Speaker 1: Mmm, hello friends, I'm Robert Evans, and this is once
Speaker 1: again Behind the Bastards, the show where we tell you
Speaker 1: everything you don't know about the very worst people in
Speaker 1: all of history. Our guest today is on a Sealinas cartoonist, comedian,
Speaker 1: writer person sitting across from me at the table. That
Speaker 1: is my greatest qualification. You have so many qualifications, um Anna,
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us today. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. Well the show. Now, let me ask you.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of a guy named keithrew Neary.
Speaker 1: I will be honest with you. I had not until
Speaker 1: about five minutes ago. Um and you did introduce him
Speaker 1: very nominally. You're killing the movie magic Anna, Oh am,
Speaker 1: I really no, No, it's fine. Uh well, now I
Speaker 1: have to keep going. I feel like, uh you you
Speaker 1: you introduced him as the founder of how do you
Speaker 1: say it? Nexium? So not the heartburn medication. They say name, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not so it's spelled in like all capital letters
Speaker 1: in X, I V M. Because they're super pretentious, super pretentious.
Speaker 1: I was. I was very embarrassed when I thought it
Speaker 1: was the founder of Nexium, the heartburnt medication. No. Upon
Speaker 1: hearing it. It's the same. It is the same, and
Speaker 1: it's not your fault. It's their fault for naming their
Speaker 1: weird cult after a heartburn medication. Yeah, exactly. I think
Speaker 1: existed before Late Night. I've been taking it for years.
Speaker 1: And how long is the sex cult? But going on, Well,
Speaker 1: we're going to get into that today. So, uh, if
Speaker 1: you've heard of Nexium as a sex cult, it's probably
Speaker 1: because Alison Mac, former Small Vill actress, got arrested recently,
Speaker 1: along with the founder of the cult, Keith Renary. They're
Speaker 1: a bunch of New York Times articles about it. They
Speaker 1: called it a sex cult, and so I think if
Speaker 1: that's what most people know about Nexium. Did you read
Speaker 1: the New York Times articles um about Alison Mac? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean no, I read probably the lead Yeah, the
Speaker 1: article you got that she's in some hot water. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I used to watch small also, it was a
Speaker 1: really big shock. Well, I wanna, I wanna make sure
Speaker 1: everybody listening knows even if you read those articles that
Speaker 1: the New York Times posted, and remember every word of
Speaker 1: the this is going to be new to you because
Speaker 1: I started by reading those articles and then I started digging,
Speaker 1: and it turns out there's like thirty some odd years
Speaker 1: of stuff behind this colt and behind this guy, Keith
Speaker 1: rew Eerie, and he is a fascinating piece of ship.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna dig into him a little bit. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Keith ran Eerie and Nexium kind of first hit the
Speaker 1: public mind most recently with the New York Times article
Speaker 1: last October called Inside a secretive group where women are branded.
Speaker 1: The article focused on the creation that's a little v
Speaker 1: uous where women are branded, branded like literally brand yeah
Speaker 1: with a hot eye. Oh my god, because when I
Speaker 1: first heard it, I thought it meant like brand like
Speaker 1: branded content where women are like they're the brand of
Speaker 1: the content. Now you're Cheetos on No, no, no, that's
Speaker 1: that's not that's not what happened. No. Uh. There would
Speaker 1: be five minute branding sessions with a hot iron for
Speaker 1: women who were like part of a special subcult within
Speaker 1: this larger cult. Can I ask a problematic question? There's
Speaker 1: no non problematic questions in this podcast. Did they like it? Well,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a different answer depending on who you
Speaker 1: talked to. A number of the women claimed that it
Speaker 1: was a positive experience. I think most of them were
Speaker 1: horrified at what happened. A lot of people left immediately
Speaker 1: after getting branded. They sort of like stayed there and
Speaker 1: suffered through it because they were too scared to leave.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, that's that's part of why there's
Speaker 1: charges against both Keith and Alison mac And she did
Speaker 1: the branding also. She says she came up with the
Speaker 1: idea for women within this group to be branded. It's
Speaker 1: a wacky story. She was acting in Smallville, and she
Speaker 1: took some of those storylines too seriously because some of
Speaker 1: them got dark. I never watched Smallville. Well, Amy Adams
Speaker 1: made her debut on that show, so you missed out. Okay,
Speaker 1: Well you can let me know if any of these
Speaker 1: parts of the story sync up with parts of small
Speaker 1: Ville in a meaningful way. I will ex Yes, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's really good then, because I know nothing about
Speaker 1: that show. I mean I kind of fell out towards
Speaker 1: the end once they brought in Lowest. But so Alison
Speaker 1: Mack was not Lowest. Oh no, no, she was. She
Speaker 1: was like a journalist. She was a truth teller. She
Speaker 1: worked for the I guess it was the school paper.
Speaker 1: Um gosh, people are going to probably call me on
Speaker 1: my inaccuracies. Well, that's a fun segue then, because speaking
Speaker 1: of journalism, how much do you keep up with Elon
Speaker 1: Musk these days? Only who he's dating. Oh, then you're
Speaker 1: probably a little bit bombed. Well oh no, oh no,
Speaker 1: you like it? Yeah no, I hate it. Okay, Well
Speaker 1: I was going, yeah, she's well, I don't know. I've
Speaker 1: done a deep dive into their relationship and grimes. She's
Speaker 1: so young. That is weird, right, that's the weirdest part.
Speaker 1: She looks like she's twelve. I get that she's in
Speaker 1: her twenties, but she looks really young. My favorite thing
Speaker 1: to do with Elon Musk is look at pictures of
Speaker 1: him back when they were first starting PayPal, and he's
Speaker 1: like a chubby, shlovy guy who's gone bald. Knew it.
Speaker 1: I knew it because he looks You can see it
Speaker 1: a little in his face that he used to be slovey,
Speaker 1: but like got so rich that it's almost like the
Speaker 1: richness seeps onto his face and you're like, he's attractive?
Speaker 1: Is I can't tell. There's a certain amount of money
Speaker 1: where you can just pay people to make you make
Speaker 1: sure that you look good. Anytime you say the hair
Speaker 1: he probably has like personal trainers and personal chefs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what he doesn't have is personal people to vet the
Speaker 1: news websites that he reads. Late last month, he got
Speaker 1: into a bit of a if with the entire independent
Speaker 1: news media and expressed his desire to create a service
Speaker 1: to rate news sites for bias, which is not an
Speaker 1: inherently problematic idea, although it's hard to imagine someone executing
Speaker 1: it in in a way that wouldn't piss off at least
Speaker 1: half the country anyway. At some point during this whole debate,
Speaker 1: a guy named Jen's Eric Gould, who's the editor in
Speaker 1: chief at a site called The Knife, tweeted out an
Speaker 1: article his site had written in support of Elon Musk. Now,
Speaker 1: the Knife Media purports to rate mainstream news coverage on
Speaker 1: its level of bias and slant. They rated the total
Speaker 1: integrity of several articles about Elon's proposed website, none of
Speaker 1: which scored higher than fort Musk retweeted The Knife's analysis
Speaker 1: and called it excellent. It didn't take long for users
Speaker 1: to inform Elon that the article he praised was written
Speaker 1: by a literal cult because the Knife Media happens to
Speaker 1: be part of the Nexium family thing of the Jig's
Speaker 1: yeah uh so. Musk's initial response was that their article
Speaker 1: had better His exact quote was, sadly it had better
Speaker 1: critical analysis than most non cult media, which if you're praising,
Speaker 1: if you're attacking noncult media, you should back away from
Speaker 1: the argument you're making. Yeah, Like, there's only so far
Speaker 1: you can go with that. Also, the whole like, by now,
Speaker 1: it's we know when we see a news source from
Speaker 1: something we don't totally recognize, to be like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is probably I shouldn't retweet this, and it's I'll say
Speaker 1: this in fairness to must number one. He deleted those
Speaker 1: tweets once he I think did a little bit of digging.
Speaker 1: The knife doesn't look sketchy. It looks like it's got
Speaker 1: and it clearly does have some money behind it. The
Speaker 1: layouts find the site like, it doesn't look like he
Speaker 1: made Tesla's. He's he's supposed to be so smart and
Speaker 1: he couldn't be like, huh, the knife, I've never heard
Speaker 1: of this, and I am an adult man in my
Speaker 1: presumably forties at least, right, he's older than that man.
Speaker 1: Grimes is creepy. That Grimes is the creepy one. No,
Speaker 1: I mean well, no, I would never king shame her
Speaker 1: for dating an old man, but I will shame him
Speaker 1: for dating much younger. I feel like that's fair. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So one way or the other, you can
Speaker 1: you can either attack Musk for not checking on it,
Speaker 1: or you can say that this is like a message
Speaker 1: that no matter how much money someone has, we shouldn't
Speaker 1: treat them as particularly smart just because they've got lucky
Speaker 1: with a company once. Yeah, and I I have been
Speaker 1: up until now a Musk apologist because I was really
Speaker 1: rooting for him just because, like you know, Tesla's and SpaceX,
Speaker 1: that's all cool. Uh. And then I've heard little allegations,
Speaker 1: not a little, but rumors that like he's manipulative and
Speaker 1: he can be abusive. Yeah, and I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: I haven't done my research on that. And this, this
Speaker 1: podcast isn't going to be about Musk, so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: steer us a little bit away from that. I guess
Speaker 1: the point I'm making is that if Musk got taken
Speaker 1: in by any of us Keith Nieries umbrella of madness,
Speaker 1: He's not the first relatively intelligent person for this to
Speaker 1: happen to. That's kind of the story is Keith renieries
Speaker 1: really really good at tricking smart people into thinking he's
Speaker 1: got something to say. So NEXTI um starting to read
Speaker 1: about the knife and then Keith renaries you know the
Speaker 1: stuff with the branding of those women and the other
Speaker 1: crazy ship like they would they would hook these women
Speaker 1: in this group up to brainwave analyzers and force them
Speaker 1: to watch videos of women being dismembered and stuff. Use
Speaker 1: craziness like he had. Yeah, so was Ala Alison mac
Speaker 1: like a partner in all this or a late entry?
Speaker 1: She was a late entry. So so that's kind of
Speaker 1: what we're getting into. So at its core as a business,
Speaker 1: Nexium was a company that offered seminars helping business people
Speaker 1: be better at doing business um. It ran a series
Speaker 1: of intensive and expensive clinics, often consisting of five seventeen
Speaker 1: hour days in a row for thousands of dollars. Everything
Speaker 1: in the clinics was based on Mr. Nares teachings, which
Speaker 1: amounted to a new science for how to succeed at life. UM. So,
Speaker 1: let's pull back a bit, back before Alison mack gets involved,
Speaker 1: back before Elon Musk gets tricked by an article and
Speaker 1: talk about the life of the charismatic founder of Nexium,
Speaker 1: Keith Reniery. I usually believe in going straight to the
Speaker 1: source first for things like this, and his luck would
Speaker 1: have it. His website, Keith dot com is still up.
Speaker 1: His official biography opens with a picture of him, which
Speaker 1: we'll be putting up on our site behind the Bastards
Speaker 1: dot com so you can get a look at the guy. Okay,
Speaker 1: this picture is not threatening. He's a normal looking guy.
Speaker 1: He's wearing a fleece. Yeah, you wouldn't think he was
Speaker 1: weird if you passed him on the street. He'd just
Speaker 1: be a dude. Yeah, I think I would. I'm going
Speaker 1: to say this, I think I would trust anyone in
Speaker 1: a fleece. Really think about it. Well, if Donald Trump
Speaker 1: over a starting a cult, anyone listening to the podcast,
Speaker 1: you've got one guaranteed member if you buy a fleece. Well, look,
Speaker 1: there's other tests, but that's the first one. The first test.
Speaker 1: I myself phone a fleece from Patagonian. When I wear it,
Speaker 1: I feel like a like a mom, you know, and
Speaker 1: you trust and I trust moms. Okay, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like a guy you would find at a Gelson's supermarket. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he looks like a guy who's who buys really expensive
Speaker 1: cheeses and only the like nine dollar a pound grapes exactly.
Speaker 1: And it's like there's no difference between Gelson's and any
Speaker 1: other supermarket except that it's more expensive. But there's fewer
Speaker 1: people in the lines. And you know his fleece costs
Speaker 1: like three Oh yeah, he got the special edition north
Speaker 1: Face for the super rich people. I feel like he's
Speaker 1: a padagon you guy. Really. I don't know why that
Speaker 1: touched me. That was that. I thought that was delightful.
Speaker 1: More people should have Patagonia fleeces. Yeah, quality fleeces. We're
Speaker 1: not We're not attacking the man's choice and fleeces. Um.
Speaker 1: I am going to start reading from his official biography now.
Speaker 1: So this is Keith rneer on Keith Ranieri quote. Keith
Speaker 1: Rawnary holds many titles to his name scientist, mathematician, philosopher, entrepreneur, educator, inventor,
Speaker 1: and author, but perhaps the most poignant among them is
Speaker 1: that of humanitarian. He has devoted his life to studying
Speaker 1: the human psychodynamic and developing new tools for human empowerment, expression,
Speaker 1: and ethics. His endeavors share a drive to enhance human existence.
Speaker 1: As he works tirelessly and joyfully to help others elevate
Speaker 1: their awareness, success, and ultimately experience of life. Wow, I've
Speaker 1: never heard someone who is supposedly in the line of
Speaker 1: self help call themselves a humanitarian. That's such a stretch.
Speaker 1: My favorite thing about it is that this is the
Speaker 1: first paragraph of his biography and I have no idea
Speaker 1: from that what he does or has done. Well. From that,
Speaker 1: I feel like he sounds like Elon Musk, right inventor,
Speaker 1: but he's not. He doesn't say like if Elon Musk
Speaker 1: was writing the paragraph intry, he would say like he's
Speaker 1: the founder of Tesla, he helped to make PayPal, Like
Speaker 1: there would be accomplishments that you could list. That is
Speaker 1: the red flag vagueness. If you're trying to scamp people,
Speaker 1: just makeup companies. Don't be so vague. Tell me what
Speaker 1: book he wrote, if you're an author, tell me what
Speaker 1: you invented, if you're an inventor, tell me what company like.
Speaker 1: Don't just say you're all these things and give me nothing.
Speaker 1: But also, but most of all, the humanitarian period end
Speaker 1: of paragraph, Well, that's the most poignant of his title. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is the most poigned the title that brings people
Speaker 1: to tears. Yeah, exactly, I feel like crying a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, this is a safe space on his His
Speaker 1: patagony oft leice delighted me and now his humanitarian credential,
Speaker 1: Uh makes me weep. Well, let's let's get into Keith's more.
Speaker 1: Keith's biography. This is this is sort of him going
Speaker 1: through his his background. Okay, okay, okay. By the age
Speaker 1: of one, so we're already off to a great start here.
Speaker 1: He could construct full sentences and questions. He was able
Speaker 1: to read by the age of two. An auto diet act.
Speaker 1: He directed his learning activities to learning itself, studying its
Speaker 1: art and science in order to find optimized learning strategies
Speaker 1: and methodologies. Applying his skill to athletics, Keith Rawnieri excelled
Speaker 1: in judo and was an East Coast judo champion at
Speaker 1: age eleven. He also excelled in numerous other sports, including volleyball, tennis,
Speaker 1: table tennis, diving, softball, cycling, and skiing. By the age
Speaker 1: of twelve, he taught himself to play piano at the
Speaker 1: concert level. His passion and aptitude for music would inspire
Speaker 1: him to master many other musical instruments. He taught himself
Speaker 1: high school mathematics in nineteen hours at the age of twelve.
Speaker 1: Only one year later, he was proficient in third year
Speaker 1: college mathematics and was a professional computer programmer. I have
Speaker 1: so many problems with this. First of all, this is
Speaker 1: like when someone kind of beef up their college application
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, I I was captain of the
Speaker 1: uh cycling club. Yet it's like, this is all totally irrelevant.
Speaker 1: You know, if the vagueness of paragraph one didn't turn
Speaker 1: you off immediately, this is crazy. I love I love
Speaker 1: him bragging about being a judo champion at age eleven,
Speaker 1: because that is that if I ever meet an adult
Speaker 1: human being and one of the first things they tell
Speaker 1: me is that they were a judo champion decades ago
Speaker 1: as a small child, you would be like, Oh, this person,
Speaker 1: I don't want to know you. Yeah, this is someone
Speaker 1: with no friends who's deeply looking for a companionship. His
Speaker 1: whole thing has like the feel of that kid in
Speaker 1: elementary school who totally had an uncle that was a
Speaker 1: Navy seal, only like he's he's clearly a mature adult. Yes,
Speaker 1: in my case, that that was Lance and his dad
Speaker 1: was a book author who wrote about war pilots Um.
Speaker 1: I mean he was a nice thing to lie about. Well,
Speaker 1: he didn't lie, he just talked about it along. And
Speaker 1: it was like Lance was so boring. I almost said
Speaker 1: his last name. That would have vouted him too much.
Speaker 1: He's just the most boring guy. But because I'm sure
Speaker 1: he's working at like an accounting firm right now, and
Speaker 1: this would yeah, if this information got it would be
Speaker 1: if I had to guess accounting. Yeah, yeah, that is
Speaker 1: the I'm sorry. If there's accountants listening right now, please
Speaker 1: keep this. Accounts are great. They saved my taxes. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it's a good job. Yes, they're useful people. You know
Speaker 1: who's not a useful person? Keith fucking Ranieri. Uh So,
Speaker 1: I decided I wanted to fact check his bio a
Speaker 1: little bit. Whoa you know, you can such a thing
Speaker 1: be done? Can you really know if he was jiu
Speaker 1: jitsu judo judo champion? Well, the East Coast Judo Championships
Speaker 1: are a real thing, and they do have a judo
Speaker 1: division for kids seven to fourteen years old. We know
Speaker 1: Keith Ranieri was born in August nineteen sixty because that's
Speaker 1: what he listed his birthday in a sworn affidavit that
Speaker 1: he filed for a lawsuit in two thousand three. Um. So,
Speaker 1: thanks to Google, I was able to find old issues
Speaker 1: of black Belt magazine that gave winners of the East
Speaker 1: Coast Judo champions and unfortunately none of them were from
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one. So there's no I really thought you
Speaker 1: were going to blow the lid off of that. You
Speaker 1: are just like Alison mac in Smallville. Oh you did
Speaker 1: some investigative reporting. Well I did a little more because
Speaker 1: on his website, Keith claims to have started at renissel
Speaker 1: Er Polytechnic Institute at age sixteen. When I started looking
Speaker 1: into this, I found a bunch of articles from a
Speaker 1: crazy guys website called the Frank Report. It appears to
Speaker 1: be the personal or the Frank Report. It appears to
Speaker 1: be the personal project of a man named Frank Parlatto.
Speaker 1: He's a developer in Niagara Falls who worked for Nexium
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven and eight and then started
Speaker 1: a new site dedicated to attacking the company and Mr
Speaker 1: Rainery that's still going on to this day. It's a
Speaker 1: weird website. It has the look of like an unhinged
Speaker 1: nuts article about how the Earth is flat or whatever,
Speaker 1: but the actual information and the articles is often useful,
Speaker 1: Like he he has he does a bunch of weird
Speaker 1: photoshop jokes and stuff like about Keith Ranieri and his
Speaker 1: clearly so bitter. Yeah, bitter and a little unhinged, but
Speaker 1: like it's also not just nonsense. Like he provided links
Speaker 1: to the affidavit, which is where I was able to
Speaker 1: prove that Keith was lying on his bio about starting
Speaker 1: college at age sixteen. Um because in the affidavit he
Speaker 1: said he entered college just after his seventeenth birthday and
Speaker 1: then expands to say he didn't really enter college, he
Speaker 1: just started taking some college classes. So basically he was
Speaker 1: taking ap courses in his senior year like a lot
Speaker 1: of people. Yeah, he's just he's a liar. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: thank you to the Frank Report for helping us bust
Speaker 1: at least one of the myths. Conclusively. Kudos to Frank
Speaker 1: for having the balls to call his report his own name.
Speaker 1: He has been doggedly calling his news site by his
Speaker 1: own name for years now. Yeah. You can imagine his
Speaker 1: wife for friends or I don't know, husband, were like Frank,
Speaker 1: come on, just come up with a different name. He's like,
Speaker 1: no name of Frank Frank. People need to know, people
Speaker 1: need to know who it came from, and they need
Speaker 1: to be amused by my photoshop. Yeah. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's from the South, but I'm I think he
Speaker 1: lives up in like Albany. Well, he moved from Tennessee,
Speaker 1: So that's why it has an accent shots fired Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's Frank. Frank's on her side, I think, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: more or less. He may have stolen a million dollars,
Speaker 1: but what yeah, get into So this whole story. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to tell this from this point in like a
Speaker 1: chronologic point of view, but this is a fucking twisty
Speaker 1: turney mess. Like I need like a chalkboard. It would
Speaker 1: help drying if there was a component of this podcast
Speaker 1: that was like a wall covered in pictures and pieces
Speaker 1: of string. Yes, um, But our producer Sophie informs me
Speaker 1: that that is not possible with podcast technology. So wait
Speaker 1: ten years, wait ten years, Yeah, and we'll have the holograms. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the holograms and like holographic yarn connecting pictures like just
Speaker 1: like in Minority here. Yeah, that's the dream. Um, so,
Speaker 1: after bragging about Keith's education, his websites bio goes on
Speaker 1: to print what might be the most punchable paragraph I
Speaker 1: have ever read in my entire life, So buckle up. Quote.
Speaker 1: Noted as one of the world's top three problem solvers,
Speaker 1: Keith row Neery was honored in nineteen eighty nine by
Speaker 1: the Guinness Book of World Records in the category of
Speaker 1: Highest i Q. He has an estimated problem solving rarity
Speaker 1: of one in four hundred and twenty five million with
Speaker 1: respect to the general population. He has intellectual patents pending
Speaker 1: in the areas of human potential and ethics, expression, voice
Speaker 1: and musical training, athletic performance, commerce, education and learning, information processing,
Speaker 1: and human modeling. He also holds several technological patents on
Speaker 1: computer inventions and a sleep guidance system. That's so clearly fake.
Speaker 1: That's so clearly fake. It is a bucket of nonsense. Um,
Speaker 1: but you'll these are things that you will see as
Speaker 1: patterns as we go along here. He loves being really
Speaker 1: cific about how great he is in a totally nonsensical way,
Speaker 1: because there's no problem solving rarity of one informed. That's that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's just insanity. Um, it's very important to keep
Speaker 1: that people understand just how smart he is. On the
Speaker 1: website for his main business executive Success program, Keith writes
Speaker 1: that he was accepted into the Mega Society in nineteen eight,
Speaker 1: which is some nerds society that requires a demonstrated i
Speaker 1: Q of a hundred and seventy six or higher, which
Speaker 1: is an intellectual performance of one in a million level
Speaker 1: of rarity. As proof, he cites an article from late
Speaker 1: nineteen eight and nine titled Troy Man has a lot
Speaker 1: on his mind. I Q test proves what many suspected.
Speaker 1: He's one in ten million. So I searched for this
Speaker 1: article and I didn't find it, but I found a
Speaker 1: plain text website that has the article posted on. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna get into Keith thrown eeris i Q
Speaker 1: a little bit when we come back, But we do
Speaker 1: have to break for some ads. So if you have
Speaker 1: an intellectual problem solving capacity of one in four into
Speaker 1: twenty five million, which all of our listeners do, these
Speaker 1: ads will help you solve problems by things. And we're back.
Speaker 1: We're talking about Keith Rinieri and his i Q. So
Speaker 1: I was just telling you that he he cited an
Speaker 1: article from nineteen eighty nine that that covered his joining
Speaker 1: into the Mega Society. So I found a plain text
Speaker 1: copy of this website. There's a lot of cringe wrothy
Speaker 1: quotes in here, but here's another one of them. He's
Speaker 1: not your stereotypical genius. Watchful blue eyes look out from
Speaker 1: behind aviator glasses. His brown hair is parted stylishly in
Speaker 1: the middle. He has the physique of an athlete, which
Speaker 1: he is. He was East Coast judo champion at age twelve,
Speaker 1: tied with the state record for the hundred yard dash.
Speaker 1: Is an avid skier, swimmer, and windsurfer. He says he
Speaker 1: plays seven musical instruments and also sings high tenor in
Speaker 1: local musical productions. Well that is also fake. Like at
Speaker 1: first what I found it hosted on a plain text website.
Speaker 1: I was like, Keith Renier, he just lied and made
Speaker 1: up an article. But the actual website that hosts it
Speaker 1: is some dude who's obsessed with i Q tests, who
Speaker 1: has cataloged every article about i Q tests for the
Speaker 1: last like forty years, And I think he just typed
Speaker 1: up news clippings he had and hosted them online. It's
Speaker 1: an exercise and madness. But I don't think Keith faked it.
Speaker 1: I do think he lied to this journalist and it
Speaker 1: wasn't a good journalist who just like said, of course
Speaker 1: he's telling the truth. Look at how smart this piece
Speaker 1: even like tilts his hand a little and it's like
Speaker 1: he says that, yeah, yeah, exactly, uh wow yeah. So um,
Speaker 1: it's possible Keith actually is a member of the Mega
Speaker 1: Society and has a very high i Q. However, Keith
Speaker 1: also claims the nineteen eighty nine Guinness Book of World
Speaker 1: Records honored him for having the highest i Q. That
Speaker 1: is clear and provable nonsense, because Maryland Vassavant had the
Speaker 1: highest recorded i Q on the and was in the
Speaker 1: Guinness Record for that from nineteen eight six through eighty nine.
Speaker 1: I don't even believe this man has had and i
Speaker 1: Q test. Yeah, that's I could totally see that being
Speaker 1: alive from the beginning. Yeah, because in the nineteen eighties
Speaker 1: you could say anything you could. You think people couldn't
Speaker 1: google it. Albany random newspaper isn't gonna check. No one
Speaker 1: was looking. And I don't know the way this guy writes,
Speaker 1: he doesn't sound very smart. He doesn't write, he sounds
Speaker 1: like someone who's pretending to be smart. We're going to
Speaker 1: listen to him later. I don't disagree with you. We're
Speaker 1: gonna listen to him later. He clearly has a type
Speaker 1: of intelligence, just like Donald Trump has a type of
Speaker 1: intelligence as he wouldn't be able to do what he does.
Speaker 1: It's very comparable. But he is not a genius in
Speaker 1: the sense that, like he's able to usefully add to
Speaker 1: the human experience from people. What an interesting thing to
Speaker 1: get people. And I guess Trump does this too by
Speaker 1: being like, I'm smarter than you. Yeah, and he does
Speaker 1: it in such a almost more frustrating way. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: Keith doesn't like his focus on like I have this
Speaker 1: i Q, I am this much rare. My brain is
Speaker 1: so this rare, and the I'm one of the three
Speaker 1: greatest problem solvers on the planet, which is even more
Speaker 1: nonsense than he. Uh. He reminds me of what we
Speaker 1: used to do in speech and debate in high school?
Speaker 1: Did you did you ever know I was a speech
Speaker 1: and debate kid for four years? What did you do?
Speaker 1: Ld a lot of Lincoln Douglas debate? I did one
Speaker 1: of those kids. And what you learned in extent was
Speaker 1: you know, you gave a speech for seven minutes extemporaneously,
Speaker 1: and what you learned is to just make up yeah
Speaker 1: things yeah, and to say them with confidence. And no
Speaker 1: one would ever know the difference because these were just parents.
Speaker 1: Uh he sounds like how how we sounded making up
Speaker 1: those But also like looking back, it's like, nah that
Speaker 1: the adults knew it was fake. We we just I
Speaker 1: don't know. I once gave a whole speech about is
Speaker 1: Macedonia going back to civil war? Oh? Wow, were they
Speaker 1: Macedonia do in these days? I made up everything from
Speaker 1: the beginning to the end beautiful. Yeah, and I thought
Speaker 1: I did great, But looking back, well it was it
Speaker 1: was not unlike that bio. No, I mean the great
Speaker 1: Like if you if you're a student of history, the
Speaker 1: most important lesson of history is that if you get
Speaker 1: up and you lie with confidence, most people will buy it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like that's just human history from like ten thousand b c. Too. Now,
Speaker 1: if you just get up and you're full of ship,
Speaker 1: like LD. Debate was a lot of that, like it
Speaker 1: really I always regarded debate as like the smart ones.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of research involved, but in a pinch,
Speaker 1: lying will do the trick sometimes, especially if you're like me,
Speaker 1: like a tall white guy, because if you if you're
Speaker 1: a tall white guy and you say things with confidence,
Speaker 1: people just tend to trust you. It's amazing. It's like
Speaker 1: when I saw Keith in the the Fleece, I was like,
Speaker 1: I guess, I mean, look at this guy. He looks
Speaker 1: like he's someone who talks avidly about hiking. Show me
Speaker 1: a woman who looks exactly like me, and I'll be like,
Speaker 1: I don't trust her. Oh boy, Okay, Well, moving right along.
Speaker 1: Keith claims we have started his first business in nineteen
Speaker 1: eight four. He called it the Concept School and then
Speaker 1: later the Life Learning Institute. Again, Keith gives almost no
Speaker 1: details as to what these businesses were. This is all
Speaker 1: from the affidavit, which I'm using because he presumably lied
Speaker 1: less in it because it would be perjury, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that that anyway, That's why I'm using the affidavit
Speaker 1: so much. In order to start these businesses, he claims
Speaker 1: he distilled a lifetime of careful thought and his genius
Speaker 1: intellect into their creation, but he never actually says what
Speaker 1: they did. These first ventures wound up closing due to
Speaker 1: irreconcilable differences between Keith and his backers. Uh this is
Speaker 1: which is code for he couldn't return on the money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he wasn't actually doing anything. Keith did get up to
Speaker 1: something else in nineteen eight four though, molesting teenagers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was all busy. He had a new hobby. He's
Speaker 1: getting up to Okay. He was living in an apartment
Speaker 1: building in Troy when he met Gina Melita. She was
Speaker 1: fifteen and he was twenty four. They struck up a
Speaker 1: friendship and went to the arcade together Rhneer. He was
Speaker 1: obsessed with pac Man in a game called Vanguard. He
Speaker 1: told her he was a genius and a judo champion,
Speaker 1: which he always he loves bringing up that judo championship.
Speaker 1: Why which again nothing against martial arts. Fine way to
Speaker 1: stay fit, great pastime. If you brag about the martial
Speaker 1: arts that you do, don't let that is the immediate.
Speaker 1: Well that's also just the immediate, Like, okay, I'm going
Speaker 1: to disregard you as a person if the first thing
Speaker 1: you say to me is bragging about your martial arts
Speaker 1: career and we're not like at a martial arts cup.
Speaker 1: I immediately I immediately doubt it first of all, And
Speaker 1: I wonder if he said it just because it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm tough, don't mess with me. I could fight, but
Speaker 1: I couldn't fight in a maybe it's like no one knows,
Speaker 1: like no one knows judo, so they could never challenge him.
Speaker 1: It was like safe, yeah, because I wouldn't know how
Speaker 1: to be like, okay, well howdy good you would judo
Speaker 1: or yeah, let's judo. Yeah, so he anyway, but so
Speaker 1: he brings. He tells the fifteen year old girl that
Speaker 1: he was great at judo at eleven uh, and then
Speaker 1: he takes her virginity. They had what some sources call
Speaker 1: a relationship and I think with the law call statutory rape.
Speaker 1: Off and on for about four months. Keith Ranieri told
Speaker 1: her not to tell her mother and also urged her
Speaker 1: to lose weight because she was too fat for him.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's going to be a pattern to this
Speaker 1: sounds a lot like Trump. They're not as different as
Speaker 1: I think he would want to be seen as. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the wait thing, although he's a big randy in uh
Speaker 1: rand okay, Yeah. Keith met another girl in Nur also.
Speaker 1: Her name is Gina Hutchinson. She was sixteen, they started
Speaker 1: having sex. When Jina's sister heid He found out, she
Speaker 1: confronted Keith Ranieri. Quote Heidi said, Ranieri told her that
Speaker 1: she did not understand her sister's soul was much older
Speaker 1: than her biological age. He explained to Gina was a
Speaker 1: Buddhist goddess meant to be with him. Goddesses and Buddhism.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, there's a lot of different
Speaker 1: little sects, but I'm going to guess this is just bullshit.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously bullshit, but I'm gonna guess he was
Speaker 1: just lying about Buddhist goddesses existing anywhere. Man, what a
Speaker 1: thing to tell someone. Yeah, you look, I know it
Speaker 1: looks bad, but their souls really old. And I can
Speaker 1: see their souls really old and Buddhist and Buddhist. So
Speaker 1: that makes this fine. Yeah, as if just that alone
Speaker 1: would make the sister be like, well, I did never
Speaker 1: notice that he did say Buddha's name. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: he's fine. That quote was from the Albany Times Union,
Speaker 1: which has done a lot of good reporting on Keith Raniery. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so if you're work for the Albany Times Union, congrats anyway,
Speaker 1: None of the rapes are mentioned in Keith's official bios
Speaker 1: obviously or the affidavit. He claims that during this time
Speaker 1: he decided he was called on to teach people his
Speaker 1: remarkable theories on learning. I'm quote from the affidavit here,
Speaker 1: to test my theories and earn money. I became an
Speaker 1: independent contractor for several marketing and sales organizations, with one
Speaker 1: organization that had more than two thousand representatives nationally. I
Speaker 1: was able to personally recruit and train, using my motivational methodology,
Speaker 1: six of the ten top producers in a month. It
Speaker 1: doesn't give the name of the company he was working for,
Speaker 1: probably because it's a lie um definitely, which is a
Speaker 1: big Keith threw eerie move. Yeah, just say the thing
Speaker 1: without being the thing you did, like people who have
Speaker 1: accomplished things do. Yeah. Like you can still be kind
Speaker 1: of a scammer and have like but you just say
Speaker 1: like I did this thing. Even Donald Trump people say
Speaker 1: I built this building, I ran this company. I ran
Speaker 1: this company, like keithrew an EARI there's never anything specific
Speaker 1: it's mentioned, but it worked clear people Yeah listened. They
Speaker 1: were usually younger, though, I assume yeah, or at least
Speaker 1: in this in this sectual way. Yeah, so he wound
Speaker 1: up quitting that unnamed organization because he says they didn't
Speaker 1: gel with his ethical foundations, which never elaborates on, never
Speaker 1: tells us what those ethical foundations are. But you know,
Speaker 1: by the time the eighties are over, uh, he has
Speaker 1: sort of started to settle on a new thing that
Speaker 1: he wants to do. Using the quote from the affidavit,
Speaker 1: in n held a meeting with four of my friends
Speaker 1: in my living room to determine the principal structure of
Speaker 1: a new business. We called this business Consumers Byline, which
Speaker 1: like buyas and purchase, and officially started business on May Onet.
Speaker 1: The business was based on my projective human model with ethics,
Speaker 1: which does not tell you anything about what the business is.
Speaker 1: It was a multi level marketing scam. It was a
Speaker 1: pyramid scheme. People would pay two hundred plus dollars for
Speaker 1: access to discount buying groups, which are supposed to give
Speaker 1: them access to cheaper groceries and stuff, but if they
Speaker 1: signed up other people then they get monthly commissions. The
Speaker 1: grocery discount program was canceled, but the company kept charging
Speaker 1: people for it, and they didn't actually pay people for
Speaker 1: selling memberships. I there eventually they had something like a
Speaker 1: quarter of a million members. But also we're paying out
Speaker 1: millions in legal fees because they were defrauding tons of people,
Speaker 1: very brazenly dera, very brazenly defrauding people, Like they're gonna
Speaker 1: complain that they're not getting paid. Yeah, but if you
Speaker 1: keep getting enough new members fast enough to pay the
Speaker 1: legal fees, Keith Ranieri can live well. So in nineteen ninety,
Speaker 1: the year that Keith and his friends came up with
Speaker 1: Consumers Byline, Keith also allegedly sexually assaulted a twelve year
Speaker 1: old Yeah, yeah, this is a This anonymous girl was
Speaker 1: the child of a saleswoman who worked for the Consumers Byline.
Speaker 1: According to The Times Union, her mother called Keith Ranieri
Speaker 1: and Einstein quote. Rani would call staff meetings to deliver
Speaker 1: sometimes tearful, emotional messages. He frequently showed a film without
Speaker 1: a man who plants seeds in the desert to build
Speaker 1: a forest. He suggested he was that type of noble
Speaker 1: cultivator of people, which the deserts, the desert don't plant
Speaker 1: seeds in it. It doesn't need trees, I mean, like
Speaker 1: not that it doesn't have I wonder what that video was, Like,
Speaker 1: did they stitch it together and make it seem like
Speaker 1: the guy did it, like he planted a whole forest
Speaker 1: in the desert. I don't know. It makes me like
Speaker 1: if I was going to do that, it would be
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna I'm gonna start an ocean in the
Speaker 1: desert and I'm just gonna start dropping fish and water
Speaker 1: and eventually we'll have us in oceans. Like, no, that's
Speaker 1: not what it is. Yeah, that doesn't work. But like
Speaker 1: if I were in his shoes, I think I would
Speaker 1: just show people a real documentary, yeah, about an actual
Speaker 1: inspiring person, Yeah, whom there are, and like jump on
Speaker 1: that train. Yeah. Uh So he apparently, you know, saw
Speaker 1: himself as a man who was planting seeds, and he
Speaker 1: apparently decided to molest this twelve year old girl. So
Speaker 1: Keith Nary told the girl's mom, who idolized him, that
Speaker 1: he wanted to tutor her daughter. At the same time,
Speaker 1: Keith's girlfriend apparently hired the young lady as a dog walker.
Speaker 1: The girl alleges that Keith started by showering her with
Speaker 1: attention and then quickly moved on to molesting her. Quote,
Speaker 1: they told me, I was smart and took an interest
Speaker 1: in me. They let me spend every afternoon at their house.
Speaker 1: She said, it was exciting to be somewhere people wanted me.
Speaker 1: I was perfect picking and secure at the time. To
Speaker 1: have someone that mature and that well thought of be
Speaker 1: interested in me, it was flattering. I was young and experienced,
Speaker 1: overwhelmed and out of my league. Yeah. So, Keith continued
Speaker 1: to have sex with her for quite some time in
Speaker 1: his town house and empty offices and an elevator in
Speaker 1: a broom closet at the plaza that hosted the consumers byline.
Speaker 1: She claims the relationship went on for about a year,
Speaker 1: with at least sixty individual sexual encounters. She reported it
Speaker 1: to the police, but withheld her name. The report didn't
Speaker 1: go anywhere. It's hard to say why, since police in
Speaker 1: the Capitol region of New York purged all their files
Speaker 1: in the late nineteen nineties, So it didn't nothing happened.
Speaker 1: How can nothing happen off of that? I mean, that's
Speaker 1: but that's the case with Cosby and with Weinstein. They
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere for a long time. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: That's true. We're in such a radically differ a moment
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, this was still the dark ages for
Speaker 1: that ship. Yeah. Wow, it's weird out, Like this idea
Speaker 1: of telling a young girl she's smart and showering her
Speaker 1: with attention. As shitty as that is, I feel like
Speaker 1: that's still so common on college campuses and at high
Speaker 1: schools with teachers kind of coming up towards that line.
Speaker 1: I mean it works for everybody, because high schools, if
Speaker 1: you're a thoughtful, smart person, usually not your favorite time. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's rough for a lot of kids. And if an
Speaker 1: adult who is well thought of says that like your
Speaker 1: special and takes an interest in you, like that's that
Speaker 1: can be a big deal. Yeah, because you feel the misunderstood, Uh,
Speaker 1: you're doing Lincoln Douglas debate, which a lot of people
Speaker 1: probably thought wasn't cool, certainly did not. You know, get
Speaker 1: you dates. I'll tell you one thing, speach and debate.
Speaker 1: At my high school, got you dates. We had no sports,
Speaker 1: so it was like, I mean I thought it was
Speaker 1: like the sports team. Yeah, I grew up in Texas,
Speaker 1: so it was one of the was like, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're on the football team, you can murder people,
Speaker 1: but if you're anything else, if they didn't really care
Speaker 1: all that much anyway. You remember that girl Gina from before, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so Keith convinced her to drop out of high school.
Speaker 1: This is during the same time he's dating that twelve
Speaker 1: year old. Um. He convinced a sixteen year old drop
Speaker 1: out of high school, promising he would tutor her. The
Speaker 1: two had kept seeing each other in Gina's family assumed
Speaker 1: they would marry. She turned seventeen at some point during this,
Speaker 1: which was the age of consent, so he was no
Speaker 1: longer statutory raping er. He was just a creepy man
Speaker 1: in his thirties dating a high schooler. That is a
Speaker 1: line that exists. Yeah, it's fine, it's a crime anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's hard to say exactly how long their sexual relationship continued.
Speaker 1: She did eventually start going to college, and Keith reportedly
Speaker 1: got angry when male teachers would praise her for being
Speaker 1: smart because he's an abusive prick. Yeah, yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like we're getting that aspect of him. Yeah in college
Speaker 1: for her for going to college. Not a story that
Speaker 1: ends happily, but move on for right now. So when
Speaker 1: you dig into the Keith's life, you get essentially two
Speaker 1: stories there's the Keith story of what happened and the
Speaker 1: everything else that you can actually back up with objective
Speaker 1: evidence story of what happened. So in the everybody else
Speaker 1: version of reality, Keith spends the early nineties building a
Speaker 1: pyramid scheme and molesting end girls. His pyramid scheme falls
Speaker 1: apart in which is also the year that he gets
Speaker 1: reported of the cops from molesting another girl, which I
Speaker 1: think we're four now three. That's when investigations in his
Speaker 1: pyramid scheme collapses because investigations by twenty three states and
Speaker 1: two federal agencies determined that the consumer's byline is in
Speaker 1: fact a pyramid scheme. So Keith can't do that scheme anymore,
Speaker 1: and he has to find another scheme. Now. In Keith's
Speaker 1: version of reality, he just used his experience running a
Speaker 1: totally legit and awesome business which was super successful and
Speaker 1: then sadly had to shut down due to people's bigoted
Speaker 1: ideas of the world. Uh. He used that experience though,
Speaker 1: to learn about people. Um, he was studying human beings
Speaker 1: the whole time he was working. He's a humanitarian in
Speaker 1: his work and exploring and human psyche, and a scholar
Speaker 1: and a judo champion. Don't you forget that I was
Speaker 1: leading up to that. I was going in order of importance. Good.
Speaker 1: When we get out of here today and someone asks
Speaker 1: who are you talking about today, You'll say Keith r
Speaker 1: An Eerie And they'll say, what's that guy? And you'll
Speaker 1: say he was pretty fucking good at judo thirty or
Speaker 1: forty years ago. Yeah, and they'll say it sounds sounds
Speaker 1: legit sounds cool. Where can I give him my money? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I'll say, just ben, mom, if you get the fleece,
Speaker 1: you can make that work. I own the fleece. You
Speaker 1: gotta be wearing it. But I'm not. I don't look
Speaker 1: like you. And Keith whoa, whoa. Okay, you know I
Speaker 1: don't know if I can pull off a period scheme.
Speaker 1: People are too suspicious of women. Well, yeah, that's probably fair, okay.
Speaker 1: So Keith spent his time running a pyramid scheme and
Speaker 1: moll and Girls, also learning about humanity, and he discovered
Speaker 1: in his own claims that minds work the same way
Speaker 1: as computers, only using words instead of numbers to program them.
Speaker 1: So he built a new form of communication called rational inquiry,
Speaker 1: and the R and the I are always capitalized, and
Speaker 1: it's always followed by a trademark Signum. Oh no, this
Speaker 1: is serious ship we're dealing with here. Don't don't you
Speaker 1: dare dismiss rational inquiry? It sounds like a thing. Can
Speaker 1: you hear the capitals? When I say it? The capital?
Speaker 1: The first time I didn't, But then when you said
Speaker 1: it again, I did? Rational inquiry? Now yes, Now it
Speaker 1: sounds like a patented line of T M something see
Speaker 1: M R M. I don't understand. I don't either. Um okay,
Speaker 1: so you're probably wondering what is rational inquiry? I've got
Speaker 1: a quote from Keith Reniery trying to explain it here. Quote.
Speaker 1: It enabled a person to find a common understanding with
Speaker 1: others antologically build a belief system that matched a person's
Speaker 1: subjective world, highly individually at consistent. Using this model, people
Speaker 1: seem to understand themselves and each other better. Do you
Speaker 1: get what rational inquiry is? Now? Talking? That is of
Speaker 1: what Keith Rawnery does is talk very quickly, uh and
Speaker 1: throw out a bunch of big words. Um. So we're
Speaker 1: going to get into the opus of Keith's life, the
Speaker 1: main venture that would define most of his time on
Speaker 1: this earth and would be his most successful project Nexium.
Speaker 1: But before we get into Nexium, we need to go
Speaker 1: talk about ads for products that are that are actual
Speaker 1: things that you can buy, rather than nonsense words said
Speaker 1: by a child molester. So please buy some products. We're
Speaker 1: back and we're talking about Keith Ranieri, humanitarian, judo champion, businessman,
Speaker 1: and molester of multiple children. He has a lot more
Speaker 1: credentials than that. You're right, but we only have so
Speaker 1: much time, that's true, And and I feel like I've
Speaker 1: read multiple lists of his credentials in this cyclist Cyclist.
Speaker 1: So at this point, Keith's first business may have been
Speaker 1: a gigantic and possibly criminal disaster, but he sowed the
Speaker 1: seeds of his next venture. Obviously, next um Keith medal
Speaker 1: lady named Nancy Salzman, who he described as in the
Speaker 1: fffidavit as an international authority on human potential? Which what
Speaker 1: how can you be an international authority on potential? What
Speaker 1: do you do for a living? Oh, you know, I
Speaker 1: write for television. What do you do for a living, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm an accountant, I'm a I'm an expert
Speaker 1: on human potential. It's like going up to everyone and
Speaker 1: being like you can be anything you want or is
Speaker 1: it the opposite going up to people and being like,
Speaker 1: I think dentist. I feel like it's just reminding people
Speaker 1: of what human beings can do. Like everybody's sitting around
Speaker 1: talking about how to like build a road, and you're like,
Speaker 1: you know, we landed a man on the moon at
Speaker 1: one point, we could build a road, which is definitely
Speaker 1: what it is. Bunch of executives are trying to figure
Speaker 1: out a new flavor of Dorrito's and you're like, you know,
Speaker 1: human beings made the Holocaust happen. Just you know, just
Speaker 1: just reminding people because the human potential, Yeah, yeah, potential
Speaker 1: can go either way. And it's important that the Dorrito's
Speaker 1: people not fly too close to the sun. It is
Speaker 1: because they've been flying real close lately. I know, cool
Speaker 1: Ranch we were never meant to have it. No, we
Speaker 1: can't handle it. I also hate Dorrito's. Cool Ranch is
Speaker 1: a disgusting line of chips and a sea of terrible chips.
Speaker 1: I just want to note to all the listeners that
Speaker 1: it is not the official standpoint of this podcast that
Speaker 1: cool Ranch Doritos aren't delicious. No, I understand many people
Speaker 1: like them, but we're just trying to get the cool
Speaker 1: ranch people to put some mad dollars our way. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: do they sponsor a lot of podcasts? I don't know,
Speaker 1: but we could be the first. And I just want
Speaker 1: people to know. If there is anyone from Dorito's listening,
Speaker 1: please have a Derrito's tastic day. Yes, God, I love
Speaker 1: a good Derito. Anyway, back to Keith Ranieri, Yes, a
Speaker 1: good segue, speaking of speaking of chips, speaking of cheesy flavor.
Speaker 1: So he met this lady, Nancy Salzman, International Authority and
Speaker 1: human Potential. He touted her for six months on the
Speaker 1: techniques of his new breakthrough learning science, and then the
Speaker 1: two started Nexium. At this point you may be wondering
Speaker 1: what the funk was Nexium. Well, next Sium was an
Speaker 1: umbrella company and its main initial purpose was to host
Speaker 1: professional development seminars focused around executive success programs all caps again, uh,
Speaker 1: devised by Raneer, Rani and Salzman. You're probably still wondering
Speaker 1: what the any of that means. This is by design
Speaker 1: and the affidavit Ranieri had to file. He claims that
Speaker 1: the basis for the training was a twelve point copyrighted
Speaker 1: mission statement. The actual text of that mission statement is
Speaker 1: a trade secret, and you aren't allowed to know what
Speaker 1: it says unless you pay to take the class, at
Speaker 1: which point you're required to sign a confidentiality agreement promising
Speaker 1: not to tell anyone about it. So again, if you
Speaker 1: are sitting at home wondering what the funk is he
Speaker 1: actually doing, it's impossible to know. Well, it's not impossible
Speaker 1: because we have some inside data, but we didn't dig
Speaker 1: in on this ship. Did people break their n d
Speaker 1: as in the course of this investigation? And how then
Speaker 1: these aren't India's their confidentiality agreements, So we're not talking
Speaker 1: about like a Weinstein level, where like somebody who has
Speaker 1: very smart lawyers is drawing up actual iron clad legal documents.
Speaker 1: We'll get into what these are a little bit. So
Speaker 1: what happened in these executive success programs? Thankfully we have
Speaker 1: reports from actual attendees. The following quotes are from a
Speaker 1: woman who showed up at one of these seminars in
Speaker 1: two thousands seven after being urged to do show so
Speaker 1: by professionals. She admired. The whole process started with the
Speaker 1: class received quote a document entitled Rules and Rituals which
Speaker 1: informed us to never speak of any of our experiences
Speaker 1: in esp Attendees were also told to quote, remove our shoes, bow,
Speaker 1: and pay tribute to founder Keith Ranieri. There was a
Speaker 1: lengthy explanation of how to perform a perfect handshake as
Speaker 1: well as the ESP secret handshake, an explanation of how
Speaker 1: different colored ash hierarchy works, which seems based entirely in
Speaker 1: recruitment rather than a measurable skill set, and the request
Speaker 1: that Keith Ranieri was to be referred to as Vanguard
Speaker 1: and Nancy Salzman as Prefect. So, first off, the game
Speaker 1: that Keith Rinieri played to impress the teenager he fucked
Speaker 1: was Vanguard. I just think that's interesting. Oh. I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's a connection there, but maybe weird. Right,
Speaker 1: it's weird that people have to take off their shoes
Speaker 1: and bow to him. That is weird. Huh, Like that's weird.
Speaker 1: But then I started thinking, I've been an assistant for
Speaker 1: various bosses and you start to do weird stuff that
Speaker 1: you kind of normalize, where it's like, well, this is
Speaker 1: this person is above me. I have to please them.
Speaker 1: If I please them, things will go well. I guess
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is I'm the kind of person that
Speaker 1: would be an ac cult well, you might be able
Speaker 1: to join this cult still, depending on how the court
Speaker 1: cases go. Um. But there's a lot to dig into
Speaker 1: in that pair graph and I do want to talk
Speaker 1: about the handshake thing for a little bit, because back
Speaker 1: in two thousand three, cult expert Rick Ross received several
Speaker 1: internal Nexium training documents from a disgruntled attendee. He had
Speaker 1: them analyzed by cult experts, including Dr Paul Martin, a
Speaker 1: licensed clinical psychologist. This is where the affidavit comes from,
Speaker 1: because Keith sued Rick Ross, saying that he was exposing
Speaker 1: Nexium's trade secrets. He lost and so the stuff is
Speaker 1: still up there. And now we have quotes from several
Speaker 1: sections of the ESP training manuals and guidelines, including Keith R.
Speaker 1: Neary's explanation of how to shake hands. Are you ready
Speaker 1: to learn how to shake some fucking hands? Yeah? Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: Quote handshaking is a sign of respect and affords us
Speaker 1: an opportunity to make direct physical contact with others. We
Speaker 1: believe that many of society's problems have developed because people
Speaker 1: have come to view each other as objects rather than
Speaker 1: human beings. So far, not entirely insane. Spoken from a
Speaker 1: man who has sex with twelve year old spoken from
Speaker 1: child molester. Yeah. Absolutely, But you know, society is fucked
Speaker 1: up because people don't make direct physical contact enough. That's
Speaker 1: an arguable point. Although creepy from the mouth of a
Speaker 1: child molester it is, but I'm listening. Here. In the
Speaker 1: sp we use a two handed handshake. This conveys warmth
Speaker 1: into sense of community. Placement of the left hand denotes rank.
Speaker 1: Individuals of higher rank place their left hand on the top.
Speaker 1: Individuals of the same rank shake vertically. Lower rank places
Speaker 1: the left hand on bottom. So simultaneously, society is fucked
Speaker 1: up because we don't spend enough time connecting with each other.
Speaker 1: But also, shaking someone's hand should be a sign of dominance. Wow,
Speaker 1: you know what. It makes sense though, because he still
Speaker 1: had to maintain this illusion that like he is always superior, exactly,
Speaker 1: and you've got to reinforce that by changing the way people.
Speaker 1: It's also crazy, is handshakes are that in real life
Speaker 1: only with people who are lame? Okay, make that argument,
Speaker 1: but I am not. I'm not much of a toucher.
Speaker 1: I'm not much of a handshaker. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: very awkward, even a hugger. Yeah, but it's fine. When
Speaker 1: someone goes in to hold your hand, not to hold
Speaker 1: but to shake it, and they have a steady, stern grip,
Speaker 1: there's a little part of you that's like a steady grip,
Speaker 1: but not like a crushing grip or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Like I I spent some time, you know, working as
Speaker 1: a war correspondent for a while in a couple of
Speaker 1: different places, and I met a lot of really formidable
Speaker 1: human beings, and none of them did the like crush
Speaker 1: your hand. It was always just like a short like
Speaker 1: like firm, but it was it was never like like
Speaker 1: the people I've met who have always like really gone
Speaker 1: into it and like gripped the hand like they're always lame.
Speaker 1: They're always like sad little men who don't have any
Speaker 1: other way to feel, to overcompensate. Yeah, I bet I
Speaker 1: bet Keith had a very I bet Keith tried to
Speaker 1: fucking rip your hand up here. Yeah. So there is
Speaker 1: a detailed explanation for how to shake hands. And you
Speaker 1: tell me if this gives you any good information on handshaking,
Speaker 1: because I can't understand what the fun he's going for here.
Speaker 1: Crux of the hand is the portion of the hand
Speaker 1: between the thumb and forefinger, where they form a right angle.
Speaker 1: Ristcock refers to the angle of the wrist, which can
Speaker 1: be used to gain control of the handshake. It is
Speaker 1: important to control the cock of the wrist slightly down
Speaker 1: as you move into the handshake. Positioning of the feet
Speaker 1: determines dominance. Stepping into the handshake with the right foot
Speaker 1: creates a more dominant position, expressing strength for the handshaker.
Speaker 1: Stepping into the handshake with the left foot will be
Speaker 1: perceived by both people as a more passive expression. The
Speaker 1: middle and ring fingers are used to gain control of
Speaker 1: the handshake. Okay, I get it, now, I get Is
Speaker 1: this still a rational inquiry? Oh yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: guess it's hard to it's hard to say where one
Speaker 1: part and he's doing is taking ways that people interact
Speaker 1: and explaining them as if you've never heard of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you're an alien, if you are an alien making
Speaker 1: up because it never in my life. If I thought
Speaker 1: about where my feet are in a handshake, or be
Speaker 1: like that guy stepped forward with this left foot. He's
Speaker 1: showing submission. Yes, no, And I feel like I should
Speaker 1: acknowledge the fact that something can be said for like
Speaker 1: the way we stand in the way we sit subconsciously,
Speaker 1: like when you and this is something I've heard and
Speaker 1: all that, like lean and talk for women, But when
Speaker 1: you stand in a powerful stance and put your shoulders back,
Speaker 1: that can affect your confident absolutely. But this the way
Speaker 1: he's explaining it is not like feel more confident. It's
Speaker 1: very Yeah, this is how to dominate the other person,
Speaker 1: is how to take control of the handshake. Yeah, which
Speaker 1: so sad. Yeah. These leaked documents are also how we
Speaker 1: know the exact content of the confidentiality pledge that attendees
Speaker 1: were forced to recite the methods and information I learned
Speaker 1: in the ESP or from my use only, I will
Speaker 1: not speak of them or in any way give others
Speaker 1: knowledge of them outside ESP. Part of condition of being
Speaker 1: accepted to ESP is to keep all its information confidential.
Speaker 1: If I violate this, I am breaking a promise and
Speaker 1: breaching my contract. But more importantly, I am compromising my
Speaker 1: inner honesty and integrity. You know you're doing something embarrassing
Speaker 1: when everyone's like, yeah, but let's not tell anyone, don't
Speaker 1: tell anybody about this. Yeah, let's let's not know. There's
Speaker 1: every great thing people are a part of includes a
Speaker 1: confidentiality pledge. Yeah, anytime someone says that to me, I
Speaker 1: immediately want to tell the whole world. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: you don't get to tell me that. I feel like
Speaker 1: that's why some of these documents like yeah, like whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: this is weird. I'm going to tell everyone. Going back
Speaker 1: to the experiences of the lady we were quoting earlier,
Speaker 1: who attended an sp course and wrote about it, she
Speaker 1: also reported hearing an awful lot of nonsense about Keith
Speaker 1: Renaris like que quote. At times it was two, at
Speaker 1: other times it jumped to two hundred forty depending on
Speaker 1: who was praising his amazing nous. Um attendees were forced
Speaker 1: to watch a video of Nancy Salzman where she insisted
Speaker 1: that Vanguard was one of only two or three people
Speaker 1: in the world who could solve all of the planet's problems.
Speaker 1: Um So. This attendee actually sat through the whole session
Speaker 1: and says that she benefited from some of the exercises
Speaker 1: in the course. Once the instructor got done praising Keith Rhneery.
Speaker 1: It does sound like there's might be vaguely useful stuff
Speaker 1: buried in the nonsense. But the session ended with a
Speaker 1: two hour lecture on y E SP wasn't a cult,
Speaker 1: which is the number one warning sign that something is
Speaker 1: a cult. Yeah, come on, guys, this isn't a call.
Speaker 1: This isn't a call. It's going to get a little weird,
Speaker 1: but it's it's just how we do things. We're just
Speaker 1: worshiping a man who makes us isolate ourselves from society
Speaker 1: and our family. But it's not a cult. No. I
Speaker 1: wonder if this guy had any experience with scientology. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: he sure did. Oh yeah, no, scientology this so we'll
Speaker 1: get into some of this a little bit. But his
Speaker 1: everything that he's done is essentially a milange of iron
Speaker 1: rand I'm rance philosophy and scientology, including using some of
Speaker 1: the terms from scientology things to mash up. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: libertarian science pology. Yeah, so buckle up. So the session
Speaker 1: in with the two our lecture on white ESP wasn't
Speaker 1: a cult. The attendee who wrote that report noted that
Speaker 1: a majority of the other attendees seem to be women
Speaker 1: under twenty five who did not have a lot of
Speaker 1: self confidence. Yeah. Now, her report doesn't go into an
Speaker 1: awful lot of detail about the contents of the class,
Speaker 1: but fortunately we do have direct quotes from Nexium's source material.
Speaker 1: First off, here's an actual definition from the class of
Speaker 1: rational inquiry. Rational inquiry is a science based on the
Speaker 1: belief that the more consistent a person is in their thinking,
Speaker 1: the more successful the individual will be. That's bullshit. Well,
Speaker 1: that is in keeping with vagueness. That is the way,
Speaker 1: the vaguest way to talk about human thinking. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: be consistent. Which also that's bullshit because if you've ever
Speaker 1: worked a creative job, you know one of the keys
Speaker 1: to being effectively creative in a productive way is to
Speaker 1: change your circumstances and situation, mind state, and whatnot so
Speaker 1: that you can have you know, better ideas and even
Speaker 1: mean in this context, Yeah, consistency is great if you're
Speaker 1: making car engines. It's not great if you're a creative
Speaker 1: person trying to make a creative product. Yeah. Anyway, Keith
Speaker 1: Renery does go into more detail about what rational inquiry is,
Speaker 1: so we'll see if by the end of this paragraph
Speaker 1: you have any fucking idea what his breakthrough sciences. All
Speaker 1: adults have disintegrations because when they were children learning to
Speaker 1: be adults and learning about the world, our perspective was
Speaker 1: based on the perception, intellect, and wisdom of a small child.
Speaker 1: These lessons become the foundation of our whole adult reality.
Speaker 1: Rational inquiry lets you re examine these childhood beliefs from
Speaker 1: an adult perspective. So Keith Near, he claims he invented
Speaker 1: growing up. Yeah what literally, all he's doing is taking
Speaker 1: things people do anyway and naturally and giving them a
Speaker 1: bad name. Yeah, giving them a bad name, claiming that like, like, yes,
Speaker 1: of course we all learn things about the world that
Speaker 1: aren't true as children. Yeah, yeah, which is childhood. But
Speaker 1: I can see him. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit,
Speaker 1: but I can see the way that this like grasps
Speaker 1: at the edges of like psychoanalysis and question what you
Speaker 1: know to be reality, but in the like most useless
Speaker 1: of ways. Yeah, yeah, I can't see how anyone could
Speaker 1: benefit in a major way from this stuff. But I
Speaker 1: can see how because then this is something you'll see
Speaker 1: when we play some of his audio later. He will
Speaker 1: start with like, this is like citing an actual concept
Speaker 1: in psychology or developmental psychology or whatever, And for a
Speaker 1: minute or two he'll say something that's not nonsense, and
Speaker 1: he'll use that actual fact to make the nonsense that
Speaker 1: comes later sound like it's got some basis in science
Speaker 1: as opposed to just Keith Ranierie being full of ship.
Speaker 1: So uh, let's discuss the mission statement of Nexium Um.
Speaker 1: If you remember from the affidavit, Keith stated that his
Speaker 1: mission statement was so important that he had to see
Speaker 1: a guy over it. Here's how Dr Martin, who's one
Speaker 1: of the experts Rick Ross had review the materials, described
Speaker 1: the mission statement. The first point is success is an
Speaker 1: internal state of clear, honest knowledge of what I am,
Speaker 1: my value in the world, and my responsibility for the
Speaker 1: way I react to things. The second point is there
Speaker 1: are no ultimate victims. Therefore I will not choose to
Speaker 1: be a victim. There's a pledge to purge oneself of
Speaker 1: all parasite and nvy based habits. There's a pledge to
Speaker 1: control as much of the money of the world as
Speaker 1: possible within each student's success plan quote, a world of
Speaker 1: successful people will be a better world, and indeed a
Speaker 1: world devoid of hunger, theft, dishonesty, envy, and insecurity. People
Speaker 1: will no longer try to destroy each other and steal
Speaker 1: from each other or rejoice at in other's demise. Success
Speaker 1: ethics and integrity are coinspirational. I pledge to share and
Speaker 1: enroll people in ESP and its mission for myself to
Speaker 1: help make the world a better place to live. Man,
Speaker 1: the parallels to Trump are so heavy, Like I can
Speaker 1: see how offering people a way to empower themselves out
Speaker 1: of perceived victimhood could be enticing, but then tacking on
Speaker 1: and I'm going to make you super rich. Not just that,
Speaker 1: but the best thing. You know, if you're an ethical person,
Speaker 1: you look at it, all the fund up shi in
Speaker 1: the world, and you're like, oh my god, what could
Speaker 1: I do? He's saying the best thing you can do
Speaker 1: for the world is to make a shipload of money. Yeah. Wow,
Speaker 1: it's so broken. It's sad. It's the way I mean,
Speaker 1: if not to compare Keith Ranieri to fucking Hitler because
Speaker 1: they're not very similar people, but it's the same. It's
Speaker 1: the same thing. Like if you can tell a group
Speaker 1: of young people how special they are and make them
Speaker 1: feel special, they'll do almost anything for you. But on
Speaker 1: the other hand, I certainly have been in that position
Speaker 1: numerous times, like in high school, having a mentor who
Speaker 1: was a like a senior at the time, who was
Speaker 1: who seems so politically smart and led all the protests
Speaker 1: on campus and then looking back and like, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was just kind of getting off on having a
Speaker 1: lot of people look up to him. Yeah, And it's
Speaker 1: easy then, because you're in a very small pond. You
Speaker 1: don't need to know that much about the world. To
Speaker 1: Keith didn't need to know that much. He just needed
Speaker 1: to be better at talking than these people. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and of course make them pay thousands of dollars to
Speaker 1: attend his classes, because there is a sunk cost fallacy
Speaker 1: going on here. The five day intensive e SP course costs.
Speaker 1: There was a three day intensive in a sixteen day
Speaker 1: course which one assumes had to run at least seven
Speaker 1: or eight thousand dollars. So you're paying this guy a
Speaker 1: lot of money. You're going to be more inclined to
Speaker 1: believe he's not full of ship, right, Yeah, you got
Speaker 1: to protect yourself exactly. Say what you will about improv.
Speaker 1: But it's cheaper than that, Yes, yes, do improv, improv
Speaker 1: comedy cheaper than ESP classes. The healthiest quote you could
Speaker 1: join is improv. Yeah, maybe cross fit is a notch
Speaker 1: above it. Well, but people poop themselves a lot doing CrossFit.
Speaker 1: That's a real effect. If you know someone who got
Speaker 1: super at a crossbit, hey look excellent, they do look great. Yeah.
Speaker 1: A cornerstone of the intensive classes was working to shed
Speaker 1: parasitic behaviors, which you know we already quoted a little bit.
Speaker 1: Examples of such behavior included complaining about pain, expressing hunger,
Speaker 1: and statements like I know I promised, but I had
Speaker 1: no idea how hard or painful this was going to be.
Speaker 1: Oh god, oh yeah. Keith Renieri probably child molester, also
Speaker 1: gave new definitions of the words good and bad. Quote
Speaker 1: when we were little children, we learned bad when someone
Speaker 1: yelled no, or that's bad stop. We learned good when
Speaker 1: we were rewarded in some way. This sort of learning
Speaker 1: is inconsistent limiting, because in order to have a full
Speaker 1: understanding of each concept, we would have to examine every
Speaker 1: example of good and every example of bad. This practice
Speaker 1: session affords you the opportunity to reevaluate your definitions of
Speaker 1: these vital concepts to form a solid foundation for the future,
Speaker 1: which is, it sounds like someone who's going to do
Speaker 1: something bad, sounds like someone good do something bad and
Speaker 1: tell you it's good. Yeah, yeah, And if there's probably
Speaker 1: no creepier thing than saying it's parasitic to tell someone
Speaker 1: that you don't want to do something because it's painful. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. We already talked about how there are along
Speaker 1: lectures about how Nexium wasn't a cult. Keith does in
Speaker 1: his training manuals define the word cult. Uh quote. This
Speaker 1: is a label that conveys no meaning but to values
Speaker 1: the group. It is designed to keep people away from
Speaker 1: the group without saying what is wrong with it. Example,
Speaker 1: that's a cult. Classic exam classic, example, that's a cult.
Speaker 1: They also call anyone who doubts Nexium or anyone who
Speaker 1: breaks faith and tells other people at the classes a suppressive,
Speaker 1: which is straight out of scientology. Yeah. I could go
Speaker 1: on about Executive Success program training all day, but we
Speaker 1: have so much more ground to cover. I do want
Speaker 1: to point out just how careful Keith was to stay
Speaker 1: just on this side of not making legally fraudulent claims
Speaker 1: about his services. So I'm going to play a selection
Speaker 1: from a video Keith made called what Executive s S
Speaker 1: Programs Does, where he claims his seminars have supernatural healing
Speaker 1: powers in the weaselst way possible, and we will be
Speaker 1: posting links to all these videos on the site if
Speaker 1: you guys want to see Keith Renieri's creepy face, but
Speaker 1: you'll get a lot out of hearing his creepy voice.
Speaker 1: And I will say, within the thousands of people who
Speaker 1: have gone through we've had some incredibly you might call
Speaker 1: it strange or or wonderful happenings. And you can easily
Speaker 1: hold that up and say, oh, you know, we change
Speaker 1: this condition, or we there's one person in one of
Speaker 1: our intensives for whatever reason, how who knows, grew like
Speaker 1: three quarters of an inch and they're had some sort
Speaker 1: of release I think in their spine or their posture.
Speaker 1: Who knows what. Now that could have happened on the playground,
Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily happen from us. We've certainly that would
Speaker 1: be at best a case study and inadvertent case study.
Speaker 1: You certainly haven't done a double blind study, can we?
Speaker 1: You know? But do you have something like that, and oh,
Speaker 1: should we hold that up as a poster child and whatever? No,
Speaker 1: because I'm sure there are many activities. You know, public
Speaker 1: school has probably had more than we have of those
Speaker 1: sort of things. So when people get really good results
Speaker 1: from us, yes, we do take testimonials at times or whatever,
Speaker 1: but we we look at those results ideally as an
Speaker 1: effect of really the answer to the question do you
Speaker 1: have more joy in your life? We would have been
Speaker 1: very satisfied with our results with you if you kept
Speaker 1: your full blown turets and all of that sort of thing,
Speaker 1: but came out saying, you know something, life is better
Speaker 1: for me. So that guy is claiming that Keith cured
Speaker 1: his turets. Yeah, but no, but that's not what we're
Speaker 1: saying the course does. We're just saying this guy took
Speaker 1: the course and we're not saying it will make you taller.
Speaker 1: But it did happen to this one guy. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: it's smart. Again, it's a trump check dick. But I
Speaker 1: didn't get it when I just heard the written version
Speaker 1: of him. But hearing that he does know how to speak.
Speaker 1: He's very good at sea bringing it back like he
Speaker 1: was literally spouting bullshit. You said it best like supernatural,
Speaker 1: uh capacity of of course, like you know, you didn't
Speaker 1: make someone grow. Yeah, that's nonsense. Um. But to bring
Speaker 1: it back to like this question of did we bring
Speaker 1: more joy into your life? That's laser focus, that manipulating people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Keith Ranieri whatever else you can say about him,
Speaker 1: is a genius at manipulating people. Yeah. Um, and this
Speaker 1: brings us to the end of the part one of
Speaker 1: our two part series and Keith Ranieri. This wound up
Speaker 1: being like an eight thousand word thing that I wrote
Speaker 1: for this, so we have a lot more to cover
Speaker 1: when we come back on Thursday. We're going to talk
Speaker 1: about the first news articles that started to uncover the
Speaker 1: terrible story of Key through Eery back in the early
Speaker 1: two thousand's. Uh. And yes, we will get to more
Speaker 1: detail about the branding and all of that horrible ship.
Speaker 1: And we will also have some really weird videos of
Speaker 1: Keith Raney and Alex and Mac, So get ready for
Speaker 1: that on Thursday. Until then, Anna, do you wanna plug
Speaker 1: your plugables? Yeah? You can find me on Instagram. I
Speaker 1: make a web comic. It's bad Comics with an X
Speaker 1: by Anna with two ends. I make comics about depression, anxiety,
Speaker 1: and cheese. So I'm lack post intolerant And you can
Speaker 1: find me on Twitter at bad Comics by Anna. Her
Speaker 1: comics are actually good. Thank you. We've gotta we've got
Speaker 1: to throw that into legal reasons. Um. Yeah, we can't
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Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at I Write Okay
Speaker 1: two letters from my book on the Internet at A
Speaker 1: Brief History of Vices. It's on Amazon um. And you
Speaker 1: can find Behind the Bastards online at behind the Bastards
Speaker 1: dot com or on Twitter at Bastards pod. Uh So
Speaker 1: check us out. We'll have you know, some some video
Speaker 1: clips and pictures of this creep on there, and come
Speaker 1: back Thursday for the stirring conclusion to the story of
Speaker 1: Keith Rniery, a real piece of ship m