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Speaker 1: doesn't sound like a soundproof studio, deal with it. Uh.
Speaker 1: And the first thing I guess I'll mention is you
Speaker 1: were on brock Baldon yesterday talking about the release of
Speaker 1: the guy many of us know as Johnny GA John
Speaker 1: Walker Lynn, released from prison after sevent in years of
Speaker 1: working with the terrorists. Yeah, went in and did uh.
Speaker 1: CNN yesterday and I was on the phone with Jim
Speaker 1: West on my way in and why are you going
Speaker 1: on with those communists now? No, he was just like, uh,
Speaker 1: we're talking about where we were going because they moved.
Speaker 1: Their studio used to be in Columbus Circle. Now it's
Speaker 1: um in Hudson Yards, which is over by the Javit Center.
Speaker 1: And Jim's company that he works for built all that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he does a lot of you know, that's what he does,
Speaker 1: mainly construction. Yeah, and uh I went in there and
Speaker 1: I was like blown away it all. It looks like
Speaker 1: Blade Runner, like sci fi movie and where it's crazy
Speaker 1: like I am here to receive my neurological implants, you know.
Speaker 1: Step away from the camera, sir, so we can take
Speaker 1: your picture, you know, all that kind of stuff. There's
Speaker 1: like view screens, a lot of anime girls and and uh,
Speaker 1: it's all very like slick and high tech looking. Um,
Speaker 1: there's nothing. If you're a poor person or a regular
Speaker 1: normal guy like me, there's no way you would ever
Speaker 1: go shopping are by the way. Good thing I had
Speaker 1: to disclaimer about the NAT Room sound of New York. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: well it's okay. And I have been in legit soundproof
Speaker 1: studios quote unquote in New York City and you can
Speaker 1: still hear sound like it's almost impossible to soundproof his
Speaker 1: studio in this city. Maybe like Fox or Serious Sex.
Speaker 1: M there's a good job. Yes, Serious does, because they
Speaker 1: built like volts, you know. Um But anyway, Um, so
Speaker 1: it's it's actually a really like beautiful um complex that
Speaker 1: they've built over there, and it's cool to go and
Speaker 1: look at, but you're not going to be spending any
Speaker 1: money unless you have a lot of it. So it's
Speaker 1: like Perry Gucci. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's like a museum
Speaker 1: of handbags. You know, there's nothing I would ever be
Speaker 1: able to afford. But um, yeah, it's good to see
Speaker 1: Broke again. I haven't seen her in a few years
Speaker 1: because the last time I was on with her it
Speaker 1: was she was remote. She was in d C. And
Speaker 1: I was here in New York. Um. But anyway, we're
Speaker 1: talking about John Walker Lynn being released and he uh
Speaker 1: is was sentenced to twenty years. He's getting out it
Speaker 1: I think seventeen. He's getting paroled out for good behavior.
Speaker 1: The problem is that the dude still is radicalized apparently,
Speaker 1: and like I was reading today, um, he he had
Speaker 1: been corresponding with the producer at NBC News and in
Speaker 1: he was like, Yeah, isis is doing a good job.
Speaker 1: They're representing true Islam, the true form of Islam, and
Speaker 1: and this and that. He's saying, I was proud to
Speaker 1: participate in the Afghan Emirates, you know, jihad and play
Speaker 1: a part in that. So like, this dude is not
Speaker 1: a reformed jihadist by any means, Like he is still
Speaker 1: a zealot. And but I mean, what do you do
Speaker 1: with this cat? I mean, if if he hasn't broken
Speaker 1: any additional laws, he's serving his sentence, he's been uh
Speaker 1: you know, he hasn't been acting up in the joint,
Speaker 1: so you gotta let him go. Um, But there's so
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it's it's not a crime today
Speaker 1: riot to basically be a fan of there is no
Speaker 1: God but one God, and his name is It's weird though,
Speaker 1: because at the same time, Um, if you say things
Speaker 1: that that sound radical on Facebook, on social media, you know,
Speaker 1: they do surveillance of that type of stuff. So it
Speaker 1: depends to what extent do you say it. I guess
Speaker 1: you could say I support this, but you can't say
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill people. I'm gonna set off a bomb
Speaker 1: outside of courthouse and kill a bunch of civilians. That's
Speaker 1: when you start getting into But I wonder if if
Speaker 1: you put like, let's say a death to America type
Speaker 1: of thing on Facebook, could you get a knock on
Speaker 1: the door. You can get a knock on the door.
Speaker 1: I don't think you'll get arrested though. Um, but you're
Speaker 1: on a watch list for sure. Yeah. Yeah, that might
Speaker 1: do it. That might do it. Um. So I mean
Speaker 1: he's supervised, he's going to have like parole officers supervising him.
Speaker 1: He cannot travel overseas, he cannot access the internet. Um,
Speaker 1: he's not allowed to like own I guess electronic devices
Speaker 1: and communicate with people. But I mean, what I think
Speaker 1: is interesting with John Walker lynd and also with the
Speaker 1: guantanamobey detainees, is like our legal system still to this day,
Speaker 1: seventeen years later, just is not prepared to lack process
Speaker 1: these guys, Like we don't really know what to do
Speaker 1: with them. And I guess with John Walker Lynde, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to just like have an FBI surveillance van
Speaker 1: parked outside his house forever, like just in case he
Speaker 1: does something dumb, you know, And I mean people are like,
Speaker 1: why are we letting him out of jail. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: you kind of have to because he was subjected to
Speaker 1: do process and this is what this was his sentence.
Speaker 1: And I mean, yeah, I would prefer that he he's
Speaker 1: kept in prison because I don't think he's a good person.
Speaker 1: But I mean the laws law. I mean, I would
Speaker 1: understand both arguments, but yeah, you gotta go with you
Speaker 1: can't really go against the legal system something like that.
Speaker 1: I wonder if he was in any way capable of
Speaker 1: radicalizing anyone while he was in prison. That's a good question.
Speaker 1: Wasn't he like a super max? That's what I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's in Indiana. I don't know about the security he
Speaker 1: probably he probably had limited interaction with other prisoners because
Speaker 1: they will probably worry about that that. I mean, that
Speaker 1: goes back to a debate they've had about if they
Speaker 1: closed Guantanamo, what district prison would they put these people in,
Speaker 1: because they do worry about that same type of issue
Speaker 1: being a problem. And the issue with these people at
Speaker 1: GETM is like, you know, sometimes they're not like hardcore
Speaker 1: radicals when they go in but if you've been locked
Speaker 1: up for like eight years without a trial, you'll become one.
Speaker 1: You will be a radical by the time you get out,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I just know from following in
Speaker 1: the years of the whole debate on Guantanamo, it's been
Speaker 1: a very favorable thing, especially among the Democrats, to close
Speaker 1: down Guantanamo. But whenever they have the debate then of
Speaker 1: which district or we're gonna send these prisoners to, no
Speaker 1: one wants them. Understandably, they were gonna I mean, I
Speaker 1: remember when Obama was making moves to do that and
Speaker 1: they were gonna put them on. It was like down
Speaker 1: here in Manhattan Courthouse, they remember that, and it got
Speaker 1: shut down. I did see, by the way, some of
Speaker 1: course memes going around one I won't see who it is.
Speaker 1: A former writer for the site put up a meme
Speaker 1: of uh, you know US patriots being jailed, referring to
Speaker 1: Eddie Gallagher and you know traders being released from prison,
Speaker 1: and it shows John Walker Lante. It's just a pure
Speaker 1: populist appeal, like this is how I feel, this is
Speaker 1: how the world should be ordered, and that it is
Speaker 1: not ordered and it doesn't make sense like that is bad.
Speaker 1: Um Yeah, I was having a conversation with somebody similar
Speaker 1: today that you know, it's just pure populism, Like it's
Speaker 1: that kind of like down homie, aw shucks kind of
Speaker 1: common sense logic. I could see Trump saying something of
Speaker 1: that nature. Oh absolutely absolutely, Um yeah, any any other
Speaker 1: thoughts on it? I'm you know, just curious as to know.
Speaker 1: I mean, the only other thing I mean I would
Speaker 1: point out is we arrested, uh, we captured you know,
Speaker 1: John Lynde in uh, you know, the opening days of
Speaker 1: the war in Afghanistan, and at that time, nobody, nobody
Speaker 1: thought we'd still be an Afghanistan seventeen years later, and
Speaker 1: here this this dude served this prison sentence, is getting
Speaker 1: out of jail and we're still in Afghanistan, still fighting
Speaker 1: the same fucking war, like literally fighting the same war.
Speaker 1: Like we have not made any progress there. It's insane.
Speaker 1: Um alright, Well with that, unless you have anything else,
Speaker 1: we have Jeffrey Hess coming on. You know what else
Speaker 1: we can mention if we got a minute, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: do so, sidebar, sidebar. Uh. We had a previous episode
Speaker 1: where we interviewed Tom King, if you remember that former
Speaker 1: CIA officer who got out and has been writing for
Speaker 1: DC CO. Yeah, man, and like I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give some more real talk here, some real talk. Uh.
Speaker 1: Tom did an awesome job. I think the first like
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty issues of Batman like amazing. I like this, dude,
Speaker 1: it's gonna rocket like right through. He was scheduled to
Speaker 1: do a hundred comic books, a hundred Batman comics, Like
Speaker 1: this is awesome. He's the right guy, right, So he
Speaker 1: played up for like fifty issues Batman getting married to
Speaker 1: cat him in and then that like she she stands
Speaker 1: him up, and it's like totally anticlimactic and like it
Speaker 1: piste off a lot of readers. Then after that, Batman
Speaker 1: is sad for like fifteen twenty comic books. He is
Speaker 1: the same issue you had with The Punisher, Oh this
Speaker 1: TV series just being sad, just being beta, right, And
Speaker 1: like Batman is not a beta male, Like it's you know,
Speaker 1: he's sad and gloomy and stuff, but like he's not
Speaker 1: like you know, low ti like I'm feeling sorry for myself,
Speaker 1: you know. So like fifteen twenty comics of Batman feeling sad,
Speaker 1: and then the next like eight comics is he's trapped
Speaker 1: in a dream and and like probably like three or
Speaker 1: four weeks ago, I just dropped it, stopped. I stopped
Speaker 1: buying DC comics altogether. I was like, I'm saying, this
Speaker 1: is the guy you like. Yeah, yeah, he started off
Speaker 1: so strong, and I was just so disappointed. I just
Speaker 1: I was bummed out myself. I was like, these comics
Speaker 1: have become unreadable and like, I'm sorry, Tom, Like you
Speaker 1: did some great, great comics that I loved. Um he
Speaker 1: did some cool mini series stuff he did. Uh. He
Speaker 1: did this like swamp thing special that was super cool.
Speaker 1: He's a talented writer. But like, something came off the
Speaker 1: rails with Batman. I don't know what it was. I'd
Speaker 1: be curious to know if it was all his decision,
Speaker 1: because I'm sure there's people higher up that say, you
Speaker 1: gotta do this, you gottaeel. I'm sure that plays into it,
Speaker 1: but I really don't know. Um. So, the news that
Speaker 1: that broke yesterday is Tom King is being removed from Batman. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean that does suck because he's a good, good dude.
Speaker 1: Eighty Uh. He was scheduled to do eighty five issues
Speaker 1: and he was saying, like, the last fifteen issues are
Speaker 1: going to be the big reveal. It's gonna change Batman forever. Well,
Speaker 1: apparently someone at d C didn't like where he was
Speaker 1: going with it, because they're removing him at issue eighty five.
Speaker 1: Do we know where he's going on from there? Or
Speaker 1: he still has a contract with DC to write comic books,
Speaker 1: so he's probably just gonna work on other series. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'll continue following his work and I'm more
Speaker 1: than happy to read it. Um. You know, I think
Speaker 1: he's a good guy, talent, the writer. Um with the
Speaker 1: partner he works with sometimes, artist Mitch Gerard's who we
Speaker 1: also got on the show. Mitch is an incredible artist,
Speaker 1: and I would be excited to see them work together. Um,
Speaker 1: I'll take a look at whatever they work on, you know.
Speaker 1: But yeah, something went really south with Batman. I don't
Speaker 1: really know why he went in that direction, but it was.
Speaker 1: It was by the end of it. When I stopped
Speaker 1: reading the comics, like a few weeks ago, He's like,
Speaker 1: these are just unreadable, Like I can't read it, I
Speaker 1: can't even do it. Well, if we're covering some entertainment
Speaker 1: news before we get to Jeffrey, since we have a
Speaker 1: few minutes. I did see the New Terminator trailer. I
Speaker 1: don't know if either you guys did read in it.
Speaker 1: Uh no, no, no, you're thinking Transformers the New Terminator
Speaker 1: because he's oh, that's right, yeah, yeah, he was in
Speaker 1: Transformers and now he's doing another, um Michael bay film,
Speaker 1: but it's not it's not Transformers. But no, Arnold is back. Uh,
Speaker 1: Linda Hamilton's is back, and it looks pretty cool. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of the series, but there's nothing
Speaker 1: about this trailer that's like mind blowing. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see it. Regard list, what's the what's the
Speaker 1: plot of it? It takes place after the Apocalypse. Well,
Speaker 1: the thing is yet supposed to continue right after Terminator two.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna pretend that these other movies didn't happen.
Speaker 1: And um, James Cameron is attached to this one as well,
Speaker 1: not as the director, as the writer. So he's back.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think people feel like three and
Speaker 1: these others were a little lackluster. So we're gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna pretend they didn't happen, and we're gonna go right
Speaker 1: from there. Was like that movie, was it like Terminator Genesis? Yes,
Speaker 1: that was horrible, horrible and h Then the other thing is,
Speaker 1: I don't know if either of you guys have been
Speaker 1: fouling I I had spoke to you about it when
Speaker 1: it was season one. But Cobra Kai season two I
Speaker 1: absolutely have been loving. I'm still not finished with it.
Speaker 1: Have you watched The Dentists or I have not? But
Speaker 1: Ralph Maccio is the man, Billy Zabko is in it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love just the nostalgia of it and and how
Speaker 1: like UNPC it is, which is surprising. That's the new
Speaker 1: thing in Hollywood now, like what's old is new again?
Speaker 1: So they're like, but I mean if everything is over
Speaker 1: the top PC, and this is like this is the
Speaker 1: opposite of that. I'm really I'm really liking season two.
Speaker 1: But like I said, I still haven't finished it. But
Speaker 1: it's cool. I know you haven't watched that, you know what,
Speaker 1: what's what's on PC about it? I mean they just
Speaker 1: take shots at all different types of things and that
Speaker 1: Uh the character played by who am I thinking of
Speaker 1: the Cobra Kai guy, I don't remember his Williams Williams
Speaker 1: Z because the actor, yeah, he plays like I forgot
Speaker 1: his name. He just plays this old school guy who
Speaker 1: who's not afraid to be like this is pussy shit.
Speaker 1: This is you know, like Clint Eastwood, like yelling at
Speaker 1: the kids to get off his lawn. Yeah, but he's
Speaker 1: but at the same time, he's a likable character. They
Speaker 1: don't make him, uh like like this guy who's behind
Speaker 1: the times, but in a way they do. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you'd have to watch it, but it definitely goes against
Speaker 1: the whole PC thing of today. I've even seen comments
Speaker 1: from viewers, you know, on the videos of like, what
Speaker 1: I like about this series is it's not PC. It's
Speaker 1: not afraid to go against Yeah. That's what I liked
Speaker 1: about Grand Torino is that it's not PC at all. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It kind of tells at the same time this story
Speaker 1: of like this old white man like forming a relationship
Speaker 1: with these immigrants next door and you know how they
Speaker 1: formed this friendship, but also it's like it's real too.
Speaker 1: At the same yeah, this this is the same thing,
Speaker 1: and that it's a really diverse cast of kids and
Speaker 1: he says ship that you're not supposed to, but you know,
Speaker 1: he also forms like a great relationship with these kids
Speaker 1: and stuff. It also plays into the whole like stolen
Speaker 1: valor thing at one point because of his sense was
Speaker 1: coming back and he like inflates his whole history of
Speaker 1: what he did in the military, and the kids seemed
Speaker 1: to be up on it, where he's like where he'll
Speaker 1: mention a country and they're like, that's not where that's located,
Speaker 1: and they'll be like, well, I spent so much time
Speaker 1: in the sandbox that it all kind of messes together.
Speaker 1: You'd find that you find you remember that Simpsons episode
Speaker 1: where it turns out that principal Skinner is a stolen
Speaker 1: valor case. He was he was never a nam dude.
Speaker 1: That was like heartbreaking for me because he's always talking
Speaker 1: about how like, oh, they had me locked in a
Speaker 1: tiger cage for three months. I don't I don't remember
Speaker 1: that it was. It was this like old Simpsons because
Speaker 1: I it was it was old you know. I mean
Speaker 1: we were probably like in high school or something like
Speaker 1: that when it came out. Okay, because I did basically
Speaker 1: fall off at a certain point that the Simpsons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't watch it regularly, but when I
Speaker 1: see it on TV or when I'm like traveling or
Speaker 1: something and I see it, I watch it. It's funny,
Speaker 1: except that I don't think the new episodes have been
Speaker 1: I think it fell off. Really, I haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: And like I said, I see like maybe once a
Speaker 1: year of that. Yeah, same here, and then when I do,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, this doesn't this isn't like the classic days.
Speaker 1: But I when they cover mill house and bumper stickers,
Speaker 1: all right, Mummy's ready for his mystical journey and push
Speaker 1: him in the shopping cart down the hill. Um. All right. Well,
Speaker 1: with that, we covered some entertainment news unexpected believe it.
Speaker 1: That's what happens on this show. Sometimes we're gonna get
Speaker 1: over to Jeffrey hess author of No Salvation and Navy veteran,
Speaker 1: So we got in some entertainment news there. But we
Speaker 1: do have our feature interview as promised. We have Jeffrey
Speaker 1: hass Sonny here, who is a Navy veteran, the author
Speaker 1: of No Salvation and novel The novels inspired by the
Speaker 1: act full events from the U S. S. Kittie Hawk
Speaker 1: during Vietnam. The book takes place in nineteen seventy two,
Speaker 1: and the thing that it tackles that went on on
Speaker 1: the U. S. S. Kittie Hawk is the issue of
Speaker 1: racial tension that occurred at that time. Has also authored
Speaker 1: Beach Head, Cold War, Canew Club, and No Salvation, among
Speaker 1: some other titles. And we're happy to have you on
Speaker 1: and and talk about this great book. Hey, well, thanks
Speaker 1: a lot. I appreciate it's good to be here. I'm
Speaker 1: a big fan of the show. You guys are pros
Speaker 1: and I really like what you're doing. Thanks so much,
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Um. So for for the audience, you want
Speaker 1: to tell us maybe a little bit more about this
Speaker 1: book to get them refreshed on on what it's all
Speaker 1: about and what inspired the book. Oh sure, yeah. The
Speaker 1: elevator pitch is that No Salvation is largely about a
Speaker 1: race riot aboard an aircraft carrier in the South China
Speaker 1: Sea in nineteen seventy two, and the ship's first black
Speaker 1: executive officer must choose between his race and the navy
Speaker 1: and his effort to save all the board. And have
Speaker 1: you mentioned some of the reference ships like the Kitty
Speaker 1: Hawk for example, But in nineteen seventy two, there were
Speaker 1: a number of ships that we're having issues, not only
Speaker 1: racial issues, but issues of m sabotage and widespread drug use.
Speaker 1: And so what I kind of did was take took
Speaker 1: through a lot of research um and made kind of
Speaker 1: a standalone story about all these elements that were going on.
Speaker 1: Because I have nine characters, it's not just all race
Speaker 1: based material. So with the sabotage and the drug use
Speaker 1: and some suicide and some suspicious activity, it's all kind
Speaker 1: of interwoven and kind of a synthesis of the number
Speaker 1: of different things that were going on a number of
Speaker 1: different ships at that time. I know this is a novel, Jeff,
Speaker 1: but I'd really like to get into, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of what inspired it, because I feel like what you're
Speaker 1: talking about right now is a time and place in
Speaker 1: the military that the public knows nothing about. Uh. There's
Speaker 1: really like like post Vietnam War, the army it wasn't
Speaker 1: very bad shape, and there was stuff that happened in Germany,
Speaker 1: drug use, even murder that just got swept under the rug.
Speaker 1: I think, John Q. Public just has no idea how
Speaker 1: bad it really was. ' especially true you know overseas,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's on land or at sea, and
Speaker 1: that was really the case in seventy two. Again, you know,
Speaker 1: following on the heels of everything that was going on
Speaker 1: in America at the time, you know, with all of
Speaker 1: the civil rights movement and some of the unrest that
Speaker 1: was happening, it was kind of uh amplified aboard ship
Speaker 1: because you figure, you know, a ship is a pressure
Speaker 1: cooker and the best of circumstances. And then when you
Speaker 1: start thinking that these guys, and they were all guys
Speaker 1: back then, there were no women on ships back in
Speaker 1: seventy two, uh, long periods of time without any type
Speaker 1: of recreation, no port visits, just all work, all pressure,
Speaker 1: all the time. And then of course you throw in
Speaker 1: the race issues, then you throw in the the drug usage,
Speaker 1: and it just was it's a powder keg and waiting
Speaker 1: to go off. And that's kind of what I was finding.
Speaker 1: And you asked how how it came about. I was
Speaker 1: doing this research for a story collection that I was writing,
Speaker 1: Cold Work, New Club, as you might imagine, all about
Speaker 1: the Cold War, and so I kind of stumbled across
Speaker 1: information from the New York Times and some uh congressional
Speaker 1: reports about incidents that took place in nineteen two, and
Speaker 1: and I just I couldn't I couldn't resist it, so
Speaker 1: I had to include. I wrote one story for the
Speaker 1: collection based on information that I found, but I knew
Speaker 1: I would have to come back to it. It was
Speaker 1: it was too rich of material. And there's two widespread
Speaker 1: events that took place that I knew I would have
Speaker 1: to write a novel about that. So when I finished
Speaker 1: a collection I got, I got right on it. And
Speaker 1: it's five years in the making. Um, And so it's
Speaker 1: it's just a story that, like you said, people just
Speaker 1: do not know enough about. What was the racial tension
Speaker 1: in the Navy at this time. Largely it was access
Speaker 1: to quality jobs was tough because a lot of the
Speaker 1: black service members were not trained, they were not skilled,
Speaker 1: and part of that was because the Navy didn't allow
Speaker 1: them to hold too many higher jobs on a widespread basis.
Speaker 1: They were, like the black executive officer obviously had training
Speaker 1: and the opportunity to fly planes and become an officer
Speaker 1: and then of course an executive officer. However, a lot
Speaker 1: of the enlistment of requirements were lowered at that time
Speaker 1: because again it's Vietnam era, and so a lot of
Speaker 1: the enlistees were given a choice of military or jail.
Speaker 1: And with that, you know, the judge given that type
Speaker 1: of sentence, they figured that they would go in the
Speaker 1: navy they thought it might be safer, and so that happened,
Speaker 1: and you had a lot of unhappy and disenfranchised black
Speaker 1: sailors who were working in the ship's laundry, working in
Speaker 1: the galleys and below decks, and not not being treated
Speaker 1: fairly in their eyes, and so they they weren't happy.
Speaker 1: As you might imagine, pretty much wide spurt at that time.
Speaker 1: What were those incidents you mentioned that that inspired the novel.
Speaker 1: The incidents that I found in my research largely was
Speaker 1: the Kittie Hawk riot. That was one of the biggest
Speaker 1: ones that took place, and that was in October seventy two,
Speaker 1: but there was four days later there was one on
Speaker 1: the Hassa Yampa that took place as well that was
Speaker 1: kind of um not as widespread or as big, and
Speaker 1: not as publicized, but it's all in the same congressional reports.
Speaker 1: And then the Constellation had a demonstration at which they
Speaker 1: considered kind of an aborted mutiny. And so there was
Speaker 1: also you know, a huge fire on the USS for
Speaker 1: stall in that era UM and the Ranger had sabotage.
Speaker 1: They found paint scrapers and other metal in the gears.
Speaker 1: Uh the r scanny had collisions at sea, and again,
Speaker 1: all of these ships had pretty much wide spread drug
Speaker 1: use because drugs were so available, especially in places like
Speaker 1: the Philippines where a lot of these ships made port visits.
Speaker 1: And then of course, you know, suicide was kind of uh,
Speaker 1: it's always present aboard ship. But then um, the Navy
Speaker 1: also at that time had and they just actually ended
Speaker 1: it recently is the non judicial punishment of bread and
Speaker 1: water to where they could be uh it locked up
Speaker 1: in the brig for three days on nothing but bread
Speaker 1: and water. And of course that happened quite a bit.
Speaker 1: And so again the crew wasn't happy about that. When
Speaker 1: you say race Ryant on the Kiddie Hawk, like, how
Speaker 1: did that go down? Like what actually happened largely as
Speaker 1: as portrayed in the book, Um, one of the black
Speaker 1: sailors was so um upset and so angry that he
Speaker 1: kind of um, he wanted to get just lash out,
Speaker 1: just get revenge, just kind of um, take matters into
Speaker 1: his own hand. In my book, what it was was
Speaker 1: somebody that gave up somebody else's name to get somebody
Speaker 1: in trouble, and it involved the drug ring. So there's
Speaker 1: little bit of the intrigue, you know, I'm largely a
Speaker 1: crime writer, and so I was a little the crime
Speaker 1: writer military writer. They don't know which I am, so
Speaker 1: I'm kind of both. And so with that those two components,
Speaker 1: I found that it was it was more fun for
Speaker 1: me to imagine what it would be like and why
Speaker 1: this one guy would take matters into his own hands
Speaker 1: and instead of igniting the whole race, right, what he
Speaker 1: did was he was just going after one guy, but
Speaker 1: he had his buddies with him, and so his buddies
Speaker 1: kind of they overstepped, and so they kind of escalated things.
Speaker 1: And what happened actually on the Kittie Hawk, which happens
Speaker 1: in the book as well, these black sailors went into
Speaker 1: the white birthing spaces where white sailors were sleep because
Speaker 1: again this is a ship of over over four thousand men,
Speaker 1: and well it was self segregated. The Navy didn't mandate
Speaker 1: that would be segregated, but the black crew segregated themselves
Speaker 1: to the degree where they didn't want uh white authority
Speaker 1: coming down to police them. They wanted to have their
Speaker 1: own separate space. And so again that's that's in the
Speaker 1: book as well. And so the black sailors went into
Speaker 1: the white birthing spaces and just started yanking guys out
Speaker 1: of their racks and just pummeling them. And that kind
Speaker 1: of set off kind of a rolling effect throughout the ship.
Speaker 1: So there's fighting in the passageways, fighting in the birthing areas. Uh.
Speaker 1: And as the as Captain Porter says, uh, he was
Speaker 1: surprised that all of the casualties were white. Wow. And
Speaker 1: I mean, how did they eventually get it under control
Speaker 1: on the in the case of the Kitti Hawk and
Speaker 1: in no salvation largely Commander Porter steps up and he
Speaker 1: he was one that was kind of an Uncle Tom
Speaker 1: at the time, where he wasn't really accepted by the
Speaker 1: black crew. And again, out of a crew of of
Speaker 1: over four thousand, there were only three black men. So
Speaker 1: they were a vast minority aboard ship, and they had
Speaker 1: no real chance of succeeding if if the writing continued,
Speaker 1: But the captain also had access to the marine force aboard,
Speaker 1: who was armed and ready to freight fire if if
Speaker 1: need uh. And so in the book it kind of
Speaker 1: comes out that way. But I was trying to think
Speaker 1: of the last part of your question with the how
Speaker 1: they diffused the race riot. I mean, as you said,
Speaker 1: you're you're in a pressure cooker. It's on a ship.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's nowhere to go exactly. And largely what
Speaker 1: happened was Commander Porter in No Salvation, he ends up
Speaker 1: ingratiating himself with the crew by giving the black Power salute,
Speaker 1: and that was actually something that took place on on
Speaker 1: the Kittie Hawk as well, and it was too strong
Speaker 1: material not to use. And so he kind of proved
Speaker 1: his blackness, so to speak, by by demonstrating that black
Speaker 1: Power salute and then kind of showing that he was
Speaker 1: with them. But he wasn't a separatist in the way
Speaker 1: that it was one side versus the other. He wanted
Speaker 1: them to um demonstrate and convey their their concerns and
Speaker 1: their grievances in a calm and productive way, and that's
Speaker 1: kind of he allied them and was able to do that,
Speaker 1: but also with the threat of with the Marines, so
Speaker 1: it kind of coalesced into calumnists. It's, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: thankfully in a lot of ways, it's such a bygone
Speaker 1: era and there's probably younger people listening to this kind
Speaker 1: of thinking like what the hell. But I mean, you
Speaker 1: also have to consider this was Civil Rights movement era.
Speaker 1: You had all these black people who could not vote,
Speaker 1: could not participate in society, being drafted into the military
Speaker 1: to go fight you know what, many of them considered
Speaker 1: to be the white man's war. Um, And you can't
Speaker 1: necessarily blame them. I mean, in my opinion, if you
Speaker 1: can't vote, but you're being drafted into the military to
Speaker 1: fight in a war, I mean, that's basically slavery. What
Speaker 1: else would you call that? Well, I'm actually confused by
Speaker 1: your not being able to vote. They're all eighteen when
Speaker 1: they get drafted, so they'd be able to vote. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean pre Civil rights era. Well, actually black men
Speaker 1: have had to vote since the eighteen hundreds, right, yeah, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I just mean that some of the like Jim Crow
Speaker 1: Laws and some of the different types of oppression that
Speaker 1: was going on at the oppression, widespread oppression. Absolutely agree
Speaker 1: with the and and also around the time of Rosa
Speaker 1: Parks and all that. You know, so certain areas of
Speaker 1: the country not being able to have the same privileges
Speaker 1: privilege that's totally different to the subject, absolutely there. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so what what inspired you to write a book
Speaker 1: about such a heated topic? I mean, racial tension, especially today,
Speaker 1: is something that we still talk about in this country.
Speaker 1: Why was it something that you wanted to tackle? Well,
Speaker 1: kind of for both of those reasons. One is that
Speaker 1: it is such a a topic of discussion today, is
Speaker 1: still an issue which I find interesting forty seven years later.
Speaker 1: But in that time frame, I haven't found a book
Speaker 1: like this. And so again, after discovering the material, I
Speaker 1: did some research, and there were no books of no
Speaker 1: novels about this topic. There are some nonfiction books that
Speaker 1: cover the material. I'm a fiction writer, novelist particularly, and
Speaker 1: I I wrote the book I wanted to read and
Speaker 1: that was my angle on it, and and it didn't
Speaker 1: exist before. So so I figured, forty seven years, nobody's
Speaker 1: done it, I'm going to do it because that the
Speaker 1: information and the research was just too compelling. And again,
Speaker 1: having you know, a navy background, I'm no expert by
Speaker 1: any means. I mean, I enlisted eleven years after this
Speaker 1: incident takes place, UM, and I didn't see any racial
Speaker 1: issues aboard ship at all, UM, and so the ground
Speaker 1: that they made in that eleven years was tremendous, and
Speaker 1: so I wanted to UM utilize some of those memories
Speaker 1: as well as the research, and of course being a novelist,
Speaker 1: I use imagination as well, and so I combined all
Speaker 1: three of those elements to make the book my own.
Speaker 1: And it remains to be seen what people think of it.
Speaker 1: It hasn't really come out yet. It will drop Monday,
Speaker 1: and so I'm waiting on some editorial reviews to see
Speaker 1: how it's received. But again, I just wrote the book
Speaker 1: I wanted to read. At what point did you transition
Speaker 1: from the Navy to becoming a fiction writer. Let's see,
Speaker 1: I got out of the Navy in December of eighty nine,
Speaker 1: and I jumped right in to college, and then I
Speaker 1: went through four years of college, you know, being the
Speaker 1: twenty four year old freshman m I graduated at Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what you do, right, And then I started my
Speaker 1: first novel that summer. And is that Has that always
Speaker 1: been a dream of yours? Is it something that you
Speaker 1: knew you were going to do post military career? It
Speaker 1: was something that I wanted to do since I was
Speaker 1: seventeen years old. When I was in high school, I
Speaker 1: was I had an English class where the assignment was
Speaker 1: to read any novel you wanted and write a report
Speaker 1: about it and as soon as you finished one, you
Speaker 1: had to do another. And so I was reading books
Speaker 1: of my own selection, and I, uh, I never enjoyed
Speaker 1: a class more. Obviously I got an A in it,
Speaker 1: and it just I knew that I was going to
Speaker 1: be a novelist someday, and I thought that was something
Speaker 1: that I would do, you know, when I got older.
Speaker 1: And then I met a novelist, Randy Wayne White. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know the name. He's a pretty
Speaker 1: famous Florida crime novelist. And I met him in my
Speaker 1: first year of junior college and we were discussing, you know,
Speaker 1: the writing process, and he says, well, you like to
Speaker 1: be you want to be a writer, you should you
Speaker 1: should study that. And I don't even know that was
Speaker 1: an option that I could study creative writing. I was.
Speaker 1: I was all geared up to be a physical therapist
Speaker 1: and so but I found out that I could study
Speaker 1: creative writing. You know, I switched my major immediately and
Speaker 1: I started studying creative writing. And it's been it's been
Speaker 1: that ever since. It's amazing. What are some you mentioned?
Speaker 1: Was that Cold war canoeing? What what was the top
Speaker 1: working new club that was kind of our nickname for
Speaker 1: the Navy at the time. You know, during the Cold War.
Speaker 1: You know, the Navy is the Canoe Club. And so
Speaker 1: I wrote a collection of stories called Cold War New
Speaker 1: Club that feature stories that take place not only during
Speaker 1: my listment but also from nine nine bought up to
Speaker 1: present day, basically with some of the guys who are
Speaker 1: older as veterans. It's really cool. I'm really glad you
Speaker 1: decided to topic tackle this subject because I mean, you
Speaker 1: start mentioning and talking about all these racial issues on
Speaker 1: these ships. Uh at the time, and I didn't know
Speaker 1: anything about it. Like I said, it's it's not very
Speaker 1: widespread knowledge, and it was it was at the time.
Speaker 1: I mean, the research is available online with the New
Speaker 1: York Times, particularly with the newspaper articles and against some
Speaker 1: of the congressional reports. Uh all pre Adam Admiral Zumwaldtz
Speaker 1: and uh he he definitely came in and it made
Speaker 1: huge changes. So I think it got not silence, but
Speaker 1: kind of swept under the rug because they wanted to
Speaker 1: move on, make a fresh start. And like I said,
Speaker 1: eleven years later, when I was in, you would never
Speaker 1: have known there were issues. Yeah, it's unreal. I mean
Speaker 1: I remember reading accounts of when the army became integrated
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to remember what euro was, but as
Speaker 1: in maybe like the late fifties where they did that,
Speaker 1: and um, it's just very interesting to read those accounts
Speaker 1: from those times and how quickly things changed, and at
Speaker 1: least from some of the ones I read, when they
Speaker 1: integrated the army, like it wasn't even that big of
Speaker 1: a deal, was like they came back into work and
Speaker 1: life went on exactly. You would have to think that,
Speaker 1: would you know, guys, guys? You know, people are people,
Speaker 1: and so they want to do their job and they
Speaker 1: want to do it well, but they also wanted to
Speaker 1: be be treated respectfully. And that's all you can ask.
Speaker 1: Were you able to interview anybody from that time who
Speaker 1: was on one of these ships that experienced these issues,
Speaker 1: not personally, but in a lot of the reference material
Speaker 1: that I used there there were extensive interviews, So I
Speaker 1: got to benefit from that. Awesome, very cool man. I
Speaker 1: think this audience is gonna love it. We we suggest
Speaker 1: they pick it up because they love learning about military
Speaker 1: history and it's cool that you got to fictionalize something
Speaker 1: that actually went on was a big issue at the time.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you something completely unrelated to all this,
Speaker 1: and the audience isn't in the notes. You don't have
Speaker 1: the video other than for us, I'm curious about the
Speaker 1: sports member bil you behind you? Oh man, I'm a
Speaker 1: Yankees fan. I was. I was born in New York.
Speaker 1: Uh there's nine miles from the stadium in Mount Vernon,
Speaker 1: and my father we moved to Florida when I was
Speaker 1: four years old, but uh, my father raised me Yankees fan.
Speaker 1: You grew up Yankee fan, and I was a little
Speaker 1: leaguer during the seventy seven and seventy eight World Series years.
Speaker 1: And it's just, you know, it's been my team since
Speaker 1: I was you know, born basically, and and so I
Speaker 1: do collect the Yankee memorabially. Absolutely the jersey behind you
Speaker 1: looks like it's signed by a full team, the two
Speaker 1: thousand team. Yes, wow, I mean that's got to be
Speaker 1: worth the time. I don't know the value, but it was.
Speaker 1: It's priceless to me. It was actually a gift from
Speaker 1: my mother in law Christmas that year of two thousand
Speaker 1: and if I remember correctly, because I I mean there
Speaker 1: were so many World Series during that time. The two
Speaker 1: thousand Yankees world World Series winning team, right, right, that's
Speaker 1: the Subway Series against the Mets. That's right. I do
Speaker 1: remember that, and then they dropped two thousand one, obviously
Speaker 1: to the Diamondbacks unfortunately after September eleventh, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: was big. I was at that legendary game after nine
Speaker 1: eleven where Mike Piazza hit that home run, uh, you
Speaker 1: know for the Mets at home and it was the
Speaker 1: first baseball game back back in New York after nine eleven.
Speaker 1: I was there with my dad, and it's something that's
Speaker 1: still do like documentaries on oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It's actually kind of cool while baseball brought people together,
Speaker 1: you know, after such a tragedy, was one of those
Speaker 1: things where people were able to I've seen documentaries about
Speaker 1: people are able to smile at something and wife got
Speaker 1: somewhat back to normal for a lot of people. And
Speaker 1: it's cool because I mean two thousand one, I was
Speaker 1: sophomore in high school. You don't realize the impact that
Speaker 1: this has, but people look back and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: New York was able to get back to, you know,
Speaker 1: just doing normal things at that time, and being there
Speaker 1: it was just a baseball game to me to be honest.
Speaker 1: At the time, yeah, when you're living it, but when
Speaker 1: you look back, like everything else, everything it has the
Speaker 1: perspective of time. It just magnifies and that's the beauty
Speaker 1: of it. Awesome, well, great having you on UM once again.
Speaker 1: The website is Jeffrey Hess dot com and I should
Speaker 1: spell out Jeffrey because you spell it so I'm used
Speaker 1: to the j E F f r e y, but
Speaker 1: your yours is j E F f e r y
Speaker 1: has dot com at real Jeffrey has on Twitter. UM.
Speaker 1: Anything else you wanted to get into here, No, I
Speaker 1: think that's great. The book comes out, what did you say, Monday,
Speaker 1: Monday on Memorial Day. Yeah, outstanding, So pick it up.
Speaker 1: A great piece of military history would have fictionalized account
Speaker 1: by you. And it's been great avenue on. Well, thanks
Speaker 1: a lot. I really appreciate you having me on and
Speaker 1: keep doing what you're doing. Man, I would we really
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks so much. Yeah, thank you. Great having
Speaker 1: Jeffrey on. As I said, I wanted to at least
Speaker 1: reflect on this, uh being you know, the end of
Speaker 1: me hosting this show with Jack and for me, man,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to believe this has been seven
Speaker 1: years since when Brandon brought me on board, and I've
Speaker 1: seen the show grow in many different ways. Uh. And
Speaker 1: the amount of guests we've had on I mean, I'll
Speaker 1: never forget I will always have with me that I
Speaker 1: got to interview everyone from Buzz Aldrin to Rob O'Neill uh,
Speaker 1: to even some controversial guests like General General Flint I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of yeah, uh and and Roger Stone. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like like just a great list of guests here,
Speaker 1: But even more importantly is just the fans of this show.
Speaker 1: At first, when I was abroad on board, it was
Speaker 1: a little bit rough because I just this is not
Speaker 1: completely my whole world. And I feel like I got
Speaker 1: um at a certain point excepted into it with you know,
Speaker 1: wide open arms and everything from both the people that
Speaker 1: we've had on the show that I've become friends with,
Speaker 1: like Chris Baranto and Quinn Emerson. Um. But then even
Speaker 1: I would say, more importantly, the fans of the show.
Speaker 1: And the first time I really realized that was the
Speaker 1: first shot show I went to, and it's the first
Speaker 1: time I've certainly ever felt like the closest thing to
Speaker 1: a celebrity is We're at the top of the House
Speaker 1: of Blues room at the Mandalis Bay and people are
Speaker 1: like hey and love the show and and it made
Speaker 1: me realize that this thing is so much bigger than I. Uh.
Speaker 1: Then then I felt like it was in my head.
Speaker 1: And then I remember even in the years that followed,
Speaker 1: like while we're in Vegas, this is like the time
Speaker 1: a year where it happens. I went to go, uh
Speaker 1: to the Apple Store. I had to go do something
Speaker 1: for Brandon, and someone just hears me talking to an
Speaker 1: employer there and they're like, hey, you're in from Software Radio.
Speaker 1: And then I went to a show totally off the
Speaker 1: strip to go see Since City Centers, which has the
Speaker 1: guitars from Faster Pussycat. You guys know, that's like my
Speaker 1: whole world outside of this is into like that era
Speaker 1: of rock music. And I'm not even talking. I'm there
Speaker 1: by myself and two guys behind you were like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're in from Soccware Radio, right, And ended up sharing
Speaker 1: you know, a cab with them and talking to them
Speaker 1: about the show. And then there's even been an incidence
Speaker 1: here in New York City where people recognize my voice
Speaker 1: on the phone with my dad and you know, they're like,
Speaker 1: I know you from the podcast, and it's just it's
Speaker 1: it's so awesome to me. The response that I've got
Speaker 1: of people that are kind of sad to see me
Speaker 1: moving on to different things, but I'm I'm always around
Speaker 1: if you know, anybody wants to have me on to
Speaker 1: discuss this type of stuff. But I really greatly appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I I can't state it um highly enough. I really
Speaker 1: just appreciate the respe mounts that I've gotten from people,
Speaker 1: and they're seeing the reviews and seeing what this means
Speaker 1: to people, and that there's guys who have listened to
Speaker 1: the show and then went onto the military. It was
Speaker 1: like an inspiration for them, Guys who listened to the
Speaker 1: show while they're working out, which I'll never forget because
Speaker 1: I listen to music when I'm working out. This would
Speaker 1: not this would not like motivate me and pump me up.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I am just a fan of the
Speaker 1: medium of podcasting, and I know what like the podcast
Speaker 1: I listened to me and to me, and so for
Speaker 1: other people to have that same feeling listening to this, it's, uh,
Speaker 1: it's remarkable and I love doing this and I actually
Speaker 1: think just in my opinion, some of the more recent
Speaker 1: shows we've had are some of the best shows in
Speaker 1: the entire nearly five episodes of this whole thing. So
Speaker 1: I do feel like I'm going out on top in
Speaker 1: terms of, you know, the show hasn't like fizzled out
Speaker 1: or anything. We've had some just really excellent shows. I
Speaker 1: look back on the interviews with dal Comstock recently, which
Speaker 1: was amazing, the last interview with Remy. I listened to
Speaker 1: the one with Remy last night and I was just
Speaker 1: curious how came out and how it sounded, and I mean,
Speaker 1: it's great. Yeah, I think we tackled a great deal
Speaker 1: of issues with him, and I think Dennis is gonna
Speaker 1: be great coming on board here. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: continue to do some stuff in the voice over field,
Speaker 1: and like I said, I don't rule out working with
Speaker 1: Jack on some outside projects and things like that if
Speaker 1: if something comes up that I think is worth doing.
Speaker 1: But it's just crazy because I've said it on the
Speaker 1: show before, but I've never been a history of buffer
Speaker 1: a military nerd. I wasn't someone who like read all
Speaker 1: these books of you know, the guys that the books
Speaker 1: that you guys look up to like Dick Morsinko and
Speaker 1: Karl's Hathcock and all that. Like I I didn't even
Speaker 1: know about these guys until I was on board here,
Speaker 1: and it just kind of happened that I ran into
Speaker 1: you guys from my old gig, and so there was
Speaker 1: definitely a huge learning curve when I came on board,
Speaker 1: and I had a handful of friends in the military,
Speaker 1: some of whom you've met. But now it's like, I
Speaker 1: know dozens upon dozens of guys in the military where
Speaker 1: if I visit their state, they're down to with me
Speaker 1: and grab lunch and shoot the ship and it it.
Speaker 1: It's just awesome. It's great guys to know, and a
Speaker 1: lot of them have become guys that I consider friends,
Speaker 1: you know, like you so super cool man. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: I think you're right that the podcast is better than
Speaker 1: it's ever been in the past. And I mean you
Speaker 1: took it from uh it was literally I mean just
Speaker 1: to like rewind way back to the day, uh way back.
Speaker 1: I mean it was like me on my laptop over
Speaker 1: Skype and like some dude like recording it on his computer,
Speaker 1: I mean, and we went from that to where it
Speaker 1: is today. We started getting bigger and bigger guests more
Speaker 1: and more like exclusive interviews with people that are very
Speaker 1: difficult to track down and get and get to come on.
Speaker 1: Um and I'm so, I mean, I really think you
Speaker 1: took this podcast from what most podcasts are, just some dude,
Speaker 1: you know, recording in his garage, which was cool, and
Speaker 1: like professionalized it and really turned it into something, um,
Speaker 1: you know that can be presented to a large audience
Speaker 1: that has a lot of appeal that the quality is
Speaker 1: very high. I um, and it shows. I mean you
Speaker 1: have these people like Brad Thor when they come through
Speaker 1: and they do their tour, they want to come on
Speaker 1: on this podcast. Yeah. I think it's because you know,
Speaker 1: you built it up to that level. Um. Now that
Speaker 1: this thing it gets like what I backed, between fifty
Speaker 1: and seventy thousand lessons, it's actually more lately it's been
Speaker 1: like a hundred thousand. Like that's I don't even know
Speaker 1: what to say about that, because like I don't know
Speaker 1: if anybody wants to fact check that. By the way,
Speaker 1: it's because sound Glad you can see the listeners on there.
Speaker 1: But then um, we have internal listons because of the
Speaker 1: app is the website and sometimes it doubles when well
Speaker 1: SoundCloud actually tracks everything except for the internal stuff. But
Speaker 1: I mean the numbers are huge, So what does that mean?
Speaker 1: I mean, like you're talking about walking around Las Vegas,
Speaker 1: people recognize your voice, Like what does that mean? You
Speaker 1: you have seventy or a hundred thousand people listening to
Speaker 1: your podcast. I mean it has it's a wide reach.
Speaker 1: I think of how big that is, Like I think
Speaker 1: of the venue. It's like, wow, we're speaking to Like
Speaker 1: that's a lot of psychology of at times. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's crazy to me because neither of us are celebrities
Speaker 1: or anything. I mean, meanwhile, you're you know, doing CNA.
Speaker 1: I might be Internet famous. I don't know, like what
Speaker 1: the what the gauges of Internet famous? Like not neither
Speaker 1: of us are Tommy Laren or you know, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna not Kim Kardashian. Yeah. But nonetheless, I mean
Speaker 1: I think you know, you worked really hard on this podcast.
Speaker 1: I mean we both did, and you worked harder on
Speaker 1: it because this is your full time job, is doing
Speaker 1: the podcast, um and built it up into something that
Speaker 1: matters to a lot of people. And you know, I'm
Speaker 1: proud of the podcast because because because of the content
Speaker 1: and because I think that when you listen to this,
Speaker 1: you get something you don't get on other podcasts, Like
Speaker 1: if you listen to UM, you know, there's all these
Speaker 1: like anti war podcasts out there, people who just hate
Speaker 1: the military and hate America. And then there's all these
Speaker 1: others that are like very patriotic and they're just waving
Speaker 1: the flag and they just want to say support the troops.
Speaker 1: But this is this is something different and Nique. When
Speaker 1: you listen to this podcast, you get the good, the bad,
Speaker 1: and the ugly. You know, we don't try to sugarcoat
Speaker 1: it for people. And UM, that's really important to me
Speaker 1: because I know there are so many um, younger folks
Speaker 1: out there who listen to this and they are thinking
Speaker 1: about joining the military, and I don't want to blow
Speaker 1: smoke up their ass, like I want them to know
Speaker 1: the truth and you know they go in with their
Speaker 1: eyes open. Um. Yeah, I think integrity is very important
Speaker 1: to both of us in terms of who we want
Speaker 1: on the show, what we want to portray on the show.
Speaker 1: And we don't pre screen our our guests, like it's
Speaker 1: all in the moment, you know, like, yeah, there's been guests.
Speaker 1: Actually I will say I don't think I've ever mentioned
Speaker 1: on the podcast before, but it will say, can you
Speaker 1: send me questions in advance of what we're gonna talk about?
Speaker 1: Could you know? And I just always say like, no,
Speaker 1: it's not really what we do, Like, well, I'll give
Speaker 1: you the gist, like you know, like jeff came on,
Speaker 1: Jeffrey came on today, We're gonna talk about your book.
Speaker 1: That's the topic, right, But we don't we don't give
Speaker 1: them questions or we don't we don't like pre screen
Speaker 1: them to see what their views are before. So it's
Speaker 1: all raw. It's what you think in that what you
Speaker 1: say in that moment um. So yeah, I'm really proud
Speaker 1: of that, but that I'm proud of the content. But
Speaker 1: you also work on like the back end and the
Speaker 1: logistics and the technical aspect of it and scheduling all
Speaker 1: the guests, and you have to put up with my
Speaker 1: bullshit too because I'm like, oh yeah, and I don't
Speaker 1: think I can make it in today. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: dealing with all of that and that all plays a
Speaker 1: big part of making a professional production. Yeah, and and
Speaker 1: even just the people who whose voice you here on
Speaker 1: the podcast too. I don't really mention, but like Kara O'Brien,
Speaker 1: who does the intro um, you know, and the outro
Speaker 1: and those those voices that you hear on here. Uh yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I think we really put together a really professional product.
Speaker 1: And as I said, I think integrity has been a
Speaker 1: really big part of doing this and that a lot
Speaker 1: of other outlets want to put some image out there,
Speaker 1: and for us, it's always been about getting the truth
Speaker 1: out there, um, whether it's stuff people want to hear
Speaker 1: they don't want to hear. And we'd probably have a
Speaker 1: bigger audience if we did a podcast that was like
Speaker 1: something that you hear on Fox News or you know,
Speaker 1: now The Blaze or as you said, there's probably a
Speaker 1: market for these liberal, woke vet podcasts and we are
Speaker 1: neither of those. And I'm proud that we We've always
Speaker 1: been neither of those. And we always let people say
Speaker 1: what they want to say. I mean, if you listen
Speaker 1: back to the episode with Jake's wig, it was completely
Speaker 1: different view of view of Eddie Gallagher and what we've
Speaker 1: always felt like, that's okay. We let people say what
Speaker 1: they want here. We're not We're not trying to put
Speaker 1: forth a certain message and you know, what's funny. It's
Speaker 1: like what we've been able to do this without having
Speaker 1: the typical split screen debate of things. And and I
Speaker 1: mean we've really kept a professional in the entire history
Speaker 1: of the show that you've never heard, like you and
Speaker 1: I have some huge on air fight or anything. You know,
Speaker 1: We've we've had like heated discussions on things. But but
Speaker 1: I feel like at least I've done my best, and
Speaker 1: I think you have to, Like I come in here
Speaker 1: and I try to turn it on every time, no
Speaker 1: matter what is going on in my personal life. I
Speaker 1: want to make sure that like we get a great
Speaker 1: interview out of these people, and that that you guys
Speaker 1: learned something, uh, because I realized for a lot of people,
Speaker 1: like this is a highlight of their week while they're commuting,
Speaker 1: while they're at the gym or wherever they listen, this
Speaker 1: is something they look forward to every Wednesday and Friday.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to let those people down, and
Speaker 1: I hopefully have not. It was really and it is
Speaker 1: really important to me that we don't pander, that we're
Speaker 1: not just hot dog in it, you know, for a
Speaker 1: certain you know, demographic, like like you said, telling people
Speaker 1: what they want to hear UM, and it was also
Speaker 1: important that we respect the audiences intelligence. Uh. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of media out there where, you know, you have
Speaker 1: these pundits who are screaming at people and they're telling
Speaker 1: you what to believe. And I never wanted to do that.
Speaker 1: I just want to present information. And I mean, I
Speaker 1: we give our opinions at times, but I don't I'm
Speaker 1: not interested in telling people what they what they should believe.
Speaker 1: I want you to think about what we're talking about
Speaker 1: and you, you know, come to your own conclusions about that. UM.
Speaker 1: And I think we accomplished that for the most part. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, men, And I guess if I could end
Speaker 1: it on anything, it's been awesome working with you in
Speaker 1: the past seven years. It's I'll definitely be seen seeing
Speaker 1: Jack agains. It's not like we're far and I'm sure
Speaker 1: we'll end up working together on something somewhere. I I
Speaker 1: genuinely think we will, and I think a lot of
Speaker 1: this audience will check it out if we do. UM.
Speaker 1: But everything that you've done, from your writing at the
Speaker 1: site to some of the guests that you've tracked down
Speaker 1: who no one has ever heard from, like these guys
Speaker 1: like Mike Vining, It's always impressed me your knowledge of
Speaker 1: military history, your knowledge of the special operations UM events
Speaker 1: in history. As Jim West said, Like Jim was a
Speaker 1: guy and he's talked about it many times in the
Speaker 1: show who didn't want to open up to people, and
Speaker 1: then when he heard your knowledge of the special operations world,
Speaker 1: he was able to get comfortable with you. And I
Speaker 1: think that's happened with a lot of guys in the show.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think DL Comstock, after all the
Speaker 1: fire that he was under for what went down, um
Speaker 1: the contracting he was doing, would be comfortable going on
Speaker 1: many media outlets. But he knows that you're not going
Speaker 1: to try to pull something out of him that he's
Speaker 1: not come talking about. And I think that's why we've
Speaker 1: got we've gotten the interviews that we have. Well, I
Speaker 1: will ask the question, but it's up to you how
Speaker 1: you want to answer it. Yeah, but I think people
Speaker 1: are able to come on here and no, we're not
Speaker 1: going to like slickly edit something to you know, we
Speaker 1: do edit the podcast at times, but it's just in
Speaker 1: terms of because we're it's dead air, like we're looking
Speaker 1: at each other like yeah, things like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: if if a guest says something they're not you know,
Speaker 1: comfortable getting out there, they always have you know, that
Speaker 1: relationship with us said hey can you take this out there?
Speaker 1: Rarely happens, But I just mean, we're not trying. We're
Speaker 1: not like a quick baity type of side. And I
Speaker 1: think I think that is partially why you know, we've
Speaker 1: gotten a lot of these people to come on the
Speaker 1: podcast because they know that, you know, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to try to shout them down or Ian's not gonna
Speaker 1: like edit their answers and manipulate it and make it
Speaker 1: sound like they said something they didn't um which more
Speaker 1: and more in this in this age, we've seen where
Speaker 1: guys take their cell phones into an interview and they
Speaker 1: record it, and then what what comes out final product?
Speaker 1: You know that that some TV producer just chopped the
Speaker 1: ship out of the interview and makes it sound like
Speaker 1: I um uh, you know, like crazy stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and then when the full interview is published or you
Speaker 1: hear it, it's like, WHOA, we didn't say that at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if anybody comes off either good or bad on the podcast,
Speaker 1: it's always of what you know of what they actually said,
Speaker 1: we don't paying anybody into a picture or try to
Speaker 1: make you feel a certain way about them. Like a
Speaker 1: lot of people really didn't like when we had on
Speaker 1: that libertarian presidential Canada. I can't remember his name, Austin Peterson,
Speaker 1: you know. And it wasn't due to anything we said.
Speaker 1: People thought that we asked him certain questions and he
Speaker 1: came off kind of pompous about things. If I remember correctly,
Speaker 1: he's the one who um said when I asked about
Speaker 1: a border patrol issue that he was like, well, that's
Speaker 1: why we have the Second Amendment. And I was like,
Speaker 1: well we should have, you know, citizens at the border,
Speaker 1: like shooting illegal you know. And and it's if people
Speaker 1: didn't like the way someone comes off, it's never because
Speaker 1: of something we did. I feel like like we let
Speaker 1: people come on here and get their message across and
Speaker 1: it's up to the audience if they like it or
Speaker 1: not yea, and they can answer the way they want.
Speaker 1: And I've noticed sometimes too with listeners, sometimes they get
Speaker 1: upset because we haven't told them what to believe. It's
Speaker 1: not it's not all the listeners, of course, but once
Speaker 1: in a while someone comes to it's like you got
Speaker 1: to take a side on this, and it's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I can take a side, but I mean
Speaker 1: it's also about the guests, like giving their point of view.
Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of the guests we
Speaker 1: have come with experiences and expertise in firsthand knowledge that
Speaker 1: it's important to hear their side of things. And I
Speaker 1: don't I mean me personally, I wouldn't want to listen
Speaker 1: to a podcast that it's like just the opinion of
Speaker 1: Jack Murphy for an hour and a half. Like I
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to listen to that, and I am Jack.
Speaker 1: And also, I mean you guys who have listened to
Speaker 1: the podcast for a long time have seen, you know,
Speaker 1: people come and go in the hosting roles and we've
Speaker 1: we would have various writers from the site host the
Speaker 1: show at times. And it's like, to me, at least
Speaker 1: these past couple of years, like the consistency of you
Speaker 1: and I has just been perfect. I don't think you
Speaker 1: could ever like replicate that chemistry that we have, uh
Speaker 1: where you know, we don't always agree on everything, but
Speaker 1: we're always having able to have, like I think, a
Speaker 1: good discussion about stuff, and that's hard to come by.
Speaker 1: I mean, people sometimes think that you can just put
Speaker 1: people together for a podcast it's gonna work, and it's
Speaker 1: not always gonna work. And a lot of the times
Speaker 1: as like, as you know, Dennis is always like this
Speaker 1: in fighting, which when you team people up his host
Speaker 1: I was watching that. You probably sawt the Mike and
Speaker 1: the Mad Dog on ESPN and and I loved it too,
Speaker 1: But those guys were fighting over like the most childish things,
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't like the second they go to break,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't speak to each other, and it's what broke
Speaker 1: the show up, you know, Like I I was like,
Speaker 1: this is so silly that these guys were like, these
Speaker 1: high paid radio hosts for the biggest sports station are
Speaker 1: gonna let these small things like break? Got this great
Speaker 1: show they have? I mean, they played the thing on
Speaker 1: that ESPN documentary of when Mike was on vacation. Instead
Speaker 1: of the Mike and the med Doug theme, he took
Speaker 1: out the Mike and it was like a fun thing
Speaker 1: as a joke, and Mi Mike came back furious that
Speaker 1: he changed the theme song, and it's like, come on,
Speaker 1: is this really that big of a deal for you know,
Speaker 1: these guys who were being paid millions to speak on air,
Speaker 1: but for them, like this ship was very important to them,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's these little things that broke up
Speaker 1: the show. And you and I have never had, honestly
Speaker 1: any issue where we've really gotten Man. Maybe it's because
Speaker 1: we only record this twice a week. Maybe if we're
Speaker 1: in the studio four hours a day, five days out
Speaker 1: of the week. I mean, I could tell you what
Speaker 1: that Orange County Choppers meme where he throws the chair
Speaker 1: at the guy. I haven't seen that, but yeah, you've
Speaker 1: seen it. You've definitely seen it. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: could tell you just from working in radio sometimes, like
Speaker 1: it's unlike any other job because if you don't get
Speaker 1: along with someone that you're in the studio with, which
Speaker 1: has happened to me, it's not like another job where
Speaker 1: you're like, well, I could just avoid the person talk
Speaker 1: to other guys. A lot of times you were stuck
Speaker 1: in a control room or in a studio with this
Speaker 1: person four hours out of the day, and you gotta
Speaker 1: figure out a way to get along. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to work with this person. And a lot of in there,
Speaker 1: a lot of it too, is uh, not with this podcast,
Speaker 1: but in other other avenues of you can say, you
Speaker 1: can say no, no no, no, no, I'll get you. And
Speaker 1: I have talked about the soft air where you know,
Speaker 1: let's let's say you too likely because you guys had
Speaker 1: a beef and it's not the case at all, but
Speaker 1: let's say on air, you know I would it would
Speaker 1: be I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't
Speaker 1: egg that on like it makes good. So people like,
Speaker 1: you know, you made hate. You might hate the guy
Speaker 1: you're working with, but then somebody else, like the third person,
Speaker 1: me or whoever else, Brandon, whoever works within this show,
Speaker 1: is gonna egg it on to try and get a
Speaker 1: bigger reaction to for click baby headlines. And that's not
Speaker 1: what you guys are about, and we never have because
Speaker 1: I always feel like the focus has been on the
Speaker 1: guest more than like in or turmoil with you know,
Speaker 1: the company, or drama or anything like that. But I
Speaker 1: know what you mean because I was just listening to
Speaker 1: the Howard Howard Sterns show that ended on I don't know,
Speaker 1: if you know, like a bit of a cliffhanger with
Speaker 1: Benji Brown coming to the studio late again, did you
Speaker 1: hear that? And Howard being like dude, this has happened
Speaker 1: this so many times, Like I don't think you're gonna
Speaker 1: have a job anymore, and and I don't know if
Speaker 1: they're gonna be back, Like I'm curious about this whole
Speaker 1: thing now because Benji gonna no longer be on the show,
Speaker 1: and uh that that stuff does make for great radio,
Speaker 1: Like I'd rather listen to them talking about Benji being late.
Speaker 1: That's like a great celebrity interview on that show. It's
Speaker 1: just the way it is, like because you because you
Speaker 1: grow with the characters. And I'm sure a lot of
Speaker 1: I would say, almost all of these listeners are gonna
Speaker 1: miss you immensely. I mean, in my this is now
Speaker 1: the fourth show that I've been a part of. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna miss you like you were instrumental in coaching me
Speaker 1: along here I was saying earlier. I mean me and
Speaker 1: Ian are so close that we double up in the
Speaker 1: urinal and I know that. I noticed that. I went
Speaker 1: in to go and I was like, oh, they're having
Speaker 1: them all. Yeah, I gotta hopefully we get there one day, Jack, Well,
Speaker 1: we will, we will will take time. We got the
Speaker 1: Irish power going on. It's not a good thing, do
Speaker 1: you like to drink. Why do you think half that
Speaker 1: that wasn't Dave Richardson. Dave Richardson loved that, by the way.
Speaker 1: That was the first thing you said when he came in.
Speaker 1: The hibiki. That's the hibiki is like Brandon's thing, but
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him in a while. But it's an
Speaker 1: ethnic predisposition, a gift and a curse. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: both the cause and the solution of all my problems.
Speaker 1: Well with that, man, uh, I'm sure there'll be other
Speaker 1: things in the future for me. I I'm doing, like
Speaker 1: I said, a lot of voice over stuff. Now. I
Speaker 1: know you're thinking male prostitution. Uh no, so I'm doing that.
Speaker 1: I actually am also looking to, um wow, take this course.
Speaker 1: And I hate seeing the word Alma mater. I think
Speaker 1: it sounds so douche. But the college I went to
Speaker 1: I've been looking into. They have a certification for personal
Speaker 1: training there over the summer, which is something I've wanted
Speaker 1: to do for years. I'm going to do that as well.
Speaker 1: Um So, I'm not immediately doing anything again in podcasting
Speaker 1: a radio, but like, if a great opportunity comes along.
Speaker 1: I I mean, I've been doing broadcasting since two thousand six,
Speaker 1: like it's been a long time and in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways, UM, kind of excited to take on other
Speaker 1: challenges and that's why I'm doing this. And you know,
Speaker 1: on some level, I mentioned the quote on a recent podcast,
Speaker 1: but I'm always inspired by different things that I read
Speaker 1: in different musicians that I read about that that's always
Speaker 1: been a topic of mine that I love. And I
Speaker 1: mentioned how Cannabis the rapper, when he was not necessarily
Speaker 1: the height of his career, but his career was still
Speaker 1: going very well, decided to when listen to the Army
Speaker 1: and in an interview they asked him like, why would
Speaker 1: you do this? You're like this big name New York rapper,
Speaker 1: and he just said, like, this is what's defined my
Speaker 1: life since adolescence, is rapping. He's like, I want my
Speaker 1: life to be defined by different things. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be stuck into like one box. And I feel
Speaker 1: the same way. I would love to do bigger things
Speaker 1: than I've already done with voiceover and things with my
Speaker 1: love of fitness. Um, but this is something I I've
Speaker 1: naturally gravitated to, is doing radio, doing podcasting. So I
Speaker 1: do think at some point I will get back to this.
Speaker 1: It just has to be the right situation. Um. I'm
Speaker 1: not like looking to go just board up another show
Speaker 1: right now and produce another show and in the future possibly,
Speaker 1: but unless something comes along right now that I'm really
Speaker 1: passionate about, I'm looking to like explore other avenues. And
Speaker 1: you know, I know for you, you you know you are
Speaker 1: into doing this as well as being a writer. Is
Speaker 1: what in terms of like a um investigative journalist, but
Speaker 1: then also writing your memoir and doing things. I think
Speaker 1: just part of life is challenging yourself to do new
Speaker 1: things and I haven't done that in a why. I
Speaker 1: think it's also just part of the modern economy, Like
Speaker 1: unless you have a real career, like you're an engineer
Speaker 1: or a doctor or something like, you have to know
Speaker 1: how to do ten different things. Oh yeah, all these
Speaker 1: people who are like big names on YouTube, I realized,
Speaker 1: like they're not just people who know the ins and
Speaker 1: outs of of being a broadcaster and the um you
Speaker 1: know how to do like a mic break here and
Speaker 1: and format at. It's like all these people they know
Speaker 1: like video editing. I don't really know video editing. And
Speaker 1: even the big ones they the I mean they say
Speaker 1: themselves are like, you're crazy if you quit your job
Speaker 1: and just be like a full time to YouTuber. It's
Speaker 1: weird though, because I quit what was like a more
Speaker 1: stable career. It's serious to be a full time podcaster,
Speaker 1: and somehow it worked, and like I'm very proud of
Speaker 1: the fact that it worked. Like my whole I said
Speaker 1: this and what I wrote on Twitter if you guys
Speaker 1: saw on Facebook, but like my whole thing of what
Speaker 1: I was young and what I wanted to do. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to avoid having to put in a suit
Speaker 1: and tie every day and get like a quote air
Speaker 1: quotes real job. And somehow I'm there. I'm about to
Speaker 1: be thirty three years old and I've never had like
Speaker 1: a what people consider a real job, and I'm really
Speaker 1: proud of that fact. Yeah. It's like my wife is like,
Speaker 1: why don't you dress like an adult, like have like
Speaker 1: a sports coat and something, honey, Like, if I wanted
Speaker 1: to do that, I would have chosen a totally different
Speaker 1: path in life. I would have gotten a real job
Speaker 1: and like gone and worked in an office and I'd
Speaker 1: be like one of these hedge fund bros, Like what's
Speaker 1: the point of doing this job if you can't like
Speaker 1: sit in your home or in your pajama is writing
Speaker 1: at your computer? Like what what? I I asked Ian
Speaker 1: before the show. We're prepping and I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: do you wear shorts in the summer? And he was
Speaker 1: like yeah. I was like, okay, good. The last thing
Speaker 1: you want to do is come in New York City sweat. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No one here has given me crap about any of that.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah that That's always been what I've wanted to do,
Speaker 1: is just to kind of do my own thing. And
Speaker 1: you know, and that's obviously not to uh take shots
Speaker 1: at anyone who listened to this podcast who took another
Speaker 1: path in life. I mean, I think we all have
Speaker 1: different things that we're passionate about. And if you're the
Speaker 1: job that you're not passionate about, you could always pursue
Speaker 1: things on the side that you are. And I was
Speaker 1: doing that at one time by doing my own podcast.
Speaker 1: And you know, if this inspires you to do your
Speaker 1: own thing. A lot of people have said to me,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start my own podcast. The problem is that
Speaker 1: I have a lot of people who say I'm gonna
Speaker 1: start a podcast, and then a year later they're still
Speaker 1: thinking of starting with a lot of things. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: a lot of people. If you're thinking of you know,
Speaker 1: if this podcast makes you want to write a book,
Speaker 1: start a podcast, No one's gonna like hold your hand
Speaker 1: through it. Fucking do it. Man. Uh, whatever it is
Speaker 1: that you're passionate about, take the leap. And you know,
Speaker 1: even if it's something on the side of your nine
Speaker 1: to five job, if it's something that's calling you, go
Speaker 1: out and do it. That's my inspiration for you as
Speaker 1: I am this. Uh last thing is you know, I
Speaker 1: will get the reads out of the way here because
Speaker 1: I do always feel we got to promote what we're
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Speaker 1: And uh, if you'd like to follow me as always
Speaker 1: at Ian Scotto on Twitter, uh, Facebook dot com, slash
Speaker 1: ian Scotto Radio. And uh, that's about it for me, man,
Speaker 1: it's been an honor. We're, you know, working here and
Speaker 1: also providing content for you guys, the listeners. That's a
Speaker 1: rat man. But until we see you next time, I'm
Speaker 1: sure you're gonna cruise in here wearing like one of
Speaker 1: those purple Lawrence fishburn suits. Like, fuck you, guys, I'm
Speaker 1: making ball, ask money now, All right, are you guys
Speaker 1: gonna be back on Wednesday? I don't even know you
Speaker 1: you guys have planned or do we have? Because I
Speaker 1: know your your official first day is June one? Does
Speaker 1: that mean next week you guys have shows? Because I
Speaker 1: have no idea. I have no idea either. I didn't
Speaker 1: think the I didn't think the wheel was gonna stop turning. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you guys all and in hopefully tune in next Wednesday. Yeah, Wednesday,
Speaker 1: and I will be in Sedona, Arizona, hiking with two
Speaker 1: of my old friends from not only high school, elementary school.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to be in Sudona UM. And when
Speaker 1: I told my friends that I was leaving, they were like, dude,
Speaker 1: leave right before you go to Sedona. And I was like,
Speaker 1: that sounds like a plant, dude. So I'll be in
Speaker 1: Sedona and uh yeah, have a great weekend. Everybody. You've
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