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Speaker 1: two guys that I felt were an awesome fit. Uh.
Speaker 1: We have c J woodrooff on by Skype and I
Speaker 1: am hoping I'm gonna say your name correctly. Doug Doug
Speaker 1: Kachi jint It awesome UH is here And to give
Speaker 1: some accord if you haven't listened to those two episodes, Doug,
Speaker 1: who's in studio with me, retired Air Force PJ now
Speaker 1: a physical therapist and the CEO of Resilient Performance Systems.
Speaker 1: Uh and you also have your own podcast, Resilient Performance Podcast. Correct,
Speaker 1: I'm not as active as you are, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: did see there as a recent one though, right like
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks we just started releasing a couple episodes,
Speaker 1: but I hadn't done one like over a year prior
Speaker 1: to that. A lot great time consuming, as you know,
Speaker 1: this is true, and and Jack's been on you want
Speaker 1: to listen to that one. I think I was in
Speaker 1: the studio when he did that because he did it
Speaker 1: by skype at the time. UM and CJ's background retired
Speaker 1: marine personal trainer. I mean so many other things you've
Speaker 1: all You've also competed in bodybuilding. What else should I
Speaker 1: put in put in there? Well, I think what's funny
Speaker 1: is like you introduced the badass PJ with the awesome resume,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I mean, like, I don't know, I've
Speaker 1: done some stuff. Yeah, I I took the non traditional
Speaker 1: route and fitness and definitely have done a lot of
Speaker 1: things from being a social media influencer in different arena
Speaker 1: to bodybuilding, fitness modeling, uh, starting my own business. I
Speaker 1: owned a gym here in North Austin. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and then you know, went through a shitty divorce, fold everything,
Speaker 1: and then decided I was going to do videography for
Speaker 1: a minute. So I have a weird story, yeah, which
Speaker 1: we we get a little into on the first show
Speaker 1: that you were on. But things have you even changed
Speaker 1: then because at the time you were like one of
Speaker 1: the spokespeople for Prime Evil Labs. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you want to get into that, because I've seen your
Speaker 1: stuff since where You're like, I'll tell the story of
Speaker 1: why I'm no longer there and I haven't heard you
Speaker 1: really discussed why if if you want to, it's you know, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm totally you know, I'm I'm I'm an open book man.
Speaker 1: And uh so, Prime Evil first of all, was absolutely
Speaker 1: incredible to me. They were They were awesome. Uh, Anthony
Speaker 1: Ryan are incredible guys that run the organization. Um really
Speaker 1: they did, they did, they did great. But it's the
Speaker 1: truth is is that I am a very passion driven
Speaker 1: individual that I need to really connect with what I'm
Speaker 1: doing on a deeper level than just the monetary value.
Speaker 1: I really got to care about it right, And not
Speaker 1: to say I don't believe in their supplements, it's just
Speaker 1: you know, when I started, as you know, I was
Speaker 1: doing a price plot where we reviewed we were as
Speaker 1: a non biased kind of deal where we were reviewing
Speaker 1: supplements and whatnot. And I just I always knew back
Speaker 1: then that like it would be very hard for me
Speaker 1: to tie myself to a single brand or like to
Speaker 1: kind of just go balls deep into one organization, right,
Speaker 1: And I think that it just kind of was slowly
Speaker 1: chipping away at me for the most part. And again,
Speaker 1: I love their stuff. It's just hard to I guess,
Speaker 1: be kind of tied to one thing for me because
Speaker 1: I think that there's so much awesome ship out there
Speaker 1: and you know, not even just supplements. I just like
Speaker 1: to stay agnostic and fitness in general. And uh so
Speaker 1: it was it was actually a mutual decision just to
Speaker 1: kind of separate and go different ways. Um. I felt
Speaker 1: like it was painful making like a you know, it's
Speaker 1: like the pre workout I'm doing these like little spokesperson
Speaker 1: videos or whatever, and it was it was kind of
Speaker 1: painful inside because I feel like I feel cheesy, like
Speaker 1: a little inpo martially, you know what I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: do you think because I watched the videos you put
Speaker 1: out as well as the videos that are just big
Speaker 1: in the online fitness community, do you think the whole
Speaker 1: supplement world has been kind of like overblown. I think
Speaker 1: there's kids who are just getting into fitness and they
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna take all these products and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be checked, and we all know, like a lot of
Speaker 1: it is it ends up being pussy about, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, And I'm sure the physical therapiste next to
Speaker 1: you'll tell you the same thing. It's I mean, here's
Speaker 1: the deal. Like actually, probably you see it mostly like
Speaker 1: glucosamin and Kendroiten and some of those kind of uh,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of um. I would say
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of either not solid objective evidence.
Speaker 1: Uh that kind of leaves these gray areas with supplements
Speaker 1: that people try to capitalize on really like overhyping them,
Speaker 1: or you have things that blatantly just have you know,
Speaker 1: we've we've learned that they don't work all together, but
Speaker 1: they're still marketable to the mainstream because they're not digging
Speaker 1: into the New Age studies and whatnot. And so it's
Speaker 1: like BC as as an example, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit here in harp on b c
Speaker 1: A isn't say that they're the worst thing in the world,
Speaker 1: but the idea that these are some sort of worthwhile
Speaker 1: investment for muscle protein synthesis as a joke, um, you know,
Speaker 1: to the larger scale of things. And so I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: there's just a lot to it. But I think that
Speaker 1: I've always took the stance even though obvious the supplement
Speaker 1: guys like supplements are the final thing to address in
Speaker 1: a nutritional regiment period, you know what I mean, it's
Speaker 1: supplement by definition. So the last thing that people need
Speaker 1: to worry about is is supplements. Like what's your workout,
Speaker 1: what's your recovery, what's your you know, fill in the blank.
Speaker 1: There's a ton of stuff to worry about before that.
Speaker 1: Do you have anything to add to that, dog? I
Speaker 1: think that's great. I mean, no, it's your point, CEJ.
Speaker 1: A lot of the stuff comes down to people just
Speaker 1: doing the basics. And I work with people who are like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's the best pre workout? And meanwhile, these are people
Speaker 1: who can't do like a push up or a pull
Speaker 1: up with good form they drank thirty beers in the weekends.
Speaker 1: Their nutrition stinks, and it's like, so to think that
Speaker 1: you're talking about me, to think you're going to get
Speaker 1: a huge effect from, like from a supplement when you
Speaker 1: don't have the Like you said, it's it's the last
Speaker 1: thing that you want to worry about. So the analogy
Speaker 1: of like, if you're trying to fill a jar, right,
Speaker 1: you fill it with the really big rocks and the
Speaker 1: smaller rocks and then the grains of sand, and a
Speaker 1: lot of times these supplements are the grains of sand.
Speaker 1: So I think there's a couple of scenarios. One is
Speaker 1: that you know, like it doesn't do anything and you're
Speaker 1: wasting your money. One is that it has a small
Speaker 1: effect at best, which very few of them even have that.
Speaker 1: And then the worst case scenario is for a lot
Speaker 1: of organizations, whether it's like the military or n c
Speaker 1: A or even pro sports, because some of these supplements
Speaker 1: aren't regulated that well, they have things in them that
Speaker 1: can cause people to fail a drug test. And that's
Speaker 1: the worst because to me, if you're gonna fail a
Speaker 1: drug test, you may as well be deliberately cheating and
Speaker 1: use something that works but which I mean, obviously every
Speaker 1: person who feels like drug tests now, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I was taking the supplement, and it's probably bullshit a
Speaker 1: lot of the time. But I'm sure there are situations
Speaker 1: where people were not trying to quote unquote cheat, took
Speaker 1: a supplement that was contaminated and now they're they're outer
Speaker 1: year and their reputation is tarnished. So you've got to
Speaker 1: be really careful with this stuff. And there's a lot
Speaker 1: of times it's very little upside, but high downside. I'm
Speaker 1: curious your thoughts on and I sorry you, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to make this like just a selfment talk
Speaker 1: or anything, but I find it's interesting. Um So, I
Speaker 1: like what you said, percent on board with everything that
Speaker 1: you're saying. What's interesting is the kind of the paradox
Speaker 1: of like like regulation versus um kind of the freedoms
Speaker 1: in the industry. So so if you think about like,
Speaker 1: on one hand, we have, of course the FDA and
Speaker 1: other governing bodies that are essentially trying to I would say,
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess the ultimate goal of what we're
Speaker 1: sold anyway is that it is trying to keep us safe. Right.
Speaker 1: It's it's like making sure that they're not bullshit out
Speaker 1: there and it's not the wild wild West in the
Speaker 1: supplement industry, which is a good thing, but we also
Speaker 1: see examples of this where that kind of power swing
Speaker 1: goes has an alternative motive or or it really swings
Speaker 1: too hard one way, And then you have supplement companies
Speaker 1: that same thing. You've got some that are really using
Speaker 1: the system, the lack of regulation and their benefit, but
Speaker 1: then you also have some that are that legitimate, but
Speaker 1: their handcuffed to these tighter regulations, um, which which then
Speaker 1: goes into drug tested sports. Right, So for instance, um,
Speaker 1: you have yes, drug tested sports, but what exactly does
Speaker 1: that mean? Like it it's interesting to me how subjective
Speaker 1: that is in itself, right, is if it's water rules, well,
Speaker 1: technically what I'm not supposed to take caffeine prior to training?
Speaker 1: And then how far does that go? How far does
Speaker 1: that swing? Um, what is cheating and what is not cheating?
Speaker 1: And how each organization in it of the self really
Speaker 1: has different rules. So it's just a weird paradox to me,
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure what exactly the answer is, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like a part of me thinks like, oh, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: these supplements have some men that's gonna make you pop.
Speaker 1: But how the fund do you get around that when
Speaker 1: you have like every organization wants to have different standards
Speaker 1: that make sense. That's such a great question. I mean,
Speaker 1: I love the like the free market regulation debate in
Speaker 1: in any area. I think when it comes to supplements,
Speaker 1: a big thing is just transparency. I don't know if
Speaker 1: necessarily like the FDA and giving the government that power
Speaker 1: is the answer, but I do know that are supplements
Speaker 1: supplement companies that put things in their supplements that aren't
Speaker 1: listed and so without that transparency and a minimum even
Speaker 1: if I've seen like even sort of civilian, you know,
Speaker 1: non government watchdog agencies that like keep a list of
Speaker 1: manufacturers they know are doing things in a transparent way.
Speaker 1: So like these are kind of like the safe brands, um.
Speaker 1: But even in the you know, we were talking offline
Speaker 1: a little bit, like with the the healthcare industry and
Speaker 1: like versus being a trainer, And a lot of the
Speaker 1: reason why people like being like a medical service is because,
Speaker 1: first of all, like you and I, there's probably a
Speaker 1: lot of overlap between what we do on a day
Speaker 1: to day basis as a trainer or a PT like,
Speaker 1: we're getting people to move and help them to achieve
Speaker 1: their their goals through through movement. Right, why do people
Speaker 1: like to be pts or medical providers? One? Number one
Speaker 1: because health insurance companies pay for that right, so that
Speaker 1: that gives you like a whole other market and people think, well,
Speaker 1: it's free because health insurance is paying for it, even
Speaker 1: though it's not really free, as you know. But then
Speaker 1: the other side of that is once something that becomes
Speaker 1: more regulated, which a medical service PT is, then it
Speaker 1: becomes a contest to see who can lobby the government
Speaker 1: the best to stifle competition. So I know a lot
Speaker 1: of pts who are like, oh, well, you know, I
Speaker 1: saw a personal trainer like rubbing someone's leg with a
Speaker 1: mastage massage stick. They shouldn't be able to do that.
Speaker 1: It's unsafe, it's manual therapy. And to me, that is
Speaker 1: like a complete crock of sh it. It's like they're
Speaker 1: just someone's threatening their market share and they're trying to
Speaker 1: do this whole like they're trying. It's this facade of
Speaker 1: public safety where they're demanding more regulation to stifle competition.
Speaker 1: And you know there are there are other professions to
Speaker 1: do that to physical therapy, where it's like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: an acupuncturist might say a physical therapy shouldn't be allowed
Speaker 1: to do medical acupuncture because they don't have five hours
Speaker 1: of training. And it's again, oftentimes these things aren't about safety,
Speaker 1: there about stifling competition. So that's why, like you said,
Speaker 1: people can talk about safety, but often there is an
Speaker 1: ulterior motive when you regulate things. So I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: more of like a free market kind of person. I
Speaker 1: recognize that some regulation is necessary for a minimum safety standard,
Speaker 1: but it gets very tricky when you try to figure
Speaker 1: out what those bound resource. That's a really good It's
Speaker 1: an endless debate and you you probably run into this
Speaker 1: all the time because probably what the way I always
Speaker 1: look at like, if I look at the hierarchy of
Speaker 1: like fitness, with our genre of careers, you have like
Speaker 1: a you know your PhD or you know your your doctor.
Speaker 1: You then you have your physical therapists and then trickled
Speaker 1: down to your your everyday personal trainer. Right. Um, What's
Speaker 1: interesting to me is how like from the doctor level,
Speaker 1: from the and my you know, my mom has been
Speaker 1: a nurse my entire life I've been around hospitals in
Speaker 1: the medical industry most of my life, and how often
Speaker 1: you see doctors who are completely unqualified to give fit
Speaker 1: an interest advice of any kind or nutrition advice. But
Speaker 1: they have this, like you said, kind of like this
Speaker 1: hierarchy of power, um, and they're they're suggesting these tribalistic
Speaker 1: fad diets or whatever it may be. And it's you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, look at gastric bypass surgery, right, like, like,
Speaker 1: what what an interesting concept that we actually have something
Speaker 1: that's so evasive like that that can be covered by
Speaker 1: your your insurance, you know what I mean? Like, that's
Speaker 1: it's mind bothering to me. Actually the uh. But also
Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting an answer because like there's a part
Speaker 1: of me that is like, man, that's fucked up. But
Speaker 1: then I'm also like, well, there has to be regulations somewhere.
Speaker 1: There has to be some sort of control, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there has to be control. But I think that the
Speaker 1: problem with the system now is that the consumer doesn't
Speaker 1: actually have a lot of choice because it's so regulated
Speaker 1: that certain things are dictated to you by health insurance companies.
Speaker 1: So like, if let's say, whatever your goal is, let's
Speaker 1: say it's something that's more orthopedic or fitness related. You
Speaker 1: have back pain or knee pain like, and my ideal
Speaker 1: world assuming that health insurance wanted to help you with that.
Speaker 1: And I think it's even problematic to say that health
Speaker 1: insurance should pay for every routine medical expenditure because that's
Speaker 1: not how insurance works and other markets, and I think
Speaker 1: that incentivizes overspending and some of the more invasive things
Speaker 1: that might not always be necessary. But assuming that you
Speaker 1: know health insurance companies, we're going to pay for some
Speaker 1: of this stuff, and you have like lower back pain
Speaker 1: or knee pain, I think a better solution than what
Speaker 1: we have now is the health insurance company says, Okay,
Speaker 1: you have whatever X diagnosis, like, we're willing to spend
Speaker 1: you know, let's say five dollars to to help you
Speaker 1: receive care. It's up to you how you want to
Speaker 1: do that. And now you have and that might even
Speaker 1: include going to a personal trainer, because if I'm being honest,
Speaker 1: they're personal trainers who I think and help people with
Speaker 1: near back paining more than in a nept physical therapist.
Speaker 1: So they treat it. You're you're talking about treating it
Speaker 1: almost like auto insurance, right where you have like the
Speaker 1: person that processes the claim and then you decide what
Speaker 1: mechanic or whatever you're gonna go to or how you're
Speaker 1: going to deal with it. Right right. Let let market
Speaker 1: driven forces drive competition so that people actually have to
Speaker 1: compete on price and efficiency versus. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: a gravy train, and like I think it does, it
Speaker 1: stifles innovation and promote some complacency when you know that
Speaker 1: no matter what you do, you're gonna get money from
Speaker 1: the insurance company, you're going to be authorized a certain
Speaker 1: number of visits. So and ultimately, like it's it's kind
Speaker 1: of patronizing because it's like, well, the consumer doesn't know
Speaker 1: what's good for them, so we're going to regulate and
Speaker 1: tell them what's good. Like, I don't think it's working
Speaker 1: very well. I think I think, yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: you that well, but I feel like we probably agree
Speaker 1: politically on how some of these things should be handled,
Speaker 1: just based on our limited interactions. Yeah, yeah, that was fast. Look,
Speaker 1: I see we like each other. Yeah, didn't why I
Speaker 1: knew this was a good pat when he asked me
Speaker 1: the question about free markets and healthcare, I'm like I
Speaker 1: know where Yeah nice, um yeah, so he and I
Speaker 1: was looking over your frank Zine article. That's uh interesting.
Speaker 1: He is. What an interesting character man he is. I
Speaker 1: actually got to be a part of an interview we
Speaker 1: did with him on on Brandon's podcast, The Power of Thought,
Speaker 1: and it was because of that interview that I referenced.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's CJ's referencing, though, is it? In an
Speaker 1: article for the load at Room called E A R
Speaker 1: and a simple but effective way of mastering your fitness regimen.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's so funny. I was in the
Speaker 1: gym last night for the first time in like two weeks.
Speaker 1: I feel like I am not qualified to even be
Speaker 1: talking about fitness right now. I was out a commission
Speaker 1: for a little bit for a few things. But anyway,
Speaker 1: this actually goes back to I think what we started
Speaker 1: the podcast with when we're talking about the supplement thing,
Speaker 1: I think it's those four things really complete the whole puzzle.
Speaker 1: I think of just having a good fitness regiment no
Speaker 1: matter what you do, which is exercise, attitude, recovery, nutrition,
Speaker 1: I think all were equally important, and that's why I
Speaker 1: decided to write an article about it. And uh, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gotten some good feedback thus far. But he very
Speaker 1: much is an interesting guy. Doesn't fit the stereotype of
Speaker 1: this you know, quote air quotes, dumb bodybuilder or something.
Speaker 1: He's smart, dude. I think there were there were a
Speaker 1: few guys that, in my opinion, were ahead of their time,
Speaker 1: you know, like, God, what's another one, was it? I
Speaker 1: mean Arnold Schwarzenegger's the obvious one. Yeah, I think yeah,
Speaker 1: But I do think that Arnold though still like I
Speaker 1: mean this, I would never speak illy of the great, right,
Speaker 1: he's the great in bodybuilding, but I've never I feel
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of people that look at him
Speaker 1: as an academic and there was never a level of
Speaker 1: me that that anything, whether what I read of his
Speaker 1: or whatever, that it struck me as like this eyes
Speaker 1: like ahead of the curve with his mindset on fitness.
Speaker 1: I think he was an incredibly hard working, gifted individual
Speaker 1: that that was very charismatic. Um a great superstar for
Speaker 1: the sport. Um. But I think guys like Frank Zane
Speaker 1: and um, I'm trying to think of the guy's name.
Speaker 1: There was a guy that that was in old school
Speaker 1: olympian um. But he was wanted like that he actually
Speaker 1: wrote that he was essentially doing flexible dieting back in
Speaker 1: the you know whatever it was like the early eighties
Speaker 1: or whatever, like like he was he was talking about
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, I didn't do this whole
Speaker 1: chicken and brown rice thing. He was like, funk, I
Speaker 1: ate ice cream every once in a while. I just
Speaker 1: made sure I stayed under two thousand calories. And you know,
Speaker 1: there are these guys like that that I think, you
Speaker 1: know who is Another one is um Dorian Yates. I
Speaker 1: think Dorian Yates was also kind of a more of
Speaker 1: the like I said, like an academic towards it right,
Speaker 1: Like he really focused on If you've heard recent interviews
Speaker 1: at Dorian Yates getting political, it's almost hard for me
Speaker 1: to take the guy seriously, haven't seen it. So he
Speaker 1: did an interview you with Dave Palombo, and the guy
Speaker 1: is like flat out of Holocaust DENI are like, he
Speaker 1: he doesn't think that people were you know, like starved
Speaker 1: and guessed and the Holocaust, and and it's like it's
Speaker 1: hard because the guy is obviously brilliant on other things,
Speaker 1: but it's hard for me to kind of look at
Speaker 1: you the same way after you say such ridiculous things. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's scientifically proven you can actually be retarded and
Speaker 1: only certain parts of your brain. So that's yeah, he's
Speaker 1: the Holocaust. There's well, there's also people were just so
Speaker 1: open a conspiracy. I think they learned like that we've
Speaker 1: been lied to about so many things, then it becomes
Speaker 1: that we've been lied to about everything. But the reason
Speaker 1: I do mention Arnold actually, and I think people don't
Speaker 1: realize this or forget about this if you watch it's
Speaker 1: on the DVD of Pumping Iron the there's like something
Speaker 1: they did, I think for an anniversary edition, behind the
Speaker 1: scenes type of thing, interview with Arnold, and people don't
Speaker 1: realize that before Arnold Schwarzenegger, like just working out, going
Speaker 1: to a gym, lifting weights was like this weird subculture
Speaker 1: in America and in the world. It was, honestly, and
Speaker 1: they do talk about it was honestly like a gay subculture.
Speaker 1: You were like a weird dude if you went to
Speaker 1: the gym and lifted weights. And when actors put on
Speaker 1: muscle for parts, they didn't even like to say that
Speaker 1: they were going to the gym because it was considered
Speaker 1: so weird. Arnold brought this to the main stream, and
Speaker 1: I think anybody who's like a fitness enthusiast today owes
Speaker 1: something to Arnold Schwartzenegger for popularizing it. And I think
Speaker 1: that there's a difference between the influencer and the one
Speaker 1: pushing uh the innovator. The influencer and the innovator are
Speaker 1: two different things. And for me, Arnold, no doubt, one
Speaker 1: of the greatest influencers of all time, changed the game
Speaker 1: like that you you couldn't have had Like, look, Franksane
Speaker 1: is amazing, wasn't half as charismatic and half as polarizing
Speaker 1: as Arnold Swartzenegger. So it's kind of like like I
Speaker 1: used to tell people, you know, in the Fitness and
Speaker 1: the sham, like, it's interesting to me how you have
Speaker 1: to two segments. You have folks that are really pushing
Speaker 1: the the the to be smarter and to to you know,
Speaker 1: dig into research and be the greatest at their craft.
Speaker 1: And then there's this other section of like the bros
Speaker 1: or the Instagram booty girls that are that are good
Speaker 1: at marketing essentially right, um, the game is right there
Speaker 1: in the middle, though, it's that the booty girl always
Speaker 1: beats you, you know, like like the nerd does not
Speaker 1: win in this by itself. So how do I become
Speaker 1: a charismatic academic? You know? How do I? You know,
Speaker 1: spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down? And I
Speaker 1: think that that's that's embodies really Arnold's presence. But I
Speaker 1: don't think that Arnold was even now where I listened
Speaker 1: to him talk, you know, he's he never embraced, like
Speaker 1: I think, a deeper understanding of fitness. I think that
Speaker 1: he just he was really good at it and he
Speaker 1: was polarizing into does that make sense? And maybe I'm
Speaker 1: completely wrong about this, but that was just kind of
Speaker 1: all these impression I got with him. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think everybody is entitled to their own impression of how
Speaker 1: they see someone. I'm killing this hero. I'm sorry, and
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. No, I I understand what you're saying, though.
Speaker 1: I mean, Frank Saint is a guy who was a
Speaker 1: he was a teacher and some type of science, so
Speaker 1: I mean he has a more academic background than someone's
Speaker 1: like someone like Schwartzenegger. Of course, I think though to
Speaker 1: your to your points, see to the kind of what
Speaker 1: you're saying, is that a lot of what we're seeing
Speaker 1: in fitness is not new, it's just old things that
Speaker 1: have been repackaged, like and you know now with like
Speaker 1: social media, everything is a contest for attention. And even
Speaker 1: made the point and that you were like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: not like qualified to talk about fitness. The problem is
Speaker 1: like people have made fitness so overcomplicated because it's a
Speaker 1: great way to market yourself, like if you make everything
Speaker 1: such a big deal. Like all fitnesses is figuring out
Speaker 1: like what do you want to physically be able to do,
Speaker 1: and then working backwards for your from your goals, Like
Speaker 1: the gym is just a means to an end. If
Speaker 1: you're even in the military, like if you just want
Speaker 1: to be a good marine or a good soldier, like
Speaker 1: you could do that and not lift a single weight.
Speaker 1: I think lifting weights is an effective way to help
Speaker 1: achieve that end. But every exercise means to an end.
Speaker 1: So where the where the field is a fitness and
Speaker 1: even physical therapy, like you said, c J. With this
Speaker 1: whole like you've got the really academically oriented crowd on
Speaker 1: one side and then kind of like more of the
Speaker 1: meat heads on the other. It definitely is somewhere in
Speaker 1: the middle because like the meat heads do things where
Speaker 1: it's like they they're not even remotely theoretically rigorous about
Speaker 1: what they're doing, and they make these claims that are
Speaker 1: totally outrageous. But then I see this in PT a lot,
Speaker 1: where there are people who are very research oriented and
Speaker 1: all they do is quote studies. But I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: them to treat me or a family member because they
Speaker 1: don't know how to apply anything. They're so they're so
Speaker 1: into theory and they just split hairs over like every
Speaker 1: word that somebody says that it's like they get lost
Speaker 1: in the minutia, in my opinion, And so you need
Speaker 1: someone who can actually like apply the craft but also
Speaker 1: appreciates the theoretical and the academic aspect of it too,
Speaker 1: and that that's rare in in this day and age
Speaker 1: because everything now like has to be one extreme or
Speaker 1: the other. And how you kind of, you know, cater
Speaker 1: to your echo chamber is to kind of say one
Speaker 1: thing and have a really really strong message. But a
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff is about trial and error and
Speaker 1: nuance and uncertainty, and so whenever someone like claims to
Speaker 1: have the through one way or the other, like I
Speaker 1: kind of run away from those people because it's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we live in a gray area and that's the that
Speaker 1: And it's hard because I think that people. I think
Speaker 1: it's scary for people. I've really tried to spend time
Speaker 1: tackling this, this concept of why do we need such
Speaker 1: hard lines all the time? And this is politics, is religion,
Speaker 1: this is like you name it, but we have to
Speaker 1: have these these quote unquote objective truths. And the only
Speaker 1: thing I can come to is that people must be
Speaker 1: fearful of not being able to stand on solid ground.
Speaker 1: You know, if the idea of the ground might move, uh,
Speaker 1: is there then then it maybe it provides anxiety and
Speaker 1: maybe that leads to these kind of pockets of tribalism
Speaker 1: or whatever. And uh and when that sucks because it
Speaker 1: leaves you completely devoid of being able to grow in
Speaker 1: advance and adapt. You know. Um, it's just it's it's
Speaker 1: a tricky world we live in, man. And you know,
Speaker 1: I was listening to what you were saying about like
Speaker 1: the application. One of the things I tell my clients
Speaker 1: all the time is because I look, I'm big on
Speaker 1: if we're going through a dead lift, I want to
Speaker 1: really give you more detail than you probably would expect
Speaker 1: about something as simple as a dead lift. I really
Speaker 1: want to show you, uh, the deeper understanding of it. Now,
Speaker 1: with that said that, the unfortunate tradeoff is is that
Speaker 1: some folks that are real O C D about like,
Speaker 1: you know, really getting it right, that turns into this
Speaker 1: this forfeiting of of effort to try to be perfect right,
Speaker 1: And that's yeah, that's the pretentious guy that's quoting studies
Speaker 1: or whatever. And it's like, well, so I always remind them.
Speaker 1: I'm like, here's the thing that the bros got right.
Speaker 1: They fucking worked hard, you know what I mean. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you cannot sacrifice that for anything. So, you know, it
Speaker 1: was something I wanted to ask both of you guys,
Speaker 1: since you you've had such a um just versatile background
Speaker 1: after your military careers. Now in the fitness world, is
Speaker 1: there something CJ. You would change about the fitness regiment
Speaker 1: of the Marines And and for you Doug in the
Speaker 1: Air Force go first a hunterd percent. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: now keep in mind I got out in two thousand
Speaker 1: intent so things I think they've already are starting to change.
Speaker 1: The whatever the the p f T standards or whatever
Speaker 1: are like I think they're doing, like the M o
Speaker 1: can and so I don't want to speak for the
Speaker 1: current state of the Marine Corps, but when I was
Speaker 1: in you know, the three mile run, the pull ups
Speaker 1: to sit ups, it's kind of like to me as
Speaker 1: a as a finished professional. Now I look at it
Speaker 1: like like the combine in football, Right, congratulations, you can
Speaker 1: do to a bunch of times. What does that fucking
Speaker 1: matter to being a wide receiver? Um, It's it's interesting
Speaker 1: to me, right, Like I get the standardization, but it's
Speaker 1: it doesn't really make sense to the sport, the specificity
Speaker 1: of the sport that we're playing. Right in the military now,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's easy, right, because the military is complex,
Speaker 1: but the the least likely thing that's going to happen
Speaker 1: is you need to run three miles in shorts, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like, so, what exactly am my
Speaker 1: training for in general? Is it just general fitness? And
Speaker 1: and why why is that such a base? So for me,
Speaker 1: I think more of a diverse kind of heights used
Speaker 1: the word cross fit, you know, it's it's just a
Speaker 1: brand that everybody you know, but some sort of I
Speaker 1: would say an aerobic capacity meets uh, you know, a
Speaker 1: little bit of strength training and some aerobic endurance like,
Speaker 1: but a diverse style of training would be my suggestion.
Speaker 1: And then also just to speak of this, the standards
Speaker 1: of being a fat body or not. Right, Like the
Speaker 1: military has the you know, if you're obese or whatever
Speaker 1: number one they do. I think it's height weight for
Speaker 1: so B M I, which is which is trash right,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a d eighty pounds at five ft nine.
Speaker 1: Apparently I'm obese or overweight at least so, so then
Speaker 1: they go to tape measurements though, to see if you're
Speaker 1: you know, what's your waist is or whatever. Even that
Speaker 1: though doesn't like the circumference of your arm doesn't tell
Speaker 1: you if it's a fat arm or not. So I
Speaker 1: think there are some old school things within the fitness
Speaker 1: regiment that definitely need to be revisited, if they haven't already.
Speaker 1: I love the the NFL Combine analogy, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get there and because actually, like the military is turning
Speaker 1: into the NFL Combine now. Um. But first of all, people,
Speaker 1: a lot of the tests that the military does, like
Speaker 1: they're admittedly not good tests, but it's just because like
Speaker 1: the logistics, if you have a battalion of hundreds of marines, Like,
Speaker 1: are you gonna have this really scientific specific tests. No,
Speaker 1: It's like we can get two people to run around
Speaker 1: a track or around a you know whatever, do a
Speaker 1: running course. They can do push ups, get a bunch
Speaker 1: of pull up bars. So a lot of these tests
Speaker 1: are driven by logistical constraints in and this is just
Speaker 1: me talking in my ideal world after selection there, especially
Speaker 1: like in a soft unit where it's smaller and more decentralized,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even have an annual PT test because there's
Speaker 1: already so many objectives that you have to cover that
Speaker 1: if you're doing the right job specific training, you should
Speaker 1: know if you're physically prepared, Like if you're doing a
Speaker 1: full mission profile with a long infill and a lot
Speaker 1: of kit and like you're not falling out and you're
Speaker 1: keeping up with whatever the standard is for how fast
Speaker 1: do you want your team to do a tactical movement,
Speaker 1: then you're good. If you're like a PJ and you're
Speaker 1: dragging litters and you're keeping up with the team or
Speaker 1: whatever the standard is, Like, you shouldn't have to do
Speaker 1: some physical test in the gym. That's totally tangential to
Speaker 1: what you're doing. The problem with the military is it's
Speaker 1: a large organization, and the military is not okay with decentralization,
Speaker 1: so they they'll have these objective tests that like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a minimum standard, and it allows a commander or
Speaker 1: whoever to say, look, we're prepared, when really it's like this,
Speaker 1: being able to run three miles mean that you're physically prepared.
Speaker 1: Probably not. So, like I said, with the right job
Speaker 1: specific training, you should already know, and then guys can
Speaker 1: just do whatever they want in the gym or on
Speaker 1: their own as long as they're meeting that team standard
Speaker 1: and they have the right you know, like full mission
Speaker 1: profiles and and job and scenario based training. What the
Speaker 1: soft community particular is doing is there's so much scrutiny
Speaker 1: on like what's the best PT test, which I think
Speaker 1: is the wrong question, because again, the test is just
Speaker 1: one more box to check. It's almost like doing your
Speaker 1: annual government credit card training or you're you know, like
Speaker 1: whatever the thing is to kind of like keep you
Speaker 1: qualified just so you can justify your worth to the commanders.
Speaker 1: But so the like I know, the Air Force in particular,
Speaker 1: they've been fixating on this PT test for years, and
Speaker 1: they've spent millions of dollars hiring these think tanks to
Speaker 1: research like what's the best test and at least now
Speaker 1: what what they've come up with is almost to a
Speaker 1: t the NFL combine because they hire people like they'll
Speaker 1: hire like you know, NFL strength coaches are people who
Speaker 1: are working in pro sports and they're bias and their
Speaker 1: lens through which they look at fitness is the NFL
Speaker 1: or the NBA. So the guys, most of them have
Speaker 1: never been in combat. So it's right. And I'm not
Speaker 1: even saying you have to be in combat to understand,
Speaker 1: because you you can. You can be a good like
Speaker 1: trainer and evaluate that the needs of the job and
Speaker 1: come to a good conclusion without having done it yourself.
Speaker 1: Like they're there are good coaches like Bill Belichick didn't
Speaker 1: play in the NFL, but he knows how to coach.
Speaker 1: So I don't want to be self righteous and be like, well,
Speaker 1: if you're not in the military, you can never do it.
Speaker 1: But so they hire this think tank and what they
Speaker 1: came up with was basically the NFL in mind, but
Speaker 1: it's done, and it's done in cammies and boots. So
Speaker 1: like they're doing a five ten five, like a pro
Speaker 1: agility drill, a forty yard dash, three yard shuttle, like
Speaker 1: like literally all these things that like I haven't even
Speaker 1: really been validated in team sports, but they just they
Speaker 1: literally added cameas and boots and like so one of
Speaker 1: the test is a deadlift, which I think a deadlift
Speaker 1: could actually be a decent test if you're going to
Speaker 1: have a test, but like they're one of the stipulations
Speaker 1: is that it's done in boots. Like that really makes
Speaker 1: a difference that you're gonna make someone deadlift in combat boots. Um. So,
Speaker 1: like that's what they've come up with, after millions of
Speaker 1: dollars later, we've got an idea. We take what football
Speaker 1: is doing and we do it in camies got it right,
Speaker 1: and then and then they might have they might have
Speaker 1: added like a like a rug to it. But like
Speaker 1: to your points, even in the NFL, like you get
Speaker 1: there's a point where like you're fast enough to play
Speaker 1: the receiver in the NFL, and then it's about football
Speaker 1: specific skill. So like I wouldn't if I was an
Speaker 1: NFL GM, I wouldn't draft a receiver that ran a
Speaker 1: five oh forty. But really like whether someone runs a
Speaker 1: four or five or four or three shouldn't be influencing
Speaker 1: your decision at all, to be like looking at the
Speaker 1: film and watching them actually play the game or play
Speaker 1: the sport. So, um, this is a really controversial and
Speaker 1: problematic issue even in the military because they've put millions
Speaker 1: of dollars into it, and the best that can come
Speaker 1: up with right now is pretty much the NFL combine
Speaker 1: wearing combat boots. So it could definitely be better. Even now,
Speaker 1: what I'm wondering, why wouldn't they Why wouldn't the military
Speaker 1: hire someone like you? And it's not just to talk
Speaker 1: up what you do, but you have the background, you've
Speaker 1: been there. I would think you'd you'd kind of be
Speaker 1: the guy that they would go to or something like that. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not I'm not like, I'm not a
Speaker 1: savvy government contractor, which like that's a huge part of this,
Speaker 1: right because to procure a government contract that's worth millions
Speaker 1: of dollars, like, you have to know the system and
Speaker 1: you have to have an infrastructure in place to be
Speaker 1: able to procure the contract. And then the military just
Speaker 1: they want they want unnecessary complication, Like my ship would
Speaker 1: be so simple I could be like like, literally, I'll
Speaker 1: write a blog post and just do this, you know,
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't need to be like I said, if
Speaker 1: they're up to me, especially like a soft community, there
Speaker 1: wouldn't even be a test after selection. It would like
Speaker 1: if you have the right culture of accountability. That's the
Speaker 1: easiest thing to do is to be physically prepared, whether
Speaker 1: like you've spent enough range time, you've jumped enough. That's
Speaker 1: the hard part, right, Like being in shape is like
Speaker 1: literally anyone can do that. If I was going to
Speaker 1: have a test, it would be probably like pull ups
Speaker 1: with you know, twenty or thirty pounds of extra weight
Speaker 1: in an lb. Every test would be past fail. There
Speaker 1: will be no point scale because once you're fit enough,
Speaker 1: if you have a point scale, now you incentivize people
Speaker 1: to chase these arbitrary standards that actually don't help you
Speaker 1: and could be harmful. So if being able to do
Speaker 1: like eight pull ups is all you need to be
Speaker 1: to do the job competently, being able to do thirty
Speaker 1: or trying to do thirty is actually going to detract
Speaker 1: from things you should be spending time on, which is
Speaker 1: your job. So it would be some kind of a
Speaker 1: weighted pull up test. It would be probably like a
Speaker 1: trap are deadlift where you pick up say three pounds
Speaker 1: and then walk with it for a hundred feet to
Speaker 1: simulate picking up a litter and walking with it, which
Speaker 1: is very task specific. And then I'd probably have for
Speaker 1: aerobic fitness, something you could standardize like a treadmill test
Speaker 1: where you put it up to incline where your full
Speaker 1: combat load like seventy pounds, have a predetermined speed and duration.
Speaker 1: And again it would be past fail. And like that
Speaker 1: would literally be the test. Like those three things, there
Speaker 1: will be no running around and chasing cones and doing
Speaker 1: things that even in testing have a high potential for injury.
Speaker 1: But don't tell you anything, because the military is about
Speaker 1: now collecting data sometimes like for its own sake. You
Speaker 1: can collect data, doesn't mean that it's worthwhile data Like great,
Speaker 1: you have information, but how are you applying it? And
Speaker 1: even when the military hired these think tanks to quote
Speaker 1: unquote validate the test, all they did was they just
Speaker 1: ran a bunch of operators through what they think is
Speaker 1: a good test, collected data and said now we validated
Speaker 1: our test. All you did was you just collected arbitrary
Speaker 1: data to really validate a test, you would have to
Speaker 1: have a gold standard, and there's no gold standard for
Speaker 1: military fitness because the gold standard is doing the job,
Speaker 1: which is very hard to quantify. But is every mission
Speaker 1: is different. So so it's actually a lot of I'm
Speaker 1: curious if like you do so I You're He's absolutely right.
Speaker 1: The thing about specificity is it's more specific than people
Speaker 1: want to think, right. Um. It's like the way that
Speaker 1: I always put it is like you might be able
Speaker 1: to skateboard real good. It doesn't mean you can snowboard.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean you can surf, right Like. Specificity is
Speaker 1: a very particular uh efficiency in that you think the
Speaker 1: central nervous system to the profile nervous system to action
Speaker 1: potential that like, there's so much that goes into that
Speaker 1: that that essentially we're training ourselves to be good at
Speaker 1: a particular thing. Uh, Lance, I'm trying got good at
Speaker 1: the bike for by riding the fucking bike, not running right, Um, well,
Speaker 1: I'm maybe doing a little gear whatever, but but so no,
Speaker 1: but you know so, So it's interesting though, because within training,
Speaker 1: like I obviously do a lot of programming for people,
Speaker 1: and one of the hardest things on the planet to
Speaker 1: program for our folks that are interested in like cross
Speaker 1: fit or that kind of cross train, the new genre
Speaker 1: of cross training, because like, how exactly do I do
Speaker 1: an undulated or linear peritization model for somebody that essentially
Speaker 1: finds out the workout the day before and it could
Speaker 1: be swimming, or it could be running, or it could
Speaker 1: be climbing, or it could you know, And so like
Speaker 1: the best you're stuck with is this kind of random
Speaker 1: periodization and like maybe some structure within there. It's like
Speaker 1: you kind of map your clean and jerk, but like
Speaker 1: it's it's weird, And I think the military is subjects
Speaker 1: of the same issue, right, It's like it's too complex.
Speaker 1: Like like you said, I like the idea of taking
Speaker 1: away the scoring and just saying passer fail, Like here's
Speaker 1: you know what I mean Like that, that's that's beautiful.
Speaker 1: I also think it might get rid of some of
Speaker 1: the bureaucracy within there if you think, like these units
Speaker 1: are trying to be like the best PT units and
Speaker 1: there's so much emphasis and energy that goes into that,
Speaker 1: and it's horseship, right, what you're saying makes total sense
Speaker 1: to me. I could actually just apply to what I
Speaker 1: do in radio, So I am not people assume, oh,
Speaker 1: your radio guy. I am not the most tech savvy guy.
Speaker 1: So we got all this equipment for the podcast. When
Speaker 1: we were at the old studio, they had it all
Speaker 1: and they're like, and put all this together, Like, I
Speaker 1: have no fucking clue how to put all this stuff together.
Speaker 1: Once it's in front of me, I know how to
Speaker 1: work it. But you know, I went to Hopster University
Speaker 1: for radio. I learned about the formatics of radio working
Speaker 1: aboard all of that great stuff. But there are people
Speaker 1: who are much more savvy on computers. And and you're
Speaker 1: talking about two different things that are in the same realm,
Speaker 1: or several different things in the same realm. And and
Speaker 1: I think what you're saying about specificity definitely uh resonates
Speaker 1: with me. But yeah, I think a good analogy to
Speaker 1: use even for training, like a like a CrossFit thing,
Speaker 1: because the idea that like the military is so kind
Speaker 1: of chaotic that you can't prepare for it. Well, the
Speaker 1: military does it all the time. So like, as you know,
Speaker 1: in a soft unit, like you've got to be dive qualified,
Speaker 1: free fall qualified, to your tactics, your medicine, all these
Speaker 1: different things. So and even in like m m A right,
Speaker 1: like m A. Now you've got to be competent in
Speaker 1: striking and groundwork and submissions and wrestling and transitions. So
Speaker 1: the way that you trained for it is you basically
Speaker 1: try to figure out, like what individual skills are your
Speaker 1: week at, and then in different parts of the year
Speaker 1: you might prioritize different areas, and then as you get
Speaker 1: closer to your deployment or your competition or your you know,
Speaker 1: your match, then you kind of do like your full
Speaker 1: mission profiles. You're sparring. So you've got to train some
Speaker 1: of the components individually to develop them, and then once
Speaker 1: you kind of have the individual pieces, then you can
Speaker 1: kind of combine them. But the differences to be like
Speaker 1: to compete in the CrossFit Games, that is that is
Speaker 1: elite sport. It's like being in the NBA or the NFL.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be have a cross Fit Games
Speaker 1: level of fitness to even be in a soft unit.
Speaker 1: And that's where people get confused, Like the military loves
Speaker 1: to puppets own tires and say, well, like like you said,
Speaker 1: it's a point of pride to have like the highest
Speaker 1: PT standards. But once once people get through selection. To me,
Speaker 1: it's like, if you're doing your job, you're fine. Like
Speaker 1: the guys in the NBA right now who are in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, they're not like being withheld from games because
Speaker 1: they can't do a certain number of push ups, are
Speaker 1: denied a certain amount of weight. Right, It's like they're
Speaker 1: they're playing in the games. And if you're putting up
Speaker 1: numbers and you're helping your team win, then you're playing.
Speaker 1: I'll throw one one wrench into this for you, because
Speaker 1: this is would be my one caveat to what I
Speaker 1: think all of your suggestions that and I think all
Speaker 1: the exercises you mentioned would be would be legitimate, like
Speaker 1: good replacements. My only issue with like, let's say that
Speaker 1: the Marine Corps an example, keeps the standardization exactly where
Speaker 1: it is, and and really that's all it is, right,
Speaker 1: Like it just just can you run three miles? Can
Speaker 1: you do pull ups? Can you do set ups? Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm with that. The problem that I got is three
Speaker 1: miles at slow, steady pace or this whole idea of
Speaker 1: like what we have with these kind of long distance
Speaker 1: ends up to actually leading to more injuries, which which
Speaker 1: I think negatively affects us as a whole. So at
Speaker 1: the very least, I think we should at least try
Speaker 1: to address the fact that, like it needs to be
Speaker 1: a fitness test, that it practically makes sense to not
Speaker 1: hurting people like boots and youths for a five mile run.
Speaker 1: Is I mean that is the best way to fund
Speaker 1: somebody's back or knees or well, actually I'm preaching of
Speaker 1: the here, dude, I got the like, I totally agree, man.
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing. When you when you test something,
Speaker 1: you incentivize people to prepare for that test. So if
Speaker 1: you're making long distance running a test, people are going
Speaker 1: to train for that test. And to me, long distance
Speaker 1: running in a military community, like the everything has a
Speaker 1: risk and a reward, but like the upside for what
Speaker 1: you're gonna get and what what you're risking with that
Speaker 1: orthopedic cost of all that cumulative running, to me is
Speaker 1: not worth it because the job itself is inherently stressful enough.
Speaker 1: If you're jumping out of planes and doing all these
Speaker 1: things that why are like, why are you subjecting yourself
Speaker 1: to that orthopedic cost when you don't do long distance running.
Speaker 1: So at least if you're walking up hill on a treadmill.
Speaker 1: You can justify well, like I actually have to do
Speaker 1: this for my job, right, And that's why I don't
Speaker 1: like the point scale on some of these things, because
Speaker 1: on some of the proposed Air Force tests, it was
Speaker 1: like to max the test, you had to trap our
Speaker 1: deadlift like five pounds three or four times, Like what's once?
Speaker 1: You can do three pounds or three fifty if that's enough.
Speaker 1: Now you're incentivizing someone to take on all this edition
Speaker 1: a risk to achieve a number that's told the arbitrary,
Speaker 1: so they could say I max the test. So you
Speaker 1: have to know the psychology of your people, and especially
Speaker 1: like in the military or in a soft unit, no
Speaker 1: one's gonna be content with the minimums. And so if
Speaker 1: you have a point scale, everyone's gonna try to chase
Speaker 1: these arbitrary numbers and there's a cost of doing that.
Speaker 1: Like the people the researchers think that it exists in
Speaker 1: a vacuum because in a study the variables are very controlled,
Speaker 1: But we don't work in a vacuum. We work in
Speaker 1: like they're doing other things that are also stressful to
Speaker 1: their body besides dead lifting. And if you're trying to
Speaker 1: incentivize a pound dead lift. It's coming at a cost
Speaker 1: that you don't think you can justify. I used to
Speaker 1: say our three mile, our three mile run in the
Speaker 1: Marine Corps, the perfect scores in eighteen eighteen minutes, and
Speaker 1: like he's still to this day, I've been twelve years
Speaker 1: as a Finnished professional. I'm like, that is fucking fast,
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean, I'm like three. I mean,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I'm not like, I'm not a program.
Speaker 1: I know that people out there listening they were like, yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: that's not that bad. I'm like, look, three consistent six
Speaker 1: minute miles. Like in what I saw marines, average fucking
Speaker 1: marines having to go to try to chase this. It
Speaker 1: was it's a joke, you know what I mean, what
Speaker 1: for a ribbon or some ship? Like what the fuck
Speaker 1: have either of you guys in your practice had to
Speaker 1: prepare someone for any type of military training. Um I was.
Speaker 1: I would like sometimes lead some of the fitness like
Speaker 1: the you know, the prepackaged fitness to like workouts that
Speaker 1: we would do. But it was just sixteen year old,
Speaker 1: seventeen year old you know, been like hey, I want
Speaker 1: to do what you did. I want to be a marine.
Speaker 1: I So I currently actually, um, I just had a
Speaker 1: consultation with a girl who is wanting to go into
Speaker 1: Army basic training and she can't do a push up,
Speaker 1: and so I am working with her. I think that
Speaker 1: I'm essentially, though, like specifically working on the standards that
Speaker 1: she needs to make sure she's going to be able
Speaker 1: to pass within basic training. Though outside of that, I'm
Speaker 1: doing some diversity of things like you're talking about, like
Speaker 1: some of the farmers carry walks and and some different
Speaker 1: things that I think are just great for general fitness mobility.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's funny going into basic training, I
Speaker 1: remember thinking like, oh, this is gonna be physically hard.
Speaker 1: At fuck, it was a mind It was a mind fun,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. And there were physical aspects that
Speaker 1: were hard, but I would have never thought to train isometrically.
Speaker 1: And half the time the hardest SHIP I did was
Speaker 1: holding my foot, luck over my head or something, you know, stupid.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I would have never thought that. I'm like
Speaker 1: jogging and ship thinking this is gonna make me better
Speaker 1: at boot camp? Like no, not even close. What about you, Doug?
Speaker 1: If you had to prepare anybody or quite a bit
Speaker 1: and I always do with the caveat. I'm like, how
Speaker 1: you should train for selection is not how you should
Speaker 1: train once you're selected. I mean, they have to meet
Speaker 1: the standards, right, So I try to balance, like I
Speaker 1: want you to meet the standard, but I also want
Speaker 1: to keep you healthy too, and like train you in
Speaker 1: a way that I think is actually useful besides doing
Speaker 1: a million push ups and a million setups, because again
Speaker 1: those are only tests because they're logistically very easy to do.
Speaker 1: I don't think a one minute push up tests really
Speaker 1: has a lot of diagnostic value. And even things like
Speaker 1: sit ups, like people don't really do sit ups anymore.
Speaker 1: It's not like that much of a thing um, even
Speaker 1: from like a risk reward standpoint, like people can argue, oh,
Speaker 1: it's not that dangerous or it is, but to me,
Speaker 1: it's like when in real life do you ever try
Speaker 1: to go on and off the ground and flex your
Speaker 1: trunk repeatedly? There's other ways to like train the core
Speaker 1: if you want to call if that's the word you
Speaker 1: want to use. But so if you're being tested on it,
Speaker 1: I've got to prepare you. So I try to balance, like,
Speaker 1: all right, we want you to meet the standards and
Speaker 1: do well and not just skate by where then you're
Speaker 1: one of those people that has is under the microscope,
Speaker 1: but also train you for the long term as well.
Speaker 1: So it's a it's a balancing because you know, we
Speaker 1: don't get to make the standards. They are what they are,
Speaker 1: and you've got to get ready for it. Yeah, that's true,
Speaker 1: and it's yeah, and it is what it is. It's
Speaker 1: like you said with this girl, I'm like, like I
Speaker 1: I almost kind of cringe a little bit that I've
Speaker 1: got to like really make you proficient at like these
Speaker 1: kind of like what I think to be, you know,
Speaker 1: just silly things. But I'm like, it is what it is.
Speaker 1: You got you know, Actually, you know how I feel
Speaker 1: is um I teach a personal training certification school, so
Speaker 1: I currently certified trainers. We have like an affiliation within
Speaker 1: a s M, and so training trainers is an interesting
Speaker 1: thing for me because obviously, being a very passionate fitness professional,
Speaker 1: I want them to get practical advice that is going
Speaker 1: to make them good trainers in the field, that's going
Speaker 1: to make them successful. But I also have to teach
Speaker 1: them to pass the goddamn in a s M test.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, like I gotta teach you this op
Speaker 1: T model. And I'm not saying it's the worst in
Speaker 1: the world, but I'm like, this is a cookie cutter
Speaker 1: linear peritization cycle that is lacks any Like if you
Speaker 1: had somebody doing stabilization and balance for six weeks, you're
Speaker 1: gonna lose that fucking client, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm like, so it's just not real life. But but
Speaker 1: it's like you've got to know this for the test.
Speaker 1: So and this is not I mean, this is not
Speaker 1: unique to our field. Right, Like if you talk to
Speaker 1: any teacher, it's the same thing. Every teacher is trying
Speaker 1: to balance. We need these kids to pass the standardized
Speaker 1: test at some bureaucrat who's totally disconnected creative. But I
Speaker 1: also want my kids to like learn useful things. But
Speaker 1: if you don't get them to pass the test, then
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose your job, and then the kid's parents
Speaker 1: are gonna be mad at you. You're trying to chase Like, well,
Speaker 1: we all got into these professions because we want people
Speaker 1: to actually learn things that are useful, whether it's you know,
Speaker 1: math or fitness stuff for physical therapy. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, like we have you know, these top down
Speaker 1: initiatives that are telling us that we have to meet
Speaker 1: certain standards, and it's always a balancing act. Like no
Speaker 1: one it's not unique to any one field, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: What's interesting is how I think that we're you know,
Speaker 1: I I see a mixed bag, like in personal training anyway,
Speaker 1: But um, I feel like there's a lot of folks
Speaker 1: that are really good at being students now, you know,
Speaker 1: like like there are a lot of really like it's
Speaker 1: always the folks that they you know, they've got the degree.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I love my wife to death, I
Speaker 1: really do. She's an amazing human being. She is a
Speaker 1: she's good at being a student. You know, she's got
Speaker 1: the degrees, she's got the but rarely actually uses them,
Speaker 1: right Because there is this this distinct separation between practicality
Speaker 1: and being able to be a good student. And I
Speaker 1: and I find it to be interesting. And I wonder
Speaker 1: how the market event like our you know, when you
Speaker 1: go into a job interview nowadays, is is it more
Speaker 1: of a conversation about degrees or or are we going
Speaker 1: back to the days where like, you know, experience and
Speaker 1: just just practical street smarts if you will matter more.
Speaker 1: Um I feel like we're in a weird, muddled up
Speaker 1: place right now. Yeah, especially because there's so many guys
Speaker 1: with jobs, um, who they don't teach in school. And
Speaker 1: I would even say, for me, I have a degree
Speaker 1: in radio, but at the time where I went to
Speaker 1: school for radio, podcasting was barely a thing. I barely
Speaker 1: ever heard of it, And this is how I'm making
Speaker 1: a career now. Now. I'm sure they're incorporating that into
Speaker 1: education now, but there's plenty of people who work in
Speaker 1: this field who did not get any type of degree
Speaker 1: in radio, nor any education in podcasting, because it still
Speaker 1: is kind of in its infancy. So I know exactly
Speaker 1: what you're saying. You can connected with many things, Um.
Speaker 1: The last thing I was wondering that I wanted to
Speaker 1: get into with both of you guys, and we kind
Speaker 1: of hit on it before we're recording. You were saying
Speaker 1: CJ that you were thinking of going the physical therapy
Speaker 1: route when you offer the Marines, but ended up going
Speaker 1: the route that you did. What would you suggest to
Speaker 1: people getting out of the military, which I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: many of them listening who are passionate about fitness and
Speaker 1: want to make this career a career in some way
Speaker 1: the way both of you have. Man, I'm interested to see, uh,
Speaker 1: I see what you think about it. So I I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be honest with you. I I have a hard
Speaker 1: time swallowing the pill of the UM. I think the
Speaker 1: the the education system that is set up, like like
Speaker 1: you know, to go through and get these high level degrees,
Speaker 1: and and and the the porshit that you have to
Speaker 1: deal with the money you have to spend. Half of
Speaker 1: these people end up in debt somehow. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: I think about my wife. You went to a private school,
Speaker 1: you know, went to Baylor. She has a sports of
Speaker 1: Sports science bachelor's degree that we're probably gonna be paying
Speaker 1: on for who knows how, who knows how long. UM,
Speaker 1: there's a part of me that I want to I
Speaker 1: want to say like like somebody, you know, like, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: go go chase after a degree so you can get
Speaker 1: like a you know, a PT job and you know
Speaker 1: you'll have certain opportunities that will open up for you.
Speaker 1: And then as somebody that didn't take that route, that
Speaker 1: went the fifteen week certification route and then became an
Speaker 1: entrepreneur and my second year as a trainer had a
Speaker 1: six figure income. It's hard for me to suggest the latter,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Now, with that said, I
Speaker 1: think that you also have to separate the passion side
Speaker 1: of it. What I had that come to the reason
Speaker 1: I didn't go PET had nothing to do with school though. Um.
Speaker 1: The reason I didn't go PET was because I had
Speaker 1: to really have a hard, like honest conversation with myself
Speaker 1: what specific arena in fitness and my passionate about like
Speaker 1: what type of people do I want to work with?
Speaker 1: And I realized that I wasn't really interested in rehabbing
Speaker 1: people or working with people that are broken. That's obviously
Speaker 1: no offense to people that's it's fucking amazing. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like school teachers, Like I'm not great with working
Speaker 1: with kids, but there are people that are fucking amazing
Speaker 1: at working with kids. I just got to be real
Speaker 1: with myself and say that's not me. Um, what I liked.
Speaker 1: I was passionate about taking somebody that's healthy individual and
Speaker 1: seeing how far we could take it. It's like, let's
Speaker 1: let's let's see if we can catch this motherfucker on fire,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like like build a hot rod.
Speaker 1: And so that's where personal training just was an organic
Speaker 1: fit for me, right, Like I didn't need to be
Speaker 1: a physical therapist to do that. Um. And also for me,
Speaker 1: I also recognized that I was I was good at talking.
Speaker 1: That was a good uh you know people person naturally
Speaker 1: more of an influencer. It was easy for me to
Speaker 1: fit the entrepreneurial slash personal training world right. Um. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't know if that really
Speaker 1: helps a hund percent, but I will tell you know,
Speaker 1: most folks that personal training would be at least even
Speaker 1: if you end up going PC, personal training would be
Speaker 1: an easy introduction that would be low cost for you
Speaker 1: to get to know whether or not this industry is
Speaker 1: for you. So that'd be my two cents on it.
Speaker 1: There's uh. I'm gonna answer this in a roundabout way
Speaker 1: because I love the points that you made about academia
Speaker 1: and I still think that the best way to learn
Speaker 1: most things is through the apprenticeship model, not by sitting
Speaker 1: in a classroom. So part of the reason even why
Speaker 1: I went to physical therapy school, it is not because
Speaker 1: the information I learned in the classroom is so valuable.
Speaker 1: It's because it granted me access to people who are
Speaker 1: working in the kinds of settings that I wanted to
Speaker 1: work in, and I had four months of unlimited access
Speaker 1: where I was basically they're sponge and it's it's like podcasting,
Speaker 1: like you can read about it in textbook, but you
Speaker 1: probably got better at it by watching somebody do it
Speaker 1: and then you figured it out, right, um, and that's
Speaker 1: why and and by the way, doing it yourself. And
Speaker 1: and you probably have the same thing with recording yourself.
Speaker 1: I listened to every podcast and and I say, I
Speaker 1: hate that I did this, I hate the way I
Speaker 1: said this, and and being you know, critical of yourself,
Speaker 1: which it plays into exactly what you're saying, that you
Speaker 1: can't learn that in a book, right, And and so
Speaker 1: even this idea now, like this whole free college movement,
Speaker 1: I actually think it's a terrible idea because it perpetuates
Speaker 1: the notion that you can only be validated through these
Speaker 1: academic institutions. It gives them the monopoly on like where
Speaker 1: the gatekeepers to everything, Like what is college really making
Speaker 1: you good at? It's making a lot of people wealthy
Speaker 1: at these institutions, but they've become echo chambers, and I
Speaker 1: don't think they're the best places for learning Anyway, maybe
Speaker 1: this is just me too and a sidebar here, but
Speaker 1: it's also very I think, in coming from a guy
Speaker 1: in New York and you too, kind of coastal elitist,
Speaker 1: because some of the highest paying jobs are patroleum engineers
Speaker 1: and stuff that you can get an apprenticeship for if
Speaker 1: you're in a certain part of the country. I mean,
Speaker 1: those are high risk jobs, but you don't have to
Speaker 1: go to college to do that, right And but I
Speaker 1: mean in most places you need now even a graduate.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could have a law degree and it
Speaker 1: doesn't guarantee you a great living these days, which is
Speaker 1: why what c J did is so unique. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that really answered the question, like you've got
Speaker 1: to figure out what is it that you actually want
Speaker 1: to do, and then you know it's not perfect, but
Speaker 1: try to find people who are doing it and model
Speaker 1: yourself after them. I mean, I I want to pt
Speaker 1: route because I wanted to be able to even though
Speaker 1: I actually kind of identify more as like a performance
Speaker 1: oriented person, like a trainer. I wanted to be able
Speaker 1: to have oversight over that whole process. Um. So, like
Speaker 1: if we're working with an athlete, especially a high level one,
Speaker 1: most of them have pretty extensive injury histories, and even
Speaker 1: if you're not rehabbing them acutely, it helps to have
Speaker 1: or rehab background to understand how to train them at
Speaker 1: a higher stage. Um and it's just going to physical
Speaker 1: therapy school gave me a little bit more like a
Speaker 1: biomechanical and a physiological background that I think ultimately made
Speaker 1: me better as a practitioner. But my situation was also
Speaker 1: unique because like I knew that I didn't join the
Speaker 1: military to get the post nine eleven g I bill.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that was the thing, But like,
Speaker 1: I'm not three grand in debt like my classmates because
Speaker 1: I got to go to a private school and have
Speaker 1: the g I bill pay for it. So when people
Speaker 1: ask me, they're like, well, I kind of want to
Speaker 1: do what you do, but should I go the trainer route,
Speaker 1: the massage therapist route, or the PT route. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: it depends, like are you thirty years old and do
Speaker 1: you have a good job, Like do you want to
Speaker 1: spend the next three day years not making any money
Speaker 1: and going into debt or are you twenty two you
Speaker 1: just out of college, where like you're already in debt
Speaker 1: and now at the time to take on more or
Speaker 1: like do you even want to take on any more
Speaker 1: debt at all? I Mean these are things that are
Speaker 1: very individualized, but you've got to start with like what
Speaker 1: is it that you actually want to do, and then
Speaker 1: trying to figure out like if it's if it's a
Speaker 1: if you need a medical credential to do that, there's
Speaker 1: no getting around it. But like you know, you're yeah,
Speaker 1: I I So what's interesting is like it's interesting you're
Speaker 1: saying that because you're right, like having your PT background
Speaker 1: you it opens up a certain doors for you. Like
Speaker 1: and if if anything, it really um has you shine
Speaker 1: on a piece of paper, like like if you were
Speaker 1: to talk to like say an NFL athlete and it's
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna be your performance coach, but I'm also
Speaker 1: a physical therapist. That that's fucking clutch, right, Like like
Speaker 1: anybody uh is gonna say like their dick's gonna get
Speaker 1: hard when they feel like I want to pick that guy? Right,
Speaker 1: Like I get it? Um what I think that And
Speaker 1: that's something that you have to address in general. Whatever
Speaker 1: you you end up doing, is that that your resume
Speaker 1: however you build that. But I actually found a little
Speaker 1: bit of loophole around that. And it's not to say
Speaker 1: that obviously I can't prescribe. I can't be the guy
Speaker 1: to treat or prevent you know, your illness or whatever
Speaker 1: if you have a torn meniscus or something legally right,
Speaker 1: but um, what I what I realized, I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what we have. We live in the information age.
Speaker 1: I understand this stuff. I basically spent my first like
Speaker 1: six years as a trainer making every waking moment a
Speaker 1: an opportunity to learn, and I constantly was digging. I
Speaker 1: was following the higher level researchers. I'm trying to uh,
Speaker 1: but I'm self teaching right now. I don't have it.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a piece of paper to back me up.
Speaker 1: And that sucks because then it's like, well, how do
Speaker 1: people know that you're smart? Like maybe you are smart,
Speaker 1: but how do you how do you really? So for me,
Speaker 1: my hack on that was the fitness modeling, the bodybuilding,
Speaker 1: the influencing. I use the leverages around me to say,
Speaker 1: you know what, like the booty girl from Instagram kind
Speaker 1: of has a hack there, right, So that's that's going
Speaker 1: to be my degree, if you will is is um
Speaker 1: I'm the guy that shakes more hands than the next guy, right, Like,
Speaker 1: But but I could have gone the degree route. Um,
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest with you, if I was in
Speaker 1: a better if I was in a situation right now,
Speaker 1: like I would love to have a PT degree just
Speaker 1: to say I did it. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: just say I have it. So um. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: didn't even think about the fact that here in Texas,
Speaker 1: especially if you're a military side up in Texas, you
Speaker 1: have the the hazel or not the hazel, is that
Speaker 1: the hazel would act. It's I don't know something essentially
Speaker 1: like you have unlimited college money basically, so yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess you won't be going in debt. No, it's a
Speaker 1: great point. Like the world, I mean, we live in
Speaker 1: a superficial world where like people are gonna judge you
Speaker 1: based on the paper. So but you found a way
Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, draw people's attention through other means.
Speaker 1: It's just gonna be harder to do that. So that
Speaker 1: but that's really impressive because you did it. You did
Speaker 1: it the real way, like the no bullshit way like,
Speaker 1: and that's why a lot of especially the more academic type,
Speaker 1: still feel kind of shipped on people who are like
Speaker 1: social media influencers and who maybe like probably and have
Speaker 1: more understandably so though like there's a lot of shitty
Speaker 1: ones out there, though you know, at the same time
Speaker 1: it's like they're doing something right that you're not doing.
Speaker 1: Like you can be you can be what the theoretically
Speaker 1: best practitioner and have the most knowledge, but part of
Speaker 1: like gaining access to people and being able to apply
Speaker 1: that knowledge is the promotional aspects. So there was a
Speaker 1: time even in my career where I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: like these people suck, Like why does this person have
Speaker 1: this much influence? But it's like all right, like what
Speaker 1: can I learn from them? Because you can you can
Speaker 1: be like the comic book guy from Simpsons, where you're
Speaker 1: like this nihilist and it's like I'm just so much
Speaker 1: smart than everybody. I'm this misunderstood genius but great, Like
Speaker 1: you have to be you have to be you have
Speaker 1: to be relatable and people have to like you. And
Speaker 1: if you can't do that, then it doesn't matter how
Speaker 1: much you know. So there is no what's cool it's
Speaker 1: cool about you? And I is like talking because so
Speaker 1: I I used to say this forever, I'm like, like,
Speaker 1: the thing is is that we have these different pockets
Speaker 1: of society, right, and I call them like my people
Speaker 1: or your people or whatever. Right, It's like, like, we
Speaker 1: have these different segments of society, and I think that
Speaker 1: the the only answer to any sort of you know,
Speaker 1: whatever is wrong within that community is policing ourselves. It's
Speaker 1: not yelling at the guy across the sense, right. And
Speaker 1: it's interesting to me because I I say, like, I
Speaker 1: came from the social media influencer back. I came from
Speaker 1: the millennial of the Facebook millennial, right, Like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: the the YouTuber, right, So what's interesting is I come
Speaker 1: at the same way you do, though, but I speak
Speaker 1: for my people and I kind of come down on
Speaker 1: influencers a lot where I'm like, congratulations, you're fucking popular.
Speaker 1: I'm not impressed. Be smart, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And you're kind of saying it the alternative way, like
Speaker 1: congratulations you're smart. Yeah. Yeah, I knew this would be
Speaker 1: an excellent pairing. So kudos to myself. No, this this
Speaker 1: was this was a great discussion and it flew by
Speaker 1: and for the audience. It's so funny because I shot
Speaker 1: an email to both these guys and I was like,
Speaker 1: what topics are we recover and you guys like, I
Speaker 1: will come up with it on the fly. And we
Speaker 1: covered a lot of ground here with really very little
Speaker 1: prep for this show because I think it just made
Speaker 1: sense to have both of you guys from similar but
Speaker 1: different backgrounds get into this. And I also have a
Speaker 1: passion for fitness, so it was enjoyable to be able
Speaker 1: to get into something different than the usual door kicking stuff.
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Speaker 1: where we kind of got more into your Air Force
Speaker 1: PJA background, in your combat background. Um, and you know what.
Speaker 1: The last thing I want to cover here because someone
Speaker 1: sent it to me and I thought this was worth mentioning.
Speaker 1: A listener actually messaged me on the softwap radio page
Speaker 1: and sent me this article. So this UH woman's Army
Speaker 1: Air Corps officer and World War Two veteran. She's turning
Speaker 1: one years old. Sarah Parsons UH is turning one hundred
Speaker 1: on Sunday, April, and according to a post on the
Speaker 1: Wisconsin Never Forgotten Honor Flights Facebook page, she said that she's,
Speaker 1: you know, setting this challenge to have, as she puts it,
Speaker 1: bazillions of birthday cards. So I think it's well worth it.
Speaker 1: An original Women's Army Air Corps officer in World War
Speaker 1: Two veteran. So if you want to write this down
Speaker 1: and send her a card, it's Sarah Parsons, Care of
Speaker 1: Renewed Liberty to five eight Street South, number one, thirty eight,
Speaker 1: Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin, five four four nine four. And this
Speaker 1: is originally from UM. If you go to w A
Speaker 1: o W dot com and look up Sarah Parsons, you'll
Speaker 1: see the article. UM. But yeah, if you want to
Speaker 1: play that back and write it down, Uh yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's great that we have veterans turning a
Speaker 1: hundred in this country still, and I sometimes forget that
Speaker 1: we're the last people who are get to meet some
Speaker 1: of these people from World War Two. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: met probably a good dozen Holocaust survivors in my life,
Speaker 1: and I think about, like, for people who have kids,
Speaker 1: they likely will never meet these people we had on
Speaker 1: the pod catched Captain Jerry Yellen, who flew the last
Speaker 1: combat flight over Japan and World War Two. He's gone now.
Speaker 1: We had were one of the guys who was there
Speaker 1: on Poor Pearl Harbor on the podcast. He's no longer
Speaker 1: with us. So these guys are and women are not
Speaker 1: going to be with us for much longer, so you
Speaker 1: really got to cherish our time with them. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I actually had an opportunity with Zero Bunker to meet
Speaker 1: a guy by the name of Don Graves, and he
Speaker 1: was standing on Sarah Bacchi when they raised the flag,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's like, I mean, just to be
Speaker 1: in the same room with a human being like that
Speaker 1: is just unreal to me. You know. Yeah, I felt
Speaker 1: that it's just a great honor. And if you get
Speaker 1: a chance to meet these people, go for it. And
Speaker 1: and it's more than getting you know, a selfie with them.
Speaker 1: Get their experiences and they have a great story to tell,
Speaker 1: but get the selfie too. Yes, sure, um, says the
Speaker 1: social media influencer. So Doug's website is Resilient Performance dot com.
Speaker 1: Your personal Twitter is green feet pet. If you go
Speaker 1: to Resilient Performance dot com, it's got the Instagram and Twitter,
Speaker 1: I know for Resilient Performance, and the podcast uh c
Speaker 1: J is on Instagram. You're mainly just two Instagram right, Well,
Speaker 1: could is there any way I could like? So I like,
Speaker 1: whatever you want here, this is your this is your
Speaker 1: gene Simmons a moment. Yeah, he was probably gonna. I figured,
Speaker 1: I figured, this is the time where you shout out
Speaker 1: like our our Instagram handles and stuff. And I totally
Speaker 1: appreciate it, but I actually wanted to if I can so.
Speaker 1: My my wife, my amazingly talented wife, is a professional
Speaker 1: singer and she's really trying to get recognized. She's very,
Speaker 1: very good. I don't say that lightly like a lot
Speaker 1: of people say they're good. She's stupid good. But she's
Speaker 1: Lindsay Anna official on Instagram. And if you go to YouTube,
Speaker 1: we have actually been putting together. She was a professional
Speaker 1: music video. So just put in Lindsay Anne cover or
Speaker 1: Lindsay Ane cover song and we're doing currently covers. But
Speaker 1: anybody listening this far, please go check her out, like
Speaker 1: give her the love. Like I'm good on followers right now,
Speaker 1: but you know, and you follow me too. It's a
Speaker 1: N N or a N N E. So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's Lindsay with the A Y and a N N official.
Speaker 1: This is the ultimate millennial act of chivalry right here. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly right. I should be wearing like the dog, like
Speaker 1: the dog knows in the years right now. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I will give out CJ's Instagram which is at c
Speaker 1: J woodwroof Official on Instagram. Uh, and what what's your
Speaker 1: YouTube page if people want to check that out. I
Speaker 1: think it's also c J would refer Actually, you know what,
Speaker 1: it's just c J would. I think I actually got
Speaker 1: the just CJ would, so YouTube forwards last c J would.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with everybody, I have not been consistent
Speaker 1: on my YouTube uploads, but I have a fun ton
Speaker 1: of blogs you can go back through and watch. So
Speaker 1: what stuff are you going to do in the future,
Speaker 1: because I know you were doing some podcast stuff. The
Speaker 1: last time you were on you were doing the stuff
Speaker 1: with Zero Bunker, which was similar to this podcast. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so so Zero Is kind of made some changes and
Speaker 1: so they stopped doing the podcast. I be honestly, man,
Speaker 1: like I went through a weird phase, like I think
Speaker 1: I said on the last like a podcast, and I
Speaker 1: was trying to like really find like I was trying
Speaker 1: to really get reinvigorated about stuff, you know, and so
Speaker 1: that kind of led to a lot of inconsistency with
Speaker 1: posting and trying stuff and like realizing like it's not
Speaker 1: really for me, and I have such a great group
Speaker 1: of followers. Oh man, like the these subscribers and stuff.
Speaker 1: I just like, I swear I could just post, hey,
Speaker 1: what's up and people like, yeah, man, that's awesome, you know,
Speaker 1: and and so they're they're amazing. I just I do
Speaker 1: feel a little guilty because I want to get more
Speaker 1: consistent on it. And so I just recently got back
Speaker 1: into the fitness world. Um, I actually started a company
Speaker 1: called Savage Coaching, and I'm gonna be honestly, it's very
Speaker 1: much in the infancy right now, but imagine fucked up
Speaker 1: savage memes meets high level academic fitness. That's basically what
Speaker 1: we're gonna be doing. And uh so I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna ensue a series of probably vlogs and educational content.
Speaker 1: And I've got a whole lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff and actually have a team of people I'm working
Speaker 1: with on this. So it's gonna be a big, big
Speaker 1: we gotta we got an app. Uh it's a huge
Speaker 1: project X. But I hate to like send anybody over
Speaker 1: there just yet because I'm like, we it's so new
Speaker 1: that we're still like there's a lot of infrastructure we
Speaker 1: need to work on though. Cool Well, I'm sure people
Speaker 1: follow you on Instagram as that's as its progresses, you'll
Speaker 1: let them know. Um, but that's really it. Have a
Speaker 1: great weekend, everybody. And oh, I'm about to hold it
Speaker 1: up and I we don't even have video for this podcast,
Speaker 1: but in front of me, I do have Murphy's Law.
Speaker 1: Pick up Murphy's Law by Jack Murphy. It's out this
Speaker 1: coming week. So that's why I'll be back in New York.
Speaker 1: I'll be back next podcast. I've started the book. It's excellent.
Speaker 1: It's getting great reviews so far from the people who
Speaker 1: got advanced copies. And all I could say, because I
Speaker 1: don't want to give anything away, I was telling Doug
Speaker 1: one story in the book before we recorded. It is
Speaker 1: basically as candidate as it gets. If you're a fan
Speaker 1: of like Jocko Willing laif fab in the Extreme Ownership book.
Speaker 1: This is in that same category and even credits Chris
Speaker 1: Ferronto near the end of the book because Chris talks
Speaker 1: about the times that he fucked up, in the times
Speaker 1: that he did things wrong, and Jack was inspired by
Speaker 1: that to not do a book of look how awesome
Speaker 1: I am, Look how badass I am. He does get
Speaker 1: in detail about all the times that he he didn't
Speaker 1: do things the way he should have. And it took
Speaker 1: a lot of balls to really put that paper and
Speaker 1: put it out. And I hope and believe this book
Speaker 1: will be a giant success on Simon and Schuster. So
Speaker 1: this is the first book Jack's done that's on a
Speaker 1: major imprint. He's done several fiction books self published, but
Speaker 1: I think this will be a big one. Awesome, very cool.
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, thanks for doing this all right, thanks for
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