Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, if you ever are at a railway crossing
Speaker 1: and those signals are flashing and you don't see the train,
Speaker 1: and you're thinking yourself, I'm running a little bit late.
Speaker 1: I gotta get to work. The boss man is gonna
Speaker 1: get on my old. You know, he's gonna get mad
Speaker 1: at me. He's gonna get on my case. Maybe I'll
Speaker 1: go through the crossing. Bad idea, you know, I think
Speaker 1: about this. In two thousand eighteen alone, two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy people were killed at railroad crossings. Two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy stop trains. Can't be around with the NFL podcast
Speaker 1: has never rubbed another man's rubar. Welcome to another edition
Speaker 1: of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis,
Speaker 1: and I am joined in a room filled with heroes,
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and Greg Roosevelt. What is up, boys,
Speaker 1: heyd Hey, not that there's anything wrong with rubbing rubar.
Speaker 1: Please no more rubar. I'm begging you. I don't like
Speaker 1: a mute anything on Twitter, but I have if we're
Speaker 1: getting close, if Rubarb continues to show up with my mentions,
Speaker 1: and I love our overseas listeners, and you know, they'd
Speaker 1: like to teach us about their culture. I just I
Speaker 1: don't have the interest in Rubarb. It's not a thing
Speaker 1: for me. It's like we're talking before the show, Ricky
Speaker 1: Hollywood behind the Glass, early's nineties alternative rock came up.
Speaker 1: We're talking about Soul Asylum and the song Runaway Train
Speaker 1: and whether it's good or if it holds up and
Speaker 1: all that. Ricky, you just don't want to hear it, right.
Speaker 1: It's not like there's no no offense, it's just like
Speaker 1: you don't want to hear us talking about that. Well
Speaker 1: around how I feel about Rubar. Around the same time
Speaker 1: that Runaway Train was was such a hit. I was,
Speaker 1: you know, in a band called Delaware, which we've brought
Speaker 1: up the show, which was on the label Strawberry Rubar
Speaker 1: Strawberry Ruby Records. How it all ties to other bands?
Speaker 1: How many bands were on this label? This is another
Speaker 1: another link in the investment. We had a zine Strawberry
Speaker 1: ruburb So it's just yeah, there's been multiple discussion saying
Speaker 1: that all the tapes and all the footage exist, you
Speaker 1: just won't bring them bring it to us, is it yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you have the tapes? Yes? Or no? Greg I
Speaker 1: have one tape, so it's the investigation. It doesn't even
Speaker 1: exist at this point, which just it's on you to
Speaker 1: bring it in. Just think how happy you'll make people? Like,
Speaker 1: what does that mean to you? To make people happy?
Speaker 1: Not enough? Apparently? What if you put it? What? All? Right?
Speaker 1: This is a serious question because the internet is pretty
Speaker 1: amazing with crowdsourcing and funding. As we've seen, we got
Speaker 1: one of our old producers a brand new car. I
Speaker 1: think we're paid for repairs West of course, during his
Speaker 1: courageous cancer fight, the listeners pitched in and helped West
Speaker 1: out with the bills. What would it What would be
Speaker 1: the number Greg that fans would have to raise? And
Speaker 1: I'm not joking to get the Delaware tapes on our podcast.
Speaker 1: I can't put a price on it. Don't put a
Speaker 1: price on it. A thousand dollars. No, this is I
Speaker 1: can hear the hr Lemmons coming in. You know, they're
Speaker 1: kind of flaming on that. They don't listen. Nobody listen.
Speaker 1: They're not going to interfere here. I don't want it.
Speaker 1: We shouldn't bring it up. Two want to. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: do it for money. That's the wrong. If you did
Speaker 1: would you credits? Would you give some of the earnings
Speaker 1: to the other people that you'd be exposing the other
Speaker 1: bandmates writers label I was pretty low on the strawberry taste.
Speaker 1: Let's just say that Greg's not the only one from
Speaker 1: his band who has tape of Delaware. We don't want
Speaker 1: to do that out well, we would rather not because
Speaker 1: that seems unfair to Greg. But Mark, welcome back from vacation.
Speaker 1: Thanks you did one of your patent Sessler staycations, which
Speaker 1: I always imagine is just you walking through Los Angeles
Speaker 1: alleyways in broad daylight. That's just how I just picture
Speaker 1: every vacation for you. I kind of learned a lesson
Speaker 1: because I this vacation began on this Saturday after we
Speaker 1: wrapped up the draft. You don't start. You start the
Speaker 1: vacation where you wrap up. You kind of that Friday
Speaker 1: beforehand needs to be where the vacation starts. I I
Speaker 1: it was like an emergency vacation to get a breath
Speaker 1: of fresh air. And I stripped it of two functional days,
Speaker 1: so there was less wandering, There was very little ones
Speaker 1: So the whole time you just regretted that that, you know,
Speaker 1: the whole time, one day you know, even from like
Speaker 1: I've thought about, even from like Sunday, I was like, I,
Speaker 1: I planned this very poorly. I should have taken the
Speaker 1: following week where if if we wrap up a pot
Speaker 1: on Thursday or something. But sometimes, like you said, you
Speaker 1: just need the breath of fresh air. I think about
Speaker 1: sometimes because I always take the week after the super
Speaker 1: Bowl off and we don't get back on Monday afternoon,
Speaker 1: so you're running into the same thing. But sometimes it's
Speaker 1: just the right time. You just feel like that's a
Speaker 1: nice your super Bowl postable vacation is what compelled me
Speaker 1: to do it, And there is a plus side, but
Speaker 1: there was a lingering minus side in my head. Also
Speaker 1: always fun to take a walk up and the old
Speaker 1: cecil crane coming up on today's show. Offseason storylines to
Speaker 1: watch through the rest of the spring. Is it spring yet? Yes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's spring. That's may come on. I thought it was
Speaker 1: April still and then sometimes like when does it fall?
Speaker 1: But we're certainly in the spring now and um and
Speaker 1: through the summer, so we'll track um or kind of
Speaker 1: each share some storylines, not like season preview type storylines,
Speaker 1: more just things to keep an eye on as we
Speaker 1: you know, rookie Mini camps, um O, t A S,
Speaker 1: the mandatory mini camps, and then of course into standard
Speaker 1: training camp. What are some storylines to watch? But before that,
Speaker 1: by the way, this is why October beats May. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about it. Well. People always talking about the best month,
Speaker 1: and May is always a popular choice. But for a
Speaker 1: great portion of the country, May is a cruel tease
Speaker 1: comes in and you think it's gonna be beautiful when
Speaker 1: it's you know, if you're in Chicago. I was there
Speaker 1: for Draft weekend once and it was thirty something degrees. Wendy,
Speaker 1: come all up and down. Come on October. It's just
Speaker 1: beautiful just about everywhere in America. That was the Eddie
Speaker 1: White interview. If I'm not mistaken that you conducted during
Speaker 1: that draft Kevin White, excuse me, maybe I was. You
Speaker 1: were all in on Kevin White for like years after
Speaker 1: that interview. Yes, I was beguiled by Kevin White. There's
Speaker 1: got to be a hundred and fifty Eddie Whites and
Speaker 1: leave it to beaver character. Probably that's Eddie Haskell. Actually, um,
Speaker 1: all right, let's do some news. Okay, I'm waiting for
Speaker 1: this little star wars Cup told me and talking to
Speaker 1: me talking was talking handed the right. Come on, yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: this is you are our representative, our Game of Thrones
Speaker 1: fan in the room here. You speak to it. Speak
Speaker 1: to the shame of a Starbucks cup showing up in
Speaker 1: a scene of Game of Thrones, one of the you know,
Speaker 1: the hottest pop culture property on television, the whole world
Speaker 1: washing except for the rest of us in the room,
Speaker 1: and explain how you know, talk your way out of
Speaker 1: this one was well. I was told after our spoilers
Speaker 1: discussion that I am incredibly old, much older than you
Speaker 1: would think chronologically, and that I am totally removed from
Speaker 1: the cultural zeitgeist. This is an example. You have a
Speaker 1: television show with dragons. Yes, you have a television show
Speaker 1: with people uh sleeping with family members and they they
Speaker 1: supposedly allegedly have holy blood running through their bodies that
Speaker 1: allows them and the most was like a terrible show.
Speaker 1: The point at which their loyal viewers get upset is
Speaker 1: when they have a Starbucks cup, because now it's not
Speaker 1: believable anymore. You got pigons on your show. What do
Speaker 1: you mean it's not believable? That point and I saw
Speaker 1: that point, and I get that one What is the
Speaker 1: word anachronistic? What is it? It's an anachronism. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: that you gotta get that right. You gotta get those
Speaker 1: details right. You can't have a coffee chain from Seattle
Speaker 1: from the twentieth century founding. I had that job once,
Speaker 1: a continuity person on a set. Actually my title, because
Speaker 1: this was when they did not correctly realize that anyone
Speaker 1: could do the job. My title was script girl. You had.
Speaker 1: Your job was like to line up every single shot
Speaker 1: to make sure I mean that the title did not exist.
Speaker 1: Title came from a time when there was like two
Speaker 1: jobs on on a sixty person set, and one of
Speaker 1: them for women, and one was called script. But I
Speaker 1: jumped into this with no experience. But it was that
Speaker 1: kind of thing where it was like if a pebble
Speaker 1: was out of place or someone had their tongue out,
Speaker 1: then they did and you had to like control eighty
Speaker 1: wild people and it was like an absolute nightmare. Let
Speaker 1: me say this a little more forcefully on the episode
Speaker 1: after the episode in which the opposition had a practically
Speaker 1: thousand to one advantage in manpower, especially because they were
Speaker 1: undead and they came back immediately from being dead. The
Speaker 1: next show is when the Starbucks cup happens, and that's
Speaker 1: when everybody gets interrupted. Wait do you enjoy this show?
Speaker 1: I do? I just like there are certain parts of
Speaker 1: it that you really have to try hard to suspend
Speaker 1: your disbelief, especially if you're not used to watching undead
Speaker 1: and draggings. So like the the Starbucks cup really, to
Speaker 1: me is a little law revial magnetic level of nerds
Speaker 1: watching this show, but a coffee cup of coffee cup local.
Speaker 1: They do support the locals. All right, let's get into
Speaker 1: the news, good pop culture talk. Sebastian Joanna Casti. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about some retirements, and we did last week, and
Speaker 1: if you missed it, go back and listen because it
Speaker 1: holds up beautifully. UM, Mark, Patrick Claibon, If this is okay,
Speaker 1: Claibon and Colleen, we're sitting in your chair for Around
Speaker 1: the a f C and Around the NFC and forty
Speaker 1: eight minute episodes, um, and check it out. But what
Speaker 1: it what it caused us to do, is not hit
Speaker 1: any news. So I missed little nugs like some retirements,
Speaker 1: Like Sebastian Janikowski, is that okay that they set nature?
Speaker 1: I mean I I would normally feel like a huge
Speaker 1: disturbance in the air if someone were outshining me in
Speaker 1: that position. I didn't feel anything, but I think I
Speaker 1: just was generally unplugged. But I did see that they
Speaker 1: both performed. People loved them. So what can I tell you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. No, but you're okay with them actually
Speaker 1: using your chair? I mean this is yes, this chair
Speaker 1: is used by Damnisheks people too, So okay, here we go.
Speaker 1: Sea Bass is done after nineteen seasons in the NFL,
Speaker 1: the former Raiders and Seahawks kicker calling it quits. Oh, yes,
Speaker 1: this is I asked for m retirement music. This is
Speaker 1: this works so that he goes off into retirement after
Speaker 1: nineteen years. It was nineteen years to the day when
Speaker 1: he was drafted in the first round of the two
Speaker 1: NFL Draft. It was a good run, forty year old
Speaker 1: told the ESPN. I still think of the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: It still hurts god who even remembers that Super Bowl
Speaker 1: so long ago. But the Raiders a long long time ago.
Speaker 1: In the two thousand two season, I believe or three
Speaker 1: season two season went to the Super Bowl and got
Speaker 1: creamed by John Gruden and the Bucks in a game
Speaker 1: that famously Um, the Bucks with Gruden knew all of
Speaker 1: the Raiders play calls as history has it, and the
Speaker 1: m v P of the season, Rich Gannon had a
Speaker 1: miserable day in part because the head coach of the Raiders,
Speaker 1: who was Bill Callahan. Bill Callahan and staff didn't quite
Speaker 1: prep for the fact that Gruden had built that team
Speaker 1: that he was facing at the super Bowl. That's a
Speaker 1: little aside of the little NFL history jaunt. But coming
Speaker 1: back to Sea Bass, it's over west first round kicker.
Speaker 1: Will that ever happen again? Hasn't happened since? Uh? I
Speaker 1: predict it will happen at some point. Really yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean we we're just a couple of years away from
Speaker 1: having a second round kicker. Um. And that guy wasn't
Speaker 1: even as great of a prospect as Sea Bass was
Speaker 1: coming out of and that was a um, you know,
Speaker 1: public and a bigger disgrace slash disaster as you can imagine.
Speaker 1: I feel like that would scare people away from ever
Speaker 1: touching even the second round. But I feel like that
Speaker 1: the level of prospect that Roberto Aguayo was, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be somebody who's like twice as good of a prospect,
Speaker 1: say some left foot or who kicks him from seventy
Speaker 1: pretty regularly, Like I think that might happen in the future.
Speaker 1: I also want to say Sea Bass has gotten a
Speaker 1: lot of love on this show and from people on
Speaker 1: Twitter for the last few years. Not even the best
Speaker 1: left footed kicker of his era, David Akers, deserved a
Speaker 1: lot more love than Sea Bass. I guess Sea Bass
Speaker 1: was kind of a uh. He had some off the
Speaker 1: field issues earlier in his career, but in terms of
Speaker 1: an entertaining on field character of the big beer belly
Speaker 1: was huge. He was on the Raiders, had the biggest leg,
Speaker 1: the nickname. He hit a sixty three yarder, of course,
Speaker 1: which at the time had tied an NFL record. He
Speaker 1: was c best. You had all that as part of
Speaker 1: the package. Well. I think also the throwback angle. I
Speaker 1: think people actually pictured him in their minds smoking cigarettes
Speaker 1: on the sidelines before he was about the great. I
Speaker 1: think it's also like his body type. He was just
Speaker 1: this massive dude. I it for to get picked in
Speaker 1: the first round as a kicker, it seems like you'd
Speaker 1: have to have someone like Al Davis on the other
Speaker 1: end pulling the trigger because you're gonna get absolutely a
Speaker 1: sassy run office. But he ended up he has the
Speaker 1: most fifth fifty plus the yard kicks of all time,
Speaker 1: so you think of him as a big kick. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: you look at the rest of that first round. Of course,
Speaker 1: he was the last guy left in that draft other
Speaker 1: than Tom Brady. It's like he was one of the
Speaker 1: ten best players in that first round for sure. So
Speaker 1: I get like position and you should you shouldn't draft
Speaker 1: a kicker in the first round. But people get so
Speaker 1: caught up, like mocking the Lions because they took a
Speaker 1: tight end to eight. It's like the position scarcity. And
Speaker 1: in the end, he was a better pick than a
Speaker 1: ton of other picks. And if you knew York kicker
Speaker 1: was going to play at a high level for sixteen years,
Speaker 1: would you take him in the first round and just
Speaker 1: sit back and be like, I know it's gonna get
Speaker 1: some bad years that I probably wouldn't know. I would
Speaker 1: not take a kicker in the first um. Also ending
Speaker 1: his career's Jamal Charles. Charles signed a one year, one
Speaker 1: day contract with the Chiefs and retired the team announced
Speaker 1: last Wednesday. Thirty two years old, enter the league in
Speaker 1: two thousand eight out of Texas and from two thousand
Speaker 1: eight to two thousand sixteen was just an absolute stud,
Speaker 1: one of the best players in football. He's the Chiefs
Speaker 1: all time, leading Russia over seven thousand yards five one
Speaker 1: thousand yard season. I believe he tour his A c
Speaker 1: L week one of was it was in the end
Speaker 1: he would never have been the same guy after that.
Speaker 1: He bounced around a little bit in the end. Uh
Speaker 1: so sad that things that ended up the way they
Speaker 1: did because he um Mark was on a Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame trajectory before that A c L tear. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think now that you'd have to look at him just
Speaker 1: from the way the Hall of Fame works with numbers,
Speaker 1: you still have Frank Gore and Adrian Peterson about to
Speaker 1: end their career soon. To me, he's what, he's fifty
Speaker 1: six and rushing. I think he is a hard time
Speaker 1: making the Hall of Fame, but based on the fact
Speaker 1: that like he's no, I mean, he's closer well the
Speaker 1: ring of I don't know what ring of honor means anymore,
Speaker 1: because it feels like every time I turn around, someone's
Speaker 1: being thrown into a ring of certainly with Kansas City
Speaker 1: at no I mean, but just in general, it seems
Speaker 1: like if you played on the same team for six
Speaker 1: plus years, you're you're tossed in the Ring of honor. Well,
Speaker 1: because he didn't have that many carries after that injury.
Speaker 1: He is the all time leader of of tailbacks, really
Speaker 1: running backs in yards per carry, which is an amazing
Speaker 1: stat that he's going to go down. There are a
Speaker 1: few quarterbacks ahead of him, Cunnying, Hammon and Vic and
Speaker 1: Marion Motley is ahead of him, and he was technically
Speaker 1: a fullback. So I don't know if you give it
Speaker 1: to Jamal Charles or not, but that's still pretty incredible
Speaker 1: that year after year after year he was five three,
Speaker 1: six point four, six point nine. I mean he kind
Speaker 1: of turned that. You here, track guy. He was a
Speaker 1: track guy and he's one of the like he changed
Speaker 1: track guy from being a dirty word. He made it.
Speaker 1: He made it work. Speaking of Chiefs Ring of Honor,
Speaker 1: Derek Johnson also signed or is signing a one day
Speaker 1: contract this week and will retire. UH thirty six years old,
Speaker 1: entered the league in two thousand five as a first
Speaker 1: round pick. UH and played a long career in Kansas City.
Speaker 1: Finishes as the Chiefs all time leader and tackles, added
Speaker 1: fourteen interceptions, twenty seven and a half sacks, First team
Speaker 1: All Pro selection two thousand ten, and a four time
Speaker 1: Pro bowler. A nice career. I think he was one
Speaker 1: of the first of those guys who ruptured through Achilles
Speaker 1: but then came back to play anyway. Halfway through his
Speaker 1: career is about when the Achilles technology got a lot
Speaker 1: better in the medical world. But that two thousand and
Speaker 1: eight draft class for running backs, it's interesting to see
Speaker 1: Chris Johnson recently officially retired, Jamal Charles matt Forte retired
Speaker 1: last year, Jonathan Stewart retired this year, McFadden retired last year,
Speaker 1: all from that same draft class. Good class. I saw
Speaker 1: McFadden last week getting out of a Jaguar uh in
Speaker 1: Larchmont Village. How about that better career? And I thought
Speaker 1: of texting West at the time, just because he loved
Speaker 1: Darren McFadden so much, but it was it was just like,
Speaker 1: what's really the payoff with this text. I saw Darren
Speaker 1: McFadden at the first Veterans combine, remember the short run
Speaker 1: Veterans Combine, and he basically went through the whole rigamarrale
Speaker 1: and he basically asked the reporter what was my like
Speaker 1: forty time and they told me, go, I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not going to make any team and he just walked away. Wow,
Speaker 1: could we post pause and go back to Greg? Do
Speaker 1: you put that much thought into a text to a friend?
Speaker 1: I mean, this was I'll just like, if something comes
Speaker 1: to my mind, I'll just fire it off and it
Speaker 1: doesn't even need to reply. So you actually processed whether
Speaker 1: it would be worth it for West to look at it.
Speaker 1: It was just a nice thing to do. I mean
Speaker 1: it was like a two second thought and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm You're walking down and I think I was about
Speaker 1: to like cross the street to so you don't want
Speaker 1: to be like crossing and Texans just like at the moment,
Speaker 1: would you have liked to get that text list? I
Speaker 1: would put it this way, if I truly was a
Speaker 1: big Darren mcfahann fan, it would be a nice text. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: it's sort of it would be sort of needling West,
Speaker 1: like of a decades old thing of like you love
Speaker 1: Darren McFadden. The assessment that I like Darren mcfahn just
Speaker 1: because I have claimed unseparate times that he's not a
Speaker 1: joke of a football player. I mean, let's know, you
Speaker 1: did like him during his Cowboys run, as I recall,
Speaker 1: I defended him from people who thought he was washed
Speaker 1: up when he could clearly still play. All right, let's
Speaker 1: move on, happy trails to all those players. UM, let's
Speaker 1: check with the Raiders. A few things to go through here. First,
Speaker 1: Richie Incognito, remember him? Somebody on Twitter called this uh
Speaker 1: potential for headlock west Uh the guard controversial guard spent
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen out of football, he said, multiple off
Speaker 1: field altercations. There's a mental health facility stay. Something happened
Speaker 1: in a funeral home, which you know, always a red
Speaker 1: flag when crazy stuff goes on in the funeral home. Anyway,
Speaker 1: micro raph flow uh garre folo excuse me, reported that
Speaker 1: Incognito is in shape, feeling well in all aspects, and
Speaker 1: the Raiders are gonna work out Incognito. The Raiders obviously
Speaker 1: need help. Uh and the left guard position, Greg, I mean,
Speaker 1: is this gonna happen but the Raiders nothing? You never know?
Speaker 1: I mean, I at this point, I would assume it
Speaker 1: is happening. It just seems so Raider z and and
Speaker 1: it's funny because John Gruden, like earlier this Week just
Speaker 1: was clearly annoyed and was saying that left guard spot
Speaker 1: is wide open. No one really stepped out, Like he's
Speaker 1: already getting annoyed that no one stepped up for the
Speaker 1: left guard style. It's like May three and you can
Speaker 1: almost like imagine him walking into Mayox office or or
Speaker 1: Mark Davis or however it works to be like, all right,
Speaker 1: enough for this and waiting around with Incognito, Let's just
Speaker 1: do it. Why are you Why are you drafting a
Speaker 1: guy at number four because of character? Right? And yet
Speaker 1: you trade for Antonio Brown, signed Von test Perfect and
Speaker 1: work out Richie Incognito. Why is character so important to
Speaker 1: you just for your draft picks but not You're all
Speaker 1: got to balance it out. I guess I mean about guy,
Speaker 1: I gotta have a super good guy. Well they're not
Speaker 1: admitting to the bad guys side of it, but they
Speaker 1: talk about the rookies is like their core future building.
Speaker 1: But apparently you're allowed to lace that core with some
Speaker 1: bad apps. So yeah, I mean straight up human poison. Well,
Speaker 1: it might be like there's different people in charge of
Speaker 1: different things. You know, my yak, it's his draft, but
Speaker 1: I don't know see the one signing Ritchie Incognito, who
Speaker 1: knows um Isaiah crow L spent last year with the Jets,
Speaker 1: had his moments signed with the Raiders, was going to
Speaker 1: be in the mix. Well not anymore. Last week he
Speaker 1: suffered a torn achilles and the Raiders place him on
Speaker 1: injured reserve. Because of that, a couple of dominoes fell.
Speaker 1: Marshawn Lynch popped up and said, Hey, I'll come back.
Speaker 1: You want me back, you know Beast Mode, and I
Speaker 1: you know, I have to say I would not have
Speaker 1: a problem with that, but we are not doing a
Speaker 1: third Beast Mode retrospective on this podcast. I'm with you.
Speaker 1: Did we do one a few weeks ago, we did
Speaker 1: one on the Twitter Show, we did one at the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Well, actually we've done three already in this
Speaker 1: In this case, it sounds like it wasn't his fault.
Speaker 1: It was reported that that he was not in the
Speaker 1: plans and that he's headed to retirement, but it sounds
Speaker 1: like he didn't know that. You know, he sounds like
Speaker 1: he fully wants to play his mom you know, immediately
Speaker 1: when that report came up, was like, what he wants
Speaker 1: to play? But it sounds like he's done. This man
Speaker 1: retired before I had cancer, What do we do the Raiders?
Speaker 1: For what it's worth, it did act and replace Correl
Speaker 1: with the roster on the roster with Doug Martin. They
Speaker 1: resigned Martin, who ran for over seven hundred yards and
Speaker 1: ran for over four yards to carry over sixteen games,
Speaker 1: including nine starts with Oakland last year. They looked ready
Speaker 1: to move on from Martin and of course signed the
Speaker 1: first um drafted first round rookie Josh Jacobs. Already have
Speaker 1: DeAndre Washington Chris Warren, but now they need some depths,
Speaker 1: so Martin rejoins the frame. Maybe this actually Doug Barton
Speaker 1: just taking a job because you've got to get a job.
Speaker 1: Probably would be better off hanging out on the wire
Speaker 1: a little bit longer, but I guess you can't turn
Speaker 1: down work. They have a lot of people. This is
Speaker 1: the team that cuts C. J. Anderson after less than
Speaker 1: a week last year before he went on to do
Speaker 1: what he did with the Rams. And it was Gruden
Speaker 1: who was talking endlessly about Chris Warren at the combine,
Speaker 1: as if maybe Chris Warren was going to be promoted
Speaker 1: and take over some sort of spot. Then they draft
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs and signed Doug Martin so Full. Finally, Ronald Ali,
Speaker 1: who was featured on Last Chance You, that Netflix show
Speaker 1: that Greg, I know you're quite a big fan of Uh.
Speaker 1: He has signed or earned a try out with the
Speaker 1: Oakland Raiders. He signed, excuse me, with the Raiders try
Speaker 1: try out, so he got a chance to try out
Speaker 1: with the team. Uh, Greg, I know you are excited
Speaker 1: talk about this. Ronald Allie is maybe my favorite character.
Speaker 1: I've watched season one and three and I didn't watch
Speaker 1: it until fairly recently. It's an amazing show, and he's
Speaker 1: an amazing character in the show and just person he's
Speaker 1: He's like a very likable guy. He lost his parents,
Speaker 1: his dad killed his mom and then killed himself when
Speaker 1: when Ronald Lalley was five years old, and and the
Speaker 1: life trials that so many of the guys on the
Speaker 1: show have to go through to get to the point,
Speaker 1: which is just the longest of longest of long shots. UH,
Speaker 1: is fascinating to watch. And just his if you guys
Speaker 1: do watch the first season. Ever, like his personality and
Speaker 1: just everything about him is really unique. UH. And it's
Speaker 1: really cool because he was uneven getting going to the
Speaker 1: draft process. He was a huge long shot he was,
Speaker 1: you know, he's at Nickels State. Uh so it's cool
Speaker 1: to see. Maybe you'll make it very cool. So you
Speaker 1: would hardly endorse that program. Why did you? It's a
Speaker 1: bit extra to watch season one blank on season two
Speaker 1: and then watch season Well, it's a lot of it's
Speaker 1: it's there long and I heard that this, and maybe
Speaker 1: fans of the show could tell me I'm wrong that
Speaker 1: they were a little aware of the cameras going into
Speaker 1: season two because they did two seasons at one college
Speaker 1: and then they went to a new one for the
Speaker 1: third season, and so I just got some bad feedback
Speaker 1: on it. And plus it's like six hours to It's
Speaker 1: kind of like of the Wire corollary there bands of
Speaker 1: that show and people are always very late to the wire,
Speaker 1: the HBO show and said, oh, you know, should I
Speaker 1: watch it? And people would say absolutely, watch season one.
Speaker 1: It skipped season two because that's when they went to
Speaker 1: the docks, and the Docks season was a little weird
Speaker 1: and not necessarily all of part of the same adventure
Speaker 1: or story, and that season three they get back on track.
Speaker 1: That's that's the kind I think adventure. There is a connection,
Speaker 1: but I think time has first of all you do
Speaker 1: miss that. I think that was a Keith Hansas line.
Speaker 1: Good adventure this episode. I think time has proven season
Speaker 1: two underrated. Really yeah, I'm not than on this one.
Speaker 1: Enough of going to the docks with that jerkof sun
Speaker 1: every day. Let's move on to Top Bears. I invented that, uh,
Speaker 1: the Bears are looking for a replacement for Cody Parkey, who,
Speaker 1: of course infamously in Chicago. They'll go down in Chicago
Speaker 1: Lore as Mr Double Doink in the playoffs cost them
Speaker 1: against the Eagles, then went on The Today Show and
Speaker 1: then got cut anyway, So on Friday, UM at three
Speaker 1: day Rookie Minicamp, Matt Naggi had the you know, on
Speaker 1: the surface, a good idea, but I'm not sure what
Speaker 1: the payoff was either way. But he decided to take
Speaker 1: all eight kickers at the rookie Minicamp and set them
Speaker 1: up on a forty three yard field goal entire in
Speaker 1: front of the entire Rookie Minicamp roster at the end
Speaker 1: of practice, and Um said, do what the old kicker couldn't.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was gonna rub a little salt and Parky's
Speaker 1: wounds if they hit all eight and then that news
Speaker 1: item goes out there, but instead the kickers missed six
Speaker 1: of eight. Says that's not it enough. Now, I will
Speaker 1: say this, we always look at the end result of
Speaker 1: what happens, which is what matters, right, But as we're
Speaker 1: learning two of those eight holes and snaps, it wasn't
Speaker 1: all right. I'll leave it at that. So that blew
Speaker 1: up in Naggi's face a little bit. Hill Parcels Adam
Speaker 1: Venitarry talks about at the beginning of his career. Venytarry
Speaker 1: will be setting up for a kick in practice and
Speaker 1: Parcels would walk across his spot and do a whammy
Speaker 1: before he kicked, because if you can't handle the pressure
Speaker 1: in a practice, like when are you going to do
Speaker 1: in the game the kick. The kick was also you know,
Speaker 1: slightly blocked, so it was that part of the yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, yeah, he said. He was trying to like,
Speaker 1: you know, some teams are like we're moving on from
Speaker 1: the past. He was like, I wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: the elephant in the room, but that's a that's us
Speaker 1: all right, please we got some I got something else
Speaker 1: going on here. What the Bears have acquired Eddie Pinero
Speaker 1: from the Raiders We've got a trade breaking news. That's
Speaker 1: a kicker trade, and it's involving the Chicago Bears. They
Speaker 1: didn't like what they saw at the try out. They're
Speaker 1: giving up an aditional seventh round pick to the Raiders.
Speaker 1: He has to be on the roster five games, doesn't Eddie?
Speaker 1: Welcome to town. Pangero won that job for the Raiders
Speaker 1: last year. Coming out of camp. He beat out Georgio
Speaker 1: to Vecchio and he beat out Nuge and then he
Speaker 1: tore his groin like right, beatid. They just they still
Speaker 1: gotta caepe eight kickers there. They there's only two other
Speaker 1: kickers under contract, and one of them is a guy
Speaker 1: named Chris Blewett. I just don't think Chris Blue should
Speaker 1: be on the Bears roster. It's so offense. It just
Speaker 1: seems like you're inviting something. You need to change that
Speaker 1: name if you're going to be a kicker that is
Speaker 1: in the poorly matched uh last Name Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: along with former Tampa Bay Rays reliever Grant Ball four
Speaker 1: pop Walk. It would be funny like all Bears Blewett,
Speaker 1: no man just become Chris with no last name. That
Speaker 1: would that would become a media thing in a good way.
Speaker 1: What if the Bears symbol like a prince symbol, if
Speaker 1: like Matt, Naggie becomes upset like all their moves are
Speaker 1: regarding kickers, like all the news coming out of the
Speaker 1: airs his kicker relating that so far, that's kind of
Speaker 1: the trend right now. Yeah, I don't know why Naggie
Speaker 1: did that, By the way, that was weird. Let's move like.
Speaker 1: It's like they asked him questions about other positions that
Speaker 1: he just keeps talking about. Uh, Gerald McCoy, let's talk
Speaker 1: about him. The Buck's defensive tackle clearly on the trade block.
Speaker 1: Um has not gotten any voted competence from Bruce Arians.
Speaker 1: He stayed away from offseason workouts, but the six time
Speaker 1: Pro bowler nine years into a career, he's heard enough
Speaker 1: of the negative comments around him. He used Sunday to
Speaker 1: speak out during a workout via an Instagram story. That's
Speaker 1: how things operate, guys, uh to prove his dedication to
Speaker 1: his craft. Sinco de Mayo. Everybody out probably getting ready
Speaker 1: to drink, probably drinking right now. No matter you want
Speaker 1: to question me, see what I do on Sinco de Mayo.
Speaker 1: I work, I work, and I've got my kids with me.
Speaker 1: How many people doing that? All pro on and off
Speaker 1: the field. You want to question me? Is he gonna
Speaker 1: be ready? Does he love football? What? Y'all crazy? Lost?
Speaker 1: Y'all mind I work? Don't you ever question me? That's
Speaker 1: a great rant. I mean that was just like one
Speaker 1: little segment of it. When they when they show it
Speaker 1: on NFL Network because they're showing the Instagram story, you
Speaker 1: can see it was one of like thirteen straight Instagram
Speaker 1: story which is also like, Eric, can you do that sometimes?
Speaker 1: Like where it's just it's a NonStop video that you're
Speaker 1: cutting up by fifteen seconds, you know, but it's like
Speaker 1: a three minute essentially essentially a three minute Videon't that
Speaker 1: kind of cheating? I'm kind of annoying. I think it
Speaker 1: could be annoying. Um, I've never done a three minute
Speaker 1: maybe not three minute. It was like two videos. It
Speaker 1: was like twice. It's like twelve. But I mean, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you open up a story, you see it, you're seeing okay,
Speaker 1: you're seeing Instagram cuts it up nicely for you. Sure,
Speaker 1: I'm saying if you open up the McCoy one and
Speaker 1: the rant starts, you see that there's fourteen more stories
Speaker 1: to go in that twenty four hours. Yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: need too many. Yeah, it's stupid like that, you're just
Speaker 1: gonna turn it off. Moving on, Miles Garrett, the m
Speaker 1: star defensive end for the Cleveland Browns, did a feature
Speaker 1: with Dan Pompey for Bleacher Report and he said that
Speaker 1: his former defensive coordinator, Greg Williams, now the defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: of the Jets, um he had a negative effect on
Speaker 1: him because he wouldn't let him do what he wanted
Speaker 1: to do on the field. Here's the quote from Garrett
Speaker 1: to POMPEII. I hopefully have more freedom to be the
Speaker 1: player I want to be. Greg was more like, you
Speaker 1: win with these two moves. I don't want to see
Speaker 1: anything else out of you. It's kind of hard with
Speaker 1: two moves. I feel like you can't always be so predictable. Uh.
Speaker 1: For the record, Garrett at thirteen and a half sacks
Speaker 1: last year and went to the Pro Bowl, So I
Speaker 1: guess he'll have twenty three and a half sex this year,
Speaker 1: be all pro. So you're saying that Greg Williams thought
Speaker 1: he I knew what was better than someone who's one
Speaker 1: of the best in the world. That doing something like
Speaker 1: that doesn't surprise me at all. Please the ego on
Speaker 1: this guy. I mean that I'm usually pro Greg Williams,
Speaker 1: but it's like, maybe you should listen to the person
Speaker 1: that's like a genius essentially at that skill set. Why
Speaker 1: are you usually pro Greg? I mean, I'm in this room.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like I don't think, like he's not
Speaker 1: the worst coach in the world. I'd normally like to
Speaker 1: say I'd like to hear the other person's side of it,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if I need to hear Greg Williams.
Speaker 1: There's the other side of it too. Is like like
Speaker 1: Myles Garrett, so the defensive coach said that you could
Speaker 1: only use two moves, So there were games where you
Speaker 1: thought you could have more sacks, but you said, no,
Speaker 1: coach that I can only use these two moves. I'm
Speaker 1: calling BS on this. I hope he's I hope this
Speaker 1: isn't true, Like he would only do two moves because
Speaker 1: coach said he couldn't do other moves. This just seems
Speaker 1: unnecessary to be honest with Adam Gates. Is gonna be
Speaker 1: using more than two moves on Greg and Williams by
Speaker 1: November headlock Gate. But there's there is I I looked
Speaker 1: into this. There's history between these two guys. Myles Garrett
Speaker 1: went after the Brown's game plan after a loss to
Speaker 1: the Steelers last year, and Greg Williams fired back via
Speaker 1: the press. They have had heard me say that over
Speaker 1: a hundred times here. You can't take responsibility. Just blame me.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with it, which is pretty passive aggressive dig
Speaker 1: back at his star player. Just leave it in the past.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think our Greg's point with Greg Williams
Speaker 1: has often been that you have he has a shelf life.
Speaker 1: And that is true in Cleveland and it will be
Speaker 1: true with the Jets. It's hard to imagine a person
Speaker 1: with a poet soul not getting along great with Greg Williams.
Speaker 1: And and um my point, you might not like this
Speaker 1: one Mark. A lot of guys like to talk on Brown's.
Speaker 1: I noticed that you had that. Garrett doesn't at all.
Speaker 1: Files Garrett does not the outside of this. That's why
Speaker 1: it surprised me because he has said nothing almost negative
Speaker 1: at all is his career. All I'm saying is, since
Speaker 1: we're talking about this, he publicly called out his coaches
Speaker 1: game plan at a game last year, and then in
Speaker 1: minicamp went out of his way to take a shot
Speaker 1: at so he like, he'll talk to the meeting about
Speaker 1: things he's unhappy with. And there are multiple players on
Speaker 1: the Browns that will talk. And if this thing goes sideways,
Speaker 1: there's some guys that talk. That's all it's It's one
Speaker 1: thing is they were destroyed by everyone for legitimately sucking
Speaker 1: and not getting out of their own way. They look
Speaker 1: like they've set the table nicely, and if they suck
Speaker 1: again after all this hooplah, they are going to be
Speaker 1: denigrated and scattered by people. If they go five and eleven,
Speaker 1: people are not gonna end with their with their fun.
Speaker 1: And I can see it is a concern. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, they have a quarterback, which what did
Speaker 1: you say you saw something on Twitter? No, I noticed
Speaker 1: that you had like a post or it was a
Speaker 1: mail bag? Wasn't a mail bag? I think about Brown's
Speaker 1: the Browns being the off season story. It's a very
Speaker 1: fair point that they have been boused with all this praise.
Speaker 1: They've done nothing on the mail bag. Someone asked me
Speaker 1: if the mail people were getting too excited about the
Speaker 1: brown and for the record, Mark I completely said yes,
Speaker 1: keep that in mind. But this team is so talented
Speaker 1: that I believe this is a you know, playoff team.
Speaker 1: I think you know that, I sighed. I believe idea
Speaker 1: of chill out until you have won games. Like I'm
Speaker 1: not walking around like spinning scarfs and throwing hats and
Speaker 1: like kicking sverre just brown scarfs, you know. Finally, in
Speaker 1: the news, the bills that are trying to kurt tail
Speaker 1: tailgate antics with new policy. That's the headline at NFL
Speaker 1: dot com. I put my own headline in our rundown
Speaker 1: for the show today. Bills attempting to price out louts
Speaker 1: and loose women at tailgate. Now, how are they going
Speaker 1: to do it? The team is creating a quote tailgate Village,
Speaker 1: which will charge a twenty person vehicle three hundred dollars
Speaker 1: vehicle five dollars, and nine hundred dollars for sixty people vehicle.
Speaker 1: The charge breaks down to about fifteen bucks per person
Speaker 1: from fans that want to tailgate in the designated area.
Speaker 1: Busses or limos with passengers who do not want to
Speaker 1: tailgate will be charged one hundred dollars departs. So basically,
Speaker 1: they're trying to get rid of people that are showing
Speaker 1: at the game. You know, they're just, oh, we're not
Speaker 1: going to the game. We're not here for anything else
Speaker 1: but to get smashed, get destroyed, get go viral. And
Speaker 1: if they raise the prices, they will send these degenerates
Speaker 1: somewhere else on their Sunday morning. That's the goal. Now,
Speaker 1: whether or not it works, we'll find out. The riff
Speaker 1: raff usually has a penchant for sticking around money. Pricing
Speaker 1: out riff raff, I think works sometimes, and that's what
Speaker 1: they're going for. Just make it too expensive for them.
Speaker 1: That were they id pre identifying loose women in louts
Speaker 1: before they enter the stadium. They're in, they lose them
Speaker 1: that they have no they lose covering. I feel like
Speaker 1: that's a large chunk of their stadium crowds. So they
Speaker 1: should be somewhat careful with this, but I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: and don't they're not. It's also only fifteen dollars per
Speaker 1: person to get in and I don't know though the
Speaker 1: whole This is one of the parts of the Bills
Speaker 1: you know experience from AFAR that I have enjoyed. They
Speaker 1: hated the Bills organization. And there's quotes in the story
Speaker 1: if you want to read Kevin Patrick's post, and we've
Speaker 1: heard it, even in a joking way. When we got
Speaker 1: the owners meetings, I brought it up to Sean McDermott
Speaker 1: and you could tell not that it struck a chord
Speaker 1: of them, but it was the idea of no, we don't.
Speaker 1: They don't like this idea. We're known. One of the
Speaker 1: things the Bills as a team are most famous for
Speaker 1: in the last ten years is their unruly fans, not
Speaker 1: the football product, not their success or failures. What's going
Speaker 1: on in the parking that they don't like that we
Speaker 1: do as fans. But if I like, if I was,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's better than everyone's talking about, like the
Speaker 1: Buddy Nicks, you know, era Shan Gaily Like, Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: remember Doug Whaley. That was terrible, buddy. And that's what's
Speaker 1: happening in the news. Hey guys. Wedding time, Chris Westling,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, holy goodness, it is May six as
Speaker 1: we take this, you're getting married one. It is coming
Speaker 1: like a freight train. And guess what freight train. I
Speaker 1: would not go near. No, especially with the gun step
Speaker 1: in front of um. We should get extra for that. Anyway.
Speaker 1: The Black tuxs dot Com that's where you go to
Speaker 1: get it. Um, you know Greg, myself, Mark, all groomsmen
Speaker 1: in West's wedding, what an honor. And we are all
Speaker 1: using the black Tucks as is the groom right mine
Speaker 1: arrived today. Unbelievable. We all have our black Tucks dot
Speaker 1: Com tuxedos. Uh so we are ready to go. And
Speaker 1: and that's a big moment. Mark. I know you said
Speaker 1: you've slowed down with your Instagram output. But the big
Speaker 1: who is going to put the first photo of the
Speaker 1: four heroes and Tucks together on Instagram? It's something to watch.
Speaker 1: What's gonna happen on the Graham. I mean, it's got
Speaker 1: to be West has his choice of how he wants
Speaker 1: the media to run that day. He'll be busy though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nobody needs a green light from me to post about
Speaker 1: my wedding on the various social media outlets. I give
Speaker 1: that that company's and props when it showed up in
Speaker 1: my house, the preordered Tucks, the box itself, you open
Speaker 1: it up, the whole thing has been kept very back,
Speaker 1: the whole the whole thing. What a package and as
Speaker 1: convenient as can be. You wear the Tucks and then
Speaker 1: after the wedding they give you seventy two hour grace period.
Speaker 1: Just put it back in the box and send it
Speaker 1: to us. Well, we'll take care of everything. It will
Speaker 1: not return in its um pristine form. I suggest or prediction,
Speaker 1: sweat soaked, one less start. Thank someone from the home
Speaker 1: office is like marking down Mark's name. I was like,
Speaker 1: let's watch out for any paraphernalio with this Sessler. I
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Speaker 1: Code around for twenty dollars off your purchase. The black
Speaker 1: Tuxet's coming West? What timing? Did they know the weddings coming?
Speaker 1: They should just be hammering these ads the next couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. I agree. All right, now, let's get to it.
Speaker 1: Offseason storylines to watch through the spring in summer. UM
Speaker 1: will go around the horn here, uh, and you guys
Speaker 1: throwing out there that, uh, I guess what we're looking
Speaker 1: for here is a storyline that you know will shape
Speaker 1: the season in a lot of ways for that team
Speaker 1: or the division or the conference. Um so West, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna mix it up. I don't nice. I'm gonna start
Speaker 1: with you well, our very own Brian Budinger recently said
Speaker 1: that Daniel Jones, drafted by the Giants at number six overall,
Speaker 1: is one of the best athletes ever to play the
Speaker 1: quarterback position in New York. Ran a four sixty, tested
Speaker 1: very well, drafted six overall. I want to see this
Speaker 1: offseason if there's a lot right Vio Magnifico. If this
Speaker 1: guy is clearly better than Eli Manning in practices, a
Speaker 1: guy who's been one of the worst quarterbacks in the
Speaker 1: NFL for the last three years. If this guy is
Speaker 1: clearly better than Eli, he should play Week one, and
Speaker 1: Giants fans should be demanding it. If he's not clearly
Speaker 1: better than one of the guys who's been the worst
Speaker 1: quarterback in the end of one of the worst quarterback
Speaker 1: in the NFL, then the Giants are in trouble because
Speaker 1: they drafted a bust. If this guy is such a
Speaker 1: good athlete, we should see right away whether he's better
Speaker 1: than Eli Manning or not. I just will will Schermer
Speaker 1: and get him and make the same mistake Hugh Jackson
Speaker 1: did last year, ultimately maybe costing his team the playoffs
Speaker 1: because just out of some beholden to some philosophy that
Speaker 1: he has to see be under fire. Though for any chance,
Speaker 1: you would think just because picking up the offense and
Speaker 1: reading defense, and just because I mean we've seen Eli
Speaker 1: Manning's stature in that franchise. Normally you would say, yeah,
Speaker 1: the number six pick would have a chance, and that
Speaker 1: would be It's an interesting topic to even bring up,
Speaker 1: because I haven't even thought of Daniel Jones is a
Speaker 1: potential Week one starter. Normally would but it's because the
Speaker 1: odds are so stacked against him. He'd have to that
Speaker 1: Is that a no lose situation for the Giants? Though,
Speaker 1: If that kid shows up and plays out of his
Speaker 1: mind and looks incredible and looks like an athletic freak,
Speaker 1: even if they, out of deference to Eli, set him,
Speaker 1: it becomes just a matter of time and then maybe
Speaker 1: you have a real solution at the position. The worst
Speaker 1: case scenario, of course, if he looks lost, you know,
Speaker 1: and they get off on a bad foot with him through,
Speaker 1: it could have not Hackenburg level failure of potential. But
Speaker 1: you're nervous. You really do want him to show something.
Speaker 1: It's important. It is. It's like They went out of
Speaker 1: their way to draft someone who is already preordained as
Speaker 1: a student of the Mannings, so it already puts him
Speaker 1: in that if he's the understudy. We kind of get
Speaker 1: it because he's always been Eli's buddying it, but it
Speaker 1: maybe removes some of the ELI. We have to hold
Speaker 1: him up on a pedestal because the GM actually went
Speaker 1: and got a quarterback to compete with elive versus just
Speaker 1: answering questions about Elive verse the void. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: put it on Daniel Jones, though if it sounds like
Speaker 1: he did well all off season, looks so some good
Speaker 1: promise in the preseason, but he has no chance to
Speaker 1: start Week one because to me, that's that's not gonna
Speaker 1: that's not gonna be his fault. Why are we acting
Speaker 1: like it's two thousand two and not two thous quarterbacks
Speaker 1: drafted into top ten are expected to start. I guess
Speaker 1: it's because it's the Giants. Yeah. I think it's because
Speaker 1: it's the ELI thing with the Giants, which has been
Speaker 1: one of the weirdest situations going on, and it is.
Speaker 1: He said it's a no lose, but it's a continued
Speaker 1: to lose. You know they haven't been. They've been a
Speaker 1: losing team five out of six seasons. I think I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think the last time this happened. I know
Speaker 1: opinions very on Eli as a player, but within the
Speaker 1: New York Giants, he's a franchise legend that has all
Speaker 1: their statistical records and two Super Bowls. When's the last
Speaker 1: time a player got drafted a quarterback got drafted with
Speaker 1: a living icon still is the starting quarterback and immediately
Speaker 1: took over. I don't think it really happens. I mean,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is an example, but he waited three years,
Speaker 1: Like the Dolphins never went and got that guy when
Speaker 1: they had a fading Dan Marino. There what there aren't?
Speaker 1: There aren't. It's a good question, I mean because even
Speaker 1: Eli Eli sat behind Kurt Warner. They usually get rid
Speaker 1: of the veterans, so he's not forced to go a
Speaker 1: process like that. Usually there's yeah, like the veterans in decline.
Speaker 1: Maybe he gets hurt or gets unseated in the middle
Speaker 1: of the season. But Eli, of course, with the exception
Speaker 1: of one game, has played every game for the Giants
Speaker 1: for fifteen years. Yes, very interesting. West started off with
Speaker 1: West bats leadoff for the shield are three and one
Speaker 1: company softball team and um and again showing his ability
Speaker 1: to get on base rallies and score runs and just
Speaker 1: be a tone center like a Nick soon Zel. Oh,
Speaker 1: Nick Senzel, don't even get me started on Nickson's The
Speaker 1: whole world is everything that was dark as light again.
Speaker 1: Nick Senzels is here to turn the season around. It's
Speaker 1: a prospect for the Red or now a prospect. He's
Speaker 1: the best player on the team already. UM, all right, Greg,
Speaker 1: you're up. I'm gonna go with the Josh Gordon situation
Speaker 1: that I over the next few months want to see
Speaker 1: what the word is from the Ian Rappaports and the
Speaker 1: Mike Garrett Pholos of what is Oosh Gordon's potential status
Speaker 1: for the two thousand and nineteen season, because I think
Speaker 1: it's been a little overlooked. I just when when he
Speaker 1: was suspended, it was just like, Okay, that's it. It's
Speaker 1: his careers over again. We've said that a million times.
Speaker 1: And yet as it starts to get closer and he
Speaker 1: signed the restricted they had the restricted free agent tender,
Speaker 1: you get the sense that it's very much an open question.
Speaker 1: And that's something that I think I could learn in
Speaker 1: the in the summer leading into August that will absolutely
Speaker 1: change this Patriots team if he was brought back, whether
Speaker 1: they think it's going to be during the season or
Speaker 1: you know, for Week one or whatever, they would go
Speaker 1: from never having a big time, physical outside receiver, you know,
Speaker 1: almost throughout the Bill Belichick Garrett to suddenly having to
Speaker 1: having no tight ends and they've been a tight end
Speaker 1: heavy operation to one of the worst tight end rosters
Speaker 1: in the NFL. But then having to kill Harry and
Speaker 1: Josh Gordon on opposite size. It would just be a
Speaker 1: very different looking Patriots team. And I think, you know,
Speaker 1: his status is something that absolutely could be a a
Speaker 1: factor in the a f C race in general. We
Speaker 1: brought up Brian Baldinger a couple of minutes ago. I'd
Speaker 1: be curious to hear from a Baldy type, Um, how
Speaker 1: much Josh Road Uh, how much Josh Gordon's skills have eroded,
Speaker 1: if at all, in the last five years over the
Speaker 1: stops and starts of a career that's been dotted by
Speaker 1: substance abuse issues. Is he still a guy that you
Speaker 1: can get excited about as a guy that works on
Speaker 1: the outside and makes place. You know, he's had moments
Speaker 1: he was a top fifteen receiver in terms of yards
Speaker 1: for the stretch. Really after he kind of picked up
Speaker 1: the playbook until he was gone, he I thought he
Speaker 1: was a really solid he He isn't the same Josh Gordon,
Speaker 1: but he's an above an above average starter for sure.
Speaker 1: I don't worry about the physical side because even when
Speaker 1: he came back for you know, very quick periods with
Speaker 1: the Browns, he was dominant. But it's it's the idea
Speaker 1: that he's had multiple, you know, periods where he's been
Speaker 1: away an exodus for a year plus eight nine months.
Speaker 1: So here's a another one of those periods. You get
Speaker 1: him back, he signs that he signed all this stuff,
Speaker 1: he starts to play. I don't I feel like week
Speaker 1: to week he's a proposition. Yeah, well, I mean, what
Speaker 1: what about his part about it? This time has changed?
Speaker 1: Because he's already put out that letter a couple of
Speaker 1: times saying I've comprehensively changed the person. Well, I think
Speaker 1: you at this point, we just all want that to
Speaker 1: be true of him. But why would the Patriots find
Speaker 1: him to be reliable when they seem to want reliable
Speaker 1: players more than any other trait. They can't. They can't
Speaker 1: totally count on him, and I think that's maybe one
Speaker 1: reason they drafted Nikio Harry, though I think they would
Speaker 1: have anyways, But he just changes the dynamic of that
Speaker 1: offense if he's there. He's one of those guys. To
Speaker 1: Mark's point, like even if he played in the a
Speaker 1: f C Championship game, you couldn't count on him for
Speaker 1: the Super I'll go next. Um on the topic of
Speaker 1: wide receivers with troubles off the field, how will this
Speaker 1: Tyweek Hill situation get resolved? And is there any scenario
Speaker 1: where the Chiefs keep Hill. I know they told him
Speaker 1: to stay away from the team, but that's a lot
Speaker 1: different than cutting the cord um if they do. Even
Speaker 1: if they do and he's on the roster in ten,
Speaker 1: is there any scenario where Tyreek Hill plays. Is he
Speaker 1: gonna be on the exempt list, Commissioner exemple list regardless
Speaker 1: or does he somehow you know, dodge that um and
Speaker 1: you know the latest of course on Hill, uh is
Speaker 1: that the criminal case against Hill and his fiancee for
Speaker 1: alleged child abuse was reopened following the release of that audio.
Speaker 1: On the first night of the draft, and Hill's representation
Speaker 1: issued a quote detailed denial to the NFL on the
Speaker 1: child abuse accusation. The tape, of course, was incredibly damning.
Speaker 1: So there's all that to play out. But I'm just curious,
Speaker 1: you know, how this gets resolved. The Chiefs draft at
Speaker 1: a wide receiver in the second round, um, it indicates
Speaker 1: that they are at least preparing for life after Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 1: But is that how this actually ends up at We
Speaker 1: all have our opinions what we think about Tyree Hill
Speaker 1: after all these things that have come out, But how
Speaker 1: does how do the Chiefs go about what is the
Speaker 1: future of Hill? That's still very much up in the air.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. We saw how his agent came
Speaker 1: out was pretty aggressive and his denials and kind of
Speaker 1: obfuscation of what's really going on. And maybe if if
Speaker 1: he didn't have this history, there'd be some benefit of
Speaker 1: the doubt, but I can't imagine that he gets any
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. Well, it sounds like I think
Speaker 1: just the takeaway from that is that the Tyreek Hill
Speaker 1: side is gonna legally um fight this. And Mike Garatfolo
Speaker 1: reported last week, you know they weren't expecting any NFL
Speaker 1: action to take place last week. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that to me, that just seems like it's right now,
Speaker 1: it's indefinite. But to answer your question, Dan, I think
Speaker 1: the answer almost has to be yes, there's a scenario
Speaker 1: or else he wouldn't be on the roster, like if
Speaker 1: they you know, if if until they cut him. I
Speaker 1: will believe there's a scenario because they have to be
Speaker 1: thinking there's a scenario that that's possible, or else them.
Speaker 1: That's why I said stay away the wording. You know
Speaker 1: the wording. You have to look at the wording. In
Speaker 1: this statement that was released by Brett Veach on that
Speaker 1: Thursday night, he said for the foreseeable future, he is
Speaker 1: not going to be connected to any Chiefs activities whatsoever.
Speaker 1: But there was no we don't condone. He's alligating you
Speaker 1: know this behavior, we are cutting ties, they're leaving the
Speaker 1: door open. And it also got me thinking Um Hill again,
Speaker 1: and we can talk about's one of the best wide
Speaker 1: receivers in all of football, um and so he's not
Speaker 1: just an important player, he's a vital player to an
Speaker 1: AFC contender. And I know people want to say, oh,
Speaker 1: that's not gonna matter, but you wonder what's going on
Speaker 1: behind closed door at Kansas City. UM. And if this
Speaker 1: is if this goes to the point where Tyreek Hill's
Speaker 1: career is over um at age, I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: there's if there's ever been anything. I know, you know
Speaker 1: Ray Rice, but Ray Rice was coming near the end
Speaker 1: of the line. Greg Hardy is a guy that, of
Speaker 1: course was a I'm kind of sack master when his
Speaker 1: domestic violence issues in effect ended his career. UM, this
Speaker 1: is kind of uncharted territory in the modern NFL. A
Speaker 1: guy of this star level disappearing. I wonder if it
Speaker 1: actually happens. It's a good question. There's a guy named
Speaker 1: Lance Rensel who played for the Cowboys and Vikings in
Speaker 1: the late sixties and early seventies, and UM, I would
Speaker 1: encourage people to google his name. He had some very interesting,
Speaker 1: UM off the field issues. It pretty much ruined his career. UM.
Speaker 1: All right, Mark closes up, let's do it. I know
Speaker 1: West will not like this. For the save, Mark, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can. I have not participated
Speaker 1: on the softball team and not played any version of
Speaker 1: baseball or softball in two plus decades, So maybe a
Speaker 1: bad idea I am focused on. I feel like Joe Flacco.
Speaker 1: I get it. We all West loves him as as
Speaker 1: soaring through the season. They drafted its tight end and
Speaker 1: it's perfect for Joe Flacco. What a good tight end
Speaker 1: is perfect for any quarterback. So that is not exclusive
Speaker 1: to Joe Flacco and the Broncos who have John Elway
Speaker 1: has largely botched the search for a quarterback almost entirely
Speaker 1: outside of Joe Flacco. So there's reason to think Flacco
Speaker 1: could just be positioned in and roll. But you took
Speaker 1: Drew Luck. And here's the issue I have with just
Speaker 1: simply sitting him all year. You if Drew Luck is
Speaker 1: not the answer, you can also say that Joe Flacco
Speaker 1: is not the long term answer. And you are coming
Speaker 1: into a draft and next year where people look at
Speaker 1: that as what this was not that there are some
Speaker 1: We'll see how it chakes out, but justin Herbert, they
Speaker 1: screw up for two a guy. I mean, you can
Speaker 1: roll into next year's draft as the Broncos finally as
Speaker 1: John Elway is having the dude, if your team is
Speaker 1: not quite there, so do you have to find a
Speaker 1: way to If Truelock thrives in the summer camps, in
Speaker 1: off seat in the in the training camp, and into
Speaker 1: the preseason. Does it put Joe Flack go again on
Speaker 1: a short shelf life if he is not anything but pristine.
Speaker 1: I I don't know how you don't take a look
Speaker 1: at this guy with many more options at quarterback next year.
Speaker 1: Because Drew Lock also has not seen as necessarily the
Speaker 1: next dude. So you're not going to just say we're
Speaker 1: comfortable with him for the next half decade and then
Speaker 1: be the John Elway that misses and totally whiffs on
Speaker 1: someone much better next April. Solway likes Flacco enough that
Speaker 1: there was no discussion of taking a quarterback in the
Speaker 1: first round. He wasn't going to take a quarterback at
Speaker 1: that spot, but he doesn't like him enough to bypass
Speaker 1: the opportunity to draft Drew Lock in the second round.
Speaker 1: I think he did not like any of the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in this draft enough. Yes, absolutely, and he had he
Speaker 1: I think he said, listen, if for some reason Joe
Speaker 1: Flacco turned this was great and turned this team into
Speaker 1: a into position, we're not going to be able to
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback next year. Take a swing on someone
Speaker 1: Drew Lock was not anyone's number one dude, but there
Speaker 1: are some people that really like him, so there's a
Speaker 1: reason to take a shot. But I just think it's
Speaker 1: trying to figure out. It's almost like the Dolphins from
Speaker 1: a different angle, where you your quarterback investment could be
Speaker 1: happening right now with what you did with with Rosen.
Speaker 1: But it's very acceptable in Miami if Drew Rosen is
Speaker 1: not what they want, that they go out and draft
Speaker 1: someone else. I view Joe Flacco as someone that is
Speaker 1: a one year solution, even from a money angle, they
Speaker 1: can get out from underneath that contract if anyone else
Speaker 1: pops up. And if John, if John Ellie is trying
Speaker 1: to tell Broncos fans, we are centering this team around
Speaker 1: a latter stages Joe Flacco for the ongoing future. He
Speaker 1: has his fans, and I get it he's better than
Speaker 1: what they've had. That is a tough sell to me
Speaker 1: if I'm a Broncos fans. He has the future in
Speaker 1: his own hands, and that's happened twice in his career.
Speaker 1: Once he won the Super Bowl and once he lost
Speaker 1: his job to Lamar Jackson. I think we're going to
Speaker 1: see Drew lock this year, but that's a good you
Speaker 1: bring you bring up a good I'm just wondering, how
Speaker 1: soon do you wait till week fifteen? The summer. You're right,
Speaker 1: the summer does matter for these young quarterbacks a lot.
Speaker 1: The summer is gonna matter for Josh Rosen, It's gonna
Speaker 1: matter better for Drew Lock. Those are kind of the
Speaker 1: players to watch in August. There are the young guys,
Speaker 1: but there's not a scenario where Drew Lock beats out
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco for the job week one. Do you do
Speaker 1: you think so? I think any scenarios I am. I
Speaker 1: am over trying to say that a young quarterback will
Speaker 1: not be put on the field. It would be surprised,
Speaker 1: he would be shocking. But I don't think it's it's
Speaker 1: it's totally out of the would be it would be
Speaker 1: bad team team building because of what they went and
Speaker 1: did with Joe Flacco. So from that angle, I'm with
Speaker 1: West that he's got that. But do I think that
Speaker 1: there would be a big problem if the if the
Speaker 1: Broncos just laid a gigantic fart out of the gate
Speaker 1: and went one and four, what is the patients with
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco at that point when you have a young
Speaker 1: comeback to look at it. I don't think he can
Speaker 1: survive one and four. I think we all have an
Speaker 1: agreement on that, because if if the Broncos are scuffling
Speaker 1: along on Flacco does not look like the guy always
Speaker 1: thought he was getting, you probably want to see the
Speaker 1: young kid in the in the mean, in the short term,
Speaker 1: try to save the season. And it also has the
Speaker 1: long term effect of getting a look at this guy
Speaker 1: with a big draft class coming up. What would be
Speaker 1: really tricky for the Broncos as if Flacco doesn't work
Speaker 1: out or gets hurt. Locke is okay, he flashes maybe
Speaker 1: a little maybe like somewhere between Rosen and Darnald this
Speaker 1: past year where he has some moments but also has
Speaker 1: some low lights. Um, then what does lay do if
Speaker 1: he has a hide pick next April? But we got
Speaker 1: plenty of time talk, do we want to do? Like
Speaker 1: a real quick one, real quick just throw one out
Speaker 1: there and then I'll throw a real quick one out there.
Speaker 1: I just want to keep an eye out on Cam
Speaker 1: Newton parenthetical shoulder, Carson Wentz parenthetical back, both guys rehabbing.
Speaker 1: Newton is very confident. Whence the last time we heard
Speaker 1: was still working his way back. Those guys are healthy
Speaker 1: and themselves. Those teams are division winners potentially and playoff
Speaker 1: teams if not, especially in Philly. They don't have Nick
Speaker 1: Foles there anymore. Those teams are sunk. I'll give you
Speaker 1: a quick one. I we don't know who's still who's
Speaker 1: on Hard Knocks, And we were just at lunch, and
Speaker 1: usually we know by now that that announcement often has
Speaker 1: been made, and it to me, I would love to
Speaker 1: see it be. I look back last year how much
Speaker 1: you can learn from Hard Knocks when it's done well.
Speaker 1: When we saw Hugh Jackson battling with his staff and
Speaker 1: you just sense something was We already knew something was
Speaker 1: not right, but there were prime examples to look at.
Speaker 1: I would love to see the Raiders. I'd love to
Speaker 1: see Grooden in Mayok. There was like Albert Beer put
Speaker 1: out a big thing from Mayok today. How he he
Speaker 1: gets along better with Grooden than people ever would perceive,
Speaker 1: according to Mayok, and they lean on each other. I
Speaker 1: would like to see that. I thought you're thrown a
Speaker 1: little Mark Davis Spice and Antonio Brown. That to me
Speaker 1: is why I would watch Hard Knocks versus if they
Speaker 1: throw it to the Tennessee Titans or some other team
Speaker 1: that's gonna make me take along. They do wonder if
Speaker 1: the brown if if the Browns were another reason for
Speaker 1: these teams to say, I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1: Look what happened with the Browns like that? That was
Speaker 1: sort of when all these you know, coaches are very
Speaker 1: fearful of our knocks like that. What they're afraid of
Speaker 1: is what happened to you. We've got the last wave
Speaker 1: or maybe last violent wretches of free agency coming up
Speaker 1: later this with death rattle of free agency, the death
Speaker 1: rattle when you no longer have to pay via compensation
Speaker 1: picks for signing free agents. So teams are waiting for
Speaker 1: some of these guys who have a lot of snaps
Speaker 1: played over the last few years but are not seen
Speaker 1: as difference makers. So some guys are about to be signed,
Speaker 1: And specifically, what does that tell us about the Miami Dolphins,
Speaker 1: a team that nobody's sure if they're organically tanking or not.
Speaker 1: But some of the positions on their roster, say offensive line,
Speaker 1: they don't even have starters, they don't even have backups, Like,
Speaker 1: who who's gonna are they really tanking or are they
Speaker 1: gonna go get some of these interested in Nick Perry,
Speaker 1: which would be I think they would there's a decent player.
Speaker 1: I mean, there were two guys in the top fifteen
Speaker 1: of our free agents still out there and Dominan Sue
Speaker 1: and Ziggy Anza. Up. I know, I was I just
Speaker 1: doubling none. You're Cam Newton. Point to me, that's that's
Speaker 1: the number one story because coming off of a shoulder surgery,
Speaker 1: like he he wants to played a little more cautiously
Speaker 1: this time instead of rushing back like he did last time,
Speaker 1: which did not work too well. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't I never believe the sunny early prognoses of
Speaker 1: these recoveries from shoulder surgery. And for Newton it did
Speaker 1: turn out the but you know it was reported after that,
Speaker 1: oh it was more minor than they anticipated. Well we'll see, right,
Speaker 1: no shoulder surgery as minor, Am I right? Very correct?
Speaker 1: All right? I mean I got a technis shot and
Speaker 1: that wasn't even minor. But yeah, like yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it was, but not to you. It's like it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like a dull pain for a couple
Speaker 1: of days, you know. Yeah, they warned about that dull pain.
Speaker 1: I'm Joe, It's I'm joking. Yeah. Recently they were like,
Speaker 1: oh you haven't had a doctor's boy in fifteen years.
Speaker 1: We recommended every ten years. So I thought you only
Speaker 1: need that if you stepped at the roast Dale the
Speaker 1: US there he said. I said, Hey, it's up to you.
Speaker 1: What do you think you know? Hey, give me the works,
Speaker 1: not got I don't know, haven't had tetanus yet. I
Speaker 1: smell a raccoon attack that you're hiding from us. That's
Speaker 1: what I was just there and did musical tapes issues.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll be back Wednesday. It's a three show
Speaker 1: week around the NFL podcast keeps rolling. Um, that's it
Speaker 1: from here. Let's go stand handsOn signing off for Quiet Storm,
Speaker 1: The Mailman, The Old Boss and Ricky Hollywood behind the
Speaker 1: Glass Deel Wednesday. M Hm. I feel like it actually
Speaker 1: would fit in well with working classes. Oh yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: when I was in Mailman, all we did was go
Speaker 1: out dancing and hanging out in mosh pits and throwing
Speaker 1: people around. You slam danced. Oh I did. Yeah,