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Speaker 1: Myselfie and Scotto with Kristen Beck. Because, um, if you've
Speaker 1: been listening to the show as I was, tomm Christen
Speaker 1: Jack Murphy just put out his book, Murphy's Law. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be out soon, but he opted to do the
Speaker 1: audio book and so during the morning because he's been
Speaker 1: recording that audio book, which I don't know if because
Speaker 1: you have a book out, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: ever did the audio book thing. I never did audio
Speaker 1: book because he was asking me about it and ask
Speaker 1: me how long it's gonna take. And I don't think
Speaker 1: people realize how big of a pain in the acid
Speaker 1: is to get everything perfect exactly. Probably I want to
Speaker 1: have some different voices and some sound effects on some things.
Speaker 1: All that, and then also you don't realize like when
Speaker 1: you read something that you're reading it incorrectly, you have
Speaker 1: to go back. Um anyway, getting into everything. I feel
Speaker 1: like this audience knows you former Navy seal several Seal
Speaker 1: Team retired, Navy Seal retired, Navy Seal once the Seal
Speaker 1: always retired. You gotta give me a credit. Brother. I've
Speaker 1: been told I can't say Xavy. Actually there's a few
Speaker 1: people you can probably say x Navy Seals where they're tried,
Speaker 1: and we're actually, yeah, when we're at Seal Team one,
Speaker 1: and I think Brandon was that Seal Team one. At
Speaker 1: the same time, we had a guy who left the
Speaker 1: team for a while and he was gone long enough.
Speaker 1: I think he was gone for like two years, and
Speaker 1: he came back to Seal Team one. He came back.
Speaker 1: They said, hey, you've been gone for a couple of years.
Speaker 1: You have to go back through the qualification course. It's
Speaker 1: called STT Backing all day Seal Team Tactics or Tactical training,
Speaker 1: and uh, that's the advanced skills. So you go do
Speaker 1: uh the reaching and you do a bunch of the
Speaker 1: CQB and stuff just to get you back into the group,
Speaker 1: you know. And the guy was like, well, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna do that, and he says, well, then you can
Speaker 1: do that. He can go to Rangers school. He was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to Ranger school and Uh, he said,
Speaker 1: I'm going right back into a platoon. And he's being
Speaker 1: kind of cocky about it to the mass chief and
Speaker 1: been to the CEO from what I end up going to.
Speaker 1: He took to tried it though, and he says, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to that school. And he says, I'm willing to,
Speaker 1: you know, bet might try to that. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: go there. You're gonna put me right intof platoon. And
Speaker 1: he saw you back to see you in the corner.
Speaker 1: And so the CEO took his tried and says, all right,
Speaker 1: thank you're no longer seal and opened his drawer and
Speaker 1: through this thing in a drawer and he took away
Speaker 1: his Wow, he took it away totally. So that's an
Speaker 1: ex seal. That's crazy. Isn't going to Rangers School as
Speaker 1: a seal kind of like a form of punishment. I've
Speaker 1: heard that before. Totally a punishment because there's sore to
Speaker 1: how the Rangers out there. But there's a few seals
Speaker 1: I think we have been on the show that went
Speaker 1: through Rangers. Yeah, but you never. The thing with Ranger School,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a great school. Uh, I mean college
Speaker 1: kids go there, you know. The West Pointers and it's
Speaker 1: a leadership school, so you're learning a lot of really
Speaker 1: good skills. You're learning how to run, you know, patrol
Speaker 1: tactics with a squad and a platoon. He learned a
Speaker 1: lot of really great you know, leadership and skills. And
Speaker 1: you're also starving to death pretty much every day. You're
Speaker 1: getting one one emery a day or a little bit
Speaker 1: more than that. I don't know. I know that you
Speaker 1: get starved because guys get out of there. They're just skinny,
Speaker 1: and we don't need that in the teams. You know,
Speaker 1: we don't want, you know, a skinny guy that can
Speaker 1: run twenty miles and starve, you know, because we're we're
Speaker 1: doing a I don't know. It's it's a weird comparison
Speaker 1: between seals and rangers, you know what. The mission is
Speaker 1: so different. I did because I was part of every
Speaker 1: kind well, I was part of every condo team, and
Speaker 1: when I was in Virginia Military's two, I was in
Speaker 1: a ranger for tune. So we did we mimicked a
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that was going on within Ranger School.
Speaker 1: I mean, because of the documentary that you were a
Speaker 1: part of all that, I feel like people don't even
Speaker 1: know your entire military industry, which is pretty expansive, and
Speaker 1: everybody jumps on me about all kinds of other craft
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, that's why I told you.
Speaker 1: When you call and says, hey, you want to do
Speaker 1: a show, and I was like, yeah, but don't talk
Speaker 1: about anything about Paris and anything. I'll talk about military.
Speaker 1: I'll talk I actually feel like the audience who only
Speaker 1: knows you for that stuff might not know all the
Speaker 1: things that you've done and all the Seal teams you've
Speaker 1: served with, because you've been on seal fists, right, and
Speaker 1: which I'm allowed to say, I think because I call it.
Speaker 1: I remember reading um Rob O'Neil's book, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've seen it, how Seal Team six or
Speaker 1: dev grew is blacked out in every section, which is
Speaker 1: just it's kind of silly, right because we all know
Speaker 1: what he's talking about. And uh, Jack has said this
Speaker 1: before too, and I've gotten emails. We have former Delta
Speaker 1: Force guys on the show, and people say, don't say
Speaker 1: Delta Force, say the unit. But as Jack says, whether
Speaker 1: we say the unit, everybody knows that we're talking about
Speaker 1: the unit. I'm being really sneaky. Yeah, I think you
Speaker 1: should kind of run through that for the audience of
Speaker 1: of where you started in the Seals and and all
Speaker 1: the different things that you've done. All right, well, Buds
Speaker 1: Class one seven nine. I was Fastically. I learned about
Speaker 1: the Seals kind of late because I wanted to go
Speaker 1: into the Rangers. I wanted to do Special Forces all
Speaker 1: the army stuff. But then I found out what the
Speaker 1: Seals for. This the awesome movie with Charlie Sheen, that's
Speaker 1: the same thing. Well, it was a terrible movie. I
Speaker 1: can't stand like, I'll look back at the movie now
Speaker 1: and it's just the most ridiculous movie. And the same
Speaker 1: thing with g I Jane, that's ridiculous. There's just somewhat
Speaker 1: stuff and you're like, oh my god. So I uh
Speaker 1: so I saw that movie and I was like, holy ship. There,
Speaker 1: you know, parachuting, skydive and scuba dive in they're riding
Speaker 1: around the boats and they're doing all this stuff. And
Speaker 1: I was a water person, you know, my whole life,
Speaker 1: you know, growing up around the ocean and surfing and
Speaker 1: all that, and so I was like, well, with Rangers
Speaker 1: and Special Forces, those guys don't do all this cool stuff.
Speaker 1: So I went down to the Navy recruiter and I
Speaker 1: was talking to him about it. They showed me a video,
Speaker 1: the recruiting video, which was again U D T shorts
Speaker 1: and T shirts and doing push ups and it was
Speaker 1: like a motivation video that was like it was like, man,
Speaker 1: those guys are awesome, you want to do it? And
Speaker 1: uh this was right during Desert Shield, Desert Storm and
Speaker 1: all that was going on, and so right at that point,
Speaker 1: I watched the video and I said, hey, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is what I want to do. You and the wars
Speaker 1: going on, and I'm gonna be there. So I went
Speaker 1: down to recruiting station. I already had ASSAB scores and
Speaker 1: I think I had like a ninety eight or something,
Speaker 1: so I could pretty much do whatever I wanted in
Speaker 1: that with that score. So they said, I said, I
Speaker 1: want to be a Seal. They said, well, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to go to boot camp, and then at boot
Speaker 1: camp you'll raise your hand and volunteer for because they're
Speaker 1: gonna show you the recruiting video and you just saw
Speaker 1: and then you volunteer for it. And I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, sounds good to me. So I went right
Speaker 1: into regular boot camp, and I was going in as
Speaker 1: a quartermaster and UH put my hand in. Their volunteered
Speaker 1: and there was like a hundred people volunteered and two
Speaker 1: of us actually qualified to go. And so they caught
Speaker 1: us orders right out of boot camp to go to
Speaker 1: UH our A school that we were assigned, and then
Speaker 1: after we finished the A schools, then we would go
Speaker 1: to BUDS and that's what I did. So I started
Speaker 1: Buds in UH. And so it's a while because I
Speaker 1: feel like most of the people on the show are
Speaker 1: like guys who started during the war. Entire many people
Speaker 1: come on here and say that nine eleven inspired them
Speaker 1: to join the military, but well, it was similar to
Speaker 1: me that. I mean, you know, I got inspired because
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, we're going to war, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think everybody has thought that desert shield, there's
Speaker 1: a storm. When the whole thing started really cranking up,
Speaker 1: it was gonna be a long drawn out, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot longer than what was it like ten days
Speaker 1: or something. It was really short. I'm nineteen born in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six, I do remember it was short. But yeah, six, yeah, dang, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel old sometimes, but I get
Speaker 1: but I would. I would have never guessed. Okay, that
Speaker 1: is that bad? Am I an old man? We let
Speaker 1: have beard on you and you kinda yeah, you have
Speaker 1: old soul. If I save the beer, it looked like
Speaker 1: a um and then which you served. As I said
Speaker 1: on several Siel teams which were so well, I went
Speaker 1: to Buds and I, uh, I just worked hard and stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm not the fastest swimmer runner. I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 1: the best on Oak course or all that. But tell
Speaker 1: you what. When I was going through Buds, you know,
Speaker 1: I'd finished a four mole run and we running boots
Speaker 1: into sand, you know, full cammies and boots on sand,
Speaker 1: and I was doing a four mile run in uh
Speaker 1: it's about twenty four minutes so, and that was boots
Speaker 1: and sands. So that's pretty quick. Yeah, absolutely. But the
Speaker 1: thing is I would finish that, you know, six minute
Speaker 1: miles for four miles on sand. I would finish it,
Speaker 1: and I'd be thrown up. I would could put every
Speaker 1: every ounce of everything I had into every run, into
Speaker 1: every swim and every time I did the Oak course.
Speaker 1: That's what my mindset was. I'm going to be at
Speaker 1: the top. You know, nobody's gonna ever beat me, and
Speaker 1: so I ended up graduating at the top to class
Speaker 1: from from my buds class. It seems the fastest swimmer
Speaker 1: runner or the oak course, everything I just kicked. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems like that's just the mentality of all of
Speaker 1: these guys is it's not necessarily about who's the most
Speaker 1: genetically gifted to be the best run. It's all about heart, yeah,
Speaker 1: and and mindset and and having that mental toughness. It
Speaker 1: seems like, yeah, we had an an Olympic athlete, was
Speaker 1: Olympic swimmer that was gone through buds and I didn't
Speaker 1: make it. And so you can beat Olympic caliber if
Speaker 1: you want to, and you don't have the heart, you know,
Speaker 1: you think that you're athletic proudness is going to be
Speaker 1: all you need. You're sorely mistaken, because that's that's a
Speaker 1: good part of it, but that's not all of it.
Speaker 1: And I've seen really great athletes, people are way better
Speaker 1: than me, and I would beat them all the time, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they just didn't have the heart. When when did
Speaker 1: you actually retire? In two thousand eleven, I went to
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven. That's just a little out of twenty years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just twenty years. Well as someone who the time
Speaker 1: Seal Team six, what's your take on you know, like
Speaker 1: DEV grew. Uh, you know a lot of the controversy going.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many things that we've heard about.
Speaker 1: You were in there during some of that time, I assume.
Speaker 1: Well also, I, uh, I was different. So I got
Speaker 1: recruited to go to de Gate. So I had a
Speaker 1: bunch of skills and things that they wanted. I was
Speaker 1: flying u v s and I was doing all the
Speaker 1: sneaky peeky stuff. And so when I went to DEV group,
Speaker 1: I didn't go through Green Team, so I skipped over
Speaker 1: all that stuff and I went right in and started
Speaker 1: doing doing the work. Yeah. So uh so there's a
Speaker 1: huge debate about that too. That was never part of
Speaker 1: the team, and I was like, yeah, I was. I
Speaker 1: had full orders. I was there. I was permanent station,
Speaker 1: that was my duty station, and I had my jobs
Speaker 1: and I was running tattoo surveillance stuff. And then I
Speaker 1: uh was cut over to a joint task Force for
Speaker 1: some of my skills to go help out another task
Speaker 1: force and uh to do the stuff I was doing.
Speaker 1: So I went through farm schools and all the sneaky
Speaker 1: pea stuff. So it was I had a weird career,
Speaker 1: but I was I got I got pulled in to
Speaker 1: go there and everywhere. And this goes back to what
Speaker 1: I was talking about, the buds thing that that it
Speaker 1: was all about. I just worked so hard at it
Speaker 1: and did everything I could. I wasn't the fastest doing
Speaker 1: a quick draw, and uh so I stud in front
Speaker 1: of the mirror for hours and hours every day after work,
Speaker 1: So just going through the whole day doing seal team
Speaker 1: train and doing whatever. I put my rig on, have
Speaker 1: my hole stert everything on there, and have my pistol
Speaker 1: and I would start doing fast draws and draws and
Speaker 1: just facts and doing draws. And I did for hours
Speaker 1: and hours, and then I ended up setting a record
Speaker 1: at one of those shooting schools. And I wasn't originally
Speaker 1: the fastest, but I worked so freaking hard at it,
Speaker 1: and I just drew drew drew, and I got real
Speaker 1: quick and I was just hitting the targets boom boom, boom,
Speaker 1: boo boom, and it was off on a record board.
Speaker 1: And here's are record words. This is at Shaw's. These
Speaker 1: record boards go back to the seventies and they know
Speaker 1: what they're the top ten. Some of them are from
Speaker 1: the seventies, you know, these guys that were shooting way
Speaker 1: back in the old days. So those records are long
Speaker 1: standing records that you want to get up on there
Speaker 1: if you get off the next score. And so I
Speaker 1: knocked off somebody off that top ten that might have
Speaker 1: been on there for thirty years? Is that still a record? This?
Speaker 1: I mean the words are up there forever. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's like I said, these record words go back to
Speaker 1: the seventies and if you if you beat the time,
Speaker 1: then your name goes up there. If you don't, sorry,
Speaker 1: that's gotta be something you take huge pride in it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm proud of that. But the thing is, it's not
Speaker 1: It's not me, you know, it's not it's not natural.
Speaker 1: I just work so freaking hard at it, and I
Speaker 1: think that everybody can do that. You just have to.
Speaker 1: It's the heart, it's that the mindset. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: let this beat me. I'm not gonna quit. I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm going to be the best at this. And then
Speaker 1: uh was that Matholm. Gladwell wrote that book about doing
Speaker 1: a ten thousand repetitions or something I'm not sure it's
Speaker 1: funny you mentioned it. I don't know, but it's about
Speaker 1: black Swans and had something to look out. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: saying that. It does make me think of something I've heard,
Speaker 1: like Arnold Schwarzenegger saying that everything in wife is just reps.
Speaker 1: You know, those constant reps for for everything, whether it's
Speaker 1: shooting as you said, or it's it's for just anything.
Speaker 1: How any radio shows have you done together? I mean,
Speaker 1: it's so crazy. It went from you know, college to working.
Speaker 1: It's seriously, it's it's weird though, um to get on
Speaker 1: another tangent here. You know, I won't go to them.
Speaker 1: But when I went to college, pod asking like wasn't
Speaker 1: even a thing, which wasn't that long ago, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's just a constant evolving medium. But I do know
Speaker 1: what you mean. The first time I went on air,
Speaker 1: I didn't know this would be something. And after a
Speaker 1: hundred you started getting really into it. And that's what
Speaker 1: I listened to shows and you can hear it, you know,
Speaker 1: the guys who have been doing it for a long time.
Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons why I like walk Out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that guy's professional. Absolutely, he's done so much for some
Speaker 1: you know, decades of vienna radio on Top forty and
Speaker 1: doing music and doing all that. So he has the
Speaker 1: voice for it, and he also has the ability because
Speaker 1: he's built that skill. Yeah. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: feel this way though with um what you've done, but
Speaker 1: with radio at least, I feel like there's guys and
Speaker 1: women I've heard where you could tell right away whether
Speaker 1: they're an amateur or not. This person has this natural
Speaker 1: ability to do Yeah, And I think Andrew, for example,
Speaker 1: was born to do this. He's amazing. He's the type
Speaker 1: of I mean me and Mike the producer would joke
Speaker 1: about you. You'd probably wake him up out of to
Speaker 1: sleep at three am and be like, do a radio show,
Speaker 1: and I think he'd be fine. And then there's other
Speaker 1: people I've heard and they could keep trying and trying,
Speaker 1: and it's just they don't have that ability to be engaging.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if the same goes for swimming
Speaker 1: or shooting, because I I don't have ability with this. Well,
Speaker 1: it's definitely repetition. I mean, I think almost everything you
Speaker 1: can think about if you really practice, and it goes
Speaker 1: into like martial arts also, it's like You don't have
Speaker 1: to know a hundred moves. If you know one or
Speaker 1: two moves, you know, I'm really good. And you're just
Speaker 1: like in your sleep if you're doing this flock and
Speaker 1: doing that. That's like that Bruce Lee quote. Yeah, didn't
Speaker 1: he say, I'm not scared of someone who you know,
Speaker 1: is practiced. It's like a thousand moves two times, but
Speaker 1: someone who's practiced, Yeah, it's exactly it. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: the thing that people are remember. So back to the story.
Speaker 1: So I finished, but I was tapping a class man.
Speaker 1: I got my choice of Seal teams. I chose Seal
Speaker 1: Team one because I'm front of East Coast and I
Speaker 1: wanted to live in California. And I wasn't gonaware that
Speaker 1: they let you choose only the top. Wow. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: and that's like, that's much how my entire career went.
Speaker 1: I was at Seal Team One. I did nine years.
Speaker 1: I did a whole bunch of platoons and free fault
Speaker 1: jump Master. I had all the skills. I had everything
Speaker 1: I wanted as far as like the advance skills, you know,
Speaker 1: dive Supervisor, free fall jump Master, they're reaching and range
Speaker 1: super all this all the stuff that you need for qualifications,
Speaker 1: And so I could walk into a platoon and I
Speaker 1: could make a platoon just by myself because of all
Speaker 1: the skills and all the qualifications I had, I could
Speaker 1: bring up up to a level that they could deploy.
Speaker 1: And uh so it was kind of sought after because
Speaker 1: I had so many of those courses because also I'm
Speaker 1: really good test taker and and I can they know
Speaker 1: that if they send me to course on the pass
Speaker 1: and free Fall jump Master was one of those courses
Speaker 1: that especially and I don't think it's the same, but
Speaker 1: in the old days, you could send somebody free Fall
Speaker 1: jump Master and they'd probably fail the first time, and
Speaker 1: there's a good chance I'll fail the second time, and
Speaker 1: they'll get it on a third time, and sudden, the seals,
Speaker 1: we just don't have that much time. You're just like,
Speaker 1: we need to send somebody there that we know is
Speaker 1: going to pass. And so they always knew that whatever
Speaker 1: course we sent to you to, you're gonna be a
Speaker 1: top of class and you're gonna pass. Would be good.
Speaker 1: Then we have the skill. It's an Army course to
Speaker 1: the jump master courses. So we're stuck with the Army
Speaker 1: qualification and trying to get rid of everybody, which is
Speaker 1: a silly way to do it. Because free Fall jump
Speaker 1: Master it's one of those advanced courses. It's not a qualification.
Speaker 1: It's not a washout system. You're trying to teach somebody
Speaker 1: some really advanced skills and get unqualified to go back
Speaker 1: to do the work. But they were washing people out.
Speaker 1: I mean more than half the class got kicked out
Speaker 1: when I was going through. It was ridiculous, total waste
Speaker 1: of money. So that's a whole another subject. So I
Speaker 1: was Seal Team one. When I left there, I got
Speaker 1: recruited up to sub Common the headquarters by Cowboy Wells.
Speaker 1: He was a warm officer and he was up there
Speaker 1: working on his mission planning system. And you're trying to
Speaker 1: this is like the nineties or computers, think about think
Speaker 1: about the mid to late nineties. Yeah, screen of death.
Speaker 1: It was a constant. It was just such a such
Speaker 1: a terrible time be trying to make this really advanced
Speaker 1: the mission planning system. And he was trying to do this,
Speaker 1: and uh, he knew that I was like having an
Speaker 1: intel mission planning and I was computer savy because I
Speaker 1: was building my own computers. So I was I knew
Speaker 1: what I was doing. I used to program computer stuff
Speaker 1: and for trying Pascal and all these old you know,
Speaker 1: prim bit of a language back in the all day.
Speaker 1: So he knew this, and so he recruited me up
Speaker 1: to the headquarters to help and write this program. And
Speaker 1: UH they had hired this company to write the program
Speaker 1: and do all the stuff and make this thing happen.
Speaker 1: And they were showing the Admiral one day in the
Speaker 1: UH in one of the conference rooms, here's the program.
Speaker 1: And he started going through it, and they were saying,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be the mission plan. And they're talking
Speaker 1: about what the mission was gonna be, and in blue
Speaker 1: Screen of Death and they were like, unplugged the big screen,
Speaker 1: and I plugging another computer and started trying to pick
Speaker 1: up from what I then and Blue Screen of Death.
Speaker 1: The whole things went. It went sideways a couple of times,
Speaker 1: and I put my hand in there. You know, this
Speaker 1: is a little old. I think I might have just
Speaker 1: made chief. And they were like, hey, Chief, you got
Speaker 1: something you want to add. I was like, yeah, I've
Speaker 1: been in my garage just kind of writing some stuff
Speaker 1: and some program and I think I think mine work,
Speaker 1: And uh, it's not gonna crash, and it's gonna be
Speaker 1: exactly what we need. He said, all right, go ahead,
Speaker 1: show us what we got. So I took the court
Speaker 1: out of their thing and I plugged it into my
Speaker 1: computer and to do started planning and don't find a screen.
Speaker 1: They started seeing boats moving and stuff happening, and all
Speaker 1: of it just started going on and they were like, well,
Speaker 1: what if we don't really want it to be a
Speaker 1: d A. We're gonna make this one, uh, this and this,
Speaker 1: and they started changing the mission. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: no problem. So I started plugging in different stuff and
Speaker 1: stuff was going boom boom boom bob. And he said, hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have some explosives there too, And I said,
Speaker 1: all right, how much c for? They told me, and
Speaker 1: I just dialed it in and I said, the explosive
Speaker 1: radios to be this much, we have to leave here,
Speaker 1: and the time fuse can be that long. And they
Speaker 1: were like wait what And so I started giving them
Speaker 1: like all this extra stuff and everything was perfect ran.
Speaker 1: So that company got fired and they took my program.
Speaker 1: And you know what program you're still using today? Yere,
Speaker 1: after twenty years, my stuff is still being used that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Where do you even find the time to learn how
Speaker 1: to program and learn computers as you're trying to be
Speaker 1: the best swimmer, be the best shooter. Well, you always
Speaker 1: have weekends. I guess it all plays into your competitive nature.
Speaker 1: Which the competitive nature's also just if you want to
Speaker 1: do something, just keep ongoing at it. And it took
Speaker 1: me a lot of time to get to the point
Speaker 1: when I had the program and everything was going and uh,
Speaker 1: same thing. I just worked hard at it, and I
Speaker 1: just kept just plugging away, you know. So I mean,
Speaker 1: you're right, it's it's a lot of time. So then
Speaker 1: I was at the headquarters for a while and then uh,
Speaker 1: I was giving my mission planning briefing off of all
Speaker 1: the stuff I was doing, and I was doing it
Speaker 1: to the Master chief conference. This is all the mass
Speaker 1: chiefs from all around the world. They were all in
Speaker 1: one room and they were seeing what was on cutting edge,
Speaker 1: what was going on in seals, and they were learning about,
Speaker 1: you know, the rates, what was going on, and how
Speaker 1: to advance people. So it's a lot of the administrative
Speaker 1: skills that new mass chiefs and what people need to
Speaker 1: know to run a seal team. And I was still
Speaker 1: just a chief. I was at East seven, so I'm
Speaker 1: in near Shawn on the mission planning system because this
Speaker 1: is all still really new, cutting edge, and this is like,
Speaker 1: this is right in the beginning of two thousand one,
Speaker 1: so it's when like February March of two thousand one,
Speaker 1: and uh so I started showing all the to them
Speaker 1: and and they said, hey, this's awesome, and they loved it.
Speaker 1: They said, hey, we're doing another course right after this,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be talking about uh evals and advancements
Speaker 1: and then also doing how to cut orders. And you
Speaker 1: can just sit down on this one if you want to,
Speaker 1: because it's gonna be some good stuff for you. So
Speaker 1: I sat in on a course and I was the
Speaker 1: only yet seven in there, and the mass chief up
Speaker 1: on stage he started doing the evls and everything else,
Speaker 1: and he said, hey, hey, back, we're gonna pull up
Speaker 1: your record and uh you might be ready for orders
Speaker 1: here soon, so let's uh let's take a look at
Speaker 1: your record and we'll see what we can plug you
Speaker 1: in and how you're gonna get orders, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: teach all the other mass chiefs how to cut orders
Speaker 1: for chief. And I was like all right, whatever, So
Speaker 1: they fold up my record and all the master chears,
Speaker 1: we're reading through it and with all the calls and
Speaker 1: everything else. So they started kind of bidding not on me.
Speaker 1: So I had like a bidding war between Steal Team five,
Speaker 1: Steal Team Mate, and I think Steal Team three. All
Speaker 1: these mass chiefs were trying to get me because they
Speaker 1: wanted the calls because it would pump up one of
Speaker 1: their platoons. And uh so a teammate looked pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I didn't really want to leave the West Coast. I
Speaker 1: still like to playing on the West Coast. And then
Speaker 1: the Team five match, you said, hey, hey, back, I
Speaker 1: can get in a platoon. You know, the day you
Speaker 1: cut over, you'll be a platoon chief and round platoon.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I was like, all right, that
Speaker 1: sounds cool. All right, let's do it. And so he
Speaker 1: pushed the button up on stage right when I was
Speaker 1: doing that in early two thousand and one, and I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, your orders are cut. You're transferring to
Speaker 1: Team five and uh three weeks and I was like
Speaker 1: wait what So that's how I ended up going on
Speaker 1: my next team. And then just a few months after this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: then and when I haven't happens. And so I was
Speaker 1: already in a platoon and uh Coggins was one of
Speaker 1: my guys in a flatoon. I think that was the
Speaker 1: platoon I was in. But I showed up there and I, uh,
Speaker 1: it wasn't really a big like like a rucking team.
Speaker 1: So I had everybody to uh thirty pounds sandbags into
Speaker 1: all the rocks and know them all out and get
Speaker 1: them all downe and uh, I started having everybody doing
Speaker 1: you know, twice a week, we're doing rock comps on
Speaker 1: the beaches and just going up and down, you know,
Speaker 1: and ten miles you know, and just working hard at that.
Speaker 1: And they were like, what why are we doing this?
Speaker 1: And I said, well and I said, if we get
Speaker 1: into but you know, we're gonna be we're gonna be
Speaker 1: going aways. And you guys were fisted. So didn't like
Speaker 1: me at all. With the nine eleven happened, and then
Speaker 1: they were all the same things for all, Like I
Speaker 1: was doing all this extra training. He was just like
Speaker 1: after hours around weekend and say hey, let's go do
Speaker 1: a rock comp on Saturday at such and such a time.
Speaker 1: And they were freaking hate just being overprepared. That's a
Speaker 1: great thing. So here's the funny new guys too. So
Speaker 1: I had all these new guys and Goggins was one
Speaker 1: of the new guys in there, and it'll attested us.
Speaker 1: But the new guys were in there, and I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: we had these big lockers when you put all your
Speaker 1: equipment everything in and I said, all the new guys,
Speaker 1: you guys can't use the lockers, and so I put
Speaker 1: padlocks and all the lockers they're empty. And I said,
Speaker 1: you guys can have two pair of bags and that's all.
Speaker 1: And you can have your two paira bags right in
Speaker 1: front of your locker and I'll not expect him at
Speaker 1: any time, so make sure to squared away and make
Speaker 1: sure they're good. But everything you need for everything we're
Speaker 1: gonna do for the next month has to be in
Speaker 1: those two pair of bags and that's all. And then
Speaker 1: we're freaking fist and you guys has hated me, and uh,
Speaker 1: they got used to just working out of those two
Speaker 1: fair bags. They didn't have this giant locker to just
Speaker 1: have all the stuff all over and have second and
Speaker 1: thirds of everything, because you only need a second of
Speaker 1: certain things, you know, stuff that might break, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, you don't need the two of two
Speaker 1: everything you know too, what is it two is one
Speaker 1: and one is none? All that kind of thing. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's not true. You don't need two of that. You
Speaker 1: don't need two of that. If you have one of those,
Speaker 1: you're fine. And if something happens, you know that a
Speaker 1: fair of plyers, you know, or fence cutters be those
Speaker 1: aren't gonna break. You don't need two pairs of fence cutters.
Speaker 1: So just one's good. So they got used to living
Speaker 1: out of those bags. And then uh, after about doing
Speaker 1: that for a couple of months, it was two or
Speaker 1: three months of those guys living out of those two bags.
Speaker 1: Then I cut all the locks off all the lockers
Speaker 1: and I let them have their lockers. But they're still
Speaker 1: kind of used to having their bags all set up.
Speaker 1: And then uh, we went out on a ship and
Speaker 1: doing some stuff and we had to have really small
Speaker 1: amount of gear, and those guys are like they were
Speaker 1: packed up and they were gone, and they were other
Speaker 1: waiting and says why is it? And everybody so long?
Speaker 1: So all the other guys because we get lazy. So
Speaker 1: we didn't really know what the fact or how we
Speaker 1: weren't good at it, but all the new guys were
Speaker 1: just like they were kind of like pointing at it,
Speaker 1: kind of laughing. But it was a lass and I
Speaker 1: was like, hey, you guys have to be ready to go.
Speaker 1: Everything packed in there and be able to do this
Speaker 1: and then know you loved it. They were just like,
Speaker 1: right on, man, learn some good lessons. Everything's packed away
Speaker 1: good and I can get that. Get that. I know
Speaker 1: exactly what I need with no extras. That's cool. So
Speaker 1: it's just less good. They might have hated it, but yeah,
Speaker 1: they they figured out it was this means something, this
Speaker 1: is the right way to do it. So some of
Speaker 1: my training is pretty harsh, and I know that. I
Speaker 1: definitely had some people are kind of they're pissed because
Speaker 1: they were like, this is unnecessary, this is just overboard.
Speaker 1: We don't need to do that now. But I was like, no,
Speaker 1: this is good lessons. It's hard lessons. You'll never forget it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So one thing I was wondering with the competitive nature
Speaker 1: that you have that made you become a seal, that
Speaker 1: made you successful in all these things, well, I mean
Speaker 1: that doesn't go away. What do you do with that
Speaker 1: competitive nature now in your own life where you're at.
Speaker 1: I don't know, to sleep a lot. I'm a competitive sleeper,
Speaker 1: but I would assume you still want to be the
Speaker 1: best at something, and you are someone who still makes
Speaker 1: an impact. You know, oftentimes when you make a statement,
Speaker 1: it gets picked up everywhere. It's on TMZ. I mean,
Speaker 1: because you stand out for obvious reasons. Well, touching on
Speaker 1: this subject, just a little bit of my life I'm
Speaker 1: living right now. It's a I'll tell you right now,
Speaker 1: what if you could take America and you looked at
Speaker 1: our entire country and you want to define American one word?
Speaker 1: What's the word you would think of? And everybody, everybody
Speaker 1: out there listening to think right now, what comes to
Speaker 1: my mind would probably be diverse diversity for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of weird. I mean, I don't know what
Speaker 1: what what? You know? What I mean? It's also because
Speaker 1: I live in New York, right, so people from the
Speaker 1: lb GT, you know, Q community, you see everywhere. You
Speaker 1: also will see someone in a job, you know, and
Speaker 1: everybody kind of just does their own thing. Okay, Well
Speaker 1: I could be biased based on that, yeah, but I
Speaker 1: mean also, yeah, okay, here's there, digging a little deeper.
Speaker 1: And I didn't mean to make fun of you a
Speaker 1: little bit, but it was kind of funny. But what
Speaker 1: what is it about America that allows that diversity? Hey,
Speaker 1: there's a good one. So the constitution might be that's
Speaker 1: better because that's more digging into the layers of what
Speaker 1: gives us that diversity. And that's what a challenge everyone
Speaker 1: out there to think about it is, like what's your word?
Speaker 1: And then why is it that America gives us the diversity?
Speaker 1: Why is it that America can give us that kind
Speaker 1: of freedom and a constitution that's that's that's great because
Speaker 1: that thing has been thought out and there's so much
Speaker 1: in that that we just we don't. We take it
Speaker 1: for granted and we don't do it very well. And
Speaker 1: if politicians they're down there, it's like a food fight
Speaker 1: all the time. If the Democrats say something, Republicans jump
Speaker 1: all over and if pob can say it's like, it's
Speaker 1: it's terrible, it's the worst. I mean, there's one whereum
Speaker 1: is the current president. It it just changes, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be all right. So what's the guys? You know it's
Speaker 1: not it's red. Yeah, what come on, dude, So what's
Speaker 1: the word here? So if you're thinking about what our
Speaker 1: country is and who we are as people, liberty, if
Speaker 1: you think about something that we have got a lot
Speaker 1: of other countries down't or or a lot of other
Speaker 1: countries do have liberty and they have freedom, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of things they have. But our country, we
Speaker 1: really were individualists. We're like that that loan, you know,
Speaker 1: farmer out there, you know, driving the herd of cattle
Speaker 1: across that's like when you think about it, you know,
Speaker 1: oh for sure. I mean, I think the liberty and
Speaker 1: individual liberty. I've talked about this on the show with
Speaker 1: Jack and and just in general. I mean, we are
Speaker 1: actually pretty much the only major country out there truly
Speaker 1: with free speech. And I think that is why people
Speaker 1: are so bothered by these big tech tech companies banning
Speaker 1: people and deep forming people. And I understand these are
Speaker 1: private companies, so you know, that's a whole another debate.
Speaker 1: But for example, as deplorable as it maybe in another country,
Speaker 1: you write a book, you know, saying that the holocost
Speaker 1: never happened, you will literally go to jail and here
Speaker 1: the girl to cut your head off. You're allowed to
Speaker 1: do that, you know, And I think actually even When
Speaker 1: I talk to people from other cultures, they don't get
Speaker 1: why someone like myself would defend that. It has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with that I like that speech that I
Speaker 1: think that speech is even acceptable. But that is what
Speaker 1: makes America America. But that's what I want all the
Speaker 1: politicians to see, is that we are special, that we
Speaker 1: do hold that that individual liberty. And if this right here,
Speaker 1: if me live in my life right now, is my
Speaker 1: individual liberty, Isn't that what the Constitution offers me? Isn't
Speaker 1: that what America offers me? Isn't that the Republicans and
Speaker 1: Democrats and all those politicians down there, that's what they
Speaker 1: should be working on, is how do we make everyone's
Speaker 1: individual liberty to the masimum extent possible, but yet man
Speaker 1: peenial to manage countries, collecting taxes to do the roads
Speaker 1: and the bridges, and doing all the stuff they have
Speaker 1: to do to keep everything running. But there should never
Speaker 1: be a price to a person's individual liberty. And that's
Speaker 1: that's what I wish people could understand, is that this
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with It has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with your life, or your paycheck, or your family or
Speaker 1: anything else. Has nothing to do with your church. This
Speaker 1: is just me expression, This is my individual liberty. So
Speaker 1: why can't have that? It sounds like you you're possibly
Speaker 1: like acting to run for office again. What you did,
Speaker 1: what you did try, you know, and I mean is
Speaker 1: that something that you want to do because you're very
Speaker 1: passionate about your beliefs and what you see this country
Speaker 1: is standing for. So and I would love to see
Speaker 1: the politician centers start understanding that compromises not a dirty word.
Speaker 1: You know, you have to work together, you have to
Speaker 1: figure stuff out. You can't be enemies. You can be opponents.
Speaker 1: And it's fine for Republicans and Democrats and the whole
Speaker 1: thing down there. They're not enemies though their opponents and
Speaker 1: their their issues are different. And we have to figure
Speaker 1: this out and how how are we gonna make this work.
Speaker 1: They don't care to make it work. They just want
Speaker 1: to crush the other party. And it's ridiculous. It's it's
Speaker 1: a wrong way to be running the country. The truth
Speaker 1: is if you were to be an elected number of office,
Speaker 1: that they just wouldn't be able to put you in
Speaker 1: a box. No, not at all, you know, because of
Speaker 1: you know, like I said that, your own background. But
Speaker 1: then you being a seal you were not really completely
Speaker 1: in a line with someone like a Dan Crunch drugs
Speaker 1: now in office, you know, So I just I think
Speaker 1: you'd be a tough person. Yeah it seems great. Yeah
Speaker 1: it was. And the interesting thing was, I mean I like,
Speaker 1: like when you're running the most Seals, because we have
Speaker 1: such a hardcore backgrounds so similar, it's hard not to like,
Speaker 1: you see a Seal Team guy, you're just like, hey,
Speaker 1: yeah you're different. You're black or white, you're females. There's
Speaker 1: only one so you're whatever you are. If you have
Speaker 1: that Seal Team background, there's so much you have in common,
Speaker 1: and you're just like you automatically just click talking to
Speaker 1: the other day. Well yeah thing. Yeah for me and
Speaker 1: Rob and you know we talk, we talk often enough,
Speaker 1: and uh, at the same thing, we just start getting
Speaker 1: into we might do a little bit of the you know, hey,
Speaker 1: what what are you doing you know lately until that,
Speaker 1: but then it goes right into like team guy stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it real quickly, just you know, digresses right
Speaker 1: back down and they're like, hey what about that? What
Speaker 1: about that? And yeah, and we just start drinking some.
Speaker 1: But what I was gonna say is doing this show,
Speaker 1: I have learned more than ever that the military really
Speaker 1: is in a monolith. And when we had Dan Crunshaw
Speaker 1: on the show when he was running for Congress, Jack
Speaker 1: and him completely disagreed on foreign policy. You know, Dan
Speaker 1: is a guy and I don't even know you're taking
Speaker 1: this who kind of does want us to stay in
Speaker 1: Iraq for however many years, And he said on the show, Look,
Speaker 1: we've had a presence in Japan, we've had a presence
Speaker 1: in Germany. And you know, Jack, for example, is a
Speaker 1: guy that thinks that these wars are never ending, like
Speaker 1: what is our objective? So it's interesting you have these
Speaker 1: different people from the special ops background who have been
Speaker 1: in combat and they see things completely different. Well, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a time that we're gonna have to be
Speaker 1: in Iraq and son these other places because we've been
Speaker 1: at war and we've basically dismantled our entire government. To
Speaker 1: imagine if someone if another country came into America and
Speaker 1: dismantled and fired everyone in the whole government and they
Speaker 1: don't go back to the farms or killed most of them,
Speaker 1: and then the same thing with all the military, all
Speaker 1: the generals and the colonels and everybody else in between.
Speaker 1: They were just totally stripped of everything they did and
Speaker 1: told to go away. And he said, okay, let's start
Speaker 1: running it. It's you can't. So there's all these barreacracies,
Speaker 1: and there's all these people on all these people on
Speaker 1: these middle levels and all this other stuff, and then
Speaker 1: all the leaders and they're all gone. How do you
Speaker 1: build that back up? It's gonna take an immense amount
Speaker 1: of time, So we have to go well. When Dan
Speaker 1: was on though, at the same time, he said, we
Speaker 1: don't need to, you know, engage in nation building. But
Speaker 1: I mean what you're saying, and we're not gonna try
Speaker 1: to build in our image because Iraq is never gonna
Speaker 1: be similar democracy. It's different. And then if we try
Speaker 1: to make them wear blue jeans and try to make
Speaker 1: them American, that's total ps And it's one of the
Speaker 1: biggest problems we have a lot of times is we
Speaker 1: think that everyone wants to be American. It's not. It's
Speaker 1: not their way. They have a totally different mindset and
Speaker 1: a different way to do things, and it'd be like
Speaker 1: trying to take some of that in American countries and
Speaker 1: trying to make them America. We tried that for how
Speaker 1: many decades down there during a banana Wars and everything else.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work. They don't want to be American, you know.
Speaker 1: They like to do what how they do it, and
Speaker 1: they're gonna have their systems and just leave them alone.
Speaker 1: But why do we keep repeating the same exact thing
Speaker 1: again again? I don't think we're very smart sometimes because
Speaker 1: you know now, and we talk about this often, Jack
Speaker 1: especially is pretty passionate about this. You know, we talked
Speaker 1: about going into where you run and he thinks, like,
Speaker 1: this is another boogeyman. That's ridiculous. Well, we messed up
Speaker 1: Iran back into Jimmy Carter days, and I know one
Speaker 1: of the guys who worked at an agency, they actually
Speaker 1: went into Jimmy Carter's office on two separate occasions and
Speaker 1: told him that I Tella, we cannot do this. You
Speaker 1: have to go with this over here. And it was
Speaker 1: more of a military group that they wanted to have
Speaker 1: in power, and Jimmy Carter said, no, No, he's a
Speaker 1: religious man, and you know, I trusted he'll do everything
Speaker 1: that's right. And he's a religious man. You know when
Speaker 1: I trust religion, And that was Jimmy Carter's to say
Speaker 1: on one time. They went back to his office about
Speaker 1: a few days later and said, this is the wrong
Speaker 1: thing to do. You cannot have him, this group and power,
Speaker 1: because they were totally changed the phase of Iran and
Speaker 1: they will become our worst enemy. No, No, he's a
Speaker 1: religious man, and I trusted the religious man, and that's
Speaker 1: what And Jimmy Carter is the isd pent I'd fault
Speaker 1: for all of Iran, and nobody even knows a lot
Speaker 1: of that. I don't think it's very well known. But
Speaker 1: if you look at uh photos and videos and things
Speaker 1: from Iran back in the sixties and early seventies, you'll
Speaker 1: see face a pretty cool country, you know, very avant garde,
Speaker 1: and you know art and the women are where, and
Speaker 1: you would think that you're right here. But from what
Speaker 1: I hear, it's still almost in a way like that,
Speaker 1: you know, and unfortunately the US media presents all of
Speaker 1: these is a long the country is being exactly the
Speaker 1: same under three law. And you know, you would know
Speaker 1: better than anybody because I've I've only been to Israel
Speaker 1: in the Middle East, but you know, these countries are
Speaker 1: all very different, different culture, so well Israel's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: One country you went to was pretty pretty wide open,
Speaker 1: open wided, and pretty cool. Yeah, when in two thousand
Speaker 1: four stuff, I'd love to go back. I mean, i'd
Speaker 1: love to see I'm not much of a traveler, to
Speaker 1: be honest. But at the same point, there'll be something
Speaker 1: to seeing all of that. You know, like Jack's wife,
Speaker 1: Benny constantly is over there working on documentaries and talking
Speaker 1: about women's rights and equality over there, and it's you know,
Speaker 1: if you just did a documentary that was extremely eye
Speaker 1: open and called I'm the Revolution, and I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I hope, well it'll get some type of distribution. But
Speaker 1: I got to see the premier here in New York,
Speaker 1: and you know, when Benny comes on the show, it's
Speaker 1: a very different um ideology because she's very openly feminist
Speaker 1: and all that. And you learned that being a feminist
Speaker 1: in America is a very different thing than being a
Speaker 1: feminist in the Middle East, where these women received death
Speaker 1: threats and stuff just for wanting basic human rights, the
Speaker 1: right to vote, to drive a car. Yeah, they're getting killed.
Speaker 1: And as Benny said, you know when they do get
Speaker 1: the right to drive a car, that like now in
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia. She was like, you know, they're given that
Speaker 1: right at the same time they're just gonna be so
Speaker 1: constantly harassed that it's not not even worth driving a
Speaker 1: car at that point. You know. So stuff like that
Speaker 1: is very eye opening to see. And I think the
Speaker 1: mainstream media presents everything is this is what the Middle
Speaker 1: East is, and you know it's obviously not. I think
Speaker 1: it's easier. And I think we do the same thing
Speaker 1: with gender. You know, with almost everything we do. We
Speaker 1: want it to be real easy. You know, here's this
Speaker 1: and here's that, and if there's stuff in the middle,
Speaker 1: they say, no, no, it doesn't exist, it's only this
Speaker 1: and that. They try to push it out to the out,
Speaker 1: to the far end of the spectrum to make it
Speaker 1: easier to digest. So I was gonna ask, what brings
Speaker 1: you to New York? Your dog is getting a ton
Speaker 1: of attention just walking around the office here, Lily, who's
Speaker 1: super well behaved. It's you know, you wouldn't even know
Speaker 1: listening that that she's here because she hasn't worked or anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's a she's a yellow. She's really cool. I was
Speaker 1: in a bar last night and uh, I just say,
Speaker 1: you know, I just said a word under and she goes.
Speaker 1: She goes right under the table and just sits down
Speaker 1: and lays there. And if people don't even know she's there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'll start getting off to leave or go to
Speaker 1: the restroom or something, and uh, littally you'll come out
Speaker 1: they're like, oh my god, there's a dog there, getting
Speaker 1: a ton of Yeah, what what made you come out here?
Speaker 1: I mean I've, like I said, we've spoken for years
Speaker 1: between this podcast calling it too serious. When I worked
Speaker 1: on Andrew Wilkow relatively recently. Um, and there's been many
Speaker 1: times I've been said, hey, we should get you in studio,
Speaker 1: but you've never been here, So what made you here? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What made you finally come visit? So? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm trying to do different things, you know,
Speaker 1: I want my fourth and fifth career and I just
Speaker 1: want to try to spread out a little bit and
Speaker 1: do some different things. And so I was invited up
Speaker 1: here a few times before doing some fashion magazines. So
Speaker 1: I've been in Flaunt and uh, what's that one magazine?
Speaker 1: Just what was a bunch of magazines? I've been in
Speaker 1: g Q. I was in GQ magazine. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: that's the one day until I got invited up here
Speaker 1: to do this huge campaign for a really cool brand.
Speaker 1: And when you see it, it'll come out in May.
Speaker 1: I can't really tell you what the brand is and what,
Speaker 1: but keep your eyes open in May. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: like a really cool, very hip kind of it's gonna
Speaker 1: be really neat. But I came up here to do photography.
Speaker 1: So for the last two days I've been in a
Speaker 1: studio and uh on fifty ninth Pier studio and just
Speaker 1: doing photo photography. So just putting the stuff on. And
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not able to like to distrust the
Speaker 1: one way and all that stuff, but I was. But
Speaker 1: I think I was pretty good, you know, in photos,
Speaker 1: and it was good. I think when you see it
Speaker 1: in mad you'll be like, dangn that doesn't mean look
Speaker 1: like it because the magic of photography the lighting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so in the right light, you know, I look, okay,
Speaker 1: this is totally turn all the lights off. Though it
Speaker 1: means it's a totally different world than what you're it's
Speaker 1: a it's a really wild world and it's it's wild
Speaker 1: also because you have the photographer as Fellers assistant. You
Speaker 1: have all the lighting people, and you have these sauce
Speaker 1: surrounded by all these people making the mission happen. So
Speaker 1: it was like it was like military precision, you know
Speaker 1: that they all kind of know their jobs and it's
Speaker 1: super professional and pretty awesome. And so it was. It
Speaker 1: was about thirty to forty people all around doing styling
Speaker 1: and makeup and hair and this and that, just people
Speaker 1: all over just for that one mission to get this
Speaker 1: product in the best light as possible on this person
Speaker 1: for that one shot. And then they would have to
Speaker 1: do like a thousand ots to try to get the
Speaker 1: one shot that they want to keep. And there's a
Speaker 1: it's a huge industry. I just I'm really surprised. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm amazed. Well, I mean this is like the headquarters
Speaker 1: of it. That's probably why it's so because this is
Speaker 1: New York City. Yeah. Yeah, I think I've done some
Speaker 1: fashion shoots. And if you look at my Instagram and
Speaker 1: all my social media is the same. It's Valor, the
Speaker 1: number four US. Valor for us, because Valor is not
Speaker 1: for me. Valor is not for it's for the US.
Speaker 1: It's for us. And so that's the reason I picked
Speaker 1: for us. Is my call sign it's cool. Um, so
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure that we get into this.
Speaker 1: You've done a lot of different charity work, um, and
Speaker 1: I know that you're heavily involved with the Military Order
Speaker 1: of the Purple Heart, which is Purple Heart dot org
Speaker 1: at an m p h underscore HQ on Twitter on Instagram,
Speaker 1: and I remember you were texting me about them a
Speaker 1: while back to like follow them, see what they're up to.
Speaker 1: How did you get involved with them and what exactly
Speaker 1: are they doing? I mean, I know that you know
Speaker 1: they're the group involved in giving out the Purple Heart
Speaker 1: and and helping those with the Purple Heart, which there's
Speaker 1: been some initiatives lately. I noticed you you see more
Speaker 1: Purple Heart parking in spaces and things like that. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I wanted to hear what they're doing in
Speaker 1: your involvement. So, the Military Purple Heart has been around
Speaker 1: since nineteen thirties. It got his congressional charter I think
Speaker 1: in ninety two, so it's congressionally chartered Veteran service organization,
Speaker 1: and so our primary job is to help veterans get
Speaker 1: their VA benefits. So we have hundreds of people and
Speaker 1: people in cities all around the country that did to
Speaker 1: sit in office just like this and uh, a veteran
Speaker 1: the right to and saying, hey, I was trying to
Speaker 1: get my VA benefits. I'm at and I have all
Speaker 1: these things that are service connected and this and this,
Speaker 1: and they say, okay, well, well we'll represent you, and
Speaker 1: so send us all the data, your information. They look
Speaker 1: at everything on the v A site and they help
Speaker 1: you write your claim and make sure that you get
Speaker 1: what you deserve, you know, as far as your percentages
Speaker 1: and everything else. And that's like one of our primary
Speaker 1: jobs representing veterans, not just what for hearts, but all veterans,
Speaker 1: to help them get the benefits that they deserve, that
Speaker 1: they earned. And uh, we've worked a lot with the
Speaker 1: g I bill, so that forever g I bill was
Speaker 1: one of our big pushes. We've been working with service
Speaker 1: dog groups and trying to promote more service dogs for veterans.
Speaker 1: And it's all about like a veterans suicide rate right now.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just it's it's epidemic. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: talking about twenty two you know people, it's it just
Speaker 1: it breaks my heart the fact that it doesn't have
Speaker 1: to happen. You know, we have to start trying to
Speaker 1: get together more and doing better body checks and caring
Speaker 1: about each other. And if some of those guys had
Speaker 1: service dog, you know, the chances are that they still
Speaker 1: be here, you know. So that's what our group does,
Speaker 1: and it's we have Legislative Affairs Office that we're always
Speaker 1: on Congress and we're always on Capol Hill, and we're
Speaker 1: always working to make sure that veterans represented correctly. And
Speaker 1: we work, you know, hand in hand with a VFW
Speaker 1: in the American Legion Disabled Veterans in America. We work
Speaker 1: with a lot of different groups and if you think
Speaker 1: think about all the major veteran support organizations, we're in one,
Speaker 1: you know, at the top five. So you have the VFW,
Speaker 1: the American Liege, and the Disabled Veterans UM. The Vietnam
Speaker 1: Veterans American is a pretty big one. So there's there's
Speaker 1: some real big ones, and we're up there in that
Speaker 1: in that group with the bigger organizations. I know you
Speaker 1: have and really from the last time that you we're
Speaker 1: on we got into this, you've always been a big
Speaker 1: advocate for altern alternative treatments for t v I, for PTSD.
Speaker 1: Do you try to bring that to the table with
Speaker 1: them of finding new ways to treat these guys, because
Speaker 1: it's something we often talk about. I mean, they're American
Speaker 1: medicine or you know, Western medicine is very pharmaceutical based,
Speaker 1: you know, and there's a lot of other methods. So
Speaker 1: I'm going in for acupuncher, you know here, I've done
Speaker 1: that next week, and that's that's not Western medicine, that's
Speaker 1: Eastern medicine. But we've been able to kind of bring
Speaker 1: that in and saying that this is actually effective and
Speaker 1: yoga and hot yoga and doing things to try to
Speaker 1: get your muscles and get everything kind of going better.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of other things you can do,
Speaker 1: and into opioid epidemics. You know, the crisis right now,
Speaker 1: it's really is a crisis. So many people die of
Speaker 1: opioid overdoses and the effects of opioids that I mean,
Speaker 1: how many a day, hundreds of people a day, hundreds
Speaker 1: of Americans per day are dying from this, this crisis
Speaker 1: of the opioids. An alternative medicine at is a medical marijuana,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a the CBD oils. You know, there's
Speaker 1: so many things we can do and the v A
Speaker 1: prescribed to me about three weeks ago because I have
Speaker 1: some issues sleeping and uh, and then they showed it
Speaker 1: to me and they said, well, this is originally made
Speaker 1: for cantor patients and some other people who are on
Speaker 1: chemotherapy because they don't want to eat. So they started saying, well,
Speaker 1: you know, marijuana gives everybody the munkeyes and you want
Speaker 1: to eat a lot. So they started trying to take
Speaker 1: marijuana and take the oils out CBD. But this is
Speaker 1: going back to twenty years and I v A was
Speaker 1: doing it since far As Pharmaceutical Company did this twenty
Speaker 1: years ago. So they took the essence of you know,
Speaker 1: medical marijuana involded down in to try to give this
Speaker 1: as a as a you know, as an aid to
Speaker 1: chemotherapy patients so that they would start eating more so
Speaker 1: they could be healthy. And uh, it didn't actually do
Speaker 1: what they wanted to do, but they were messing around
Speaker 1: with the medical marijuana back twenty years ago, the v A.
Speaker 1: And so he prescribed this thing to me. And it's
Speaker 1: been on the market for as a as A as
Speaker 1: a prescribed drug from a v A for you know, decades,
Speaker 1: and uh, it's great for sleep, they said it didn't
Speaker 1: really make make all these patients you know, want to eat,
Speaker 1: but it did definitely make him go to sleep. So
Speaker 1: I said, well, this is a sleep aide and then
Speaker 1: there's no side effects, was nothing. You just take a
Speaker 1: couple of these, um have a perfect night's sleep. Pretty recently,
Speaker 1: we had Peter Peter Gidrey on the podcast from uh
Speaker 1: Forgotten Not Gone, which is a group out of Las Vegas,
Speaker 1: a veterans group, and he's a big supporter of this Creatum. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've you know, read up on that.
Speaker 1: I saw that documentary A Leap of Faith, which is
Speaker 1: actually where I saw Peter. I got him on um.
Speaker 1: That seems to be another big alternative when you know,
Speaker 1: I go to Florida every now and again, like a
Speaker 1: couple of times a year, and you see these kabba
Speaker 1: bars everywhere, which is like creatum um, you know, made
Speaker 1: from creatum, and I think it's because opioids are huge there.
Speaker 1: I mean, south Ford is like the rehab capital of
Speaker 1: the world. Um. I don't I've never taken creatum, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm also not someone I've never served in the military.
Speaker 1: I don't know the PTSD or any of that. But
Speaker 1: I would think if it's helping these guys out also
Speaker 1: getting people off opioids, why not explore it. And that's
Speaker 1: that's probably the biggest point, as if this is an
Speaker 1: alternative and it's not your regular thing, then why can't
Speaker 1: we try it? Why can't we experiment with it? And
Speaker 1: I think that's a failure of the FDA. It's a
Speaker 1: failure a it's a failure of US government overall that
Speaker 1: our FDA is a pre ocracy. It just takes too
Speaker 1: long to authorize something and kind of do this. And
Speaker 1: I like and I think it's something that Trump just
Speaker 1: signed a little while ago, and it has to do
Speaker 1: with Uh, it's up to you if you want to
Speaker 1: try and experimental drug and you wanna try something as experiment,
Speaker 1: it is not FDA approved yet that you're allowed to
Speaker 1: actually try something. Yeah, I can't remember that. I think
Speaker 1: it's um it's something with like right to choose, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it was mentioned during the State of the Union
Speaker 1: and I remember that that senator from Arizona, um, what's
Speaker 1: her name again, um Cinnamon, Kirston Cinnamon or something like that.
Speaker 1: But she she's a Democrat and stood up during that
Speaker 1: and none of the other Democrats did, which come on,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, this guy is blue. It's not. It's there's
Speaker 1: certain things that should be completely bipartisan. You know. I
Speaker 1: spoke about on the podcast recently with these two military
Speaker 1: wives of these private companies that own military housing, and
Speaker 1: there's black mold in these houses m while the people
Speaker 1: who own this are making millions upon millions of dollars
Speaker 1: and people assume it's like a government project and it's not.
Speaker 1: And apparently Mark A. Rubio and some others taking action.
Speaker 1: But like, if I've ever heard anthing that should be
Speaker 1: a bipartisan effort, that's it. That's one of them. And
Speaker 1: he's actually done a lot of things like that. The
Speaker 1: Democrats are still fighting. It's like, why a you're fighting this?
Speaker 1: This is this is a good thing. And that's what
Speaker 1: I said earlier about, Hey, compromise is not a dirty word,
Speaker 1: and if politics, they should not be fighting like they fight.
Speaker 1: You know, we're all fighting for the same thing. We're
Speaker 1: fighting for an individual liberty. We're fighting for equality and
Speaker 1: freedom and all the stuff that makes America great, you know,
Speaker 1: and why can't we fight for that? You shouldn't just say, well,
Speaker 1: he's already Pelican or it's Trump, and we're gonna automatically
Speaker 1: hate everything he does, and that's kind of what we've
Speaker 1: gotten into. And it's just it's the worst way to
Speaker 1: It's the worst thing we could ever do. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things I don't like, but I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna automatically hate everything. There's a couple of things
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, that's cool. I like that. I
Speaker 1: know you wanted to mention women in combat roles and
Speaker 1: that's another thing that you think needs to change. So
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to hear your take on it
Speaker 1: because you get so many different answers on this and
Speaker 1: we bring it up on the show. Well it's again
Speaker 1: and they're talking about women being and part of the draft.
Speaker 1: Now that's like a really big debate, and that's why
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about it was that they're they're
Speaker 1: talking about I think a lawsuit just happened from someone
Speaker 1: to have women be part of the selector Service, to
Speaker 1: be drafted and just have to sign up for Selective Service.
Speaker 1: I don't want going, Yeah why not? And I said,
Speaker 1: I want I want the doors to be open to
Speaker 1: all opportunities that women the doors open to go try
Speaker 1: out for the Seals. Now there might not be a
Speaker 1: lot for whatever reasons. And upper body strength would be
Speaker 1: an easy thing because and like I said on a
Speaker 1: couple other shows that the Seal team mission is climbing
Speaker 1: up this little caving ladder. It's like it's like eight inches,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a small ladder. And now you're going
Speaker 1: off that, you know, carrying forty pounds in your back
Speaker 1: and you're going up you know, forty to sixty ft
Speaker 1: and uh so the test for that is pull ups,
Speaker 1: you know, a really easy, you know test. If you
Speaker 1: can do twenty pull ups while you have you know,
Speaker 1: forty pounds in your back, then right on you can
Speaker 1: try out and go be a seal and that should
Speaker 1: be different test. And so would you want to be
Speaker 1: a seal? Do forty you know, do the pull offs
Speaker 1: with forty what forty pounds in your back? And if
Speaker 1: you can do that, then okay, the door is open,
Speaker 1: come on, let's try it out. I would also think
Speaker 1: women could get into certain places that we could use.
Speaker 1: There's certain things that they're just better at. You know.
Speaker 1: We've had Dan Gordon on the podcast before, whose former
Speaker 1: ride yet Sniper, and he was saying all the video
Speaker 1: surveillance is done by women and they're just better at
Speaker 1: it and they do an amazing job with it. So
Speaker 1: I would think there's certain roles that they're just going
Speaker 1: to be better at than men. Maybe not the physicality,
Speaker 1: and it would be an anomaly one who is But yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's that's one job in the Seals. But there's
Speaker 1: tons of other jobs and it should just be the
Speaker 1: doors open to everything. But here's the qualifications. If you
Speaker 1: meet these qualifications, you meet these standards, Dan right on,
Speaker 1: you're part of the team. And it's not going to
Speaker 1: be based on gender. It doesn't matter. And I think
Speaker 1: that we keep looking at the cone in days or
Speaker 1: World War one, world War two. We're looking at all
Speaker 1: these things where you have to be this giant, beefy
Speaker 1: dude to swing a sword. It's like, well, do you
Speaker 1: have to be conan to fly a drone? If you're
Speaker 1: sitting out there in a in an office here in
Speaker 1: America where is where they're flying the drones out of
Speaker 1: So if you're sitting in the office space, you have
Speaker 1: heard the same thing. They it's a lot of fun
Speaker 1: being I'll go to Vegas and fly some drones and
Speaker 1: then go see. Uh, you know Teller and what is
Speaker 1: the penal? I was flying drones early today. Now I'm
Speaker 1: watching Penn and Teller. Apparently some of these guys are
Speaker 1: getting like PTSD from the drug. I was one. I
Speaker 1: was a drunk. I flew them. So yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: definitely you think it's a video game. But then because
Speaker 1: you know this is real, it's definitely you're separated from it.
Speaker 1: But it's it's all you know, it's real. It's different
Speaker 1: than a video game, for sure. But you don't need
Speaker 1: to be conan to fly those drones. You're sitting there
Speaker 1: in Vegas and there's a there's a million jobs in
Speaker 1: the military that you don't have to be you know,
Speaker 1: the Barbara in you know what it doesn't Seal teams, yeah,
Speaker 1: special Forces, yeah, rangers. Yeah, there's me a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of jobs. And it's like, yeah, there's gonna be these
Speaker 1: qualifications and to be very stringent. But I would love
Speaker 1: to see the military open up the doors, you know,
Speaker 1: even wider. If you have someone I have friends in
Speaker 1: a wheelchair, they're disabled, you know, and uh, there's a
Speaker 1: ton of job that they can do. They could be
Speaker 1: sitting there in Vegas flying a drone, and if they're
Speaker 1: the best drone pilot, I don't care if you're in
Speaker 1: a wheelchair or you know you're overweight. You might weigh
Speaker 1: three hundred pounds, but you're the best person to do
Speaker 1: cyber warfare, then right, I don't want you to do
Speaker 1: that because you're not. That's the thing. Even on shipboards.
Speaker 1: On ships, there's certain things that you have to be
Speaker 1: able to do to move around a shift during general
Speaker 1: quarters and everything else, especially on sybrands also, so there
Speaker 1: are definitely standards if you are in those positions. But
Speaker 1: if you're back here doing cyber warfare in a giant
Speaker 1: building in the middle of Virginia, then who cares. I
Speaker 1: don't care how much you weigh, what gender you are,
Speaker 1: what color you are, what religion you are. What If
Speaker 1: you're the best to do in cyber or you either
Speaker 1: best of doing the drowns, you're the best of doing
Speaker 1: this or that, then why can't you be a part
Speaker 1: of the military. You make a great point. Do you
Speaker 1: think we have to look at it differently? For sure? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think what you're saying makes complete sense. Um, do
Speaker 1: you think women in the seals, for example, would open
Speaker 1: the door though, to sexual harassment or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, you're speculating something that it could, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know. I mean I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know any of it ocditionally just male experience and
Speaker 1: you throw a woman in the mix, you know, and
Speaker 1: you here about what goes on in navy ships and yeah,
Speaker 1: but also the Seals is such a small group of people.
Speaker 1: You're talking about you know, twelve too, you know, sixteen
Speaker 1: people on a team, you know, on a flatoon, and uh,
Speaker 1: you're so tight that I don't think anybody could get
Speaker 1: away with that. I think it's too small of a
Speaker 1: group and they're too tight, and they're in such close
Speaker 1: quarters and always around each other that I don't think
Speaker 1: that there would be a possibility that you could ever
Speaker 1: get away with something like that makes sense, you know,
Speaker 1: although as we we know the Seals are, you know,
Speaker 1: some would say getting away with a lot of like
Speaker 1: crazy things that have been in the news, So you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, we don't know. I don't a
Speaker 1: lot of that. I don't really believe. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of that's also kind of and I was gonna
Speaker 1: say trumped up, but I don't even know if I'm
Speaker 1: allowed to say that anymore. I mean, I would love
Speaker 1: to hear your take on that, but it just seems
Speaker 1: like the Gallagher thing. And you know, I think I
Speaker 1: don't know all the facts about Eddie Gallagher. You know,
Speaker 1: I know he's a great dude and I would fight
Speaker 1: for him just off that fact alone. That I think
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of people who get kind of
Speaker 1: bitter and our memories are weird and you start remembering
Speaker 1: something to go, yeah, yeah that happened. Because I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what, I don't remember a lot of stuff I
Speaker 1: did when I was over in Afghanistan. You know, we
Speaker 1: just kind of blocked stuff out. It's a weird case though,
Speaker 1: because you know, as you're saying, he's a great dude,
Speaker 1: but what about this. You know, these aren't guys outside
Speaker 1: the military testifying against him. These are fellow seals saying
Speaker 1: this is what he did. So I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: those guys are great too, and I don't want it.
Speaker 1: It's hard to take one guy's side over another. And
Speaker 1: if they're if they're telling the truth then and to
Speaker 1: be done. That's the rub, you know, is did they
Speaker 1: have an actor? Ground are they trying to do something.
Speaker 1: Is it just like the chief that they hated because
Speaker 1: he made him live out of these two pair of bags,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And now they have an
Speaker 1: actor ground. Now they're saying, well, and something happened, and
Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, it was kind of messed up,
Speaker 1: but it's not it's not something to hang somebody over.
Speaker 1: You know. I don't I don't have the facts, and
Speaker 1: I don't know no, and I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't either. And I think that's the problem is
Speaker 1: we keep doing King draction and we're jumping on the
Speaker 1: bandwagon of you know, innocent or guilty, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: I can't tell you innocent or guilty, tell you a
Speaker 1: good dude. And I would fight for him, Yeah, I hear.
Speaker 1: And that's that's all I would leave it at, is
Speaker 1: that if he wants my help, I'll go to help him.
Speaker 1: I'd also like to see some of the some of
Speaker 1: the facts, and I would like to, but I don't
Speaker 1: think that any of us are ever kinna. You know,
Speaker 1: they can keep that in a closed court and then
Speaker 1: we're all going to sit out here and wonder, you know,
Speaker 1: what's the real truth. So what's what's next for you?
Speaker 1: I know, you gotta take an air fashion stuff. It's
Speaker 1: such a weird departure from what you or that's also
Speaker 1: the cool thing about it was that it's kind of unexpected.
Speaker 1: But it also says that, but that's liberty, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a availability, or it's the don't limit
Speaker 1: my life, don't put limit on me that because I
Speaker 1: used to be a conan, you know, I was a
Speaker 1: barbarian that I can't do something I'm not. I'll never
Speaker 1: be a barbie, but but I don't want to. I
Speaker 1: want to be able to do whatever I want. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what America kind of offers us also
Speaker 1: as it's that opportunity to do whatever, you know, to
Speaker 1: just live your life is as great as you can.
Speaker 1: And if you're working a job right now and you
Speaker 1: don't really like going to work, then why are you
Speaker 1: there because all other stuff you can do, you know,
Speaker 1: go retrain, Go retrain and go do that, or go
Speaker 1: get a different education, you know, go to school. There's
Speaker 1: gonna be a way for you to do it. So
Speaker 1: your job should not be you know, j O B
Speaker 1: should be fu N. You know, when you go to
Speaker 1: work and be like, yeah, I'm going back, this is awesome.
Speaker 1: I mean, you love your job. Do you feel like
Speaker 1: in some ways that CNN documentary was shot at a
Speaker 1: weird time, because I feel like, now you know, you're
Speaker 1: you're kind of more secure with where you're at and
Speaker 1: and this is who you've been for a while now.
Speaker 1: And the CNN thing was shot, you know, quite a
Speaker 1: few years back at this point. So they shot that
Speaker 1: in two thousand thirteen, and that was right when I
Speaker 1: was losing my job and everything was just going. It
Speaker 1: was all terrible. And I don't know the status of this,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you had some issues with your children, family,
Speaker 1: my sisters, you know, my parents. Everything was it's all
Speaker 1: messed up. My jobs, even cl team buddies, they're all WTF,
Speaker 1: and you know, what are you doing this? This doesn't
Speaker 1: any sense. Brandon was in there, and yeah, it was
Speaker 1: just it was definitely a weird time and I wish
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have done it. And yeah, I mean I'm
Speaker 1: not that. I'm not that public of a person and
Speaker 1: I'm not flashy. I mean I don't dress right now.
Speaker 1: I'm not a flashy person, am I? But I am
Speaker 1: going on fashion, that's what So I've kind of I've
Speaker 1: kind of accepted that that I'm in the public eye,
Speaker 1: and I want to take advantage of it in a
Speaker 1: way that i want to show the example that there's
Speaker 1: not going to be a limit that I can do
Speaker 1: that net now, and I'm able to do that, and
Speaker 1: I'm able to have some fun doing it. So I
Speaker 1: want kids growing up now to to know that America
Speaker 1: is bigger than what they think. America's bigger than what
Speaker 1: your teachers are telling you. America is bigger than what
Speaker 1: your parents are telling you. America is as big as
Speaker 1: you want it to be. And I just think that
Speaker 1: your we're like, we grow up in these places. Like
Speaker 1: you said, you're you're here in New York City, so
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that you're given the opportunities
Speaker 1: and adversity to see this and see that. And really,
Speaker 1: so you're rounder than somebody that was in Ohio, Oklahoma
Speaker 1: or somewhere else out there. And so I just want
Speaker 1: all those kids in the middle of the country that
Speaker 1: don't have the experience like this. Yeah, I mean, you
Speaker 1: don't want to see the example. At the same time,
Speaker 1: I think every place has its advantages. I've never gone
Speaker 1: hunting you know what I mean. I don't know, I'm
Speaker 1: saying an animal No, no, no, super disappointed. I mean,
Speaker 1: who on Long Island really goes hunted. It's pretty rare.
Speaker 1: It's you know, uh, and that's where I was, so
Speaker 1: so you know what I mean. I may have had
Speaker 1: a more um interesting experience in terms of meeting all
Speaker 1: different types of people, but in terms of like living
Speaker 1: off the land and all that, I I don't have
Speaker 1: the experience, you know. So I would like to go
Speaker 1: hunting at some point if I was able to like
Speaker 1: eat but you know, bicing or something like that. I
Speaker 1: grew up with this kid who was like super rich
Speaker 1: and his family does like that trophy hunting in Africa. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not exactly on board with that, but if it was
Speaker 1: about you know, like I think ending truphinghunting at this point,
Speaker 1: it would be kind of a good thing. It's it's
Speaker 1: pretty ridiculous. It's just like this rich people. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't really get the point because anybody can do it, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, you could have a baby, you know, it's endangered,
Speaker 1: runs are it's away, there's that lioness. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: like you just killed a magnificent creature for really no
Speaker 1: reason other than your own pleasure. I don't the appeal,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're eating you know, I eat animals
Speaker 1: as it is, and I mean we should all be aware.
Speaker 1: I saw that video of Joe Rogan when he talked
Speaker 1: about when he first started hunting, and he was like,
Speaker 1: I felt like, first time doing this. Either I'm going
Speaker 1: to become a vegan because I'm not comfortable with this,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm going to be comfortable with this, which
Speaker 1: he is. But more people, probably myself included, should you know,
Speaker 1: kind of pick that up. Yeah, advantage of disadvantage doesn't
Speaker 1: matter where you are. But I just think that we're
Speaker 1: still growing up in these closets. We're growing up in
Speaker 1: these little bubbles where people are kind of protected and
Speaker 1: I don't know that. No, you can look at this
Speaker 1: and there's an example of somebody that was a Navy
Speaker 1: seal and now she's a fashion model. She's doing that,
Speaker 1: and now you know the world is wide open and
Speaker 1: it can be whatever you want to make it. You
Speaker 1: can be closed minded and then have your little life
Speaker 1: sitting there, you know, chucking wood and a fire and
Speaker 1: vanta jerk. You can open mind up a little bit.
Speaker 1: You know, see the Granter world for what it is,
Speaker 1: amount of opportunity and a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: good stuff, a lot of good people. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I told you this, U, So when Lady Valor
Speaker 1: did come out, I think I mentioned this to you.
Speaker 1: So I was. I was actually living at my parents
Speaker 1: at the time, because, believe it or not, now I
Speaker 1: had my own room parents house, and I playing video games.
Speaker 1: I did have my own room. But believe it or not,
Speaker 1: like you know, you don't make like that much in radio,
Speaker 1: at least where I was at at the time. But
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm doing fine now. But my mom heard
Speaker 1: about Lady Valor and heard the interview with you and
Speaker 1: everything and wanted to watch with me the night that
Speaker 1: it came out. So, you know, I knew that the
Speaker 1: film was done because I knew Jake's Wigg we were
Speaker 1: just talking about so I talked about it on the shows.
Speaker 1: A great guy too, I'll do anything for him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I assumed everything was in the can and it
Speaker 1: was gonna be the same exact documentary that Jake's Wig watched,
Speaker 1: and we put it on and then there's that opening
Speaker 1: scene where you're in the in the car listening to
Speaker 1: the radio and it's got someone interviewing you about your wife,
Speaker 1: and my mom turns to me and it was was
Speaker 1: that was that you speaking just there? And it honestly
Speaker 1: didn't hit me because I had no idea that that
Speaker 1: my voice was going to be used on the film.
Speaker 1: And I actually, I don't know if that was you
Speaker 1: or who made that happen, but I really appreciate it
Speaker 1: because it's like something I put on my resume now,
Speaker 1: is that my voice was on CNN for this documentary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had no I never told me that. I thought
Speaker 1: I did, but I swear it was should have made
Speaker 1: you buy me a cup of coffee on the way.
Speaker 1: I had some freaking coffee. I definitely will um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a weird experience because I didn't notice it
Speaker 1: was my own voice. My mom noticed. It's kind of
Speaker 1: stre because it was just unexpected. Yeah, and now people
Speaker 1: can still buy it, I think on DVD and yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was on Netflix, and I think it took
Speaker 1: it off Netflix, and it was on Hulu, and I
Speaker 1: think it's still might beyond. I know it's still on Amazon,
Speaker 1: so if you have Amazon Prime, you can still find it.
Speaker 1: So it's it's weird because I do you have a
Speaker 1: weird reaction watching it now? Or Yeah, there's all kinds
Speaker 1: of scenes and I'm like, oh god, I wish I
Speaker 1: was like wearing something different or I said something different.
Speaker 1: And it was it was two thousand thirteen, you know,
Speaker 1: and I was new in that world, you know, of
Speaker 1: CNN and LGBT and all the other stuff. And I
Speaker 1: was very naive and I didn't know. I didn't know
Speaker 1: a lot, and so I was speaking from a position
Speaker 1: of naive diddy, you know, how's that word that's kind
Speaker 1: of French. I was speaking from a position and I
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't have all information. I have all the facts.
Speaker 1: I didn't have the experience either, And so there's a
Speaker 1: lot of things I was talking about that I just
Speaker 1: wish I could have. I could have said it a
Speaker 1: little differently. It's probably still good though, one that it
Speaker 1: captures a moment in time, but yeah, this is this
Speaker 1: is where you were at that time. And then taking
Speaker 1: emails all the time about that movie. Yeah, about people
Speaker 1: that I say they watched it and it just motivated him.
Speaker 1: It just wanted to make them a better person, you know.
Speaker 1: And a guy in a Louisiana. He wrote to me.
Speaker 1: He was like, Hey, I'm a uh, I'm a straight
Speaker 1: white guy. I'm kind of a redneck, you know. And
Speaker 1: and I used to beat up queers all the time,
Speaker 1: you know, and but I saw your movie and I
Speaker 1: won't beat anybody up anymore. It was like opening his
Speaker 1: mind enough. That was just like, hey, there's people out
Speaker 1: there that are different, and we're just trying to live
Speaker 1: our life. You know, we don't do anything to you,
Speaker 1: weren't gonna harm you. It's not any it has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with you. And so why are there's people
Speaker 1: out there beating people up? Because it was something that
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with him. And that was the
Speaker 1: point was and that was the great point that he
Speaker 1: brought up. Also just in his kind of weird way,
Speaker 1: you know, he was saying thank you, you know, he said, hey, thanks,
Speaker 1: you opened my mind, and I'm I'm not gonna I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna do that anymore, becase it don't many sense.
Speaker 1: It sounds like the door could be open. I guess
Speaker 1: to like a part two if you in the fashion
Speaker 1: world now, because it's I mean, you're doing something completely different.
Speaker 1: There is a movie in works. Okay, So there's and
Speaker 1: that's something that I've even working on now for a
Speaker 1: couple of years. I am not gonna lie. This flies
Speaker 1: in the base of like I don't like being in
Speaker 1: the public eye, but I still don't. But and I
Speaker 1: guess I'll be like kind of a anti hero, like
Speaker 1: I don't want him and I hate that word. It's
Speaker 1: it's well, we just said christ On who you mentioned,
Speaker 1: Chris Sparta. You always says the same thing, and it's like,
Speaker 1: but you do always wind up in the public eye. Bro. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But it's the thing. It's like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: let it. I don't want to let it alone because
Speaker 1: it's still not right. It's still not fixed. The mission
Speaker 1: is not done. And so as long as a mission
Speaker 1: is still there that I'm trying, I'm fine. For liberty,
Speaker 1: I am truly believe in American I believed that the
Speaker 1: statue of liberty out there, that bright light that she's
Speaker 1: holding that torch at tortures for every American. It's not
Speaker 1: just for the Republicans, and it's not just for the Democrats,
Speaker 1: and it's for everybody all in between. It's for all
Speaker 1: of us. And that's what I don't think that people understand,
Speaker 1: yet they don't really get it that there are protected
Speaker 1: classes of people, there are this, and that there are
Speaker 1: people that think that they deserve more liberties than I
Speaker 1: do because they're trying to take mine away through legal
Speaker 1: recourse or through uh what they say, or the church
Speaker 1: or education or that or that. You can bring up
Speaker 1: a hundred different ways that they're trying to do it,
Speaker 1: but they're always itching away, and they're always like nick nicknick,
Speaker 1: they're picking, and they're trying to take away my liberty
Speaker 1: and it really pisces me off. And that's why I'm
Speaker 1: probably more of a libertarian than I am a Democratic Republican,
Speaker 1: because I really believe I want a really small government.
Speaker 1: I want to maximize liberty, individual liberty. I want you
Speaker 1: to live the best life you can have more freedom
Speaker 1: than you could ever you know, ever possibly use. And
Speaker 1: I want that opportunity there for every American. And that's
Speaker 1: the true point of what every politician or should be
Speaker 1: fighting for. You don't fight for a party. You should
Speaker 1: be fighting for every American. And if you see a
Speaker 1: small group of Americans being left out, then how can
Speaker 1: you make sure that that that group of Americans is
Speaker 1: brought into default? And into the the running right towards
Speaker 1: your liberty. And that's really what I truly believe. And
Speaker 1: I know that right now we have did military transgender
Speaker 1: band going on. We have this going on. We have
Speaker 1: a going on. And just like I said, we don't
Speaker 1: want Conan anymore. We want that drone pilot in Vegas.
Speaker 1: We want that person doing cyber warfare. So who cares
Speaker 1: what gender somebody is? Who cares what colleges are or
Speaker 1: how much they wire? If you can do pull ups,
Speaker 1: I don't want you to do any pullups. Zero pull ups?
Speaker 1: Oh you can't do any pull ups? But yeah, right
Speaker 1: on your your cyber warfare. Awesome, Then that's what we want.
Speaker 1: The military needs to open up their minds and their
Speaker 1: eyes and know that Conan New Barbarian was a thing
Speaker 1: that have passed. And then we're doing a space for uce.
Speaker 1: Are you freaking kid me? When's the next time? Do
Speaker 1: you think we're gonna be fighting some aliens up there
Speaker 1: on the Moon and Mars or somebody down here on Earth?
Speaker 1: Do you really think that sending a rocket up there
Speaker 1: with the Space Marines is going to be what we need?
Speaker 1: If we had the cyber warfare actually is its own branch.
Speaker 1: What if you think about it would totally makes sense.
Speaker 1: Right now, we have stove pipes of cyber within the Army,
Speaker 1: within the Navy, within the Air Force, within every branch,
Speaker 1: within other branches of governments and the Department of Homeland Security.
Speaker 1: We have all these little segments of cyber And in
Speaker 1: the n s A and the CIA and all the
Speaker 1: other agencies, they all have their little cyber groups. And
Speaker 1: what do they do. They're all competing with each other
Speaker 1: computing resources. They're all stove pipes, are not really sharing
Speaker 1: and it's just a mess. So just like the Navy
Speaker 1: and the Army were the two big branches, and then
Speaker 1: they started breaking off because we said, hey, now we
Speaker 1: have airplanes and nineteen hundreds and now the Air Force
Speaker 1: was there and it was part of the Army up
Speaker 1: until you know what the late forties, and in the
Speaker 1: air Corps because the ash Army Air Forces. But that
Speaker 1: was how it happened, was that it was part of
Speaker 1: something else because we had now we had sky dominance,
Speaker 1: and now we had to actually make it its own
Speaker 1: branch because that, you know, that area of warfare was
Speaker 1: so significant that it needed to have to get out
Speaker 1: rid of all the stove pipes and stopped all this competition.
Speaker 1: So if everything else, bring it all under one roof.
Speaker 1: And that's what cyber needs to do. We need cyber warfare,
Speaker 1: cyber you know command to be its own branch equivalent
Speaker 1: to the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, and marines.
Speaker 1: Not the space force. That's ridiculous. It's a huge waste
Speaker 1: of money. Set up the cyber command first, and it
Speaker 1: goes into the global commons. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: know the global commons, but it's like oceans is a
Speaker 1: global common and needed the Navy to defend the Navy
Speaker 1: keep the open roots and have that, and that's why
Speaker 1: the Navy was made. And then in the old days
Speaker 1: of the giant warfare across the landmasses, that's the Army,
Speaker 1: and it's it's not really global common because of boundaries.
Speaker 1: But then you see a new global common would be
Speaker 1: you know, air and that's what we have the Air
Speaker 1: Force for and all that, and a global common of
Speaker 1: space and space is a global common, so we're eventually
Speaker 1: someday we might need to have a space force, but
Speaker 1: that's pretty far in the future. What's the other global
Speaker 1: common we keep forgetting is the Internet is a is
Speaker 1: a web, the interwebs, it's a global common I mean
Speaker 1: that's an area where's open warfare going on within the
Speaker 1: web and everything else. You know, we have people from
Speaker 1: Russia hack in American and going on a credit card
Speaker 1: fraud and all the other stuff that's a global commonent
Speaker 1: right now is the freaking worst than the wild wild
Speaker 1: West until we actually have a branch dedicated to just
Speaker 1: that under their own roof and all their own stuff
Speaker 1: and their own budget and Garrett of always though fives
Speaker 1: and all these little cross a little weird domains of
Speaker 1: competition everything else. Like, I don't fight for that, And
Speaker 1: it makes sense when I talked to you about this, right, So,
Speaker 1: the global commons of the interwebs is something that we
Speaker 1: need to try to I think. I think Andrew says
Speaker 1: the same. It always makes me to laugh when people
Speaker 1: say that, but that's it's an important thing that we
Speaker 1: need to let the politicians and let people start understanding.
Speaker 1: I think it's in the same room as him next
Speaker 1: time you're here or something that'd be pretty funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you guys would get Do you see that?
Speaker 1: Like he's a great guy, do you see the picture
Speaker 1: him with I don't like some of the stuff. He says.
Speaker 1: He works with them, and neither did I on a
Speaker 1: lot of it. Not always be respectful. I don't know. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's what the politicians also need to learn. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna argue with you. I'm gonna do and I
Speaker 1: think Andrew likes me. I think Andrew likes being a
Speaker 1: villain on something. He's like a villain, you know, on
Speaker 1: some level. But did you see the picture him with
Speaker 1: Caitlyn Jenner. It's hilarious. It's because Caitlyn Jenner just towering
Speaker 1: over like I'll show you I got a picture with
Speaker 1: it was me and Andrew there and Caitlyn Jenner has
Speaker 1: her arm on Andrew's shoulder and and figure his face.
Speaker 1: It's it's just a very I'll tell you what. I'm
Speaker 1: very fun. That's a person. I will never have a
Speaker 1: photo with Caitlyn Jenner. Yeah, so Andrew can have his
Speaker 1: fine picture with j It was it was interesting. Um,
Speaker 1: she was on the cover of Vanity Fair and her
Speaker 1: freaking underwear. But you know what, you would pisses me.
Speaker 1: You're on the same page with that. You guys both
Speaker 1: listening to woke out because the way that I met
Speaker 1: Caitlyn Jenner was I've told this story in the podcast before.
Speaker 1: Was Andrew was talking about the same stuff that you
Speaker 1: know you've called in before, you know about before. And
Speaker 1: I get a call on the hotline when I was
Speaker 1: working on the show, and this person was like, I
Speaker 1: want to chime in on this. This is Caitlyn Jenner.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, we're not gonna do
Speaker 1: any prank calls here. I'm gonna let you go. And
Speaker 1: then I get a call back, this is Caitlyn Jenner
Speaker 1: and I want to get on the air and uh,
Speaker 1: and I'm listening, I'm like, this honestly sounds a lot
Speaker 1: like Caitlyn Jenner and uh, and Caitlyn is saying, asked
Speaker 1: me anything about myself, Like, I'll tell you whatever you
Speaker 1: need to know. You know, I don't know what I
Speaker 1: need to do to prove it's me. And I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the area code and I'm googling the area code
Speaker 1: and I think it's like it's like Hollywood, California. And
Speaker 1: then Kate when went in the air with Andrew, they
Speaker 1: debated about stuff. And Andrew came back in the control
Speaker 1: room and He's like, dude, I think we're getting pumped.
Speaker 1: I think we're getting pranked. This is this makes me
Speaker 1: look like an idiot. He's like, I, I I don't
Speaker 1: think that was really Kate When Jenner called, but Mike
Speaker 1: the producer had to contact the TMZ and was like,
Speaker 1: could you run the phone number? And sure enough, that's
Speaker 1: who it was. So you guys both listen to Andrew
Speaker 1: wikale parent. I flipped between a Patriot and Fox and
Speaker 1: CNN and in Potus channel, so I'm always like flipping
Speaker 1: to the channel and hopefully podcast U. Yeah, the podcast Jounkie.
Speaker 1: I listened to him all the time. I think I'm
Speaker 1: one of the few we've worked in terrestrial, satellite and podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of cool to know all three different you know,
Speaker 1: Genner listen to Radio Lab. I know of it. Radio
Speaker 1: Lab is probably hands down one of the best podcasts.
Speaker 1: What Joe Rogan? That's awesome? Do you know Rogan? Just
Speaker 1: did I think it was like four hours with Alex Jones.
Speaker 1: Let's I was listening to that. Yeah, it was like,
Speaker 1: I have to listen to this. It's just I don't
Speaker 1: know it's too especially because Alex Jones has been like
Speaker 1: attacking Rogan's. I was surprised to see him on them.
Speaker 1: So to finish up the case, Jenner, thing why I'm
Speaker 1: so angry, okay, was that and I didn't want to
Speaker 1: talk about any trans enders kind of you brought up
Speaker 1: transgender I'm just trying to talk about the military and
Speaker 1: China did anyway. I just I don't think that you
Speaker 1: understand about women and about the stereotypes of fetish and
Speaker 1: you know, being an object and doing all that, and
Speaker 1: then she goes on to cover of Vanity Fair in
Speaker 1: our underwear, you know what I mean. I just think
Speaker 1: it's just like all she did was just bring all
Speaker 1: the stereotypes right to the forefront, that we are like
Speaker 1: a sexual object and it's about fetish and it's about
Speaker 1: the clothing. It's about that. But I don't get the
Speaker 1: family that Caitlin is a part of that. And that's
Speaker 1: another reason why I would want a picture with her,
Speaker 1: because it's all about the Kardashian it's all this, it's
Speaker 1: all money and it's all this glam and do all that,
Speaker 1: and then there I am doing silly fashion stuff. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, again, I've got maybe I'm not even an oxymoron.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll with the moron. I don't know, but it's
Speaker 1: just I just don't I want the stereotypes to be broken,
Speaker 1: you know, in a good way, and not by promoting
Speaker 1: the stereotypes of that. And it really makes me kind
Speaker 1: of upset. And so I had Vanity Fair asking me
Speaker 1: to do a photo shoot, and I did a photo
Speaker 1: shoot with Vanity Fair. But I told him, I said
Speaker 1: right up, and I said, I'm not gonna wear anything
Speaker 1: that's I'm gonna wear jeans and a T shirt. And
Speaker 1: they're like, well, that's what you want to do, okay.
Speaker 1: And so I had jeans and a T shirt and
Speaker 1: a cowboy hat on, you know, because I have a
Speaker 1: ranch with cattle and everything else, so I really do
Speaker 1: have cowboy hats, and I wish At the same time,
Speaker 1: I feel like that's just trying to make it opposite.
Speaker 1: I was just like, no, I want this to be
Speaker 1: totally you know, respectful, but I think, you know, on
Speaker 1: some level, that's you, and that might be who Kate
Speaker 1: one is, you know, I don't think Kate Win is
Speaker 1: someone who's going a cowboy at jeans and a T shirt.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm being a little harshot I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I really don't. I will cover.
Speaker 1: I don't want the kids growing up thinking that this
Speaker 1: is fetish and I don't want you know, dudes they're
Speaker 1: young thinking that it's a sexual object, you know, or
Speaker 1: that this person is this, or that it's like there
Speaker 1: has to be more of a of respect, you know.
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't want to promote the fact that this
Speaker 1: is a out you know, sex or objectivity or anything
Speaker 1: else like that, because that's totally opposent what it really
Speaker 1: is about. I just wish she wouldn't have promoted the
Speaker 1: fact that that's what that's the stereotype. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: gets me the most upset. Well, wrapping pisces me off.
Speaker 1: They kept saying. They kept saying, yeah, because I just
Speaker 1: and it shouldn't be reserved, because you can't you can't
Speaker 1: say that Heroes is just a military or Courage is
Speaker 1: just a military, because it's not. It's not at all.
Speaker 1: But they kept saying about hero and LGBT hero and
Speaker 1: all this other stuff. And it was like, right when
Speaker 1: she first came out, and I was like, well, she
Speaker 1: hadn't done anyth yet. All she did was just walk
Speaker 1: out the door. You know, how about we just give
Speaker 1: her some time before you start using that word, you know,
Speaker 1: saying she's a hero of this community. You know, let's
Speaker 1: give it a year or so until she does some
Speaker 1: stuff for the community that promotes the fact that, hey,
Speaker 1: you can't just have somebody walk out of door and
Speaker 1: say hey, you're a hero because he walked out of door. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll have to. I'll send you a picture of Andrew
Speaker 1: with Caitlin just so that you see it. So it's
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Speaker 1: or Instagram or those that I have my Facebook page. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you can look up chief back, but it's
Speaker 1: easy to find me if you want to. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: add Valor for us. I mean that's really how I
Speaker 1: saw you were in New York. I just hit you
Speaker 1: up on there and I was glad you got back
Speaker 1: to me. I mean, you know, it's funny. I have
Speaker 1: to record another episode right after this, so I was like,
Speaker 1: I'll record a short one with Christian. We went nearly
Speaker 1: an hour and a half here flew by. I know,
Speaker 1: what do we talk about? Do we talk about anything good?
Speaker 1: I hopefully so. I think we got into a whole
Speaker 1: lot of territory. You know, I think we covered everything
Speaker 1: that you wanted to. Uh, there's anything else. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just think that the parting the parting point should
Speaker 1: be the individual liberty. Are you defending it? Are you
Speaker 1: taking it away? You know? And another thing might just
Speaker 1: be you know, you can't judge a book by to cover,
Speaker 1: but you can read a couple of chapters in that
Speaker 1: book and kind of get a pretty good idea. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't have to read the whole book, but just
Speaker 1: be a little more open minded to just take a
Speaker 1: look at the person and what do they really about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming in, and the audience should appreciate this
Speaker 1: because as you're hearing this, I'm in Florida. I was
Speaker 1: going to make the best of you. Guys are probably
Speaker 1: gonna break my balls and be like I've already heard
Speaker 1: all this. Now they have a new episode thanks to you.
Speaker 1: So this will be up in uh, you know, a
Speaker 1: few weeks from when we're recording this, and I think
Speaker 1: people would dig it. I think it, uh yeah, as
Speaker 1: opposed to these media hits that you do where it's
Speaker 1: one big wine on t MZ or Business Insider, I
Speaker 1: think teams in. Yeah. I think this opens up, you know,
Speaker 1: a window and took who you are as a person,
Speaker 1: your military history. I think we covered a lot in
Speaker 1: this fast hour and now it's a little bit make
Speaker 1: it's think a little bit and just remember, can you
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