Speaker 1: M Hey everybody, I'm Robert Evans and this is once
Speaker 1: again Behind the Bastards. Each week I read you a
Speaker 1: story about a terrible, terrible person, uh, and then I
Speaker 1: discuss it with my guest. And this week that guest
Speaker 1: is Danny Fernandez of Nerdificent on the House Stuff Works Network.
Speaker 1: She's also a comedian and general funny person. Hey Danny, Yes,
Speaker 1: thanks for having me on. Thanks for coming on. So
Speaker 1: hear about awful people. Well, this week our awful person
Speaker 1: is Griselda Blanco. Does that name ring an els to
Speaker 1: you barely with like cocaine? Right? Oh? Yeah, okay? She
Speaker 1: is the Godmother of Cocaine is one of her nicknames.
Speaker 1: She called herself the baddest bitch to ever take a
Speaker 1: breath of life. Oh yeah, well, I mean I think
Speaker 1: that's reserved for Beyonce, but sure. Well that's what we'll see.
Speaker 1: By the end of this podcast. We're gonna know if
Speaker 1: if she's the baddest bitch or the saddest bitch, because
Speaker 1: one of those two is the is probably the truth. Um.
Speaker 1: I will say that, having spent the last week learning
Speaker 1: about her life, it doesn't sound like bragging to me
Speaker 1: because she is uh she's a tough cookie. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: we're just going to get into it then. Um. Griselda
Speaker 1: was born in February nine in Cartagena, Columbia. Oh wait,
Speaker 1: the day after Valentine's that's right. Uh. So, you know,
Speaker 1: the forties Columbia was was not a densely populated place.
Speaker 1: When she was three, her mother moved her to Metain,
Speaker 1: which was kind of like a quiet, smaller town back then.
Speaker 1: They lived in a tin house and sort of a
Speaker 1: rural slum type part of the area with no electricity
Speaker 1: or running water. There are basically no laws at all
Speaker 1: at that point, and oh my god, what like not
Speaker 1: even biblical laws. I mean it would like those would
Speaker 1: be like, don't kill your neighbor. It's about to get
Speaker 1: pretty biblical. Yeah. Yeah, so her dad didn't didn't stick around.
Speaker 1: Not much information about him, but I'm sorry. There's no laws.
Speaker 1: It's a lawless town. It's like the wild, wild wet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's Columbia in the forties, I know. But
Speaker 1: they still had police then everywhere. Okay, so, I mean
Speaker 1: they did have some police, but as we're about to hear,
Speaker 1: the police did not exactly make things better, which is
Speaker 1: not a familiar situation from anyone in the modern world. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So Griselda's mother was a hardcore alcoholic uh and very abusive.
Speaker 1: Griselda was beaten regularly. The violence at home was broken
Speaker 1: up with a nice helping of violence absolutely everywhere else.
Speaker 1: Because when Griselda was five, there was this guy, George Gitan.
Speaker 1: He was a beloved liberal presidential candidate from Bogata, Ah.
Speaker 1: He was murdered. Uh. This sparked a ten year civil
Speaker 1: war known as law Viollencia, or the violence. At least
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand people died since a lot of the
Speaker 1: conflict revolved around local police and politicians urging conservative peasant
Speaker 1: farmers to butcher liberal peasants and take their land. Lo
Speaker 1: Va Allencia was especially pronounced in areas like Medine, So
Speaker 1: from age five on, Griselda saw dead bodies on a
Speaker 1: near daily basis. She and the other local children would
Speaker 1: find the corpses of murdered people and bury them for fun.
Speaker 1: It was like a local pastime for kids in Medine,
Speaker 1: which just like burying corpses found in the morning. I
Speaker 1: wonder if it was like for fun. That sounds like
Speaker 1: manual labor, though like well, I imagine it's like a
Speaker 1: Huckleberry Finn situation where like one kid's got to bury
Speaker 1: the bodies and he cons the others into thinking like
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a great time. No, I would
Speaker 1: love it if it's just one kid digging the ditch
Speaker 1: and like five kids watching them do it and just
Speaker 1: poking the stick the dead body. What does it stand
Speaker 1: by me with the Yeah, yeah, it's like that every day,
Speaker 1: Like it's it's an eternal stand by me. Um. So yeah,
Speaker 1: when Griselda was eleven, she and some other young people
Speaker 1: kidnapped a ten year old child from a wealthy part
Speaker 1: of town. Um, she's eleven, she's a heart eleven. Um.
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, the kid's family wouldn't pay up. So anyway,
Speaker 1: they gave Griselda a gun and dared her to shoot
Speaker 1: the child between the eyes, which she did. So she's eleven. Uh,
Speaker 1: she's committed her first murder. And she did not exactly
Speaker 1: pump the breaks on life after that. So one night, um,
Speaker 1: when Griselda was fourteen and Lafae Allencia was winding down,
Speaker 1: her mother Anna started beating her, which again wasn't a
Speaker 1: super weird situation. Her mom grabbed her by the hair
Speaker 1: and punched her, then knocked her daughter down and started stomping.
Speaker 1: Griselda somehow managed to run for the door, and I
Speaker 1: ripped the shirt off her back as she ran. And
Speaker 1: so Griselda ran topless through the pouring rain and mud
Speaker 1: all the way to the city of Metaine. From that
Speaker 1: point until her early twenties, she worked as a prostitute. Wait, okay,
Speaker 1: so she was eleven, ran down topless, fourteen. At this point,
Speaker 1: she's eleven when she shoots the kid fourteen. She went like,
Speaker 1: who is taking note of this? Like? Who who added
Speaker 1: this in her autobiography? Oh? She told this? Uh story? Yeah,
Speaker 1: she told this story to a guy. So I've used
Speaker 1: a number of different sources. There's no definitive source on
Speaker 1: her life, and there's a lot of disagreement about certain things.
Speaker 1: There's like a mix of tabloids like The Sun that
Speaker 1: have written stories about her, some actual journalists who have
Speaker 1: written stories about her where the details are minimal. And
Speaker 1: then there's a documentary called Cocaine Cowboys that interviews one
Speaker 1: of her former lovers, a coke dealer named George Cosby
Speaker 1: from Oakland, and she told this story to him. Okay,
Speaker 1: of her running topless, because I'm like, who's taking note
Speaker 1: during this time? Like who was out at night when
Speaker 1: it was raining and just like had their notebook open. No,
Speaker 1: it's one of those things, like we're essentially taking her
Speaker 1: word for when she was born, because I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: in Cartagenian forty three there weren't a lot of birth
Speaker 1: certificates being Yeah, although this is the fifties now, because
Speaker 1: she's in her she's fourteen, Yeah, the fifties, she's fourteen. Um.
Speaker 1: And and then she became a prostitute. Yeah, she's she's
Speaker 1: a prostitute, and she does that for six or seven years. Um.
Speaker 1: So she she's drawn a hard card out of the
Speaker 1: deck alive so far. Um. At some point during that period,
Speaker 1: when she's in her early twenties, she marries a guy
Speaker 1: named Carlos Trujillo, and she has three sons with him.
Speaker 1: They're all boys, Dixon, Hubert, and Oswaldo. Uh. And then
Speaker 1: Carlos died. Um. We don't know exactly how he died.
Speaker 1: Some sources say it was cirrhosis of the liver. Some
Speaker 1: sources say they moved to New York before he died
Speaker 1: of curosis, and some sources say she divorced him and
Speaker 1: then had him shot in the face for something. It's
Speaker 1: hard to say. What what is the New York one
Speaker 1: like that has nothing to do with it. Well, they
Speaker 1: definitely moved to New York at some point. Okay, I
Speaker 1: love that was his his cause of death new yorking
Speaker 1: to New York. Yeah, because you're like, Okay, one is
Speaker 1: that he got cirosis. One is that he moved to
Speaker 1: New York he got He got cirosis in New York
Speaker 1: is one version. So he dies in New York is
Speaker 1: one version. She has him shot in Colombia as another.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what happened, because again there's just
Speaker 1: a bunch of versions of her story floating around. Um,
Speaker 1: but he definitely favorite cause of death is moving to
Speaker 1: New York. Okay, it's a kind of death. It is.
Speaker 1: It is. It's a death of the soul. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: continue um Okay, So yeah, like I said, we we
Speaker 1: know that she marries this guy, she has three kids
Speaker 1: with him, and then he dies, probably because she killed him,
Speaker 1: given what happens later. But I'm getting ahead of myself. So, um,
Speaker 1: whatever happened, grissell To quickly found a new main squeeze
Speaker 1: a guy named Alberto Bravo. He owned a string of
Speaker 1: garment factories which he turned into drug labs. Alberto hired
Speaker 1: Griselda to buy rock cocaine for him, and the two
Speaker 1: quickly fell in love and started operating a little bit
Speaker 1: of drug empire together. They moved to Queens because New
Speaker 1: York at the time was the world capital of buying
Speaker 1: cocaine for way too much money. Um, this is in
Speaker 1: like the late sixties. Uh. Their official cover was that
Speaker 1: they ran a clothing import company. They were able to
Speaker 1: undersell the Italian mob thanks to their direct connection to Colombia.
Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy one, Blanco and Alberto became the first
Speaker 1: Columbians to sell medicine cartel cocaine in the United States.
Speaker 1: Um so trailblazers. Uh. Within a few months of moving
Speaker 1: to Queens, Griselda and Alberto were multimillionaires. At the height
Speaker 1: of their success, they made around ten million a week. Uh.
Speaker 1: And this is you know, ten million and sixties dollars,
Speaker 1: so they're fucking banking it. Um. Griselda grew Americanized and
Speaker 1: develop a love for mafia and gangster movies, particularly The Godfathers. Yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: like you would. So as her coke business takes off,
Speaker 1: she starts calling herself Lama Drina or the godmother um.
Speaker 1: Griselda was the first female drug lord in the cocaine game.
Speaker 1: She was also an innovator. She realized that female mules
Speaker 1: were way less likely to attract police attention and searches
Speaker 1: than males. This led, obviously to Griselda using her husband's
Speaker 1: garment factories to produce and sell a line of specialty
Speaker 1: lingerie just for smuggling cocaine. Of lingerie. Yeah, God, I
Speaker 1: kind of want to be friends with her. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: she's operating a lingerie factory so people can smuggle coke
Speaker 1: in their undies. That's so cool. Yeah. In nineteen seventy one,
Speaker 1: one of her corsets was found in a woman's bathroom
Speaker 1: at the Miami International Airport. It held seven pounds of
Speaker 1: cocaine that had been sewn into fifty eight compartments. Well
Speaker 1: that's heavy, yeah, that is That is a lot to
Speaker 1: wear on your bed, you know what. That's that would
Speaker 1: come in handy though, instead of like stuffing my bra
Speaker 1: it's just like filled with coke. Wow. She is truly
Speaker 1: a pioneer. Yeah, No, she's an innovator. She's not content
Speaker 1: to just do the game as it's been done. Nobody's
Speaker 1: doing the game like that. No, And in seventy two
Speaker 1: and other of her mules gets caught four and a
Speaker 1: half pounds of cocaine and a round your pants, um,
Speaker 1: which sounds more uncomfortable than seven pounds spread out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe it was all in the butt though, Like one
Speaker 1: of my friends had like one of those but like
Speaker 1: implant thingies, so maybe it gave it some padding. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just looks like you have like a really nice
Speaker 1: but but it's actually like a half a million dollars
Speaker 1: in cocaine. Oh god, yeah, you know what. I bet
Speaker 1: that's how much Kim's but is insured for, like probably
Speaker 1: more than a million dollars one buttload of cocaine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well probably yeah, yeah, because Heidi Klum's legs are insured
Speaker 1: for like five million or something. So hope you knew that. Yeah, huh.
Speaker 1: I wonder what the depreciation on legs is. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but yours to ship at some point. Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: I guess she and other people like have their hair
Speaker 1: insured and stuff like when it's a part of your image. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can this is why I came on actually to
Speaker 1: educate people about this specifically. Yeah, no, no, no, thank
Speaker 1: you for this. You're welcome. Now I'm thinking about what
Speaker 1: part of me to ensure your beard really Yeah, thank you,
Speaker 1: you're welcome. You should. I don't know if you've checked out.
Speaker 1: I always tell my guy friends to go check out.
Speaker 1: Like when you're on Instagram, you if you post a
Speaker 1: picture with like of your you know, your face and
Speaker 1: your beard and your facial hair, you can do like
Speaker 1: hashtag beard love or how. I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people that are super into beards right now, as
Speaker 1: they should. I mean, I'm just in it for the
Speaker 1: love of the beard. It's not like I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to curry favor with it. No, but I mean you
Speaker 1: could use it in your favor. Yeah, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's something to keep in the back pocket. Four and
Speaker 1: a half pounds of cocaine. Yeah, um so yeah. By
Speaker 1: the early seventies, Blanco and Bravo were moving one and
Speaker 1: a half tons of cocaine into America. Every month. Things
Speaker 1: are going great on the business into things, but as
Speaker 1: is so often the case, Griselda and Alberto's relationships suffered
Speaker 1: as they saw more financial success. You know, the oldest
Speaker 1: story in the book. Ye um. The problem started when
Speaker 1: he moved back to Columbia to quote restructure the business,
Speaker 1: which mostly means fucking lots of ladies. At least that's
Speaker 1: what Griselda thought. And in fairness to Alberta, Griselda had
Speaker 1: also started smoking enormous amounts of bazooka, which is raw,
Speaker 1: unrefined cocaine. I thought she was just smoking ship like
Speaker 1: smoking cocaine by the pound, and very paranoid. So he
Speaker 1: may not have been cheating on her, and she may
Speaker 1: just have been smoking more cocaine than a person was
Speaker 1: really paranoid. Yeah, it's hard to say. Probably both her true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna guess being a millionaire coke dealer in
Speaker 1: the sixties, you you probably aren't super in the marriage vows.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, um yeah. So she was so coked out
Speaker 1: in paranoid that she started keeping a fueled private jet
Speaker 1: on a twenty four hour stand by. This actually worked
Speaker 1: out really well for her because it turned out that
Speaker 1: a joint NYPD d E A investigation called Operation Banshee
Speaker 1: had caught onto her operation. She managed to make it
Speaker 1: down to Miami and escaped to Columbia just ahead of
Speaker 1: the authorities. Most people would lay low at that point,
Speaker 1: but Griselda was still smoking unbelievable amounts of cocaine and
Speaker 1: so she was convinced that her husband was cheating on her,
Speaker 1: and she'd also began to suspect that he was plotting
Speaker 1: against her with a little guy named Pablo Escobar. So
Speaker 1: she arrived in Metaine with the FBI like right on
Speaker 1: her tail, uh and a team of armed gutens in
Speaker 1: her private aircraft. She arranges to meet with her estranged
Speaker 1: husband out in front of a nightclub to like talk
Speaker 1: things out with her. Um. So there's a couple of
Speaker 1: versions of this story as well. One of them is
Speaker 1: that she just straight up ambushes him and shoots him
Speaker 1: in the face. One of them is that they try
Speaker 1: to talk and there's like a cold standoff and she
Speaker 1: tells him that, you know, she needs to tell him
Speaker 1: some things and he has to listen, and then he
Speaker 1: says that all this godmother craps gone to her head. Uh.
Speaker 1: She didn't appreciate this, so she pulls a pistol from
Speaker 1: her ostrich skin boot and shoots Alberto in the face
Speaker 1: and blows his brains out. He dies instantly, but he
Speaker 1: manages to get a shot off with his uzi that
Speaker 1: hits her in the belli um. There's a few variations
Speaker 1: of what happened at this point. To One of the
Speaker 1: stories says she grabs the uzy from his dying hands
Speaker 1: and guns down all six of his bodyguards. Well, her
Speaker 1: guards are just like standing there staring. Another version is
Speaker 1: that there's just a giant firefight between them and she
Speaker 1: gets dragged wounded back into the limousine and taken to
Speaker 1: a hospital where she recovers. Either way, she is now
Speaker 1: in soul control. Wait, and they've already both seen the Godfather,
Speaker 1: and they didn't, like, they didn't already anticipate this happening.
Speaker 1: I mean, she it's possible she wanted exactly this to happen,
Speaker 1: other than the getting shot herself part. Oh my gosh, Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm more confused that he died instantly but also shot her. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, you've got him. He's got the oozy in
Speaker 1: his hand, and she shoots him in the face, and
Speaker 1: maybe he just twitches shot first, or maybe he shot first,
Speaker 1: so she was doing it in defense. Technically, she may
Speaker 1: have been the han solo in this situation, that's entirely possible. Um.
Speaker 1: Hard to say, but either way, grisso, No, Pablo was
Speaker 1: not there. Um, there's a lot of smart Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: there's some people that say he was her protege and
Speaker 1: learned from her. There's some people that say they probably
Speaker 1: didn't have that much, but he was working on He
Speaker 1: was a little guy at this point. Yeah, but he was.
Speaker 1: I thought he was Alberto's protege. No, there's a rumor
Speaker 1: that he and Alberto were working to push her out
Speaker 1: of her chunk of the coke business and then manage
Speaker 1: it together. That's what she may have thought was happening.
Speaker 1: But we don't know that that's what's happening because other
Speaker 1: people say that Escobar was like her protege at a
Speaker 1: later date. So it's hard to say. Again, we're talking
Speaker 1: about like coke dealers, and everyone who was alive to
Speaker 1: relate this story was doing impossible amounts of cocaine while
Speaker 1: it was happening, So you're going to get different very
Speaker 1: it was gunned down in an alley way, Yeah, a
Speaker 1: lot of that. Um. But one way or the other,
Speaker 1: she kills her husband, winds up in charge of their
Speaker 1: whole cocaine empire and earns a second nickname. Wait, the
Speaker 1: police just look the other way. Well it's Colombia. Oh
Speaker 1: yeah this is this is in like Metain. So like
Speaker 1: they police aren't gonna get in the middle of two
Speaker 1: coke dealers shooting it out. Um. Yeah, so she earns
Speaker 1: a new nickname, the black Widow. Um. Which, So I'm
Speaker 1: of two minds of this. I feel like you have
Speaker 1: to kill more than two husbands to get the name
Speaker 1: black widows. That's too live sick. I think she deserves
Speaker 1: you feel like two is enough of a pattern. I
Speaker 1: feel depending on Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think too. You're
Speaker 1: off to a good start. Yeah. I mean she definitely
Speaker 1: earns it later on spoiler alert, But I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to wait until someone's killed three husbands before
Speaker 1: I get I don't know, like if she killed her
Speaker 1: first husband, what would her name like husband kill? Like
Speaker 1: you know, one husband might be a fluke. Hey if
Speaker 1: you here's here's how I'll do it. Like if she
Speaker 1: ate her first husband, she'd be known as a man eater,
Speaker 1: like they would they would put that name, they would
Speaker 1: title her that and think it's like super quirky and
Speaker 1: like a news headline. Yeah, that's whatever. So that's that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I feel like if you eat a person, get
Speaker 1: nickname right, Okay, Like you got to establish a pattern.
Speaker 1: With Black Widow. We don't know if she ate him
Speaker 1: or not. We don't and it's possible she did. That
Speaker 1: wouldn't be the craziest thing that she does people? Yeah No,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say people get hungry on coke, but
Speaker 1: they don't. Um, that's kind of the benefit a coke,
Speaker 1: great weight loss drugs. Okay, So she's the Black Widow,
Speaker 1: got it. So she's the Black Widow and the Godmother.
Speaker 1: Now she can't have both names. I see what she
Speaker 1: had something like twenty different nicknames okay, yeah, Grizzy Like yeah,
Speaker 1: that one didn't really take off, okay. Um. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: she takes control of the empire. Um, mama ge that's
Speaker 1: a good one. Yeah. Um. So she runs her coke
Speaker 1: business from Columbia for a while, she grows into one
Speaker 1: of the most influential figures in the cocaine world. At
Speaker 1: one point, she broke it a major meeting of all
Speaker 1: the big coke traffickers, including Pablo Escobar, to get everybody
Speaker 1: to unify their important networks so they can more efficiently
Speaker 1: sell cocaine to Americans. Um, which is cool. Uh. In
Speaker 1: nineteen Griselda marries a new guy, a bank robber named Dario.
Speaker 1: The couple has a son, who Griselda named Michael Corleone. Um,
Speaker 1: and then they move back into the United States. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's very on the no. Yeah, really on the nose, uh,
Speaker 1: because you're kind of setting up your kid's life with
Speaker 1: that name, and he has quite a life which will
Speaker 1: be diving into a little bit here too. UM's gonna
Speaker 1: name my kid Hannibal lector Hannibal Lecter. Yeah. I'm just
Speaker 1: really into eating people apparently with this. I mean I
Speaker 1: feel like once they start cloning meat, once they really
Speaker 1: get that down, everyone's gonna be eating human meat like
Speaker 1: I would. I would eat human meat in a heartbeat. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then those people will come out that have been
Speaker 1: like I've always been eating human meat. I've been doing
Speaker 1: it since before it was cool. You guys aren't real cannibals.
Speaker 1: That was never on a person. Yeah, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: cannibal hipsters. It'll be just what a world. Yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: probably wind up getting human flavored vape canisters. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: could see that anyway. Um. So, yeah, they moved back
Speaker 1: to the United States. Uh, she isn't recognized at the
Speaker 1: border crossing because a decade of smoking uncut cocaine had
Speaker 1: aged her face by several decades. She's like thirty years
Speaker 1: old in this picture. She doesn't look that bad. She
Speaker 1: doesn't look that bad the but she's she's clearly taking
Speaker 1: some It's not great to smoke cocaine for it not.
Speaker 1: By the way, if you want to check out this
Speaker 1: picture of young Grizelda, you can find it on our
Speaker 1: website behind the Bastards dot com. So yeah, Griselda bought
Speaker 1: a six room penthouse in Biscayne Bay, which is a
Speaker 1: fancy neighborhood in Miami. What's going on with her kids
Speaker 1: right now? They're just living with her and and doing
Speaker 1: some low level coke stuff. Like you know, your kids
Speaker 1: you can trust if you're in the cocaine business. They
Speaker 1: don't seem to have ever fucked her over. So like
Speaker 1: she uses her kids in the business a lot, has
Speaker 1: them as like executives. They don't care that she killed
Speaker 1: their dad. Um. I think they get used to it
Speaker 1: because she kills a lot of dad's Um. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: she settles into Miami sets to work expanding her cocaine
Speaker 1: empire beyond anything the world had ever seen. And I
Speaker 1: think it's time to break right now for just a
Speaker 1: little bit and talk about Miami in the late sixties
Speaker 1: and early seventies. Um, what words come to mine when
Speaker 1: you hear the name Miami right now? Oh? Pit boll Okay, Um,
Speaker 1: let's see beaches, Um, good food, good architecture. Um, you
Speaker 1: have a really positive attitude towards Miami. You know, I
Speaker 1: love I love my fellow Latin X people that live there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Vice is the first name in my because
Speaker 1: I watched a lot of Miami. Vice. Sunracked, swamp of
Speaker 1: madness might be another. I haven't had good Florida experience, Okay, yeah, um,
Speaker 1: but rural Florida is more where I've been and it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just Oklahoma too, it is yeah. Um so yeah.
Speaker 1: Once upon a time, Miami was a nice, quiet town
Speaker 1: on the coast. There weren't any big buildings, no skyscrapers.
Speaker 1: In the late sixties and early seventies, there was very
Speaker 1: little going on. There was just a single police car
Speaker 1: patrolling the city at night. Even though the city was
Speaker 1: the size of Rhode Island. Um, so there was also
Speaker 1: very few young people in Miami. It was basically a
Speaker 1: collection of Art deco buildings and sure less elderly men
Speaker 1: with zinc cream on their lips. There's a wonderful photo
Speaker 1: article in the Washington Post about this time called nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy Miami Beach Culture. All Quirk and Novace will include
Speaker 1: a link up on the site, but I've I've created
Speaker 1: a couple of photos from it just to give you
Speaker 1: an idea to to sort of set the mood. So
Speaker 1: you get a couple of couple of old people there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then there's the picture of the guy with a
Speaker 1: zinc cream on his lips, which is like a thing
Speaker 1: old men used to do because like they didn't have sunscreen,
Speaker 1: but it just makes them all look creepy as hell.
Speaker 1: So it was into this like nice quiet Miami. Uh
Speaker 1: that Griselda Blanco drops like a hand grenade. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get into what happened when Griselda established a cocaine empire
Speaker 1: in Miami after the break. But before that, we have
Speaker 1: to do some more ads and sell you some things
Speaker 1: that are less addictive than cocaine probably, So we're back,
Speaker 1: we're talking about Grisella Blanco who has just moved to
Speaker 1: Miami and seventy eight to establish a cocaine empire. Well,
Speaker 1: at this point in the story, Miami is a quiet
Speaker 1: little town on the coast filled with old people that
Speaker 1: Griselda Blanco has just moved in and decided to turn
Speaker 1: into the cocaine mecca of the United States. Now, at
Speaker 1: this point it is sort of the marijuana capital of
Speaker 1: the US. The pot smoke during the Summer of Love
Speaker 1: entered the United States through Miami. UM, but the pot
Speaker 1: business hasn't had a huge impact on the city itself.
Speaker 1: UH and the cartels are rapidly moving away from marijuana
Speaker 1: because pots bulky and it's hard to hide. It smells.
Speaker 1: Cops were actively looking for it, and they weren't looking
Speaker 1: for cocaine at this point. UH. And cocaine at this
Speaker 1: point in time was worth about thirty five thousand dollars
Speaker 1: a pound in like nineteen seventies dollars, So that's the
Speaker 1: equivalent of like two or three years income for a
Speaker 1: middle class person if you can smuggle one pound of
Speaker 1: cocaine across the border. UM. In the late seventies, coke
Speaker 1: was still a rare and exotic drug that only the
Speaker 1: really rich people could do. A single gram would be
Speaker 1: sixty to one hundred bucks. Or report from the National
Speaker 1: Institute on Drug Abuse in nineteen seventy seven estimated that
Speaker 1: less than one percent of adults in the country had
Speaker 1: even tried it. Like twenty years later, it would be
Speaker 1: more like fift of adults had tried it. So cocaine
Speaker 1: explodes in this period of time, from like the late
Speaker 1: seventies up through the eighties, and Grisello Blanco is most
Speaker 1: of the reason why, because she starts moving cocaine in
Speaker 1: by the thousands and thousands of pounds. Within a few
Speaker 1: months of coming to Miami, her income had tripled. Other
Speaker 1: drug kingpins followed the Queen pen and soon Miami was
Speaker 1: awashing to see a blow. Cocaine money actually built the
Speaker 1: city of Miami that we know today. Huge numbers of
Speaker 1: bars and nightclubs were built to act as front for
Speaker 1: cartel operations. Giant buildings sold with condos and penthouses shot
Speaker 1: up because there's all these people with drug money now
Speaker 1: that are just like wanting to buy nice places on
Speaker 1: the beach banks who were willing to look at scance
Speaker 1: a little blow got rich beyond their wildest dreams and
Speaker 1: also bought giant skyscrapers to house there. Now I feel
Speaker 1: we could help our economy. We're just getting super into coke.
Speaker 1: Well we're doing this now with pot in the north West.
Speaker 1: So there's all these little towns in Oregon that we're
Speaker 1: like just to stop on the road five years ago
Speaker 1: that are now filled with money and rich people and buildings.
Speaker 1: Because like the fucking pot industry. Then, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: feel like we're doing that here. Like I don't think
Speaker 1: people are making a ton off of pot here in California,
Speaker 1: well know, because California, you can get what eight hundred
Speaker 1: bucks for a pound of weed here, like whereas you know,
Speaker 1: in the parts of the country where it's still illicit,
Speaker 1: it still goes for a couple of grand so they
Speaker 1: still have to hide it kind of out there. Most
Speaker 1: of the growers you're going to meet some some of
Speaker 1: them are fully legit and they just sell within the
Speaker 1: state or within like the legal states. But a lot
Speaker 1: of them will sell a little bit legally to sort
Speaker 1: of cover their operations, and then we'll sell a lot
Speaker 1: more in parts of the country where like it's you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's where pot comes from, is the Northwest. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only thing that would terrify me about this is
Speaker 1: I've seen good fellas, so I'm like scary. I would
Speaker 1: be scared to get into this world. Oh it is
Speaker 1: a scary world, like you're gonna die. Yeah. And and
Speaker 1: the pot industry right now has some some ugliness to it,
Speaker 1: But the cocaine era, in my it was unbelievably you
Speaker 1: know what, at least pot chills you out. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: your competitors you're all chill, and you might end up
Speaker 1: like meeting up to fight and then you smoke together. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know whereas coke people are so angry, been around cokeheads,
Speaker 1: and once they start doing more coke, it's not going
Speaker 1: to calm them down. Yeah. So this leads to a
Speaker 1: period of time called the Cocaine Wars, which were largely
Speaker 1: focused in South Florida. Griselda was probably the most successful
Speaker 1: uh coke baron of the early cocaine wars. She developed
Speaker 1: a reputation for being willing to kill basically anyone for
Speaker 1: basically no reason. At one point, she cornered an arms
Speaker 1: dealer with a machette and was about to cut him
Speaker 1: to pieces. The man begged her not to and begged
Speaker 1: her to instead get a gun from his car and
Speaker 1: just shoot him. So she she shot him, and she
Speaker 1: told everybody like she would tell the story to people,
Speaker 1: that she showed mercy to this guy by shooting him
Speaker 1: rather than cutting him up. So she got another nickname
Speaker 1: out of that, La Kampaseva, the compassionate one. So now
Speaker 1: she's up to three nicknames, all pretty good. Um. So,
Speaker 1: at one point Griselda stole two million dollars from a
Speaker 1: business associate and had that associate tortured and killed and
Speaker 1: wrapped in plastic and toss into a canal. She was
Speaker 1: probably responsible for more than two murders in Dade County,
Speaker 1: Florida alone. UM. In nineteen seventy nine, two of Griselda's
Speaker 1: men drove a white Happy Time party supply van up
Speaker 1: to the dad Land Mall, got out and started firing
Speaker 1: machine guns into a liquor store. They killed two men
Speaker 1: who arrivals of Griselda's, and they wounded a clerk. The
Speaker 1: shootout became known as the dad Land Mall massacre because
Speaker 1: the bar for being dubbed a massacre was set a
Speaker 1: lot lower back in the seventies, like two people, doesn't
Speaker 1: even get on the news. And but they were using
Speaker 1: machine guns, and they wound up just like driving around
Speaker 1: the parking lot of the mall in their white van
Speaker 1: firing machine guns randomly in the buildings for a while.
Speaker 1: And then they left the van uh and the police
Speaker 1: who searched it found that it had been bulletproofed. It
Speaker 1: was filled with machine guns and ammo. They described it
Speaker 1: as a war wagon. It was basically like a tank
Speaker 1: in the body of a box truck. So this was
Speaker 1: kind of like the moment in the Cocaine Wars where
Speaker 1: the police were like, oh my god, this is like
Speaker 1: so like cops at this point, they're all just carrying
Speaker 1: a little six shooters. They don't have machine guns, they
Speaker 1: don't have body armor, there's not much in the way
Speaker 1: of swat teams. And they realized that like the gangsters
Speaker 1: in Miami are tooling around and armored cars with with
Speaker 1: machine guns. And so this is like the moment that
Speaker 1: catalyzes that the coke wars have gotten really fucking serious. Um.
Speaker 1: And it's also a moment that catalyzed another great cocaine
Speaker 1: innovation for Grissel de Blanco. She was frustrated by the
Speaker 1: loss of her fourteen thousand dollar, which was a lot
Speaker 1: of money back then. War wagon. Wait, why did they
Speaker 1: leave it? It's not known, but they do. I think
Speaker 1: it's probably because the traffic was bad, so they realized
Speaker 1: they be able to get away faster on foot. And
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks later she lost two of her
Speaker 1: assassins because the cops caught them after killing a guy
Speaker 1: because they were stuck in traffic in their car. So
Speaker 1: she decides cars are bullshit and starts having all of
Speaker 1: her hitman drive motorcycles and in vince the motorcycle drive
Speaker 1: by assassination, which would come to be one of the
Speaker 1: truly great innovations that cocaine wars, because you could just
Speaker 1: zoom up, shoot someone to death, and then roll out
Speaker 1: or wherever. Pablo Escobar used a shipload of motorcycle assassins
Speaker 1: like in his Rise to Power. So this was like
Speaker 1: a major uh innovation in killing people in the coke industry.
Speaker 1: And it gives a bad name to motorcyclists. Man, I've
Speaker 1: met some of the nicest leather daddy's out there. If
Speaker 1: you get into the cocaine business, I mean, assuming they're
Speaker 1: in the cocaine business. I assume every motorcyclist, No, I
Speaker 1: assume they're all on their way to like volunteer somewhere,
Speaker 1: because that's all of the stories I see on my feed.
Speaker 1: You know, It'll be like tadded motorcycle guy like helps
Speaker 1: elderly woman across the street. So that's my how I
Speaker 1: view them. I mean, theoretically, if writing a motorcycle allows
Speaker 1: you to more efficiently assassinate people and escape traffic, it
Speaker 1: also allows you to more efficiently volunteer your time at
Speaker 1: soup kitchen. Yeah see, yeah, it would checks out. And
Speaker 1: they're saving the environment by they Yeah, they are. That's
Speaker 1: why they get to use like the carpool lane less emissions.
Speaker 1: So you could say she developed a green way to
Speaker 1: assassinate people. Yeah yeah, and that yeah yeah, yeah, she's
Speaker 1: an environmental also, she is, you know, taking more people
Speaker 1: off the planet. And these are usually very rich people,
Speaker 1: probably consuming a lot too. Yeah. They're also bad, well
Speaker 1: some of them, some of them. I think some of
Speaker 1: them heard competitors that are also murdering people. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's the nice thing about the cocaine Wars
Speaker 1: is that you don't have to feel super bad. It's
Speaker 1: kind of interesting. They're killing each other. Yeah. So Miami
Speaker 1: became the most violent city in the United States pretty
Speaker 1: rapidly after Grizelda moved there. In nineteen seventy nine. It
Speaker 1: had three hundred forty nine murders in nineteen eighty there
Speaker 1: were five hundred and seventy three murders in nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: one that were six hundred murders. So many people were
Speaker 1: dying that the coroner's office ran out of space to
Speaker 1: put the corpses. The medical investigator had the least refrigerated
Speaker 1: truck from a burger King for eight hundred dollars a month,
Speaker 1: so they have enough space for all the bodies. That's
Speaker 1: super dark. Yeah, that's super dark's dying, but having a
Speaker 1: stay in a burger king. Yeah, not even McDonald's because
Speaker 1: back then McDonald's was huge. Like staying in the second
Speaker 1: rate refrigerator. God, yeah, that's that's a bummer. And it's
Speaker 1: also just like if you get up in the morning
Speaker 1: and reason and out, in and out. Yes, definitely not Arby's.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry Arby's people. Maybe you know what a dairy
Speaker 1: queen would be chill, Yeah, Like I mean I think
Speaker 1: about like getting up in the morning, like that's one
Speaker 1: of the signs to move out of a place. As
Speaker 1: you get up and you read that, like we don't
Speaker 1: have room for all the dead people, Like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm leaving. Uh So. The head of Miami's Police Benevolent
Speaker 1: Association warned that the criminal justice system could no longer
Speaker 1: protect people and urged citizens to arm themselves, which again
Speaker 1: not a great sign. Uh So, while all this is happening,
Speaker 1: Griselda is making billions and billions of dollars, but she's
Speaker 1: also grown more and more paranoid, partly because she's smoking
Speaker 1: even more bazooka now and partly because tons of people
Speaker 1: want her dead because she's that would be hard. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: um So she's both paranoid and actually being hunted by people.
Speaker 1: She mostly sticks to her homes, which now included in
Speaker 1: a Miami mansion as well as the Biscayne Bay penthouse.
Speaker 1: The mansion had a bronze bust of her face at
Speaker 1: the entryway. Up and coming drug lords who visited the
Speaker 1: Godmother took to rubbing the bust for good luck. One
Speaker 1: of these enterprising youngsters was apparently a man named Pablo Escobar.
Speaker 1: Again just one of that back in her life, back
Speaker 1: in her life. Well, he's learning, you know. Yeah, Pablo
Speaker 1: is always good at learning from teachers. That's what everyone
Speaker 1: knows him for. Wow. Well, you know, do you think
Speaker 1: that she could have gotten out of the business at
Speaker 1: this point if she wanted to. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: something Once you're in it, you're in it for life. Definitely,
Speaker 1: once you've got a couple hundred murders that you've ordered,
Speaker 1: there's probably no going back. You're right, because it's one
Speaker 1: of those things. She could have gone back to Columbia
Speaker 1: and been safer from the ops. But then, like there's
Speaker 1: got to be a shipload of people who win are
Speaker 1: dead in Columbia. She so, she it's not worth it.
Speaker 1: I mean, being having millions of dollars in multiple homes
Speaker 1: but never knowing at what point you're going to die? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I guess we're all going to die.
Speaker 1: But like, even if she moved to a different country
Speaker 1: that she's never been to before, I still feel like
Speaker 1: I'd be looking over my shoulder the rest of my life. Well,
Speaker 1: that's the downside of like drug money that you have
Speaker 1: to kill people for, is that you never like, you're
Speaker 1: never safe um So, grisse Old was on top at
Speaker 1: this point, but she's basically hiding in her massive houses
Speaker 1: doing shiploads of cocaine. She turned to increasingly uh wild
Speaker 1: parties in order to kind of take her mind off
Speaker 1: the threat of impending death or legal Actually, she's in
Speaker 1: her forties. She's like, she's like. During this time, she
Speaker 1: was known to force both men and women to have
Speaker 1: sex with her at gunpoint. She's also accused of having
Speaker 1: frequent bisexual orgies at her mansions. Um again, it's hard
Speaker 1: to tell. This is what the cops say that she
Speaker 1: was doing. Um So, it's hard to tell if they're
Speaker 1: just trying to slander her or if she is just
Speaker 1: Has she spoken about her sexual life before, not about
Speaker 1: this stuff, okay, but she talked about running topless when
Speaker 1: she was fourteen. Yeah, she talked about that. She told
Speaker 1: that to one of her lovers. But you probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: talk about your frequent bisexual orgies. I mean, if I
Speaker 1: had million, I already do that now, But if I had,
Speaker 1: But I'm not kidding. If he and I talk about
Speaker 1: sexual stuff on our podcast all the time, but we're
Speaker 1: also were exactly so I hear both millennials so, um,
Speaker 1: I hear frequent bisexual orgies now and there's nothing bad
Speaker 1: about it. But in THEE they clearly meant it as
Speaker 1: a slur when the cops Yeah yeah, um, now everyone's
Speaker 1: gonna think I have orgies. I haven't. It's on my
Speaker 1: to do list, and I want to make it clear
Speaker 1: that behind the bastards of the show has nothing wrong
Speaker 1: with frequent bisexual orgies. I get what you're saying. Like,
Speaker 1: at the time, the cops were trying to slander her.
Speaker 1: Maybe she did this, maybe, and so they use that
Speaker 1: as opposed to like murdering a hundred people, So instead
Speaker 1: they use like, oh, but also, she's bisexual, has sex parties.
Speaker 1: This is America. Were always more scared of sex than violent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well we're great at violence, we're not good at you know,
Speaker 1: being healthy sexually. Yeah, it's like she's murdered people. But
Speaker 1: also she's not a lady. Yeah yeah, but also she's
Speaker 1: not Christian. Okay, so she's a billionaire. Now she's indulging
Speaker 1: in rich people passions, buying, like buying lots of dumb
Speaker 1: expensive stuff. Griselda Blanco purchased a gold plated Mactin machine
Speaker 1: pistol with in late Emeralds. She owned a set of
Speaker 1: Eva Paron's pearls and a t set that had once
Speaker 1: been property of the Queen of England. Um. So she's
Speaker 1: like buying crazy rich person stuff and having parties, which
Speaker 1: is what you do if you're a billionaire and wanted
Speaker 1: by a bunch of criminals. Yeah. Um. Her third husband,
Speaker 1: Dario Sepulvida, started spending one and more time in Colombia
Speaker 1: in the early eighties. Griselda eventually learned that he was
Speaker 1: cheating on her, and she did the thing. Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: Your wife's name is the Bacu widow. Don't funk with her.
Speaker 1: Oh man, what if they're like terrified, So they're like
Speaker 1: confiding in the arms of another because they're so scared
Speaker 1: that they like have an emotional partner, you know, like
Speaker 1: emotional cheating. And then she kills them. And then she yeah, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you've you've kind of anticipated what's about to happen. Uh.
Speaker 1: She hires a bunch of assassins to dress his police officers,
Speaker 1: pull over Dario's car and machine gun him to death.
Speaker 1: In Metaine. Her son, five year old Michael Corleone, was
Speaker 1: in the backseat of the car at the time. Um.
Speaker 1: Having people killed next to their kids was kind of
Speaker 1: a pattern for Griselda. In two, she tried to kill
Speaker 1: a rival coke dealer, Jesus Castro, for making fun of
Speaker 1: her son's but I think her assassins had missed Castro
Speaker 1: but hit and killed his two year old son, who
Speaker 1: was also in the car. In eighty three, she had
Speaker 1: a married couple murdered while their children were in the
Speaker 1: adjacent room. Um, and she actually wanted the kids killed,
Speaker 1: I think, but her assassins were like, we're not going
Speaker 1: to go that far. Um. Yeah, So she's she's fully
Speaker 1: off the fucking chain at this point. By night eighty four,
Speaker 1: she'd made a lot of enemies and had a bounty
Speaker 1: more than four million dollars on her head from everyone,
Speaker 1: like multiple different people. So all of the Godfather's got
Speaker 1: together and put a bounty on several of them. Did
Speaker 1: she had allies to No, no, no, no, okay, no
Speaker 1: that she she like she has piste off everybody. They
Speaker 1: did one of those roundtable things where it was like
Speaker 1: all the heads of the families got together, this lady
Speaker 1: is crazy and we need to kill her. Um. She
Speaker 1: claimed that she loved being at war, but repeated at
Speaker 1: hymns in her life finally convinced her to flee Miami
Speaker 1: for Irvine, California, the real place to die. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's the motto of her right. It's a good place
Speaker 1: to die, a good place to be forgotten. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: So it was an Irvine in The police finally caught
Speaker 1: up with her. They knocked on the door of the
Speaker 1: home she shared with her mother and young son, Michael Corleone,
Speaker 1: and arrested the god Mother. It's that name. That's why
Speaker 1: gave it away. It's very clear she's Yeah. So they
Speaker 1: find her lying in bed with her bible. The officer
Speaker 1: who arrested her, a guy named Palumbo, kissed her on
Speaker 1: the cheek as a handcuffed her because he promised to
Speaker 1: do that for some reason. I don't know. Cops are weird. Um.
Speaker 1: So yeah. So now the Godmother, after almost twenty years
Speaker 1: in the coke business and billions of dollars, has been
Speaker 1: caught by the police. Her past is cut up with
Speaker 1: her and she's about to go to prison. And we're
Speaker 1: going to get into what happens in prison after the
Speaker 1: break and we're back. Uh, we're talking about Roseldo Blanco.
Speaker 1: She has been arrested in nineteen five. The police had
Speaker 1: a very strong case against her. Um, they were able
Speaker 1: to get her long bisexual. Yeah, yeah, exactly. They locked
Speaker 1: her up for being bisexual. Um. But yeah, they were
Speaker 1: able to get her in prison for like a decade
Speaker 1: or so, But they didn't have quite enough to put
Speaker 1: her away for life, because you know, she was smart,
Speaker 1: she keeps her Yeah, yeah. Um. Their hope was that
Speaker 1: while she was locked up, they'd be able to dig
Speaker 1: up enough dirt to convict her of murder. Griselda wound
Speaker 1: up taking like a special plea deal to get her
Speaker 1: sentence locked in at twenty years, which was a pretty
Speaker 1: good deal considering the two fifty murders the state blamed
Speaker 1: on her. Um. But she's behind bars for a while now. Um.
Speaker 1: Her arrest and the subsequent revelations about her life of
Speaker 1: crime were big news. She became known as the Queen
Speaker 1: of Cocaine and the subject of many lurid daytime TV
Speaker 1: news profiles and one man, a street level coke dealer
Speaker 1: from Oakland named Charles Cosby, saw one of these daytime
Speaker 1: TV things and became obsessed with the Queen of cocaine.
Speaker 1: He happened to have a connection to her in prison,
Speaker 1: and so he wrote her a note quote, godmother, I
Speaker 1: think you're the greatest queen to ever sit on the throne.
Speaker 1: I've admired you ever since I first heard of you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, and I salute you for being a
Speaker 1: real woman. Unquote. I'm not gonna lie. That sounds like
Speaker 1: some of the d M that I get. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1: I will show you after this. It'll be like some
Speaker 1: guy called me my beautiful sweat Queen. I think he
Speaker 1: meant to say sweet yeah, and so I like screenshot it.
Speaker 1: I cut out his name whatever. He didn't deserve that
Speaker 1: because he was a rando and I get a lot
Speaker 1: of random creepy dudes. But it was like, my beautiful
Speaker 1: sweat Queen. And then I just asked everybody to start
Speaker 1: calling me that, my beautiful queen. Your gorgeous eye like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I feel like sweat Queen is a solid
Speaker 1: like young shirt. I sweat. You're right, you're right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't be the queen again then that that's reserved
Speaker 1: for Beyonce. But I can be a sweat queen for sure.
Speaker 1: Sweat Queen Uh. So, yeah, that's the letter he writes her.
Speaker 1: He also tells her he wants to meet her in person.
Speaker 1: Three days later, Cosby gets a phone call. Uh. Griselda
Speaker 1: asked if she could talk to him, and you know
Speaker 1: when he answered, she asked why he was interested in her.
Speaker 1: Cosby responded that he wanted to quote rub elbows with
Speaker 1: a legend. The wart up talking for an hour. The
Speaker 1: pair struck up a friendship and then a romance. Soon
Speaker 1: they were talking every day. Griselda told Cosby her whole
Speaker 1: life story, or at least the parts of it she
Speaker 1: wanted to tell and wasn't afraid to reveal over a
Speaker 1: jail house phone line. The version of her story we
Speaker 1: hear from him is a lot more sympathetic. For example,
Speaker 1: the guy that she had shot in front of her son,
Speaker 1: she as it was because he kidnapped her kid um.
Speaker 1: And the other is that she just thought he was
Speaker 1: cheating and murdered a third husband. Um. But anyway, Cosby,
Speaker 1: if you watch the documentary Cocaine Cowboys Too, which is
Speaker 1: on Netflix, yeah, there's there's two coke and they're not.
Speaker 1: It's weird because like the information and the docs is good.
Speaker 1: They have a lot of really good interviews with people
Speaker 1: who were like smugglers at the time. But it's like
Speaker 1: they're hideous, is the only way to describe it. Like
Speaker 1: the the editing and the art is just just the worst.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll watch it, Maybe I'll audio, Yeah you could.
Speaker 1: It's like cooking in the other room and can hear it.
Speaker 1: It's the perfect documentary to cook while it's on somewhere
Speaker 1: else and you're not looking at the screen. That's what
Speaker 1: I do most of the time when I'm watching something.
Speaker 1: I mean, I answer my emails and just casually have
Speaker 1: this season on in the background. Yeah, Like the second
Speaker 1: one deals more with Griselda's life, and it it animates
Speaker 1: stuff like that time that her mom attacked her and
Speaker 1: she ran topless through the night. But it does it
Speaker 1: in like the grossest way possible, where it's almost like
Speaker 1: this is like fucking poor, Like what were you thinking
Speaker 1: and putting this together? Um? Was it made by this guy?
Speaker 1: He's their main source, and so the documentary is not
Speaker 1: very credible towards him like it does it doesn't question
Speaker 1: him on anything. And I think we'll talk about Cosby
Speaker 1: once you hear a little bit more about him. But
Speaker 1: he's an interesting character. Um, and clearly he has his
Speaker 1: own angles and everything that he's saying. So again, like
Speaker 1: we never know anything about this woman. Um, we just
Speaker 1: have a bunch of different stories. Did she even exist?
Speaker 1: She definitely exists, do I mean? Do we have rebirth certificate?
Speaker 1: We have her audio that we're going to play, Okay, Um,
Speaker 1: so yeah. After a few days of phone calls, Uh,
Speaker 1: Cosby visits Griselda in prison. He immediately noticed that while
Speaker 1: every other prisoner wore a standard issue prison jumpsuit, Griselda
Speaker 1: had on a silk jack. Yes, white silk pan, red
Speaker 1: pumps and a ton of makeup. Before you even said,
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's going to say silk and it was
Speaker 1: the first thing that came out of your mouth. Yes,
Speaker 1: oh I respect it. Maybe, Oh yeah. They start making
Speaker 1: out immediately in the visitors room, just going, don't even
Speaker 1: count on each other, and then they like fuck in
Speaker 1: this like little private ish area. She apparently bribed the
Speaker 1: guards fifteen hundred dollars every time he visited she she's
Speaker 1: a billionaire. I mean, I know, but you think that
Speaker 1: they would like take her assets or something? Why? Because
Speaker 1: they're illegal? I mean I assume she's got her money
Speaker 1: in foreign banks and stuff like, if you're that level
Speaker 1: of drug impresario, you don't lose your money just because
Speaker 1: you go behind bars. Um. So she promised that she
Speaker 1: would make Cosby rich, and she cut him in on
Speaker 1: some of her business dealings. Um. She was continuing to
Speaker 1: manage her cocaine empire from behind bars. Her network had
Speaker 1: shrunk since she got arrested, but she was still netting
Speaker 1: like fifty million a year in profits. Um. Forty five
Speaker 1: days after he met her, Cosby claims he was a
Speaker 1: millionaire too. He went from slinging ounces to selling hundreds
Speaker 1: of pounds of blow. Cosby visited Griselda in prison every week. So, uh,
Speaker 1: prison was not the same thing for Griselda that it
Speaker 1: was or anybody else in prison. Her status is a
Speaker 1: billionaire and her just rock her rhythma meant that life
Speaker 1: didn't change all that much once she was inside. She
Speaker 1: bribed guards to bring her money, cocaine, Colombian sausages, and perfume.
Speaker 1: Um for a time. Allways, well, Griselda fell madly in
Speaker 1: love with Charles Cosby, and the two carried out a
Speaker 1: surprisingly intimate relationship, considering she was incarcerated the whole time.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of pictures of them at the jail definitely. Look,
Speaker 1: Oh is that them like outside? Yeah, it's like out
Speaker 1: in the yard or something. Yeah, dang, look at home.
Speaker 1: My gosh, she's she's dressed right, yeah, look at her
Speaker 1: pose in like little princess. Yeah. So we'll have those
Speaker 1: pictures up on our website behind the Bastards dot com,
Speaker 1: so you can see Charles Cosby and the cocaine godmother
Speaker 1: um just sort of having a nice, nice little picnic
Speaker 1: at prison. Um. In r three older sons were released
Speaker 1: from prison, her enemies almost immediately set to murdering them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's kind of what happens. Oswaldo was killed in
Speaker 1: Metaine at a cell laboration for his release at Hilton.
Speaker 1: He was a machine gun to death. Cosby, who informed Griselda,
Speaker 1: says she screamed for like minutes when she heard that
Speaker 1: her son was dead. She wrote a note that was
Speaker 1: read at her son's Colombian funeral to the cowards who
Speaker 1: killed my son, the ground will shake beneath your feet.
Speaker 1: This deed will be punished. And a few days later
Speaker 1: the killers were caught and tortured for like a week
Speaker 1: before being executed. Um, Griselda was still formidable even though
Speaker 1: she was behind bars. She was strong, but she was
Speaker 1: not stronger than Charles Cosby's desire to have sex more
Speaker 1: than once a week. Started cheating on her with some lady.
Speaker 1: Did he not read or did he not know? He
Speaker 1: was obsessed with her? This? Yeah, I feel like I mean,
Speaker 1: he probably thought he could get away with it because
Speaker 1: she was in prison, but clearly she had people spying
Speaker 1: on him from prison because one day, as he's heading home,
Speaker 1: he gets a warning from Griselda, which is two guys
Speaker 1: driving up and firing machine guns into his car. His
Speaker 1: car is shot twelve times and he takes a bullet
Speaker 1: in the arm. I don't think that was a warning.
Speaker 1: I think they were trying to murder him. That's a
Speaker 1: warning for her. I think they were trying to murder
Speaker 1: I feel like, if there's only twelve holes in his car,
Speaker 1: that was like her putting like she had kid gloves
Speaker 1: on still, because she she calls him as soon as
Speaker 1: he gets home. So he's like staggers home in a
Speaker 1: shot up car, bleeding from the arm and gets a
Speaker 1: phone call and she tells him to meet her at
Speaker 1: the prison the next day, which he does because yeah,
Speaker 1: what else do you do? When he arrives, she just
Speaker 1: starts strangling him in the visiting room and all the
Speaker 1: guards are watching and just don't do anything like. She
Speaker 1: just throttles him for like a couple of minutes until
Speaker 1: he manages to get away, and he shouts at her
Speaker 1: and tells her that if she ever tries it again,
Speaker 1: he'll beat the ship out of her. She just stares
Speaker 1: at him and says, Charles, You're no more a threat
Speaker 1: to me than a fly is on my shirt. And again,
Speaker 1: this is Cosby's recollection of what happened. Um, it's kind
Speaker 1: of incredible He's alive at all. Given Griselda's history and
Speaker 1: murdered husband's, she must really care about him. I think
Speaker 1: she did, because she told him she loved him a bunch.
Speaker 1: And in his recollection of events, he claims that he
Speaker 1: was able to get her to see re reason by
Speaker 1: basically saying like, look, I love you, I'm in love
Speaker 1: with you, but you're stuck in prison and I'm a
Speaker 1: man like once a week isn't enough for me, and
Speaker 1: she like agreed that made sense and forgave him. Um,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, pretty progressive. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: prison polyamory almost. Um So, Griselda seemed to be pretty
Speaker 1: happy with her love life, but things were not going
Speaker 1: nearly so well on the legal end of things. The
Speaker 1: authorities had continued to pursue her. Since she'd made her
Speaker 1: plea deal. She wasn't as blamed on creating the crime
Speaker 1: wave that turned Miami into a battleground. The show Miami
Speaker 1: Vices based on the drug war she had united. Uh so, yeah,
Speaker 1: the cops kept after her. In a n she was
Speaker 1: indicted for three murders. Now, murder indictments weren't a new
Speaker 1: thing for Griselda, but these ones were scary because her
Speaker 1: former hit man, a guy named Rivy, had turned state's
Speaker 1: witness against her. Cosby says Griselda had a mental breakdown
Speaker 1: when Rivy flipped. Among other things, Rivy testified that Griselda
Speaker 1: had paid him fifty thou dollars to assassinate a man
Speaker 1: while her three year old son, Michael Corleone, was in
Speaker 1: the room. She said, Rivy has enough dirt on me
Speaker 1: to put me on death row ten times. She who
Speaker 1: was facing the death penalty in that fact, terrifighter. Cosby
Speaker 1: didn't understand her panic. He was like, you're a billionaire,
Speaker 1: We've got to spend twenty or thirty million fighting this thing.
Speaker 1: Let's just let's just do that. Um. But she told
Speaker 1: him she had a way out of the situation. UM. Again.
Speaker 1: He kept suggesting we should hire a lawyer. But Griselda
Speaker 1: had a better idea than hiring a lawyer. She was
Speaker 1: going to kidnap the president's son. Um. So she told
Speaker 1: him she needed a favor. The president of the United States,
Speaker 1: well a president of the United States. Um. She told
Speaker 1: him she needed a favor, reached into her brazier and
Speaker 1: handed him a piece of paper that had JFK five
Speaker 1: m n why written on it. She told her to
Speaker 1: get him to give it to an associate of hers.
Speaker 1: Cosby asked what the paper mint, and Griselda said, we're
Speaker 1: going to move against Kennedy, who you know, the president's son.
Speaker 1: We're going to kidnap JFK in New York and we're
Speaker 1: gonna give five million dollars to the kidnappers. So she's
Speaker 1: decided to kidnap JFK Jr. The son of the murdered president,
Speaker 1: who at this point is kind of like a playboy
Speaker 1: socialite living in New York City. By throwing him into
Speaker 1: a van in and then ransom him for her freedom.
Speaker 1: He'd be released once her plane touchdown in Columbia. Cosby
Speaker 1: flew to New York with four Columbians and a hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Ironically landed in JFK Airport. They bought a
Speaker 1: van in nice clothing and started stalking JFK Jr. That's hilarious.
Speaker 1: She could have just used millions of dollars to bribe
Speaker 1: all the like jury and just Hi, what's his name?
Speaker 1: The crazy haired guy who got lawyers? Yeah, what's his name?
Speaker 1: Off o j Off, Like that guy was still alive
Speaker 1: back then, he could have done it. But no, she
Speaker 1: decides to kidnap the president's son. Um. So apparently the
Speaker 1: three kidnappers got close enough to do the deed at
Speaker 1: one point that a random police car happened to pass
Speaker 1: by and they lost their nerve. What happens next is
Speaker 1: a little bit unclear. He's also like one of the
Speaker 1: most watched people as opposed to like kidnapping somebody else.
Speaker 1: You're kidnapping somebody that has like constant security. Well, he
Speaker 1: apparently didn't have bodyguards at this point, so he okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: how old was he he was? I think he was
Speaker 1: linking his thirties rely, Uh he was. I mean he
Speaker 1: didn't live that much longer after this is it the
Speaker 1: plain thing? But yeah, So Charles Cosby claims that he
Speaker 1: realized kidnapping the present son was a bad idea, uh,
Speaker 1: and but that he was willing to do it for her,
Speaker 1: and then the plan got spoiled because of a phone
Speaker 1: conversation that they had. Uh this conversation actually, which is
Speaker 1: where you'll get to hear Griselda Blanco talking to Charles
Speaker 1: Cosby about the JFK kidnapping How are you man? I'm
Speaker 1: doing true good man? Couse, Michael dor I got come
Speaker 1: to give you a microL trup so so, so I
Speaker 1: h a JFK plan come together after. I'm glad to
Speaker 1: bear that, you know. But but you you'd be sure
Speaker 1: to be careful though, you know, I mean, just always
Speaker 1: know what you're doing at the time. You know. I
Speaker 1: love you. I didn't do today tomorrow. I love you
Speaker 1: so I love you always. Okay, okay, okay, okay, baby, okay,
Speaker 1: But so that sounds to me like he's trying to
Speaker 1: set her up to admit something about just like the
Speaker 1: way his voice sounds on that. Um So, there's a
Speaker 1: couple different versions of the timeline. Cosby claims that he uh,
Speaker 1: he flew back to California and had this phone call
Speaker 1: with her, and then the police were at his door
Speaker 1: because they realized something was going on with JFK. He
Speaker 1: gets a poenut and he was forced to testify. Um.
Speaker 1: The more likely thing is that Cosby flew straight to
Speaker 1: Miami and got in connection with the police who were
Speaker 1: investigating Griselda and set this all up so that he
Speaker 1: could turn her in to try to get free from
Speaker 1: a shipload of crimes that he committed. Um and I
Speaker 1: think that's what happened. Um So, prosecutors at this point
Speaker 1: are pretty sure that got Griselda dead to rights, both
Speaker 1: Cosby and her former hit man. We're willing to roll
Speaker 1: on her for a litany of her if it crimes.
Speaker 1: But then during the deposition, uh, Cosby got up to
Speaker 1: go to the restroom. While he was walking back to
Speaker 1: the room, he claims he was approached by one of
Speaker 1: the secretaries from the Major Crimes Division of the Dade
Speaker 1: County Prosecutor's office, and I'm going to play a selection
Speaker 1: from the documentary where he explains how this interaction went down.
Speaker 1: As I'm leaving a bathroom, almost bumped head on into
Speaker 1: a secretary. She was, you know, a nice looking lady.
Speaker 1: She smiled and I smiled. She reached out her hand
Speaker 1: and pressed a piece of paper in my hand, so
Speaker 1: open my hand. I folded the paper. It basically said, Charles,
Speaker 1: I think you're cute and I would like to meet
Speaker 1: up with you later at your hotel. So I spawned,
Speaker 1: you know, I went my you know the number, you
Speaker 1: know where I'm staying at. She walked off, her little
Speaker 1: slim ass, switching down the hallway in her skirt. So
Speaker 1: I laughed at myself and I went back to the
Speaker 1: Prosecutor's office. So uh. He claims. She visited him at
Speaker 1: his hotel later that night and they had sex. She
Speaker 1: swarmed a secrecy, But six months later it turned out
Speaker 1: that the secretary had also started a sex relationship with Rivy,
Speaker 1: the cartel hitman, who was the other major witness against Griselda.
Speaker 1: Here's how a book and this is again this is
Speaker 1: very weird and complicated, but basically both of the state's
Speaker 1: major witnesses have now engaged in a sexual relationship with
Speaker 1: the same person. Yeah, well, and Rivy is engaged in
Speaker 1: it with two secretaries phone sex. Here's how the book
Speaker 1: Queen Pens describes what Rivy did with the two major
Speaker 1: crime secretaries. Fancying himself an artist, he sent the secretary's
Speaker 1: pencil sketches of flowers and cute hand drawn Garfield the
Speaker 1: cat sketches as opposed to actual flowers. Okay, well, I
Speaker 1: mean he's in he's in prison. Oh yeah, he could
Speaker 1: still get him ordered, but continue, Yeah, and Garfield the
Speaker 1: cat sketches. That's the most romantic, mean is it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What's more romantic than gars? Like a depressed you know,
Speaker 1: um snarky like yeah, yeah, okay, but you're criticizing this guy.
Speaker 1: But clearly it worked. He would aso give the secretaries
Speaker 1: money to buy gifts for themselves. In return, they made
Speaker 1: arrangements for his wife to visit him in jail while
Speaker 1: here she got pregnant. The secretaries were apparently in love
Speaker 1: with Rivy. One of them described the cold blooded killer
Speaker 1: as a sweetheart. It's another quote from Queenpen's Another secretary
Speaker 1: set up like a Thanksgiving dinner to be delivered to
Speaker 1: his jail cell. Um. Eventually they started having phone conversations
Speaker 1: that were straight up pornographic. Uh, and two secretaries were
Speaker 1: eventually suspended for having phone sex with Rivy. Then the
Speaker 1: prosecutors found out that Cosby had also had sex with
Speaker 1: one of these secretaries, and so that basically meant that
Speaker 1: neither of these guys could deliver their testimonies from the state. Um,
Speaker 1: they've been compromised and they were no longer credible. So
Speaker 1: suddenly a slam dunk case against Griselda goes away completely
Speaker 1: because both of the major witnesses had sex. We can't
Speaker 1: help prosec secretaries. Neither could those secretaries. Yeah, it's it's funny.
Speaker 1: In the documentary about this, the police are still furious
Speaker 1: all these years later that like this happened and it
Speaker 1: just blew this case out of the water. There is
Speaker 1: a widespread belief that Rivy and Cosby did this deliberately
Speaker 1: to discredit the case and also avoid having to snitch
Speaker 1: on Griselda. So this was like a plan that they
Speaker 1: carried out to both It wasn't you think that you
Speaker 1: think they're just suck Yeah, No, it wasn't. They were
Speaker 1: thinking with not with their head head, and and Cosby
Speaker 1: doesn't strike me as a guy who's smart enough to
Speaker 1: plan something right, Well, my beautiful queen. Um, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: Griselda Blanco was released from prison in two thousand four. Um.
Speaker 1: She was flown to Columbia and pretty much everyone expected
Speaker 1: she'd be murdered in a matter of days. Two of
Speaker 1: her sons had already been killed after being sent back there,
Speaker 1: so this was a safe bet. But Griselda lived another
Speaker 1: eight years in a fancy neighborhood and medine walking out
Speaker 1: in the open without bodyguards. And then on September four,
Speaker 1: two thou twelve, Griselda Blanco, the Black Widow, the cocaine godmother,
Speaker 1: walked to a butcher's shop her home and purchased a
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty pounds of meat. As she was walking away,
Speaker 1: a man on a motorcycle drove up to the now
Speaker 1: sixty nine year old and shot her twice at very
Speaker 1: close range. She bled to death on the street next
Speaker 1: to an impossible quantity of meat and apparently a bible. Wow,
Speaker 1: so symbolic to God? What a hundred and fifty pounds
Speaker 1: of meat? Yeah? What is that? One pound for each person?
Speaker 1: She's murdered. Every Bible was there. This was like if
Speaker 1: it was written as like a screenplay or something, you know,
Speaker 1: the like imagery and stuff they want you to pick
Speaker 1: up on. Um okay one again with the motorcyclist murders. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's killed the way she with her own innovation, you know.
Speaker 1: And she's there with meat, which is something that she has,
Speaker 1: you know, cost the lives of others that they were
Speaker 1: nothing but just you know, dead, lifeless meat to her,
Speaker 1: so that you're you're interpreting it the deep way. To me,
Speaker 1: I'm just imagining the sixty nine year old lady with
Speaker 1: a sack of meat the size of a man, just
Speaker 1: struggling down the street in the middle tip of the
Speaker 1: day and Metaine. But maybe she knew she was going
Speaker 1: to go out that way. She's like, I might as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my cross is a man worth of um so uh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's probably worth including a little you know, that doesn't
Speaker 1: really even make sense because she should have servants with
Speaker 1: the amount of money she has. You know, she was
Speaker 1: with like I think one of her nieces or something
Speaker 1: like that, but it's still was her niece watching her
Speaker 1: carry the one pounds by herself there's no details on that,
Speaker 1: but I hope that. I hope that was like it
Speaker 1: wasn't even broken up. It was like she was carrying
Speaker 1: the full load. Um, I just can't imagine her having
Speaker 1: all that money and like like even my my family
Speaker 1: and like Brazilia like servants, So I imagine that she
Speaker 1: would have a full class of you know, but it's
Speaker 1: kind of a thing, and I think this happens sometimes
Speaker 1: to people who like grow up super poor and then
Speaker 1: get rich, where like you kind of want to do
Speaker 1: some things yourself. And maybe she had a bronze thing
Speaker 1: of her own face. I don't, but that's just that's
Speaker 1: just bragging. Yeah, I don't. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: agree with that, but well, and I don't know. It
Speaker 1: may it may have been like the stories just say
Speaker 1: she bought a hundred fifty pounds of meat, so maybe
Speaker 1: it was going to be sent to her house or something.
Speaker 1: Maybe she didn't even have it with her. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just choosing to Why would they include that in the story?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I had to once I read
Speaker 1: it was a hundred and fifty pounds. No, no, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: why would they include that in there? If she wasn't
Speaker 1: if she didn't die with it. It was like she
Speaker 1: made some layaway order to be delivered at a different date. Well.
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's what she did. I just
Speaker 1: know that her last act in life was buying a
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty pounds of me and carrying it with her.
Speaker 1: And I choose to believe she was carrying it over
Speaker 1: her shoulder with a giant sack. Yeah, and her bible
Speaker 1: in another hand. Yeah. The niece or whoever who was
Speaker 1: with her says that she had a Bible in her
Speaker 1: hand that she clutched to her chest as she bled
Speaker 1: to death. But again, that may just be something one
Speaker 1: of her family members threw in for some extra color.
Speaker 1: And she had her full rosary with her and she
Speaker 1: was on the tenth one when she passed. Got it. Yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: it's probably worth including a little PostScript about her kids.
Speaker 1: As I said, two of them died in the Cocaine Wars.
Speaker 1: Michael corleone the youngest state in the United States. After
Speaker 1: his mother was released from prison, he never returned to
Speaker 1: Columbia because two of his brothers had died doing exactly
Speaker 1: that thing. So from age twelve on he was raised
Speaker 1: by a series of legal guardians that he picked himself.
Speaker 1: He would just find people that his mom had worked
Speaker 1: with and say, I'm going to live in your house
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna pay you rent, and you're going to
Speaker 1: be my guardian. Um Cosby claims that he took care
Speaker 1: of Michael Corleone while Griselda was in prisoning. Michael for
Speaker 1: his part, says Cosby as a liar, and the whole
Speaker 1: JFK scheme was also a lie that he made up
Speaker 1: so that he couldn't sell Griselda out to the police
Speaker 1: and avoid murder charges for ship he'd done. Um the
Speaker 1: police aren't saying either way, so we'll never know. But
Speaker 1: Cosby's a freeman today as far as I know. UH.
Speaker 1: An FBI report released after Kennedy's death does show that
Speaker 1: agents couldn't prove that there had ever been a threat
Speaker 1: against him, but that doesn't mean one way or the
Speaker 1: other that it wasn't real. Michael and his mother kept
Speaker 1: in touch after her release, although he never saw her
Speaker 1: again because yeah, you know, Columbia was a death trap
Speaker 1: for him. On May twelve, two thousand twelve, a couple
Speaker 1: of months before his mom was killed, he was charged
Speaker 1: with trying to buy five kilos of cocaine from an
Speaker 1: undercover cop with ten thousand dollars cash, a motorcycle, and
Speaker 1: a diamond studded necklace with the phrase kill all Rats
Speaker 1: written into it. Uh. He seems to have gotten out
Speaker 1: of any serious trouble though, because he's a freeman today
Speaker 1: and active on Facebook. He's out of the cocaine game.
Speaker 1: But today he sells a different drug. Can you guess
Speaker 1: what kind of businesses in now? I'm just kidding. Now
Speaker 1: he sells vape products under the Pure Blanco label. UM,
Speaker 1: and his vaporizer products are like packaged in like a
Speaker 1: little box that looks like a kilo bag of cocaine.
Speaker 1: Kind of. I thought you're going to say that he's
Speaker 1: like and now you can catch him on Tinder, which
Speaker 1: people have. I'm sure you can. Um. Yeah, So I'm
Speaker 1: I'd like to close this episode by reading his latest
Speaker 1: post from April to everyone that has been asking, yes,
Speaker 1: this is our official product and we have invaded the market.
Speaker 1: We have all certifications and thorough testing of our product,
Speaker 1: like Griselda used to test that Pure Blanco. Nothing but
Speaker 1: the finest on this side. You want to buy some
Speaker 1: d m s you want to distribute for us d
Speaker 1: M S. Salute our business partners at wakend Vape. We
Speaker 1: about to blow this up. Uh. Pure Blanco is also
Speaker 1: a lifestyle clothing brand. You can visit their website pure
Speaker 1: blanco dot com right now in order Griselda Blanco themed
Speaker 1: hoodies and T shirts. I mean, I hope they're paying
Speaker 1: you for this ad because maybe they'll hit you up
Speaker 1: and send you some stuff. I will take anything Pure
Speaker 1: Blanco wants to send my way. Um. I feel like
Speaker 1: like it's one of those things I kind of want
Speaker 1: to make fun of Michael Corleone, but he's had like
Speaker 1: his dad and a bunch of people murdered in front
Speaker 1: of him, Like, and his name is Michael Corleon. This
Speaker 1: seems like the best case scenario for that he sells
Speaker 1: vaping products and hoodies. UM. So that's like, that's like
Speaker 1: naming like being a sailor or something, naming your son
Speaker 1: Jack Sparrow or just going through the rest of his
Speaker 1: life as Jack Sparrow. It's so weird to me that
Speaker 1: someone like her would be like everything like her whole life,
Speaker 1: Like every year something happened to her that was crazier
Speaker 1: than anything that went down in the Godfather, and like
Speaker 1: she still was drawn enough to that movie to name
Speaker 1: her kid and after that that's weird, it's funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess aspirational, you're Seldo Blanco. I still need the
Speaker 1: brawl with the cocaine in it. That's god, I'd be
Speaker 1: wild at parties. So do you think the two different
Speaker 1: versions of her that are in my head right now?
Speaker 1: Or either she's like a stone cold, sociopathic badass, which
Speaker 1: is what I thought when I first started reading about
Speaker 1: the ship she did. But like the more I got
Speaker 1: into her story and like hearing her actual voice, I
Speaker 1: feel like she was just a person who got into
Speaker 1: a really ugly line of business and like was smart
Speaker 1: but always just sort of acting out of fear to
Speaker 1: not get killed herself. I don't know if she was
Speaker 1: like um without emotions. She kind of reminds me of
Speaker 1: like a Walter White esque person where it was like
Speaker 1: she kind of fell into this and then um has
Speaker 1: definitely murdered people, but but also kind of like probably
Speaker 1: still has feelings for you know, the family members and
Speaker 1: loved ones and things like that, where she's not just
Speaker 1: completely cold blooded. Yeah, it's not like a dial tone inside,
Speaker 1: but she's just able to like switch into murder mode
Speaker 1: when she gets real, yeah, when she feels threatened. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was something that she felt like she had to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that call between her and Cosby, like she sounds
Speaker 1: almost like genuinely like desperate in her in her I
Speaker 1: don't know how I would be as a woman back
Speaker 1: in that day, because I can't imagine someone telling me no,
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that she heard that constantly. So you know,
Speaker 1: maybe she felt like she had to be this badass
Speaker 1: in order to be successful, and she was. She was
Speaker 1: like one of the most successful women, even though she
Speaker 1: murdered a bunch of people. Yeah, and for someone who
Speaker 1: was born dirt poor and had to like had to
Speaker 1: work as a prostitute on the streets in order to
Speaker 1: make ends meet, to go in like the space of
Speaker 1: five or six years from that to a billionaire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like she like clearly if she had grown up at
Speaker 1: another time and had access to like more opportunities, she
Speaker 1: could have been running Microsoft or whatever right now. Like
Speaker 1: she's got that that combination of business smarts and ruthlessness
Speaker 1: that you need to succeed in capitalism. There was no
Speaker 1: legal avenue for yeah. I always think it's fascinating to
Speaker 1: to look at because there's so many murder shows. I
Speaker 1: feel like like true crime that that look in a
Speaker 1: true crime. But as far as the psychology of like
Speaker 1: would we do that if we had a billion dollars,
Speaker 1: like just get people we didn't like murdered? You know.
Speaker 1: I this sounds really dark, but I do think it's
Speaker 1: like whenever they do those college studies and they like
Speaker 1: give these college students like literally ten hours of power,
Speaker 1: and they all want to kill each other. So it's
Speaker 1: like just looking at human nature instead of looking at
Speaker 1: us like she's a horrible, ruthless person, which she was ruthless,
Speaker 1: but like also looking at what is what would the
Speaker 1: average human being do if they had a billion dollars
Speaker 1: And we're also smoking pounds of uncut cocaine. Yes exactly,
Speaker 1: so you're like highly stressed outrage Um. Yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 1: Griselda Blanco, I want to go back before we close
Speaker 1: out to the quote that I opened this with where
Speaker 1: she called herself the baddest bitch to ever take a
Speaker 1: breath of life. How do you feel about that? On
Speaker 1: the other end of this look, I told you who
Speaker 1: that is so you're still Beyonce probably could get people
Speaker 1: murdered if she wanted to. But she has and I
Speaker 1: don't think that I'm aware of. Um, she has that
Speaker 1: type of money, So yeah, I I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think that if she was the baddest bitch, maybe she
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been caught. Yeah. So, but I mean they
Speaker 1: all get I'll say this. I feel like if she had,
Speaker 1: if she was a young woman today, she could put
Speaker 1: on a kick ass Coachella. Yeah, yeah that's true. Yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: but I I think she's yeah, a bad bitch. But
Speaker 1: her wanting to kill little kids kind of also yeah
Speaker 1: turned off? Yeah yeah, that is a that is does decline.
Speaker 1: See what you do, um is you kill the parents
Speaker 1: and you take the kid under your wing, like if
Speaker 1: she's watched any you know, nineties movie ever. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: then those kids kill you, like always have. We got
Speaker 1: like Kylo Reren and stuff out here. So yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I hear you. You're damned if you do, damned if
Speaker 1: you don't. So you might as well have the kid's
Speaker 1: machine gun. Okay, but I may have been doing this
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