Speaker 1: Mmm, Hello friends, I'm Robert Evans, and this is once
Speaker 1: again Behind the Bastards, the show where we tell you
Speaker 1: everything you don't know about the very worst people in
Speaker 1: all of history. And today we're talking about a man
Speaker 1: who I truly believe is the worst person of the
Speaker 1: twenty one century. Now, by the end of this episode,
Speaker 1: you'll either agree with me or you won't. But to
Speaker 1: join me on this journey, this odyssey, this epic quest,
Speaker 1: are two of my very favorite people, Jamie Loftus and
Speaker 1: Maggie may Fish. Jamie, you are yeah, you guys. You
Speaker 1: guys should introduce yourself very quiet. That was breathier than
Speaker 1: I was intent day for. I had to copy it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the A S. M R. Crowd's really going to appreciate
Speaker 1: that one. I can't maintain sexy baby for what appears
Speaker 1: will be the length of this episode. It's okay, you
Speaker 1: know what else they're going to appreciate. That was a
Speaker 1: beautiful A Derrito's corn Bay snack. I had better try
Speaker 1: one myself. From our party size bag. We've got both
Speaker 1: Blaze and nacho cheese. I have never tried Blaze. I'm
Speaker 1: honestly too weak for Blaze, and I know you know,
Speaker 1: it's been a while since we talked about Dorrito's on
Speaker 1: the show, and for no reason that I'm willing to
Speaker 1: talk about. Right now, we're back into one baby, so
Speaker 1: Derritos will be accompanying us through this journey into the
Speaker 1: heart of Mark nous. Love that moisture, sucking dust it
Speaker 1: really it really distracted everyone from my terrible Mark. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did skip right over that and to appreciate it
Speaker 1: that that's the beauty of Doritos. We can only let
Speaker 1: two more fly. Unfortunately, really blew one right at the top.
Speaker 1: Derrito's nature sin remover, I could be one over. You're weak.
Speaker 1: That's your forget me now, the world's forgetting me now,
Speaker 1: Rufie your shame with Derrito's corn Bay snacks. Anyway, almost
Speaker 1: started Mark Zuckerberg speaking of marketing bad ideas. Okay, Mark
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg already, Yeah, let's get into it. In the Year
Speaker 1: of Our Lord two thousand seventeen, I made three trips
Speaker 1: into the Iraqi city of Mosel. It was at that
Speaker 1: point still partly occupied by Isis, who the locals just
Speaker 1: called Josh. I spent many hours huddled in small rooms
Speaker 1: with groups of Iraqi federal police and Special operations guys.
Speaker 1: We were all hunkered down listening for the tell tale
Speaker 1: hume of Dosh's drones, which they used as spotters for
Speaker 1: their mortar teams. Now here's the thing about being in
Speaker 1: a dangerous place like that, After a few hours of
Speaker 1: tense anxiety, you start to get bored. And the mobile
Speaker 1: internet and MOSEL was actually pretty good, surprisingly good, better
Speaker 1: than it is in Los Angeles. Sometimes so periodically, when
Speaker 1: I should have been doing literally anything else, I would
Speaker 1: whip out my phone and check Facebook. I remember one
Speaker 1: time in particular, I was embedded with a small unit
Speaker 1: of guys from the Iraqi ninth Federal Police Battalion. Things
Speaker 1: were exploding about a football field away from us, and
Speaker 1: I was facebooking. A bomb went off nearby, and I
Speaker 1: looked up from my smartphone and realized that everyone in
Speaker 1: the room, my Kurdish fixers, my wife slash photographer, the
Speaker 1: six soldiers we were chilling with, all of them were
Speaker 1: browsing Facebook. Of the room was on Facebook. Now I'm
Speaker 1: telling you this story because I want to start this
Speaker 1: week's podcast about Mark Zuckerberg by acknowledging his genius. I'm
Speaker 1: about to spend about four hours tearing him apart as
Speaker 1: a human being, But in my opinion, he is undeniably
Speaker 1: a brilliant man. Anyone who builds something so universally desired
Speaker 1: and used has a kind of brilliance. And Facebook is
Speaker 1: objectively brilliant in the same way that's say, Heroin is brilliant.
Speaker 1: So that's my little intro. Yeah, I like it, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Let's get into this ship. A lot of digital ink
Speaker 1: has been built in the last few years about the
Speaker 1: sundry negative impacts Facebook has had on our society and world.
Speaker 1: I want to make it clear off the bat that, well,
Speaker 1: this will certainly be a part of the podcast. I
Speaker 1: tend to view Facebook as a tool, and this more
Speaker 1: or less morally neutral on its own. Our goal here
Speaker 1: is not to attack the social network as a concept
Speaker 1: or make you feel bad about using it. I haven't
Speaker 1: deleted my Facebook. It's how I talked to my family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how I keep an eye on my mom's uh
Speaker 1: confusing internet presence. Yeah, a lot of parents sharing a
Speaker 1: lot of fake news about scary things. Yeah, my mom
Speaker 1: likes memes. You know, when we were all just sharing
Speaker 1: goatsia around ourselves and never thought my parents would but
Speaker 1: with something even grosser. My mom started doing this thing
Speaker 1: where she'll change your profile picture to a llama and
Speaker 1: it's some it's some old person joke that I don't understand,
Speaker 1: and she can't explain it to me, like we do
Speaker 1: it on Facebook, and I was like, why oh the
Speaker 1: boomer of Italian Okay, So our goal is not to
Speaker 1: focus on Facebook, but it's founder Mark Zuckerberg, who, as
Speaker 1: I stayed at the top, I come to believe is
Speaker 1: one of the very worst people alive on this planet.
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, he usually depicted as like a robot,
Speaker 1: like that's the way a lot of descriptions of him
Speaker 1: will take. And I think that's unfair. I think it's unfair,
Speaker 1: and I think it's calculated. Yeah, and it like allows
Speaker 1: him to get away with a ship by being like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just aukward and weird. Yeah. Yeah, I just don't
Speaker 1: get your human emotions. No, no, Mark zucker No, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you get it. You get it. So Mark Elliott Zuckerberg
Speaker 1: was born on May fourteenth, nineteen four in White Plains,
Speaker 1: New York. For all your astrology heads out there, I
Speaker 1: crunched some numbers. He's a Torus son scorpio moon virgo,
Speaker 1: ascending him what you will wow telling chart, I think
Speaker 1: telling and powerfully erotic chart. Now Mark's father, Edward, is
Speaker 1: a dentist. His mother, Karen, was a psychiatrist, but gave
Speaker 1: up her career to manage her husband's business and raised
Speaker 1: their four children, Mark, Randy, Donna, and Ariel. The business
Speaker 1: was run out of their house in Dobbs Ferry, New York.
Speaker 1: Elliot Zuckerberg went by painless Doctor Z and his motto
Speaker 1: was we cater to cowards. It's a good dentist motto.
Speaker 1: Good so far whatever hardcore for me. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that would be the cowards. No. I what the
Speaker 1: dentist up? My dr My dentists name as a child
Speaker 1: was doctor Vagennie Vagennis, the Dennis Vajennie. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: vagenis he must have never had a choice of what
Speaker 1: he was going to do. Stay tuned next week for
Speaker 1: the surely exciting episode on Dr Vagennis the Dentist. Don't
Speaker 1: know anything else about him, but I'm sure there's an
Speaker 1: hour of content in there. So Mark grew up comfortable,
Speaker 1: shall we say not funk the world, rich but very
Speaker 1: well off. Edward was a techy guy, and he trained
Speaker 1: his son and how to use the basic computer language
Speaker 1: on a natari. When Mark was twelve, his dad mentioned
Speaker 1: that he wanted a better way for his receptionist to
Speaker 1: inform him when a new patient had arrived. Mark used
Speaker 1: his code in knowledge to build a program called zucknet. Zucknet. Oh,
Speaker 1: I was swallowing water during that. This is where it
Speaker 1: started in his view of the world, which is him him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no points for originality on the name. No Zucknet. And
Speaker 1: just as a heads up, I had to type Mark
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg a lot on this podcast, and I've come up
Speaker 1: with a lot of nicknames for him. None of them
Speaker 1: are good. May we rank them? Yes, I'm these are
Speaker 1: not clever nicknames. I'm just gonna state that off the
Speaker 1: bat now. Zucknett has been described as a primitive version
Speaker 1: of Ale Well instant messenger. The receptionist was able to
Speaker 1: use it to ping ed, and members of the Zuckerberg
Speaker 1: family soon took to messaging each other with it too.
Speaker 1: Once the young Mark had his family addicted to the program,
Speaker 1: he started sucking with him. Here's the New Yorker quote.
Speaker 1: One evening, while Donna was working in her room, downstairs.
Speaker 1: As screen popped up. The computer contained a deadly virus
Speaker 1: and would blow up in thirty seconds. As the machine
Speaker 1: counted down, Donna ran up the stairs shouting, Mark, So okay,
Speaker 1: right now, we're still in the zone where I'm like
Speaker 1: that it could be a fun could be cute, a
Speaker 1: cute little product. I mean, not to fast forward, but
Speaker 1: it seems like he has never grows up. It does
Speaker 1: seem like he never all his cheating on his final
Speaker 1: exam via Facebook. Yeah, you can't blame him for this yet,
Speaker 1: but given everything else, it's kind of telling because he
Speaker 1: can't grow a beard, you know, It's like there's a
Speaker 1: lot going on. He definitely never considered that. Actually, he's
Speaker 1: even worse at growing a beard than Ted Crews. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very smooth face. And that's the shame, because after a
Speaker 1: shame like Facebook went through with the election, you would
Speaker 1: expect him to drop out of public life for a
Speaker 1: while and then come back with a beard and launch
Speaker 1: a new product. That's what he wanted to do. But
Speaker 1: it can't just like, yeah, I'll go listen to people.
Speaker 1: The smooth, droopy face. He didn't have a beard to
Speaker 1: wipe his sins away, and he didn't know that the
Speaker 1: delicious taste of nacho cheese deritos could have done that
Speaker 1: job for him. What a shame, What a heart break.
Speaker 1: Now we Mark's brilliance was not all the result of
Speaker 1: autodidactic study. When he was eleven, his parents started paying
Speaker 1: for a computer tutor to help him develop his skills.
Speaker 1: They had computer tutor money in the nineties. Pooter tutor,
Speaker 1: good old fashioned pooter tutor. This pooter tutor did describe
Speaker 1: Mark as a prodigy. I'm sure he was. One of
Speaker 1: Mark's favorite childhood hobbies was to invite his artist friends
Speaker 1: over to the house, have them draw things, and then
Speaker 1: Mark would code video games based on the drawings. Try hard, friend,
Speaker 1: I'm sure those were great parties, everybody drinking way too
Speaker 1: much mountain dew. Good times. For years, I only had
Speaker 1: a pool to offer for friendship, so I would tell
Speaker 1: the cool girls all like, you could come to them
Speaker 1: in my pool, and then they would and then they
Speaker 1: would leave anywhere else. No, yeah, we should have learned
Speaker 1: how to code. Damn. Yeah, then you'd have been breaking
Speaker 1: in the friends. That's what it's all about now, being
Speaker 1: a precocious rich kid. Mark Zuckerberg's parents shelled out the
Speaker 1: big bucks to get him enrolled at Phillips Exeter Academy
Speaker 1: for high school. Yeah, okay, yeah, I have a lot
Speaker 1: of strong opinions on Exter. Oh I'm decided to hear them.
Speaker 1: For some reference, Exeter currently cost its boarding students somewhere
Speaker 1: around forty six tho dollars a year, so Mark's parents
Speaker 1: spent roughly the annual income of an average American family
Speaker 1: on their son's high school education. Everyone who goes to
Speaker 1: Exit is a certified chowed. You will not change opinion
Speaker 1: that I've encountered so many. Now, Exeter, if you want
Speaker 1: to sponsor the show, why would be my We'll take
Speaker 1: your cho But that would be very surprising. I mean
Speaker 1: they would have to eat Doritos and then they would
Speaker 1: be changed forever to become good people. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: in that like in the nineties commercial you bite it
Speaker 1: and then suddenly you're on a skateboard. That's what Exeter needs. Now.
Speaker 1: While Mark was an Exeter, he fell in love with fencing.
Speaker 1: I did too, right around the same time. So let's
Speaker 1: not have any fencing jokes. How I'm out open and
Speaker 1: then it closed. I know, I know, you're welcome ready
Speaker 1: she was, I watched the joke fire back into her now.
Speaker 1: Zucky Boy did well and most of his classes, but
Speaker 1: his strength continued to be programming. At Exeter, he built
Speaker 1: a program called Synapse, which was essentially a primitive precursor
Speaker 1: to Pandora AOL, and Microsoft reportedly offered to buy the
Speaker 1: software from him, and he turned them down. When he
Speaker 1: went up in college, one of the stories people told
Speaker 1: about him is that he was the kid who turned
Speaker 1: down a million dollars from and he doesn't care about
Speaker 1: the money. It's not about the money. Yeah, the Accidental Billionaires,
Speaker 1: the book that was the basis for the Social Network,
Speaker 1: makes a huge deal about him turning down the money.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think that title says a lot
Speaker 1: the accidental. I think it's easier to understand. Like Mark's
Speaker 1: dad was rich, a ship, he was paying forty six
Speaker 1: dollars a year. First kids college, Mark's never worried about
Speaker 1: money a day in his life, So why would give
Speaker 1: a big ship about a million dollars? Like, yeah, anything
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything, it's not it's not His mom doesn't
Speaker 1: have like diabetes and like can't afford her medication and stuff,
Speaker 1: which most kids you get offered a million dollars and
Speaker 1: that because you're greedy. It's like, yeah, that'll change my
Speaker 1: family's life. Yeah, but this wouldn't make really much of
Speaker 1: a dead He'll go to Harvard either way. Fuck it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's still hate rich people so much. Yeah, realized my
Speaker 1: deepest fear is rich people. And I'm coming to terms
Speaker 1: with that. Totally reasonable fear. Yeah, way more dangerous my
Speaker 1: deepest resentment. It's not resentment because I don't want to
Speaker 1: be rich. I wanted myself and my friends not be
Speaker 1: scared about our lack of healthcare. Yeah, I want that,
Speaker 1: But I don't want Mark Zuckerberg money. I just don't
Speaker 1: want anyone else to have Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: want anyone to have any money. But he's giving his
Speaker 1: money away. And also, no, he's not. Several of my
Speaker 1: notes dig into the quote unquote charity, not charity work,
Speaker 1: A rich person's charity. That's not a real charity. Guys,
Speaker 1: he's an accidental billionaire. Come a break. Well, it is
Speaker 1: very odd to have someone who is creating the housing
Speaker 1: crisis in San Francisco while also using a fake charity
Speaker 1: to pretend to help the resolve. I feel like the
Speaker 1: CEO of Salesforce is the only rich guy in San
Speaker 1: Francisco who's not full of shit about that. And it's like, no,
Speaker 1: we've created a problem. We should probably pay taxes to
Speaker 1: fix it. But anyway, Salesforce know he's the he's the
Speaker 1: only billionaire in San Francisco who came out in favor
Speaker 1: of the tax hike. To whatever, you get a point.
Speaker 1: I still don't think you should be a billionaire, but
Speaker 1: at least you're not on the wrong side of that
Speaker 1: issue now. Mark Zuckerberg graduated from high school and was
Speaker 1: accepted by Harvard. He joined the Alpha Epsilon Pie fraternity,
Speaker 1: which is a Jewish fraternity, and met his now wife,
Speaker 1: Priscilla Chan at one of their parties. We started talking
Speaker 1: in a line to the bathroom. She later recalled to
Speaker 1: the New Yorker quote. He was this nerdy guy who
Speaker 1: was just a little bit out there. I remember he
Speaker 1: had these beer glasses that said pound include beer dot h.
Speaker 1: It's a tag for C plus plus. It's like college humor,
Speaker 1: but with a nerdy computer science appeal. I feel so
Speaker 1: you could just say unfunnable. He was unfuckable, but it
Speaker 1: was clear that he'd be rich. It's like I can
Speaker 1: read between these Mark could not because he had those
Speaker 1: glasses with ship typed on. Now, Zuck quickly made a
Speaker 1: name for himself at Harvard, and that's what he prefers
Speaker 1: people to call him suck, is that his preferred him
Speaker 1: that name. Harvard frats are not even they're not They're boring.
Speaker 1: The excellent billionaires talks a lot about the Harvard frats,
Speaker 1: the final clubs and shut. I'm not going to get
Speaker 1: into that much because it's just so frustrating to talk about.
Speaker 1: The short story is call me back when you're an
Speaker 1: M I T. Frat. They program their own lit floors
Speaker 1: and sometimes kill themselves during nitrous oxide. Very true, Pretty cool,
Speaker 1: Pretty cool. Okay, So he quickly made a name himself
Speaker 1: at Harvard. People, of course talked about the fact that
Speaker 1: he'd turned down a million dollars. They also talked about
Speaker 1: course Match, a program he built during the first week
Speaker 1: of his sophomore year. It allowed students picking classes to
Speaker 1: see what classes there are other classmates had picked. Now
Speaker 1: that sounds innocuous, right, you know, yeah, nothing nothing inherently
Speaker 1: bad about that idea, But it's real purpose was to
Speaker 1: allow guys to figure out which classes the hot girls
Speaker 1: were registered in, so that they could pick the same
Speaker 1: class always where I am. Mark Zuckerberg's life does not
Speaker 1: pass the Bechtel test. Come chase me, zuck zuck zuck
Speaker 1: uh Mark's next groundbreaking achievement was facemash. The Accidental Billionaires
Speaker 1: describes it as quote a website where you compared two
Speaker 1: pictures of undergraduate girls, voted on which was hotter than
Speaker 1: watched as some complex algorithms calculated who were the hottest
Speaker 1: chicks on campus. A good good, good once you're in
Speaker 1: the school, in the country. Good to know whether you
Speaker 1: are hot or if you are. I'm glad you still
Speaker 1: get to be, you know, objectified. It's fair Harvard, not
Speaker 1: homely Harvard. True. Yeah, there was a day at Northwestern
Speaker 1: where they had one of these two or three days
Speaker 1: there was one. Yeah, there was briefly one at my
Speaker 1: college as well, and it was quickly shut down. But
Speaker 1: make no mistake, I tried to figure out what my
Speaker 1: ranking was. I don't think I was on the site.
Speaker 1: I did look for my side also, and I cried
Speaker 1: about that. I was like, I'm not even hot enough
Speaker 1: to register on the site. I don't know if my
Speaker 1: college had one, but I was not sober enough in
Speaker 1: freshman and sophomore. You do you use a computer? Which
Speaker 1: makes me Yeah, your life passes the back to too
Speaker 1: drunk to be a misogynist. Okay, Now, the pictures on
Speaker 1: face mash came from the harp facebooks. Now, the Harvard
Speaker 1: facebooks were databases that each residence hall kept on the
Speaker 1: students who lived there. Most of these facebooks were private
Speaker 1: and only accessible to people in that residence unit. Now,
Speaker 1: young Mark Zuckerberg kept a blog, and because of that,
Speaker 1: we actually have a rather deep insight into what he
Speaker 1: was thinking while he programmed face mash. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to read out young zuckety zuck zucka zucka loo zucks.
Speaker 1: That was bad. But I'm gonna type Young Mark Zuckerberg's
Speaker 1: thank you, Yeah eat one of those shamed to Rito's fantastic.
Speaker 1: All right, here's Mark Zuckerberg talking about face mash PM.
Speaker 1: I'm a little intoxicated, not gonna lie. So what if
Speaker 1: it's not even ten pm and it's a Tuesday night.
Speaker 1: What the Kirkland Facebook is open on my computer desktop?
Speaker 1: And some of these people have pretty horrendous Facebook picks.
Speaker 1: I almost want to put some of these faces next
Speaker 1: to pictures of farm animals and have people vote on
Speaker 1: which is more attractive. Eleven O nine pm. Yeah, it's on.
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure how the farm animals are going
Speaker 1: to fit into this whole thing. You can't ever really
Speaker 1: be sure with farm animals. But I like the idea
Speaker 1: of pairing two people together. It gives the whole thing
Speaker 1: a very tearing field, since people's rating of the pictures
Speaker 1: will be more implicit than say, choosing a number to
Speaker 1: represent each person's hotness, like they do on Hot or
Speaker 1: Not dot com. The other thing we're going to need
Speaker 1: is a lot of pictures. Unfortunately, Harvard doesn't keep a
Speaker 1: public centralized Facebook, so I'm gonna have to get all
Speaker 1: the images from the individual houses that people are in,
Speaker 1: and that means no Freshman pictures. Drat, you can hear
Speaker 1: him petting a cat. Yeah, it's also funny because the
Speaker 1: way you read that, I think it's probably more attuned
Speaker 1: to how he was actually Yeah, as opposed to in
Speaker 1: the film where they choose a sort of Rainman type style,
Speaker 1: were very gently put the total bullshit. But like the yeah,
Speaker 1: the it sounds like he took like a swig of
Speaker 1: off brand vodka. I think he was drinking Mr. Boston.
Speaker 1: It was some sort of shitty beer it was. It
Speaker 1: was like not good beer, but not terrible beer. It
Speaker 1: was nicer than Budweiser. No, it was some weird East
Speaker 1: Coast thing, but it wasn't y loser. I'm not disagreeing
Speaker 1: with you there, And I feel like the only other
Speaker 1: way that Andry could end would be like Also, I
Speaker 1: came up with this idea called in cells. I also
Speaker 1: founded another type of I'm just gonna see the world
Speaker 1: with these ideologies crapping up now. I do want to
Speaker 1: note that I don't think the no Freshman pictures line
Speaker 1: is creepy the way Zuckerberg uses it, because I do
Speaker 1: think that he is fundamentally the kind of guy who
Speaker 1: would be bugged by building his creepy wank side off
Speaker 1: of an incomplete data set. Yeah. I suspect that that's
Speaker 1: really what's going on. He's like, I don't have all
Speaker 1: the pictures, so we are going to get into how
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg got all of the pictures that he used
Speaker 1: for his creepy wink side as a hand, he stole them. Wow,
Speaker 1: what another theme that first I took him on a sidekick.
Speaker 1: But first, Maggie, you're a fan of product Jamie, how
Speaker 1: do you feel about services I live to consume. Let's
Speaker 1: all first consume a delightful dorrito. Oh my god, that's
Speaker 1: so good. And then let's consume these other fine products
Speaker 1: and services that have paid us. And we're back. We're back.
Speaker 1: We just had a quick little dorito break while we
Speaker 1: appreciated all of the many bountiful blessings of capitalism. And
Speaker 1: now we're talking about how Mark Zuckerberg got all of
Speaker 1: the pictures for his creepy wank site. Now, the very sensible,
Speaker 1: super reasonable privacy rules Harvard University had established to protect
Speaker 1: the pictures and data of its students were getting in
Speaker 1: the way of something Mark Zuckerberg wanted to do. Want
Speaker 1: to do this, he was left with only one option,
Speaker 1: only one option, break into those residence halls and steal
Speaker 1: the data. Now Ben Mezrich, the bad writer of The
Speaker 1: Accidental Billionaires, suspects that that's exactly what Mark did. Uh
Speaker 1: and typically overwrought, overwritten fashion Mesrich envisions Mark sneaking into
Speaker 1: the residence halls like a teenage tony version of Tom
Speaker 1: Cruise and Mission Impossible. He admits that this is totally theoretical,
Speaker 1: but he imagines a couple fucking in the room while
Speaker 1: Marcus stealing the data, like and he's hiding from them
Speaker 1: about a dorky eighteen year home. He was writing it
Speaker 1: so that the Erin Sorkin movie would be exciting, Like
Speaker 1: he was handing off He was literally handing off chapters
Speaker 1: to Sorkin as he finished. Sorkin Also, Yeah, I mean, well,
Speaker 1: it's like when all these people believe in the inherent
Speaker 1: genius and you know, we should praise really really a
Speaker 1: wild circle jerk taking place. Fincher, Yeah, and Fincher, And
Speaker 1: it's a perfect storm of people who are looking down
Speaker 1: on others, people who are self mythologized. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: a lot of people who are really good at one
Speaker 1: thing and no better than anyone else, but think they're
Speaker 1: really good at everything because they're really good at one thing.
Speaker 1: It's why engineers make up most terrorists. Wow, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: Look it up. I do want to say my biggest
Speaker 1: takeaway is that Zuckerberg is smart at one thing and
Speaker 1: is incredibly stupid at everything else. Like every other person,
Speaker 1: every other person, every other person on the planet. But
Speaker 1: like your plumber doesn't get on airs about his ability
Speaker 1: to fix a smart watch or launch a social network.
Speaker 1: He knows. No, I'm fine and everything else. I'm really
Speaker 1: good at plumbing. That's great. That's how the world works.
Speaker 1: You don't try to run for president. Yeah, I'm good
Speaker 1: at this job. I would be terrible at fighting fires.
Speaker 1: For some reason. I'm looking at margat Zuckerberg merch right now.
Speaker 1: Just get a shirt with them. We'll come up with
Speaker 1: a shirt ideator in this podcast. I do have in
Speaker 1: the shirt we're coming out with Hendenburg the Oligarchy. He's
Speaker 1: going to be one of the guys on the Flaming
Speaker 1: Hendenberg hashtag Hendenburg the Oligarchy. Everybody they all died on blimps.
Speaker 1: We wouldn't have these problems. So I did not find
Speaker 1: The Excellent Billionaires to be an enjoyable read. But I
Speaker 1: have to say I think a lot of what Mesrich posits,
Speaker 1: including most of this, is quite plausible. I doubt anyone
Speaker 1: was sucking the room. But the idea that Mark was
Speaker 1: basically breaking into these residents also steal pictures. He got
Speaker 1: the pictures somehow. That seems possible. Now, I broke into
Speaker 1: a residence hall and still several air conditioners, so not
Speaker 1: that hard. You can't just drop that and getting did
Speaker 1: you need the air conditioners yourself? Dope to me? I
Speaker 1: felt like I needed it. I was really hot. Ironically
Speaker 1: broke into a bunch of Boston campuses that weren't mine
Speaker 1: my freshman year of high school because I was hired
Speaker 1: for the street team of the Social network. So I
Speaker 1: snuck onto Harvard Grounds to put up posters to be
Speaker 1: like heard of this movie? That is a deep connection.
Speaker 1: That is a really deep connection. I still have a
Speaker 1: mouse pad. Fantastic you have? You have like merchant you have?
Speaker 1: So however he didn't. Mark managed to steal all the
Speaker 1: pictures he needed to build his stupid hotter not clone.
Speaker 1: Here's what he wrote on his blog before taking it live. Perhaps, however,
Speaker 1: it will squelch it for legal reasons without realizing its
Speaker 1: value as a venture that could possibly be expanded to
Speaker 1: other schools, maybe even once with good looking people. But
Speaker 1: one thing is certain, and it's that I'm a jerk
Speaker 1: for making this site. Oh well, someone had to do
Speaker 1: it eventually. Were we letting for our looks? Know? Will
Speaker 1: we be judged on them. Yes, fucker wow. During this
Speaker 1: he realizes that he is not a catch. I will say,
Speaker 1: in fairness, I don't think Mark Zuckerberg ever had illusions
Speaker 1: about that. Feel like you had to write it down
Speaker 1: at anything. I really got to become a billionaire. Zuckerberg
Speaker 1: launched the program and gave the u r L to
Speaker 1: a handful of friends and some kids he wanted to impress.
Speaker 1: According to Mezrich, facemash went viral without zuck really intending
Speaker 1: for that to happen. In the first two hours, the
Speaker 1: site logged two votes. Now that was only by like
Speaker 1: four hundred some odd students, so everyone on Harvard sounds
Speaker 1: kind of gross. In fairness, Mark shut it down as
Speaker 1: soon as he realized it had gotten way, way more
Speaker 1: popular than he had intended, but the damage was done.
Speaker 1: He was holding in front of Harvard's deans to explain himself.
Speaker 1: He admitted he'd done a bad thing, but argued that
Speaker 1: he had also helped expose security flaws in Harvard systems,
Speaker 1: and he offered to help fix those flaws. That's that's
Speaker 1: the rock star moment in the film. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And that that that's how Mesrich presents it. He also
Speaker 1: states that marks social awkwardness and his confusion was his
Speaker 1: greatest defense, but the Deans had realized he wasn't really
Speaker 1: a bad kid. Yeah, I'm gonna read I'm gonna read
Speaker 1: a little selection from that He's just awkward. Ye don't
Speaker 1: you feel bad for him? Just actually wants to have
Speaker 1: sex with Yeah? Actually that's Rashida Jones is the purpose
Speaker 1: of her character screenplay is to make sure that we
Speaker 1: still like him. I mean, because she just like Rashi
Speaker 1: and Jones like after look, said Jesse Eisenberg sympathetically, and
Speaker 1: that like don't don't don't like the place every time
Speaker 1: I think I actually found a Mark Zuckerberg shirt that
Speaker 1: I want. So I'm gonna read the clip from that
Speaker 1: Chunk of Accidental Billionaires that describes that, saying, you guys
Speaker 1: are just going over because I think it's actually grosser.
Speaker 1: The gathered Deans had looked at him and listened to
Speaker 1: his stilted affectation, and they had realized that Mark wasn't
Speaker 1: really a bad kid. He just didn't think the same
Speaker 1: way other kids did. He hadn't realized that girls were
Speaker 1: going to get mad because guys were voting on their
Speaker 1: appearance hell Market. Eduardo and probably every other college guy
Speaker 1: in the world had been ranking female classmates in terms
Speaker 1: of hotness since the dawn of structured education. Eduardo was
Speaker 1: pretty sure that someday some paleontologist would find a cave
Speaker 1: drawing ranking neander tall girls. It was simply human nature. No,
Speaker 1: it's not. That's no, it's no, it's not. Treating people
Speaker 1: like a rotten tomatoes score is not inherent human nature. Well,
Speaker 1: what was the first time you remember being like rated
Speaker 1: by someone? In uh, my little fool, Yeah, middle school.
Speaker 1: I'm remember there was a large period of my life
Speaker 1: where I was not hot and then like when I
Speaker 1: became okay looking was when someone stuck a sticker on
Speaker 1: my butt. It was a spicy sticker from the Spicy Sandwich?
Speaker 1: Is that that was my first like someone finds me
Speaker 1: someone had to a chicken sticker on you. But I
Speaker 1: remember there was like a hard copy circulating my fourth
Speaker 1: grade class and it would change for a three years,
Speaker 1: so there was like a racer marks. It is a
Speaker 1: real thing that people will always do forever, but empowering
Speaker 1: it in any way and easier to do. I don't
Speaker 1: know that people who always do it forever. I think
Speaker 1: that boys, because I can tell you I did it
Speaker 1: as like a teenage boy. And I did it because
Speaker 1: I grew up with media that did it too, with
Speaker 1: like magazines, like like I didn't just come up with
Speaker 1: in my head like oh what if we ranked girls
Speaker 1: on a ten point system? Like I saw that and
Speaker 1: read that on the Internet and then I did it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Face Mash was something of a disaster on the surface,
Speaker 1: but it earned marked the attention of the winkle Boss Twins,
Speaker 1: two young rich kids who liked rowing boats and had
Speaker 1: come up with a brilliant idea of creating an app
Speaker 1: called the Harvard Connection. I think the Winklevoss twins are cute.
Speaker 1: They are objectively cute. They're objectively good looking guys. And
Speaker 1: I used to try to play a character that was
Speaker 1: the third Winkle Vos. He was like their spare tire,
Speaker 1: his nameless trip Trip. Yeah it would be trip. It's
Speaker 1: chippy had sex with the car. I refused to believe
Speaker 1: that both Winklevoss twins have not also had sex with cars.
Speaker 1: They haven't a money. They could have bought kit from
Speaker 1: night Rider. That's true. The Bitcoin brothers, Yeah, they're hot.
Speaker 1: They're hot. They're hot and they roll, no wonder Mark
Speaker 1: hated them. Yeah, well they're hot. It's the revenge of
Speaker 1: the nerds. Uh, you know story. So they're classic feminist texts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was another movie I like, There's a teenage Boy,
Speaker 1: and then watched as an adult was like, is that
Speaker 1: that's rape? Fun film? Now? Um? The idea of the
Speaker 1: Harvard Connection, the site the Winkl bosses wanted to make
Speaker 1: was basically a site where they wanted a site where
Speaker 1: cool guys in college could meet girls without having to
Speaker 1: meet them in person. There was something called the fun
Speaker 1: Bus that would ferry girls from other colleges to Harvard.
Speaker 1: That's what they called it, the fun Bus. But they
Speaker 1: thought that was inefficient and wasted time, and they wanted
Speaker 1: a faster way to meet people to fuck. And that
Speaker 1: was the idea behind the Harvard Connection. The Winkle bosses
Speaker 1: couldn't actually cope. They were just rich guys with an
Speaker 1: idea for a Fox site. Mark Zuckerberg came into Robert language,
Speaker 1: what else do you call it? And I got nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with a Fox site if it's another like Tinder.
Speaker 1: Tinder was just creative so that everybody could fuck. But
Speaker 1: a site just so that rich guys can meet girls
Speaker 1: to fuck. That's gross, a site for everyone to fuck whatever.
Speaker 1: I got another it's true because it's like it's like
Speaker 1: a selected few getting a certain like the specific idea
Speaker 1: that like, we're just so busy rowing boats and going
Speaker 1: to school, what if we had a Fox site. If
Speaker 1: a man can row a boat, he can. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to finish that bottle at a Harvard rower once
Speaker 1: from the bridge. In my defense, I was drunk at
Speaker 1: al Jamie. I uh, you, you can't know how proud
Speaker 1: I am knowing that, but it's super proud. So the
Speaker 1: Winkle Bosses didn't actually know how to code, which is
Speaker 1: where Mark Zuckerber came into the picture. He initially agreed
Speaker 1: to help him with the project, and for a while
Speaker 1: he emailed back and forth with them, but as time
Speaker 1: went on, it slowly became clear that Market no intention
Speaker 1: of actually working on their project. He was just stringing
Speaker 1: the Winkel Boss twins along while he worked on his
Speaker 1: own project, titled the Facebook. Now, the Facebook was minus
Speaker 1: a few features the social network we all know and
Speaker 1: gradually accept the existence of today. Mark did not started
Speaker 1: on his own at the very beginning. The ground floor level.
Speaker 1: He worked with a dude named Dwardo. Savern now Saverurren,
Speaker 1: was a fellow Harvard student and one of young Zuck's
Speaker 1: few good friends at the school. He came from a
Speaker 1: rich family and had made like three hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: the year before with a series of clever investments. Mark
Speaker 1: needed Edwardo's cash to get his idea for the Facebook
Speaker 1: off the ground. The original agreement was that Edwardo would
Speaker 1: be the Facebook's business manager, while Mark would handle the coding.
Speaker 1: Edwardo put in the first thousand dollars necessary to get
Speaker 1: Facebook off the ground by servers and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: With the money taking care of for now, Mark Zuckerberg
Speaker 1: was free to build the website of his dreams. While
Speaker 1: the Facebook of today looks a lot different from the
Speaker 1: focused Harvard Connection website, the Winklebus twins thought Mark was
Speaker 1: building for them, the original designed for the Facebook had
Speaker 1: an awful lot in common with that idea. Here's how
Speaker 1: the accidental billionaires described the initial layout of the site.
Speaker 1: There was a picture near the top, whatever picture you
Speaker 1: wanted to add, then a list of attributes on the
Speaker 1: right side. Here you were in college, your major or
Speaker 1: your high school where you came from. Clubs, you're a
Speaker 1: member of a favorite quote and then list of friends
Speaker 1: people you could add yourself or invite to join a
Speaker 1: poke application that allows you to poke other people's profiles.
Speaker 1: Were checking them out and in big letters, your sex,
Speaker 1: what you were looking for, your relationship status, and what
Speaker 1: you were interested in. So while Mark's vision was seemingly
Speaker 1: more complete than the Winklevosses idea for Harvard Connection, it
Speaker 1: came down to the same basic goal getting people, namely
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg quote. The thing that would drive the social
Speaker 1: network was the same thing that drove life at college. Sex.
Speaker 1: The Actual Billionaires is a fun book. Yeah, so, but
Speaker 1: I don't think he's wrong about that. I think he's
Speaker 1: I think he's nailing what these kids were going for.
Speaker 1: They wanted a fox side kingrats to everyone like like,
Speaker 1: I like, I guess like naive is the wrong word,
Speaker 1: But I like really didn't think about sex at all
Speaker 1: until much later in my life. I was like to
Speaker 1: be married in the military. That was chilling. M No,
Speaker 1: I don't think that some things I could have done
Speaker 1: no one I knew was fucking Yeah yeah me either, really,
Speaker 1: I guess, man, man, yeah, It's like it's impossible to
Speaker 1: be an eighteen to twenty year on year old mail
Speaker 1: and not be thinking about that way too much. Like,
Speaker 1: not that are the focus of our media doesn't make
Speaker 1: it worse. But you know your hormones as a man,
Speaker 1: like that's when things are going fucking wild, so people
Speaker 1: be horny. H virginity to a woman. Actually, now that
Speaker 1: I congratulation. Yeah, hell yeah. Now. I could go on
Speaker 1: for a while about the juvenile nature of Facebook and
Speaker 1: his founding. They chose to hire their first wave of
Speaker 1: coders based on the results of a drinking contest, but
Speaker 1: I feel like they would be counterproductive. You'll get the point.
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg was a gross young adult when he first
Speaker 1: started his social network. It has gross DNA. But none
Speaker 1: of us are at our best when we're college sophomores.
Speaker 1: I hope most of you didn't do anything as nasty
Speaker 1: as steal thousands of people's data so you could rate
Speaker 1: girls based on whether or not they were hotter than
Speaker 1: literal cows. But we all do ship that we aren't
Speaker 1: proud of at that age. I would not be declaring
Speaker 1: Marque bastard purely on the fact that he was a sick,
Speaker 1: horny nerd. In college. When I was eighteen, I drank
Speaker 1: so much that I vomited on three separate strangers at
Speaker 1: the same party, three separate occasions. When I was nineteen,
Speaker 1: my friends and I brewed up thirty gallons of trash
Speaker 1: cider and got a crowd of strangers so drunk that
Speaker 1: one person vomited off the fourth story balcony of the
Speaker 1: Dallas Sheraton onto a restaurant full of people. My friends
Speaker 1: and I gleeefy heckled the patrons as they ran for cover.
Speaker 1: There were umbrellas on the tables, and I remember my
Speaker 1: friends shouting, those umbrellas won't save you. So let it
Speaker 1: never be said that Behind the Bastards is a show
Speaker 1: that judges people just for doing dumpshit when they were young.
Speaker 1: I was a shitty young person too. Okay, test your boundaries.
Speaker 1: It's fine. If Mark Zuckerberg had changed as a human
Speaker 1: being after this, I would not be judging him based
Speaker 1: on the fact that he wanted to make a Fox
Speaker 1: site when he was nineteen. That's really what is so
Speaker 1: disappointing is that like it comes from such a normal place,
Speaker 1: Like it's pretty normal. It's pretty like mond ain't. It's
Speaker 1: a pretty commonplace given the context of the time it's in,
Speaker 1: Like none of this was like shockingly misogynist kind of
Speaker 1: like we're not woke culture. It's not worse. He's not
Speaker 1: like they were, Like they're definitely kids in fucking Harvard
Speaker 1: and stuff. Who were you know, date raping people. Mark
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg wasn't doing that. I've never heard any accusations of
Speaker 1: anything like that. Like he was just a normal background
Speaker 1: noise level misogynist for the time, horny hacker. So let's
Speaker 1: get onto why he's really a bastard. I'm going to
Speaker 1: brush over most of the founding of Facebook and the
Speaker 1: sundry drunken parties that the accidental billionaires makes a big
Speaker 1: deal about. Are hotter, super hot abs like a goddamn
Speaker 1: cheese grater, both of them. Yeah, the short part of
Speaker 1: it is market Edwardo met a guy named Sean Parker,
Speaker 1: the Napster founder. Don't really no kind of looks like
Speaker 1: at that point right in the movie, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he's a good man to have play Sean Parker. They
Speaker 1: kind of he did great moment. What's that famous horrible
Speaker 1: line that he says, like about a million dollars. What
Speaker 1: about a million? You know what's better than a million dollars?
Speaker 1: A billion? And then he like fade out. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: just disappear. Now. At that point, Sean Parker did not
Speaker 1: have much money, but he was an experienced tech entrepreneur
Speaker 1: and had solid connections in the industry. It seems like
Speaker 1: he kind of helped convince Mark to move out to
Speaker 1: California with a couple other Harvard students to work on
Speaker 1: the Facebook during the summer. Over this time, it had
Speaker 1: spread from Harvard's campus to colleges across the nation. Mark
Speaker 1: and his first employees wind up letting Shawan Parker crash
Speaker 1: on their couch. The Facebook continued to grow, and Mark
Speaker 1: made the decision to drop out of school and stay
Speaker 1: in California, a choice I endorse for of Harvard students.
Speaker 1: The Facebook up securing a bunch of VC money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: get out, get out of that school. Same with Stanford,
Speaker 1: go to New York. I guess I don't I don't care.
Speaker 1: The Facebook wind up securing a bunch of VC money
Speaker 1: from Peter Teal under the requirement that it dropped the
Speaker 1: V and just go by Facebook because he was apparently
Speaker 1: Sean Parker suggestion, and damned if it wasn't a good one.
Speaker 1: No one said he was bad at branding, bad at
Speaker 1: having weddings because he had a thirty million dollar wedding
Speaker 1: that destroyed a forest. But yeah he had. He had
Speaker 1: a Lord of the Rings themed wedding and he didn't
Speaker 1: get permits and had to pay ten million dollars in fines.
Speaker 1: He like us bulldozers in places that you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to be nerd culture is, Yeah, you want to do
Speaker 1: your fucking Lord of the Rings winding up to destroy
Speaker 1: a forest for it? How you're someone to see? He
Speaker 1: was point, Yeah, well he wanted to be sorrow he
Speaker 1: saw he saw that as a Yeah, I didn't really
Speaker 1: get the message trying to a whole bunch of little sorrows.
Speaker 1: Fucking did Gero Tolkien would have been pisted him for
Speaker 1: having a bulldozer. Not a big fan of industrial construction equipment.
Speaker 1: You read the guy much um. Also an anarchist, but
Speaker 1: kind of a weird anarchist. But yeah, self declared, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a weird type of anarchists. A lot of
Speaker 1: stuff about the Catholic Church or whatever anywhere. Yeah, showed anarchy. No,
Speaker 1: I mean he was like, he is a good quote,
Speaker 1: which was like, I don't think people should be in
Speaker 1: charge of other people less than one in a million
Speaker 1: is capable of doing the job, which is I agree.
Speaker 1: I think I really agree with that. He lived through
Speaker 1: World War One. You don't want a fan of hierarchy. Now. Well,
Speaker 1: Mark and the Facebook's first few employees were living in
Speaker 1: Palo Alto if they were being bankrolled by Eduardo Saverin.
Speaker 1: He had put roughly twenty tho dollars into the company
Speaker 1: to get it off the ground. He was also working
Speaker 1: well in New York, trying to sell to advertisers and stuff,
Speaker 1: putting in his time and also the only person putting
Speaker 1: money on the line. So he's really believed in this project,
Speaker 1: really being a good friend, but his relationship with Mark
Speaker 1: got rocky. The accidental billionaires and the social network make
Speaker 1: it look like Sean Parker got his hooks into Mark
Speaker 1: and he and Zuckerberg started taking meetings with investors, bad
Speaker 1: friend influence, duck innocent, Yeah exactly. They were meeting without
Speaker 1: Eduardo's knowledge, and Eduardo reacted by cutting off Facebook's assets
Speaker 1: to his money because he thought he was getting edged
Speaker 1: out of the company, which is exactly what was happening. Um,
Speaker 1: but diabolical teen pretty gross. Now, that's what prompted them
Speaker 1: to make a deal with Peter Teel. Since Eduardo was
Speaker 1: contracted to own Facebook, they couldn't cut him out entirely.
Speaker 1: But it seems like their lawyers engaged in some complicated
Speaker 1: legal factory. We will be talking about that legal fury
Speaker 1: and the other people that Mark Zuckerberg sucked over who
Speaker 1: are not mentioned in the social network because he stole
Speaker 1: from somebody else too. But first, you know what doesn't
Speaker 1: steal from anyone The wonderful advertisers who supported our program
Speaker 1: and or show with their products indoor services, and we're
Speaker 1: also supported. Maggie, you beat me to that delightful, satisfying crunch.
Speaker 1: How's those blazes doing? Man? I am a convert? Does it?
Speaker 1: Does it up a cold winter day? I like it?
Speaker 1: It's like a heater for your insides. That's a free one.
Speaker 1: Torito's people don't use that products and we're back. That's
Speaker 1: that's ea. Actually what I always say after a solid
Speaker 1: product and or service. Now, uh, we were talking about
Speaker 1: what Mark Zuckerberg did to EDWARDO. Saverin the good friend
Speaker 1: who invested twenty dollars in his buddy's idea and also
Speaker 1: worked full time pretty much to try to make it
Speaker 1: a reality, which is great friending. You'd think that would
Speaker 1: build up some loyalty at Wardo sounds like a really
Speaker 1: good friend. Wardo sounds like a real one. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: talk about how he got over. He's not in the movie, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the guy who does not come across this edution
Speaker 1: the story. I don't know anything about him. Maybe he
Speaker 1: kills chickens or something, but maybe chickens need to be killing.
Speaker 1: He got in on bitcoin too. I think he's rich anyway,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter now. Mark pretended to make nice with Eduardo,
Speaker 1: and so Edwardo signed a contract that made it look
Speaker 1: like he was getting actually thirty four percent of the company.
Speaker 1: But this was just a bunch of complicated legal bullshit
Speaker 1: um and the company was allowed, based on the sort
Speaker 1: of terms of the contract, to actually dilute Edwardo shares
Speaker 1: to weigh less than more ten percent. Savern maintains he
Speaker 1: was cheated out of his fair steake of the company
Speaker 1: when Mark and Sean Parker edged Severn out. They also
Speaker 1: cut his name out of Facebook lore It's not all
Speaker 1: that different from the stuff you'll hear about in Stalinist Russian.
Speaker 1: He was basically deleted from the company history. Now. When
Speaker 1: the social network came out, Zuckerberg attacked it for being inaccurate.
Speaker 1: But in the years since, the emails he sent to
Speaker 1: his lawyer around this time have come out. At one
Speaker 1: point he asked, quote, is there any way to do
Speaker 1: this without making it painfully apparent that he's being deluded
Speaker 1: to ten percent talking about Eduardo, to which his lawyer responded,
Speaker 1: the broad categories of legal risk are a fiduciary duty
Speaker 1: as Eduardo was the only shareholder being deluded by the grants. Again,
Speaker 1: as Eduardo is the only shareholder being deluded by the
Speaker 1: grants issuances, there is a substantial risk that he may
Speaker 1: claim the issuances, especially the ones to Dustin and Mark
Speaker 1: but also to Sean, are a brist of fiduciary duty
Speaker 1: later on, if not now. According to Business Insider, this
Speaker 1: is exactly what happened. Quote Savern eventually sued Facebook over
Speaker 1: breach of fiduciary duty. Facebook and Savern settled, and he
Speaker 1: walked away with four five percent of the company. That
Speaker 1: Steak is now worth close to five billion. So again
Speaker 1: he's doing all right. You don't gotta feel that sorry
Speaker 1: for Red Wirdo, but what Mark does is slimy here
Speaker 1: now Well, the exact terms of the settlement are unclear.
Speaker 1: Facebook was also forced to reinstate Severeian's name in the
Speaker 1: company history. Mark also eventually settled with the Winkle bosses
Speaker 1: and their partner in the Harvard connection, a guy named Nearindra.
Speaker 1: They reportedly got sixty five million. Well, Facebook's legal team
Speaker 1: we're working on that case. They searched Mark's computer and
Speaker 1: came across the I M s he sent at the time.
Speaker 1: These I M s paint a very fun and very
Speaker 1: ugly picture of the man previously described as just robotic.
Speaker 1: Wait do we know what his green name was? I
Speaker 1: don't think in the type Oh maybe he got all right?
Speaker 1: So made just to Ben's up. Here is one exerpt
Speaker 1: from a conversation between Mark and a friend talking about
Speaker 1: his real plans to work on the Winklevosses social network.
Speaker 1: This is when he was still telling the Winklevosses he
Speaker 1: was working on it. Friend, So have you decided what
Speaker 1: you're going to do about the websites suck? Yeah? I'm
Speaker 1: going to fuck them, probably in the year but he
Speaker 1: then he then corrects, probably in the year two. Ear
Speaker 1: ear yeah, yeah, the ear fuck you freaking yeah. I
Speaker 1: can see why they won that suit or settle. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Information that's turned up in the years since has also
Speaker 1: shown that Eduardo's Savareen was not the only friend who
Speaker 1: invested in Mark's website and got sucked over. Paul Sieglia
Speaker 1: seems to have invested two thousand dollars into Facebook in
Speaker 1: exchange for some steak in the finished project. Now, at
Speaker 1: some point, Mark Zuckerberg clearly realized that his baby was
Speaker 1: going to be valuable. He started lying to Sieglia claiming
Speaker 1: that the project was basically dead in the water, so
Speaker 1: that he could pay the friend back his two thousand
Speaker 1: dollars and cut out his interest in the business. Here's
Speaker 1: one email he sent to Sieglia in two thousand four,
Speaker 1: while he was in California working to make Facebook. Paul,
Speaker 1: I'm guessing that you don't want to talk to me,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to say happy birthday and that I
Speaker 1: hope to resolve our differences. I see that what I
Speaker 1: did was wrong, and I'm really sorry that I behaved
Speaker 1: as I did. Please give me your address and I
Speaker 1: will mail you back the two thousand dollars for your
Speaker 1: trouble more if it were a pair of business relationship.
Speaker 1: Another summer is here and I still don't have any
Speaker 1: time to build our site. I understand that I promised
Speaker 1: I would, but other things have come up and I'm
Speaker 1: out in California working during break. I just don't want
Speaker 1: the obligation of having to answer you for not following through,
Speaker 1: and I won't be able to the first half of
Speaker 1: that email sounds like what my cousin texts everyone every
Speaker 1: time he gets out of jail. I don't think I
Speaker 1: can repair these relationships regretting my mistakes. Yeah, one month later,
Speaker 1: Hi again, regretting same mistakes. Cycles are a bit in
Speaker 1: some fairness. I never got over the mistakes that I
Speaker 1: made at nineteen, because, like six months ago, I was
Speaker 1: drunk in Santa Monica and I started stealing light bulbs
Speaker 1: from the outside of bars and throwing them at my
Speaker 1: friend's feet. Yourself away. I haven't grown up either, but
Speaker 1: I don't have billions of lives in the balance either.
Speaker 1: I am purchasing the Zuckerberg shut and just why don't
Speaker 1: you read the front of that Zuckerberg shirt. Good Zuckerberg shirt.
Speaker 1: It's a picture of Zucky programming as a Harvard student.
Speaker 1: He's got a water bottle of wine glass and a
Speaker 1: red bull and the quote below reads quote you can
Speaker 1: be unethical and still be illegal. That's the way I
Speaker 1: live my life. Ha ha ha oh beautiful. It gets uglier.
Speaker 1: See the problem with being a tech obsessed young person
Speaker 1: who focks over countless people to start your business is
Speaker 1: that a lot of the conversations that prove you to
Speaker 1: be a gross weirdo are going to come out. Here's
Speaker 1: one Mark had with a friend after he launched Facebook
Speaker 1: in his dorm room and eight percent of his classmates
Speaker 1: were using the service. Zuck. Yeah, So if you ever
Speaker 1: need any info about anyone at Harvard, just ask I
Speaker 1: have over four thousand emails, pictures, addresses, sns, redacted friend's name.
Speaker 1: What how did you manage that one? Zuck? People just
Speaker 1: submitted it. I don't know why they quotation Marks trust
Speaker 1: me ha ha dumb Fox? That really they Yeah. There's
Speaker 1: a scene in the Social network where is Zuckerberg meets
Speaker 1: um two fans and they make like idiots of themselves.
Speaker 1: They like fall over each other and the point of
Speaker 1: that scene is, aren't the people who look up to
Speaker 1: you stupid and dumb? And that's what I think. Fincher
Speaker 1: is very effective at communicating with his films and uh
Speaker 1: still lionizing the main character as like, yeah, his customers
Speaker 1: are idiots, and let's make fun of them. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: farm animals. They are the farm animals, say they do
Speaker 1: the same thing advice, which bother anyway, as I have
Speaker 1: very strong opinions about advice. It made me mad. It
Speaker 1: made me mad, but I thought it did a good
Speaker 1: job of talking about how excribble of a human he is.
Speaker 1: Why would anyone make Dick Cheney look remotely cool right now?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe it's because I've been there and
Speaker 1: I've seen the consequences of it. I didn't think he
Speaker 1: looked cool, but I thought everyday consumer he could seem cool.
Speaker 1: That's the that's the fun. You know a lot about
Speaker 1: chain whereas yeah, you know that that's a good worry
Speaker 1: to have. It's like, um, I was reading an interview
Speaker 1: with the guy who created The Punisher talking about like
Speaker 1: who was being told that, like police officers are putting
Speaker 1: it on his car and he's furious He's like, no,
Speaker 1: he's not a pro cop character. He's making the point
Speaker 1: that our justice system is so fun that a lunatic
Speaker 1: with a gun is murdering strangers at the street. That's
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