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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis. I am joining in a
Speaker 1: room filled with some heroes. Mark Sessler to my left,
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal to my right. What is up? Boys? Name?
Speaker 1: I well, this happened a lot, obviously during West's successful
Speaker 1: war against cancer, but I can't remember it's been or
Speaker 1: else since the the three amigos in the room we've
Speaker 1: been together here, how is everybody? Is that what we're
Speaker 1: calling ourselves? That's our name? Why not? It feels a
Speaker 1: little um. It's definitely more sounding a little too excited
Speaker 1: to Western. It's definitely like a popular dad movie, you know.
Speaker 1: And we're a bunch of dads. I think it's a
Speaker 1: little before our time. But speaking of being a bunch
Speaker 1: of dads, and Ricky, you brought it up right before
Speaker 1: we started. So the shield came back on Wednesday? Should
Speaker 1: let you guys know that we are one or know?
Speaker 1: At twenty three to twelve, Conquest over a dollar taco
Speaker 1: played more like taco um and very sore right now
Speaker 1: my body, so I am aging. I am almost thirty
Speaker 1: nine now. Ricky, though makes me feel better because young
Speaker 1: Erica Tampose also feeling some aches and paints from the opener.
Speaker 1: I am yeah. It's also just muscles you haven't used
Speaker 1: in a long, long, long time. Different muscles. So it's
Speaker 1: like I was getting out in my car and I
Speaker 1: lifted my leg to you know, swing out of my
Speaker 1: car and like the top of my thighs. I was like, what,
Speaker 1: I like how you describe that you swing your leg
Speaker 1: out of like you have a prosthetic or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. It's sprinting. You know, you're not doing a
Speaker 1: lot of sprinting in regular life. And when you score
Speaker 1: three runs, there's a lot of running around the base.
Speaker 1: Is that your biggest romp of all time? We've had
Speaker 1: games where we've put up runs like that, But it
Speaker 1: was a nice way to start the season. A lot
Speaker 1: of people. West played great. In fact, hit a home run,
Speaker 1: uh and got on basis he always does. We We
Speaker 1: really hit the ball well, fielded pretty well, and the
Speaker 1: pitching by Brooke was always good as always. Um And
Speaker 1: there's one issue and we're gonna get to it at
Speaker 1: the end of the show, and it's out side of
Speaker 1: Dollar Taco being in your league to begin with are
Speaker 1: you in the Are you even in the same league
Speaker 1: that you were in last time? We are in the
Speaker 1: same league. Yes, it seems very suspect. They are a
Speaker 1: new team and they have some hitters, but we took
Speaker 1: care of business. We there is some unfortunate softball related
Speaker 1: shield matters that we will hit at the end of
Speaker 1: the show. I'll just leave it. They're not everything was
Speaker 1: good on Wednesday night. Just like a little tease, let's
Speaker 1: just say that in this situation, Mark Sessler is not
Speaker 1: Ted Thompson like character falling asleep during meeting scenes of
Speaker 1: Wide Awake and ready to pounce. Uh, it's coming up
Speaker 1: on today's show. Yes, the mailback. We haven't opened it
Speaker 1: up in a few weeks. So we reached out to
Speaker 1: our wonderful, wonderful listeners of the podcast and you guys
Speaker 1: hit us up with a bunch of questions. So we'll
Speaker 1: answer some of those. But let's start with the news,
Speaker 1: and yes, the big news of the week and what's
Speaker 1: been a slow week in the NFL. Well, good job
Speaker 1: by Bleacher Report and Tyler Donne because they picked the
Speaker 1: perfect time to drop a bombshell about the Green Bay Packers. Well,
Speaker 1: then I guess there's only one thing left to do.
Speaker 1: What's that when the whole thing that's hip. That's that's
Speaker 1: Tom Barranger from Major League. That's what you want in
Speaker 1: a locker room. That's what the the shield has. We
Speaker 1: have expert leadership at top, up up at the top. Um.
Speaker 1: What about in the Packers locker room? Jake Taylor? His
Speaker 1: name was in Major League? Great movie? UM. The Packers
Speaker 1: Bleacher Report dropped a long, long, long study of what
Speaker 1: went on behind the scenes The Downfall, uh if an
Speaker 1: overall thesis of what was the thesis of this piece
Speaker 1: by Tyler Dunn. The Downfall of the Packers related the
Speaker 1: relationship between Mike McCarthy, Packers coach who got fired last December,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, and the overall feeling of a huge missed opportunity.
Speaker 1: What could have been a dynasty wasn't. Why was it
Speaker 1: the case? And uh, Mark will start with you here.
Speaker 1: There's the two principal characters here. Neither come off looking well.
Speaker 1: McCarthy who comes off as a guy who got complacent
Speaker 1: and lazy and misguided about why the team is successful.
Speaker 1: Uh right down to missing meetings to get massages, which
Speaker 1: he categorically denies, and then Aaron Rodgers, a superstar who
Speaker 1: does not know how to get along with other people,
Speaker 1: who is petulant, who is sensitive, and the Packers could
Speaker 1: not be functional with these two people at the center
Speaker 1: of the action. Yeah. I mean, this is one of
Speaker 1: those articles where suddenly Tyler Dunn does all the work.
Speaker 1: He uses every single b source, uh you know, avenue
Speaker 1: that he has used to be he was in the past,
Speaker 1: puts it out there and then you get everyone else
Speaker 1: commenting on it and wanting to get their tweets about
Speaker 1: his story liked and retweeted, because it's one of those
Speaker 1: things that just takes off and everyone has a point
Speaker 1: of view. It is a football story to me. The
Speaker 1: skeleton of it is about football to sundegree, but it
Speaker 1: it fits much more in like psychology today because it's
Speaker 1: about football to one degree. But it really was the
Speaker 1: study and it's said in the article it was well
Speaker 1: stated and arranged marriage that went totally south basically, And
Speaker 1: I came out of it's just fascinated to read how
Speaker 1: honest some of the source has got with him about
Speaker 1: what was going on behind the scenes. And I look
Speaker 1: at Aaron Rodgers, I don't know if I look at
Speaker 1: him differently because I think even on this show, we've
Speaker 1: always recognized that Aaron Rodgers is a little bit of
Speaker 1: an extra character, a little bit of a different dude.
Speaker 1: And to me, this was it clarified some of the
Speaker 1: stuff about Rogers that separates him a little bit from
Speaker 1: a Tom Brady. I look at him as someone who
Speaker 1: has been a chip on the shoulder type quarterback which
Speaker 1: can be used in a well in a very good way,
Speaker 1: and he has. But the mirror of that is I
Speaker 1: feel there's a bee line of an element of him
Speaker 1: that he takes a grudge and he holds onto it
Speaker 1: for a decade plus. I mean, we heard that he
Speaker 1: essentially had a grudge against Mike McCarthy from the minute
Speaker 1: they were put together, because Mike McCarthy with the Niners
Speaker 1: favored Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers. We all know about
Speaker 1: the draft day sit and wait for the Packers quarterback
Speaker 1: and then it never really got a whole lot better.
Speaker 1: And the thing that bothered me a little bit, and
Speaker 1: there's so much to get into here, was the immense
Speaker 1: amount of backbiting and backstabbing that happened from quarterback towards
Speaker 1: coach in this and also the coaching, losing his essentially,
Speaker 1: according to this article, his zeal to lead the team
Speaker 1: down the stretch. I think Rogers never, based on this article,
Speaker 1: fully bought into McCarthy's coaching, that he was ultimately helpful
Speaker 1: person in his career, and that's a I thought he
Speaker 1: was smarter than Michael. I mean, he probably is. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I don't think many people would doubt that, um,
Speaker 1: but the fact that that relationship was so toxic throughout
Speaker 1: is is a shame. I mean, it's it's a bummer.
Speaker 1: And my immediate thought reading this and they hit on
Speaker 1: it towards the end, is like the Packers struggled here
Speaker 1: because they don't have an owner. They're in a unique spot. Now.
Speaker 1: Now there's a lot of NFL owners out there that
Speaker 1: maybe wouldn't have, uh the ability or the gravitas or
Speaker 1: the wherewithal to step in and fix this situation anyways,
Speaker 1: but the Packers literally don't have an owner. They did.
Speaker 1: But even but even during a lot of this, especially
Speaker 1: early on, that president figure Mark Murphy was not as
Speaker 1: powerful and not as upfront as he is now. That's
Speaker 1: that position has taken some um transition over the years.
Speaker 1: They did have a general manager, and so maybe it
Speaker 1: was on Ted Thompson to step in because ultimately McCarthy,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, some of the things that stuck
Speaker 1: out to me was McCarthy had to understand that his
Speaker 1: relationship with Rodgers was the most important thing, and he
Speaker 1: never was able to address that, and ultimately Rodgers was
Speaker 1: never going anywhere. He's one of the greatest quarterbacks ever.
Speaker 1: So if this is the problem like that needed to
Speaker 1: be addressed, quicker, either it's sitting them to two of
Speaker 1: them down or it's getting rid of McCarthy quicker, I
Speaker 1: mean it does. It does remind you about the NFC
Speaker 1: Championship in that not only did he run the ball
Speaker 1: three straight times before punting it back to the Seahawks
Speaker 1: and not not cut Brandon Bostick, but he kicked field
Speaker 1: goals on the one yard line two different times. And
Speaker 1: it's just like a reminder of like, that's the type
Speaker 1: of thing that drove Aaron Rodgers, I think crazy over
Speaker 1: the years. I think there's a lot of different ways
Speaker 1: to view how the Aaron Rodgers comes off, but there's
Speaker 1: not as many different ways to view how McCarthy comes off.
Speaker 1: It's crazy to think that you know, the Jets were
Speaker 1: reportedly interested in Mike McCarthy. There was whispers that Cleveland
Speaker 1: is that if you were a team right now saddle
Speaker 1: with Mike McCarthy and this article came out as a fan,
Speaker 1: you'd be concerned because he comes across as someone that
Speaker 1: to your point, right, the fact that he was stuck
Speaker 1: around for so long almost immediately outmoded as a strategist,
Speaker 1: that the big artist, the biggest. It seemed like there
Speaker 1: were factions in this article the way there are when
Speaker 1: these things come out, where there were certain Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: people who had issues with Aaron Rodgers the person, and
Speaker 1: then there were others who felt like that it said
Speaker 1: that people sympathize with Aaron Rodgers for being stuck in
Speaker 1: an offense that never evolved. People from the league. I've
Speaker 1: been talking about that for years, that they're the most predictable,
Speaker 1: kind of basic and it's not here, not of to
Speaker 1: be because he's been calling them out for not adjusting
Speaker 1: type offense. So that you can watch that and you
Speaker 1: can see that. Then again, you also, you know, the
Speaker 1: stuff about Rodgers doesn't mean it's not true. Like you've heard,
Speaker 1: You've heard a lot of stories behind the scenes, like Hill,
Speaker 1: someone will write something early on in their days as
Speaker 1: a beat writer of the Packers that Rodgers didn't like
Speaker 1: and he won't speak to them for the rest of
Speaker 1: their time there in Green Bay. So like that's that's
Speaker 1: part of it. And I think a voice like James Jones,
Speaker 1: who works for our network and immediately kind of came
Speaker 1: out and was like, that's not the Aaron Rodgers I know,
Speaker 1: Like the one I know like a hundred percent is
Speaker 1: a leader that we followed that like, we we like
Speaker 1: that relationship. It does not seem like Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 1: necessarily a guy that's going to get everyone on the
Speaker 1: same page. But I think if he respects you, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people that that have no problem with Aaron. Well.
Speaker 1: The strongest voice in this I thought was Ryan Grant,
Speaker 1: and he came out hard on Rogers, but Ryan Grant
Speaker 1: has not been with the team for half a decade plus.
Speaker 1: I think with why articles like this are so great
Speaker 1: is this is all stuff that's been kind of under
Speaker 1: the radar and people that were close at all new
Speaker 1: And I think that's why Mike McCarthy, for instance, the
Speaker 1: Jets interviewed him but never gave him any serious thought.
Speaker 1: From what I heard behind the scenes, nobody else really
Speaker 1: took interest in him, because this was all stuff that
Speaker 1: was out there, like within football circles that McCarthy had
Speaker 1: lost his zeal, that he kind of had lost the
Speaker 1: respect of Aaron Rodgers and Rogers. To me is the
Speaker 1: thing that I took the most interest in to this,
Speaker 1: and quite frankly, was disappointing to read a lot of
Speaker 1: the things about his inability to connect with the young players,
Speaker 1: how how hard he rode um young players as young
Speaker 1: wide receivers, the the way people were scratching their heads, like,
Speaker 1: how can he just cut people out of his life
Speaker 1: and not ever think about there's no kind of going
Speaker 1: back once you do that. He he has no relationship
Speaker 1: with his own family, Mike McCarthy, and it's a obviously
Speaker 1: not a great relationship that they ever had going back to.
Speaker 1: For some reason, Rogers put it on McCarthy that the Niners,
Speaker 1: you know, picked Alex Smith ahead of him, that Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy preferred Alex like that he I mean, listen, that
Speaker 1: was just a football decision, but he kept that with him.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy tried to have a dinner and and tell
Speaker 1: Aaron like, maybe you know, reach out to your mom.
Speaker 1: And Aaron Rodgers was not having any of it. And
Speaker 1: there is two sides of the story. And it's good
Speaker 1: to hear guys like James Jones who say the other
Speaker 1: the other side, that this is he was a leader.
Speaker 1: But you hear a lot here. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: smoke here that I buy into that Rogers is a
Speaker 1: major problem, that why they haven't won the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: since two thousand and ten. And I do worry about
Speaker 1: and we and we briefly spoke. We did an interview
Speaker 1: with Matt la Floor at the owner's meetings. He was
Speaker 1: not consulted Rogers before Flora was hired. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that was a smart move honestly internally with that
Speaker 1: organization the way what they know about Rogers and I
Speaker 1: And he's around the same age as Aaron Rodgers. If
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers thought he was smarter than Mike McCarthy and
Speaker 1: elder who had been in a legal long time, I
Speaker 1: wonder how that relationship is going to go with a
Speaker 1: young young guy of first year coach. It's a dicey situation. Well,
Speaker 1: they said I found it interesting It's like Rogers is
Speaker 1: the type that wants to be challenged on some level
Speaker 1: that felt they felt you know, the part where Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy felt threatened by Alex van Pelt, who had a relationship,
Speaker 1: you know, quarterbacks coach with a lot of people thought
Speaker 1: highly of. You could sort of see that even in
Speaker 1: the way that McCarthy talked and carried himself, that he
Speaker 1: got his own ego involved there. And I think Rodgers
Speaker 1: is gonna want to coach that he feels like he's
Speaker 1: adding to him and he probably never felt that with McCarthy.
Speaker 1: And and whether that's right or wrong, Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: the organization to me would have had to step up.
Speaker 1: But you do wonder because some of these rookies are
Speaker 1: talking about they're still on the team, like the part
Speaker 1: about Equinminius st Brown and Marcus Valda scantling getting frozen
Speaker 1: out for you know, or struggling with not knowing what
Speaker 1: to do because should I listen to Rodgers and run
Speaker 1: the route that he wants me to run hot in
Speaker 1: the middle, or should I listen to the coach and
Speaker 1: should I cover for the And yes, that's terrible, terrible
Speaker 1: look for Aaron Rodgers that he would put these young
Speaker 1: guys in that position where you can't win either way.
Speaker 1: And if you're a young guy trying to establish yourself
Speaker 1: in the league, like you gotta know better, you gotta
Speaker 1: be a better leader than that. That said, like you know,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is certainly run off like a million wide
Speaker 1: receivers over the league, you know, over the years on
Speaker 1: New England that couldn't get up to speed, but including
Speaker 1: a lot of young ones. I'm not I'm not saying,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's part of it's tricky. You gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta find the right line. But like that's part
Speaker 1: of being the quarterback on some left. I think the
Speaker 1: difference with the young receivers and Green Bay being caught
Speaker 1: in the middle of coaches demands and the idea that
Speaker 1: they talked about Daron Rodgers when you're out, you're out
Speaker 1: with him, and that means on the field, potentially, that
Speaker 1: means off the field, that's pure dysfunction and it's kind
Speaker 1: of just beguiling. This relationship lasted his life, That's what
Speaker 1: I mean. That's why the ownership thing was the first
Speaker 1: thing that came to my mind was like, Wow, this
Speaker 1: went on for way too long, and you can put
Speaker 1: some fault on Rogers or not, you know, obviously yes,
Speaker 1: some of it, but either way, like someone had to
Speaker 1: be stepping he was changing a third of the plays
Speaker 1: by last year desert the brutal. If McCarthy read this,
Speaker 1: this is one where it's like they say, don't read
Speaker 1: It's like, I hope Mike McCarthy didn't read this because
Speaker 1: it would be brutal, like like his low football i
Speaker 1: Q was was questioned a few times. Uh, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if anyone is like standing on the table
Speaker 1: and backing him. And the part where they're like Rogers
Speaker 1: has kind of turned into far which is like the
Speaker 1: thing he didn't want to be is really, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of fascinating. And I thought the kicker in this
Speaker 1: article was near the end, and you kept thinking it
Speaker 1: was going to come to the end, and then there
Speaker 1: was another chunky, large anecdote coming up. You But when
Speaker 1: Mark Murphy basically pulled Aaron Rodgers aside, when Matt Lafleur
Speaker 1: was hired without Aaron Rodgers, consultants do not get in
Speaker 1: the way, you do not be the problem. That was
Speaker 1: kind of the most breathtaking moment by the way, I
Speaker 1: mean that he that is such a concern, like because
Speaker 1: Rogers has the power to blow everything up, but he's
Speaker 1: so powerful in that organization, perhaps too powerful, and I wonder,
Speaker 1: I guess, but I would I would say to that
Speaker 1: Mark Murphy, you should have said that you go or
Speaker 1: had had I don't know. It's a tricky like literally
Speaker 1: back in the day, it was very confusing who was
Speaker 1: even running in the pack And eventually it's sort of
Speaker 1: turned into like, I don't know that. I just feel
Speaker 1: like Ted Thompson, who is you know, deep out of
Speaker 1: the picture at this point. He did not come across
Speaker 1: well at all because he's obviously on the attached and
Speaker 1: physically unwell. Yeah, and like the modern day fan is like,
Speaker 1: please be active in free agency, and I think there's
Speaker 1: voices within the organization saying, please build a team around
Speaker 1: what should be a team going to the super Bowl,
Speaker 1: please add add parts and they talk about him falling
Speaker 1: asleep and means I think the thing is with the NFL.
Speaker 1: The more you hear the stuff that we we don't
Speaker 1: hear as much as certain people obviously, but when you
Speaker 1: hear little anecdotes that you can never go to air
Speaker 1: with some of them are stunning, and you're just like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, this is the most human business because
Speaker 1: some of the f ups behind the scenes and the
Speaker 1: in fighting and the lack of responsibility and accountability, and
Speaker 1: it came forth in this article for multiple people and
Speaker 1: in the massage you know story, I even he put
Speaker 1: you know, the writer Tyler Dunn cast some doubt about that,
Speaker 1: but I think he made a good point putting out
Speaker 1: like the point was that the team, that there were
Speaker 1: large sections of the team that believed that whether it
Speaker 1: was whether it was true or not, whether that happened
Speaker 1: one time that he was getting the massage, the fact
Speaker 1: that large sections of the team believe that, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm still I guess I'm an Aaron Rodgers you know
Speaker 1: fan ultimately, And yes, this is disappointing, but I do
Speaker 1: just wish there was like another world where he had
Speaker 1: a strong offensive coach and mind that he respected, that
Speaker 1: he played with previously, and that Matt Lafleur is that guy.
Speaker 1: Because we'll have to see if Matt Lafer is that guy.
Speaker 1: Packers fans have had it really easy. I've always killed
Speaker 1: him for that that you've gone from far to Rogers.
Speaker 1: It's been one thing. But if you read this, I
Speaker 1: have feel for Packers fans because it really feels like
Speaker 1: two or three Super Bowl rings were lost in the
Speaker 1: mix here. And it's kind of like when Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: is telling Greg Jennings after speaking to Carlos Rogers about
Speaker 1: you know, this is probably my contract year and and
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers simply saying, go get out of here.
Speaker 1: You're not coming back, and like you're done with him.
Speaker 1: When you're done with him, you're done. That's there's a
Speaker 1: good side to that, maybe, but there's definitely a negative
Speaker 1: when he's your team leader in the in the sun
Speaker 1: that everyone orbits around. My final thoughts spinning forward is
Speaker 1: I just wonder, based on what you read in that
Speaker 1: article and the general feeling around Aaron Rodgers circa two
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen, he says he wants to be challenged. He
Speaker 1: says he needs somebody or or that that's how he
Speaker 1: would work best, how this team would work best. I'm
Speaker 1: not convinced he actually does want to be challenging somebody.
Speaker 1: I get the feel that Aaron Rodgers might just be
Speaker 1: a guy says this is my world, this is my team,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna have a hard time respecting anyone. It
Speaker 1: sounds like some coaches over the years. See that's the
Speaker 1: thing though, Like I it sounds like some coaches over
Speaker 1: the years. Half I really believe that he would because
Speaker 1: because I think he wants to be great, but that
Speaker 1: he would need a great coach, and just like your
Speaker 1: run of the mill, average NFL coach, that's maybe that's
Speaker 1: not going to be enough, you know, to be able
Speaker 1: to deal with him. Now that this right, well, I
Speaker 1: would imagine someone is brief to be I mean, it
Speaker 1: seems to be plugged in. I feel like he might
Speaker 1: have read it ten times by now. But I think
Speaker 1: it's safe to say that Dunn family is off. Like
Speaker 1: his Christmas card distribution list's not getting a lot of
Speaker 1: like one on one time with Rogers? Do we finally
Speaker 1: trust my green bedar that was buzzing for large sections
Speaker 1: of last season in the season previous, well you never
Speaker 1: really said what what had nothing to do with this?
Speaker 1: You wouldn't like that they were in primetime a lot.
Speaker 1: I was something about the whole Green Bay Packers experience. Obviously,
Speaker 1: are you saying it has not been in my radar?
Speaker 1: And when I read this, I thought, oh yeah, this
Speaker 1: is like when you thought they had it too. Now
Speaker 1: this is like one of your like prop bets that
Speaker 1: you almost get right. But then since you're in the
Speaker 1: same area, you say ers and then all the Sessler
Speaker 1: minions are like, yeah, yeah, he did it, he did it.
Speaker 1: Give it to It's like Aaron Rodgers. It's like he's
Speaker 1: the guy that you send out a billion gifts a
Speaker 1: week about how he's so technically brilliant and beautiful. And
Speaker 1: look at this passing through behind his back and the
Speaker 1: completed for fifteen yards. But there is an argument. We've
Speaker 1: talked about it in and out the podcast. There's always
Speaker 1: been some little bit of a ship missing or something
Speaker 1: that makes him a little bit of a different experience.
Speaker 1: This clarified, which we know. But he is regarded almost
Speaker 1: like you cast it off as an aside as the
Speaker 1: most physically gifted quarterback to ever play football. And he's miserable,
Speaker 1: but and that makes him kind of fascinating to be honest.
Speaker 1: That's like, that's like the billionaire. But nothing will make
Speaker 1: Cam happy, you know how. It kind of you know,
Speaker 1: made me think of Dan Marino because I think a lot,
Speaker 1: you know, Dan Marie there weren't as many you know blocks,
Speaker 1: you know, there weren't blogs, or there wasn't Twitter or anything.
Speaker 1: This definitely weren't blogs. Right. This was a very you know,
Speaker 1: similar narrative around Dan Marino in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: Different in some ways obviously with the coaches and everything,
Speaker 1: but in terms of the talent and the relationship he
Speaker 1: had with his teammates and freezing them out and never
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, fulfilling his destiny and reminded
Speaker 1: he did by his lineman isotone or gloves remember that
Speaker 1: and another head coach he stuck around too long? Yeah,
Speaker 1: during his prime years. All right. In other news, I'm
Speaker 1: really excited about these uniforms from the perspective of where
Speaker 1: this organization is right now. The theme of this team
Speaker 1: us take flight. We're ready to contro a new era
Speaker 1: hashtag take flight baby. Was that like a cult leader?
Speaker 1: Who was Uh? That was David McTavish of the Church
Speaker 1: of Scientology. Okay, thank you, No, that was Christopher Johnson,
Speaker 1: the acting owner of Jets, who unveiled their new uniforms
Speaker 1: or something like that Thursday in Manhattan, and uh, as
Speaker 1: you guys would expect a lot of people on Twitter,
Speaker 1: zeus or what do you think? What do you like them?
Speaker 1: I think they're okay. I think they certainly. My thoughts
Speaker 1: on uniform reveals in general, it goes like there's there's
Speaker 1: two components involved. For me is that in the last
Speaker 1: five six years, the teams and social media seized on
Speaker 1: and successfully seized on this idea that fans love this,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna build it up for months and months
Speaker 1: and months, And the downside of that is when it
Speaker 1: gets revealed after all the build up, it's almost always
Speaker 1: a little bit of like, oh, that that's all it is.
Speaker 1: So I think you have that that works with all
Speaker 1: teams when they do this, and then you have what
Speaker 1: I call the Jets acts, which is and everyone else
Speaker 1: gets to have fun with this. And and as a
Speaker 1: Browns fan, you know this too, Mark, but I don't
Speaker 1: get to have fun with this, but everybody else does,
Speaker 1: and I don't hate on it. It just always better
Speaker 1: to just kill the Jets and make fun of the Jets, uh,
Speaker 1: And that's always gonna happen. So that's why I think
Speaker 1: you there was some criticism of the jerseys. I think
Speaker 1: they're okay. I like the green helmet. I like that
Speaker 1: they modified the logo up top. I'm not huge on
Speaker 1: the New York across the chest. But that's another thing
Speaker 1: that happened about twenty years ago. A bunch of marketers
Speaker 1: got in the ears of these sports teams. The Giants
Speaker 1: did the same thing when they went back to the
Speaker 1: n Y logo, and there you gotta get you gotta
Speaker 1: get in New York in the mix. You gotta market
Speaker 1: around New York. So I think that's why they did that.
Speaker 1: The black alternate jerseys, all right, whatever, that's that's just
Speaker 1: it is what it is. My favorite I I I
Speaker 1: would give. I'd give the uniform like a B minus B.
Speaker 1: It's not a disaster, not a home run. Curious your guys, well,
Speaker 1: I would say, like not being a disaster is a
Speaker 1: win because as a Browns fan, you lived in a
Speaker 1: uniform scenario that was a disaster for half a decade.
Speaker 1: And one thing, there's the whole hoopla surrounding the uniform
Speaker 1: reveal is tedious. I like the young team. I liked
Speaker 1: there was something about Jamal Adams and Sam Donald out
Speaker 1: there together and they were on Good Morning Football Today.
Speaker 1: I'll say one thing, the uniforms looked a lot better
Speaker 1: on Good Morning Football. I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: the lighting on the set. My thing with uniforms is
Speaker 1: always I don't care how they look on a stage.
Speaker 1: I want to see what they look like on the field,
Speaker 1: because they typically will look very different. I'm a big
Speaker 1: fan of Matt Finish helmets over super shiny, so I
Speaker 1: want to warm up to that. But I don't think
Speaker 1: they're a disaster on any level. They're totally fine for
Speaker 1: the most part. But it was not a disaster. It
Speaker 1: could have been so much worse. And the Browns uniforms
Speaker 1: last year, by mid season, when when they were playing
Speaker 1: well and there was some hope, the uniforms, it's a
Speaker 1: psychological thing, started to look good, makes sense. It started
Speaker 1: to look good, So don't worry about it. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: inevitably they're kind of you know, the design is using
Speaker 1: kind of new design trends and generally people outside of
Speaker 1: the rider That's what I mean. That's what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm saying older people like us are going to push
Speaker 1: against it. Gotham green, spotlight white, it's just white and
Speaker 1: stealth black. Those are Nike told those are new colors.
Speaker 1: I love the black. I like the helmet, and I like, Um,
Speaker 1: A lot of people were saying the same joke out
Speaker 1: there that it was kind of like the two lane
Speaker 1: green Jets. So it's like, if you're looking like the
Speaker 1: two lane green wave out there, and it does look
Speaker 1: pretty much exactly like the one of the new two
Speaker 1: lane uniforms, I like it, and they that's fine. I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that doesn't have a bad thing. And then it was like,
Speaker 1: oh this people love co tight jets. Well, you could
Speaker 1: pick any era outside nineteen sixty nine and and say that's, oh,
Speaker 1: it's a bad error for their uniforms. It's they need
Speaker 1: to start something new, and that's that's what they're trying
Speaker 1: to do. It's the whole the reboot thing, the the
Speaker 1: idea of the bold new look will be a bold
Speaker 1: new direction, which the Buccaneers once upon a time actually
Speaker 1: pulled off back in the late nineties, where they were
Speaker 1: terrible for twenty five years, got new uniforms and immediately
Speaker 1: became well because they changed with theirselves. All the Broncos
Speaker 1: had their forever, and when they moved to their more
Speaker 1: current ones, they went to two Super Bowls with that
Speaker 1: way right away, there is some type of connection there
Speaker 1: and the Jets will be playing in February next year.
Speaker 1: That's what I take out of it. What might take
Speaker 1: also was, uh, you know, they make a big deal
Speaker 1: out of it, because I do remember when I was
Speaker 1: more in that boss mode, the metrics. I mean, people,
Speaker 1: you know, we could write like seventeen are you know,
Speaker 1: great long forms for the rest of the year. They're
Speaker 1: not going to combine to you know, equal the amount
Speaker 1: of traffic. It was just like what the biggest articles
Speaker 1: of the year uniforms. It was a bigger deal when
Speaker 1: I was younger too, when Parcels took over and the
Speaker 1: first thing he did, uh, it took over ninety seven.
Speaker 1: Starting in the year he said, we want to call
Speaker 1: back to the name of Era, and that's when they
Speaker 1: did the reboot. They called and remember back to the future.
Speaker 1: I think was their angle at that time. Um. Now,
Speaker 1: now it's twenty years later and I get it it's
Speaker 1: time to kind of freshen things up. So we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens. Jack and Harrison. I'm already take my money
Speaker 1: NFL shop, going to get some Donald What about the
Speaker 1: people that bought a Donald Jersey last year? Though? When
Speaker 1: they're stuck with the it's probably fine, but it's not
Speaker 1: great though. It's a tough situation. I agree. I feel
Speaker 1: should have known it was for them. Yeah, you feel
Speaker 1: I feel like the um back to the uniform things,
Speaker 1: but with the Browns, I feel like they should just
Speaker 1: really embrace and just go back to the eighties. Look,
Speaker 1: is that the thing that's out I believe from all
Speaker 1: hints out there, and this is going back two years
Speaker 1: that they realized there they got a little too fluffy
Speaker 1: and a little too crazy that the overwhelming cry to
Speaker 1: make this change is and they talked about it. It's
Speaker 1: nothing fancy, essentially, is the tag because they are the
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. Their whole thing is that they're just simple
Speaker 1: like this is our franchise where the Browns, and they're
Speaker 1: going back to that and they're keeping the brown uniforms
Speaker 1: that they leaned on heavy the the right. Yes, those
Speaker 1: ones elf gonna be phased out. I think the ELpH
Speaker 1: is going to be, which is the ELpH has essentially
Speaker 1: been phased out for a long time outside of some
Speaker 1: end zone paint and uh, you know Freddie Kitchens baseball hats,
Speaker 1: Like I think he's gonna be a big part of it.
Speaker 1: It or he had it as an elfha he, I
Speaker 1: guess it is. He probably a thing, yeah, a mystical creature. Uh,
Speaker 1: a woodland creature, fairy tale. Let's move on. Kirk Cousins. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is interesting. So he is set to address UM.
Speaker 1: Michigan State is alma mater ahead of their final four
Speaker 1: n c A Double A basketball Uh match up against
Speaker 1: greg Texas Tech. I believe Texas Tech the Red Raiders.
Speaker 1: Uh and UM. I just want to point out, am
Speaker 1: I totally comfortable if I'm a Michigan State fan with
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins being the guy guys take this thing home.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm comfortable with it throwing that
Speaker 1: out there, higher or lower grade than the Jets uniforms. Uh.
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins speaking to Riston State, it's pretty random against
Speaker 1: the new Jets uniforms. I uh, if you're giving it
Speaker 1: the grade. Kirk Cousins being selected to address Michigan State
Speaker 1: for me as a C minus people, you know, I was,
Speaker 1: you know, checking around. There's divergent opinions on Kirk cousins
Speaker 1: pregames speeches because they have a lot of energy. Uh.
Speaker 1: He he's kind of the guy who does it for
Speaker 1: the Vikings, but sometimes they're a little weird. Remember the
Speaker 1: one last year where he was like, you know they
Speaker 1: put us in primetime. That's because they want to see it.
Speaker 1: Like it was very excited that they like flex them
Speaker 1: in or something. We deserve to be flexed up. So
Speaker 1: specific you're not watching any of the March madness, Uh,
Speaker 1: I have not. I did see good games. I did
Speaker 1: see like the very end of the Duke game. Well
Speaker 1: while in our hotel room in Phoenix, I remember, I'm
Speaker 1: not you know, it's my hating. Used to be like
Speaker 1: my used to be my favorite thing. But you know
Speaker 1: when you get older sometimes in life you just you're like,
Speaker 1: what connection do I have to any of this? I'll
Speaker 1: take my time doing something else. What do you do
Speaker 1: instead of watching? Uh? Basketball? Yeah, spend time with the family,
Speaker 1: read tennis, and I watch a lot of tennis, watch
Speaker 1: a lot of tennis. Wow. Um. I actually was at
Speaker 1: a El Sugundo um tavern, not a tavern, it's kind
Speaker 1: of more a bar and grill with an outdoor component
Speaker 1: to it, and I was watching the Auburn Kentucky game
Speaker 1: and a listener of the Around the NFL podcast happened
Speaker 1: to be sitting right there, and he said hello and
Speaker 1: said he was a big fan of the show. Is
Speaker 1: that the rock and roll themed place that has an
Speaker 1: outdoor section. Yes, I believe the It is owned by
Speaker 1: Gene Simmons, And I mean there was a there was
Speaker 1: there every Saturday from twelve till three. If you are
Speaker 1: interested seeing him again? Is him in my life? They
Speaker 1: where the Yukon Huskies were like my number one sports team.
Speaker 1: I remember her next girlfriend getting mad that, like I
Speaker 1: canceled on a a plan with her because I wanted
Speaker 1: to watch Big Monday, you know, big Yukon Villanova game.
Speaker 1: Back in the ray Allen, I think Carrie Kittles, did
Speaker 1: you recover? Did the relationship after that? No? Not? I
Speaker 1: mean it it failed for many reasons, including that I
Speaker 1: think it was like a red flag that I would
Speaker 1: have rather, you know, watch Big Monday at that point.
Speaker 1: Couch Uh. Finally in the news, Patrick Mahomes, guy's got
Speaker 1: a cannon. He's so gifted. The Chief's quarterback. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: another guy's got a cannon. Mark your boys, your team,
Speaker 1: the Bills. They got this young kid, Josh Allen. He
Speaker 1: could heave it anyway, speaking not always to the right person,
Speaker 1: but from Western New York. He was honored at a
Speaker 1: charity event for athletic and full philanthropic achievements. Nailed It.
Speaker 1: Mahomes acknowledged an offseason Twitter challenge from Josh l to
Speaker 1: see who could toss the biggest bomb. Josh is a
Speaker 1: great but no one that I've known has been able
Speaker 1: to throw a ball farther than me. Mahomes said via
Speaker 1: the Batavia Daily News. I've never seen Josh throw in person,
Speaker 1: but maybe next offseason we can set something up to
Speaker 1: see who could throw the old Pitts game further. I
Speaker 1: would be careful. Yeah, why not? Why next off season?
Speaker 1: It feels like you're dodging and maybe it's plenty of
Speaker 1: time left to get that done. Logistically he wants. Mahomes
Speaker 1: is a type of guy that thinks big picture above
Speaker 1: the tree tops, as they say in the corporal offices here,
Speaker 1: and he wants to make sure he's got an arena.
Speaker 1: He can get the promotion out there. They could move tickets,
Speaker 1: merch all those things. It still feels like you've got
Speaker 1: a solid four months right You're It's it's one of
Speaker 1: those things where it's like, oh, yeah, we should go
Speaker 1: out to dinner sometime and you're like, well, what you're
Speaker 1: you're here, You're in town for a month right now?
Speaker 1: Because should we make but oh yeah, we should do it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we'll be in touch and then two years later
Speaker 1: we see each other again. Um, all right, that's what's
Speaker 1: happening in the news. Let's get to the mail bag,
Speaker 1: because again another tease. We have, unfortunately some issues we
Speaker 1: have to work out with the Shield and some behind
Speaker 1: the scenes um problem that came up on one SAT.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna get to that. But let's first hit
Speaker 1: the mailbag. Are great listeners at Around the NFL podcast
Speaker 1: who we love sent in a bunch of questions, so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go through some of them right now, starting
Speaker 1: with Neil Underscore g C. Which team do you think
Speaker 1: has the best roster pre draft going into the season.
Speaker 1: He's got the best roster right now. If you had
Speaker 1: pick Chiefs, No, not one, Cults. It's a tough one.
Speaker 1: It's a tough one. I think I'd go Eagles. I've
Speaker 1: been kind of banging that drum Chiefs would be close. Chiefs.
Speaker 1: I know, it's like not really great of a defensive
Speaker 1: roster with Patrick Mahomes and just the talent on offenses
Speaker 1: enough for me. Our boy Neil asks what other team
Speaker 1: uniforms would you and the Heroes change other than the Browns?
Speaker 1: Pending in the Bucks blatantly that is easy for me.
Speaker 1: The uniform and it is no dis on a division rival.
Speaker 1: The Cincinnati Bengals uniform to me is a has been
Speaker 1: an eyesore for a thousand years. I would go to Patriots.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I haven't been a fan. I guess it
Speaker 1: locked in, though you have too much glory with these
Speaker 1: uniforms to go back to pat Patriots. I think they'll
Speaker 1: they'll switch it, yeah, once Brady retires, but it kind
Speaker 1: of doesn't make sense until then. What about you? I
Speaker 1: don't know a lot of them. One of the first
Speaker 1: players I liked, uh, and it was pre Jets, was
Speaker 1: Boomers Sisson and I and I really loved that Bengals
Speaker 1: team in the late eighties, and I always I actually
Speaker 1: liked the stripes. Uh. The Jaguars. They're fixing their helmets too,
Speaker 1: I believe. I think they've already done it, so they
Speaker 1: got rid of it. The tone more a season plus
Speaker 1: into that, Yes, so I think, Uh, I'm all right,
Speaker 1: I said, I don't care as much about it I
Speaker 1: used to like when I was a teenager. It meant
Speaker 1: a lot to me. It doesn't get me hung up.
Speaker 1: The rams they don't do. They still have the mismatched
Speaker 1: helmet with the I don't like that to the blue tone.
Speaker 1: That's a little off. Not fan of that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think they gotta fix that. All right, here we go, Joey,
Speaker 1: excuse me, Jesscatto rites, have you ever skipped work for
Speaker 1: a massage or plant too in the future? This one's
Speaker 1: for Erica I have. Yeah, I love getting massages. Yeah
Speaker 1: it's nice. I've only gotten one massage and it was
Speaker 1: on my honeymoon. Same thing. That's so funny. I was
Speaker 1: just like, well, I guess if you're gonna do it
Speaker 1: now in time, and I enjoyed it, But that was
Speaker 1: the only time, like you know, it really came up.
Speaker 1: I had one ever, and it was with my wife
Speaker 1: where you have like a like students are learning how
Speaker 1: to do it, so it's like a cut rate, like
Speaker 1: ten dollar massage. It was fine, but I don't need
Speaker 1: to like that's it's a funny thing to think about it.
Speaker 1: Someone's just like, hey, Mark, I've got like a group
Speaker 1: on two for one massage is ten bucks at the
Speaker 1: Old Charlie walking By or something that's a bit of
Speaker 1: a roll of the dice. How much damage can they do?
Speaker 1: But it's kind of like when, well, it's not like
Speaker 1: that you get a haircut the first exactly, it's not
Speaker 1: the first car on the job. They've learned the trade
Speaker 1: in theory and they're just about to become set apart
Speaker 1: as their own. Guys are weird with massages though. They
Speaker 1: don't like you know, I tried to bring my brother
Speaker 1: to a massage place and he was like, he was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want like another dude like rubbing my back.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, then I would get a woman.
Speaker 1: You know, he probably has some problems for you know.
Speaker 1: I would ask for a woman myself. In fact, they
Speaker 1: did for my honeymoon massage. It was a big burly woman. Well,
Speaker 1: they need to be able using those elbows and getting
Speaker 1: in the it's so soothing. It's really good for your
Speaker 1: health too, and your and your muscles. I try to
Speaker 1: get one of I think it just seems like it's
Speaker 1: not so much. I would. I love the actual act
Speaker 1: on massage, but just like paying its just paying money
Speaker 1: for that level of like it seems so indulgent, Not
Speaker 1: that I don't indulge in other things, but it just
Speaker 1: seems wild. What do you indulge in? What do you
Speaker 1: pay money for food? It's spent way to us money
Speaker 1: and food. This from our old friend T m Are Troopers.
Speaker 1: Uh to replace the around the A A F podcast?
Speaker 1: Can you do a Greg Likes Wrap spinoff instead? I like,
Speaker 1: this is the rap that we're playing, the rapidy rap
Speaker 1: it's happening here. I don't think i'd be a panelist
Speaker 1: on this show. I mean I would break it out open,
Speaker 1: you know, more than just wrapped. Yeah, you do have
Speaker 1: a larger pell than we have. This. Yeah, we were
Speaker 1: just texting about the great new Jenny Lewis album Dan
Speaker 1: Great Star love that what's called down the line on
Speaker 1: the line on the line this is this is like
Speaker 1: the music from White Men Can't Jump during all the
Speaker 1: like two on two games. Josh McKinney, Well, the hero
Speaker 1: is becoming to Nashville for the draft, if so any
Speaker 1: plans we wanted to, but it was one of those
Speaker 1: things they actually the Shadow League figures have done a
Speaker 1: good job recently sending us to events, so we can't
Speaker 1: complain but for whatever reason, and we haven't done it
Speaker 1: for a few years. The draft we kind of circled
Speaker 1: Nashville is something we wanted to go to potentially, but
Speaker 1: it just didn't take off well. Also, West has we
Speaker 1: have a bachelor party event for West and then like
Speaker 1: weeks later the wedding, and so I don't know if
Speaker 1: West West has done in fact right now for a
Speaker 1: wedding related event back she has it all Unlock and West.
Speaker 1: And this is the thing about West three years ago.
Speaker 1: Would you ever imagine West just being led around like
Speaker 1: I think we should say sound boys sound bites where
Speaker 1: he would be like, I'm not going anyway, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna get married in my backyard. No, but the second
Speaker 1: he was with the paramore, this all seemed as soon
Speaker 1: as the actual person you're getting married to gets involved,
Speaker 1: the rules change very quickly. Prague Power asks, soudn't you
Speaker 1: guys have learned by now not to write off the
Speaker 1: Patriots before the season starts. A f C. East Champs
Speaker 1: nine times in a row should tell you not to
Speaker 1: run with the quote changing of the guard narrative. Yet
Speaker 1: you can't seem to help yourself to run with it.
Speaker 1: That is certainly fair, and uh yeah, there's a very
Speaker 1: good chance of Patriots go twelve and four and win
Speaker 1: their division by three games. I am not ruling that out,
Speaker 1: but it is absolutely also fair in two thousand nineteen,
Speaker 1: with what's going on around that organization, to wonder if
Speaker 1: we are coming near the end. That's okay too. I
Speaker 1: don't really do for a living well. It's funny because
Speaker 1: that the bar is so high now after eight straight buys,
Speaker 1: there's a nine in nine straight, a f C Championship,
Speaker 1: eight straight, a f C champion night trip. It's like
Speaker 1: if they went ten and six or eleven and five
Speaker 1: and where the where the five seed? But some NFC,
Speaker 1: you know, some other a f C t it's like
Speaker 1: that would be seen as somehow like the run is over.
Speaker 1: But the bar was high after four straight. They don't
Speaker 1: seem to care. Uh. This is a good one. In
Speaker 1: honor of Operation Pink Pony. This from Connor Lapalami. What
Speaker 1: is your favorite NFL or any sport conspiracy theory in
Speaker 1: the realm of sports? I have a few, I and
Speaker 1: I'll throw him out there in the NFL um it's
Speaker 1: a popular one. This one doesn't do much for me.
Speaker 1: But I'll throw it out for the purposes of this exercise.
Speaker 1: The Superdome power out outage at Super Bowl forty seven,
Speaker 1: the Ravens and Terrell Suggs and I believe ray Lewis
Speaker 1: had both in vocal that the NFL and specifically Roger
Speaker 1: Goodell cut the lights because that game was turning into
Speaker 1: a blowout. And of course Colin Kaepertick in the night
Speaker 1: Otors launched a furious comeback as soon as the lights
Speaker 1: came back on. And my memory of that was that
Speaker 1: was our second Super Bowl. Mark yes, yes, um you
Speaker 1: um were kind enough to hand over one of your
Speaker 1: Super Bowl tickets so Keith could my dad could attend
Speaker 1: the game. He went with Simone. They sat together. She's
Speaker 1: a Niners fancy for the game. And uh, I remember
Speaker 1: when the lights went down and the air conditioning cut
Speaker 1: and we were way up in the top. The number
Speaker 1: one thing that entered my mind, oh, I brought my
Speaker 1: dad to the Super Bowl and now we're being isis
Speaker 1: is here or something? It felt like a total terrorist attack. Uh,
Speaker 1: glad it wasn't, but it felt like one. I'm with
Speaker 1: you that I don't like the best um conspiracy theory
Speaker 1: stuff that I know. I feel like we can't say
Speaker 1: on this show, what do you mean? I mean you're
Speaker 1: big into conspiracy, We're we're on the opposite end of that. Generally,
Speaker 1: I'm anti all conspiracy theories and you're pro. I'm not pro.
Speaker 1: I'm pro one or two, not all that. I'm more
Speaker 1: of anti like the way it's framed sometimes, Like my
Speaker 1: least favorite NFL related conspiracy theory is whenever the Pete
Speaker 1: Carroll like nine eleven truth or stuff comes up, and
Speaker 1: it's always framed as like, hey, I'm not saying anything,
Speaker 1: I'm just asking the questions. But he's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's been proved, like asking the question that's not a
Speaker 1: football conspiracy, but just talking about the football player talking
Speaker 1: about concum to two NBA ones. I love is that?
Speaker 1: And this actually came up coincidentally on Wednesday show. Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan's David Stern forced him into a one year hiatus
Speaker 1: because of his gambling issues, which led to him playing
Speaker 1: minor league baseball. Patrick ewing Uh the David Stern again
Speaker 1: and the NBA rigging the lottery with a cold envelope
Speaker 1: to give the Knicks the number one overall pick and
Speaker 1: make them relevant again. But my favorite sports conspiracy theory,
Speaker 1: and I've heard this for years and it popped up
Speaker 1: and that we could talk about it because both of
Speaker 1: the main people connected to it, while two of the
Speaker 1: three have addressed up publicly, was that in n Cal
Speaker 1: Ripken Jr. Who was still UM in the still had
Speaker 1: his consecutive game streak going. Maybe it was before because
Speaker 1: I think he said it. But the theory is, or
Speaker 1: the conspiracy is that they canceled an Orioles game, uh
Speaker 1: blaming an electrical lights male function because Cal skipped out
Speaker 1: of the clubhouse because he found out that Kevin Costner
Speaker 1: had been in intimate relations with Cal's wife or he
Speaker 1: had caught them in bed together and he wasn't going
Speaker 1: to the game. He wasn't gonna play. Is one of
Speaker 1: the Orioles canceled the game. I believed that until the
Speaker 1: Costner part of it. Then there's the guy that Cal
Speaker 1: caught with his wife and um both sides. Cal and
Speaker 1: Costner have refuted this, but I love it. The electrical part.
Speaker 1: I could buy into that they would cancel it for
Speaker 1: some reason for cow well. I I lived in that
Speaker 1: area back then and went to Orioles plenty of orils
Speaker 1: during that well, I didn't hear that then, but during
Speaker 1: that run I could imagine them cutting the lights because
Speaker 1: it was the biggest thing going at all, and that
Speaker 1: in that that city was like enamored. I remember that
Speaker 1: is one of those word this moment. Do you remember
Speaker 1: where you were? I was in the bag shop at
Speaker 1: the Hamden Country Club watching washing people's golf clubs. Okay,
Speaker 1: with the TV on in the background. All right, there
Speaker 1: you go. That's the mail bag, Ricky. Before we get
Speaker 1: to our last matter of business regarding the shield, Uh,
Speaker 1: we haven't ducked into your d M situation a while.
Speaker 1: What's going on over there? Let's check it out? Right?
Speaker 1: Such a good one. I got one from Trick. Uh.
Speaker 1: His name was Trick one to one three, and it says, listen,
Speaker 1: you're cute. There's no getting around it. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if you like country music, but I was thinking
Speaker 1: maybe one of these days we could drive out to
Speaker 1: a field, crank up some tunes, smoke a few mccannon dudes.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is, maybe even toss
Speaker 1: a disk around and then it's like pig Latin. I
Speaker 1: think way day inc thing translated Mark Uh, what do
Speaker 1: you think? What do you say? Uh? What's a m
Speaker 1: p A Y? Either way, it's a strange combination of things.
Speaker 1: I think cigar smoking. Uh is that a reference of
Speaker 1: marijuana smoking? I don't know. Macanudo is a type of cigar,
Speaker 1: isn't it. That's even stranger? Nobody likes the uh and
Speaker 1: then throw a disk around? I mean, what are we? Uh?
Speaker 1: What is this? Dazed? Been confused? Sounds like a major
Speaker 1: stoner to me, Like you might actually be um harmless,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't just in case I would not maybe
Speaker 1: not maybe not No, Yeah, I mean there's a pretty
Speaker 1: decent chance he would end up as like part of
Speaker 1: the mulch in the field if you go, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at this guy's cycled compost, so I don't doesn't have
Speaker 1: a killer vibe. Really they are, according according to their website,
Speaker 1: they are iconic premium cigars at least strange move though,
Speaker 1: strange move alright, good good trip in the d M S. Listen,
Speaker 1: you know the listeners they have. They fall hard for
Speaker 1: the producer and it's just part of life. What can
Speaker 1: I say? Well, that's something you're used to. I'm sure.
Speaker 1: All right, Before we go alright, so here's the bad
Speaker 1: news about the shield. Yes, we won. Some sore bodies,
Speaker 1: some muscles, and Erica's swinging or prosthetic leg out of
Speaker 1: the car and that's hard to do for it right now,
Speaker 1: but um, we won. The bad news is that our
Speaker 1: catcher are part time catchers. She kind of platoons with
Speaker 1: the paramore. In fact, behind the plate. Her name is Brassy.
Speaker 1: I think she's maybe been on the show once, so
Speaker 1: we've talked about her a few times. Uh. She was
Speaker 1: not at the game, in fact, for a nine pm game.
Speaker 1: She she overslept and and internally, Uh, it was not
Speaker 1: something we were happy about. We had enough girls, so
Speaker 1: we were lucky that it did not come back to
Speaker 1: haunt us because in co ed softball, the battle to
Speaker 1: have enough girls is one of the biggest challenges you
Speaker 1: face all season. Uh. So we we were able to survive.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't make it any less irresponsible, uh and
Speaker 1: frankly disrespectful to the team. Ricky as a new girl,
Speaker 1: I know you don't as a rookie, you don't get
Speaker 1: to say as much. You kind of just have to,
Speaker 1: you know, earn your stripes. But I'm sure you look
Speaker 1: at it like this. This woman, Brassie is has two titles,
Speaker 1: and this is how she opens up our comeback season.
Speaker 1: Yeah stunning, right, yeah, I mean it's also not stunning.
Speaker 1: So there's been a track record here of red flags
Speaker 1: and incidents over the years, some off field problems. So
Speaker 1: Wednesday show, I told you that the Shielders in negotiations
Speaker 1: to bring Mark Sesler back aboard in um a front
Speaker 1: office role hand he handles discipline he's done in the past,
Speaker 1: and Mark is kind enough to agree to step in,
Speaker 1: uh and handle this matter involving Brassey because you've got
Speaker 1: to cut this cancer out. It's not a good to
Speaker 1: start the season. So Mark, Um, would you be okay
Speaker 1: if we got um Brassy on the phone and you
Speaker 1: could let her know what her punishment is. Yes, because
Speaker 1: it's simply team business. Okay, Let's let's get her on
Speaker 1: the line. Hey, Ryan, can I speak with shown up? Please? Uh?
Speaker 1: She actually just left, so she's not around when you
Speaker 1: need her. That's that's part of the course. All right,
Speaker 1: We'll try We'll try another number. Thank you. Let's try
Speaker 1: herself speaking. Hey Brassey, what's up? Skip here? I am
Speaker 1: going to pass you over to Mark Sessler. He is
Speaker 1: the Shields Human human Resources coordinator. UM, well, this is
Speaker 1: a serious issue and I appreciate you to treat it
Speaker 1: as that. Yeah, this should be address. I need to
Speaker 1: explain myself, Mr. I hold on number one. The tone
Speaker 1: off the bat um is concerning. There was an incident
Speaker 1: that I've learned about this morning at the inaugural kickoff
Speaker 1: game for the Shield two time defending champions. Game kicks
Speaker 1: off at nine o'clock. I want to just I want
Speaker 1: to present you with the information that I have that
Speaker 1: you texted a member of our team, Brooke, essentially saying,
Speaker 1: O MG, I just woke up the game. By the way,
Speaker 1: first pitch at nine pm, I'm going to be banned
Speaker 1: from the Shield. And she writes back and says, you know,
Speaker 1: five girls, at this point you should be okay and
Speaker 1: at that stage telling you just hurry that you're gonna
Speaker 1: get here. You text back many many minutes later, about
Speaker 1: an hour later, saying I fell back asleep in your
Speaker 1: own words, train wreck. Did you all have enough? Girls?
Speaker 1: I feel so bad. Hold on your your you will
Speaker 1: have a moment to speaking. I'll say it. I want
Speaker 1: to tell you, number one, what is present your case?
Speaker 1: Very quickly, and I suggested to make it very quick.
Speaker 1: I was tired and I just must have turned my
Speaker 1: alarm off. I mean I had, I had my clothes
Speaker 1: on bag ready, I didn't wake up. The thing that
Speaker 1: bothers all of us is that you are a two
Speaker 1: time member of this team. You've been part of two
Speaker 1: championship efforts. You had a disastrous Sinko to Mayo episode
Speaker 1: uh in the first season with the team where you
Speaker 1: showed up. I would just say, not three sheets to win,
Speaker 1: to the win would be generous. The fact that you
Speaker 1: are a veteran on this team, a leader. We have
Speaker 1: younger people are producer. Erica is on the team for
Speaker 1: the first time that she has to deal with this
Speaker 1: from veterans that the younger players have to suddenly become
Speaker 1: leaders because our leaders are asleep in their beds and
Speaker 1: falling asleep twice after the first pitch. Brassie, present your
Speaker 1: case very quickly. You have one last chance. We have
Speaker 1: a we have something else to tell you. I apologize.
Speaker 1: I was sleep at the wheel. I immediately knew when
Speaker 1: I woke up I was going to hear it. So
Speaker 1: I've been bracing myself for punishments as I know what's coming.
Speaker 1: We do not need on this team some sort of
Speaker 1: low level ladder stage Darryl Strawberry type figure. You are
Speaker 1: suspended for two games, and uh, I can throw it
Speaker 1: over to the manager. At this point, Dan hansis there
Speaker 1: is a possibility to appeal that down to one but
Speaker 1: I see nothing based on your reactions. Are your actions
Speaker 1: that we need to take this down to one game, Dan,
Speaker 1: I don't feel comfortable having any further conversation on this.
Speaker 1: I know our HR representatives here, but Brassie, you know
Speaker 1: I love you, but I think also this punishment is fair.
Speaker 1: Work on your sleep schedule, please? Well can we make
Speaker 1: those two games all I'm on vacations? No, there are
Speaker 1: effectivemmediate least, it's not in your terms. Goodbye, have a
Speaker 1: good weekend, Brassie. It had to be done, and um,
Speaker 1: I don't like doing that. And we just suspended Eily
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and that wasn't easy and
Speaker 1: this wasn't easy either, And hopefully she'll learn from this
Speaker 1: and grow. Greg the Bronxoo is in town right now.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm a little more worried about kind of
Speaker 1: like the underlying off the field issues that are contributing
Speaker 1: to this. I'm worried about her as a person. Yea,
Speaker 1: more important than what's going on on the field. Very true.
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Speaker 1: This is Dan Hanss signing off four Quiet Storm. The
Speaker 1: old boss Ricky Hollywood behind the glass had to be done,
Speaker 1: Mark had to had to be done Steel Monday. You
Speaker 1: did not get enough credit for your bad are comment
Speaker 1: like that was so good because I don't like it's
Speaker 1: not on my my radar bedar Greek like Bay Radar
Speaker 1: Green Bay, and both of you guys were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gonna miss it. Sorry buddy, it's okay,