he offered to me, And
Speaker 1: this is and I respect it. He's a he's a
Speaker 1: guy from the region as well. Um, he just wrote
Speaker 1: to me simply, tension here is unfair. He wrote, what's
Speaker 1: rule number one when you're feeling good as a Jets fan,
Speaker 1: question mark don't which Immediately I'm like, oh Jesus, what
Speaker 1: does that mean, Sam donald drug bus, That's it? And
Speaker 1: then I wrote him back. Uh, you know, I questioned
Speaker 1: whether Sam Donalds was caught up in a fell type situation.
Speaker 1: He said, ha haha, not that bad. But what it
Speaker 1: was was Mike waiting all night by the phone to
Speaker 1: be able to confirm that Anthony Barr backed out on
Speaker 1: the Jets. And and then Ian quickly reported that that
Speaker 1: back out by Anthony Barr could lead to the Jets
Speaker 1: jumping back into leban Bell And as we're taping this
Speaker 1: right now and we'll see what happens, be nice of
Speaker 1: everything got worked out in this next you know, forty
Speaker 1: five minutes. Uh, that is in the air. So there
Speaker 1: are a lot of a roller coaster of emotion as
Speaker 1: a Jets fan and um, that's free agency. Though. I
Speaker 1: think the Jets lucked out what they were gonna pay
Speaker 1: Anthony Barr superstar money to have Greg Williams spinkle sprinkle
Speaker 1: some magic dust on him and change his position as
Speaker 1: a pro. I know, I know. It's the whole thing
Speaker 1: is like the Jets fans and Jets were already convinced him,
Speaker 1: well he didn't in college and like that. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: that's great, but it's just it's a big chance. Every
Speaker 1: free agent signing is a huge chance, and that is
Speaker 1: a huge chance to take. I mean, you can have
Speaker 1: a huge bus like Tremaine Johnson without taking any chances.
Speaker 1: That's a huge chance to take. I think they're fine.
Speaker 1: Anthony air Bar is better off in Minnesota. I thought
Speaker 1: the same thing. And I live in an irrational, irrational fear,
Speaker 1: especially if I was a fan of that team that
Speaker 1: you bring in Greg Williams and then he brings in
Speaker 1: he's his price, then he's gone after year, you've changed
Speaker 1: your defense. You brought in a square hole for a
Speaker 1: round peg or the opposite. I wasn't I wasn't upset
Speaker 1: about it. I was more like, uh, that's what he
Speaker 1: was talking about, referring to Mike. The Mosley signing, I
Speaker 1: liked it, but the fact that it was Mosley and
Speaker 1: bar I I thought it was a little much at
Speaker 1: the linebacker position. So maybe at all uh ends up
Speaker 1: in the wash it works out for the Jets. Usually
Speaker 1: it doesn't, though, so I'm I'm waiting. I'm waiting on
Speaker 1: how the other shoe drops. Not a cupcake, snap food
Speaker 1: this time around. No, nothing like that. Now, and you're
Speaker 1: still signing people left and right. I mean, you're making c. J.
Speaker 1: Mosley the richest middle linebacker in the league. You're playing
Speaker 1: Collecchissemily a ton of money. I like Jamison cra I mean,
Speaker 1: do you have any of that stuff. Well, that's the
Speaker 1: other the other party you're cutting Darren Lee. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's Mike mccague in making up and that's not official yet,
Speaker 1: but I think that's expected. It's Mike mccagnet making up
Speaker 1: for an with Bar gone. Well otherwise Darren Lee, by
Speaker 1: the way, different positions, And yeah, I think it's gone.
Speaker 1: I think they wanted him gone regardless. It didn't really
Speaker 1: get a lot of pubb but he actually made progress
Speaker 1: this past season, but then he had the suspension, which
Speaker 1: not only uh takes him off the field for the
Speaker 1: first four games next year. It also removed, reportedly h
Speaker 1: the guaranteed money, which gives the Jets easy out if
Speaker 1: they want it. So, Yes, the Jets have a lot
Speaker 1: of money in a GM that's fighting for his job
Speaker 1: right now. And I think that's a big part of
Speaker 1: what's going on right now. Uh. Mccagnan's going all in.
Speaker 1: This is not a John Izick tear it all down
Speaker 1: as Rex Ryan tears his hair out situation. Uh. And
Speaker 1: we'll see how it works out. Could go wrong, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: but un bounced. Still as as we speak right now,
Speaker 1: I'm okay with how things are playing out for Gang
Speaker 1: Green uh C J. Mosley H. I mean this was
Speaker 1: a guy, this one hurt. I would think for the Ravens,
Speaker 1: this is a guy in his prime West Uh. I
Speaker 1: think he was number twelve on your top one oh
Speaker 1: one or that's where he is um when we started
Speaker 1: at the top one on one free agents list. Um.
Speaker 1: I like it as a fit for the Jets to
Speaker 1: get a star guy in his prime. What about for
Speaker 1: the Ravens. How devastating is it? Ravens have lost terrell
Speaker 1: sugs Eric Weddle, C J. Mosley, and Zadarius Smith. From
Speaker 1: a defense, it was ranked number one for a good
Speaker 1: portion of last year. Those are all big, big losses.
Speaker 1: Those guys played major snaps. They were four of the
Speaker 1: most important players in that defense. And I think, especially
Speaker 1: with the way that Lamar Jackson is set up to play,
Speaker 1: you're talking about low scoring, run heavy games where you
Speaker 1: need a good defense. So to me, this is this
Speaker 1: feels like a year of transition for the Ravens. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were sort of due to have one of these
Speaker 1: years eventually. I think the Mosley one is the only
Speaker 1: one that really paints them sucks, is I think surprising,
Speaker 1: But I think Mosley is the guy that they start like,
Speaker 1: that's a lifetime raven and he's a really good player.
Speaker 1: I don't think you know, when you watch the Ravens,
Speaker 1: I don't think Mosley is this monster difference maker. It's
Speaker 1: more that he's a leader, he has a great reputation,
Speaker 1: he gets everyone in the right place. He's rock solid,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna pay a premium if you're the Jets
Speaker 1: and free agency the Ravens. I'm not that worried about them,
Speaker 1: just because this is what they do. For years and years.
Speaker 1: They kind of have these mid level guys that get
Speaker 1: huge money elsewhere in free agency and they always figure
Speaker 1: it out. So I'm going to give him the benefits
Speaker 1: of a couple off seasons removed from getting a lot
Speaker 1: younger on defense and having to develop the next wave.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like, I love all these people
Speaker 1: on Twitter saying, oh, the a f C North has
Speaker 1: salted away for the Browns, give me a break. Like
Speaker 1: the Ravens and the Steelers year after year have proven
Speaker 1: that they can lose people and develop behind them until
Speaker 1: that's not true. Give don't tell me that the Ravens
Speaker 1: are out of it. In the a f C. No
Speaker 1: one was talking about Zadarius Smith the year or two ago.
Speaker 1: And they have a way of developing guys and you
Speaker 1: look at their roster and you know they do have
Speaker 1: some answers. They cut Wetal that was their own decision. Uh,
Speaker 1: John Brown, I think is a big loss for them too.
Speaker 1: But it's just it's just a lot at once. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying hand the division to the Browns, but it's
Speaker 1: undeniable that one of the early trends of this year's
Speaker 1: free agency is the talent drain in the NFC a
Speaker 1: f C North. I mean, no doubt, are we okay
Speaker 1: with the money that Anthony Barr gets to stay in Minnesota?
Speaker 1: He had the change of heart. Uh and like Greg
Speaker 1: was saying that they were the Jets were gonna attempt
Speaker 1: to turn Bar into the type of pass rusher he
Speaker 1: was in his college days. Instead, he stays home in
Speaker 1: a familiar environment and gets paid handsomely for it. I
Speaker 1: they know him so well. I mean, he's been in
Speaker 1: that defense for five years. He probably it might have
Speaker 1: been his best season last year. That that or I
Speaker 1: think it was his second. Uh yeah, that that he
Speaker 1: stood out, but he played well, like when when your
Speaker 1: own team gives you that much money, Like I I
Speaker 1: just trust they know what they're gonna do with you.
Speaker 1: And they self scouted him for half a decade. Especially
Speaker 1: Mike said, it's amazing how many Vikings defensive players have
Speaker 1: huge contracts. Are just Vikings in general? They would be
Speaker 1: one viewer because the rap Sheet was saying this could
Speaker 1: cause Everson Griffin to be shed m hm, well they,
Speaker 1: I guess if you think about his did not have
Speaker 1: a good year last year even when he played right
Speaker 1: and you know he had pretty serious mental health issues,
Speaker 1: which is a tough thing to cut a guy for,
Speaker 1: but it is, you know, it's a factor. I mean
Speaker 1: it's definitely a factor. Far all these guys who get
Speaker 1: to free agency, you would have saved money if you
Speaker 1: just had offered him a better contract earlier on. That's fair.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Zadarius Smith, who um came off a big
Speaker 1: year with the Ravens last year eight and a half
Speaker 1: sacks the Packers who you know for years and years
Speaker 1: and years and years and years. Uh, that's what my
Speaker 1: son does now when he really wants to express himself,
Speaker 1: will just say, really, like twenty times in a row,
Speaker 1: it's starting to rub off on me. He's got that
Speaker 1: years and years and years experience on earth to to
Speaker 1: look back and with anyway, So Zadarius Smith, Uh, he
Speaker 1: heads to the Packers, who now are active in free agency.
Speaker 1: Uh for the past two seasons, a four year, sixty
Speaker 1: six million dollar deal. Like like we're saying, Baltimore loses
Speaker 1: another young defender who got the job done. Uh, and
Speaker 1: the Packers, Uh they fill a hole here uh West
Speaker 1: a pass rush. Yeah. I think both of these guys,
Speaker 1: that Darius Smith and Preston Smith had big, big years
Speaker 1: last year two thousand and eighteen. They were also contract years,
Speaker 1: and really the only years you can say this was
Speaker 1: a starting caliber player in the NFL, This was a
Speaker 1: really good player in their entire careers. Those are the
Speaker 1: only years you can say it. So that would give
Speaker 1: me pause if I'm a Packers fan. I think Preston
Speaker 1: Smith has been pretty solid. That was best in years past.
Speaker 1: It was why can't the Redskins get a better pass
Speaker 1: rush your opposite Ryan Kerrigan? And now the Packers pay
Speaker 1: big money for that same guy coming off a career year.
Speaker 1: It's like Clay Matthews obviously has gone. They got rid
Speaker 1: of Nick Perry. And the one thing with Zadarius Smith,
Speaker 1: it's like, I you know, you can't, you can't worry
Speaker 1: about him based on previous Ravens free agents. But like
Speaker 1: Paul Krueger, Pernell McFee were guys that had big years
Speaker 1: and then signed big contracts and went elsewhere. And it's like,
Speaker 1: maybe it is a little bit of the Baltimore defense.
Speaker 1: You know when you hear Tony Romo Cala Ravens game
Speaker 1: and he just glows about their defensive coordinator in the
Speaker 1: scheme and the timing of their blitzes. So to me,
Speaker 1: that would be a second red flag for Zita Darius Smith.
Speaker 1: How much is it the scheme and how much it
Speaker 1: is is his talent? And they kind of and he
Speaker 1: was the guy that I think they knew was gonna
Speaker 1: be gone just because he was gonna get that sort
Speaker 1: of money And he never played more than five snaps
Speaker 1: until this last year. Plays with a lot of energy.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a fun guy to watch. They get
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean they the Packers had Nick Perry
Speaker 1: and Matthews. You replace them with Preston and Zadarius Smith.
Speaker 1: You're much younger, You're much faster, And it's a it's
Speaker 1: a test of faith in Mike Patton. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: counting on Mike Petton to also know how to use
Speaker 1: Adrian Amos, the safety that they brought in will mention
Speaker 1: from from the Bears on a big contract. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's an that's a good signing extraordinary amount of
Speaker 1: money that they're suddenly spending. And now everyone out there
Speaker 1: was like, well, you know, they didn't maximize Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: is prime just because they didn't spend money in free agency.
Speaker 1: I always thought that's that's kind of a fascile over
Speaker 1: simplistic reason of why the Packers had that's one, one,
Speaker 1: one thing, but you know it's one of many things
Speaker 1: that they could have done potentially better. Uh we'll see
Speaker 1: if this just suddenly turns him into a super Bowl Uh.
Speaker 1: One point about that. And yes, they're making the defense
Speaker 1: and questionably better. Everyone in this room likes Mike Petton
Speaker 1: and giving him more toys to play with could help
Speaker 1: the Packers be a better team because they haven't been
Speaker 1: for the last couple of years. But what about the
Speaker 1: idea of building around Aaron Rodgers a little more because
Speaker 1: it hasn't happened yet. Maybe that's all about the draft
Speaker 1: and they're gonna bank on nailing those picks. But I
Speaker 1: did not see a great supporting cast around Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: last year, and so far it's not better. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think like it's weird because the draft is very
Speaker 1: heavy and defensive line and pass rushers, but this free
Speaker 1: agent class is dominated I passed rushers two and there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of teams that have like basically checked that
Speaker 1: box and they don't need to necessarily use the draft
Speaker 1: for it. I like Mike Petton because he is bald
Speaker 1: and has better hair than Dom Capers. I mean, amost
Speaker 1: is getting twenty one million over his first Wait, he's
Speaker 1: bald and has better hair than get it, bald head
Speaker 1: is better than like crazy fake hair or whatever. It
Speaker 1: was the tough I never, you know, as a hair guy,
Speaker 1: never really plugged in on Dom's hairline. What was going
Speaker 1: on with it? Well, it's do a little work and
Speaker 1: you're we don't have to spend a lot of time
Speaker 1: on the show on it. But there was something very mysterious.
Speaker 1: You might have been a little artificial or you know,
Speaker 1: not really as much as you can just go buy
Speaker 1: it at the old Brian locker. It was not more
Speaker 1: like an old wig store from like a like a
Speaker 1: bad lego hair almost. But no, I'm sure a very
Speaker 1: nice man. I don't need to go down that road.
Speaker 1: I feel as a twope, we're reporting, we think so
Speaker 1: I've looked at it up closely, you never really know.
Speaker 1: It's by the way men of the world. And yes,
Speaker 1: I I physically some ways I'm not fortunate. Some ways
Speaker 1: I am hair I am very fortunate. Uh go to West,
Speaker 1: Chris Westling Route West is a better looking man now
Speaker 1: than he was ten years ago. And it's because he
Speaker 1: just embraced it and made it work in a really
Speaker 1: nice way. Do not you know, maybe if you're r Locker,
Speaker 1: because we talked to her Locker at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: He's a large, large man, giant man, and I thought
Speaker 1: it looked good up top. But when you're a millionaire,
Speaker 1: you can get those type of treatments. The hairpiece, it's
Speaker 1: over for the hairpiece. Well, yeah, that's as a society,
Speaker 1: let's move on, I thought, yeah, I think people everyone, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's as stale as that Don Kaper's defense there. Ouch together,
Speaker 1: So you weren't fired up by the way they end
Speaker 1: about the Billy Turner signing for twenty eight million, and
Speaker 1: there's been some wacky offensive line money being thrown out,
Speaker 1: including the Packers doing that on on their guard. I mean,
Speaker 1: I missed the Billy Turner signing. I gotta be honest
Speaker 1: with you. You weren't plugged in on that. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: paying they're paying a lot, all right. Listen, we got
Speaker 1: a surprise guest. We like to hit the audience with
Speaker 1: a treat every once in a while. And sitting to
Speaker 1: my left right now, Charlie Castarle of NFL Network, former
Speaker 1: general manager. The man's got a ring to even two
Speaker 1: times to the host did not do his homework. Charlie
Speaker 1: is in the podcast studio for the first time. Charlie Castley,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Around the NFL Podcast. I'm honored to
Speaker 1: be here. You guys do a great job, and I'm
Speaker 1: glad I could share a few minutes with you in
Speaker 1: between shows here. I know you're a busy man. Right now,
Speaker 1: I would wear the few rings just to help me,
Speaker 1: just to have it on each hand. Awkward, Okay, Um,
Speaker 1: all right, Charlie, so excited to have you here. And
Speaker 1: it's It's Charlie season right now, is what I set
Speaker 1: it downstairs yesterday. You have a little office right next
Speaker 1: to where we are. And you've been in the news
Speaker 1: a lot. Okay. You want to know how much you've
Speaker 1: been in the news, Charlie, No, I don't, but anyway,
Speaker 1: go ahead. Here's the headline from today's or Yesterday's New
Speaker 1: York Post, Josh Rose And next on x NFL exect warp. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm just telling the truth. You can't handle the truth, okay,
Speaker 1: don't take the truth, Josh. Josh Rosen. This book on
Speaker 1: him in college. You know, needed a work harder, Okay,
Speaker 1: you need to be more disciplined, needed to communicate better
Speaker 1: with his players. The book on on Arizona exactly the
Speaker 1: same thing. Hey, this guy has as much talent as
Speaker 1: anybody's gonna be in the last year's draft of this
Speaker 1: year's draft. Is he gonna get it or is he
Speaker 1: not gonna get it? We're gonna find out is he
Speaker 1: Ryan Lee for what? So you've heard some it's not
Speaker 1: just basing it on the college evaluation and what you
Speaker 1: heard in college. You've you've talked to some people at
Speaker 1: the pro level who believe he needs to still mature
Speaker 1: in terms of his work habits. Absolutely well. I said,
Speaker 1: what he needs to do is wherever he goes to
Speaker 1: find out what time the janal opens it up and
Speaker 1: get there with the janitor. I mean, you gotta be
Speaker 1: the first one in the building. Okay, you gotta like
Speaker 1: you off Tenara, NFL Network. That's true. That's true. I'm
Speaker 1: meeting the night show and they're still working. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so uh, and they're nice people to you. We talked sometimes.
Speaker 1: But the thing is this um, he's got to connect
Speaker 1: with his teammates, the offensive line, take him to dinner
Speaker 1: every week. You know, they'll love you a little bit more.
Speaker 1: They'll fight that extra. Uh, you know, a minute for you.
Speaker 1: The other thing is in college, he go off the radar.
Speaker 1: You have the game plan, and he started forcing things.
Speaker 1: He started doing his own thing. He did that with
Speaker 1: the team last year, the Arizona Cars. Now he had
Speaker 1: no help. We got that, but those basics should be
Speaker 1: ingrained in him. So you've spent your entire career building
Speaker 1: up this network of sources, and you're passing along the
Speaker 1: information you get from them. Yeah. Do you ever wonder
Speaker 1: and all these people you've known for years and years
Speaker 1: and years, is there ever a point where you think
Speaker 1: are they using me to further their own agenda? No?
Speaker 1: I I let me say this. You know the ones
Speaker 1: that are gonna do that, okay, and the ones. First
Speaker 1: of all, I never name any names, right, all right,
Speaker 1: So when I do name names, it's in a different set.
Speaker 1: If I'm working, if I feel that certain guys should
Speaker 1: be head coaches and uh, the NFL or college, Uh,
Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with them giving me information,
Speaker 1: not giving me information. In fact, that one guy said
Speaker 1: he got mad at me, uh, And we had a
Speaker 1: little talk. I said, well, you're not ready for that job,
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna go on television. So you're ready
Speaker 1: for a job you're not ready for so hey, you know, Hey,
Speaker 1: we don't talk anymore. But that's his decision. That's that's
Speaker 1: the same thing. The Kyle Murray story story was the
Speaker 1: big story at the combine that you came out and
Speaker 1: said on NFL Network that he didn't have a great
Speaker 1: combine an interview interview, it was not The interview was
Speaker 1: not exactly how if you're a GM you would wanted
Speaker 1: to have gone, uh how and you got You got
Speaker 1: criticized for that as well, Charlie, And to me, it was,
Speaker 1: at least from outside the media, this idea that if
Speaker 1: you say anything critical about these guys, you have something
Speaker 1: out for them. But I can tell you something talking
Speaker 1: to Charlie, the man only has it out for the
Speaker 1: Nationals for letting Bryce Harper get out of the building.
Speaker 1: We we've seen We've worked with Charlie for years and
Speaker 1: you're grinding, You're on the phone all the time. There's
Speaker 1: no agenda for castolely in the spot, No what I
Speaker 1: should I took multiple people and I've known for years
Speaker 1: that I trust, and I've had many a lot of
Speaker 1: conversations with They told me what went on in the room,
Speaker 1: which I can't repeat, but it was not very good.
Speaker 1: He did not have a good interview. Now he had
Speaker 1: an I didn't have a good that's fifteen minutes. That
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he can't play in the league. There's been
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks that have one playoff games that had poor interviews.
Speaker 1: Whether he was poorly prepared or that's just not his
Speaker 1: stage to be able to do things. That's all it was.
Speaker 1: And when I'm going on television here, I've said, Hey,
Speaker 1: I like the guy. I said, the guy's a terrific prospect.
Speaker 1: If you put him in a shotgun offense and run
Speaker 1: spread concepts, there is a way to win with a
Speaker 1: five ft ten quarterback. Uh, that can be done. So
Speaker 1: I've said that. I've said versus Mahomes and him, Mahomes,
Speaker 1: he's better than Mahomes in college on pocket presents, Mahomes
Speaker 1: will take it and run. This guy didn't take it
Speaker 1: a run. He'll look and then he'll run, all right,
Speaker 1: and it's a positive. I talked to a college coach
Speaker 1: that I trust who knows him both, he'd take Murray
Speaker 1: ahead of him. I said, all in the air. People
Speaker 1: want to take things and go with them, uh as
Speaker 1: they fit, Okay. And when you've been in the public stage,
Speaker 1: which I have been for a long time, Hey, you
Speaker 1: just let it roll off your back you want. And
Speaker 1: I thought you had more time today on NFL Network
Speaker 1: to kind of unpack some of that stuff. But when
Speaker 1: you look at the Cardinals, because there was the owner
Speaker 1: that came out with such a strong statement saying absolutely
Speaker 1: it's Josh Rosen, He's our guy. Cliff Kingsbury arrives the
Speaker 1: you know, the GM has had a bit of a
Speaker 1: rocky one or two years inside that building. What is
Speaker 1: your sense of the power structure and why the messaging
Speaker 1: changed so much. Is it Cliff Kingsbury's pack to lead
Speaker 1: here or is he sort of someone is the inside
Speaker 1: perception and the Cardinals that we're starting to get sold
Speaker 1: by Kyler Murray where we absolutely were saying not possible
Speaker 1: a month ago. I can't answer your questions specific I
Speaker 1: can say this. I talked to a coach who was
Speaker 1: interviewed by the Cardinals. Absolutely Rosen was their quarterback. He
Speaker 1: didn't like Rosen didn't get the job. I don't think
Speaker 1: he told him he didn't like him. But but that
Speaker 1: was a Rosen's the guy. See all right, so now
Speaker 1: we well, obviously we've listened to the messages from Rosen's
Speaker 1: the guy to uh, he's our quarterback for now too.
Speaker 1: We haven't made a decision, Okay, So it sounds like
Speaker 1: they should have been saying that the first thing. We
Speaker 1: have made a decision at the beginning said it out,
Speaker 1: Uh to me, if you hire Kingsbury who who? We
Speaker 1: don't know what he is as a pro coach. We
Speaker 1: have no idea. All right, he's gonna be creative. Well,
Speaker 1: we don't know what creative means. Okay, Andy reads pretty creative.
Speaker 1: Mattnege is pretty creative. Um, so he's gonna be. So
Speaker 1: give him his quarterback. Hey, you want this guy, go
Speaker 1: take him now, Rosen? What do you do with Rosen?
Speaker 1: That's really the question, okay, because if you give him
Speaker 1: away for a third Rosen may be a bust. But
Speaker 1: Rosen may wake up someday, allow his talented surface through coaching,
Speaker 1: slash work ethic and become a great quarterback. He has
Speaker 1: the ability to be a quarter He's got great skills. Um,
Speaker 1: if you keep him and he beats out Murray. Okay,
Speaker 1: now Mary says, you know, I got that baseball over here.
Speaker 1: I think it will take a walk to the baseball
Speaker 1: because he can do that. Um. If Rosen doesn't beat
Speaker 1: him out, well, then you gotta hell of a quarterback
Speaker 1: and Murray. So it's it's it's not a simple answer.
Speaker 1: I would not give away Rosen for nothing. That's I
Speaker 1: guess where I would start right hold on to him
Speaker 1: and see what see see what you can get when
Speaker 1: you're when you're about to do that hit on on
Speaker 1: up to the minute, Charlie, are you kind of thinking
Speaker 1: in the back of your head like, oh yeah, ESPN producers,
Speaker 1: you better flesh out your a block tomorrow because Cassardley
Speaker 1: is about to break some news. This bomb is gonna
Speaker 1: drop all over the NFL. Are you getting fired up?
Speaker 1: I I I don't think of things, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, I'm a little naive, but I didn't realize
Speaker 1: that would get that much polishit because of this. Hey,
Speaker 1: guy had to interview I don't know Wednesday or something
Speaker 1: on Thursday. Let me say this, I've seen those interviews
Speaker 1: get go out The next day. I was a little
Speaker 1: surprised that nobody put anything out and I thought, and
Speaker 1: I didn't asked about Carl, I asked about the four
Speaker 1: top quarterbacks. Give me all the four top quarterbacks, okay,
Speaker 1: from multiple teams, and his was the one that was
Speaker 1: over here. The others were all pretty much in the
Speaker 1: positive side without any real issues. So hey, here's what
Speaker 1: it is. So anyway, what is uh move that you've
Speaker 1: seen in the last two days that kind of jumps
Speaker 1: out to you as a home run move for a team? Well, uh,
Speaker 1: Minnesota stealing by Anthony bar Back. Really, I hate to
Speaker 1: say that, so and I've I've been I don't know
Speaker 1: if I've ever was anyone one like that, But let
Speaker 1: me say this. You're you're gonna strangle somebody when you
Speaker 1: when you when you lose one like that, say hey,
Speaker 1: you great to this deal. Uh you know Mosley obviously
Speaker 1: get getting a twenty six year old or whatever he
Speaker 1: is in free agency. That's a pro bowler. That's what
Speaker 1: you're trying to get. That's what you're trying to get.
Speaker 1: So you know that one I marked down some things
Speaker 1: I did something with with Taylor uh Scotty for her
Speaker 1: Instagram they're just plugging that for her on that. But
Speaker 1: the Browns, we talked about them improving the pass rush
Speaker 1: Olivia Vernon and Sheldon Richard and you go with Myles Garrett.
Speaker 1: Now you can only double maybe two guys, you can't
Speaker 1: double three. So all of a sudden they got three
Speaker 1: pass rushes, which is pretty good. So, uh, that was
Speaker 1: one team man in your past um in the front office,
Speaker 1: did you ever have an Anthony Barr type situation where
Speaker 1: you kind of it was a handshake deal or an
Speaker 1: agreement in place and you kind of got whacked in
Speaker 1: the end because it feels like something that would stick
Speaker 1: with you. Well, you you'd have some uh that are
Speaker 1: called like college free agents or some things that are
Speaker 1: maybe below the radar and stuff like that. Nothing is
Speaker 1: high profiles as Anthony Barr. What do you think about
Speaker 1: the Jets in general? Like, uh, you know, I know
Speaker 1: you have a you have a past history with Mike mccagnan,
Speaker 1: their general manager. You work together, you know him, Like
Speaker 1: what are you kind of looking at where he's at
Speaker 1: and his in his time with the Jets. And then
Speaker 1: obviously a very aggressive off season so far, even though
Speaker 1: you know Barr ended up going back. They have added
Speaker 1: a number of starters. Yeah, you know when he went
Speaker 1: in there, Uh, and I think they did the right thing.
Speaker 1: They went for like a two year plan to win
Speaker 1: right now without sacrificing the future as far as draft
Speaker 1: choices or cap room to establish uh some validity in
Speaker 1: the market because it was really down at that point
Speaker 1: and they almost pulled off the playoffs that first year.
Speaker 1: Then getting Donald was was brilliant because he was aggressive
Speaker 1: trading up early to get in a position. Unfortunately he
Speaker 1: got done. Otherwise he would have gotten you know, Mayfield
Speaker 1: maybe okay, so, but they would have gotten a quarterback.
Speaker 1: So they've got that. Uh, they're being aggressive in free agency.
Speaker 1: The Bar one really hurts him. I thinking losing him
Speaker 1: because if they got Bar that means on their first
Speaker 1: pick they get a pass rushing They have two bookends,
Speaker 1: which they have not had in a thousand years. That's right,
Speaker 1: So that that that one hurt. But we'll see how
Speaker 1: they rebound in this. But they're off to a good start. Uh.
Speaker 1: They've got to have a good draft. But you know,
Speaker 1: he's hit on the high picks. You gotta do a
Speaker 1: better job in that middle round part. I'm nervous Charlie,
Speaker 1: I'm nervous. I wanted that center. Matt Paradise. He's going
Speaker 1: to Carolina. The Jets, I'm a Jets finch. They need
Speaker 1: to get they need to do some more work. But
Speaker 1: I like to bar Thing hurts them because it took
Speaker 1: him out of the market in a critical time when
Speaker 1: they could have been negotiating for other players. That that's
Speaker 1: where it hurt him. One of my pet peeves Charlie
Speaker 1: is bring in and only one. Yes, this is my
Speaker 1: major pet pieces. Struggling franchises, you often see them bringing
Speaker 1: a new defensive coordinator, change the personnel, change the scheme.
Speaker 1: Then that defensive coordinators out after two years, you change
Speaker 1: your whole scheme, traded away. So when I look at
Speaker 1: Anthony Barr and Greg will Greg Williams is notorious for this.
Speaker 1: He only lasts a couple of years no matter where
Speaker 1: he goes gets rid of everybody who was on the
Speaker 1: defense before it brings in these guys. Is this a
Speaker 1: necessary evil or is it something where maybe he should
Speaker 1: be adopting to the talent that's already there. You should
Speaker 1: take the talents it's already there and work with it.
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing would bothers me about Greg Williams.
Speaker 1: He's a fourth three guy. This is thirty four team now.
Speaker 1: He he said, he's got thirty seven defenses or something
Speaker 1: like that. The guy is creative. The players play hard
Speaker 1: for them. They'll Bob Offers, I've got more defenses than
Speaker 1: job Offers coming out of his ears. The players will
Speaker 1: buy into him and they'll play hard for him. And
Speaker 1: and I give him credit for that, but I'm not
Speaker 1: so sure I want to see him coach with thirty
Speaker 1: four defense. He's a four three guy. If you haven't
Speaker 1: got to go to the fourth three, to the fourth three,
Speaker 1: um and then you Sometimes the coach has to adjust
Speaker 1: to the players absolutely. And here's the thing. When you
Speaker 1: take over a team, not every player is bad, all right,
Speaker 1: And when you take over an organization, not everybody in
Speaker 1: the organization is bad. So throwing everybody out, I've seen
Speaker 1: people do that. That's an ego thing. That's not the
Speaker 1: right way to do it. Like the Raiders have been
Speaker 1: doing that a little bit over the last year in
Speaker 1: terms of getting rid of players. The first conversation, here's
Speaker 1: the thing with grutency. He worked here one spring and
Speaker 1: I said to him on day said John, did you
Speaker 1: have a hundred man roster when you coached? You love
Speaker 1: everybody and then you fire on the borrow. Okay, Greg's
Speaker 1: been saying that for fifteen years now, Here's one I
Speaker 1: haven't said. Was his response, He had none. So he's
Speaker 1: no longer on your list of sources. Yeah, I want
Speaker 1: to see that he's he was never a source. He
Speaker 1: was never I want to say the guys that that Charlie,
Speaker 1: that we're on the source list, that they fell out, Like,
Speaker 1: how long is this list? Is a hundreds and hundreds
Speaker 1: of executives and agents and people throughout the league. Who's
Speaker 1: on the dead list. Let's dig into that. Hey, they're
Speaker 1: they're going or not anymore? So we don't want to exist.
Speaker 1: And if we asked something like that again, we might
Speaker 1: be on the debt. No, you're you're over on this
Speaker 1: list over here, So anyway you're you're you're on the
Speaker 1: good list. God got to be on the right list
Speaker 1: of Charlie. By the way, Charlie, as you're hearing right now,
Speaker 1: everyone the listeners, straight shooter, the straightest shooter in the game.
Speaker 1: Listen to what he has to say. And he's all
Speaker 1: over NFL Network right now. All over it, cast and
Speaker 1: we're going over to the boardroom next to Okay, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Ian w we hit you on in between
Speaker 1: quarters here, I know, and we we really appreciate. We
Speaker 1: know you're a busy man. Check out Charlie on NFL
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Speaker 1: that's l e y. He mixes it up, holling him
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Castle has a strong Instagram game and could
Speaker 1: be teaching Taylor and other people some lessons so astutely
Speaker 1: on the graam get your national news there. Alright, alright,
Speaker 1: there we go, Charlie Castley back to the grind, Thank
Speaker 1: you sir, and off he goes and we continue on
Speaker 1: love Charlie castroin Teddy Bridgewater. He's sticking around boys, staying
Speaker 1: with the Saints, uh deciding it's better to uh stay
Speaker 1: as the understudy to a forty year old Drew Brees
Speaker 1: rather than perhaps go to the Dolphins, who, according to
Speaker 1: NFL Networks, Jane Slater had a bigger offer uh than
Speaker 1: with the Saints. We're willing to give him, but still
Speaker 1: he decided to stay with the team. Mark Uh in
Speaker 1: New Orleans. That's in a Super Bowl window uh, and
Speaker 1: I guess Mark, and we've been talking about this for
Speaker 1: a long time. It didn't help Teddy that the timing
Speaker 1: was terrible when he finally at the free agent as
Speaker 1: a healthy quarterback. No, I thought, you know, Charlie mentioned
Speaker 1: what he thought were some of the more interesting decisions
Speaker 1: and free agent transaccdent. This was one to me because
Speaker 1: you don't often see a quarterback, uh, you know, put
Speaker 1: off the idea of becoming a starter somewhere that it
Speaker 1: sounds like they still want to release Ryan Tannehill. You're
Speaker 1: stepping into a starting role under a new coach um,
Speaker 1: and you go back to what maybe career wise, if
Speaker 1: if Drew Brees has one more season, let's say, then
Speaker 1: you'd step in next season on a much a team
Speaker 1: with a much stronger base, a stronger coaching staff from
Speaker 1: what we know today, and a better chance to step
Speaker 1: into like a consistent spot. So I don't hate the
Speaker 1: decision for Teddy Bridgewater. I just find it a bit
Speaker 1: unusual to step away from more money and a chance
Speaker 1: to start. Well, I want to see the money, they're not.
Speaker 1: None of the money's out. Well, how about the chance
Speaker 1: to start as an NFL quarterback? Don't with that. You
Speaker 1: don't think that matters. I'm I'm guessing it doesn't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I think he's getting a backup contract in either place.
Speaker 1: When they don't show you the money at first, it's
Speaker 1: because it's not a very good contract, because no one's
Speaker 1: proud of it. The agent is not proud of it.
Speaker 1: They're not trying to use it for advertising. If I
Speaker 1: have to guess, I would guess he's getting paid to
Speaker 1: be a backup in New Orleans, and he was gonna
Speaker 1: get paid to be a backup, but a little more
Speaker 1: in in Miami. Maybe that's five million from the Saints,
Speaker 1: and it would have been six or seven from Miami
Speaker 1: if it's anywhere close, and you had nothing close to
Speaker 1: a guarantee or even a likelihood of starting in Miami.
Speaker 1: I mean, New Orleans is a no brainer. It's a
Speaker 1: great decision, a calculated risk with foresight to stay with
Speaker 1: Sean Payton, to stay with the talent that they have
Speaker 1: on that offense, especially the offensive line. Can anyone name
Speaker 1: more than one Miami Dolphins offensive lineman right now? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like you're going you would be going to a troubled,
Speaker 1: potentially organization. You're a sacrificial lamb in Miami. The only
Speaker 1: thing I would say about Teddy Bridgewater is that you're
Speaker 1: definitely one of those quarterbacks that needs to put tape
Speaker 1: out there sooner than later. You're gonna wait two more
Speaker 1: years of what maybe taking fifteen snaps over the next
Speaker 1: two years. And he's twenty six years old. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's not a He's not like the old guy. He
Speaker 1: fetched the third round pick. The Jets signed him to
Speaker 1: the bargain basement deal last year and then moved him
Speaker 1: flipped him to the Saints, uh for a third round pick.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm still surprised that his value remains depressed.
Speaker 1: It didn't help again that the market was small, but
Speaker 1: and I think that was the main thing. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just a guy that has had a star cross
Speaker 1: career both physically. Now he has a chance maybe to
Speaker 1: hit the market and be ready to go. And again
Speaker 1: he's he decides, and I agree with West ultimately not
Speaker 1: a bad decision because who knows how much longer Drew
Speaker 1: Brees is there or it could be a place for
Speaker 1: three more years and he this contract comes and goes
Speaker 1: and he hasn't done anything but here here's my thing.
Speaker 1: If any team wanted him to be a starting quarterback,
Speaker 1: he would be on that team. But no teams did.
Speaker 1: I mean from everything we're hearing that he was gonna
Speaker 1: get a chance to compete to start, possibly with two
Speaker 1: other people, and he was getting a backup contract. That
Speaker 1: is not that is not necessarily uh saying hey we
Speaker 1: want you to start, Like, hey, we're gonna pay you
Speaker 1: even fifteen million dollars, eighteen million dollars. I think if
Speaker 1: he had that offer, would have taken it. And that's fine,
Speaker 1: and and now he's smart. Well, no, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be labor it. But I guess the one thing
Speaker 1: for me is, like we're talking about the mentality of
Speaker 1: an NFL quarterback. It's not just simply about money. What
Speaker 1: you are also telling people, I'd rather be a backup
Speaker 1: than compete for a starting job in the NFL. I
Speaker 1: don't care what team it is, like you had quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks with quarterbacks without options typically wind up going
Speaker 1: to bad teams. But a lot of people are miserable
Speaker 1: in miserable situations, and Miami certainly looks like manager at IBM.
Speaker 1: This is a people to find their happiness in happy situations.
Speaker 1: That sounds it sounds like they're interested in Tyrod Taylor.
Speaker 1: I just have the feeling that they want to draft
Speaker 1: someone that it was at best going to be a
Speaker 1: situation like the Jets, where very well they might end
Speaker 1: up drafting a guy in the top five. They might
Speaker 1: move up to take one, and you're battling against another veteran,
Speaker 1: and the risk of that happening I think would be
Speaker 1: too much to to leave New Orleans for Let's move on,
Speaker 1: Honey Badger has a new home. He's on his third
Speaker 1: team now because he agrees to a three year, forty
Speaker 1: two million dollar contract UH with the Kansas City Chiefs
Speaker 1: before West free agency window opened. UH, he tweeted out
Speaker 1: the money is great, but rings are better. Well, he
Speaker 1: just went to a team that a lot of people
Speaker 1: installs the AFC favorite good fit. I think it's a
Speaker 1: very good fit for a secondary that, for parts of
Speaker 1: the season last year was I thought the worst in
Speaker 1: the NFL. And I don't think they can count on
Speaker 1: Eric Berry to ever be close to what Eric Berry
Speaker 1: was in the past, and now he looks like he
Speaker 1: might be a candidate for release. Tyrann Matthew was out
Speaker 1: of a position on a few plays last year with
Speaker 1: some miscommunication, but I thought physically he was back to
Speaker 1: almost where he was before the second of his A
Speaker 1: c L injuries. He's one of the big winners in
Speaker 1: free agency. I think Houston was. It sounds like they
Speaker 1: were in on Matthew to the very end that that
Speaker 1: that his price was, you know, ten eleven million dollars
Speaker 1: from Houston, and you know per season didn't take it
Speaker 1: right away. Once the Land and Collins contract drop. Ian
Speaker 1: Rappaport believes the price for Matthew went up and then
Speaker 1: these two teams are bidding against each other in Houston
Speaker 1: was was pretty disappointed that they ended up losing him.
Speaker 1: He gets fourteen a year just three years after he
Speaker 1: tears his A c L for a second time. Like
Speaker 1: he is a great example of a prove it contract
Speaker 1: working out absolutely perfect for him. I don't think the
Speaker 1: Texans necessarily came that close to the final offer. They
Speaker 1: talked about it being like nine point five to ten
Speaker 1: million per year as a backup offer and a fallback.
Speaker 1: The Texans go and get to Sean Gibson who was
Speaker 1: let go by the Jaguars, but he will I guess
Speaker 1: helped to alleviate some of the sting of losing Honey Badger.
Speaker 1: But yes, it's it's would not be surprised if the
Speaker 1: Texans are very disappointed right now how this all turned out.
Speaker 1: They also signed Bradley Roby at cornerback. Yeah, they mean
Speaker 1: they've They've essentially got a brand new secondary so Gibson.
Speaker 1: It's like everyone who needs a safety can get one
Speaker 1: this offseason. Gibson is a a cheap and night like
Speaker 1: there's more starters available at safety than any other position. Roby,
Speaker 1: to me, was a great signing, very similar to the
Speaker 1: Tyrone Matthew signing from a year ago, where you're getting
Speaker 1: a guy kind of at his value low, but if
Speaker 1: you want to keep him, it's tricky. Like the Matthew
Speaker 1: thing worked out for the Texans and that you got
Speaker 1: him for a year, but ultimately they weren't aggressive enough
Speaker 1: and and they only got that one year out of him.
Speaker 1: You could see that happening with with Roby too, because
Speaker 1: he's that kind of talent. Uh. Let's move on to
Speaker 1: the Broncos. They're making moves. Juan James and Kareem Jackson
Speaker 1: both join joined the Fray greg John Elway spending some money.
Speaker 1: Your thoughts. I mean, I kept seeing Juwan James is
Speaker 1: now the highest paid right tackle in in the league,
Speaker 1: you know, by a good amount, which is something we
Speaker 1: we talked about a couple of weeks ago on this
Speaker 1: podcast that that's gonna happen because I think people see
Speaker 1: him and they think he's a slightly above average starter
Speaker 1: and he's available. He might not be the highest paid
Speaker 1: rat tackle because I have a feeling Trent Brown's gonna
Speaker 1: play right tackle for the Raiders. It sounds like he'll
Speaker 1: be paid even more. But that is just a ton
Speaker 1: of money at a position. They've spent tons and tons
Speaker 1: and tons of money on their offensive line and none
Speaker 1: of it has worked. So I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know why I have faith that it's going to work.
Speaker 1: Now they have something for him, because there were trade
Speaker 1: rumors bubbling up a year ago about the Broncos chasing
Speaker 1: after James. Well his he had one of the assistants
Speaker 1: there was was with him in Miami. The assistant offensive
Speaker 1: line coach was with him in Miami for three years,
Speaker 1: and I guess was a big fan. They say one
Speaker 1: of the rules for being a general manager at free
Speaker 1: agency time is don't go sign a player just because
Speaker 1: he had the best game of the year against you.
Speaker 1: Kareem Jackson against the Broncos last year had the best
Speaker 1: game I saw by any cornerback in the league, and
Speaker 1: one of the best tackling and hitting games I've ever
Speaker 1: seen by a cornerman. Talking up that game like watch it,
Speaker 1: watch it on game pass. It is one of the
Speaker 1: best cornerback games I've ever seen. He just would the
Speaker 1: entire game on Broncos receivers, tight ends, what have you.
Speaker 1: The Raiders they're kind of a weird just I know,
Speaker 1: we don't want to the labor, but they're kind of
Speaker 1: They remind me of the Raiders where they just keep
Speaker 1: like changing their plan every year. You trade to keep
Speaker 1: to leave in theory because he cost too much money,
Speaker 1: and then you signed Cream Jackson a year later for
Speaker 1: as much or more money. The Raiders keep on spending money.
Speaker 1: The Rams decided they didn't want to pay LaMarcus Joiner anymore.
Speaker 1: They let him test the market, and Oakland swoops in
Speaker 1: and gives the Safety a four year, forty two million
Speaker 1: dollar deal. We like this one well. I think it
Speaker 1: adds speed to a secondary that desperately needed it after
Speaker 1: playing guys like Reggie Nelson and Leon Hall and Karl
Speaker 1: Joseph at safety the last few years. I mean Leon
Speaker 1: Hall and Reggie Nelson both in their mid thirties. So
Speaker 1: getting the young legs back there, I think that's a
Speaker 1: good signing. They are one of the teams that is
Speaker 1: not going after major pass rushing help and they're just
Speaker 1: sitting in the draft where they can do that. But
Speaker 1: what do they have thirteen sacks last year or something
Speaker 1: like an astonishing league low that was like vastly behind
Speaker 1: number team number thirty one. I mean, how about LaMarcus Joiner.
Speaker 1: I mean, the only real memorable moment, or at least
Speaker 1: one of the only ones from Hard Knocks is when
Speaker 1: he walked in and said he'd tell Jeff Fisher he'd
Speaker 1: go work at Walmart if he uh, if he didn't
Speaker 1: get put in a better position. You remember that, he
Speaker 1: was like, I'll work at Walmart. It's fine, Like he
Speaker 1: was ready to retire now here. I think he was lying,
Speaker 1: he doesn't need to worry. He go bio bio Walmart.
Speaker 1: Right now, that's the shortest safety tandem maybe in NFL history,
Speaker 1: And he's five eight and Karl Joseph's went five Night,
Speaker 1: five nine and just throw some jump balls up there
Speaker 1: on the old Raiders. Hey, Mark, the Colts had more
Speaker 1: money than anyone, but they're not spending a lot. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's Chris Ballard, that's his move. He doesn't want to
Speaker 1: invest heavily in free agency, and that's fine. We won't
Speaker 1: judge him. He did make a move though, on Tuesday, though,
Speaker 1: agreeing to terms with Devin Funches, formerly of the Panthers,
Speaker 1: a one year deal max value of thirteen million. I
Speaker 1: don't know what do you think about this one? This
Speaker 1: one kind of threw me a little bit. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a I don't think it solves all their issues.
Speaker 1: And but for me, the one thing about I'm seeing
Speaker 1: it out there that that it does solve all their issues, well,
Speaker 1: then they're they're great. But Chris Ballard like said it
Speaker 1: over and over at the Combine, like, and it was
Speaker 1: in regards to Levan Bell or Antonio Brennan's like, we're
Speaker 1: not going to chase after people that don't fit what
Speaker 1: we're doing here. And and then it's sort of says like, well,
Speaker 1: obviously the cults have all this cat money, so they're
Speaker 1: gonna surprise us and go make all these signings and
Speaker 1: they've done none of that. So maybe they'll be one
Speaker 1: of the smarter teams where now that all the headlines
Speaker 1: die down and people chill out, they start adding Chris
Speaker 1: Ballard type pieces that are different. Has financial started technically
Speaker 1: for you know, for for what it's worth. So they
Speaker 1: might end up being very active. But you're right, they're
Speaker 1: going to be that team that kind of waits for bargains.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I like that. If I were
Speaker 1: a Cults fan, I would like that. Ten million dollars
Speaker 1: is not a bargain, but it's a one year country,
Speaker 1: it's a ten million based salary, gives them some physicality,
Speaker 1: and I kind of try. I trust their coaching staff
Speaker 1: to figure it out. Well, this is all about timing.
Speaker 1: He had a horrible last year last year, did not
Speaker 1: catch the ball well, did not win at the catchpoint
Speaker 1: well for a guy who's six thirty. But I thought
Speaker 1: he played really well the year before two thousand seven.
Speaker 1: Team was a good year. So if he had made
Speaker 1: free agency the year before, I think he would have
Speaker 1: cashed it. There was a time when Ron Rivera called him.
Speaker 1: Other coaches too that he was the most promising player
Speaker 1: on the entire Panthers offense. It just feels like a
Speaker 1: long time ago. The Bills made a play for Antonio Brown,
Speaker 1: UH kicked the tires. Maybe deal almost got done, maybe
Speaker 1: it didn't, but they were undaunted either way, and they've
Speaker 1: been very busy. The Buffalo Bills UH signed UH slot
Speaker 1: receiver Cole Beasley. They also got John Brown, They got
Speaker 1: Smokey to add to UH the weapons around Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: the second year quarterback, and then they go out and
Speaker 1: get Mitch Morris, who was one of the top centers
Speaker 1: on the market. Tyler Croft also added to the mix.
Speaker 1: That's a lot. And don't forget Greg your boy, Frank Gore,
Speaker 1: oh so tie and Secky tie and Secky swing tackles
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Let's get to Gore in a second,
Speaker 1: but let's start. We had the receivers in there too, right,
Speaker 1: I mean John Brown, John jo They have been This
Speaker 1: is a team that is making a move. They're trying
Speaker 1: to get respectable and just like down in the meadow Lands,
Speaker 1: they they're trying to build around Donald Alan deserves a
Speaker 1: shot too to have some weapons around him. Mark and
Speaker 1: and now they do. I mean the Bills needed everything
Speaker 1: on office, like everything, and so you have to be aggressive.
Speaker 1: This is one team that, yeah, you can say like,
Speaker 1: let's not you know, go crazy and free agency and
Speaker 1: build the way the Patriots do, but you almost have
Speaker 1: to wonder who would still be there a year from
Speaker 1: now at that offense didn't progress and you've got a
Speaker 1: second year quarterback. I like the John Brown signing um
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley to me, I think these guys made some
Speaker 1: cash here, but they needed everything. They haven't. They're not
Speaker 1: in a great position to to wait for the draft
Speaker 1: at all. They needed like NFL receivers, and so John
Speaker 1: Brown's a risk. But if anyone can go run down,
Speaker 1: I mean, just because of his health and his injuries,
Speaker 1: yeah absolutely. I mean he's he's been in the NFL
Speaker 1: what five six years, He's been productive two of them.
Speaker 1: So I think he's a risk, but it's a risk
Speaker 1: we're taking him. If anyone can, you know, track down
Speaker 1: a ninety seven yard throw, Josh Allen, it's Johnny Brown.
Speaker 1: I like the I like the idea of that combination,
Speaker 1: and he did enough. Essentially the way it worked out
Speaker 1: for Brown, he had the sickle cell issue in Arizona
Speaker 1: and that and then he couldn't stay in the field,
Speaker 1: wasn't effective, and then after eight weeks or so, he
Speaker 1: was having a Pro Bowl type season with Joe Flacco
Speaker 1: last year, and that all wiped away once Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: took over. But I guess the Bills and I imagine
Speaker 1: other teams saw enough alright, So he stayed healthy all year,
Speaker 1: and he showed with a quarterback that could sling it,
Speaker 1: he could put up numbers were sold. I like the
Speaker 1: Bill signing. There nothing they do really makes off season news.
Speaker 1: So last year when their GM, Billy not Brandon Bean said, look,
Speaker 1: we gotta take a one year penalty on the cap.
Speaker 1: We got a mortgage our future. We were not going
Speaker 1: to be that competitive this year. We're rebuilding. They're out
Speaker 1: of they're out of cap jail now and they're they're
Speaker 1: making a better team. I I kind of like what
Speaker 1: the Bills are doing. And I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: these are major names splashes people. Cole Beasley isn't gonna
Speaker 1: move uh units, but he's really friendly for the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, now that's good, but but it does And
Speaker 1: I saw there was an article I think on s
Speaker 1: I today talking about where players like to go. It
Speaker 1: is money, and these guys are all coming to Buffalo
Speaker 1: because Buffalo is paying him. That Tyler Croft is ken
Speaker 1: wherever you're paying him whatever they paid him, which was
Speaker 1: a lot eighteen million dollars. That was one of the
Speaker 1: more surprising ones. I mean, Mitch Morris right now is
Speaker 1: I think just about the highest paid center in the
Speaker 1: league for a very average you know center. So like,
Speaker 1: that's generally not how you get ahead long term, and
Speaker 1: a lot of those type of offensive line contracts have
Speaker 1: not necessarily worked out unless you have the the system
Speaker 1: and the players around around them to make well. What's
Speaker 1: also expensive is Josh Allen getting taken out in week
Speaker 1: four right up the middle of the line because you
Speaker 1: have no center the way they were last year. Uh
Speaker 1: and Greg, Yes, let's touch down the inconvenient career finale.
Speaker 1: Well it might not. We've we've thought that it would
Speaker 1: be a finale for the last couple of years. And
Speaker 1: he keeps going and he needs about six hundred more
Speaker 1: yards I think to go up to number three is
Speaker 1: it all times? So that's gonna be to fi Lashawn
Speaker 1: McCoy's backup. I hate him being in Buffalo because the
Speaker 1: Miami was such a perfect last spot. Do you want
Speaker 1: him to be with a contender but he's still playing
Speaker 1: pretty well? Say he's a thirty four year old running
Speaker 1: back who's still getting signed before free agency even started.
Speaker 1: St to flip side, Greg and I would never judge
Speaker 1: a man for getting an offer and jumping at it,
Speaker 1: But I will question a little bit the idea of
Speaker 1: jumping at the first offer he got as opposed to
Speaker 1: maybe finding a place that could use him and he'd
Speaker 1: still get some carries, but also maybe not in the
Speaker 1: season with a rebuilding and his career with a rebuilding team.
Speaker 1: I mean he's had the same agent his whole career. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's not true actually, but Drew rosen Uss is now.
Speaker 1: I think he had a sense of the market. He's
Speaker 1: at the stage of his career. You have to take
Speaker 1: the offer that you get. There's no guarantee that that
Speaker 1: he was going to get multiple offers. I'm sure. I'm
Speaker 1: sure he from the sound of it, he wanted to
Speaker 1: go back to the forty niners. That wasn't happening, and
Speaker 1: you take a weight and get uh. Since we brought
Speaker 1: up another guy from the U let's shot. I mean
Speaker 1: that's they have three guys over thirty in their backfield,
Speaker 1: Ivory McCoy and so I was still gonna be there.
Speaker 1: Probably they cut Chris Ivory since we brought up Mitch Morris,
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the other big center on the market.
Speaker 1: The Panthers agreed to terms with Matt Pardis, formerly of
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos, a three year, twenty seven million dollar
Speaker 1: packed This one does the Jets fans stings a little
Speaker 1: bit because I I really wanted to uh New York
Speaker 1: to grab Paradis and Carolina made the move though. They
Speaker 1: got it done. So you add a very steady player
Speaker 1: to the center of her line. He's coming off a
Speaker 1: serious leg injury that ended last and his UH two
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen season prematurely, but he's said to be ready
Speaker 1: uh to play by June. So that's a nice pickup
Speaker 1: by the Panthers. They had really seen an exodus of
Speaker 1: players over the past two months on that roster. It's
Speaker 1: nice to see them add one for once, and they
Speaker 1: had some work to do on this offensive line. They
Speaker 1: still have work to do it left tackle, so maybe
Speaker 1: they'll address that in the draft. It was weird how
Speaker 1: dismissive John Elway was about Matt Paradis when asked. It's
Speaker 1: like the one good offensive market they've they've found over
Speaker 1: the last few years, and he just like seemed totally
Speaker 1: uninterested in resigning him. And maybe it's the broken leg. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Mark Brown's news Sheldon Richardson, an old New York Jets
Speaker 1: bounced around looking for another multi year contract. Well he
Speaker 1: got it, a three year, thirty six million dollar deal,
Speaker 1: uh with the Browns. The Browns who also got Olivier
Speaker 1: Vernon in the building via trade last week. Of course,
Speaker 1: Myles Garrett on that line. We touched on it with Charlie.
Speaker 1: You like this one? I do? I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think they're spending completely unwisely in free agency. And you
Speaker 1: have Vernon, Garrett, Sheldon Richardson and Larry Ogunjobi who you
Speaker 1: put them along with Gerard Avery. That's a pass rush.
Speaker 1: And they they still struggled last year. I think they
Speaker 1: were twenty one or twenty two in sacks. There was
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. There were moments where I thought
Speaker 1: Cleveland could have ended a couple of close games that
Speaker 1: they were in that they lost because they couldn't quite
Speaker 1: get to the quarterback. This will help with that. I
Speaker 1: think that Richardson and up is an upgrade over Trevin Coley.
Speaker 1: And you know he I know he's been he's bounced around.
Speaker 1: I guess there we've heard enough about him to know
Speaker 1: that there's stuff going on behind the scenes at times.
Speaker 1: But I don't have a problem with this signing for Cleveland.
Speaker 1: It kind of surprised me, just because it's hard to
Speaker 1: know who's on anyone's radar. But it's not someone I
Speaker 1: ever would have imagined in a Browns uniform. I guess
Speaker 1: if you get two good years out of him, it's
Speaker 1: a win. There aren't many better defensive lines in the
Speaker 1: NFL on paper, at least. I mean, we have to
Speaker 1: see how the new defensive coordinator uh uses Richardson and Vernon.
Speaker 1: But Larry Ogunjobi had a really good Yes, you're right,
Speaker 1: that's one of the best defensive lines in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Richardson had been on this these one year deals because
Speaker 1: they team style was how to keep motivated. He started
Speaker 1: off like an All Pro, definitely faded pretty hard by
Speaker 1: the end of the year. So there's a concern how
Speaker 1: many snaps do you use him? But I think it's fine.
Speaker 1: Just use him for well, and they can use the draft.
Speaker 1: They can go with their first they have ten picks
Speaker 1: again and you don't have to reach for someone or
Speaker 1: a certain position. It's a two year deal. It's to
Speaker 1: anyone guaranteed in the two years, so it's I mean,
Speaker 1: it is a three year deal, but like all these deals,
Speaker 1: it's really a two year deal that they're making it.
Speaker 1: And Sheldon Richardson often does not stick around for more
Speaker 1: than one so well, and what ended his jet career
Speaker 1: was off the field issues and being a knucklehead, and
Speaker 1: we haven't really heard anything in the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: so maybe he has a straightened himself out, in which
Speaker 1: case that feels like a great signing. The Titans make
Speaker 1: a move uh to fortify their interior line. Roger Staffold
Speaker 1: leaves the Rams and agrees to terms with the Tytoons
Speaker 1: on a four year, forty four million dollar deal and
Speaker 1: includes twenty two and a half million guaranteed. Uh. Where
Speaker 1: did he fall? Greg? He was pretty high in the
Speaker 1: top one oh one and one of the top ranked aligneman.
Speaker 1: I I assume I love what the Titans are doing.
Speaker 1: Adam Humphreys in the slot Roger Staffold two positions of
Speaker 1: need and that offensive line has been too inconsistent. Roger Saffold.
Speaker 1: You know that Rams offensive line, especially earlyier in the year,
Speaker 1: really paved some huge holds for Todd Gurley. I love
Speaker 1: this Compared to the other Guard signings, he seems like
Speaker 1: a relative bargain, like guys who seemed much worse than him,
Speaker 1: like Billy Turner or whatever getting almost as much you know,
Speaker 1: guaranteed money or Mitch More you know, you know, Saffold
Speaker 1: seems like a very safe bet. Billy Turners contract has
Speaker 1: like a retired lineman doing exercises in the room. Just
Speaker 1: same thing. Get ready to go back? Uh, let's move on? Hey? Uh?
Speaker 1: Tell Suggs leaves the Ravens after a million years. Thomas
Speaker 1: Davis also moving west. Fourteen years with the Panthers, he
Speaker 1: signs a two year, twenty and a half million dollar
Speaker 1: deal with the Los Angeles Chargers. Uh. What's left in
Speaker 1: the tank of Thomas Davis West at this point in
Speaker 1: his career. I think he lost a step last year
Speaker 1: but was still playing. I mean, he wasn't a guy
Speaker 1: you had to hide. It's just that he's not. He
Speaker 1: and Keithley weren't what they were five years ago. But
Speaker 1: it does make me wonder how different the charges defense
Speaker 1: will be this year. Whereas last year, out of necessity,
Speaker 1: they played so much dime defense and they pay a
Speaker 1: lot of safeties at linebacker. It looks like they're going
Speaker 1: more tradition all this year. I want to see like
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars for this is the most surprising contract
Speaker 1: we've seen. I want to see that. It feels like
Speaker 1: it's almost phony, Like, how could Thomas Davis be making
Speaker 1: ten million dollars a year at this stage? I am,
Speaker 1: I I kind of don't believe it. I suspect it's
Speaker 1: more like a one year six or seven million dollar
Speaker 1: and even that's a lot for a linebacker of that age.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Davis family hopes it's not totally phonny.
Speaker 1: There's also talked that they're they're going after Earl Thomas.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's like an NFL Man of the Year.
Speaker 1: You know, he's about as like well respected a guy
Speaker 1: as there is in the NFL, and I think that
Speaker 1: that certainly has some premium. But he all right, mark
Speaker 1: your boy, mark Ingram, but dog Mark wouldn't see he's
Speaker 1: been replaced the New Orleans. Davis Murray agrees to a
Speaker 1: four year, fourteen point four million dollar deal UH with
Speaker 1: the Saints, so he will join Alvin Kamara and your
Speaker 1: boy mark Ingram is moving on. Take us through how
Speaker 1: you feel personally. First, it's weird because both of those
Speaker 1: guys were on that USO trip I went to, and
Speaker 1: I remember we were in Germany towards the end of
Speaker 1: the trip, and you know, you knew that Ingram was
Speaker 1: in a contract year in like and Tavius Murray likely
Speaker 1: was in his final year with the Vikings, and everyone
Speaker 1: was eating dinner and kind of talking about how cool
Speaker 1: would be if like they were a duo backfield somewhere else.
Speaker 1: This is not how I thought mark Ingram would have
Speaker 1: had this play out necessarily where his They became very
Speaker 1: good friends during it. They were super tight and one
Speaker 1: just takes the other's job. Inside story. Interesting seeing at
Speaker 1: least three Saints teammates on Twitter begging mark Ingram to
Speaker 1: come back and saying how much he means to that
Speaker 1: locker room, how much he means to their chemistry. Um,
Speaker 1: he was certainly a well liked guy in or if
Speaker 1: you're with him, a guy honestly he is there is
Speaker 1: even when with Alvin Kamaramin wanted to make initially always
Speaker 1: there some sort of rivalry here, and then they just
Speaker 1: did all their interviews together like he's loved and he
Speaker 1: is loved by those guy is and like you want
Speaker 1: to keep him around. He's been there his entire career.
Speaker 1: It sounded like he got offered something similar and thought
Speaker 1: and probably can do a little better. And so it
Speaker 1: came down to money. And Murray's really well liked and
Speaker 1: probably one of the more thoughtful. You know, he kind
Speaker 1: of has a report he always wins, like the media
Speaker 1: Good Guy Award. He's you know, just known as a
Speaker 1: thoughtful guy. So it seems like it's a nice replacement
Speaker 1: if you're gonna ever play. All right, it's um about
Speaker 1: a quarter after five Eastern time on a Tuesday as
Speaker 1: of right now, in this moment of recording. This is
Speaker 1: the big the big names who are still out there,
Speaker 1: Levan bell, Earl Thomas Justin Houston, kJ Wright and Dominican
Speaker 1: Sue haven't heard much about him. Some quiet markets. Ziggy
Speaker 1: ansa our old friend, La Sid's favorite player. Remember she
Speaker 1: banked on him leading the League of sax Ones cost
Speaker 1: her a Sandwich. Yes she needed Yeah, I think he
Speaker 1: had too that year. She's still super piste about that.
Speaker 1: Tevin Coleman feels like that. He you know, they're just
Speaker 1: waiting for for the levy On Bell signing signing. So
Speaker 1: those are some big names still out there. So while
Speaker 1: there's been a ton of work and there will be
Speaker 1: a ton more UH signings to come, some big fish
Speaker 1: still out there in the sea. I mean levy On
Speaker 1: Bell is dropping his new album at midnight tonight as
Speaker 1: free agent in theory the day that free agency starts,
Speaker 1: and that's next level. Life's a gamble, you know, check
Speaker 1: it out really or don't you don't have or don't.
Speaker 1: But it's like the the the cover is him rolling
Speaker 1: some dice. It's got four aces. It's like if he
Speaker 1: can somehow sync up this album release and that's why
Speaker 1: he's waiting to sign on Wednesday, and it's all connected
Speaker 1: in some way. I just I love it. If not
Speaker 1: as a Jets man, if you told me I had
Speaker 1: to listen to the entire levy on Bell album before
Speaker 1: he went to the Jets, I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: on the Jet. I think Kevin Colden's my running back
Speaker 1: in a couple of months. Should we put a sandwich
Speaker 1: on Earl Thomas Landing spot, You'll do that. Let's let's
Speaker 1: do it. I'll just go with the field, which would
Speaker 1: be the cow not the field. I will go with
Speaker 1: the favorite. I'm gonna go Niners because I think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys might have already found a way to do this.
Speaker 1: Although maybe this whole safety markets crazy, but Niners. This
Speaker 1: one is completely out of left field, and I'll probably
Speaker 1: be way off. The Bears are shedding salaries for for something,
Speaker 1: They're clearing some room for something, and they lost their
Speaker 1: safety Adrian Amos, No, that's not gonna happen. So they
Speaker 1: they had been going off. They had There are a
Speaker 1: lot of people well a while ago, linking them to
Speaker 1: Levy on Bell too well. They also had one of
Speaker 1: the weirdest since they came up. We haven't had a
Speaker 1: chance to say it signings in free agency, which was
Speaker 1: Mike Davis for two years six million. I guess they're
Speaker 1: gonna trade or cut Jordan Howard, but I was really
Speaker 1: surprised Mike Davis got, you know, like first day free
Speaker 1: agent money. They signed Buster Screen. I'm going the Chargers.
Speaker 1: How about Gus Bradley gets his old guy back, all right.
Speaker 1: I'm also going Chargers, all right, so we got Cowboys, Chargers,
Speaker 1: Sandwich on the line. One other name. It's been quiet
Speaker 1: the market West, Jared Cook, it has been you think
Speaker 1: would have a bigger market. And perhaps it's all being
Speaker 1: done cloak and dagger, but usually you hear. I agree.
Speaker 1: He's dropping an album too, and waiting just until a
Speaker 1: couple of hours from now to announce. It's like a
Speaker 1: Jimmy Buffett covers album. Very strange release, but he's hoping
Speaker 1: to move some units. All right, Nice work, guys. Tuesday,
Speaker 1: show in the books Tomorrow Wednesday. Another pot that is
Speaker 1: when the two thousand nineteen League year begins, so a
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff becomes official. You know, maybe some
Speaker 1: other snakes will walk out on handshake deals before before
Speaker 1: that happens. But four pm Eastern is when all this
Speaker 1: stuff gets set in stone. And I assume the next
Speaker 1: time you hear from us will be able to talk
Speaker 1: about Levy on Bell and where he is. Free Agency
Speaker 1: opens at four pm Eastern and closes at five p m.
Speaker 1: Easter and we are on a beach by Friday. All right.
Speaker 1: That's it. Stand hands is signing off four quiet storm
Speaker 1: the mail man, the old Boss kept Brown behind the glass,
Speaker 1: and thank you to Charlie Castlely squeeze as I'm saying, say,
Speaker 1: I love that guy. All right until Wednesday