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Speaker 1: hear the ambient noise outside because it's, uh, it was
Speaker 1: like too hot in here, so I had the open windows.
Speaker 1: So it sounds very very unprofessional. Um. Jim West in
Speaker 1: studio and it's so funny. The last time that Jack
Speaker 1: and I were on we talked about the new book,
Speaker 1: Messages from Beyond, and we and I was basically saying, like,
Speaker 1: is this book ever gonna come out? Because Jim has
Speaker 1: talked at this point about three books coming out and
Speaker 1: it's actually out. Also in studio with us is Charlene
Speaker 1: to sell with the co author who I'm meeting for
Speaker 1: the first time. I've talked to Jim countless time, So
Speaker 1: nice to meet you. Nice meet you too. So I
Speaker 1: think the first thing to get into is like, how
Speaker 1: did you two hook up? When you told me that
Speaker 1: you were working with a co author. I assumed it
Speaker 1: was someone older writing from the experience of you who
Speaker 1: just turned sixty five, and I I didn't expect your
Speaker 1: call author to be a twenty five year old young
Speaker 1: female author. Yeah. That that's kind of weird because in
Speaker 1: this you know, we were working I was working on
Speaker 1: the autobiography. So this book is not my autobiography. It
Speaker 1: is gonna be coming out within a year. Um. And
Speaker 1: I was working with Jack for a long time. Jack's
Speaker 1: a great writer, as we know. And the deal is,
Speaker 1: we got to a certain point within the book and
Speaker 1: he said, Jim, this is like the hardest thing I've
Speaker 1: ever had to do, and it's the right as if
Speaker 1: I'm another person, like I'm mute. So um. He turned
Speaker 1: over the manuscript and everything that we've been working on
Speaker 1: for actually a couple of years. And uh, so I
Speaker 1: started working on it. And I don't know how many
Speaker 1: copies you've seen, but I've been through quite a few,
Speaker 1: you know, just updating all the time. And then I
Speaker 1: met with a guy here in the city, uh who's
Speaker 1: a business agent, and he says he looked at my
Speaker 1: business plan, which is failing many areas, and he says, so,
Speaker 1: of the many things I would like to do, let's
Speaker 1: get your autobiography out, but let's make it the last book.
Speaker 1: You're right now. What sent means put another book out,
Speaker 1: but two or three books. I put one out of
Speaker 1: quarter one a month. He's a bill momentum with these books.
Speaker 1: Before we put your autobiography out of Okay, I'll do that.
Speaker 1: So I started writing what what I'm best at, and
Speaker 1: that's fighting. And also I had a lot of street fights,
Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of street fights, and I'm a tenth
Speaker 1: to greet black belt martial arts. Uh. I've trained competitors
Speaker 1: for the UFC, trained Dale and many others. I've trained
Speaker 1: Navy seals, uh see I agency guys now you know,
Speaker 1: formal competitors seeing on pay per view and all that
Speaker 1: good stuff. So it's just what I do best. I've
Speaker 1: been fighting my whole life. So I started. I figured, well,
Speaker 1: the best thing I can do with the second book,
Speaker 1: which will come out, is I would tell a fight story.
Speaker 1: And there twenty three technical fight principles that were written
Speaker 1: by Joe Lewis, Bruce Lee and all that crowd. And
Speaker 1: I did a lot of training with Joe Lewis through
Speaker 1: the years, so I adopted the and I said, well,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be very difficult for the average reader to
Speaker 1: really grasp and learn what twenty three technical fight principles are,
Speaker 1: so we had to break that down in a different way.
Speaker 1: And and so I started writing this book, and I
Speaker 1: write a story about a boat you know, knockdown, drag
Speaker 1: out ball room brawl, some of which we're told right
Speaker 1: here on your show. And uh then it as I
Speaker 1: got closer to the what I thought might be the end,
Speaker 1: I go, man, I just can't get this book out there,
Speaker 1: like you know, once again here we are, I can't
Speaker 1: kick it over the finish line. And the main reason
Speaker 1: was because I thought of myself as sort of a
Speaker 1: sage that anyone, anyone could learn from, not just professional
Speaker 1: fighters or basic karate student, but people on the street
Speaker 1: they don't have time to hit the gym, but are
Speaker 1: concerned about getting mug jump, you know, just basic street survival.
Speaker 1: So I said, who wants to learn from a sage
Speaker 1: that's got a book full of bar you know, drunken
Speaker 1: barroom brawls. You know, So what am I? How am
Speaker 1: I gonna learn from a drunk right? Although this audience
Speaker 1: knows your background, you know, I like, I feel like
Speaker 1: this audience is gonna pack up anything you put out,
Speaker 1: which you know, and the current book, which you should say,
Speaker 1: his messages from beyond, which they're gonna pick up. So
Speaker 1: this is the neat thing because Charlene wanted to expand
Speaker 1: my background. Uh you know the audience and and I'll
Speaker 1: tell you how that works. So I thought about, I
Speaker 1: gotta come up with something else. And about a month
Speaker 1: and a half, two months ago, I'm driving down the
Speaker 1: road going on Sundays, I go to the Sands down
Speaker 1: in Bethlehem, and it's when that arctic blast was coming
Speaker 1: through and it was like two degrees outside. All the
Speaker 1: trees are barrenness, misty, rainy, and I've seen this hawk
Speaker 1: sitting on top of a tree like he's pulling guard duty.
Speaker 1: And for the next seven or eight miles the sky
Speaker 1: is full of like crows just being whipped around. And
Speaker 1: at the very same time, I'm talking to one of
Speaker 1: my uh former Special Forces brothers named Paul Williams, and
Speaker 1: I've known for forty two years. He's a Louisiana Cajun
Speaker 1: creole kind of guy that has a neat accent. It
Speaker 1: was Sunday morning, and said, all this images were coming
Speaker 1: to me at one time. I'm talking to Paul. I said,
Speaker 1: I didn't wake up that a Paul, And he goes, no, man,
Speaker 1: he's got that accent, you know. He goes, I'm getting
Speaker 1: ready to go to church. Isn't really, I said, I
Speaker 1: didn't know. I'm knowing you for all these years, I
Speaker 1: never knew that you went to church. And Paul goes, no, man,
Speaker 1: he says, uh, you know, I hadn't lived in perfect life,
Speaker 1: he said. And you know God's coming, he said, But Jim,
Speaker 1: the Devil's coming too, he says. I like, I like
Speaker 1: to be prepared, you know, And and I'm you know,
Speaker 1: visually taking in all this other stuff with the birds
Speaker 1: and stuff. Which I just had this epiphany at that
Speaker 1: and I'd already hired. I'll tell you why I picked Charlene.
Speaker 1: But I called Charlene, I said, I had this epiphany.
Speaker 1: I explained the same story to her. What do you
Speaker 1: think that that would be awesome? Right? And so I'll
Speaker 1: put down the you know pages Monday morning, sent it
Speaker 1: to her, and I to tell you Charlene is a
Speaker 1: if you need a writer, and she's a good one.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. You know, Jack Murphy and I
Speaker 1: click on every single level, you know, technically tactically as friends,
Speaker 1: but to write as you know, first person, like you're
Speaker 1: actually that person, you really got to get into their
Speaker 1: head in a different way. Right. But which, as I said,
Speaker 1: that was so funny though, because Jack's life is quite
Speaker 1: a lot more similar to yours than Charleen's. You were
Speaker 1: you both were in the army. You both were special operations.
Speaker 1: He you're quite older, but but he has that experience.
Speaker 1: So I mean, it's just it's obviously a very unique
Speaker 1: skill that not everybody's going to have. But I actually
Speaker 1: want to hear from Surelie, how did you guys actually
Speaker 1: meet before the concept of the butt Um? He contacted
Speaker 1: me on the internet. He found me, and uh, we
Speaker 1: start talking through email. It just happened that we were
Speaker 1: both in the city, so it was even better because
Speaker 1: we're able to meet face to face and we just
Speaker 1: basically hit off from there, you know. Um yeah, we
Speaker 1: started meaning like every week, like like twice a week,
Speaker 1: twice or three times a week, and yeah, we just um,
Speaker 1: you know, Jim told me his ideas and I've never
Speaker 1: worked with anybody who has his background. I never worked
Speaker 1: with anybody who was in the military. Um, people usually
Speaker 1: work with this far far different than than Jim Man
Speaker 1: For me, Um, it's very exciting. Um, Jesse hear about
Speaker 1: these things because I've never heard such stories that Jim
Speaker 1: has told me. So I'm like, yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: just want to learn more. Um, it's really really great
Speaker 1: and I absolutely love marking with Jim. He's such a
Speaker 1: great guy and he's such a unique character. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you will never find anybody like Jim west never, Like
Speaker 1: this is like the one and only, so they only
Speaker 1: be one in Weston. That's that's end. Basically, I couldn't
Speaker 1: agree more so. So then where did the messages from
Speaker 1: beyond what you're getting into, the messages from beyond concepts
Speaker 1: come from? You know that conversation? How did it flush out? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So so what happened was, like she said, I went
Speaker 1: online from my my perspective, I decided I want to
Speaker 1: get these books written. It was the fight book originally,
Speaker 1: and maybe if that went well, we could work on
Speaker 1: the autobiography together. And so she's one of the more
Speaker 1: expensive online but she you know, and I didn't know
Speaker 1: she was New York based until we communicated a few times,
Speaker 1: which you know, we started meeting, and uh, when I
Speaker 1: was talking about these technical fight principles that there they
Speaker 1: you know, it's about how to develop speed and timing, rhythm,
Speaker 1: all kinds of what most people consider fight conversation that
Speaker 1: you could learn from. And so I center all these documents,
Speaker 1: and I'm driving back from the sands down in Pennsylvania
Speaker 1: now talking to her on the phone. I said, so,
Speaker 1: we're getting ready to hang up any more questions because
Speaker 1: we're also interviewed on the phone quite a bit. And
Speaker 1: she says, yeah, these technical fight principles, could you tell
Speaker 1: me about breath control? And I'm like, holy shit. Excuse
Speaker 1: my language as as I like, holy sh it. I said,
Speaker 1: of all the things, that's the one thing that you
Speaker 1: want to ask me. I said, that's the most probably
Speaker 1: the most complicated, complex part of all of the fight principles.
Speaker 1: And uh, in my inner being was telling me some
Speaker 1: part of Charlene has experienced moments in her life where
Speaker 1: she's lost her breath and maybe some panic may have
Speaker 1: set in. And being that she's a twenty five year
Speaker 1: old female, and one thing that we haven't talked about,
Speaker 1: she also has a second grade black belt in taekwondo.
Speaker 1: She does she does understand some fight fighting training and stuff.
Speaker 1: So the commonality started coming together other and uh, the
Speaker 1: fact that you know a younger female, even an older
Speaker 1: female for that matter, could could go straight to that
Speaker 1: breath control tells me they have experienced, which even to
Speaker 1: this day. I don't. She hasn't confided in me, but
Speaker 1: I know that there's some part of her that has
Speaker 1: been been confronted with the situation like that, and it's
Speaker 1: very personal and passionate to her. And that that was
Speaker 1: the common common bond, that the glue that I said,
Speaker 1: I need to talk more, I need to share more,
Speaker 1: and and so and trust me, we go through, I'll
Speaker 1: write something. She makes it better. I said, No, that's
Speaker 1: not the way I talked. She makes it better. And
Speaker 1: I mean it's not like I just sent her a manuscript.
Speaker 1: She puts as much time into it as I do, honestly,
Speaker 1: and and really I think, try to put yourself into
Speaker 1: my shoes. Yeah, absolutely, Um, yeah, I mean the whole
Speaker 1: breath control thing. I mean, I'll tell you why though.
Speaker 1: It's because I mean, it's not besides the personal experience
Speaker 1: which I had outside of sparring. Like within, I was
Speaker 1: just thinking about in turns, when I used to spar
Speaker 1: in tournaments and stuff like that, when we have like
Speaker 1: points sparring and all that, I would just lose my
Speaker 1: breath so quickly and I will just get so worn,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's just like exhausted because I'm facing
Speaker 1: against other people who are also in their prime, and
Speaker 1: they're like kicking my ass. So by the end of it, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. Because breath control. I mean, whether you're
Speaker 1: in the streets here in the studio, you know, like,
Speaker 1: oh god, I've got New York noise in the background,
Speaker 1: you have that moment of hesitation, and you know me
Speaker 1: pretty well, uh I. And one of the things I
Speaker 1: preach in life is just zero hesitation. And so we
Speaker 1: had a lengthy conversation about how to even train yourself
Speaker 1: not only to exhaustion, but through exhaustion. So we got
Speaker 1: into a lot of that stuff. But anyway, like I said,
Speaker 1: the message is from beyond this new book. Uh. When
Speaker 1: I had this epiphany, I thought about how can I
Speaker 1: how can I set the stage so that when the
Speaker 1: people buy my next books. I mean, half of my
Speaker 1: adult life before, up until the point that my oldest
Speaker 1: son was murdered sixteen years ago, I just hurt a
Speaker 1: lot of people. I was a different person. I didn't
Speaker 1: care much about people's feelings physically or mentally. I just
Speaker 1: enjoyed almost hurting people. I mean, you know, Charlie seen
Speaker 1: seeing my entire background, and she's interviewed quite a few
Speaker 1: people also, and she'll tell you, I've had a pretty
Speaker 1: tragical upbringing, right, so and and so even in the
Speaker 1: next book, I can tell you what the name is
Speaker 1: gonna be already as long as it's it's not copyrighted
Speaker 1: somewhere else. It's uh, it's called the turning point. So
Speaker 1: we had to pick a point in my life that
Speaker 1: instead of hurting people, I could start helping people. That's
Speaker 1: kind of what the second book is driving towards. But
Speaker 1: just to get back to this book in particular, the
Speaker 1: focal point is like near death experience, and that's where
Speaker 1: the book starts out. It's not near death, it's death. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if if you want to put it that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he actually was pronounced dead. Um he um. Jim was
Speaker 1: involved in the car crash and he basically by the
Speaker 1: time he got there, he was like pronounced dead, like
Speaker 1: legally dead. So I mean you'll see you in the
Speaker 1: book and uh, yeah, it's quite he just manages manages
Speaker 1: to come back alive. You just just wake up. And
Speaker 1: I mean once you once you read the book, you'll
Speaker 1: see what happens. But yeah, it's really quite amazing what
Speaker 1: happens between from the time that he dies to the
Speaker 1: moment that he wakes up. Yeah. So yeah, and this
Speaker 1: is something you've ever really talked about. What what made
Speaker 1: you decide that this is how you wanted to start
Speaker 1: the first bucket in a series of books. It seems well.
Speaker 1: And I may even ask Charlene to uh step in
Speaker 1: here anytime, you know, in order to get that second
Speaker 1: book out, which would lead to the autobiography, which is
Speaker 1: another complex story. And I thought about a turning point
Speaker 1: of when my son died, and then I said, the
Speaker 1: more I thought about it, I started realizing that there's
Speaker 1: a common thread. That's why I say messages and and
Speaker 1: the thought is that as human beings, we received messages
Speaker 1: all the time, maybe in dreams or nightmares or visions.
Speaker 1: You don't have to die necessarily. But that took me
Speaker 1: to a place and and I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I didn't see bright lights until many years later in
Speaker 1: an actual dream. And it dawned on me as we
Speaker 1: were discussing all this stuff that there's a thread that
Speaker 1: I've been aware of. It's like early warnings that have
Speaker 1: been out there in my life, my whole life, that
Speaker 1: I've chosen to ignore, so even driving towards some of
Speaker 1: the fights and the rest of my life, the messages
Speaker 1: from beyond. Yeah, it tells a story about what I
Speaker 1: experienced when I was pronounced dead, but it also has
Speaker 1: a thread that that ties everything together before actually during
Speaker 1: that time and even in my thoughts today. So I
Speaker 1: just thought it would be a great way to introduce
Speaker 1: myself to the world before you read the bad and
Speaker 1: the good and you know, all the other stuff, because
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that motivate me that otherwise
Speaker 1: it would would not make sense to read some of
Speaker 1: the stuff that's gonna come out in the future. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And I think, uh, we discussed about this. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people who know Jim or heard about Jim,
Speaker 1: they want to hear all the I'm gonna necessarily call
Speaker 1: it that stuff, but him like, you know, being a badass.
Speaker 1: You know, all the fights that he's been in and all, um,
Speaker 1: all the operations he participating in. I think a lot
Speaker 1: a lot of people will be surprised or probably shocked
Speaker 1: by this first book because it shows a totally different
Speaker 1: sign of Jim. You know, you know that dreams and
Speaker 1: nightmares aspect the messages that they hold in the PTSD aspect,
Speaker 1: which a lot of that's deal with. It's a common
Speaker 1: thread so we touch upon that as well. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's incredibly interesting because it just definitely
Speaker 1: shows a whole different syogen Yeah. I don't glass you
Speaker 1: brought that up, because it does drive to you know,
Speaker 1: a big part of my One of the things I
Speaker 1: think about on a day to day basis is that
Speaker 1: there's not just military but there's like two guys a day,
Speaker 1: you know with PTSD, combat veterans that commits suicide. But
Speaker 1: cause they don't have anything to reach into to go,
Speaker 1: it's okay to make mistakes. Well, you know, with these
Speaker 1: turning points in my life, and when I started flashing
Speaker 1: back to I mean, I almost put this death experience
Speaker 1: away for a long time as if it didn't really happen.
Speaker 1: And as as I got older and I'm blessed to
Speaker 1: be at sixty five, to be really honest, then I
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to share my story so that we
Speaker 1: can actually help guys to have PTSD. And it's just
Speaker 1: not that but you know, rape victims, assault victims, you know,
Speaker 1: car crash people that have PTSD. You know, if you
Speaker 1: don't do certain stuff and don't know where to reach.
Speaker 1: You're crawl into this cave somewhere where you gotta have
Speaker 1: spen alone time. And frankly, that's some bad things happen.
Speaker 1: And I found a way to occupy that alone time
Speaker 1: with messages and thoughts that aren't all negative. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know that was a dark time because you know when
Speaker 1: when Leo Jenkins and those guys came to New York
Speaker 1: and read their poetry, you did. I I just said,
Speaker 1: don't know if you want to shake my hand, I
Speaker 1: a little bit of a cold gul goes to shake
Speaker 1: my hand. But yeah, you you wrote a very dark
Speaker 1: poem about that time of being in your cave and
Speaker 1: and you know, not communicating with the outside world. That's perfect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that that I kept writing that. I said one day,
Speaker 1: I know I like writing because when I'm ever since
Speaker 1: I met Jack, and I would encourage anybody to write,
Speaker 1: not just for any other reason. But I'll share a story.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I went to cannot share my PTSD story?
Speaker 1: Of course, Well I'll tell you what it is. I
Speaker 1: wasn't constant denial all my time, my whole life. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't have PTSD just like everyone else. And uh
Speaker 1: you know, when my son got killed, I couldn't tell
Speaker 1: you that that turning point happened the day after. It
Speaker 1: might have taken my five to eight years as my
Speaker 1: world started coming to a grind. I mean, immediately after
Speaker 1: his passing away, I just wanted to get drunk and
Speaker 1: I was angry and I didn't want to be saying
Speaker 1: I want to talk about it. I got a few fights.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was hitting down a really dark path. Now.
Speaker 1: I thought maybe if I write a write a poet
Speaker 1: of music anything, you know. Now, I didn't put any
Speaker 1: any true value on what writing can do for certain people,
Speaker 1: but I tried and put it away, and I got
Speaker 1: all these thousands of documents that I think Charlene is
Speaker 1: in possession of now that you know, I just it's
Speaker 1: not it's not grouped together in his specific fashion. That's
Speaker 1: another thing that she's really great at, is making sense
Speaker 1: of it all after all kinds of interviews together and meetings.
Speaker 1: But uh so, what happened is this grind finally got
Speaker 1: to me. With the economy failing trying to stay work,
Speaker 1: I got screwed over in business life twenty years ago
Speaker 1: by some guy out of Richmond, Virginia that embezzled a
Speaker 1: lot of my money. Yeah, his first name is David.
Speaker 1: I leave it that know, some people will know who
Speaker 1: he is. He's a gym but not not not not
Speaker 1: a j I am. But uh so, anyway with this,
Speaker 1: you know, I was, I was kind of in my pits.
Speaker 1: And it's also mentioned in the book. We talked about
Speaker 1: my son's death and things that we shared ahead of
Speaker 1: time before he died. This is why these messages kind
Speaker 1: of all string together. They've been there the whole time.
Speaker 1: But as uh as as as I was getting into
Speaker 1: this stuff, I got up to New York and I
Speaker 1: didn't realize that being a Southerner in New York in
Speaker 1: the middle of the winter with a bunch of hardcore
Speaker 1: construction work is that the culture is totally different. I
Speaker 1: was on my feet all day, all the combat wounds,
Speaker 1: all the ruck sack marches, all the stuff that aches
Speaker 1: your body. You know, it gets amplified in New York
Speaker 1: when you're standing around all it's cold, your joints hurt
Speaker 1: if you're healthy, right, and uh I was like, holy crap,
Speaker 1: I'm dying. I'm getting ahold. You know, there's just I'm
Speaker 1: much tougher than this. I'm still battling with myself. And
Speaker 1: I kept flashing by to when my son got killed,
Speaker 1: and eventually my whole world came to a screeching halt,
Speaker 1: at which point in time I personally felt like my
Speaker 1: son was killed because it was karma, that God was
Speaker 1: punishing me for everything I've done bad in my life.
Speaker 1: And then I started feeling shame guilty about things I
Speaker 1: should be proud of. You know, I'm really fortunate to
Speaker 1: have gotten through that that pride, you know, where I
Speaker 1: could start feeling prideful of the things I did accomplish
Speaker 1: through my life. Which, by the way, we talked about
Speaker 1: my son earlier when I said, think about the things
Speaker 1: that you did, do you know, forget about the bad stuff.
Speaker 1: It's not to forget about it. What your other son.
Speaker 1: It was something we were talking about. Yes, yeah, I
Speaker 1: have another son that occasionally his daddy's advice. Right so,
Speaker 1: but but but as it goes forward, I was talking
Speaker 1: to my friends and I said, Jim, you need to
Speaker 1: go to the v A. You need to check in.
Speaker 1: I'm like a funk this. I was feeling kind of violent. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I showed up at the v A here in the
Speaker 1: Bronx and I went to the PTSD clinic, never been there. Embarrassed,
Speaker 1: this isn't who I am, you know, and why are
Speaker 1: you here? I said, Wow, I don't know, and this
Speaker 1: is a true statement. I said, I'm functionally fucked up.
Speaker 1: I said, what do you mean? You're functionally fucked up?
Speaker 1: Is it? Well? I get up every day, I go
Speaker 1: to work every day. I'm really good at what I do.
Speaker 1: Then I go home at night, and then I go
Speaker 1: to sleep, and then all that ship comes back to me,
Speaker 1: those dreams as nightmares of people being killed, of killing people,
Speaker 1: whatever it is. I mean, it just comes back of
Speaker 1: my son's death, of just so many thoughts that just
Speaker 1: flood your brain. And trust me, I could see where
Speaker 1: if a person had no outlet or nothing else to
Speaker 1: draw from, he could think about, you know, taking his
Speaker 1: own life or hurting someone else. And you know, we
Speaker 1: want to get away from that, right So uh. Then
Speaker 1: there he asked me, well, do you feel like hurting
Speaker 1: anybody now? I said, no, No, one's pissed me off lately.
Speaker 1: You know, do you feel like hurting yourself? And I
Speaker 1: refrain from telling them that. At one point I did
Speaker 1: in my life, and it's gonna be in one of
Speaker 1: my other books. Uh, but that was just a ten
Speaker 1: second fleeting moment that never entered my mind before or after.
Speaker 1: It was just you know sometimes that that flash gets you,
Speaker 1: you know. But so I was going through the the
Speaker 1: normal you know, rigors of you know, going to therapists,
Speaker 1: going to social workers to see if I was lying
Speaker 1: or whatever. And the number one question they kept asking
Speaker 1: me is your PTSD because your son died the way
Speaker 1: you brought up or because of combat? And I said,
Speaker 1: I think it's all of them, and it's all tied
Speaker 1: together here actually. But um so finally I went to
Speaker 1: see this doctor, actual psychiatrist, and I thought he was
Speaker 1: an Arab. I'm looking out at the TV monitor right
Speaker 1: outside of his office and he's asking tell me about
Speaker 1: the first time you ever killed anybody. And then of
Speaker 1: course I was in the desert too, and uh, if
Speaker 1: you go on on the internet and look up the
Speaker 1: Highway of Death and after the Desert storm or you'll
Speaker 1: see one of the places I had the luxury spending
Speaker 1: time with tens of thousands of dead people. But you know,
Speaker 1: so I was I was saying, I don't want to
Speaker 1: talk to this guy, and who the funk are you?
Speaker 1: I'm getting out of here. And so I just left
Speaker 1: and I called one of my friends, actually, Gary O'Neil.
Speaker 1: I said, Gary, I can't. I can't do this. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna get benefits. I'm never gonna get care.
Speaker 1: Screw this, I'm not doing it. He says, that's perfect, Gems.
Speaker 1: What do you mean that's perfect? He says, you did
Speaker 1: exactly what guys of PTSD would be doing. I said, really,
Speaker 1: what should I do now? He just go back? I said,
Speaker 1: should I get another? Doctor? Said no, go back to
Speaker 1: the very same doctor. I'm like fuck. So I did.
Speaker 1: And it took a little while. I went back and
Speaker 1: I thought I would shift gears so I wouldn't talk
Speaker 1: about anything to happen in the desert. I talked about
Speaker 1: some covert operations and I did down in Central America
Speaker 1: where people were killed and UH, specifically, UH one of
Speaker 1: the local command general's sons got killed not two feet
Speaker 1: to my left, had half his head and neck blown
Speaker 1: out and lashed on me. And you know, the details
Speaker 1: of the story will come out later. But so I
Speaker 1: figured out telling this story, and then I went and
Speaker 1: I finished up there. They sentthing back to the follow
Speaker 1: up treatment, uh, you know, interviews with the social workers
Speaker 1: and therapists. And I said, they said, well, and they
Speaker 1: had access to all the notes. And I said, look,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to talk about whatever whatever happened, does
Speaker 1: it storm? So I figured out there's something from Central
Speaker 1: and South America down there, which happened to be in
Speaker 1: the country of Colombia. They said, well, this doctor just
Speaker 1: happens to be from Colombia and he was very familiar
Speaker 1: with this story. And I'm like, wow. So I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that I was being believed, you know. And and
Speaker 1: I thought, that's very cool that you know that I
Speaker 1: got through that by accident of telling a story that
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to bullshit about. Its real,
Speaker 1: you know, And and you know me, Ian, I like
Speaker 1: to keep it real. Yeah, I mean, you've you've done
Speaker 1: a remarkable job of like dealing with all these demons.
Speaker 1: I really feel because when you talk about the way
Speaker 1: that you were at that time, and I'm guessing you
Speaker 1: can end of act for this too farly, and like
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't know the Gym West who
Speaker 1: is a super violent, angry guy, like the guy I
Speaker 1: see always has a smile on his face, and it
Speaker 1: is like one of the nicest people I know. And
Speaker 1: I have a feeling if I met Jim westron like
Speaker 1: the early nineties, I wouldn't feel the same way. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I mean we go. We showed some details
Speaker 1: in the book about that too. It's like how Jim
Speaker 1: west was before and how Jim west was now. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just a sort of all the whole PTSD aspect um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's definitely UM shaped him and shaped many people, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like this book will be a testament to
Speaker 1: some guys that that you can fix this, especially guys
Speaker 1: in your age range, because so many of the men
Speaker 1: writing books are in their twenties, thirties, forties, they're not
Speaker 1: sixty five. Well two things, Ian And I'm sure you know,
Speaker 1: because you know all the large body of people writing
Speaker 1: books and a lot of the vets, they're trying to
Speaker 1: kill theself, kill somebody, or they're drunk or drugs. You know,
Speaker 1: there are very few of them that just walk away
Speaker 1: clean and and are able to just deal with it.
Speaker 1: And I found that writing itself. When I went to
Speaker 1: UH cognitive processing therapy it's twelve weeks, ninety minutes a week.
Speaker 1: You have to well write about, you know, any traumatic
Speaker 1: event in your life. And I go, okay, so I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the hell is this? I write a little thing
Speaker 1: and I go back. That doesn't matter where you start.
Speaker 1: Don't have to be about combat, anybody you've killed. It
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be about your son, get a step on,
Speaker 1: a nail on your kid. It could be anything. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But like pulling the thread on a sweater, Jim,
Speaker 1: over time, it will all come become unraveled, you know.
Speaker 1: And about my sixth session, I actually had the nerve
Speaker 1: and the courage to right about my son. And you
Speaker 1: have to read these out loud, you know, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: and I broke down right on the spot in the VM, like,
Speaker 1: you know, this is awful. But because I was it
Speaker 1: really writing about my son, I found that I was
Speaker 1: being very selfish and writing about myself. And you know what,
Speaker 1: what my ideas, what my thoughts ought to be, and
Speaker 1: there's no real consideration or compassion for my son. But anyway,
Speaker 1: as I get through this, one of the things I
Speaker 1: know about writing, whether you ever get published or not,
Speaker 1: it's not even an issue. But when you write your
Speaker 1: thoughts down, you can write without being judged. Nobody's piping
Speaker 1: in going what about this? You should be this way.
Speaker 1: You should think like that these are your thoughts, man,
Speaker 1: and yours alone, and you can write them anyway you
Speaker 1: want to write them, you know. Unfortunately I got Jack
Speaker 1: Murphy in the beginning, and then Charlene can actually kind
Speaker 1: of step into my shoes, which is odd, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's just all coming to it's a good
Speaker 1: place now. Since since you mentioned that, like, as a writer,
Speaker 1: when do you realize you have the skill to write
Speaker 1: from someone else's perspective? I was telling Jim before we recorded.
Speaker 1: I've become friends with Anthony Bows, who wrote for Rolling Stone,
Speaker 1: and he also co wrote, or you could even say
Speaker 1: ghost wrote. His name is on these books, but Slashes book,
Speaker 1: Tommy Lee's book, Derek Jeter, and a lot of these guys,
Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say, are not sitting by
Speaker 1: a computer writing out a full book and it's their voice,
Speaker 1: but it's really Anthony Bows's book. And I think that's
Speaker 1: a special skill because as as Jack said, as Jim said,
Speaker 1: Jack for example, is an excellent writer, but struggled with
Speaker 1: writing from someone else's perspective. It's not something everyone could do, right.
Speaker 1: I think it's like if you have too many some
Speaker 1: like if you're similar in many ways. Um like for me, Um,
Speaker 1: of course I'm not Jim West. Um my experiences as
Speaker 1: a twenty five year old is different than his. So um,
Speaker 1: it's just like for um co writers or if you
Speaker 1: want to call ghost writers, it's just you have to
Speaker 1: have sort of a natural curiosity about it, you know,
Speaker 1: and disregard your your own person own beliefs and just
Speaker 1: you know, just let go with the flow. You know.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, yeah, I I goes written in Colebrand
Speaker 1: for other people in UM, I know, I can't really say.
Speaker 1: I think it's more of a curiosity aspect, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's just that Jim speaks so candidly that there's
Speaker 1: a certain there's and and when Jim speaks on the show,
Speaker 1: you know Jim's voice. And when people read this book
Speaker 1: and these are one Jim stories, and Jim wrote a
Speaker 1: lot of it, but needed your help in getting this
Speaker 1: whole thing finalizes. We're talking before timeline, and all these
Speaker 1: things are very hard to piece together. Just finding the
Speaker 1: right person who could who could help write this and
Speaker 1: make it sound as if this is Jim. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's I couldn't do it, you know what I mean. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: absolutely know. I think there's a lot of people who
Speaker 1: can't really do it. Um, But you know it's Jim.
Speaker 1: Jim is so real that and he's so candid about
Speaker 1: saying it actually makes it easy to write, you know. UM,
Speaker 1: And UM, I really do appreciate that because it makes um,
Speaker 1: you know, our partnership just like so easy and so natural, um,
Speaker 1: even though we're from totally two different worlds, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: You know my family is not from the United States, um,
Speaker 1: and you know my family is you're originally from here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was born in Massachusetts, so like like a little
Speaker 1: close to the Boston area. So uh yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: but yeah, like I was saying, it's just like I
Speaker 1: tell you understand why people would say, oh, like, how
Speaker 1: could you possibly right for another person? You know, um,
Speaker 1: a six five year old man, um, who was who
Speaker 1: was in the Special Forces, who accomplished all these things,
Speaker 1: And it's just like, you know, I think what it
Speaker 1: is is I'm always decited to hear Jim's stories really,
Speaker 1: it's like I want to learn more. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think a big aspect of it is that Jim is
Speaker 1: so open to talking about the darkest moments of his life.
Speaker 1: You don't have that same process of someone who wants
Speaker 1: to sugarcoat everything. We were talking about Jack's book before
Speaker 1: we started recording, for example, and and I don't want
Speaker 1: to spoil Jack's book for people, but he talks about
Speaker 1: some very dark moments that he has never discussed on
Speaker 1: this podcast before, that I've never discussed with him in person. Uh,
Speaker 1: that I didn't know about. I heard rumors about some
Speaker 1: of it. But the book confirms certain things. And I
Speaker 1: think for a lot of people they want to hide
Speaker 1: that away. And for you, you've become an open book.
Speaker 1: So it probably makes it easier for Charlene and and
Speaker 1: even for yourself to just get a book out there
Speaker 1: and say this is me. I'm not gonna hide anything. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, just like the moment that I know about
Speaker 1: this breath control, I got this is the person that's
Speaker 1: gonna write my book, because who else would ask that question?
Speaker 1: And just you know, you have to have something else
Speaker 1: going on. I don't know what it is with Jack,
Speaker 1: you know, I met him to a third party that's
Speaker 1: an avid fan of Soft Rep. Probably knows more about
Speaker 1: me and Jack we know about ourselves, you know, and uh,
Speaker 1: you need to meet this guy, Jack Murphy Man. You
Speaker 1: need to meet him, he said, okay. So a week
Speaker 1: later we met at the village. Then and uh, he's
Speaker 1: you know, the first thing was he's telling me about him.
Speaker 1: I was telling about me, and you know, Jackson's skeptical
Speaker 1: and I get that. And uh, he says he's been
Speaker 1: trying to get in touch a guy named GARYL. Neil.
Speaker 1: I said, well, I got his number right here. He goes,
Speaker 1: what you got his number and called I called him
Speaker 1: up right on the spot. So it gave me a
Speaker 1: little credibility right then and there because he had a
Speaker 1: huge interest in the Cold War era, you know, because
Speaker 1: nobody talks. And then uh so I said, he wants
Speaker 1: to help me write autobiographers. Well that's great. So a
Speaker 1: week later I said, before we start, I'll bringing all
Speaker 1: my certificates and awards and just threw them on the
Speaker 1: table for him, and uh, he just rifle through it
Speaker 1: at the speed of light and he stopped on the
Speaker 1: desert storm. He goes, you were in seventh group. That's great,
Speaker 1: he was seventh group wasn't represented in desert storms that, yeah,
Speaker 1: they weren't. I was represented him. And uh, just the
Speaker 1: simple fact that at the speed of light he picked
Speaker 1: out that one piece of paper, that one moment, you know,
Speaker 1: you can relate because of our conversation, I go, this
Speaker 1: is the guy you know. And and and when I
Speaker 1: read just the beginning of Jack's book, right in the
Speaker 1: opening scene, it showed me a part of Jack that
Speaker 1: I knew as always there that we discussed a lot,
Speaker 1: and you're in drift about the beginning of the book.
Speaker 1: You're one of the first scenes in the book. So
Speaker 1: that so that was pretty cool right right when we
Speaker 1: started talking about writing my book and this and that,
Speaker 1: we got to the section arm PTSD. At the time,
Speaker 1: Jack hadn't even consider going, you know, to the v
Speaker 1: A or anywhere else for treatment. And as we're talking,
Speaker 1: you combat back and look at another combat vets and eyes,
Speaker 1: and you just know if he was a cook, or
Speaker 1: if he was in a close close quarters combat killing
Speaker 1: people or someone trying to kill you, it's just you know,
Speaker 1: you just you either are you're not. And I think
Speaker 1: that the group of us have all been there. We
Speaker 1: just know, even if it's a stranger sitting at the bar.
Speaker 1: But anyway, we were sitting at Chapoltis and I'm going Jack,
Speaker 1: and I said, you're as funked up as I am,
Speaker 1: because what I said, you got PTSD. You just don't
Speaker 1: even know it, you know, and blah blah blah. And anyway,
Speaker 1: that and and and that's where the book begins. For
Speaker 1: the you know, pick it up, I'm saying for those
Speaker 1: who don't know, But the book isn't even out yet,
Speaker 1: but we're lucky enough to get the advanced copies. But
Speaker 1: get the book. But what what comes right after that?
Speaker 1: The depth and drive of Jack Murphy exposes itself to
Speaker 1: me immediately in the book. It just sucks you right in,
Speaker 1: like like a current, you know, of water, just pulls
Speaker 1: you under. It just starts out that way, and uh,
Speaker 1: it just gets better. Yeah. Well, so back to your book,
Speaker 1: which once again his messages from me from Beyond. It's
Speaker 1: up on Amazon right now, paperback, Kindle. What do you
Speaker 1: want people to get out of this book? I know
Speaker 1: you have a series of books, as you've explained, but
Speaker 1: this book in particular, what are you hoping that people
Speaker 1: get out of this. Wow, that's that's a tough question.
Speaker 1: I mean, for me, the reason I wrote this book
Speaker 1: has got duality. One is to put my story out
Speaker 1: just for self healing, you know, being able to talk
Speaker 1: about it so so that people when they you know,
Speaker 1: everyone feels like they're being judged if you have PTSD.
Speaker 1: I mean, we all have a common bond. Somebody's looking
Speaker 1: all our back. We feel guilty. Was a shame. Everyone
Speaker 1: in the world is judging us. And you know, it
Speaker 1: was a step for me to say, hey, it's okay
Speaker 1: to judgment, but you know, before you do, walk them
Speaker 1: mile in my shoes. And then as I can started
Speaker 1: writing this and more talked to Charlene more. We got
Speaker 1: into it and just exchanging, I thought about messages from beyond.
Speaker 1: I started finding ways to thread this exposure to my
Speaker 1: life from messages, dreams, flashbacks, nightmares to where they kind
Speaker 1: of actually are all into related. And then I started
Speaker 1: thinking of the bigger picture of guys of PTSD and
Speaker 1: victims of you know, assaults and stuff. Uh. And I
Speaker 1: started thinking, you know this, everybody has these thoughts and curiosities.
Speaker 1: It's I may mention God in the book here and
Speaker 1: there but it really it's your God. And and it's
Speaker 1: a belief self, belief in yourself, you know. So it's
Speaker 1: one thing to believe, you know, to believe in uh.
Speaker 1: And and you know, supreme being, heaven and hell and
Speaker 1: all that. And I'll tell you straight up front, it's
Speaker 1: in the book. When I died, I didn't see bright lights,
Speaker 1: so I didn't see that heavenly outcome immediately. So and
Speaker 1: I know we all have our own experiences and to
Speaker 1: each person, I think the messages whatever your experienced, whatever
Speaker 1: your religion, whatever your upbringing, whatever your age. You know, listen,
Speaker 1: when you're going down the street and you lost a
Speaker 1: good friend or a kid, or a mom or dad,
Speaker 1: or brother or sister, you hear music that used to
Speaker 1: be their favorite song, you start crying or thinking thoughts.
Speaker 1: You're look in the skies, you see formations, and you know,
Speaker 1: some people like me, I can see superimposed images all
Speaker 1: the time, which is a whole another deal. But I know,
Speaker 1: guy's a traumatic brain injury. They do this as well. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's the thought that comes immediately after that, you know,
Speaker 1: and and the message that that's out there. We don't
Speaker 1: look for messages. We just write things off as I
Speaker 1: was a nightmare, it was a dream. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the that was, you know, and kind of discarded.
Speaker 1: But I think if you had a really weird ass
Speaker 1: dream in the middle of the night and you just
Speaker 1: woke up and you had no relationship to that dream,
Speaker 1: just write it down. There's a message there. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can go after you know, dream interpreters and all that.
Speaker 1: I do. I do that sometimes too. Do you ever
Speaker 1: google like what does this dream mean? And then I'm just, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have I have to. But now I'm I'm really
Speaker 1: looking into it ever since. Uh, I've been discussing it
Speaker 1: with Jim. Like before, like Jim was saying, uh, it's
Speaker 1: like just totally like discarded, disregarded, and yeah, but now
Speaker 1: I'm really taking it into consideration. It's like, what does
Speaker 1: his dream mean? But sometimes I have really shrink dreams that,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I'm in I'm in the same boat.
Speaker 1: So so we kind of explain that. Yeah, it does
Speaker 1: seem important to write that that down and and maybe
Speaker 1: connected all together. Well, I'm sixty five and I've been
Speaker 1: having some of these thoughts since I was a kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I started having dreams and Uh,
Speaker 1: the early eighties when I was deployed and worn out
Speaker 1: down in Central and South America, just dropped dead, tired,
Speaker 1: and I passed out one night, and I started dreaming
Speaker 1: about a field of dead bodies. And then when you
Speaker 1: go to the Highway of Death where I was, had
Speaker 1: me a chance to look back at that dream and
Speaker 1: started trying to put things together in my head. So
Speaker 1: there are a lot of interconnected activities and dreams and
Speaker 1: thoughts that you may have had when you were a
Speaker 1: kid that that repeat itself. Now that trust me, it's
Speaker 1: not all bad. It's not all doom and gloom. It's
Speaker 1: either to me a positive message or an early warning.
Speaker 1: And any early warning to me is a positive message,
Speaker 1: you know. So that makes sense. Uh. You know, we
Speaker 1: got an email recently from a listener who said that
Speaker 1: the show talks no it's good. I mean that the
Speaker 1: show talks about all different types of things, war stories,
Speaker 1: and we do talk about PTSD. When he was like,
Speaker 1: sometimes I wish you guys would get more into spirituality.
Speaker 1: And this seems like a book for that person who
Speaker 1: wants to learn about the the aspect of what you
Speaker 1: guys have done that could tie into spirituality. And afterlife
Speaker 1: and belief in God and all of that. Yeah, absolutely that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there there is um that spiritual spect in it. So
Speaker 1: those who are interested, who want to learn more about
Speaker 1: that spiritual aspect, totally check out this book. Um. I
Speaker 1: mean it's not only the spiritual aspect. I think that's
Speaker 1: important for many people, but it's also, uh, the belief
Speaker 1: in yourself, like the physical and mental aspect of it.
Speaker 1: So this book encompasses all these things. Yeah, I'm excited
Speaker 1: for people to pick it up. Yeah, I mean, and
Speaker 1: I was very cautious. Uh, I mean my initial thought
Speaker 1: was alcohol. It messages from God. But you know, everybody
Speaker 1: doesn't believe in the same God that I do. You know, Uh,
Speaker 1: we don't all worship the same way. Some people are
Speaker 1: agnostic or atheists. You know. This book doesn't address in
Speaker 1: those terms at all. Uh. It just lets you know
Speaker 1: that whatever you're thinking, whatever you're feeling, is real, and
Speaker 1: that you can draw from those feelings and in a
Speaker 1: way that can you know, maybe save your life or
Speaker 1: drive you or inspire you to a different career. Turn
Speaker 1: left instead of turning right and avoid a you know,
Speaker 1: a flood or a night or a mugging somewhere. It's
Speaker 1: just that all these things are swimming around in our
Speaker 1: head all the time. The second we stopped being busy,
Speaker 1: it just re enters at different times, different levels, different thoughts,
Speaker 1: and I mean, ourself talk is insane each and every person.
Speaker 1: But I think that messages from beyond my story. Because
Speaker 1: fortunately I've lived so long, I've had a chance while
Speaker 1: writing this book to take a look back and say,
Speaker 1: how is all of this stuff interconnected? And I think
Speaker 1: we did it reasonable. We made a reasonable effort explaining
Speaker 1: the connectivity of you know, life and dreams and nightmares
Speaker 1: and even death. You know, I can tell you candidly
Speaker 1: the act of dying is not a scary thing. In fact,
Speaker 1: it's the most pleasant thing you'll ever do. Not to
Speaker 1: encourage you to die, because to me, it's like a
Speaker 1: waiting room, like purgatory. There is something beyond that, and uh,
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Speaker 1: the way, it's I'm glad Jim is like able to
Speaker 1: speak a lot this episode because I feel like my
Speaker 1: my voice is not totally there right now getting over
Speaker 1: this call. But I'm feeling a lot better than I
Speaker 1: was these past few days, getting some rests. I've always
Speaker 1: told you, and he's got the best book voice in
Speaker 1: the business, Thank you, and I appreciate it. But but
Speaker 1: I think Jack's gonna be on Fox and Friends on April.
Speaker 1: I have heard that the book comes out in a week,
Speaker 1: So he's doing Fox and Friends. He's gonna be doing
Speaker 1: the whole media circuit circuit. I'm sure doing well. Couse show.
Speaker 1: You gotta do well Coouse show. Yeah, it's give me
Speaker 1: a buzz. I'll hit him right right after the show
Speaker 1: and get you over there. Yeah. And also his audience
Speaker 1: loves you so and I love them. Yeah great, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean my best my best thing I do all
Speaker 1: year is our Veterans because Andrews there. It's just the
Speaker 1: best time, best people. So I wanted to cover this
Speaker 1: article that was actually said to me by a listener
Speaker 1: um to our Facebook page. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: guys are familiar at all with Creatum, which people are
Speaker 1: saying helps ptsd Uh. It's sold like a just gas stations.
Speaker 1: It's almost like CBD oil, but it's and it's not
Speaker 1: just something that that helps PTSD from what they're saying,
Speaker 1: you know, any type of pain. A lot of people
Speaker 1: getting off heroin and opioids in general are using Creatum.
Speaker 1: So we had this veteran Air Force veteran, Peter Gadrion,
Speaker 1: who spoke really highly of it. And I saw this
Speaker 1: documentary which is how I booked Peter, called The Leaf
Speaker 1: of Faith about kind of the scare of the media
Speaker 1: over it um. And someone sent this to me and
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, I want to hear your feelings
Speaker 1: on it. And to me, it draws more into and
Speaker 1: I've never tried creative, so I'm not an advocate one
Speaker 1: way or the other. I mean, I try to if
Speaker 1: if it's helping people through p through PTSD or it's
Speaker 1: helping people get off heroin, I'm all for it. I mean, uh,
Speaker 1: but but to me, this article ties into the whole
Speaker 1: fake news media thing because you look at the title
Speaker 1: and then you read the article and it's two completely
Speaker 1: different things. So the article says this is from NBC News,
Speaker 1: this is this is the headline. Her herbal supplement Creatum
Speaker 1: is tied to more US debts, and it says US
Speaker 1: health officials say overdose deaths involving the herbal supplement creatum
Speaker 1: have caused states. So that's pretty alarming. Then I read
Speaker 1: the article and here's the thing, so third paragraph in
Speaker 1: most who died had also taken heroin, fentinel, and other drugs,
Speaker 1: but creative was the only ups IS detected in seven
Speaker 1: of the deaths, So it wasn't it was the other substance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how you could come up
Speaker 1: with that headline when only seven of the people were
Speaker 1: just on creative. I mean, seven deaths is not alarming.
Speaker 1: The very least people die from like multi vitamins absolutely so,
Speaker 1: like an overdose of vitamin C. So I mean, I
Speaker 1: would think if of these ninety one deaths, almost all
Speaker 1: of them heroin, fentinal and other drugs are found in
Speaker 1: the system, that's why these people died. We all know
Speaker 1: that heroin is a massive epidemic in the country, and
Speaker 1: I mean it kind of ties into a Peter said
Speaker 1: on the podcast, I think it's these pharmaceutical companies that
Speaker 1: that don't want to see something that's an alternative to
Speaker 1: these drugs that are causing as you said, twenty two
Speaker 1: suicides a day, uh, suicidal thoughts in people, not just veterans,
Speaker 1: anyone with post traumatic stress issues. And and I mean
Speaker 1: they're trying to I think the government can't profit off
Speaker 1: creatum right now, so they're trying to demonize this. And
Speaker 1: like I said, I've never tried creative. I have an
Speaker 1: open mind to hearing the the good and the bad.
Speaker 1: But when you have a headline like this that it's
Speaker 1: tied ninety one deaths, and then I read the actual
Speaker 1: article and these people are in heroin, yeah, yeah, to me,
Speaker 1: most creative other stuff that the biggest value is honestly
Speaker 1: relax you know, causing you to relax, sleep a little deeper,
Speaker 1: and in some cases that deep sleep, and we'll bring
Speaker 1: out some really wicked nightmares. So you know, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say don't try it or do try it, but I say,
Speaker 1: if you do and you have a deep, really deep
Speaker 1: dream experience, you may want to not do that. Because
Speaker 1: one of the things about me, and I'm sure all
Speaker 1: the other guys have spent time on a rifle range
Speaker 1: of combat, my my number one goal in life is
Speaker 1: just experienced peace, you know. And one thing I'll never
Speaker 1: be able to do is sitting in a room, just
Speaker 1: a black, quiet room, total silence, and experienced peace because
Speaker 1: you know, the tonight is the ringing ears. We've always
Speaker 1: got to have background noise and stuff. So I know
Speaker 1: that with you. So I've I've talked about on the
Speaker 1: podcast before. She's never heard this story, but uh, I was.
Speaker 1: So we were at I'm like, I'm sleeping with Jim.
Speaker 1: This is gonna sounding funny. No, we were. We were
Speaker 1: in Vegas shot show and we were sleeping in the
Speaker 1: same room because the company had this airbnb and you know,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of guys all in this one house.
Speaker 1: So I'm sharing a room with Jim. I'm sleeping on
Speaker 1: the couch because of course I'm not going to tell
Speaker 1: Jim not to take the bed. And and I'm waking up.
Speaker 1: So we're on Vegas time, you know, three hours uh
Speaker 1: ahead or behind. I'm so you know, if if six
Speaker 1: am in New York, it's three am in Vegas, basically,
Speaker 1: so he has to sleep with Fox News on it
Speaker 1: like just about full blast, and it's three am, and
Speaker 1: I'm waking up to them on Fox and Friends be
Speaker 1: like good morning and and I'm like, what time is it.
Speaker 1: It's three am? And at that point it was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to sleep like this. I
Speaker 1: ended up sleeping in a closet. It was a very plot,
Speaker 1: it was, but yeah, it was it was like the
Speaker 1: size of the studio. But but I couldn't sleep with
Speaker 1: this TV on it all the times and that's apparently
Speaker 1: had gim mikes to sleep. And then I wake up
Speaker 1: all the time and I'm working, you know, doing my
Speaker 1: bands and working out all the time. And what's that
Speaker 1: part worked out well? For? Yeah, that was fun. I
Speaker 1: mean it was. It was shreduous, but yeah, but I
Speaker 1: don't I don't really sleep sleep ever, you know, which
Speaker 1: is sad. I was recently offered by my neurologist medical marijuana,
Speaker 1: but because of my job, I'm still governed by a
Speaker 1: federal standards, so you know, they're trying to figure out
Speaker 1: if that's something I could do or not. You know what,
Speaker 1: I've become a big advocate of I've talked about it
Speaker 1: on the show a few times. Have you ever heard
Speaker 1: of the supplement em A, I've heard of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So all it is is it's zin zinc, magnesium and
Speaker 1: b six, and you take it before you go to
Speaker 1: sleep because I think it's the magnesium that causes you
Speaker 1: to feel drowsy. Um, So, so you're don't take it
Speaker 1: during the day. It's not a sleep supplement, that's all
Speaker 1: it is is zinc magnesium B six. So it doesn't
Speaker 1: like put you right to sleep, but when you fall asleep,
Speaker 1: you were in an extremely deep state of sleep. I
Speaker 1: take it every night now, and uh, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 1: I didn't have vivid dreams really until I started taking
Speaker 1: z M A. That makes good sense. You um, you
Speaker 1: know when you're get in that deep rem sleep. And
Speaker 1: actually when you read the book we talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about dreaming, I guess, but it becomes such a
Speaker 1: like spokesperson form is to put out. I think the
Speaker 1: magnesium is also good for the heart and have circulation
Speaker 1: a little bit. So it just it helps a lot
Speaker 1: of things. It helps work out recovery. Um it's it's
Speaker 1: also like a testosterone boosting supplement because of the zinc,
Speaker 1: you know, so it helps your workouts all that, I
Speaker 1: I swear, but I'm not a big supplement guy. Well
Speaker 1: I take him independently of each other, like separate capsule.
Speaker 1: But now may just look for the c m A
Speaker 1: because it's just one bill. Yeah, if you, if you
Speaker 1: look it up. So this guy, Victor Conti um created
Speaker 1: this the formula for z m A. And if you,
Speaker 1: if you basically sell z m A. Now any company
Speaker 1: they have to pay Victor Conti because he came up
Speaker 1: with the formula of a certain amount of his inc
Speaker 1: a certain amount of magnesium and B six. I don't
Speaker 1: know why, but like in this particular formula, it works.
Speaker 1: And a lot of people say, oh, it's we'll see
Speaker 1: you bow and all that, but I can tell you
Speaker 1: straight up. I mean I know from the dreams that
Speaker 1: it's doing something. So yeah, well that's what I said.
Speaker 1: When you get in that deep sleep and if you
Speaker 1: have the like when when when I tried, they tried
Speaker 1: to put me on some medication from the v A,
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I went home about a couple
Speaker 1: of pills. Hey, this guy get killed right next to me,
Speaker 1: and he's laying on the ground. I'm right next to
Speaker 1: him on the ground, and I woke up in his
Speaker 1: dream and he's right there, and this dream suddenly had
Speaker 1: colorful of life three D and the guy was staring
Speaker 1: me down again, you know, after you've been killed, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy sh it, I I can't have these
Speaker 1: kind of dreams, you know, so I had to change
Speaker 1: that has stopped doing that altogether. Got you. I don't
Speaker 1: even want to sleep that deep, to be honest, I
Speaker 1: won't wake up. Yeah. I don't know it helps for me.
Speaker 1: I but I get where you're coming from. I also
Speaker 1: haven't experienced what you have. But pick up the book
Speaker 1: Messages from Beyond. It's up on Amazon right now and
Speaker 1: Kindle in paperback. And then also Charlene's website which I
Speaker 1: had under here. Yeah, Charlene Charley's website is Charlene da
Speaker 1: Silva at Charlene de Silva dot com and Charlene at
Speaker 1: Charlene da Silva dot com. I want to email you
Speaker 1: which is spelled c h A R l E N
Speaker 1: E d A s I l v A obviously, um,
Speaker 1: and and write a review for the book. Jim is
Speaker 1: telling me the listeners write a review for the book,
Speaker 1: pick it up the right review. Um. So once again
Speaker 1: the website trolling to Silva dot com and what what
Speaker 1: we're saying? Uh yeah, so, um, feel free to visit
Speaker 1: my website or feel free to email me. UM if
Speaker 1: anyone any of the listeners have any questions, UM, any
Speaker 1: further questions, I would love to answer, or you don't
Speaker 1: feel free to reach out. There's quite a few listeners
Speaker 1: in the audience who are like veterans who want to
Speaker 1: write a book and they want to take that step.
Speaker 1: So you might be a good person for them. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know, UM, I love I would love to hear
Speaker 1: um their stories. Like especially after working with Jim, it
Speaker 1: opened me to entirely new world that UM, I find
Speaker 1: quite amazing, you know. Um. Of course, UM, A lot
Speaker 1: of military vets State deal with all sorts of traumatic
Speaker 1: and terrible things, and you know, I think a lot
Speaker 1: for a lot of military vets, I mean, even start writing.
Speaker 1: You know, some people would find a cathartic or so
Speaker 1: people find it as a coping, you know, way to
Speaker 1: cope with certain things. So yeah, absolutely, I would love
Speaker 1: to hear everyone's stories, so I can. I can tell
Speaker 1: you she's a got a tremendous amount of patience and uh,
Speaker 1: she's good to work with, you know, because when you
Speaker 1: write from another person's perspective, it's not like I send
Speaker 1: her something over and she dresses it up and makes
Speaker 1: it look pretty for the book, and it says, Jim,
Speaker 1: this is what I like and I look at and
Speaker 1: go like this, but I don't like that. That's not me. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll redo it. I mean she takes the time to
Speaker 1: really put herself into your shoes. Awesome. So yes, send
Speaker 1: her an email Charlene at Charlene DeSilva dot com or
Speaker 1: Charlene DeSilva dot com. I'll link to that in the description. Um,
Speaker 1: and I think that covers just about everything. Pick it
Speaker 1: up messages from beyond. Always great having you man. I
Speaker 1: always love seeing you and I don't see you enough.
Speaker 1: That's true. We need to hang out more. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: off all right, Well, thanks to the listeners. We'll be
Speaker 1: back with another episode on Friday, and it's just me
Speaker 1: hosting this week. Jack will be back. But I'm not
Speaker 1: being lazy. I'm not just making best ups this week.
Speaker 1: I'm getting it done. So if you want me back
Speaker 1: and talk about fights or something I'm not I'll let
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