Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast was rated by n Welcome
Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My
Speaker 1: name is Dan Hansis and I am joined and room
Speaker 1: filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 1: What is up? Boys? Hey Dan, Welcome to the Thursday show.
Speaker 1: We're now exactly two weeks away from the NFL Draft.
Speaker 1: How about that? What was it that you were saying
Speaker 1: to me as our mike's were cut? You defamed me
Speaker 1: as we were going about too about to enter the show,
Speaker 1: and I did not hear the did not defame you?
Speaker 1: But um, every once in a while when we are
Speaker 1: in the studio, Mark is a little impatient when we're
Speaker 1: doing too much chattering before because you're trying to get
Speaker 1: home or out of here. And I had a bit
Speaker 1: that I was saying what you were actually going to
Speaker 1: because you told us you were going home. She had
Speaker 1: to do chores. None of us believe you. So there's
Speaker 1: something you're doing something after the show today. I had
Speaker 1: a bit, but I can't say it on air because
Speaker 1: it's my current life cannot be more dull. So I
Speaker 1: have no other plan to hatch. It is ten fifty
Speaker 1: seven and we were supposed to start the pot at
Speaker 1: ten a m. Yeah, so let's say that theory we're
Speaker 1: gonna start at ten forty. It is ten fifty. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you want to see this, Um, I know that
Speaker 1: Wes agrees with me. Light attitude from Mark. You can
Speaker 1: check out up to the minute on Friday, our hit
Speaker 1: will likely be around the eleven. Drop what you're doing
Speaker 1: at your job and go run to a local tavern.
Speaker 1: Whereas on with no sound, I don't know. I do
Speaker 1: agree with you, but only because in the seven years
Speaker 1: of this podcast or six years, it has never once
Speaker 1: started on time. Well we would have had Yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of complaining for delays that we're done
Speaker 1: to ensure the podcast was better today. That's what it's about.
Speaker 1: I am not complaining. I'm just pointing out a fact.
Speaker 1: That's That's what I'm doing. Also simply operating in facts
Speaker 1: clock time. Um, alright. No one'll have its chores more
Speaker 1: than marks the chores. Um all right, today's show got
Speaker 1: give them? Um oh yeah, two weeks from the draft
Speaker 1: and mentioned this on the Twitter show, uh in passing
Speaker 1: during a segment we did, and you could check out
Speaker 1: our Twitter show. I think I have it pinned on
Speaker 1: the top of my Twitter profile. If you want to
Speaker 1: get it there, we do. You know, it's a good show.
Speaker 1: You're on the Twitter show we do every Wednesday. But
Speaker 1: I said, how if you could throw one thing into
Speaker 1: the black hole? It is this period of the calendar
Speaker 1: which just seems excessive and unnecessary. I flushed it out
Speaker 1: a little bit, just if any shadowy League figures are listening.
Speaker 1: In fact, I'm gonna pound on some tables and go
Speaker 1: upstairs with this because I think this works, and let
Speaker 1: me know if you agree. So super Bowl first Sunday
Speaker 1: in February. Fine, Combine last week in February, first week
Speaker 1: in March. Fine, mid March, Free agency, the new League.
Speaker 1: Yere fine. So far everything's okay. Now we get into trouble,
Speaker 1: all right, So the owners meetings at the end of March,
Speaker 1: that's fine. But what I want to do in there
Speaker 1: is build in a GM ice cream social that same
Speaker 1: weekend and these guys can really get in the room together,
Speaker 1: you know, have some desserts and work out different deals
Speaker 1: and have the conversations that you need ahead of the draft.
Speaker 1: Um during this time, all the pro days they have
Speaker 1: to be done by March one. So let's let drag
Speaker 1: out the pro day process and after your ice cream
Speaker 1: social the next week, the first Thursday of april's the draft.
Speaker 1: Who says, no, just condense this stuff, open up the
Speaker 1: spring a little bit. Nobody that cares about quality of
Speaker 1: life would say no. I think that's an improvement. But
Speaker 1: I also think the suggestions in the past that they
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people inside the league
Speaker 1: would agree with this, that you put the draft before
Speaker 1: free agency is intriguing. That you do the combine and
Speaker 1: then you do the AFT right after that. Basically, you
Speaker 1: do the draft where free agency would be now, or
Speaker 1: maybe even a week before, and then you do free
Speaker 1: agency after that. It would be it would be a
Speaker 1: whole different way to build teams. But other other leagues
Speaker 1: do this. The w n b A had their draft
Speaker 1: like a day after the n c A tournament, and
Speaker 1: the NBA essentially does the same thing, where they do
Speaker 1: it immediately after the NBA season ends. They have the
Speaker 1: draft the next week. It's great for us. It's like
Speaker 1: the NFL, which you know, it's overtly attempting to stretch
Speaker 1: the calendar out to the point where there's no there's
Speaker 1: no free months at all. But every every every coach
Speaker 1: of the commines like I haven't even had a second
Speaker 1: to look at tape, don't even ask me about quarterback X.
Speaker 1: So you're truncating and compacting their schedule. They may be
Speaker 1: the ones who don't like it. And that's easy to say.
Speaker 1: As we continue to learn they all lie. They got time,
Speaker 1: they got they're watching even if I haven't had time
Speaker 1: to even look at the tape, They've been pouring through
Speaker 1: all this tape. It's all lies. What did DJ say,
Speaker 1: especially this two week period, it's all It's all a lie.
Speaker 1: And now I'm starting to learn about the bus this
Speaker 1: almost ten years in. Everything is lies at all times,
Speaker 1: and you gotta parse that. That's why I have Chris
Speaker 1: Westling here. I remember when nany Reid stood up there
Speaker 1: and said over and over again, I am not trading
Speaker 1: Donovan McNab. Then like two days later traded Donovan. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's all lies, all right, Here we go today's show.
Speaker 1: Sorry children out here, we're really disabusing you of your
Speaker 1: optimism at a young age. If we're actually pretty big
Speaker 1: in the eight to ten um year old demographic, surprising
Speaker 1: to destroy that defend football for a second. I mean,
Speaker 1: the the number of lies is minuscule compared to let's
Speaker 1: say the arena of politics. Okay, so you know, and
Speaker 1: they're mostly white lies. It's all relative. This running back.
Speaker 1: We're not letting go of and like that's fine. If
Speaker 1: you do, the world continues to operate. That's fair. Hey,
Speaker 1: general managers, Yes they lie. Um, sometimes it's lies of omissions.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just straight up lies. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if you factor in thereity to tell the truth, they're
Speaker 1: willingness to tell the truth and the general manager power rankings.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna do it today. We're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 1: put the general managers of the NFL into different groups
Speaker 1: and break down who's cutting the mustard and who's the
Speaker 1: opposite of what cutting the mustard is. I wonder where
Speaker 1: that came from. Seems weird that you cut mustard, very strange.
Speaker 1: And of course we're gonna do some news. Let's start there,
Speaker 1: and yes, let's start, speaking of the Twitter show with
Speaker 1: some news that we broke in the NFL world. They're
Speaker 1: called empty Uh, let's hit it, Ricky. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're quitting bagels, you might as well, be quit in life.
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't disagree with you there, Gregan. You
Speaker 1: should take eat what you want in life, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe don't you know, just eat some nice portion control
Speaker 1: and then you can eat whatever you want, eat bad
Speaker 1: food all the time. All right. Let me say, because
Speaker 1: you and I have two very different body types that
Speaker 1: some people, yeah, can eat what they want, and even
Speaker 1: if you do some portion control, it just doesn't work
Speaker 1: the same way. But I think to your point, don't
Speaker 1: have two bagels a week or a day. Have one.
Speaker 1: We're not talking about like a double cheeseburger with bacon
Speaker 1: on it. It's a's a bagel, it's bread, it's car
Speaker 1: but it fills you up, it's carbon. It's fine, like
Speaker 1: you need that for your life. Bagels are the food
Speaker 1: that work at any time of the day in my opinion,
Speaker 1: except but you don't want to over chew your food.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's the thing I missed the most um
Speaker 1: about New York is the bagels. Because you can even
Speaker 1: find a good slice of pizza in l a. It's
Speaker 1: not easy, but you can find it. Bagels. I would
Speaker 1: like you to come to New York Bagels on Wilshire
Speaker 1: in two and just check in there a good shop
Speaker 1: writing it down, wilsh hang on. I'll pop over there
Speaker 1: on a Sunday morning about seven fifty, don't you know,
Speaker 1: sort of in my pajamas and I'm back park in
Speaker 1: my home metabolism, just just going. I could I could
Speaker 1: drive there and be back with the with the bagels
Speaker 1: in like eleven minutes total. I think I accidentally dropped
Speaker 1: n fomb there. Ricky's that's only like, all right, let's
Speaker 1: get into the news. Um, we didn't break the news. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I just want to be clear. Mike Garret Folo UM
Speaker 1: our friend NFL Networks own Mike Garretfolo and East Coast
Speaker 1: Guy UM. He was on our Around the NFL Twitter
Speaker 1: show on Wednesday. The subject of Josh Rosen and his
Speaker 1: future uh came up. Rosen, who did report too workouts
Speaker 1: voluntary workouts with the Cardinals, but seems to seem like
Speaker 1: his days are numbered in Arizona with Kyler Murray on
Speaker 1: the way, I asked Mike during the show if he
Speaker 1: buys into the reports out there that the Washington Redskins
Speaker 1: are a likely or potential landing spot for Rosen. Here's
Speaker 1: what Mike said, no, No, that's not true. I heard
Speaker 1: that myself. Uh. They have done a little bit of
Speaker 1: homework here, or at least tried to figure out what
Speaker 1: the Cardinals price would be, but they're not actively chasing him.
Speaker 1: And I don't know that they haven't a hard offer
Speaker 1: on the table because I know for a fact that
Speaker 1: they are still going through the motions with the guys
Speaker 1: in the draft currently, uh, and that they've had made
Speaker 1: no firm decision about are we going to draft a
Speaker 1: guy or are we going to go the Josh Rosen
Speaker 1: route or try to trade for somebody. I just I
Speaker 1: don't sense it. I really everything that I've been told.
Speaker 1: I asked I and Rappaport about this yesterday. We briefly
Speaker 1: touched about it on his podcast. He's here in the
Speaker 1: same thing. So, UM, I don't really believe that it's
Speaker 1: a sizzling market for Josh Rosen. And Mike made a
Speaker 1: point to Greg that I thought it was a good
Speaker 1: one that there is talk, well, keep them both on
Speaker 1: the roster, and that does there's definitely logic to that,
Speaker 1: keep them both on the roster and then trade Rosen
Speaker 1: down the line. Is his value actually gonna get better
Speaker 1: once you bury him on the bench for a month
Speaker 1: or a year or whatever it is. This probably is
Speaker 1: if you want to get the best value, it's probably
Speaker 1: in the next three months or so, I'd say, could be.
Speaker 1: You're he made the point that a team that suffers
Speaker 1: an injury isn't gonna be looking to a second year
Speaker 1: quarterback to take over. They would rather kind of the
Speaker 1: other point, you know, a replacement level veteran, which that
Speaker 1: makes some sense, and it makes sense that the Redskins
Speaker 1: need to go through these rookie quarterbacks to evaluate Rosen
Speaker 1: versus them, because if they like a quarterback that they
Speaker 1: can take, let's say with their second they think they'll
Speaker 1: be able to take with their second round pick, and
Speaker 1: they like him better than Josh Rosen, and then that's
Speaker 1: what you do, or even maybe their first round pick.
Speaker 1: If they liked him enough, they would suspend their due
Speaker 1: diligence and trade for him now. But they are not
Speaker 1: overwhelmed obviously by what Josh Rosen put on tape. I
Speaker 1: think the difference, too, is with the draftable quarterbacks, and
Speaker 1: Gruden has said, look at if we're taking someone at fifteen,
Speaker 1: he's not a project. He starts right away. He's like,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of veterans on this team that aren't
Speaker 1: gonna use the year eight to work to win. They're
Speaker 1: gonna start right away and they have a chance to
Speaker 1: meet and get to know every one of these quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: And he talked about grilling them hard on third down situations,
Speaker 1: all sorts of whiteboard stuff Josh Rosen, because I don't
Speaker 1: think they did a ton of homework on Josh Rose
Speaker 1: And last year, after trading for Alex Smith, you're having
Speaker 1: to bring in a guy who is a polarizing figure.
Speaker 1: We might like him, but there are a ton of
Speaker 1: gms and coaches in the NFL that are scared of
Speaker 1: the Josh Rosen experience based on various anecdotes and reports.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's a perfect fit for
Speaker 1: Jake Gruden. I we've never seen Jay Gruden try to
Speaker 1: develop a guy. I mean, the closest he's come to
Speaker 1: it is Colt McCoy, and Colt McCoy played out. He did,
Speaker 1: but he didn't draft him. I mean, that wasn't his choice.
Speaker 1: That was Kyle Shanahan's guy. And yeah he did develop,
Speaker 1: but I guess I mean a guy where, hey, we're
Speaker 1: gonna choose a Redskins quarterback and hopefully he can, you know,
Speaker 1: be the future of the position. They've never They've never
Speaker 1: had that. Uh. Moving on, The Giants continue to move
Speaker 1: on in a post Odell Beckham world. UH. The Giants
Speaker 1: are in the process of finalizing a four year, forty
Speaker 1: one million dollar extension with Sterling Shepherd. UH. Mike Garafolo
Speaker 1: reported the deal would make Shepherd the team's highest paid
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Of course, Golden Tate also joined the Giants
Speaker 1: in free agency, so that is the one to punch
Speaker 1: there at wide receiver. Shepherd West has never had a
Speaker 1: one thousand yards season, and yes, quarterback play and injuries
Speaker 1: have held him back, but this is to me, this
Speaker 1: is a good signing. It's a nice salary for the
Speaker 1: guy that hasn't done a lot. But I think there's
Speaker 1: upside there with Sterling Shepherd. I mean, you could look
Speaker 1: at it like he basically got the Adam Humphreys deal
Speaker 1: slot receiver for the Titans, got four years forty million
Speaker 1: around there, and Sterling Shepherd to me, is a better receiver.
Speaker 1: He's sort of a high end number two, not quite
Speaker 1: number one, and I think the contract reflects that. I
Speaker 1: think he's I think he's underrated, or maybe not underrated,
Speaker 1: because I think people respect him, but his he's a
Speaker 1: better player than his numbers indicate. I think this was
Speaker 1: a very uh good value for the Giants in terms
Speaker 1: of the money that they got, because I think if
Speaker 1: he was a free agent, you got to next year
Speaker 1: and he's probably gonna have a big season in terms
Speaker 1: of volume, he would cost a lot more. I mean,
Speaker 1: their third wide out right now is Corey Coleman. So
Speaker 1: it's not as if the need has been entirely washed over, right.
Speaker 1: You got to keep finding I And I saw some criticism.
Speaker 1: I guess some people are down on Shepherd, like he's
Speaker 1: not even as good as as some other wide receivers
Speaker 1: have got similar money. I disagree. I think this is
Speaker 1: actually a good value, and I'm not worried about Golden
Speaker 1: Tat and him being duplicative. Yes, they're both better on
Speaker 1: the inside than outside, but you're not making your three
Speaker 1: to four year plan around Golden Tate. And I think
Speaker 1: we all like Evan ingram To, and of course the
Speaker 1: running back is special, so there there there, There is
Speaker 1: talent in place on the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: They just need to address the quarterback. But it was
Speaker 1: their last year too. It's just less this time around. UM.
Speaker 1: Moving on, following up on the Bleacher Report bombshell around,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy. Rogers spoke on the radio.
Speaker 1: UM since the last time we did a podcast, but
Speaker 1: then he was, you know, at voluntary workouts with the packers,
Speaker 1: uh this week and uh. He elaborated on his comments
Speaker 1: and the initial UM response to the article, which he called,
Speaker 1: by the way, a smear attack. Here's what Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: said on Wednesday. Well, first of all, I stand behind
Speaker 1: everything I said, you know, and I just kind of
Speaker 1: want to refer to that as far as any other
Speaker 1: comments go UM I said on the show, and I
Speaker 1: meant that it has been a great week. I've heard
Speaker 1: from you know, a hundred plus former teammates and coaches
Speaker 1: and current teammates and coaches, and that's fun, especially some
Speaker 1: of the guys you haven't heard from in a while.
Speaker 1: UM checking in and and UH encouraging. Yes. And let
Speaker 1: me just um throw out his comments or part of
Speaker 1: his comments from to ESPN Milwaukee radio station. The thing
Speaker 1: is about this article, It's not a mystery. This was
Speaker 1: a smear attack by a writer looking to advance his
Speaker 1: career talking with mostly irrelevant, bitter players who all have
Speaker 1: an agenda rather they're advancing their own careers or just
Speaker 1: trying to stir old stuff up. Then what happens is
Speaker 1: the same tired media folks picking it up and talking
Speaker 1: about it. It's just emphasizing their opinion about me already.
Speaker 1: I think it's valid for him to push back on it,
Speaker 1: But I was most interested in the places that he
Speaker 1: and then Mark Murphy the President pushed back. They were
Speaker 1: strongest about saying that the conversation between Murphy and Rogers
Speaker 1: where Murphy the President told him don't be the problem.
Speaker 1: They were so adamant that that didn't happen. Where to
Speaker 1: the point like, that's how when people are denying things
Speaker 1: that you kind of look like, how hard are they
Speaker 1: denying some of these things? The smear attack stuff that
Speaker 1: doesn't hold water for me. He's used this attack before.
Speaker 1: That's not what's going on. I get that Greg Jennings
Speaker 1: and Jamichael Finley are basically enemies of Aaron Rodgers who
Speaker 1: are trying to bury him, and I think when you're
Speaker 1: reading that you have to take that into account. But
Speaker 1: they weren't the only two people talking in it. But
Speaker 1: when they talked about the Murphy Rogers conversation and they're
Speaker 1: so hard against it, they kind of convinced me, Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe that part of the equation did not happen that way,
Speaker 1: and that that was one of the more interesting parts
Speaker 1: of the story. Nothing about like Tyler Dunn or what
Speaker 1: we know about him suggests the guy who's writing smear
Speaker 1: attacks and and it was too the research was too wide,
Speaker 1: and what he put it in the picture he paint
Speaker 1: and was too convincing. I do think, though, if you're
Speaker 1: in Rodgers, it is fair to be annoyed by what
Speaker 1: are repeated. If it's a minority, it is a repeat
Speaker 1: incident of certain players bashing him over and over. And
Speaker 1: if you're him, it is encouraging to hear from a
Speaker 1: hundred plus people that say we know he There is
Speaker 1: no way to have one overall opinion of Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: that everyone must agree to. He's a guy that generates
Speaker 1: different reactions for differ reasons. And I don't have a
Speaker 1: problem with the starting quarterback rubbing a couple starters the
Speaker 1: wrong way over the course of his career. I was
Speaker 1: sorry I missed this discussion the first time around, because
Speaker 1: it reminded me so much of reading The Jordan's Rules,
Speaker 1: the book by Sam Smith that came out in the
Speaker 1: early nineties with all the teammates talking about Jordan's and
Speaker 1: Jeremichael Finley playing the Horace Grant role where the personalities
Speaker 1: just clash. He said that Aaron Rodgers is like an addict,
Speaker 1: and I got to think, and what is he addicted to.
Speaker 1: It's sort of the hyper competitive stubbornness and ego when
Speaker 1: you're invested so heavily that a lot of great athletes have.
Speaker 1: It's a byproduct of that competition addiction, and it's hard
Speaker 1: to put up with an aptitude when you're when you're
Speaker 1: so invested. I think actually Antonio Brown has some of
Speaker 1: this in him. Um. But I think, like Mark Murphy says,
Speaker 1: this is a positive for Aaron Rodgers, and that's why
Speaker 1: I see it as a positive because he's out to
Speaker 1: prove to everyone this year. He's not the problem in
Speaker 1: Greenbad Well. And there's there's multiple pull ways to kind
Speaker 1: of look at all these issues. For instance, Mark Tauscher,
Speaker 1: who's who did this interview. It's kind of his home
Speaker 1: base weekly radio spot that he's done with Jason Wildy
Speaker 1: forever Aaron Rodgers, So it's in It's kind of just
Speaker 1: interesting how you play the media these days that Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make my statements on my home base station
Speaker 1: and then refer the actual questions to report that from
Speaker 1: everyone else to those statements, which I think is fair
Speaker 1: to look at as not cowardly, but it's convenient, you know,
Speaker 1: you're not really answering the questions that are out there.
Speaker 1: And Rogers has a long history of instilling fear in
Speaker 1: the reporters and maybe teammates around him that he'll he'll
Speaker 1: kind of strike back at you if you don't like
Speaker 1: the way that he's talking. And one more Rogers note,
Speaker 1: he revealed on that radio show UM that his leg
Speaker 1: injuries suffered in week one that UM opener UH Sunday
Speaker 1: Night opener was more serious than perhaps was reported. UH.
Speaker 1: In addition to a sprain knee and mc l sprain,
Speaker 1: he had a tibial plateau fracture, which, if that sounds familiar,
Speaker 1: that is the same injury that ended J. J. Watts
Speaker 1: season back in two thousand seventeen, costing costing him the
Speaker 1: final three months. Now, some people then will say, well,
Speaker 1: he's making excuses because he didn't have the best year.
Speaker 1: All right, your mileage may depend on this one. But
Speaker 1: if if it's true, and I don't imagine he's lying
Speaker 1: about the injury, it might give you a little more
Speaker 1: insight why Rogers did not have a Rodgers like season,
Speaker 1: because then he did some good things. If he was
Speaker 1: going to make excuses, he'd have done it during the season.
Speaker 1: I played through that. Give him credit for it. I
Speaker 1: do want to say one last thing, because I did
Speaker 1: do think this whole thing is fascinated and this is
Speaker 1: in defense of Tyler done to The article was mostly
Speaker 1: about the toxic relationship between Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: and when you listened and read between the lines of
Speaker 1: what Rodgers said on this radio station, he was not
Speaker 1: nearly as adamant pushing back against that. He brought up
Speaker 1: some little facts like why would I have resigned? And
Speaker 1: this and that, But I think the point was that
Speaker 1: they their relationship ultimately undermined the Packers. He did not
Speaker 1: pushed back against that, and that's the part of the
Speaker 1: story I still I believe, and I think held a
Speaker 1: lot of weight. He pushed back too hard, just like
Speaker 1: Jordan did about the Jordan Rules, because it ultimately showed
Speaker 1: a flawed human being, which we all are, and people
Speaker 1: understand that about Aaron Rodgers and Michael Jordan's Meanwhile, on
Speaker 1: the throne of ease. The Patriots are in a post
Speaker 1: Grounk world and they made a move. Uh this week
Speaker 1: they signed Austin Safari and Jenkins to a one year
Speaker 1: that minimum contract. Rap Sheet reported. Of course, the last
Speaker 1: time you heard about a s J he was the
Speaker 1: starting tight end of the Graybeards. So I bid him ado. Um.
Speaker 1: I view him as a player with still upside and
Speaker 1: he'll probably have roughly twelve yards on the Patriots this season. Uh,
Speaker 1: if that's how it works. Um. Yes, the Dwayne Allen
Speaker 1: released as well by the Patriots offseason, so they have
Speaker 1: a um wide open tight end room and a s
Speaker 1: J enters the pole position as their top guy. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he'll stay there. I think if their
Speaker 1: goal was to find someone who reminded them of the
Speaker 1: November Gronk who Dan decided was washed up, they found
Speaker 1: the right guy. Well, not fairly because he's not a
Speaker 1: blocker at all, Like he's just he's a big huge
Speaker 1: tight end who is theoretically a blocker and can't really
Speaker 1: move well enough to be a huge threat. As a
Speaker 1: recent he's had some moments. I mean, he doesn't move well.
Speaker 1: I'm not criticizing the rundown in any way, but I
Speaker 1: cringed when I saw they signed Safarian Jenkins as Gronk replacement.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, I mean he's not
Speaker 1: a Gronk replace. Okay, then Matt Lacosse is the Gronka.
Speaker 1: I mean they don't have, but he's got to replace.
Speaker 1: He got fifty tho dollar signing bonus, so that usually
Speaker 1: means you're you're almost unlikely to make the team. They're
Speaker 1: gonna draft someone, I hope. And then I think Severian
Speaker 1: Jenkins might be a nice little upside guys as a
Speaker 1: as a number two. And I heard I heard that
Speaker 1: little arrow Wes Gronk was mostly washed up last year.
Speaker 1: He put it together because he's an all time great
Speaker 1: and had together because he got healthy. He was washed
Speaker 1: up when he was playing through a high ankle. Spring
Speaker 1: is getting out at the right time. It's finished West
Speaker 1: finished what I saw in January. The guy could definitely
Speaker 1: still the six Super Bowl he'd are, you're a Patriots
Speaker 1: fan again? Now? Oh, I I've always, I'm always. It's
Speaker 1: been shifting endlessly over the last I never said, I said,
Speaker 1: I said, one spell of chick has gone. So we're
Speaker 1: still We're still well into it. Um fair. Stephen Gustowski
Speaker 1: also resigned with the Patriots, uh, putting an end to
Speaker 1: the most boring saga of the offseason. Will the kickers?
Speaker 1: Will the Patriots retain their kicker? And they have good
Speaker 1: for them? I looked at their rafter and I thought,
Speaker 1: if Jason Garrett was the coach, how many wins would
Speaker 1: you give the Patriots? Tom Brady is still a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I'd put the over under an eight and
Speaker 1: a half. Uh. One last Patriot note. A Chiefs fan
Speaker 1: was cited for shining a laser pointer at Tom Rady
Speaker 1: in the a f C title game. He was a
Speaker 1: sixty four year old man. No, come on, grow up,
Speaker 1: Peter Pan, sixty four and you're at a football game
Speaker 1: shining a laser light into the eyes of I mean,
Speaker 1: it only makes sense that he's older, because that is
Speaker 1: that was a very popular like blassroom trick like in
Speaker 1: the late eighties and early nineties. Remember people take it
Speaker 1: to the movie theater too, and it's like, bro, what
Speaker 1: are you getting out of this? It's not a it's
Speaker 1: amazing what he's what he was able to overcome in
Speaker 1: that game. He really, uh can I remember watching it
Speaker 1: up here at the end together. It was a beautiful moment. Finally,
Speaker 1: So you are a Patriots fan, that's good. I was.
Speaker 1: I am, I am. I said through the Belichick era,
Speaker 1: it's not like a drop it. We should have like,
Speaker 1: uh something on the wall and we know pot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think. Uh. Finally, in the news,
Speaker 1: Eagles signed wide receiver Charles Johnson to a one year deal. Um.
Speaker 1: He's the latest or just one of many uh A
Speaker 1: F players who have now found homes with NFL teams,
Speaker 1: which is a great thing because the way that league
Speaker 1: folded was a disgrace. I think we could all agree
Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily the fault of all the people involved
Speaker 1: with that operation, but the way it fell apart, it
Speaker 1: was just not fair to the players involved. So it's
Speaker 1: good to see some guys getting deals. Johnson, who was
Speaker 1: on the Orlando apollos Um, led the league in receiving
Speaker 1: He had sixdred and eighty seven yards and five tds
Speaker 1: on forty five catches in just eight games. So that
Speaker 1: guy was balling out, as the kids say. And now
Speaker 1: he'll get a chance um to stick around with the Eagles.
Speaker 1: He's an interesting guy. There have been portions of his
Speaker 1: career where you thought, with his size and athletic ability,
Speaker 1: he's got like number one receiver potential and he's just
Speaker 1: always been injured or having run ins with coaching staffs.
Speaker 1: Are they just don't trust him? And the team seemed
Speaker 1: to move on from him pretty quick? Is this the
Speaker 1: same Charles Johnson? Yeah? I mean we've been on this
Speaker 1: guy's path for half a decade. Former seventh incredibly underwhelmed
Speaker 1: by what he's produced more than third. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: making the leap guy? Did we did we see that?
Speaker 1: Remember back in the day. More than thirty guys from
Speaker 1: the A A F have signed, including I think their
Speaker 1: sack leader g ron Elliott. But I found it in
Speaker 1: none from the Memphis team. So terrible job by Memphis
Speaker 1: developing talent. But I thought it was interesting that the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: who are you know, in this kind of rebuilding, they
Speaker 1: signed by far the most they have seven A f
Speaker 1: players on their rock. I think the Steelers signed Sick,
Speaker 1: which is like, I think that's smart actual Dolphins. So
Speaker 1: their Dolphins did. They're trying a little different approach, dropping
Speaker 1: in the chand to talk a little signing in Miami
Speaker 1: like it. I love it, And they might be more
Speaker 1: of it. They might. We might be onto something that
Speaker 1: this is like if you can hit on one or
Speaker 1: one or two of these guys, or they might not
Speaker 1: be on anything a little safe or it's part of
Speaker 1: the anic fish tank. Let's get a bunch of guys
Speaker 1: from a lower tier of professional football and pass them
Speaker 1: off as actual topic challenge and go three and thirteen
Speaker 1: also a possibility. That's what's happening in the news, all right.
Speaker 1: Controversial seg Because Greg, I feel like you've you've had
Speaker 1: to deal with some pushback in the past from general
Speaker 1: managers and teams over an article that you write every spring.
Speaker 1: Well this was last year was the first time, and
Speaker 1: yes it got quite a bit of pushback. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: both internally and externally. Fair to say, what would the
Speaker 1: internal problems be? Like, you know, Greg, you know, not
Speaker 1: a great job here. Could have done better with West.
Speaker 1: West feels that about most of the things they produced.
Speaker 1: But other than that, I think internally, like most articles
Speaker 1: produced internally are like met with like a quiet part basic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say, I would say internally was met with indifference.
Speaker 1: But the Bears were unhappy. Someone in the Chicago Tribune
Speaker 1: wrote a whole article where about ranking Ryan Paste too
Speaker 1: low and you know what, he would then won an
Speaker 1: Executive of the Year. So does that shake your confidence
Speaker 1: a little bit going into this year? Because it's not
Speaker 1: up on the site, you still have to write it.
Speaker 1: Um coming, I have a you know, I've been working
Speaker 1: on it, but it's not coming until next week. This
Speaker 1: is more you guys are gonna you know, we're all
Speaker 1: gonna make around. This is a separate exercise. Greg's GM
Speaker 1: power ranks will come up down the line, but this
Speaker 1: will be our discussion about it. And uh, I think
Speaker 1: you know, the good way to break it down is,
Speaker 1: first of all, who are the new gms, Because even
Speaker 1: though they did they've had the free agency, they haven't
Speaker 1: had a draft yet, so they get the incomplete grades.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna leave out who have four or five
Speaker 1: teams In this conversation, Chris career for the Dolphins would
Speaker 1: would be one, right, So people litally consider him a
Speaker 1: new GM, but fair enough, I do, because he didn't
Speaker 1: have the decision making power and they were pretty clear
Speaker 1: about about that. Before that, he was kind of just
Speaker 1: good aunt, pretty new. Um, I would put what we
Speaker 1: got to skin. It's kind of hard to judge because
Speaker 1: he was in Capella. Anyone that's had really less than
Speaker 1: than that was hired before two thousand, I mean after
Speaker 1: the two thousand eighteen, Like the start of that off
Speaker 1: divided Marty Herney into two people, the pre gettleman in
Speaker 1: the post Gettlement. I like that. That's fair alright, So
Speaker 1: let's get into it. So factoring guys that have a
Speaker 1: little bit more of runway to shape the team. UM,
Speaker 1: let's break it down. Let's start. Let's start here. Actually,
Speaker 1: let's start with with kind of the gold standard. Um,
Speaker 1: who are the g ms or team builders that even
Speaker 1: if they have a bad offseason, you don't, you're not
Speaker 1: shaking in their conference. They're just guys that are kind
Speaker 1: of above even this conversation of risers and fallers and
Speaker 1: all that. Who Belichick obviously has to be at the
Speaker 1: top of the I would put Howie Roseman in that group.
Speaker 1: I would too, And I would put Kevin Colbert there
Speaker 1: and not everything he's done is perfect, but I think
Speaker 1: he has a twenty us a twenty year track to
Speaker 1: clarify Howie Roseman of the Eagles and Kevin Colbert of
Speaker 1: the Steelers, and uh, I think Colbert over time you
Speaker 1: have to kind of just trust how he's managed all
Speaker 1: the different ways of that roster. Uh. He does a
Speaker 1: really good job of kind of filling in holes that
Speaker 1: aren't even holes yet, and then they develop them and
Speaker 1: then they have players ready to step in West. I
Speaker 1: just want to applaud you want to take a real
Speaker 1: quick uh break here to applaud the advances as a
Speaker 1: broadcaster there that you you said, I I throughout some
Speaker 1: names and most football fans are gonna know which teams
Speaker 1: they were. But as a broadcaster, you said, I'm going
Speaker 1: to make sure you know that Culbert is with the Steelers.
Speaker 1: You know? Do you know Roseman's with the Eagles. I
Speaker 1: think if we did not have a big listenership in
Speaker 1: other countries, I wouldn't do that as much. But I
Speaker 1: always think of like are United Kingdom fans and our
Speaker 1: European fans in our Australia New Zealand and Mexican and
Speaker 1: all that. That's why I do it. A lot of
Speaker 1: them are new to the game. You imagine like NBC
Speaker 1: Night Nightly News stopping down for like two reporters to
Speaker 1: compliment each other how they handled the previous segment. Thank
Speaker 1: you for that compliment, Dan, That's better than Greg's unfair
Speaker 1: attack on what I would do with his article. I
Speaker 1: was just to hear that I was joking. I was
Speaker 1: joking this GM ranking. Who really knows. It's just entirely subjective.
Speaker 1: All right, here we go, So Belichick, Roseman, Colbert. We
Speaker 1: don't want to put anybody else in that list. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't put him right there, but John Schneider and Thomas Detrose,
Speaker 1: two guys I thought too under that. Yeah, they're they're
Speaker 1: hovering where and you know what Schneider and and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna and I'm glad you guys are really helping me
Speaker 1: do this exercise. You mean, Thomas de Mitroff of the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons and John Schneider of the c L Seahawks.
Speaker 1: Thanks well done. I really think we should just stop
Speaker 1: and talk about the the hosting about that is really
Speaker 1: distribut the leadership Snyder had a really good year. I
Speaker 1: think Schneider and Carroll, you can't really separate them. Um,
Speaker 1: you could almost put Pete Carroll right there with Schneyder
Speaker 1: because you know that he's part of the personnel decisions.
Speaker 1: The fact that they were able to rebuild on the
Speaker 1: fly and they never turned into a losing team, like
Speaker 1: there's this feeling I think that two thousand seventeen Seahawks
Speaker 1: like totally fell apart. They went nine and seven and
Speaker 1: then then and then they're back in the playoffs this year,
Speaker 1: so they they're right there. I think Schneider is going
Speaker 1: to be moving up ahead of Demitro. I would put
Speaker 1: less sneed in this group to personally, I'm with you,
Speaker 1: I agree. I don't know what what more he'd need
Speaker 1: to do. They should be near the top. They showed
Speaker 1: great patience as an organization, and see they believed in
Speaker 1: even when the results weren't there. And now we're going on,
Speaker 1: um two straight years, two NFC West titles, and I
Speaker 1: think in general, one of the things you want in
Speaker 1: the front office is you want to be able to
Speaker 1: trust the guy's vision, and I think they absolutely do
Speaker 1: and I put him in that right bull. I think
Speaker 1: also like you don't have the trade tsunami uh become
Speaker 1: anything more than just talk unless you have less. Sneed
Speaker 1: being one of the guys that led the charge there,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think changed the way that I think
Speaker 1: you're right, and it's a it's a good it's a
Speaker 1: good question for me to have to deal with writing
Speaker 1: the rankings. It's like, how much do you knock him
Speaker 1: for the Jeff Fisher era? And essentially is this a
Speaker 1: power ranking of where they are currently or is it
Speaker 1: a total like last year. I think I looked at
Speaker 1: it because I've never done it before and thought, maybe
Speaker 1: it's a one off of their entire job, and you
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta knock him a little bit for the
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher era. But maybe Ryan Pace and Sneed are
Speaker 1: an example of there's only so much you can do
Speaker 1: if the vision of your head coach and your head
Speaker 1: coach is holding the organization back. Because I think everyone
Speaker 1: who defended Ryan Pace to me a year ago saying
Speaker 1: what could he do here? With John Fox, it really
Speaker 1: isn't fair if you kind of look at the personnel
Speaker 1: that he's actually put together. It's good they were right,
Speaker 1: you know, and he was able to change on the fly,
Speaker 1: just like Snead change on the fly together problem with
Speaker 1: body of work, like it certainly is a factor for
Speaker 1: your arms. He's been there since two thousand twelve and
Speaker 1: they were pretty mediocre, right, but less Snead should get
Speaker 1: points for evolving and changing the way the gms you
Speaker 1: would want yours the riser, he's moving up. He's the riser.
Speaker 1: I just wonder how much of the credit should be
Speaker 1: going to McVeigh. Also fair by the way, Ryan Pace
Speaker 1: dead last on Greg's rankings last year. So let's get
Speaker 1: into some risers, because I'm sure Pace has to be
Speaker 1: yeah for you at last, Greg, But do you guess riser?
Speaker 1: I mean I guess on paper. But to me, Chris
Speaker 1: Ballard is clearly the biggest riser over the last what's
Speaker 1: your favorite? That's fair. I didn't even rank him because
Speaker 1: and I would put John Dorsey right there with him.
Speaker 1: To me, those two guys are joining, they're ready to
Speaker 1: join the upper tier. I think that's absolutely fair. Ballard
Speaker 1: I left off that list because a year ago because
Speaker 1: he didn't you know, he had one year a body.
Speaker 1: You know, he hadn't even gotten to his second draft
Speaker 1: at that point. If you think about he inherited. They
Speaker 1: can't protect Luck with that offensive line, they can't run
Speaker 1: the ball, they haven't hit a hundred yard rusher in
Speaker 1: five years. They have no back bone on defense. This
Speaker 1: is an undisciplined soft team with nothing in the trenches.
Speaker 1: And they are one a degrees opposite of that man.
Speaker 1: On top of that hand, that Josh McDaniel situation, the
Speaker 1: way he handled that, the having to answer nebulous questions
Speaker 1: about Andrew Luck when your ownership is steering people in
Speaker 1: weird directions on that and just never any drama. Ballard
Speaker 1: might might vault very high on this list, and Dorsey,
Speaker 1: I think will be even higher. And the reason is
Speaker 1: Ballard gets a little bit of a boost, and it's
Speaker 1: not his fault because he's only been in the league
Speaker 1: two years and those two years have been fantastic. So
Speaker 1: you look back at Colin Kaepernick's career or many players
Speaker 1: throughout NFL history, where through two or three years they
Speaker 1: were on a trajectory to be great. But I think
Speaker 1: general managers, over time, you gotta give the experience, and
Speaker 1: you know, doing a year after year after year as
Speaker 1: a bonus. And now I look back at the Chief's
Speaker 1: time in John Dorsey, and it's like you kind of
Speaker 1: gotta give John Dorsey maybe a little more credit than
Speaker 1: I was a year ago. Uh, for what he did
Speaker 1: with him Give him credit from maneuvering up to draft
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes for the Chiefs before he left for the
Speaker 1: brown So like Ballard to me, isn't gonna get in
Speaker 1: that top five because he's only had two years. Even
Speaker 1: though those top those last two years have been as
Speaker 1: good as anyone. You can argue that Dorsey made the
Speaker 1: two best front office moves. Dorsey, of course is now
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns general manager, and he used to be
Speaker 1: with the Kansas City Chiefs, all right, Ryan Pace of course,
Speaker 1: Chicago bar where's the same Khaki's pretty much every day,
Speaker 1: and a nice Chris Ballard of the Indianapolis Colts. But
Speaker 1: Dorsey in moving up and making the power play to
Speaker 1: get Mahomes and then the recent trade of Odell Beckham,
Speaker 1: probably the two best moves any general manager has made
Speaker 1: in the last three years. He's a cowboy. Dorsey walked
Speaker 1: into a great situation. And I think that a lot
Speaker 1: of people about a year ago at this time, we're
Speaker 1: simply refused to believe that John Dorsey the experience of
Speaker 1: John Dorsey to the baseball hat, the sweatshirt like in
Speaker 1: theory and anti analytics guy, which he's he's not. They
Speaker 1: still have Paul Or they still have Deep Podesta in
Speaker 1: their in their building working with them, and they are
Speaker 1: listening to his But point being, you look back at
Speaker 1: Sashy Brown's drafts, and Sashy Brown was awesome at setting
Speaker 1: the table for what came next, But his drafts and
Speaker 1: the football people in the billing that time produced very
Speaker 1: little outside of Miles Garrett, which any one of us
Speaker 1: could have made the number one pick. Logically, John Dorsey
Speaker 1: has brought in way more talent in a short amount
Speaker 1: of draft. Was okay, it wasn't a Duke Johnson Aga
Speaker 1: it was. I would say it was a b It
Speaker 1: was a average draft in the second round, was kind
Speaker 1: of Johnson was raped. Let me lay a comparison on
Speaker 1: you here, Lyndon Baines Johnson, who historians feel is underrated
Speaker 1: compared to how the general public. Let me just jump
Speaker 1: in former president of the United States. He he became
Speaker 1: president with John F. Kennedy, was assassinated in the ninety three,
Speaker 1: got elected again. And by the way, you're not getting
Speaker 1: Now can I finish my So the number one job
Speaker 1: of the chief executive is to pass legislation. Linda Maine
Speaker 1: Johnson had the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act,
Speaker 1: the Revenue Act, the War on Poverty. This is getting
Speaker 1: Your job is to get things done. John Dorsey gets
Speaker 1: things done. He doesn't build huge portfolios of draft picks,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't really he got left all that cap space,
Speaker 1: but he converted all of it into blue chip town.
Speaker 1: That's your job, So Sashy in this case is JFK. Yes, Well,
Speaker 1: I have some issues with all of that. I don't
Speaker 1: like John Dorsey doesn't have like a ballooning the Vietnam
Speaker 1: War into an international crisis on his resume. But other
Speaker 1: than that, yes he did LBJ moved a lot of
Speaker 1: things along. Um where is Sashi these days? By the way,
Speaker 1: that's a great question. I mean he maybe he slipped
Speaker 1: back into the law field. I don't know. Um alright,
Speaker 1: any other risers before we moved to the Fallers, any
Speaker 1: other risers going once, going twice? Hold on, I'm at
Speaker 1: least while John Robinson was pretty high, think yeah, he's
Speaker 1: continuing to move up. And Tom Talsco I think quiet
Speaker 1: has done a really good job building up that roster,
Speaker 1: and they they've done it the right way where they've
Speaker 1: really done it through the draft and you can see
Speaker 1: the culmination of all the years that they've done on
Speaker 1: the roster. We um, we forgot to two guys that
Speaker 1: we should put in the new category. Mike Mayock of course,
Speaker 1: of course, and Eric the Costa of the Ravens taking
Speaker 1: over for Ozzie Knew after what was a twenty five
Speaker 1: year internship. Yeah, that's it's an interesting situation because the
Speaker 1: Costa has been very big in that organization for a
Speaker 1: long time. And I and the longer this goes on,
Speaker 1: the more I realized Asie Knew some is still kind
Speaker 1: of he might not be the GM, but he's in
Speaker 1: the the Costa role. He was at the owners meeting,
Speaker 1: he's at every league function, he's there at their office.
Speaker 1: So he's absolutely working and they worked something out that
Speaker 1: you know, he's maybe not working as hard as he
Speaker 1: used to. He's not in the top chair, but they're
Speaker 1: still like a partnership. They've just changed roles, which is
Speaker 1: a credit to them. All Right, who's falling? I think, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: they've got him in I uh that's when where I
Speaker 1: struggle with body of work, when you have moved into
Speaker 1: what feels like painful team pr mouthpiece um amidst like
Speaker 1: a rash of beguideline moves that leaves your fan base
Speaker 1: off the side of the road. And when I when
Speaker 1: I when I ranked him this high, I got some
Speaker 1: pushback from Carolina people that that Gettleman was getting too
Speaker 1: much credit. He was thirteen and that he ultimately inherited
Speaker 1: all the best players on the Panthers, which is which
Speaker 1: is accurate. You know they had the core of players
Speaker 1: there when Gettleman got there, and uh and definitely his
Speaker 1: time with the Giants hasn't helped him. I got some
Speaker 1: more followers, So you're another one John Lynch, who to
Speaker 1: me it would be fair to rank him number thirty
Speaker 1: two right now. Yeah, I don't even think he got
Speaker 1: ranked last year. He will be at the bottom, near
Speaker 1: the bottom of the list. I think a like a
Speaker 1: classic follower on and off the field over the last
Speaker 1: year since you've done this is Cardinals GM Steve Kim. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the one that that struck me as what is
Speaker 1: he doing well right now as a big time follower?
Speaker 1: And here's why because when you change coaches and everything
Speaker 1: completely falls apart. To me, that like that's the sign
Speaker 1: of a great GM is one that can win and do.
Speaker 1: I gave Demittrof a lot of credit for having two
Speaker 1: good eras too good with different coaches that I don't
Speaker 1: think of as like the best coach in the league.
Speaker 1: Kim's kind of the opposite. He lost his coach and
Speaker 1: he fell apart. I'm quite surprised still, and good for him.
Speaker 1: He's a man with a family and all that, but
Speaker 1: that he retained his job after the free fall of
Speaker 1: last season and the way Josh Rosen played and internally
Speaker 1: they obviously did not love him on top of the
Speaker 1: d why which is bad. I'll throw it out. I
Speaker 1: gotta do it, love doing it. John l Way was
Speaker 1: he was on my list too. You had him ranked
Speaker 1: seventh last year, Greg, which I would have said was
Speaker 1: high last year. This year, I think he should definitely
Speaker 1: be in the twenties, perhaps because uh, I don't think
Speaker 1: he's done much of anything positive in recent years. Obviously,
Speaker 1: he drafted Bradley Chub last year, but that was kind
Speaker 1: of a no brainer and they fell to him, So
Speaker 1: I don't give him a lot of credit for that. Uh,
Speaker 1: I was giving him credit for all those twelve win
Speaker 1: seasons in a in a champion. I get that he
Speaker 1: doesn't draft well. He hasn't been able to fix the quarterback,
Speaker 1: he hasn't been able to fix the alternative line. He
Speaker 1: has demonstrated that he can absolutely wu free agents. He
Speaker 1: at the time he had been in charge of, you
Speaker 1: know that, probably the third most successful NFL franchise throughout
Speaker 1: the decade, and so I was giving him some credit
Speaker 1: for them. He was too high. Now he was way
Speaker 1: too well. How might he can't fall too far? I
Speaker 1: think he was second to last and he still might fall.
Speaker 1: So I think you're you're odd this update. I think
Speaker 1: like I don't. I think that Dave Codwall Caldwell, and
Speaker 1: Jacksonville has He's been a part of drafts that brought
Speaker 1: a lot of talent to the Jaguars, So I don't
Speaker 1: think that he's lacks skills. But I am concerned about
Speaker 1: any of these gms that seemed to be in a
Speaker 1: place where they're in a power vacuum, where they've got
Speaker 1: all these people around them that have way more power
Speaker 1: than them. And what is Dave Caldwell's say at this
Speaker 1: point inside the organization, I got one for you guys.
Speaker 1: We did risers, we did followers, and feel free to
Speaker 1: jump in with more followers or even risers. But I
Speaker 1: got the Dalton line. Okay, Dalton scale for new listeners
Speaker 1: is uh concept we came up with where Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: Well West completely came up with. It is the prime
Speaker 1: meridian of quarterbacks. He is right in the middle. If
Speaker 1: you if your quarterbacks worse than Andy Dalton, you need
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. And if your GM is worse than
Speaker 1: this guy, you need a new GM. If he's better
Speaker 1: than him, you're probably in decent shape with in your
Speaker 1: front office. Jerry Jones m hm. I would actually had
Speaker 1: this one bolded and this is gonna be kind of
Speaker 1: inside football. But I think their VP of Personnel Will McClay.
Speaker 1: It might be their acting general manager. He gets a
Speaker 1: lot of credit from who follow that team as their
Speaker 1: personnel guy, and I think the Cowboys have actually built
Speaker 1: a pretty good roster. I would not put him as
Speaker 1: the Dalton line h Dan, and I don't know who
Speaker 1: would have given credit to. Maybe it's Mr Will, you know,
Speaker 1: not familiar with his work, uh, or it's Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: is certainly very active. I actually think as a player
Speaker 1: procurement and drafts and everything, he's been better than average.
Speaker 1: For sure. They've had some shortcomings with Jerry Jones, Like
Speaker 1: what if Duke Tobin of the Bengals is the Daltons game?
Speaker 1: Are you separating the Jerry Jones that also like annually
Speaker 1: turns the Cowboys into the biggest, biggest marketing sensation in sports. Yes,
Speaker 1: this is okay and so just from them, but I
Speaker 1: think that drafts are really good. But they are. I
Speaker 1: don't think they're Jerry Jones's drafts the way that they
Speaker 1: were in two thousand and five, to West's point, but
Speaker 1: it's Stephen Jones too, with like they talked about over
Speaker 1: the last half decade that they a lot of that
Speaker 1: has been handed off to others inside the Cowboys. He
Speaker 1: is his title in general marriage. Wait, yes, we've got
Speaker 1: an announcement. Wow, I'm willing to maybe put Mr Will's
Speaker 1: name on the GM list, maybe a slash with because
Speaker 1: and then and then another another bigger one. I'm seeing
Speaker 1: Mickey Loomis is here a number eleven last year that
Speaker 1: he is gonna be He might be totally replaced, but
Speaker 1: he's gonna get a slash Jeff Ireland slash Sean Payton.
Speaker 1: Maybe Loomis is just totally off the list. And that's
Speaker 1: because at this point I don't know, so I just
Speaker 1: I wanted to just play just for bookkeeping, um purposes
Speaker 1: and just as you put together your piece. So it's
Speaker 1: a bit of a slippery slope, a little bit of
Speaker 1: a Pandora's box. Once you start like divvying out who's
Speaker 1: making the decisions, you might have to do it for
Speaker 1: almost every team. No, I don't think there's that many.
Speaker 1: You're right, there's a few. But Loomis is a particularly
Speaker 1: as as Mark loves to point out. You know, he's
Speaker 1: usually on some you know sales called for season tickets
Speaker 1: of the New Orleans Pelicans. I don't know how much
Speaker 1: figured how much. We then Jeff Ireland has to be
Speaker 1: a riser because his stock could not have been in
Speaker 1: Jeff Ireland and Sean Payton. You do get that. I
Speaker 1: think talking to people, you do get the sense Sean
Speaker 1: Payton has has more power than most or almost any
Speaker 1: head coach. So I think Ireland and Payton are the
Speaker 1: ones really running that for for the purposes of both
Speaker 1: this conversation and your article when you start saying that
Speaker 1: Jeff Ireland is soaring up the GM power rankings when
Speaker 1: he is not in fact the GM. It's a little
Speaker 1: But what do you do with teams who just use
Speaker 1: the position? I go, I'm willing, how about Loomis? There
Speaker 1: is no official GM. I believe Loomis has a better
Speaker 1: title than that. He's like president and Consigliari and you know,
Speaker 1: executive vice president and GM. How about Loomis slash Payton then?
Speaker 1: And Ireland's not even on there. I don't know. You're
Speaker 1: gonna have to do this with I think there's like eight.
Speaker 1: Start to make my head, there's like eight teams. You
Speaker 1: have to do this, with the Patriots being one nexcessario,
Speaker 1: but every team there are obviously top of the line
Speaker 1: guys for every organization, but it's a collaborative effort for
Speaker 1: every team. I guess it was the point I was making, right.
Speaker 1: That's true because it does open it up because John
Speaker 1: Gruden would have to get on there with the Raiders.
Speaker 1: There's no way that has more power. Jeff Ireland is
Speaker 1: the wind beneath the wings of Mickey Loomis. Jeff, I
Speaker 1: can you use an article the Wind Beneath the Wings rankings.
Speaker 1: He's had a very Rick Spielman like comeback. So Rick
Speaker 1: Spielman's the GM of the Vikings who left Miami. I
Speaker 1: think he's on his third team. Uh left Miami in
Speaker 1: ridicule in the mid two thousands, I mean, Dolphins fans
Speaker 1: chased them out of town. They they thought he was
Speaker 1: a joke, And he's had a great run in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Jeff Ireland similarly run out of town in Miami as
Speaker 1: a joke and now is doing great with New Orleans.
Speaker 1: So that kind of makes you wonder, what's the real Well,
Speaker 1: it's just it's well, it's a lesson in scapegoating, because
Speaker 1: it's like you're either scapegoating the coach or the GM.
Speaker 1: It has to be. It can't be one of these
Speaker 1: wind Beneath the Wings guys that no one's heard of.
Speaker 1: It's got to be someone who's been lashed in the
Speaker 1: press for going on months. Spelman has built a good
Speaker 1: roster for the last half decade. That's true for new listeners.
Speaker 1: Wind Beneath the Wings a very popular U nineteen eighties
Speaker 1: song sung by Bette Midler made famous in the movie Beaches,
Speaker 1: also starring Barbara Hershey, they upload some information into your
Speaker 1: central processing unit. That was good. There's a lot of info.
Speaker 1: Mama Mom was a big fan. That was about nine
Speaker 1: or ten at my mom. I think that soundtrack as
Speaker 1: I recall, oh yeah, my mom over. Um, all right,
Speaker 1: mind too, you're very overtime. No, it's just like okay,
Speaker 1: who I mean, did you just roll your park? Actually
Speaker 1: Mark is already doing chores in his mind. He all right,
Speaker 1: good do can you find um Ricky to play out
Speaker 1: today's show? Um, we can't play the actual wind Beneath
Speaker 1: My Wings song, but a similar equivalent in our library
Speaker 1: I can try. All right, let's break down the schedule again.
Speaker 1: Two weeks off from the draft, so next week you'll
Speaker 1: get another show on Monday and Thursday morning, because then
Speaker 1: we are on the road. We're heading south for the
Speaker 1: Chris Westling bachelor Party. I hope to have Connie on
Speaker 1: one of the shows next week, and we will do
Speaker 1: one of our favorite segments. Uh, you're the GM makes
Speaker 1: its return next week, so tune in for that UM
Speaker 1: and Twitter show Wednesday, UM thirty Pacific one thirty Eastern
Speaker 1: maybe five thirty in London. And then next the week
Speaker 1: After that is Draft weekend. We're back three shows and
Speaker 1: a Twitter show, a lot of content, so good stuff.
Speaker 1: This is Dan handsOn signing off four Quiet Storm. Listen
Speaker 1: to that beautiful The mail Man, the old Boss Ricky
Speaker 1: Hollywood behind the glass until Monday m the sum I
Speaker 1: offer to the w