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Speaker 1: show last week with David Richardson. Really enjoyed that interview.
Speaker 1: Check it out if you haven't already. We have Remy
Speaker 1: Adelic coming on this show, retired Navy seal. But I
Speaker 1: guess the big thing that we got to get into
Speaker 1: that's going on that really broke on Saturday from the
Speaker 1: New York Times was this article that titled Trump maybe
Speaker 1: preparing pardons for service and accused of war crimes. And
Speaker 1: as you told me, Jack Dave Phillips, the author we've
Speaker 1: had on the show before, you reminded me, um, and
Speaker 1: I originally saw this tweeted out by a guy I
Speaker 1: believe we interviewed you and Fox and Friends, Pete hexeth Right,
Speaker 1: and the way he described it is that Trump is
Speaker 1: a true war fighters president. Yeah. I talked to Pete
Speaker 1: after after I was on Fox and Friends actually, and
Speaker 1: he was like trying to tell me about that. He
Speaker 1: was like, what do you what do you think about
Speaker 1: Eddie Gallagher? And I was like, well, you know, he's
Speaker 1: innocent until proven guilty. It doesn't really look good when
Speaker 1: you know, however, many what five or seven of your
Speaker 1: teammates come out and uh accuse you of war crimes.
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, we have to let the
Speaker 1: facts come out. And he was trying to tell me
Speaker 1: he had seen, you know, the Defense had shown him
Speaker 1: some internal documents that led him to believe that these
Speaker 1: witnesses want to withdraw their statements. And but I don't know,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that document, um, but he he was
Speaker 1: definitely in uh, in Gallagher's camp. And I think the
Speaker 1: thing with you know, everyone knows that Trump watches Fox
Speaker 1: News and these corporations that are trying to appeal to
Speaker 1: the president, like recently it was the airlines, Like they
Speaker 1: know they can buy ad space on Fox and Friends,
Speaker 1: and it's like almost a sure thing that the President
Speaker 1: is going to see it. Um, So if you want
Speaker 1: to get his ear, that's the way to do it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so, um, you know, and in the defense,
Speaker 1: people who defend Eddie Gallagher have become, you know, pretty
Speaker 1: much regulars on Fox and Friends. So certainly trying to
Speaker 1: influence the President's decision making. And here, you know, we
Speaker 1: have this article which appears to show that just that
Speaker 1: has happened. That um, Trump has ordered the paperwork to
Speaker 1: be drafted to pardon uh, it is believed chief Eddie Gallagher.
Speaker 1: And I think I saw reading you know, the through
Speaker 1: the article Matt Goldstein mentioned as well, Uh, and also um,
Speaker 1: one of the Blackwater guys who was convicted for that shooting,
Speaker 1: uh two thousand seven shooting as they went through the
Speaker 1: traffic circle and the Marine Corps snipers, you remember that
Speaker 1: whole thing where the video came out of them pissing
Speaker 1: on the Taliban bodies. Um. And there might be one
Speaker 1: other person involved in here. But so there supposedly drawing
Speaker 1: up all this pardoning pardon files to do this, and
Speaker 1: it sounds like Trump wants to do it on Memorial Day,
Speaker 1: which is and by the way, you called it on
Speaker 1: this show, you said this is something that Trump was
Speaker 1: gonna do. Um. I think you said closer to the election. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was my thoughts, that he would do it right
Speaker 1: during the during re election his re election campaign, Um,
Speaker 1: for the maximum amount of publicity. I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: couple of different things I could say about this. I mean,
Speaker 1: first off, to pardon a bunch of people who are
Speaker 1: accused of war crimes on Memorial Day, it's just kind
Speaker 1: of fucking gross. I mean, I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: even know what to say to that. There's a certain
Speaker 1: amount of tone deafness there to say the least, um.
Speaker 1: But beyond that, Um, like we were talking about Michael
Speaker 1: Behennah before we started recording, and yes, President Trump pardoned him.
Speaker 1: I think that's a very different situation though, because Behenna
Speaker 1: was convicted, he went to his he had his trial,
Speaker 1: he was convicted, slightly under five years fifteen years, sent
Speaker 1: and serve prison time, got paroled out. Um. When he
Speaker 1: got paroled out, we had him on this podcast to
Speaker 1: interview him. Uh. And then years later President Trump pardons Behanna,
Speaker 1: and the facts were all out. We know what the
Speaker 1: facts were all out and Beanhannah who who should be
Speaker 1: said he maintains his innocence to this day. But be
Speaker 1: Hennas served his debt to society. He was convicted, he
Speaker 1: served his time, he manned up to that, Uh, and
Speaker 1: now it's time for him to get back on with
Speaker 1: his life and to try to reintegrate into society. UM.
Speaker 1: With Eddie Gallagher, the facts have not had the opportunity
Speaker 1: to come out yet in a court of law. What
Speaker 1: I have witnessed is the defense has tried very very
Speaker 1: hard to try this case in a court of public passion.
Speaker 1: They have tried to get everyone all spun up about this,
Speaker 1: make it into uh something that's very emotional um, which
Speaker 1: I have no doubt it is emotional for the family
Speaker 1: and for the accused, But they have tried to rile
Speaker 1: up the entire American public and get them on their side. Uh.
Speaker 1: Courts have to be impartial. Justice has to be impartial.
Speaker 1: It can't take place, um just because we have passionate
Speaker 1: convictions because there's something we want to believe. We have
Speaker 1: to go with what the facts are. And this president
Speaker 1: does like to take um. He likes to get old
Speaker 1: in cases that that are popular amongst Well, that's that's
Speaker 1: another part of this. So I mean, just to finish
Speaker 1: off what I was saying, is that, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: this needs to go to court martials so that the
Speaker 1: facts can come out. And look, if the facts show
Speaker 1: that these guys, that these these what five or six
Speaker 1: or seven seals accusing Chief Gallagher of war crimes, if
Speaker 1: it comes out in a court of law that they
Speaker 1: fabricated this stuff, that they were liars, that they perjured themselves,
Speaker 1: well that's reprehensible, and then those guys should probably be
Speaker 1: facing charges at that at that point. But if that's
Speaker 1: where the chips fall, I mean, let the chips fall
Speaker 1: where they may, and then we know then we will
Speaker 1: know seem we said this before we record. It seems
Speaker 1: so calculated. And every Navy seal that we've had on
Speaker 1: the show, I have asked their opinion. It's overwhelmingly overwhelming
Speaker 1: support for Gallagher. I mean, asked Christian back on the show.
Speaker 1: Rob O'Neil uh, you were here when we talked to
Speaker 1: Jake's wig. We're definitely gonna ask g Remy. But but
Speaker 1: isn't got to be honest. I am more in your
Speaker 1: camp of what the guy have a fair trial and
Speaker 1: then figure things out from there. And I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know what's controversial about that statement. It is. It
Speaker 1: is a controversial statement. And when we had Christian Beck
Speaker 1: on this, you know, I want Christian giver take. But
Speaker 1: what Christian said just didn't add up to me. Where
Speaker 1: they said, well, this guy was really harsh on his men,
Speaker 1: he was not well wiped by them, so they kind
Speaker 1: of got together and concocted these ideas of working conspiracy.
Speaker 1: That doesn't add up to me personally. That I mean
Speaker 1: that seven soldiers, seven seals cooked up a conspiracy and
Speaker 1: they invented war crimes out of whole cloth um because
Speaker 1: their boss was a dick. That's a little difficult to believe. Um,
Speaker 1: just based on my own personal experience, I've worked for
Speaker 1: some dicks in the army. And the notion that we
Speaker 1: would sit down and and dream that kind of stuff
Speaker 1: up and then perjure ourselves and signed sword and statements
Speaker 1: to things that we know aren't true, that that's difficult
Speaker 1: to believe. Um. There were times in special Forces and
Speaker 1: in range of battalion where you had a boss who
Speaker 1: was incompetent, and what would happen is that the n
Speaker 1: c o S the sergeants would go to the sergeant
Speaker 1: major together and they would say, look, he goes or
Speaker 1: we go. And that didn't happen often, but those little
Speaker 1: coup attempts they do happen. So there are a number
Speaker 1: of different ways you could go about getting a bad
Speaker 1: leader removed that don't involve all of this craziness we've
Speaker 1: seen play out in the public sphere. Um. And it's
Speaker 1: odd that are the default position is support this war fighter,
Speaker 1: support Chief Gallagher, but don't support the other six or
Speaker 1: seven seals like we're We don't. We don't support them
Speaker 1: like we're are. Is our belief that those six or
Speaker 1: seven guys are a bunch of libtards, that there are
Speaker 1: a bunch of Hillary supporters, um, That these seals are
Speaker 1: closeted communists, um, who love Obama and want to destroy
Speaker 1: the military, Like, do we really believe that? And then
Speaker 1: I'm I'm asking a sort of a rhetorical question. I'm
Speaker 1: asking you to ask yourself do you believe that? Um?
Speaker 1: And the facts of this case, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know if if Gallagher is innocent or guilty. But
Speaker 1: when I look at what we do know, there are
Speaker 1: certain claims being made that I find very difficult to believe.
Speaker 1: And I imagine wherever you fall, wherever your what your
Speaker 1: beliefs are in this case, you would find some of
Speaker 1: these claims difficult to believe. And again that's why this
Speaker 1: needs to go to trial, so that we can find
Speaker 1: out what the funk really happened here and that there
Speaker 1: can be justice and and if if Galgher is innocent,
Speaker 1: then he will be exonerated. Exactly why why is there
Speaker 1: this fear of going a trial? If he's completely innocent,
Speaker 1: that will all come out. Yeah. And then the other
Speaker 1: the flip side to this is, you know, President Trump
Speaker 1: playing this up for his own personal publicity, which again
Speaker 1: is just kind of gross to me. It's like he's
Speaker 1: doing this to try to make himself look good. And
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't believe for a moment that he
Speaker 1: gives a shit about our troops or that he cares
Speaker 1: about war crimes alleged or otherwise. Um, that he's just
Speaker 1: gonna do this on Memorial Day just to you know,
Speaker 1: put a feather in his hat. And it's like, come on, man, really,
Speaker 1: you don't worries me as well, and you you would
Speaker 1: probably have a better take on this, but I would
Speaker 1: just think the president wholesale pardoning. It seems like almost
Speaker 1: anyone accused of a war crime in the military, Like
Speaker 1: he's not looking at as individual cases. He went from
Speaker 1: Behanna to this, Matt Goldstein to just all at once.
Speaker 1: I would think, wouldn't it be crazy to think that
Speaker 1: won't be used as some sort of terrorist recruitment tool
Speaker 1: that you know, no matter what, the US can get
Speaker 1: away with murder, He'll get away with it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can get away with murder. And hey, you you know,
Speaker 1: you commit murder on the battlefield, you execute civilians, Hey
Speaker 1: funk it? You come home, you spin up an Instagram account,
Speaker 1: a Twitter at out, you waive the American flag and
Speaker 1: you go free, right? Is that is that how it
Speaker 1: works now? And you you alluded to it before, which
Speaker 1: you were saying that, you know, just making the point
Speaker 1: that this guy should have a fair, impartial trial is
Speaker 1: now a controversial statement. And it says something about us
Speaker 1: as a country. It says something about every single one
Speaker 1: of us when we look in the mirror, that we
Speaker 1: now live in a country where it is controversial to
Speaker 1: say war crimes are bad, to say that executing civilians
Speaker 1: is bad, to say that if you, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: if you murder a family, if you rape a teenage
Speaker 1: girl in I rack, that that's bad, and that that
Speaker 1: that's unacceptable unprofessional behavior from our soldiers. That that's now
Speaker 1: a controversial statement. And and I hear it all the time.
Speaker 1: People hate me and criticize me, and I mean, I
Speaker 1: can take it, but it what it's very disturbing to
Speaker 1: me is that that is where our values are at
Speaker 1: as a country, that we're just okay with that. And
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, there's so many people we trained these
Speaker 1: guys to kill. What do you expect, like, well, hold
Speaker 1: on a second, now, we never trained these guys to
Speaker 1: murder civilians like, that's not that was that's not a
Speaker 1: course in the military. Um, we we expect our soldiers
Speaker 1: to be disciplined, and I think we all understand that
Speaker 1: we put these guys in very difficult positions. Um, you
Speaker 1: have to make difficult decisions under combat stress and combat conditions.
Speaker 1: That ship gets confusing out there. You're in a firefight
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, you don't know who
Speaker 1: the funk is where, you don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1: And you know, I wrote about it in my book.
Speaker 1: I know better than most people how fucking confusing it
Speaker 1: gets out there, and that you do something, you take
Speaker 1: an action that you think is ethical and moral and right,
Speaker 1: and then it turns out that you did something really wrong.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I've been there. I know a lot
Speaker 1: of other guys have been there. I know guys who
Speaker 1: have um exposed. So if we breached doors and killed
Speaker 1: kids on the other side, but it's not a war crime.
Speaker 1: That they were trying to do the right thing and
Speaker 1: there was a kid there and that's fucking tragic and
Speaker 1: that's horrible, but it's not murder. And so there's a
Speaker 1: big difference. And I just think it's It's shocking to
Speaker 1: me how many Americans, including my fellow veterans, who will
Speaker 1: come out there and try to legitimize war crimes. And
Speaker 1: that's really disturbing to me, and it makes it makes
Speaker 1: me question. It's the kind of thing that will make
Speaker 1: you question, do you really want to continue supporting the
Speaker 1: military if this is where we're at, if this is
Speaker 1: who we are now. Well, although I said that the
Speaker 1: Navy seals we've had on the show of overwhelmingly supported
Speaker 1: h Eddie Gallagher, you know, without question. One guy who
Speaker 1: did who did not, you know, go with the grain
Speaker 1: on that, and I saw you put this article up
Speaker 1: was Representative Dan Crenshaw is echoing what you're saying. Let
Speaker 1: us go to trial first. Yeah. Crenshaw made a statement today, uh,
Speaker 1: saying that the facts need to come out in the
Speaker 1: court martial and after that a pardon can be considered,
Speaker 1: right if it's appropriate or not. So I I agree
Speaker 1: with Dan. I think he's right, um, And to be honest,
Speaker 1: he's more powerful than any of the other seals we've
Speaker 1: had on this show, and that he is a voice
Speaker 1: in Congress. Yeah. Yeah, And I'm glad he came out
Speaker 1: and said that, Um, that was great, And I would
Speaker 1: think people lend some legitimacy to what he's saying and
Speaker 1: that he's been there, he's done that, and and he's
Speaker 1: echoing your point of view. I mean, I respect his
Speaker 1: point of view. I mean, but honestly, I think this
Speaker 1: is so polarized and people are so passionate, so emotional
Speaker 1: about this. I think that people will just come those
Speaker 1: types of people that has come out fucked and Crenshaw
Speaker 1: you know him, Yeah, he's he's a liberal, good him raw.
Speaker 1: It's like, come on, dude, and the guy supports the
Speaker 1: president and he does say a good night. He is
Speaker 1: a pretty um ardent Trump supporter. Yeah yeah. Um. But
Speaker 1: I mean for me, I look at this and it's like, man,
Speaker 1: if this is who we are, now this is what
Speaker 1: we support, then all we are is isis with an
Speaker 1: American flag on our shoulder, like pretty controversial state. Is
Speaker 1: that what we're becoming? Is that who we are? And
Speaker 1: if that's the case, why the funk are we even
Speaker 1: fighting in Syria and Iraq and Afghanistan and a dozen
Speaker 1: other places. If we're just gonna replace one group of
Speaker 1: thugs with another, I mean, what why are we even
Speaker 1: pretending this is about freedom, Like, let's just dispense with
Speaker 1: that pretense entirely and just hey, it's about slaughter. Just
Speaker 1: killing for the sake of killing. That's what it is
Speaker 1: and that's who we are. Now. Yeah, this will be
Speaker 1: interesting if if this happens on Memorial Day, and oh,
Speaker 1: I guess that. I do think one of the things
Speaker 1: people have a problem with is he it wouldn't just
Speaker 1: be a pardon of one guy, It's a pardon of
Speaker 1: several guys, which makes me think that these are not
Speaker 1: being looked at his individual cases, which is how everything
Speaker 1: should be looked at. Everything should be looked at his
Speaker 1: individual What circumstances did this happen under, Because I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just so crazy to me to not believe that
Speaker 1: there are members of the military who are war criminals
Speaker 1: or criminals of any type. You take any group of
Speaker 1: people in America as big as the military, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna find some people who have, you know, terrible intentions
Speaker 1: and poor backgrounds. Well, that's the point they tried to
Speaker 1: make in this in this article was that um presidential
Speaker 1: pardons usually take like months to review, and it sounds
Speaker 1: like they're throwing all these together in about a week.
Speaker 1: It's it's just so weird to me how it all
Speaker 1: gets thrown, as you said, under the heading of support
Speaker 1: the troops, because you know, we we know for a fact,
Speaker 1: and obviously I'm not saying this guy represents the military,
Speaker 1: but I mean Tim McVeigh honorably served, all right, there
Speaker 1: are obviously people in the military who do terrible things.
Speaker 1: Which troops do we support and why? Yeah, So we'll
Speaker 1: keep you updated as as this keeps going. Before we
Speaker 1: get to Remy and you know, we'll get his take
Speaker 1: on this as well. I wanted to mention this and
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna ask me why are you bringing
Speaker 1: this up? But I and this is this is in
Speaker 1: your world, Dennis, because you were you worked on the
Speaker 1: Tash Show, you know, the wrestling world. This is in
Speaker 1: my world. Yes, yeah, did you ever meet actually a sorrow?
Speaker 1: I have not, no, but I know for a fact
Speaker 1: that Tas himself has worked side by side her closely.
Speaker 1: So he was very upset on Twitter and I'm sure
Speaker 1: personally as well with her passing over the weekend. So uh,
Speaker 1: it definitely hit close to home with him. And he
Speaker 1: gets very when wrestlers die, which is very common because
Speaker 1: just that the ct E and the steroids and whatnot,
Speaker 1: like it hits home, and especially for a girl to
Speaker 1: do it, it's it's even harder. Yes, I saw this
Speaker 1: happen last week. Fellow Along Islander who I had some
Speaker 1: mutual friends with actually and never met her, but actually
Speaker 1: Mssorrow died also a radio DJ on the Shark local
Speaker 1: Long Island station, And that's actually how they found out
Speaker 1: that she died, where she didn't show up for her
Speaker 1: radio shift. Uh, and they they found her dead. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's confirmed as a suicide. I
Speaker 1: know that that's you know, that's not officially, but it
Speaker 1: heavily leans that way. They're saying she had a history
Speaker 1: with depression. Um the And I bring this up because
Speaker 1: you're probably wondering where what does this have to do
Speaker 1: with the military is. I don't know when this actually
Speaker 1: came out, but it's going around on Twitter, and I
Speaker 1: personally have not seen any military sites report on this
Speaker 1: on this affid David, and it could very likely have
Speaker 1: I would think something to do with her depression and
Speaker 1: possible suicide. So I'm just gonna read from the actual
Speaker 1: testimony here for this lawsuit against the w w E
Speaker 1: which she dropped UM. But I mean this sounds like this.
Speaker 1: I mean this sounds like a pretty detailed story that
Speaker 1: she tells here. I I would say, it sounds legitimate
Speaker 1: to me and would make sense why she ended their
Speaker 1: life prematurely, possibly if that's the case at thirty nine. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna read from this right here. This
Speaker 1: is from the actual testimony, and I highlighted some of
Speaker 1: the most important parts of this. Uh So it's a
Speaker 1: little bit long, but let me read it. While I
Speaker 1: was initially thrilled to have this opportunity, which is about
Speaker 1: going UM overseas with w w E for the mill,
Speaker 1: it was like a US tour exactly. Yeah, I began
Speaker 1: experiencing issues from the outset. At the beginning of the trip.
Speaker 1: I received harsh treatment from several men in Saudi Arabia,
Speaker 1: even while wearing a burka. Maria Cannellis, who assume as
Speaker 1: someone else in the organization, did not receive this type
Speaker 1: of treatment, so I suspected that it was related to
Speaker 1: my fair skin and light eyes. This made me very uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: but I brushed it off and was still looking forward
Speaker 1: to the tour. Then after we arrived in Kuwait, I
Speaker 1: began to suffer from from menstrual cramps. I had asked
Speaker 1: to rest in the humby, which was air conditioned, during
Speaker 1: a break, and the U. S. Army soldiers insists that
Speaker 1: I was suffering from dehydration, notified Gary and insisted on
Speaker 1: taking me to a nearby military base in Kuwait. I
Speaker 1: was told at the base that I needed an IVY
Speaker 1: for dehydration. I protested that they insisted that I needed
Speaker 1: it and it was very common due to the hot weather.
Speaker 1: When I arrived at the sick bay and IVY was
Speaker 1: placed in my arm. Almost immediately after sitting with the
Speaker 1: IVY in my arm for what I felt like was ours,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hard came to check up on me and make
Speaker 1: sure I was okay. I told him I was fine,
Speaker 1: but that they wouldn't leave me because they said I
Speaker 1: had to wait to see a doctor. Jimmy said he
Speaker 1: and the rest of the group, we're going to get
Speaker 1: lunch and left. Another couple of hours went by, and
Speaker 1: then a man appeared in the sick bay dressed in
Speaker 1: an orange T shirt and cargo shorts. I had heard
Speaker 1: others comment that it was his birthday. He represented himself
Speaker 1: as a U. S. Army doctor, but I observed that
Speaker 1: all the other doctors at the facility had been wearing scrubs,
Speaker 1: so I do not know whether this was true. He
Speaker 1: was with a woman who was dressed in full military fatigues.
Speaker 1: While I was in the sick bay. He approached me
Speaker 1: and almost immediately administered an IVY of an unknown substance
Speaker 1: in my other arm. Almost immediately after, the alleged doctor
Speaker 1: and the woman and fatigues moved me into a room
Speaker 1: that did not appear to be a treatment room and
Speaker 1: placed me onto a table. The woman guarded the door
Speaker 1: while the man proceeded to inject me with a drug
Speaker 1: that caused me to be unable to move my body
Speaker 1: or to scream. The man then proceeded to violently rape
Speaker 1: and sodomized me. I was completely helpless to defend myself
Speaker 1: against this attack, and the drug he injected rendered me
Speaker 1: temporarily paralyzed. Despite being unable to control my movements, I
Speaker 1: remained fully conscious for every second of the attack. I
Speaker 1: felt excruciating pain as a result of this man penetrating
Speaker 1: me by force and against my will in a violent
Speaker 1: and aggressive manner while I was completely defenseless. Each second
Speaker 1: that went by was excruciating, and I've never felt more
Speaker 1: helpless or been more terrified in my entire life. The
Speaker 1: experience was a living nightmare. I don't know exactly how
Speaker 1: long this went on for, but it felt like an eternity.
Speaker 1: The suffering I endured far surpassed all the injuries I
Speaker 1: had ever suffered in the ring put together. I was
Speaker 1: experiencing not only severe physical pain, but severe emotional and
Speaker 1: psychological trauma. I've always considered myself to be a fighter
Speaker 1: and a survivor, so I can't even find the words
Speaker 1: to describe what it felt like to be thrown at
Speaker 1: a table and stripped and then brutalized in the worst
Speaker 1: possible way that one human being is capable of brutalizing another,
Speaker 1: all while being unable to move or speak. In addition
Speaker 1: to the pain and terror, I felt almost dehumanized, and
Speaker 1: it was extremely disturbed by the feeling that I was
Speaker 1: I somehow given this man as some type of sick
Speaker 1: birthday present, and it almost made me sick that the
Speaker 1: female soldier willingly guarded the door for him while he
Speaker 1: raped me without blinking an eye Finally Gary returned and
Speaker 1: was banging on the door. The man and woman yelled
Speaker 1: one minute and threw a dirty quote on me as
Speaker 1: I was lying naked on the table, and when Gary
Speaker 1: entered the room, he attempted to ask them what was
Speaker 1: going on, but they immediately stormed out. At the time,
Speaker 1: my body was still limp at my speech impaired, so
Speaker 1: Gary wrapped me in the quilt and carried me out
Speaker 1: to the humpy outside and took me back to my
Speaker 1: hotel room and then put me in my bed as
Speaker 1: I needed to sleep. Gary said to call when I
Speaker 1: woke up and then and that he or one of
Speaker 1: the others we were traveling with would come back to
Speaker 1: get me alone in the hotel room without a birk
Speaker 1: and and uh, we're yacht for the night, yadd for
Speaker 1: the night. So I called a friend who was a
Speaker 1: travel agent, who arranged for me to meet an airline
Speaker 1: who airline employee, who by some miracle, got me onto
Speaker 1: a flight. Thankfully, I was able to return home, but
Speaker 1: I was still incredibly upset at the fact that I
Speaker 1: had been abandoned in a dangerous situation by my colleagues,
Speaker 1: who knew that I had just who knew what I
Speaker 1: had just endured and thought it was inappropriate that even
Speaker 1: the w w E office, while not aware of the
Speaker 1: rape yet, I would think it was a good plan
Speaker 1: for the rest of the group to leave me alone there. Overnight,
Speaker 1: as I returned to the US, doctor rio set set
Speaker 1: a meeting with me and questioned me about the incident.
Speaker 1: I have no idea how he knew anything that happened.
Speaker 1: I suspect that either something showed up in my drug
Speaker 1: test results, one of the other individuals on the tour
Speaker 1: reported it to him, or he could just sense from
Speaker 1: my demeanor that something was wrong. Regardless, he told me
Speaker 1: that I needed to tell him what had happened. I
Speaker 1: had finally agreed on the condition that he not disclosed
Speaker 1: the information to anyone else, and told him what had occurred.
Speaker 1: Dr Rios then informed Vince, obviously Vince McMahon, who informed
Speaker 1: Kevin Dunn, John Laurenatis. I assume these are heads of
Speaker 1: the w w and several other company executives or lawyers
Speaker 1: that I had never even met, but we're all president
Speaker 1: of meeting that I was called into shortly after. Vince
Speaker 1: led the meeting with these men and asked me to
Speaker 1: recount what happened to Kuwait. Then he said it was
Speaker 1: not in the best interest of the w w E
Speaker 1: for me to make the information about my attack public.
Speaker 1: I was still completely traumatized at that point, and I
Speaker 1: just agreed. It was clear that there had been a conversation,
Speaker 1: that they had reached a decision on their own prior
Speaker 1: to consulting with me, as this was not a debate,
Speaker 1: but rather Vince instructing me to keep this confidential. Vince
Speaker 1: did at least apologize for a lot of what I
Speaker 1: went through, but then stressed that if I disclosed this incident,
Speaker 1: it would ruin the relationship between the w w E
Speaker 1: and the U S. Military. He told me not to
Speaker 1: let one bad experience ruin the work that they were doing.
Speaker 1: His lack of sensitivity and referring to my ordeal as
Speaker 1: quote one bad experience left me speechless. Vince went on
Speaker 1: to say that I would not be required to travel
Speaker 1: to the Middle East ever again, and that the w
Speaker 1: w E would institute a new policy where any time
Speaker 1: a female w w E performer went to the Middle East,
Speaker 1: she would have a female w w E escort with
Speaker 1: her seven to ensure that this did not happen again.
Speaker 1: So that right there is a really crazy story. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen any military outlets um boarding on it, but
Speaker 1: it's something that should be rewarded on. So that guy
Speaker 1: who raped her, you think that was his first time
Speaker 1: raping a woman? That I do not know? I mean,
Speaker 1: it seems pretty orchestrated, with the I V and everything else.
Speaker 1: I think I think it's maybe his fifth. He had
Speaker 1: a system down, and it is crazy. Reading about the
Speaker 1: woman just standing there guarding the door. That was pretty surprising.
Speaker 1: It's the system, and it was planned and there were
Speaker 1: at least two people who knew about it. There's probably more.
Speaker 1: There's probably if I were to guess based on just
Speaker 1: the weird stuff I found out covering military sexual assault cases,
Speaker 1: I bet you there's a ring. I bet. I bet
Speaker 1: there was five, six, seven guys involved, and I bet
Speaker 1: they did that too, dozens of women, And if you
Speaker 1: went investigating it, I bet some of that would shake out.
Speaker 1: And there's probably female soldiers walking around right now who
Speaker 1: were raped and they have you know that they're just
Speaker 1: keeping it to themselves, or they were blacked out because
Speaker 1: they were so heavily medicated and they have no idea
Speaker 1: who did what to them cases fucking crazy and uh
Speaker 1: and you know what the w w E did to
Speaker 1: this this woman traumatized her a second time because they
Speaker 1: didn't support her, and they threw her under the bus
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. And this is I mean, this
Speaker 1: is what I'm trying to say, man, is a lot
Speaker 1: of ship has been covered up in this war a lot.
Speaker 1: And and by the way, you know, as unfortunate as
Speaker 1: it is, I could see why the ww E said,
Speaker 1: don't report this. This will make the w w e
Speaker 1: s relationship with the military look bad because if they
Speaker 1: come become public with this, the narrative could become, why
Speaker 1: are you supporting this woman's word over us military? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but here's the thing. Here's the here's the thing. Why
Speaker 1: is it that we are putting the rapist in a
Speaker 1: higher stature than this woman who was raped and we
Speaker 1: do this ship over and over and over again. Is
Speaker 1: that the victim needs to shut the funk up because oh,
Speaker 1: you're gonna tarnish the reputation of the army or whatever,
Speaker 1: and instead we're gonna support the criminal. And you know,
Speaker 1: say what whatever, whatever bullshit excuse And I mean the
Speaker 1: flag waving and the patriotism. That stuff comes out every time.
Speaker 1: It's like the one I I that story I worked
Speaker 1: on about the guy in the hundred first Airborne Division
Speaker 1: and the he was abusing male soldiers in in Uh
Speaker 1: in his platoon. And when those soldiers would go to
Speaker 1: their chain of command, the fucking colonel and the sergeant
Speaker 1: major would they sat They sat the one guy I
Speaker 1: talked you down, one of the many guys I talked to,
Speaker 1: They sat him down and they said, why would you
Speaker 1: want to tarnish the reputation of the band of brothers?
Speaker 1: Like what can we do for you to make this
Speaker 1: all go away? It's crazy. It's crazy, and it happens
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. And the my my
Speaker 1: issues with also with all of these people out there
Speaker 1: who just want to wave the flag and say support
Speaker 1: the war fighter. So I know, what's happening here is
Speaker 1: not okay. It's not okay. We have twenty two soldiers
Speaker 1: a day killing themselves. At least that's the one statistic
Speaker 1: that gets put out there over and over again, twenty
Speaker 1: two soldiers a day, and we all act like it's
Speaker 1: this horrible thing. Um, we all want to talk about
Speaker 1: how sad it is something's got to be done. Has
Speaker 1: anyone ever stopped for just a moment to ask themselves
Speaker 1: why two soldiers are killing themselves every day? How can
Speaker 1: we never ask why? Is it because they were raped
Speaker 1: in a combat zone? Is it because they saw a
Speaker 1: teammate murder civilians and it disturbed them? I mean, there
Speaker 1: are all sorts of different reasons why why they why
Speaker 1: they came home so traumatized? And maybe it has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with um something criminal, right? You know, for
Speaker 1: sure combat can mess with somebody's head, normal combat with
Speaker 1: the enemy. You see a friend cut in half by
Speaker 1: an I E. D. I mean, they're very traumatic things
Speaker 1: that happened to soldiers. But I feel like we we
Speaker 1: just wanna talk about the twenty two a day, as
Speaker 1: if it's happening in a vacuum, as if there isn't
Speaker 1: a cause and effect, like as if it isn't happening
Speaker 1: for a reason, and we don't ask the question why
Speaker 1: because deep down we don't want to know. That's probably
Speaker 1: the worst part of all. Wall said, um, And I
Speaker 1: hope more people report on this because it's very unfortunate
Speaker 1: to hear about this death. And it wouldn't be crazy
Speaker 1: to think that this is in some way connected with it.
Speaker 1: So if this story should come out, of course it is, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course it is all right. Well with that, we
Speaker 1: do have a great interview lined up. We have Remy
Speaker 1: Adelak who is an amazing story. His book is doing
Speaker 1: great things and is out there right now, so let's
Speaker 1: get right over to him on the phone with us
Speaker 1: right now. Remy adwack A grew up in Africa actually
Speaker 1: uh into a family of Nigerian royalty. When his father died,
Speaker 1: he relocated to the Bronx, got caught up in drug
Speaker 1: dealing and theft as a teenager, but then from there
Speaker 1: joined the military, became a Navy Seal, went on to
Speaker 1: act in Transformers The Last Night, and you're also in
Speaker 1: another upcoming Michael Bay film, which is pretty cool. And
Speaker 1: the reason we're having you're on beyond that great story
Speaker 1: is that you're the author now of Transformed, and that
Speaker 1: title goes to your your partner Transformers Transformed, a Navy
Speaker 1: seals unlikely journey from the throne of Africa to the
Speaker 1: streets of the Bronx, defying all odds. It's an honor
Speaker 1: to have you on, man, and it's thanks for having
Speaker 1: me brother. Absolutely. Yeah, thank you, Remy. I'd want to
Speaker 1: have you on for a long time since I read
Speaker 1: something about you and I was just like, oh man,
Speaker 1: this is like such a great story. Yeah, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah man, I've I've heard about you guys
Speaker 1: for a while, so I like, what's going on. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking some time for us today.
Speaker 1: Um and you know, happy to help you, uh promote
Speaker 1: the book. I mean this is like a really um
Speaker 1: not not just a really unique story, but it's also
Speaker 1: is a story about perseverance. Um. So I guess the
Speaker 1: first question I wanted to ask you was a little
Speaker 1: bit about, um, you know, your upbringing in in Nigeria
Speaker 1: and if you could explain a little bit about that
Speaker 1: context of your your family background. And I get the
Speaker 1: sense that there was, um some political chicanery that took
Speaker 1: place that led to you having to leave the country. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't know how far back you guys are
Speaker 1: okay with me going back, but go for you. It
Speaker 1: kind of good. It kind of starts my grandfather. Um so,
Speaker 1: my grandfather he was he was a royal chief within
Speaker 1: the Europa tribe. There's there three very prominent din't there
Speaker 1: are many tribes in Nigeria, but did three very prominent
Speaker 1: tribes with Ebu House in Europa, and my grandfather was
Speaker 1: a chief within the europe tribe and with that came
Speaker 1: his you know, and European and Western culture we refer
Speaker 1: to royal to he is king, queen, prince, Princido's Dutch
Speaker 1: and Nigerian culture. It's your last name and see so
Speaker 1: our last name a lake ad actually means clown and
Speaker 1: lake a means above the wool. Name is actually at
Speaker 1: a ready, everybody, you just go over remy for short.
Speaker 1: At the remy means the crown has appeased me. And
Speaker 1: so my grandfather because of his status and as a
Speaker 1: chief within the year of a tribe, he was very
Speaker 1: wealthy and he also had many wives. He had like
Speaker 1: nine wives, and my grandmother was one of the nine
Speaker 1: wives and the very first son. And it was boring
Speaker 1: to my grandfather was my father. So my father just
Speaker 1: naturally inherited that title. But my grandfather died when my
Speaker 1: dad was eight, and when he died, my father migrated
Speaker 1: down to the South. And when he got down to
Speaker 1: the South, there were Christian missionaries there and not only
Speaker 1: did they teach the Bible, but they also taught science, math,
Speaker 1: you know, history. Just Weston would pretty much provided a
Speaker 1: Western education. So my dad, he was a savant. He
Speaker 1: soaked it all up and he was just this intelligent guy,
Speaker 1: so much so that he ended up getting a full
Speaker 1: right scholarship to study engineering and architecture in London, and
Speaker 1: he went on to getting matches as well, and then
Speaker 1: he went on to start all these businesses. But was
Speaker 1: your father was then amongst the first, the first generation
Speaker 1: after um colonial ism to be brought to the West
Speaker 1: and go to college. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because my dad
Speaker 1: was born three, so that that was really really a
Speaker 1: lot older. And so yeah, he's your spot on and
Speaker 1: um he learned first and so um and started all
Speaker 1: of these businesses. He ended up being like the first
Speaker 1: black guy at the World Trade Center in New York City.
Speaker 1: He ended up being on the World County Planning Council
Speaker 1: in Britain, and he did all these things. But there
Speaker 1: was this burning desire within him to get back to Nigeria,
Speaker 1: to really establish Nigeria the beacon for all of the
Speaker 1: world to look at, because he hated the stereotype that
Speaker 1: Africans were like these bush people who were in around
Speaker 1: the spears, and they were uneducated, and he didn't have
Speaker 1: anything to give to the world, and so he wanted
Speaker 1: to go there to really which it was not true,
Speaker 1: but he really wanted to go change that narrative, and
Speaker 1: so he went back to Nigeria. He started all of
Speaker 1: these businesses. He started this engineering firm and he ended
Speaker 1: up building built his massive enterprise, so much so that
Speaker 1: he invested in this in this land in Nigeria called
Speaker 1: Americo um and he spent eight million pounds to buy
Speaker 1: the land in order to develop the city. Nigerian government
Speaker 1: stripped that from him. He was the court for ten
Speaker 1: years and battled them. They did it back. They ended
Speaker 1: up giving him this lagoon and we took this lagoon
Speaker 1: and he created a man made island. He dredged in
Speaker 1: and created a man made island. Around the same time,
Speaker 1: this is when I was born. I was born in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two and um so I was essentially born
Speaker 1: into the wealth that my dad had already established. You know,
Speaker 1: I was born. You know, we had you know, trial
Speaker 1: with the world at Nanny's cars, drivers, security horses. When
Speaker 1: they lived on a house. We lived on a compound.
Speaker 1: You know we I literally lived the dreams and um
Speaker 1: in nine seven and Nigerian government, after the plan was
Speaker 1: fully formed, they decided that this land doesn't belong to
Speaker 1: you anymore. You can't have this, which was very you know,
Speaker 1: corrupt in the sense because they could have waited that
Speaker 1: they could have done that before he started dredging the
Speaker 1: lagoon that created an island, but they waited till it
Speaker 1: was fully formed, and once it was born, they stripped
Speaker 1: it from him and he had invested every penny in it,
Speaker 1: and my dad died a few days later in the
Speaker 1: midst of fighting them. So we went from rich to port.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, it's unreal, but it's also you know,
Speaker 1: very sad that you know, your it sounds like your
Speaker 1: father was really trying hard to build something and was
Speaker 1: undermined by you know, the local corruption. Yeah, absolutely, it's
Speaker 1: a big thing. Corruption is a I'm working on a
Speaker 1: project and i'm right now tzo and I rarely go
Speaker 1: deep into the corruption that plays Nigeria. Really sad that
Speaker 1: that thing is that Nigeria's consistently went as one of
Speaker 1: the most corrupt nations in the world and then not pours.
Speaker 1: It's not a poor nation by any eats um. The
Speaker 1: more they provide oil, they have cocoa. I mean, oil
Speaker 1: was one of them the major exports. So they're very,
Speaker 1: very rich country. It's just that the politicians at the top,
Speaker 1: they had no problem with dealing. They have no problem
Speaker 1: taking money that's supposed to go to schools or roads
Speaker 1: and putting it in their own pocket. And then when
Speaker 1: we get the oil, that's a whole another correct And
Speaker 1: and after that you touched down in the Bronx with
Speaker 1: your mom. Yeah, was that like super culture shock for
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't for me because you know, my
Speaker 1: mom did a did a fantastic job of masking the
Speaker 1: reality of what had happened to us. You know, the
Speaker 1: best the bessonality that could use is my mom was
Speaker 1: just I just envisioned. My mom is this director, right,
Speaker 1: she's just director on this movie set and he's she's
Speaker 1: creating this this movie set that that that where if
Speaker 1: you look at it, everything seems perfect. But when you
Speaker 1: step off the movie off the movie set, it's chaos.
Speaker 1: And that's what my mom did. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: you know, I tell people this all the time. When
Speaker 1: my dad died, I'll never forget it. You know, my
Speaker 1: mom played my brother on her right side and you
Speaker 1: on her left side. It was this red couch and
Speaker 1: she said, you know, in such a calm, easy manner,
Speaker 1: your my you know, your dad's dad, and he's not
Speaker 1: coming back. And and there were no tears in her eyes.
Speaker 1: She was so strong, and she said in it's such
Speaker 1: a common way that me and my brother looked at
Speaker 1: each other and we're like okay, and we went back
Speaker 1: to playing. Because it was just the way my mom delivered.
Speaker 1: And that's just a snapshot of of the world that
Speaker 1: she created for us, not because she was trying to
Speaker 1: hide the reality, because she was trying to protect us.
Speaker 1: But she knew that if we broke down, then she
Speaker 1: would break down more. And she broke down, we would
Speaker 1: bring down more. So you know, it wasn't until I
Speaker 1: was about eight years old that the reality set in,
Speaker 1: you know, because I beginning to ec things. You know,
Speaker 1: as a kid, you see things, you see the environment
Speaker 1: that you go up and you didn't know it. Sup
Speaker 1: point like is this is this is the way people
Speaker 1: was a little to treat each other. You know, I
Speaker 1: was beat up, but I was jumped. I had fights
Speaker 1: and then you know, I looked at our financial situation.
Speaker 1: There were times my mom had to go to the
Speaker 1: to the office, and I was right there, went for
Speaker 1: the rent office to ask for extra time to pay
Speaker 1: the bills, you know, to pay the rent so that
Speaker 1: we could keep staying the apartment. There were times when
Speaker 1: my mom didn't have enough food to feed herself. She
Speaker 1: had jest enough food to feed my brother, and my
Speaker 1: brother and I shared the same clothes and ship sneakers.
Speaker 1: You know. It's just so as I and I got older,
Speaker 1: you know, that's when I really begin to realize, Wow,
Speaker 1: like this is my this is my normal. Uh, this
Speaker 1: is what's going on. And I remember actually breaking down
Speaker 1: one day and just crying because I was My mom
Speaker 1: would tell me all of these stories of how we
Speaker 1: used to live, and you know, it was just like, man,
Speaker 1: I wanted that life, and I associated my father and
Speaker 1: alive with us having that life, and so um yeah, Man,
Speaker 1: as time went on, I just that's when I decided,
Speaker 1: I think, unconsciously, I'm going to make a way. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna find a way to make that life for myself,
Speaker 1: to create this amazing life. And that's when I started
Speaker 1: out doing some new fairy stuff. That I started. I
Speaker 1: steal it for my mom, and that that progresses, you know,
Speaker 1: stealing from stores to get you know, chips and little
Speaker 1: things here and there. And then that progressed getting jobs
Speaker 1: and stealing from jobs as much as I could, and
Speaker 1: then that progressive selling drugs, and then that progressive running
Speaker 1: high level scams. And you know, by the time I
Speaker 1: was nineteen, I had this natural legal emphasized well, bringing
Speaker 1: a thousands, thousands and all the week, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And I had provided that life that I
Speaker 1: wanted my father to provide me, but I provided it
Speaker 1: in a in a very very illegal way. You a
Speaker 1: young entrepreneur, young entrepreneur, absolutely absolutely hustling. And what when
Speaker 1: when did it get into your head? I mean, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have this massive career shift from Krim the Hole
Speaker 1: to Navy seal. Yeah, yeah, well, you know as far
Speaker 1: as the Hole Navy Seal piece. Back in ninety six,
Speaker 1: there was a film that came out called The Rock,
Speaker 1: and um, that was the first time I heard of
Speaker 1: Navy Seals. You know, I was the first time I
Speaker 1: was growing up in the Bronx hood. You say, you
Speaker 1: don't know nothing about Special Forces of the Seals, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you don't get recruiters to
Speaker 1: talk about or you know, special Forces guys that come.
Speaker 1: You don't see billboards, so there's no education around it. Um.
Speaker 1: I get the question all the time, runnalize it that
Speaker 1: there are not many African Americans and minorities and sauces
Speaker 1: because of racism, And my answers don't. I don't see
Speaker 1: this racism on the military sport. I see it as
Speaker 1: there's a lack of information. There's a lack of education
Speaker 1: in the inner city. So when you don't have that information,
Speaker 1: you don't know about it, you can't pursue it, right.
Speaker 1: And so for me, I didn't know anything about seals
Speaker 1: until until I watched this movie The Rock and I
Speaker 1: saw these guys coming out of the water and doing
Speaker 1: all these crazy stuff, and yeah, they got killed, but
Speaker 1: I was just like just mesimalized, and so you know,
Speaker 1: the Marines got them. Yeah, And so fast forward to
Speaker 1: one of to to to him. When I wasn't doing
Speaker 1: my thing, hustling in the streets, you know all stories short,
Speaker 1: I got involved in the deal with a drug dealer
Speaker 1: that went extremely, extremely bad, Like it was a way
Speaker 1: to off you know, I sold them some products that
Speaker 1: were supposed to last one sort amount of time, a
Speaker 1: fraction at that time, and he came knocking on my door,
Speaker 1: and uh, he was just like, if you don't give
Speaker 1: me what I'm wondered when I'm do, things are not
Speaker 1: gonna go too well for you. And I knew his reputation.
Speaker 1: He was a killer, like he had bodies, That's what
Speaker 1: we said in the streets. He had bodies us. He
Speaker 1: killed people, That's who he was. And so I do
Speaker 1: what that meant, you know what I'm saying. I knew
Speaker 1: he was gonna kill me, and you know, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to take that chance, and I didn't
Speaker 1: want to, you know, rest my mom's life. And so
Speaker 1: you know, I made him the money that I needed
Speaker 1: to make them. And then after that, I decided, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do absolutely nothing. I'm out of the
Speaker 1: game of getting out of this hustling game itself. For
Speaker 1: six months, I did nothing, and then fast forward to
Speaker 1: Junior two thousand and two. You know, I finally gets
Speaker 1: more to the story to on my books. I'm on board,
Speaker 1: you guys would have. But I finally got and got
Speaker 1: to the point where I was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: what are you doing with your Like like, what what
Speaker 1: else do you have? Least like you failed at everything,
Speaker 1: Like what are you gonna do? And the idea came
Speaker 1: in my mind during the military, man like that was
Speaker 1: totally contrary to who I was, because I hated the government.
Speaker 1: I hated the police. I associate anybody in the uniform
Speaker 1: with a police officer. I got thrown in jail for
Speaker 1: dumb stuff that I shouldn't have got arrested for. You know,
Speaker 1: it was just like I just hate I just hated
Speaker 1: the system, and so I didn't want to be part
Speaker 1: of the system. But I just I got to the
Speaker 1: point where I was just like, what else are you
Speaker 1: gonna do? You ain't got nothing up, so you know,
Speaker 1: I said screw it, and I ran down the street
Speaker 1: I grew up on and I went to the recruiter's office.
Speaker 1: And again this multiple story, but I ended up in
Speaker 1: the Navy recruiter's office and and uh, she ran my
Speaker 1: background found out I had two months out from my
Speaker 1: arrest at a law in New Jersey and law in
Speaker 1: New York, and uh, praise God, man, like, this woman
Speaker 1: saw something that me I didn't seen myself because she
Speaker 1: she literally told me to come back the next day
Speaker 1: instead of turning me into the police. And and and
Speaker 1: the next day she was an address uniform and she
Speaker 1: took me to both judges, shook them to the judge
Speaker 1: in New Jersey and the judge in New York Man
Speaker 1: and she just advocated on my behalf for for me
Speaker 1: in front of just like, please expunge this guy's record
Speaker 1: because like, you know, I want him to get into
Speaker 1: the military. You can't get into the military with her record. Um.
Speaker 1: And both judges were like, hey, this is post eleven
Speaker 1: um that teams joined the military. We see this as
Speaker 1: an act of patriotism. Bom both of them expunge my record.
Speaker 1: She fudged my paperwork at the maps. Next thing, you
Speaker 1: know him in the Navy. That's that's so awesome that
Speaker 1: she was a female UM Army or I'm sorry, Navy
Speaker 1: recruiter and she actually like walked you into the courtroom
Speaker 1: and helped you get these warrants dropped. Yeah. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: she was from the Bronx. And the reason why she
Speaker 1: did that, Tiana is you know, I tried to say
Speaker 1: the name all the time because she ended up dying
Speaker 1: for years after that that of her own own disease,
Speaker 1: and I dedicated as you read the book. At the
Speaker 1: end of the book, there's this author's note that tells
Speaker 1: more of the story because she's in the book. Um,
Speaker 1: the story what she did to me is really in
Speaker 1: the book. Um. And and I referenced her throughout the book.
Speaker 1: And then at the end of the book there's this
Speaker 1: there's no to her and her family because he's saying,
Speaker 1: but her family has become my family, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, Like she was from the Bronx, and
Speaker 1: she just knew that no one would take a chance
Speaker 1: on me. She knew that if I went to another recruiter,
Speaker 1: I was going to be blacklisted, did not be able joint.
Speaker 1: And she was just like, let me get this guy
Speaker 1: a chance. And I also found out from the family
Speaker 1: that that's what she did. She would drive around the
Speaker 1: Bronx and her native recruiters car and meet up with
Speaker 1: friends who she used to you know, hang with, who
Speaker 1: was selling drugs and doing bad stuff. And she was
Speaker 1: gonna say, hey, listen, told me, I see where your
Speaker 1: life is going. Let's getting to the mill that she
Speaker 1: would get people into. She was like a Robin hood
Speaker 1: in the hood Navy, and I actually happened to right
Speaker 1: into the running to her and and then that's how
Speaker 1: I got into the Navy. Man, it was a blessing.
Speaker 1: And uh, when I got to boot camp, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of getting back to the seal thing, there was
Speaker 1: there's a seal that came um and he put on
Speaker 1: his presentation that happens in every bootcamp. Division shows his
Speaker 1: video what seals do you know? Guys jumping from plane,
Speaker 1: shooting guns, rod driving doom buggies. It was doing buggy video.
Speaker 1: I never forget and um and and and he and
Speaker 1: then he gave it and he said, who wants to
Speaker 1: be a seal? And like when that happened, that dream
Speaker 1: that I had when I was like fifteen, when I
Speaker 1: watched it, rock like just bubbled up back in me.
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, I won't do that, Like seriously,
Speaker 1: that's what I want. I read that you had to
Speaker 1: teach yourself to swim before you went yeah. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I I so after boot camp, but I got stationed
Speaker 1: in Naval Hospital Camp Pendleton, and um, and I was
Speaker 1: just determined and so I I'd have a car and
Speaker 1: I was just what it was just a swamp thing.
Speaker 1: I didn't have to, as that scores. You can't be
Speaker 1: a IVO to be a seal. And I was skinny.
Speaker 1: I was literally like just skinny dude, right, I could
Speaker 1: barely do ten push ups and so um so yeah man,
Speaker 1: I just I would run three miles to the pool,
Speaker 1: jumped in the pool, try to figure it out in
Speaker 1: the shadow, and and went three miles back. You know,
Speaker 1: as time passed, you know, I began to figure it out,
Speaker 1: and and and and how long was That's real? The
Speaker 1: determination it was. I wanted it. You know, I didn't
Speaker 1: have anybody standing over me saying do this. So I
Speaker 1: was like I would go to the gym and just
Speaker 1: make up work. I was a bart Aian dude. I
Speaker 1: would just do just ridiculous stuff people. I remember I
Speaker 1: would run up the hill to the pool barb or
Speaker 1: with a long barbell on my back, like I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is gonna work. This is
Speaker 1: but I just thought I might stroke. So so yeah, man.
Speaker 1: And then within the year checking into my command, I was,
Speaker 1: I was checking out and going to buds. And I
Speaker 1: read also that you know, your first time around, you
Speaker 1: didn't make it. I mean you had to, you had
Speaker 1: to sock it up and go back and try it again. Yeah. Man.
Speaker 1: So when I got the first phase of buds, the
Speaker 1: first time, I had like literally failed every I feel
Speaker 1: every swim like because when I was training to go
Speaker 1: to buds, I didn't notice you had to swim with sins.
Speaker 1: I just thought the check to be five one of
Speaker 1: York screening tests to get into buds. And I thought
Speaker 1: that once you got the buds and it was all
Speaker 1: like running and push ups and if you swam, it
Speaker 1: wasn't a time. I didn't you just had to finish
Speaker 1: the swim. I didn't know any of this stuff. And
Speaker 1: so when I got there and I put them friends
Speaker 1: on and they were like two mile time, no swim
Speaker 1: of eighty five minutes, I was like what, like what
Speaker 1: to what? And so I didn't know how to do it.
Speaker 1: So I would literally the swimtime was eighty five minutes.
Speaker 1: I was in the pool. I was in the ocean
Speaker 1: for two hours. Every swim. The instructors wouldn't let me stop.
Speaker 1: They would just either quit or keep swimming. And it
Speaker 1: was horrible because at the end of every swim, I
Speaker 1: had nobody set mr the Pacific Ocean. So at the
Speaker 1: end of every swim, not even at the end like
Speaker 1: at the three the when I was about a third
Speaker 1: of the way through, hypothermia would start to set in.
Speaker 1: And by the end of the swim, I was either
Speaker 1: hypothermic or borderline hyperthermic. And and and then so when
Speaker 1: I would check into the swim buoy to the swim
Speaker 1: boat to the end for the end of the swim,
Speaker 1: my swim buddies had to swim me to the south
Speaker 1: the search zone because I was just done, I was smoked,
Speaker 1: I was incoherent, I was just a mess. And and
Speaker 1: week after week, instructors like, just can't keep showing up.
Speaker 1: I had a I just show up to know I
Speaker 1: was a probably gonna die. I'm crazy, It's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: And uh A long story short, I made it through
Speaker 1: how week, crushed that. And then after I make it
Speaker 1: through how Week, that the ums, the the EXCEL and
Speaker 1: the CEO was just like, Okay, we see the tooth
Speaker 1: deterament that you want to be in your hard dude,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna performance roll you. So they performance
Speaker 1: rolled me two classes so that I can learn how
Speaker 1: to swim, and then once two or three finish hell week.
Speaker 1: Then I classed up with them, and then I continued
Speaker 1: on with training and then when I got to die
Speaker 1: phase to swim times that dropped from eighty five minutes
Speaker 1: to eighty minutes, and I tell my first two swims.
Speaker 1: And then I went to pool week, which is you know,
Speaker 1: two weekly, do all these different dive tests and once
Speaker 1: you passed out, you're pretty much almost Scott free. You
Speaker 1: just more half more than halfway through training and um
Speaker 1: and I failed this test and during pool week four
Speaker 1: times and went to a r people and they were like, dude,
Speaker 1: you know, we see that you at what takes, but
Speaker 1: this quarter thing is just killing you and we can't
Speaker 1: keep rolling you. We gotta performance drop you. So they
Speaker 1: kicked me out of training, went to the fleet, and
Speaker 1: came back two years later and made it through, started
Speaker 1: day one all over again, first phase, hell a week everything.
Speaker 1: That's hardcore, man. But you know, I think you know
Speaker 1: I made the point once that because we get people
Speaker 1: right in and send us emails like, oh, how do
Speaker 1: you make it through selection? I was like, look, the
Speaker 1: type of people who make it are the type of
Speaker 1: people who are like, I'm either going to graduate this
Speaker 1: course or you're gonna carry me out on a stretcher
Speaker 1: and it seems like you were you were in that category.
Speaker 1: Oh no, absolutely, Like, um, you know, I tell people
Speaker 1: all the time like you know, and I'm glad you
Speaker 1: brought that up. But I get the question all the time, hey, remy, like,
Speaker 1: why is it that that I show up to any
Speaker 1: selection program? Not just Boss, but I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: to do it's any selection program? Why is it that
Speaker 1: ninety three? Because only like a fraction of the guys
Speaker 1: make I'm sorry, why is it that, you know, all
Speaker 1: of these guys show up and only fraction that guys
Speaker 1: make it. And you know, my answer is always the same.
Speaker 1: It's you know, a lot of guys that show up
Speaker 1: to solve programs they have it's a it's just a
Speaker 1: good idea to them. Yeah, that's all it is. You know,
Speaker 1: they have super they have a superficial reason as to
Speaker 1: why they want to do it. And that's superficial reason
Speaker 1: is oh, I want to be I don't want to
Speaker 1: shoot guns. I wanna jump out of planes, I wanna
Speaker 1: you know, I want to you know, hang out with
Speaker 1: cool guys and just do this. But you know what,
Speaker 1: when once you get into selection and you get putting
Speaker 1: that water, you get on those long routcomes or those
Speaker 1: long runs, or you know you're getting hammer day and
Speaker 1: the day that good idea quickly turns into a bad idea, right,
Speaker 1: And so what you have to have on what I had,
Speaker 1: You know what you had, and what other guys who
Speaker 1: go to soft will make it through have, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: is what's called the deep root of emotional reason as
Speaker 1: to why they want to do it and like like
Speaker 1: something and it's not old for patriotism old because they
Speaker 1: know those is to me, those are still kind of
Speaker 1: superficial reasons. Patriotism to work depends on how you're gonna
Speaker 1: use it. But for me, it was I have nothing
Speaker 1: like that was my emotional reason. It's like I have
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing left. I had failed that everything in life
Speaker 1: so far, and I will not fail again. So I
Speaker 1: don't care. I literally have to die. I almost died,
Speaker 1: and still trying to actually tell a story in my book.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, guy, I was an ice you for
Speaker 1: like four days the first time I went to help,
Speaker 1: and I kind of glaze over that. But the first
Speaker 1: time I went through that was almost died. Went to
Speaker 1: the ICU for four days got out started phase first
Speaker 1: phase all day also started first base all over again.
Speaker 1: Day one went through first base again, made it through
Speaker 1: hell week, and then ended up getting dropped to starting
Speaker 1: all over again. But again my thing was this is
Speaker 1: it all or nothing? And I'm sure I was saying
Speaker 1: for you and other guys who have made it, you know,
Speaker 1: this is it. There is no there is nothing else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all or nothing. It's awesome. Yeah, but I mean it
Speaker 1: paid off for you. I mean you got your tident,
Speaker 1: you went onto the teams. Yeah, when all of the
Speaker 1: teams had a great career. Man um loved it. Dude,
Speaker 1: got to go overseas, kick down doors and operate, you know,
Speaker 1: do all kinds of crazy stuff. You know that. I
Speaker 1: never thought I was a human guy, and so not
Speaker 1: only was I, you know, a door kick, I was
Speaker 1: a medic as well. So not only would that get
Speaker 1: a chance to kick down doors and do cool stuff,
Speaker 1: but I also got a chance to do like, you know,
Speaker 1: intelligence type stuff, stuff that I never thought I would
Speaker 1: be able to do, you know, stuff with with you
Speaker 1: know that would that were connected to federal agencies and
Speaker 1: government agencies, you know, And here I am, this kid
Speaker 1: from the hood. I mean in rooms with government of
Speaker 1: you know, government officials, government agents, and they're asking me
Speaker 1: questions about sources or formants, whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 1: and I'm answering them and I'm articulating myself in a
Speaker 1: way that that that that that that they can receive,
Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, it was this dream world. Man,
Speaker 1: it was his dream life for me. Man just seven
Speaker 1: and a half years and the team who I did
Speaker 1: a total of thirteen and thirteen years in military, seven
Speaker 1: and a half was in the teams and uh and yeah,
Speaker 1: and I loved it. Remy. Let me let me ask
Speaker 1: you this question. I've asked this to um, you know
Speaker 1: people I know African American CIA officers before, and I'd
Speaker 1: like to ask you this since you said you worked
Speaker 1: in doing intelligence, being a black dude in the Middle
Speaker 1: East working Afghanistan or Iraq, I don't know where you were, Like,
Speaker 1: how did that did that play in your favor? Did
Speaker 1: it play against you as far as your job and
Speaker 1: working with sources and things like that? My favorite of
Speaker 1: my favorite And I kind of touch on the funny
Speaker 1: break for that up because I be touched on that
Speaker 1: in my book. And I think you know a few reasons. One,
Speaker 1: most of the people that I dealt with in other countries,
Speaker 1: you know, informants. I'm just going to use that terms
Speaker 1: for the sake of just keeping it clean. Um, they
Speaker 1: never saw a black guy do my job. So automatically,
Speaker 1: when I would walk into a room, it was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is cool. I've never seen this before, like all
Speaker 1: the guys I've met before. Then you know, white bearded guys,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, who is this cat
Speaker 1: um so, so, you know, just the uniqueness of me
Speaker 1: stepping into the room seeing something fresh help me. And
Speaker 1: then another thing that helped me tremendously was the fact
Speaker 1: that I felt like I could really identify with a
Speaker 1: lot of the lot of the informants that I work with.
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is I grew up
Speaker 1: in the inner city. You know, I grew up in
Speaker 1: the streets, you know what I'm saying. And when you
Speaker 1: grow up in the places like the Bronx, Compton, South
Speaker 1: Side of Chicago, all of these places, there is a
Speaker 1: level of street knowledge that you gain that you can't
Speaker 1: gain anywhere else, right, And so just being having a
Speaker 1: background that I had it really helped me to really
Speaker 1: read people the way I had to read people. It
Speaker 1: really helped me to tell whether somebody was telling the truth,
Speaker 1: whether somebody wasn't. Like all of these different things and
Speaker 1: another thing that made me do, especially as a black man,
Speaker 1: like you know, there were a lot of things that
Speaker 1: I dealt with, you know that, you know, especially in
Speaker 1: the education system, which I also touched on the book.
Speaker 1: You know, just not receiving what what I should which
Speaker 1: should have received from educational standpoint because it's the inner city,
Speaker 1: or having certain things held back for me because I
Speaker 1: grew up in the inner city, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And so when I was dealing with a lot of
Speaker 1: these people, they had all these conflicts that they were
Speaker 1: dealing with for the most part. So and I don't
Speaker 1: know if this makes sense, I felt like I can
Speaker 1: identify sure that makes sense, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It was that it was that common ground. I'm an
Speaker 1: African American in America. I grew up in this inner city,
Speaker 1: in this environment. You are in this very hostile environment
Speaker 1: in this country, whatever country I want to say, the
Speaker 1: country is up been in, but you were in this
Speaker 1: very hostile environment. You you live in this very hostile
Speaker 1: environment and because I come from a hostile environment YouTube,
Speaker 1: I could I get a why with you. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean people people Iraqi, people in Missoul or Ramadhi or
Speaker 1: Fulujha wherever. I mean, they are on the streets hustling
Speaker 1: in a way that you know, for sure myself could
Speaker 1: not understand. I mean I've never lived that kind of life, no, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And so that that, I mean, that helped me tremendously.
Speaker 1: Another thing to help me big time that that I
Speaker 1: signed out, you know, and especially the country that I
Speaker 1: worked in, was how a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: like Middle Easterners, and specifically in the countries I've worked in,
Speaker 1: they know all about like the Black Arts. Yes, what
Speaker 1: I mean about that is they know about Adie Murphy.
Speaker 1: They know about like, uh, Martin Lawrence. They know like
Speaker 1: they watched these TV shows over there or DVDs like
Speaker 1: they like I remember doing me these days and uh.
Speaker 1: And the coolest thing about it was I learned how
Speaker 1: to use that. I learned how to you know, use
Speaker 1: that in a way to connect with them. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: these guys like Eddie Murphy, they watched they watch these
Speaker 1: TV shows, Martin Lawrence and stuff like that. I'm going
Speaker 1: to act like that to really build more commons round.
Speaker 1: And I would literally act like a black median sometimes
Speaker 1: and I would and they couldn't understand anything I was saying.
Speaker 1: And just like they couldn't understand a lot of what
Speaker 1: they watched, but you know they're watching it with Arabic subtitles, right,
Speaker 1: so they were watching me would just laugh last. So
Speaker 1: I would come to the road up, what's up, cracking up,
Speaker 1: and they just be laughing. And I would go on
Speaker 1: with this thing for a while. Somebody would look out
Speaker 1: and be like, man, I don't know, that's stupid, why
Speaker 1: are you doing it? But in reality, dude, that is
Speaker 1: soften them so much that by the time it was
Speaker 1: time to talk business, they were just like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's what's up. Because I had built this relationship through
Speaker 1: this common ground. You know, it's so awesome. We had
Speaker 1: an interpreter with us who was an American citizen, but
Speaker 1: he was from Sudan, and I initially I was like, man,
Speaker 1: how's this going to play out? Like I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe I'm just like culturally unaway. This was
Speaker 1: an Iraq. But actually they loved him. They thought he
Speaker 1: was amazing, like he was this black dude with dreadlocks,
Speaker 1: like they were fascinating at him. They thought he was great,
Speaker 1: and they called him. His name was Corey. They called
Speaker 1: him Corey JABORI oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they loved him.
Speaker 1: What do you think? What do you think not just
Speaker 1: the seal teams, but what do you think the special
Speaker 1: operations community can do a little bit better as far
Speaker 1: as you know, appealing to African Americans or other minority
Speaker 1: groups to get uh, you know, get these folks into
Speaker 1: our ranks. I think it's a few things. I think One,
Speaker 1: I think it starts with education. And I think it
Speaker 1: starts with education not at just at the senior year
Speaker 1: of high school. I think it starts to you know,
Speaker 1: educ EXPO might say education also made exposure um at
Speaker 1: an elementary school level, like you know, help kids and
Speaker 1: then allowed kids in the city to know that this exists.
Speaker 1: Like maybe you know when I was when I did,
Speaker 1: like I think it was like six months or not
Speaker 1: even his months, like three months helping out with the
Speaker 1: recruiting department and its w recruiting department and notices. We
Speaker 1: would always go to suburban areas. We would go to
Speaker 1: the beach. We would we would do these big events
Speaker 1: at like Huntington's Beach on the beach with all of
Speaker 1: these lifeguards, right, all these these lifeguard trainees, These kids
Speaker 1: who going to be lifeguards are like thirteen, fourteen, eleven
Speaker 1: years old and they're training to swim and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And the reason why they would target it was because
Speaker 1: they're swimming background. And I was like, Yeah, that's awesome,
Speaker 1: but what about going to the art what about going
Speaker 1: to like, you know, these other areas and exposing these kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah they may not have a swimming background, but what
Speaker 1: if we what if we bring them to a pool?
Speaker 1: You know? So I think stuff like that. I also
Speaker 1: think um um education as far as I blame it
Speaker 1: on the schools too, you know. And the reason why
Speaker 1: I say that because I go to any time I
Speaker 1: get invited to school, go over the time to speak.
Speaker 1: But nine percent of the schools like get invited to
Speaker 1: come speaking are suburban schools. Right as far as inner
Speaker 1: city schools, it is extremely hard for me to get
Speaker 1: into an inner city school. I don't know, literally, I
Speaker 1: was in the Bronx last week too, wasn't last week?
Speaker 1: Schools wouln't let me come in my high school wouldn't
Speaker 1: let me come in like that, Like the news came
Speaker 1: into the story on me and we had to stay
Speaker 1: outside of the high school. They wouldn't allow us. That
Speaker 1: you can't come in. And that's not the first time
Speaker 1: that happened. I went to deal with I went to
Speaker 1: deal with Clay High School two years ago after the Transformers.
Speaker 1: You know, I was like, hey, you know, Paramount was
Speaker 1: trying to set up a thing for me to go
Speaker 1: speak to all the students, to share my story and
Speaker 1: share had a good ride. No, you can't come into
Speaker 1: the school. And I find that with so many inner
Speaker 1: city school there are these restrictions that keep people from
Speaker 1: coming in. Now whose fault that is, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but that needs to change. So, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's the fault of the board or whatever,
Speaker 1: but if again, if kids are not being exposed to it,
Speaker 1: they and they don't know about it, you know, and
Speaker 1: then you know, another thing, another fix is again I
Speaker 1: keep going back to education, but education in general. I
Speaker 1: have a buddy of mine, he's a recruiter in Philadelphia
Speaker 1: in the bud and he calls me up and he
Speaker 1: tells me, remy, like I can't get none of these
Speaker 1: kids in the Navy or the army. I say, why,
Speaker 1: he said, because none of them could pass the ADS
Speaker 1: that test. None of them can pass the basic ADS
Speaker 1: that test. And I go to the school and I
Speaker 1: see what they're learning and how they're being taught, and
Speaker 1: the books they have and the resources are lacking, Like
Speaker 1: that's why they can't read at a senior high school level.
Speaker 1: And so the education system really needs to be ramped up,
Speaker 1: revamped across the country within inner cities. And so because
Speaker 1: if you can't, if you if you could just pass
Speaker 1: the AS that test, that's not enough to go soft.
Speaker 1: You know that in order to go soft, you gotta
Speaker 1: have really high AS that scores. So so yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I don't I think that that's that thing? And then
Speaker 1: what I did? You know, one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: I write a book, wrote the book, this is one
Speaker 1: of the main reasons why I wrote the book was
Speaker 1: you know a lot of a lot of white seals
Speaker 1: of written books. You know what I'm saying, and no drama,
Speaker 1: no spat on my back, And I know that there's
Speaker 1: there's there's beefoot dudes who write books and and and
Speaker 1: that's why for a long time, I didn't want to
Speaker 1: write a book. Like it took years for me to
Speaker 1: finally come in terms of what writing a book. And
Speaker 1: I just knew that if I wrote a book, it
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna be strictly it wasn't gonna be a Navy
Speaker 1: Seal book in the essence of what a Navy seal
Speaker 1: book is. Not knocking any Navy seal book. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a journey book, and it's gonna be a book
Speaker 1: where a kid from the inner city can pick up
Speaker 1: read and be like wow, like this dude came from
Speaker 1: where I came from and he became a seal. I
Speaker 1: could become with you. And that kind of goes to
Speaker 1: the exposure thing. I wanted to expose kids to who
Speaker 1: come from my world to my new world so that
Speaker 1: they can see it and have hope that they can
Speaker 1: do it. If that makes sense. Yeah, and what what
Speaker 1: you're saying, I mean, we've touched on it before. It
Speaker 1: definitely is an issue in the Special Operations community of
Speaker 1: it looking like a monolithic you know, at least just
Speaker 1: visually I think it is. But I mean, Dennis and
Speaker 1: I will get Remy's picks from the Navy before we
Speaker 1: started this, and I think it's a picture of your
Speaker 1: buds class and it is literally all white face, and
Speaker 1: then you yeah, yeah, and that's the way it is
Speaker 1: every class. I mean, well, well, let me be afraid
Speaker 1: that that's the way it is some classes. Most classes,
Speaker 1: it's all white. Like like literally you probably get maybe one,
Speaker 1: if you're lucky, to black graduates a year, and we're
Speaker 1: talking five graduating classes of a year. I think another
Speaker 1: part of it might be, Um, you know, you're you're
Speaker 1: a New Yorker, so you know about this. There has
Speaker 1: been a history of more white firefighters and I've read
Speaker 1: I've read articles about that, and it has to do
Speaker 1: with like the legacy thing of this guy's father is
Speaker 1: a firefighter and his father was a firefighter, and they
Speaker 1: learned about it, you know, earlier on We've had guys
Speaker 1: on the show before, like frewman Terius, who's Navy seal.
Speaker 1: His father is a name, he's a third generation his
Speaker 1: grandfather was a Navy seal, and and you know that
Speaker 1: holding onto that legacy thing, it's it's hard to you know,
Speaker 1: get into new communities and get new faces in the program.
Speaker 1: And as you said, like there's certain things that are
Speaker 1: advantageous to not looking like everybody else. Yeah, let me
Speaker 1: ask you a question. When you say that, do you
Speaker 1: mean like that is you put the burden on the
Speaker 1: community or you put the like I just want to
Speaker 1: I just want I could tackle tackle. So you're saying
Speaker 1: that the legacy thing is because it's the father who
Speaker 1: teaches the son and that's why the son becomes a seal.
Speaker 1: Or is it because are you saying that because the
Speaker 1: father was a seal, he's able to, you know, do
Speaker 1: some work within the seal teams to make sure his
Speaker 1: son gets into the seal team. I would say that
Speaker 1: from the firefighters standpoint. I would say that makes sense.
Speaker 1: From a firefarers standpoint, Oh, like dad was a firefighter.
Speaker 1: Hey man, you know, go speak to work in this
Speaker 1: department to give me in it. I think in the
Speaker 1: firefire department, but it teams. I think it's different because
Speaker 1: I would think it's that. I would think it's a
Speaker 1: combination of both. But you know, I'm the guy here
Speaker 1: who hasn't served, so I wouldn't know about that thing.
Speaker 1: But you you even think of like legacy political families?
Speaker 1: Why are there so many Kennedy's and government and Clinton's
Speaker 1: you know, because people can pull some strings and guessing
Speaker 1: what you're saying is with the Seals, it's not exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they still have to pass buds regardless,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's more like you know, you're you
Speaker 1: have like like you were saying, Remy, like there's that
Speaker 1: educational process because they know all about the Seals because
Speaker 1: their dad was in the Navy. Yeah. No, I agree that,
Speaker 1: And that's why I was getting like, like, I agree
Speaker 1: with you. It's an education thing more so for a legacy.
Speaker 1: But as far as when you go to bud, they
Speaker 1: don't matter who you are. I haven't seen dudes and
Speaker 1: buds who dads. We were with Seals and they got
Speaker 1: dropped as fast as I say performers dropping not performing,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, and that's what you know.
Speaker 1: People ask I had a question last night, man, hey,
Speaker 1: d are the Seal Coms racist? Like do they do
Speaker 1: they treat like black dudes different like or anything like that?
Speaker 1: And honestly, then, like I'll just speaking. I can speak
Speaker 1: from experience because I've been here and I've done that.
Speaker 1: I don't think so in any way, you know, because
Speaker 1: the way the way the teams have been from my
Speaker 1: experience is I don't care whether you're white, black, whatever.
Speaker 1: Can you do your job? Like? Can you do your job? Like?
Speaker 1: Can you operate? You know what I'm saying. Like, And
Speaker 1: that's what I had experienced throughout my entire career. First,
Speaker 1: when you get the bucks, can you make it? I
Speaker 1: don't care if you black, white, Spanish, whatever. Can you
Speaker 1: hold your weight on your lock? And that's the way
Speaker 1: I was, dude, Dude, I kicked the bunches. I was
Speaker 1: a savage, and but I was I would make guys
Speaker 1: quit like instructors would make guys quit, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Because I wanted you to perform. It's either
Speaker 1: you can perform and you couldnot. And that's one thing
Speaker 1: I always loved about the Seal teams. At the end
Speaker 1: of the day, that's what it boils down to. Can
Speaker 1: you perform and can you not perform? That's it. So
Speaker 1: post military career, you got into acting and got a
Speaker 1: smaller role in the Transform Rich movie, and now you
Speaker 1: have another role in a in a future Michael Bay movie.
Speaker 1: I want to hear about how that all happened. Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: like literally I was minding my own business, dude, I
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to like get into acting, people asked, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't try and get a kind
Speaker 1: of came knocking on my door. I was in grad
Speaker 1: school writing papers, um um, and my phone rate literally
Speaker 1: and this woman was on the line and she was
Speaker 1: just like, hey, I welcome Michael Day, like he's looking
Speaker 1: for some money. With your background with the former Seal,
Speaker 1: African Americans, do like you know Day on set? You
Speaker 1: know we we we want to make sure that it's
Speaker 1: a diverse set. And I was like, yeah, cool, and
Speaker 1: she said send her pictures. I send her pictures. Next
Speaker 1: day I'm on set and that was just supposed to
Speaker 1: be one day. But then she hits me up two
Speaker 1: weeks later. Hey, they like your direction and that's way
Speaker 1: you could take direction. Can you come back for three weeks?
Speaker 1: I said sure. Then I got bumped to a principal
Speaker 1: role and I stayed on until the film rep. And
Speaker 1: then that's how I got into it. Like literally, I
Speaker 1: was not trying to be an actor, and that's what
Speaker 1: opened up the doors for all this stuff that just
Speaker 1: based second second from my just finished with. But I've
Speaker 1: done a bunch of TV work, commercial work. It's an
Speaker 1: endorsement deal with Jockey and and it all came from
Speaker 1: that one ende. That's super cool. I mean, is is
Speaker 1: that something you? I take it? You intend to pursue
Speaker 1: and continued an acting career. You know, I'm not I
Speaker 1: want to say pursue. No, I'm a writer. You know.
Speaker 1: My thing is, I'm a writer. Um. I was actually, Uh,
Speaker 1: I wrote my book by myself and then have a
Speaker 1: ghost right out there. I have a co writer. I
Speaker 1: sat and put tend to paper because I have a
Speaker 1: background of writing and uh, and then that that kind
Speaker 1: of gave me the confidence to write films. So I
Speaker 1: actually was at a meeting I guess it was a
Speaker 1: major studio here in Hollywood. They're interested in in some
Speaker 1: in a film that I wrote. And so so I'm
Speaker 1: a writer. Uh. If somebody comes knocking on my doors
Speaker 1: and they we want to pay you X amount of
Speaker 1: dollars to act in the film. But but my thing is,
Speaker 1: I like the I like the concept of creating content.
Speaker 1: You know, I like creating. I love telling stories and
Speaker 1: so um, you know that's that's what I'm really pursuing now,
Speaker 1: you know, writing film producing films. Um, I might sign
Speaker 1: a deal with this big studio and will I'll be
Speaker 1: able to just produce and works under the banner and
Speaker 1: everything goes well and uh and so yeah, man, that's
Speaker 1: that's that's when I'm at there. It's awesome. Remy, let
Speaker 1: me lee just ask you. You were the fifteen year
Speaker 1: old kid uh inflatuated with the Navy seals and you
Speaker 1: know you went on and you became one served there
Speaker 1: for what did you say, like thirteen years? Fifteen years,
Speaker 1: thirteen years in the Navy? What was it everything you
Speaker 1: hoped for? Absolutely? Absolutely know it was it was I
Speaker 1: mean for me, it was that it was, um, it
Speaker 1: was everything, man, and and you know it's it helped
Speaker 1: me become a man, dude. You know so because especially
Speaker 1: not having a father, um, you know, and trying to
Speaker 1: figure out what it means to be a man and
Speaker 1: trying to figure out like integrity and you know, all
Speaker 1: of these principles that you get in the Navy and
Speaker 1: then you get even more in the seal teams. You know,
Speaker 1: it was everything and more, dude, like the best job
Speaker 1: I've had. You know, it's set me up for my future.
Speaker 1: It helped me get my education, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: so yeah, absolutely you said you were writing papers in
Speaker 1: grad school. You're getting your degree. I finished, So I finished.
Speaker 1: I got my master's back in Uh. I want to
Speaker 1: say seventeen, I graduated that my masters an organizational strategy.
Speaker 1: You're a badass, dude, Remy, I'm not afraid to say. Uh. Man,
Speaker 1: I just you know, my thing is do when I
Speaker 1: leave this world, I want to know that I've exhausted
Speaker 1: every part of this freaking shell called my body. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And that's just how I try
Speaker 1: to live my life. You know what I mean. Every
Speaker 1: day is a blessing, and you know, I just I
Speaker 1: just want to I just want to push it to
Speaker 1: the max and see what I could do and be
Speaker 1: open to to to other opportunities, you know, the other
Speaker 1: unexpected opportunities. I never want to look back on my
Speaker 1: life and say, dude, you did You didn't take that
Speaker 1: day and crush it. You didn't take that day and
Speaker 1: give it absolutely everything. You know. My thing and this
Speaker 1: is something I get from being a soft man's excellence.
Speaker 1: You know, you know there's a standard where you could
Speaker 1: just check the box and go about your business, or
Speaker 1: there's excellence where you can push past the standard to
Speaker 1: really you know, accomplish your goal or your dream, and
Speaker 1: my thing is every day I'm trying to smash the
Speaker 1: standard and just strive excellence. Well said Man. The book
Speaker 1: is once again transformed in Navy seals unlikely journey from
Speaker 1: the throne of Africa to the streets of the Bronx
Speaker 1: to find all odds pick it up. It's getting high
Speaker 1: praise from not only friends of the show like Scott McEwen,
Speaker 1: but I saw Kathie Lee Gifford and that's a pretty
Speaker 1: big endorsement there, like a legend in the broadcasting world. UM.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you something completely off topic of
Speaker 1: your book, just because it's in the news. Anytime we've
Speaker 1: had a Navy Seal on I like to at least
Speaker 1: get their opinion because it's in their wheelhouse. Um, as
Speaker 1: you probably saw over the weekend, Trump is hinting at
Speaker 1: a possible pardon of not only several people accused of
Speaker 1: war crimes, but Chief Eddie Gallagher. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: hear your take, whatever it is, on that whole situation. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know what, here's how I'll frame it. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give my opinion on it. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna say. Here's how he's Here's what I'll say. First
Speaker 1: things First, you know what I mean. I'm a human
Speaker 1: before I'm absolutely anything. You know what I mean. And um,
Speaker 1: I was in buzz with Eddie. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I got mad love for Eddie. I got mad
Speaker 1: love to Eddie. I got love for his family, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like I know he's a seal,
Speaker 1: I'm a seal. You know what I'm saying. What I
Speaker 1: will say is that if what he did is true,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, so I'm not saying I know
Speaker 1: because you know what I mean. My thing is, you
Speaker 1: can't just do crazy stuff, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's my thing. There consequences of actions if what he said,
Speaker 1: if what if? What if the allegations against him are true?
Speaker 1: And I don't care, And you know I'm sorry. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm a New York cat. I'm a straight cat. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm not gonna mix words. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You know, and people can come
Speaker 1: after me and say whatever they want to say, But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, when you look at the reality of it,
Speaker 1: if you're doing stuff that you shouldn't be doing. You
Speaker 1: need to read the consequences for it. Now, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's true because I wasn't there. And then
Speaker 1: then there's another piece to the whole thing. In the
Speaker 1: whole the other piece of the whole thing is and
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I hope it's not true, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And and so and another piece of this
Speaker 1: thing is there are other seals, is what they're saying
Speaker 1: A lot, you know what I mean. I think that
Speaker 1: this is a very complex situation, um because you got
Speaker 1: Steal saying he did X, Y and Z, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, And then you got his side of
Speaker 1: him saying he didn't do X, Y and Z. So
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not siding with anybody, but what I
Speaker 1: am saying, if that's true, you pay the man. If
Speaker 1: it's not true, then those who are bringing them at
Speaker 1: the accusations against him, they need to pay the man.
Speaker 1: And my thing is, if it's not true, you know
Speaker 1: what do you need a pardon for? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you didn't do anything wrong. And so my
Speaker 1: thing is, if you didn't do anything wrong, go fight
Speaker 1: the case. You know what I mean? Go fight the case.
Speaker 1: And so that's my thing. Again, I'm not looking at it.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not political at all, pally I'm
Speaker 1: an independent. I don't. I'm not a Democrat, I'm not
Speaker 1: a Republican, and I'm and I'm not for a reason
Speaker 1: because I don't like to be that's just over the years,
Speaker 1: you know, I had political affiliations over the years, you know,
Speaker 1: years ago, the Democratic, Republican, bouncing back and forth. But
Speaker 1: I'm independent. I chose that because I'd like to look
Speaker 1: at the overall situation and then make a determination based
Speaker 1: off of the overall situation. I don't like to be well,
Speaker 1: this side says this, or this means this, or this
Speaker 1: side says that. So this means that I'd like to
Speaker 1: look at the whole other thing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And so the whole of this thing that I'm looking
Speaker 1: at is it is what it is. If I don't
Speaker 1: care who you are, if you do something wrong, you
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta pay the man for it. If you
Speaker 1: didn't do something wrong and you're getting accused of doing
Speaker 1: something wrong, and then if the persons accusing you need
Speaker 1: to pay the man for it. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying because at the end of the day, a human
Speaker 1: is a human, you know what I mean. You can't
Speaker 1: just you just can't go around doing crazy stuff, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But I hope it's not true.
Speaker 1: You know, Like I said, I've been out of it.
Speaker 1: I've been out of the community for a long period
Speaker 1: of time, so you know, I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't read the Intel reports. I haven't been there.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. I don't know what's
Speaker 1: happening on the ground, ground, ground level. But you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, everybody needs to do
Speaker 1: the right thing, period. Thanks for playing that honest right man,
Speaker 1: you know, for what it's worth. I tend to agree
Speaker 1: with you. And you know, I hope the truth and
Speaker 1: the facts of the case come out, and you know, hopeful,
Speaker 1: hopefully it is all false. Hopefully it is all nonsense.
Speaker 1: I would I don't want to believe this is true
Speaker 1: about you know, a seal or any American troop. You know, yeah, no, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And again I just hate when people are like, well,
Speaker 1: because you used to say this because of where you
Speaker 1: come from, or or because of your affiliation, like you
Speaker 1: have to say this, you have to say, you know,
Speaker 1: screw to these people for whatever. They shouldn't be supporting
Speaker 1: this personally. They should be supporting this person blah blah,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Like I'm not you know, that's that's
Speaker 1: not my thing. So you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: know cats might be hot to me for saying what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, But at the end of the day, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, You've got to look at the
Speaker 1: situation as a whole, take a step back and say,
Speaker 1: you know, let's look at the facts and take it
Speaker 1: from there. And again I'll reiterate, I'll reiterate, like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you what I would do.
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna speak on his situation because I
Speaker 1: get it. I've got like in the book straight up,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of People ask me all the time, Rendy,
Speaker 1: you're not scared you're gonna go to federal present for
Speaker 1: the stuff you did back in the day that you
Speaker 1: talk about in your book. And what I said to
Speaker 1: them is I put I knew that I can get
Speaker 1: I could potentially get in trouble for the stuff I did.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like, I know that the
Speaker 1: potential is there. But I made a conscious decision to
Speaker 1: do it because I wanted the title the book is Transformed,
Speaker 1: and I wanted people to see the runess of who
Speaker 1: I was so they can see that, yeah, I made mistakes,
Speaker 1: but I still have potential. And not only that I
Speaker 1: make mistakes. I sassed up to my mistakes, and I'm
Speaker 1: telling you this is what I did. You understand what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And so if something, if somebody comes out
Speaker 1: to me for anything, I'm gonna be like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't I told you I did it. And if somebody says, hey, man,
Speaker 1: we don't give you a partner, like, let's go do
Speaker 1: the case, you know, like like and again, I don't
Speaker 1: understand the whole part of things. So the way I'm
Speaker 1: interpreting it is the pardon is is essentially saying that
Speaker 1: we're gonna just drop the whole case together. Is that
Speaker 1: the case is? That? Is that the way if he
Speaker 1: got a presidential pardon I believe, yeah, prior to going
Speaker 1: the trial. Yeah, okay, so this is probably that they're
Speaker 1: saying that the case is not even this is not okay.
Speaker 1: He's been having following he's been prosecuted and now after
Speaker 1: he's been prosecuted. Now he's gonna be um pardoned. This
Speaker 1: is not that right. This is he's not even finished
Speaker 1: the case yet. They're just shutting the case down and
Speaker 1: saying go free. Right. Yeah, I I believe so because
Speaker 1: the fellow Seal Dan Crunshaw made the statement today that
Speaker 1: he thinks this needs to go to trial prior to
Speaker 1: having any pardon. And that's what I'm saying. That's where
Speaker 1: I'm met. If you, if you're innocent, go do the case. Man,
Speaker 1: go do the case. Don't do the part of thing.
Speaker 1: Go do the case. Exonerate yourself exonerally. It's justself. Like
Speaker 1: I said, the reason why I referent my book is
Speaker 1: because I laid it out. You know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: this is what I did. I'm I'm fressed up to it.
Speaker 1: I did it. I don't agree with it. I don't
Speaker 1: like it. Looking back. It was dumb, it was stupid.
Speaker 1: I should have never did it, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: sayin it made me who I am today. But I'm
Speaker 1: taking responsibilit now. If I didn't do it, Like if
Speaker 1: I didn't do that stuff, I'm like, let's go to court.
Speaker 1: Let's go to court. I didn't do it. They's proved
Speaker 1: me wrong, proved me, proved me right along, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, I think what we're in the
Speaker 1: same camp as you. And I was interested in hearing
Speaker 1: your take because just talking to Seals on the show,
Speaker 1: everyone from Jake's Wig to Kristen back to Rob O'Neil,
Speaker 1: they actually the three of them were pretty much in
Speaker 1: support of him, no matter what I would say. I mean,
Speaker 1: you go listen back to the interviews, and that was
Speaker 1: kind of their take. But then I hear the take
Speaker 1: of you, the take of Dan Crenshaw, and I think
Speaker 1: it echoes what we what we said that you'll hear
Speaker 1: at the intro of the show that what we need
Speaker 1: the facts to come out before there's a part. And
Speaker 1: I'd never tend to agree with you listen, and you know,
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't be careful how we use the word support.
Speaker 1: I support the cat. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm not like yo, screw him. See, And this is
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about brotherhood, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Because people throw that thing around all the time. Brother
Speaker 1: her brother, her brother, her brotherhood, and I'm not and
Speaker 1: I'm not associating this to at it at all. I'm
Speaker 1: associating this in the period period. If you're really my
Speaker 1: brother and I really care about you, if you're doing
Speaker 1: something wrong, I'm gonna pull your coat. Because I care
Speaker 1: about you, I'm gonna try and deal with it. If
Speaker 1: I'm not your brother, I'm going to just let it
Speaker 1: keep riding and let it escalate and get worse and
Speaker 1: get worse. So when we talk about support, you can't sit.
Speaker 1: And again, I'm not associating as to Eddie, So I
Speaker 1: don't want people to say support goes two ways. Man.
Speaker 1: Support is Yo, you did the wrong thing. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say you did the wrong thing. But I'm still here
Speaker 1: with you. How can we get through this together. I'm
Speaker 1: still visiting you. Let me break this down anymore. Dude
Speaker 1: likes to hustle with self drugs to If he's sitting
Speaker 1: in prison right now, I should be in prison with
Speaker 1: him because I was doing stuff with him. I love him,
Speaker 1: I support him, I call him, I put money on
Speaker 1: his books, I talked to him. I'm trying to sag
Speaker 1: him up when you get out of prison. But that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean i'm gonna say, yo, bro, you didn't do
Speaker 1: it when it's clear that you did it. He did it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like he did it, he
Speaker 1: knows he did. His video cameras of them doing when
Speaker 1: he did, they got him in prison. So for me
Speaker 1: to try and talked him on the phone and be
Speaker 1: like yo, man, like you didn't really do it, I
Speaker 1: can do I can't believe they're doing this to you.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah. This is jacked up. I'm
Speaker 1: making this cat delusional, you know what I'm saying, because
Speaker 1: now you're sitting there like man, yeah, like I probably
Speaker 1: didn't do it. Why they're doing this to me? This
Speaker 1: is jacked up. And Remy's even saying that you know,
Speaker 1: I'm innocent, this and that not and this. You know,
Speaker 1: I need to I need this fight, I need to
Speaker 1: do this. I need to do that when in reality
Speaker 1: is video tape dude of what you did. So me
Speaker 1: supported you. Ain't me saying you didn't do it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like like like we're boys, so
Speaker 1: because we're boys, I'm gonna be on your side and
Speaker 1: say we didn't you didn't do it. No, we supporting
Speaker 1: you is like yeah, I'm here for you. Bro, you
Speaker 1: know what you did. The court knows what you did,
Speaker 1: the jury knows what you did, the video camera knows
Speaker 1: what you did. And it sucks that you're sitting in
Speaker 1: the box for what you need. When you call me,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take your phone call. When your kids need,
Speaker 1: when your kids need food, when your kids need money,
Speaker 1: or the kids need help out with something. I'm sending
Speaker 1: the money, I'm taking care of. I'm taking care of
Speaker 1: what needs to be saying. I'm sending you books. I'm
Speaker 1: here when you get out so I can help you
Speaker 1: get on your seat. That support that's brotherhood cans be
Speaker 1: twisting up. And it can't be twisting up this whole
Speaker 1: brother thing. And you know what, it's the same kind
Speaker 1: of stuff that happens in the streets and people talk
Speaker 1: all that. Bro, Yo, come here, kids on the corner
Speaker 1: selling drugs and another cash like yo, the kid who
Speaker 1: selling drugs tells another kid, be my lookout, be my lookout.
Speaker 1: We brothers be my lookout, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And then the lookout as up sitting in the box
Speaker 1: because because the lookout gets caught or something happens. And
Speaker 1: now the dude like, but I don't know man. Again,
Speaker 1: main point, I know it might not be making sense
Speaker 1: I'm going on in tangible, but again, brotherhood is it
Speaker 1: goes two ways. It's not just yeah. I mean, well
Speaker 1: there's a there's a point where if we're not careful,
Speaker 1: a brotherhood becomes like a mafia or something like that.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think that's that's Yeah, that's that would
Speaker 1: be a great way of putting there. Yeah, that'd be
Speaker 1: a great way to put it. You know, another person
Speaker 1: another thing too for me. Then I'm a person of faith, man,
Speaker 1: I'm a Christian man. You know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm a person of faith. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And and going back to the whole human peace. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like you read with you,
Speaker 1: so you read with you so man, and you know
Speaker 1: you you I'm not associating this to anybody, and not
Speaker 1: say associating, just reality, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like even if if you
Speaker 1: do something wrong, there's you're gonna pay them. You're gonna
Speaker 1: pay the man for it. You know, the Lord's watching.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So I don't I'll be blood,
Speaker 1: blood and blaze right here. I don't I think that Trump.
Speaker 1: Let the case ride, Let it go to court. The
Speaker 1: man is innocent, which I hope he's innocent. Again that support.
Speaker 1: I hope he's innocent. Then let the court deal with it.
Speaker 1: The man is guilty, and all the evidence points to
Speaker 1: the man is guilty. Wrong is wrong. I don't care
Speaker 1: if you were trying it. I don't care if you
Speaker 1: were jump wings. I don't care who you are. And
Speaker 1: that's something that pisses me off about this case. Man
Speaker 1: like you, just because you wear a bird don't make
Speaker 1: you freaking superman when you could do whatever you want
Speaker 1: to do. So I hope the man is innocent. I
Speaker 1: hope for himself. I hope for his family. He got
Speaker 1: a wife and kids, you know what I'm saying. He
Speaker 1: got he got responsibility for the people overseas. I hope
Speaker 1: for the tried it, for the for the community, for
Speaker 1: the seal teams, everything. I hope the man is innocent.
Speaker 1: But if he ain't, Yeah, now I think you're you're
Speaker 1: right on. Uh. The last thing I wanted to bring
Speaker 1: up before we wrap this up, and this has been
Speaker 1: a great interview. Uh, you also have your own nonprofit
Speaker 1: City Hope. Now City Hope now dot org. Do you
Speaker 1: just want to tell the people what you're doing with that? Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: so City Hope is, uh city Hope now dot org is?
Speaker 1: You know, we It's just a way to get back,
Speaker 1: you know. UM, I grew up in an inner city.
Speaker 1: I grew without a father, and so I have you know,
Speaker 1: I live in southern California and the inner cities in
Speaker 1: southern California. And so what we do is three things.
Speaker 1: We deal with human trafficking UM. We deal with domestic
Speaker 1: violence UM victims. We put them in apartments of their
Speaker 1: husbands or boy friends or whoever are abusing them and
Speaker 1: they need to get away because they feel like their
Speaker 1: life is right. And we put them in apartment so
Speaker 1: that they could have a place to stay for a
Speaker 1: few days until they can get themselves on their feet.
Speaker 1: Could be more than a few days. And another thing
Speaker 1: we do is we do mentorship. So I have kids
Speaker 1: who are literally like my kids, you know, not like
Speaker 1: you know, blood, But I spend time with them. I
Speaker 1: go to their schools. When they get in trouble, I
Speaker 1: talked to the teachers. I tell the teachers give them
Speaker 1: another chance. I sit them down. I can't spank them,
Speaker 1: So I don't spank them, but you know, I just
Speaker 1: I just try to be a father figure to know,
Speaker 1: I try to gut them down the right path so
Speaker 1: they don't make the same decisions that I make, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And uh, And we also have
Speaker 1: out with food drives, you know, during the during the breaks.
Speaker 1: You know, some of these kids they don't have they
Speaker 1: don't have they don't have food for lunch, you know.
Speaker 1: So what we try to do is we try to
Speaker 1: provide food for them that could last for if they
Speaker 1: don't break for two weeks a week, so that they
Speaker 1: have food for lunch um as well. So there's a
Speaker 1: lot of things we do. I do talks and with
Speaker 1: me um. Yeah. We also provide financially for him and
Speaker 1: situations if they need, like like of the kids want
Speaker 1: to go to college but they can't afford you know,
Speaker 1: their their their college application fees or you know, stuff
Speaker 1: like that. We come alongside and help them. So it's
Speaker 1: just essentially being to them what I wish I had
Speaker 1: when I was the age. That makes sense, No, that's
Speaker 1: that's awesome. I mean I just want to say thank
Speaker 1: you so much for sharing your story with us today.
Speaker 1: And I hope that people will go out and you know,
Speaker 1: read your book and listen to this was just it's
Speaker 1: an awesome story. And I really appreciate you coming on
Speaker 1: here and laying some real talk on us today. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you. I'm sorry. But one when that came, no, no,
Speaker 1: not at all. What I mean, you know, if it
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense, you know, I mean I just sometimes
Speaker 1: when I'm passion about stuff or you know, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get things out of you could not No, man, No,
Speaker 1: not at all, not at all. Yeah, I think what
Speaker 1: you said did make sense. And also, to be honest,
Speaker 1: some of the people I've had on I don't really
Speaker 1: want to end of this issue too much. They just
Speaker 1: want to say I support Eddie, you know, and and
Speaker 1: they would agree with and I I get that. I
Speaker 1: just you know, when I saw, for example, Pete Hegseeth
Speaker 1: tweeting out and we talked about it or earlier in
Speaker 1: the show before we brought you on, just saying that
Speaker 1: Trump is a true war fighters president. To just throw
Speaker 1: out a pardon, I don't know. I think there needs
Speaker 1: to be people expand on that a little bit more,
Speaker 1: as you did. Um. The book once again is Transformers
Speaker 1: the uh sorry, the book once again is transformed and
Speaker 1: Navy seals unlikely journey from the throne of Africa to
Speaker 1: the streets of the Bronx, defying all odds. Remy is
Speaker 1: at Remy ad on Twitter and Instagram, which is at
Speaker 1: r E M I A D E L e K
Speaker 1: E once again City Hope Now dot org. Check it
Speaker 1: out and we appreciate you coming on that one really well. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I was actually glad that he expanded upon his
Speaker 1: feelings on that because I like to get other guys
Speaker 1: takes and I was totally on aware that he was
Speaker 1: in buds with Eddie Gallagher and then he knew the guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that was I mean, I think he laid
Speaker 1: on a lot of real talk and I think that, uh,
Speaker 1: he's right. I mean, there has to be like some
Speaker 1: self reflection. We have to look in the mirror, you know,
Speaker 1: ask ourselves about what's right and what's wrong. And and
Speaker 1: I agree with him, you know, hope hopefully Eddie Gallghert
Speaker 1: turns out to be innocent like that would make that
Speaker 1: would make my day because I'm like I've worked on
Speaker 1: a lot of these stories about bad things in the
Speaker 1: military and uh, it gets to you after a while.
Speaker 1: It's depressing. And if he was innocent, people are gonna
Speaker 1: go see Jack, even though that's not at all what
Speaker 1: you've been saying. Well, the other thing too, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to mention because the first half of this podcast,
Speaker 1: when we talked about the case and we talked about
Speaker 1: Ashley Massarow, this is like some really dark stuff with
Speaker 1: the military, right, But you have to contrast that with
Speaker 1: Remy's story and everything Remy was telling us about, you know,
Speaker 1: this incredible journey, this transformation he had, and that the
Speaker 1: military provided him with this amazing opportunity and he went
Speaker 1: on and did all these great things for our country.
Speaker 1: So gave him a total second chance to like yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: And so like I'm saying this almost on a personal
Speaker 1: level for myself because I end up dealing with some
Speaker 1: of these really dark subjects, um, things that that happened
Speaker 1: in the military that shouldn't have happened. Like you always
Speaker 1: have to take that and then remember all of the
Speaker 1: amazing people that you've met throughout the years in the military.
Speaker 1: And you know, the army or the military in general
Speaker 1: is a huge institution. Um, there are tons and tons
Speaker 1: of people in there. Some of them are bad people
Speaker 1: and you have to say what it is, what it is,
Speaker 1: but a lot of them are great people. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: we just have to keep we have to keep all
Speaker 1: this in mind. I would agree that there was one
Speaker 1: other thing I wanted to say about this case that
Speaker 1: I forgot to bring up at the beginning because you
Speaker 1: tweeted out what Dan Crnshaw said and I was looking
Speaker 1: at some of the responses and one of one of
Speaker 1: the guys said something that I've heard other people say
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to refute it. I don't remember
Speaker 1: who it was on Twitter, but they said, My problem
Speaker 1: is that the media is calling this man a war
Speaker 1: criminal before it goes to trial. Now, I don't know
Speaker 1: about you. I have not seen any article call him
Speaker 1: Eddie Gallagher war criminal. They will say he's accused of
Speaker 1: war crimes, and they they're purposely, even even if they
Speaker 1: are a slanted news outlet, they're not going to say
Speaker 1: that because they know that if he goes to trial
Speaker 1: and he's innocent, they could be sued for a lot
Speaker 1: of money. No, No, it's it's slanderous. No valid yeah, no,
Speaker 1: valid media sources gonna put their credibility on the line
Speaker 1: and call him war criminal. Even you know, when they
Speaker 1: mentioned O. J. Simpson, they say that he was on
Speaker 1: trial for murder, he was found in inappropriate and are
Speaker 1: responsible to say that, um, if not illegal. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I don't know where this guy is getting it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's I'm sure there's people on Twitter calling him a
Speaker 1: war criminal. There's people on Twitter say lots of things.
Speaker 1: But when people say when people say the media, I mean,
Speaker 1: what does that mean? Nowadays? We are the media because
Speaker 1: you could film something put it on Twitter. You remember
Speaker 1: when we had Carmen on and and Carmen was just laughing.
Speaker 1: He's like when people say the media, like, what the
Speaker 1: hell are they talking about? The media is like Seinfeld
Speaker 1: reruns like that's the media. I was gonna mentioned the
Speaker 1: same one thing because I think that is what he said. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but um yeah, and I guess you are a member
Speaker 1: of the media now. If you go out and you
Speaker 1: catch something on film and you put it on Twitter,
Speaker 1: it becomes news. Um, but there's no major news outlet.
Speaker 1: I'd like to see it. If so flat out calling
Speaker 1: him a war criminal, I have not seen that, and
Speaker 1: I highly doubt it's anywhere because every news outlet needs
Speaker 1: to cover their s and they are not gonna put
Speaker 1: their credibility on the line and also put their money
Speaker 1: on the line getting sued by putting a false accusation
Speaker 1: out there. This could very likely go to trial and
Speaker 1: he could be found completely innocent. So um, we'll see
Speaker 1: great interview. I think we had a discussion on some
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Speaker 1: If you go on the news rep dot com right now,
Speaker 1: you will find my full article about Special Forces Detachment A.
Speaker 1: It's like a three thousand, three hundred word article about
Speaker 1: the Special Forces soldiers who were stationed in Berlin during
Speaker 1: the Cold War and their primary mission was sabotage. In
Speaker 1: the event that the Soviet Union never invaded, they would activate.
Speaker 1: We interviewed a member on this podcast, Bob Arrest. If
Speaker 1: you go back in time, he was on here and
Speaker 1: he was a while ago. Um I interviewed at least
Speaker 1: two dozen members of Detachment A for in the course
Speaker 1: of writing that article. There's a ton of information in there,
Speaker 1: like stuff that I'll boggle your mind. It's awesome. UM.
Speaker 1: And I I bring it up because I previously published
Speaker 1: the redacted version of the article. UM. I had submitted
Speaker 1: it to um D o D Security Review at the
Speaker 1: request of the members I the former members of Dead
Speaker 1: A that I interviewed, did that. UM. They sat on
Speaker 1: it for months, and I threatened to publish it anyway,
Speaker 1: and they finally got back to me with their redactions
Speaker 1: and I was shocked because they took a hack saw
Speaker 1: to it. They they cut it, like half of it
Speaker 1: was redacted. So I published just the redacted version of
Speaker 1: the article through it up there. UM. In the meantime,
Speaker 1: I worked with a lawyer and I filed an appeal
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Speaker 1: for about two years, and they just got back to
Speaker 1: us last month and they said, well, you previously published
Speaker 1: this article or the redacted or the you know, the
Speaker 1: redacted form of the article, so UM, there's no point
Speaker 1: for us to review your article. So we're we're dropping
Speaker 1: the appeal after two years. So I was like, well, okay,
Speaker 1: they said it would serve no further purpose to review
Speaker 1: your article. So it's like, all right, so I published
Speaker 1: the full article and that's up there. Now. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's a very long article. I think, um, I think
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Speaker 1: They also got involved in counter terrorism, so they were
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