Speaker 1: Hello, dear Internet friends. I'm Robert Evans, and this is
Speaker 1: again Behind the Bastards, the show where we tell you
Speaker 1: everything you don't know about the very worst people in
Speaker 1: all of history. And this is part two of our
Speaker 1: two part our episode on a Harvey Weinstein. In part one,
Speaker 1: we started outlining all of the different people who had
Speaker 1: to essentially compromise their morality, do artwright terrible things or
Speaker 1: questionable things in order to allow Harvey to prey on
Speaker 1: women and get away with it for decades. Uh. And
Speaker 1: in this episode, we're doing more of that, starting with
Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein's spy army. But before we get into that,
Speaker 1: I would like to introduce my guest for this episode. Uh,
Speaker 1: same guest we had last time, Anna hosnia Ho, host
Speaker 1: of the Ethnically Ambiguous podcast and other things. Thank you
Speaker 1: for having me. Yeah, alright, we're getting back into Harvey
Speaker 1: weinstein spy army. Uh. So, Harvey Weinstein's net worth, at
Speaker 1: least before all this came crashing down on him, was
Speaker 1: generally reported as being in the two D three hundred
Speaker 1: million dollar reign. Uh this meant really because could you imagine?
Speaker 1: So this this means he has enough disposable income to
Speaker 1: not just buy off people, but pay for these services
Speaker 1: of companies. Uh. Two days ago we talked about a
Speaker 1: company called Kroll. Um. When however, you would settle with people,
Speaker 1: he would have the security company go through their phones
Speaker 1: and electronic devices. Right in fun fact, it's Nick Kroll's
Speaker 1: family comedian. Really yeah, same family. Really, that's his grandfather's company.
Speaker 1: Well that's unsettling. Really. Two days ago, when I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a familiar name, you didn't catch what I meant.
Speaker 1: I'm just crazy. No, No, I didn't catch with him
Speaker 1: as at all. And I didn't even think about like
Speaker 1: I figured it was like Kroll was some sort of
Speaker 1: weird acronym for something, because it was like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: so Weinstein hired Kroll security services to do things like
Speaker 1: when he would settle with a woman, they would go
Speaker 1: through all of that lady stuff vices to make sure
Speaker 1: she hadn't recorded Weinstein saying anything, didn't have any pictures
Speaker 1: of him. It was part of how he sort of
Speaker 1: cleaned up after himself. Um. And in two thousand sixteen,
Speaker 1: Dan Carson, chairman of Kroll's Investigations and Disputes Division, sent
Speaker 1: Harvey eleven photos of Rose McGowan and he together at
Speaker 1: events over the years since the alleged assault. Um. These
Speaker 1: were photographs of them having conversations, smiling. Kroll's whole goal
Speaker 1: there was to find as many pictures as they could
Speaker 1: of Rose McGowan talking to Harvey Weinstein and looking comfortable
Speaker 1: to use against her, to use against her. Look at them,
Speaker 1: What a great relationship they love each other. If she
Speaker 1: had a problem with him, why is she smiling in
Speaker 1: this picture with him stuck in a system that's oppressing
Speaker 1: her from start to the end. You know, no big deal. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: as soon as he got the photos from Kroll, Harvey
Speaker 1: sent them over to his defense attorney, who called one
Speaker 1: picture of Rose and Harvey having a friendly chat quote
Speaker 1: the money shot, which is disturbing. Yeah, it's like a
Speaker 1: omelet of grossness. Um. When Weinstein was meeting with the
Speaker 1: reporter from New York magazine, Krol sent him a summary
Speaker 1: of criticisms of the reporter's past work, as well as
Speaker 1: a profile on the reporter's ex wife, noting it quote
Speaker 1: might prove relevant to considerations of our response strategy when
Speaker 1: Wallace's article and our client is finally published. So Basically
Speaker 1: he get to use Kroll is sort of like an
Speaker 1: external brain almost like he's like, this woman is going
Speaker 1: to come out. I need someone to go through publicly
Speaker 1: available images and find everything you can that makes her
Speaker 1: look like my friend or whatever. That's what this company
Speaker 1: would do for him. It's Skivie. But nothing he's using
Speaker 1: Kroll for is super nefarious. It's just more like a
Speaker 1: story manipulator. Yeah, I need someone to Google for a
Speaker 1: long time and so that I can then use the
Speaker 1: information they bring up. So that's that's what Kroll is doing.
Speaker 1: So I guess in Nick Kroll's family's defense, nothing that
Speaker 1: I've read about them doing is nightmarish. Yet that changes
Speaker 1: when we get to a little company Weinstein also hired
Speaker 1: called Black Cube Legends. Yeah. So, Black Cube's website describes
Speaker 1: the company as quote a select group of veterans from
Speaker 1: the Israeli elite intelligence units that specializes in tailored solutions
Speaker 1: to complex business and litigation challenges. Yeah. Um, so I
Speaker 1: spent some time on their website. I figured that Black
Speaker 1: Cubes work for Weinstein would fall under the litigation challenges
Speaker 1: category because it seems like a challenging case with like
Speaker 1: eighty five women accusing him. Now, Uh so, I'm mosied
Speaker 1: over to the litigation support section of their website and
Speaker 1: I read it. Now, I'm gonna read it to you.
Speaker 1: Understanding your opponent is a key element when building a
Speaker 1: strategy for a complex situation. Black Cube supports litigation processes
Speaker 1: by identifying your opponents vulnerabilities, interests, priorities, and strategy using
Speaker 1: our unique intelligence methodology. Black Cube enhances its clients decision
Speaker 1: making by providing otherwise unobtainable information. We help our clients
Speaker 1: identify their adversaries sensitive points or vulnerabilities or evidence of
Speaker 1: their misconduct. Sounds like a show that Shonda Rhimes would make. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I was that too much of a deep cut? That was?
Speaker 1: That was a deeper cut than I was comfortable. Murd
Speaker 1: political operatives who are trying to find ways to use
Speaker 1: something against you, Well, that's exactly what they're doing. That's
Speaker 1: exactly how they frame it. Is like, we're helping our
Speaker 1: clients the adversaries and like yet when the reality is
Speaker 1: that they were helping a multiple rapist attack women. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's not Sully the good name of fixers. I've
Speaker 1: known a lot of great fixers in my time, but
Speaker 1: a lot of fixers do tend to get their hands dirty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and these people get their hands very dirty. In mayen,
Speaker 1: Rose McGowan got an email from Diana Philip, a high
Speaker 1: ranking executive at Reuben Capital Partners. Philip explained that she
Speaker 1: was funding a program to fight workplace discrimination and wanted
Speaker 1: to know if Rose would speak at the program's kickoff event.
Speaker 1: She offered to pay sixty dollars, which I talked to
Speaker 1: anybody for sixty grand um. The two women met three
Speaker 1: times over the next two months to talk about women's
Speaker 1: empowerment and other issues. Rose found her very kind, and
Speaker 1: eventually Diana Philip offered to invest in Rose McGowan's production company.
Speaker 1: During one of their talks, McGowan mentioned that she was
Speaker 1: talking to run In Pharaoh about Weinstein. A week later,
Speaker 1: Philip emailed Pharaoh and asked him to meet with her.
Speaker 1: Pharaoh ever responded, because he's a smart guy. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: smells smells weird. When The New Yorker published his first
Speaker 1: big Weinstein story three months later, Diana Philip email Rose mcgallan, high, love,
Speaker 1: how are you feeling? Just wanted to tell you how
Speaker 1: brave I think you are. As you might have guessed
Speaker 1: Diana Philip isn't a real person. It's an alias made
Speaker 1: up by a former Israeli intelligence officer working for Black Cube.
Speaker 1: Philip and her entire company and its online footprint were
Speaker 1: all inventions of Black Cube. Uh In. A story just
Speaker 1: came out like the day we recorded this podcast. I
Speaker 1: think NBC put it out where Black Cube was also
Speaker 1: fishing around the wives of several Obama administration employees to
Speaker 1: try and find compromising information it could use to make
Speaker 1: the Iran deal look bad. And the capital company that
Speaker 1: they pretended to be from was the same capital company.
Speaker 1: They just have this one fake company that they always
Speaker 1: pretend to work with, even for the stories have been
Speaker 1: out for a while. And the thing is they email
Speaker 1: pretending to be someone else trying to help you to
Speaker 1: get into your life. Yeah, usually pretend to be someone
Speaker 1: with money so that they can be like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at investing, or I can help you set up
Speaker 1: this or that. Literally never responding to an email again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: never never let anyone give you money. They are I
Speaker 1: won't even take pay for work. Um. So, one of
Speaker 1: the men who helped Weinstein coordinate his espionage efforts and
Speaker 1: really handled like the direct interface and with Black Cube
Speaker 1: was an attorney named David boys Um. He has an
Speaker 1: otherwise laudable career. He defended al Gore in the two
Speaker 1: thousand election dispute, and he argued for marriage equality with
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. So like seems like a great guy.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Yeah, seems like he's on the right back.
Speaker 1: That's actually terrifying. Yeah. That that you can be on
Speaker 1: the right side of history arguing in favor of gay
Speaker 1: marriage to the Supreme Court and then on the other side,
Speaker 1: help manage Harvey Weinstein, inspire me jesus, trust no one man, Well,
Speaker 1: just don't trust lawyers, for fucking sure. Um. So, in
Speaker 1: two seventeen, while he was working for Weinstein, David Boye
Speaker 1: signed a contract with Black Cube that defined their primary
Speaker 1: objectives as to quote, provide intelligence which will help the
Speaker 1: client's efforts to completely stop the publication of a new
Speaker 1: negative article in a leading New York newspaper. Now at
Speaker 1: this point I should note that this leading New York
Speaker 1: newspaper was The New York Times. Um. Yeah, so that
Speaker 1: first article was Megan Tawhey and Joey Canter Um. Apologies
Speaker 1: if I'm mispronouncing that, but this is the article that
Speaker 1: Boys in Black Cube were trying to stop. Now there
Speaker 1: it seems like there might be a conflict of interest
Speaker 1: there because David Boys and his firm, we're working for
Speaker 1: the New York Times as well defending them in a
Speaker 1: libel case at the same time. So obviously when Ronan
Speaker 1: Row got into his reporting, he interviewed Boys and he
Speaker 1: was like, this seems like a giant fucking conflict. Boys
Speaker 1: actually would speak to him, Yeah, Boys did speak to
Speaker 1: him as representative for Weinstein. No, No, just talking to
Speaker 1: him like as him because because Pharaoh had specific questions
Speaker 1: about Boys's work with Weinstein. Um, and I think he
Speaker 1: just decided like it was better to talk than to
Speaker 1: than to not for whatever reason. Um. But when he
Speaker 1: was he was a question if this was a conflict
Speaker 1: of interest, um, because he was working for the New
Speaker 1: York Times. He basically said that it wasn't a conflict
Speaker 1: of interest because of Black Cube had found information that
Speaker 1: showed the that Weinstein's accusers were lying, then that would
Speaker 1: be in the Times's best interest convenient Yeah, exactly. He's
Speaker 1: he's a gigantic weasel. Um. Which is kind of a
Speaker 1: bummer from a guy who otherwise sounded like a crusading
Speaker 1: hero lawyer. And he's not the only progressive gold star
Speaker 1: to get tarnished by the living poop cloud that is
Speaker 1: Hardy Weinstein. You've heard of Lisa Bloom, Yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah yeah. She's an American civil Right It's attorney.
Speaker 1: She represented the women whose sexual assault allegations got Bill
Speaker 1: O'Reilly fired two sixteen. She represented several women who claimed
Speaker 1: Donald Trump had sexually assaulted them. Uh. You remember the
Speaker 1: anonymous woman who said that then candidate Trump had raped
Speaker 1: her when she was thirteen. She was supposed to reveal
Speaker 1: herself at a press conference, but backed away at the
Speaker 1: last moment under threats. Lisa Bloom was her attorney as well.
Speaker 1: She was also Black China's attorney. She was Black Giants attorney. Yes,
Speaker 1: um so Lisa Bloom another person with a great reputation,
Speaker 1: particularly when it comes to defending women who have been
Speaker 1: abused by powerful men. Uh. And in fall of two
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen, Lisa Bloom took a job with Harvey Weinstein. Uh,
Speaker 1: it sounded like the board was worried about the mountain
Speaker 1: of complaints and accusations. The story hadn't entirely broken yet.
Speaker 1: But you know, Rose McGowan, I think was still was
Speaker 1: open at this point, and it was they were basically
Speaker 1: trying to have her counsel him into being a better
Speaker 1: person so that it would improve his personal pr and
Speaker 1: maybe help them get out ahead of any future stories
Speaker 1: that came out. I hate that kind of stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gross. So she's at down with Weinstein to decide
Speaker 1: she wanted to take this job, and she says that
Speaker 1: he admitted that he had quote verbally made a lot
Speaker 1: of inappropriate remarks to women, both inside the workplace and
Speaker 1: outside the workplace end quote. But she's claiming she did
Speaker 1: not know anything about the abuse. Yes, that's why she
Speaker 1: took the gig. She's claiming she thought that he was
Speaker 1: admitting to being a gross guy who's actually her asked
Speaker 1: women but not assaulted and raped them. Um, and so
Speaker 1: she thought it was an opportunity to to teach him
Speaker 1: and make him a better person. She lectured to him
Speaker 1: that the hitting on these women wasn't okay because of
Speaker 1: the power and balance. Uh. And I'm going to I'm
Speaker 1: gonna quote from the n l A Times article here,
Speaker 1: which is quoting Lisa Bloom. He would repeat back to
Speaker 1: me the power imbalance, Lisa, I get it, I see it.
Speaker 1: He choked up. I don't know what's wrong with me.
Speaker 1: I'm sick, I'm stupid. I've hurt people. What can I
Speaker 1: do now? And I said, you need to apologize. You
Speaker 1: can't turn back time, but you can do the right
Speaker 1: thing now. Don't go after the women and get help
Speaker 1: and stop it. He said, will you work with me
Speaker 1: to do that? And I said yes, I will. So God,
Speaker 1: that sounds so pr like it's super gross, wrote that
Speaker 1: Lisa Bloom. Uh. Yeah, So when the New York Times
Speaker 1: article dropped, Lisa Bloom showed up on Good Morning America
Speaker 1: to call Weinstein's behavior gross, but also to say that
Speaker 1: he was genuinely remorseful. Um. She said he was an
Speaker 1: old dinosaur struggling to adapt to new ways, basically, and
Speaker 1: that was the initial Weinstein line, as I did bad things,
Speaker 1: but like, it's not like he's that old, you know, No,
Speaker 1: he's not. He's not. Also pretty sure Steven Spielberg's is older.
Speaker 1: He's got a lot of power. I don't think he
Speaker 1: raped dozens of people. Yeah, I mean, he may have
Speaker 1: been creepy, but he certainly didn't do this. That's I
Speaker 1: hate that whole He's too old. He doesn't understand. It's like, sure,
Speaker 1: you could say that for Twitter, but you can't see
Speaker 1: that for harassing and sexually assaulting women. I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: even back in the day it wasn't okay to sexually
Speaker 1: assault a woman. You could say that if he was
Speaker 1: calling women doll in the office and needed a talking to.
Speaker 1: You can't say that when he grabs Rosemagowan and forces. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So shoving someone's head on your dick is not the
Speaker 1: old You can't use the old man excuse anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's not Yeah, it just doesn't fly anymore. Um
Speaker 1: So yeah, So Lisa Bloom's role in the Weinstein machine
Speaker 1: um was basically assuring the world that Harvey was very
Speaker 1: sorry about being a bad boy and totally committed to
Speaker 1: doing better. Uh. Some people attacked her for this seeming
Speaker 1: betrayal of all the victims she's represented, and an interview
Speaker 1: with The l A Times, Lisa explained that those women
Speaker 1: were why she decided to work with Harvey. Quote, every day,
Speaker 1: there's a woman in my office crying, Why won't he
Speaker 1: just admit it? Why does this have to be an
Speaker 1: open wound for my entire life. I don't want to
Speaker 1: litigate Lisa. Almost every single one comes to me and says,
Speaker 1: if he would just apologize, then we could move on,
Speaker 1: in quote which I feel like it's kind of bullshit.
Speaker 1: If he again, if he had been really rude to
Speaker 1: a lot of women, that would make sense. But he
Speaker 1: committed crimes. The ants her to a man who rapes
Speaker 1: dozens of women probably is not make him apologize, it's
Speaker 1: make him go to jail pay for his crimes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and again she says she didn't know about the rape
Speaker 1: or the assault. Um, maybe that's true. Uh, maybe they
Speaker 1: offered her a lot of money. Maybe I'm certain they
Speaker 1: offered her a lot of money. Based on my understanding
Speaker 1: of her, she seemed like she was she she knew
Speaker 1: what she was doing. And then this happens, and it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't understand It's it's either a lot of money.
Speaker 1: Some of it may have been. You know, Harvey was
Speaker 1: a big progressive donor, you know, big donor to thee
Speaker 1: we get into the Clintons a little bit, big donor
Speaker 1: to a lot of good causes. Uh, and maybe she
Speaker 1: thought he deserved a second chance or something. It felt
Speaker 1: like she would know better that this kind of person
Speaker 1: is not someone you can just make apologize and all
Speaker 1: these women who have been harmed by him can just
Speaker 1: snap back like, well he said sorry, So now all
Speaker 1: my PTSD from being sexually assaulted. We'll just walk right
Speaker 1: out the door, and I'm fine, let's go get some coffee.
Speaker 1: Like it's so much more than that. They're so much
Speaker 1: more many. I'm about to lose my mind. Well, and
Speaker 1: that quote from the l A Times from her makes
Speaker 1: me think that she's full of ship because the way
Speaker 1: she outlines that conversation with him sounds like a scene
Speaker 1: in a movie with the music swells and I just
Speaker 1: want to try to Yeah, and then it's like Pygmalion,
Speaker 1: but with sexism. Um, Harvey, you gotta try give me
Speaker 1: a break. Yeah. Um So. Lisa bloom Uh insists that
Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein dictated the entire apology that he sent out
Speaker 1: after the New York Times article was released. It's my
Speaker 1: personal conspiracy theory based on the things I've read about her,
Speaker 1: that bloom either outline wrote his apology or heavily influenced
Speaker 1: it with direct advice on what to say. I'm going
Speaker 1: to read the apology and let me not believe you. Yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: Well then I'll go into a couple of lines from
Speaker 1: the apology that makes me. First, it starts with them saying,
Speaker 1: I came of age in the sixties and seventies when
Speaker 1: all the rules of behavior in workplaces where different. That
Speaker 1: was the culture. Then obviously one of her first things
Speaker 1: was saying, he's a dinosaur is from a different era. Uh.
Speaker 1: He apologizes uh in the apology to all anyone he
Speaker 1: may have hurt, which is at the time it came out,
Speaker 1: at the start of this me too thing, that was
Speaker 1: not the standard for a man who had been accused
Speaker 1: of this. It was like denied, denied, andy um, which
Speaker 1: again makes me think that that this is because she
Speaker 1: was big on no, you've got to apologize, you don't deny,
Speaker 1: you hit it on, which is again good advice if
Speaker 1: you're not a rapist, if you're just a guy who
Speaker 1: fucked up um. But then Harvey says, over the last year,
Speaker 1: I've asked Lisa Bloom to tutor me, and she's put
Speaker 1: together a team of people I brought on therapists, and
Speaker 1: I plan to take a leave of absence from my
Speaker 1: company to deal with this issue head on, and then
Speaker 1: he misquotes jay Z lyrics YadA YadA, YadA, and he
Speaker 1: ends by saying that he's going to give the n
Speaker 1: r A his full attention. So he goes through his
Speaker 1: whole apology where he's saying, like, I've been trying to
Speaker 1: do this for ten years. This is a wake up call.
Speaker 1: I can't be more remorseful about the people I've hurt,
Speaker 1: and I plan to do right by all of them.
Speaker 1: And then he says, I'm going to need a place
Speaker 1: to channel that anger. So I've decided that I'm going
Speaker 1: to give the n r A my full attention. I
Speaker 1: hope Wayne Lappy will enjoy his retirement party. I'm going
Speaker 1: to do it at the same place I had my
Speaker 1: bar Mitzvah. I'm making a movie about our president. Perhaps
Speaker 1: we can make it a joint retirement party. One year ago,
Speaker 1: I began organizing a five million dollar foundation to give
Speaker 1: scholarships to women directors at USC. Well, this might seem coincidental.
Speaker 1: It has been in the works for a year. It
Speaker 1: will be named after my mom, and I won't disappoint her. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: it's it's like the sleaziest fucking thing in the world west, Um,
Speaker 1: and I feel like her hands are all over that. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like rarely are people like that
Speaker 1: are allowed to actually put their own thoughts because they
Speaker 1: can be such wild cards. Yeah, and and why would
Speaker 1: you want to if you've just hired this woman whose
Speaker 1: whole job is number one, she's got street cred as
Speaker 1: someone who's represented a lot of women in these cases. Like,
Speaker 1: I feel like it was either the money or the
Speaker 1: prestige of getting to reform someone like Weinstein, that that
Speaker 1: that got her in. But she definitely compromised. Her mother's
Speaker 1: a famous uh rights her most glory already. Yes, it
Speaker 1: wasn't her mom kind of like, yeah, her mom was
Speaker 1: so thing along the lines of, if I have to
Speaker 1: go into court against Weinstein and fight my daughter in court,
Speaker 1: I'll be willing to do it something like that. Before
Speaker 1: you spoke up, I said the word compromised about Lisa Bloom,
Speaker 1: and I was going to use that as a lead
Speaker 1: into our ads by saying you won't have to compromise
Speaker 1: with these products and or services which were now advertising.
Speaker 1: So that's what I did. We're back and we're talking
Speaker 1: about Lisa Bloom and Harvey Weinstein. Uh, Like, I don't
Speaker 1: wanna say that if if the women Lisa Boom was
Speaker 1: talking to, we're saying all they wanted was an apology
Speaker 1: in their specific cases. I'm not saying that they're wrong
Speaker 1: or anything. But at the point at which she was
Speaker 1: saying this, there were people who were out and vocal
Speaker 1: about the stuff that Harvey had done, um, including Rose mcgawan,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure, and those people were not happy with
Speaker 1: just an apology. So I don't know, it seems a
Speaker 1: little messed up to me. Maybe she just really thought
Speaker 1: he was just a sexual harasser. I don't know. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's probably worth noting that, Uh. I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: couple of things that are worth noting here when we
Speaker 1: talk about her culpability. First of all, is that she
Speaker 1: left Weinstein's employ like immediately after everything broke, like like
Speaker 1: a couple of days after. I think she was on
Speaker 1: Good Morning America. I think forty eight hours after the
Speaker 1: article dropped. She was out. Um, she distanced herself from
Speaker 1: Weinstein once the rape allegations, you know, way in over
Speaker 1: her head. Yeah, Like wait a second, Yeah, she said,
Speaker 1: I was never aware there were allegations of sexual assault.
Speaker 1: Should I have, based on my log experience as a
Speaker 1: sexual harassment lawyer, assumed that it could have been a
Speaker 1: lot worse than what I knew. Yes, I should have
Speaker 1: assumed that that's on me. Um, So she acknowledged a
Speaker 1: funk up. Mose McGowan did claim that before she was fired,
Speaker 1: Lisa Bloom offered her money if she quote got on
Speaker 1: the Harvey's changed bandwagon. Lisa has denied this. Another Lisa
Speaker 1: Bloom client was Roy Rice, Amazon studio chief, and also
Speaker 1: the recipient of his own sexual harassment allegations. Kim Masters,
Speaker 1: the journalist who broke the price story, claims Lisa quote
Speaker 1: spread rumors about her in order to kill a story.
Speaker 1: Lisa has also denied this. For her part, Lisa Bloom
Speaker 1: has admitted that representing Harvey was a huge mistake. She
Speaker 1: hasn't said whether or not the fact that the Weinstein
Speaker 1: Company was looking at turning her book about Trayvon Martin
Speaker 1: into a TV show had anything to do with her
Speaker 1: support for Harvey. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. That's
Speaker 1: what's power and money is so it will make people
Speaker 1: just lose their ability to just see right from wrong,
Speaker 1: and and that that's really like the core of this
Speaker 1: story because he was one of the very few people
Speaker 1: in the world who could make anything a movie or
Speaker 1: a TV show. If because if he really, if he
Speaker 1: did snap his fingers and say, your books a TV
Speaker 1: it's a TV show. He's got that kind of cache
Speaker 1: he made. Fucking yeah. So I hope their Thanksgiving with
Speaker 1: her mother was so awkward and just filled with silent
Speaker 1: looks of disapproval towards her. And I hope that her
Speaker 1: book about Trayvon Martin, well, I don't know, like it's
Speaker 1: like I want to say, I hope it didn't do well,
Speaker 1: but it's an important story. That's crazy. Is she another
Speaker 1: one of those people who publicly champions women and women's
Speaker 1: rights and all this stuff and then is privately like
Speaker 1: just here for showing her reputation as a certain I
Speaker 1: were dying? Is she making the calculation? The world's an
Speaker 1: ugly place. You know, you gotta win when you can,
Speaker 1: and everything is not going to be a victory. Uh.
Speaker 1: This guy is a creep, But the Trayvon Martin story
Speaker 1: is important, and if I work with him, I can
Speaker 1: get my book made into a TV show and we'll
Speaker 1: do more net good than the harm that I'll do
Speaker 1: by helping this creep look like he's reformed. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I struggle with that so much because, yeah,
Speaker 1: that story is important, but championing like this white male
Speaker 1: who is has allegations against him that are just so
Speaker 1: dark and fucked up. Again, this is me seeing it
Speaker 1: through my own bias, But it's just too much like
Speaker 1: I will never be able to understand people who could
Speaker 1: do that. I mean, you know, give me five years,
Speaker 1: maybe I make a certain amount of money and next
Speaker 1: thing you know, I'm supporting Harvey Weinstein, who knows it's
Speaker 1: a mess. The amounts five million dollars. Everyone who's worth
Speaker 1: five million or more is a fan of his. Okay,
Speaker 1: to me in a few years and see if I
Speaker 1: have the money. Uh so, yeah, I'm comfortable throwing some
Speaker 1: judgment Lisa Bloom's way. Um, and while we're talking about
Speaker 1: famous people that we want to judge, it's time to
Speaker 1: move on to my favorite candidate for a bastard of
Speaker 1: this podcast, Ben Affleck. Now, in case you didn't know,
Speaker 1: have you heard of Ben Affleck? This guy? Have I? Ah?
Speaker 1: He is a man with a terrible back tattoo who
Speaker 1: became rich and famous thanks to a movie called good
Speaker 1: Will Hunting and now he is Batman. Good Will Hunting
Speaker 1: was produced by Harvey Weinstein. I think Clerks as well.
Speaker 1: He was in there, right yeah, Um, anyway, no, no,
Speaker 1: he was just he's just a friend of Kevin Smith. Right,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't in that. No, he was in They
Speaker 1: did like Dogma or something together, Dogma, that's what it was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's definitely in Dogma, right, Yeah, he isn't, and
Speaker 1: so is Damon anyway. Uh so, Ben Affleck. Five days
Speaker 1: after the New York Times article dropped, Affleck released a
Speaker 1: statement that he was angry over the allegations about Weinstein
Speaker 1: and said quote, I find myself asking what I can
Speaker 1: do to make sure this doesn't happen to others. He
Speaker 1: took a lot of flak for being late to the
Speaker 1: apology table because most of the people who had worked
Speaker 1: closely with Weinstein had said something much faster. Um. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure how to fairy think that that accusation is.
Speaker 1: But Rose McGowan was very angry at him. She tweeted
Speaker 1: this response after he sent out his statement at Ben Affleck,
Speaker 1: God damn it. I told him to stop doing that.
Speaker 1: You said that to my face the press conference I
Speaker 1: was made to go to after the assault. You lie.
Speaker 1: So for a little bit of backstory, her claim is
Speaker 1: that Weinstein raped her in a I think it was
Speaker 1: a jacuzzi. Uh, And immediately afterwards she had to go
Speaker 1: do like a press junket thing, and Ben Affleck saw
Speaker 1: her like shaking and traumatized like you'd be after a rape.
Speaker 1: And I I was like, what's going on? And she told
Speaker 1: him what had happened, and then he said, God damn it.
Speaker 1: I told him to stop doing that, which is what
Speaker 1: eating too much makes something so basic. That's a weird reaction,
Speaker 1: but gosh, darn, I think it's been. Affleck was like, oh, traumatized.
Speaker 1: I know I have to be angry, so all feint anger.
Speaker 1: I'm Ben Affleck, human robots. Why don't you call the
Speaker 1: police instead of just telling him call the someone just
Speaker 1: reported a rape to you, Harvey, Please Harvey, not again. Um. So,
Speaker 1: Weinstein's defense team jumped on this as an excuse to
Speaker 1: discredit Rose McGowan. Uh. They published an email from Affleck
Speaker 1: to Weinstein in early two and sixteen, before the accusations broke,
Speaker 1: say I have no idea of anything wrong you do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what it says. It's titled Rose McGowan, and
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck says she never told me, nor did I
Speaker 1: ever infer that she was attacked by anyone. Any accounts
Speaker 1: to the contrary are false. I have no knowledge about
Speaker 1: anything Rose did or claimed to have done. Accounts otherwiser lies.
Speaker 1: This is what he said to Weinstein in a private
Speaker 1: email that then Weinstein had released in order to try
Speaker 1: to how I send private emails to just in case
Speaker 1: someone needs to release it in the future. Uh So,
Speaker 1: Affleck publicly says he supports and believes Rose McGowan. He's
Speaker 1: against Weinstein on this. I don't think he's addressed that
Speaker 1: email directly, but what this says to me is that
Speaker 1: Affleck is like, it's just a gutless people pleaser um.
Speaker 1: He sees her traumatized, and so he does what he
Speaker 1: thinks she'll appreciate. In the moment, Harvey asks him if
Speaker 1: she said anything, and he denies it. Now that the
Speaker 1: issues public, he's gonna take Rose aside because he knows
Speaker 1: which way is the wind's blowing. But he's basically a
Speaker 1: coward um. Like that's that's Ben Affleck in a nutshell.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling. Um yeah, and I think it's starting to
Speaker 1: weare on him because now he just looks crazy in
Speaker 1: any photo, like he's been rinking and he always looks
Speaker 1: like he just stopped crying. And the back tat you've
Speaker 1: seen the backdown. It's falcon. It is an abomination. It's
Speaker 1: it's garbage, is what it is. It looks like it
Speaker 1: looks like the eagle on the Mexican flag had a
Speaker 1: baby with like a bad watercolor painting of Snoopy and
Speaker 1: or a phoenix. It's it's just bad, it's stupid. I'm
Speaker 1: bad at describing tattoos as well, which is my other podcast,
Speaker 1: Robert Evans describes tattoos poorly. Um, but we'll have a
Speaker 1: picture of his terrible back tattoo. Um oh yeah. And
Speaker 1: since the whole meto Dan Broke, Ben Affleck has been
Speaker 1: accused of groping and harassment by several women. There's a
Speaker 1: box article we'll throw up on the side that gives
Speaker 1: a good breakdown number of bits on video you can
Speaker 1: actually like see the Hillary. It's amazing. What a fucking
Speaker 1: creepy is Um. He's apologized for that, and he seems
Speaker 1: to be hoping his side of things blows over. Uh yeah, yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know. This is the point, Like, again, we're
Speaker 1: already very late into this. We've talked about a lot
Speaker 1: of people. I've done a lot of research. I don't
Speaker 1: really know where to stop when it comes to bring
Speaker 1: it people who might have been complicit. They're like the
Speaker 1: clear cases, the honey pots, the lawyers, the spies, the
Speaker 1: journalists that he had working with him. I have one
Speaker 1: question for you. Yeah, do you think because Meryl Streep
Speaker 1: came out and said I had no idea, do you
Speaker 1: think she had any sense of it? She's the one
Speaker 1: I never could figure out. I could see it being
Speaker 1: possible because she was has been such a huge star
Speaker 1: the entire time Mabbie Weinstein has been worth talking about.
Speaker 1: Um that maybe she was protected. Maybe Number one, he
Speaker 1: was like because he usually went with people to start
Speaker 1: of their career or kind of early on, that he
Speaker 1: that he had some because nobody's got leverage over Meryl Streep.
Speaker 1: So I could definitely see he never was creepy to her,
Speaker 1: because that would have been suicide. That's the thing. I
Speaker 1: feel like she was out of powerful enough bubble that
Speaker 1: they were almost protecting her from such knowledge. And I
Speaker 1: think that's possible because it also I doubt anyone would
Speaker 1: have needed to warn her about him because she's sucking
Speaker 1: Meryl Streep. She's not going to wind up in that situation. Um,
Speaker 1: she's just too famous and rich. That said, UM, it
Speaker 1: does seem like almost everybody who was famous and in
Speaker 1: movies pretty much knew what Harvey Weinstein was, and I'd
Speaker 1: be kind of surprised if she'd never heard anything. Was
Speaker 1: she ever involved in any of the movies he produced?
Speaker 1: I mean, Mirror Max made a shipload of stuff, So
Speaker 1: I'm sure at some point they had crossed the paths
Speaker 1: because yeah, she's in a lot of stuff. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know, like that's Mama Mia, But that just feels
Speaker 1: like like a mirror Max Weinstein situation. I didn't find
Speaker 1: any clear evidence of her being, you know, a complicit
Speaker 1: in any of this. I didn't find any clear evidence
Speaker 1: of his wife being complicit Georgina, and she said that
Speaker 1: she didn't even know he was cheating on her. And
Speaker 1: it's not impossible like they spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: up art. Harvey was always in hotels, and it's always
Speaker 1: in hotels and stuff. And in private apartments that he
Speaker 1: had his assistants keep for him, Like he had private
Speaker 1: bang apartments and stuff. Um, yeah, as assistants would keep
Speaker 1: them stocked with lingerie and one notot. So it's possible
Speaker 1: she didn't. Yeah. I mean, he also seems like he
Speaker 1: could be like an annoying husband, So I'm sure she
Speaker 1: was fine with him, Like, yeah, I wouldn't want to
Speaker 1: be around, Um it was. I don't. Again, It's it's
Speaker 1: kind of tough where to draw the line at, like
Speaker 1: people to stop searching for complicity, And I think Hillary
Speaker 1: Clinton might wind up on the list. If we have
Speaker 1: a wide enough definition of an annoying I would agree
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah. Yeah. Weinstein donated her and her husband
Speaker 1: huge amounts of money over the years. He invited Hillary
Speaker 1: to movie premiers. He helped advisor Senate campaign in two thousands.
Speaker 1: Back in during the election, Lena Dunham warned the Clinton
Speaker 1: campaign that Harvey was quote a rapist. UH magazine editor
Speaker 1: Tina Brown also warned members of the campaign about Weinstein.
Speaker 1: No actions were taken by anyone in the Clinton camp
Speaker 1: to distance themselves from Weinstein. Several days after losing the
Speaker 1: elect and the Clinton's had dinner with Harvey. They were
Speaker 1: planning a new TV documentary about her campaign. The talks
Speaker 1: only stopped after the New York Times article dropped. See
Speaker 1: that's the thing is Hillary feels like a woman of convenience.
Speaker 1: And if it does not directly affect her and the
Speaker 1: cloud isn't over his head yet, what does that mean
Speaker 1: to her? Yeah, she's not affected by any of these people.
Speaker 1: He's not going to hurt her. Yeah, yeah, I would
Speaker 1: say that's probably fair. But the Weinstein story is so
Speaker 1: gross that even a lot of the guys who like
Speaker 1: when you read through the New York articles and stuff,
Speaker 1: there's a couple of people from within the Weinstein company
Speaker 1: who seemed like good guys um at least on on
Speaker 1: first blush. Ivan Writer is one of them. He was
Speaker 1: a senior executive with the Weinstein Company. He should have
Speaker 1: been running Farrell, running Pharaoh's articles a lot um he was.
Speaker 1: He worked with Harvey for decades and when he learned
Speaker 1: that Lisa Evans from our last podcast had been harassed
Speaker 1: by Weinstein, he reached out to her and he basically
Speaker 1: told her that I fought with him about the mistreatment
Speaker 1: of woman for three weeks before the incident with you.
Speaker 1: I even wrote him an email that got me labeled
Speaker 1: by him a sex police. The fight I had with
Speaker 1: him about you was epic. I told him if you
Speaker 1: were my daughter, he would not have made out so well. Um,
Speaker 1: and this is not someone who alleges Harvey raped her,
Speaker 1: by the way. This is so. Writer definitely opposed Weinstein
Speaker 1: from within the company. He refused to speak favorably of
Speaker 1: him to reporters, even when Harvey threatened to dig up
Speaker 1: dirt on him. He seems like one of the few
Speaker 1: good guys in this situation, but it's also worth noting
Speaker 1: that he only really started fighting back in two thousand fourteen,
Speaker 1: and his objections to Harvey were on financial grounds. Basically,
Speaker 1: he found out that Weinstein had been using his company
Speaker 1: credit card to pay to tip yacht staff, private jet
Speaker 1: flights to Europe to like fly models around and stuff
Speaker 1: for basically things to do with his affairs. He was
Speaker 1: using the company as a separate exactly, And that's when
Speaker 1: Ivan Writer really really start to care when money was involved. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here's how the New York Times put it. Concerned that
Speaker 1: his boss's activities were quote going to take the company down.
Speaker 1: Mr Writer and other executives decided they should act. Wow,
Speaker 1: So it was mostly self interest, mostly self interest. So again,
Speaker 1: everyone in this story only does anything good or evil
Speaker 1: in fairness when their career is And I also don't
Speaker 1: like that line if you were my daughter, It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: who cares who she's Yeah, like this is a human being, yeah,
Speaker 1: which is again like I don't want to like yell
Speaker 1: at him for being the one person who actually spoke
Speaker 1: to one of his victims and was like, this is
Speaker 1: fucked up because no one else did, so he gets
Speaker 1: some credit, but like, good is a low bar in
Speaker 1: the Harvey Weinstein story. It's like you still didn't call
Speaker 1: the police, Like you didn't say anything to anyone else? Really, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is. It is a very low bar. Another possible
Speaker 1: hero in this is a woman named Donna Gigliotti. Helped
Speaker 1: one of Harvey's victims seek legal counsel and advised her
Speaker 1: and how to get a good settlement out of him,
Speaker 1: because he settled with like a dozen women over the years,
Speaker 1: which again people knew about this stuff. There were accusations
Speaker 1: he just was able to pay it off for a
Speaker 1: long time. Um, And Donna Gigliotti is one of the
Speaker 1: women who knew about this because she helped one of
Speaker 1: these victims. But in two thousand ten, when Harvey offered
Speaker 1: her a job as president of production at the Weinstein Company,
Speaker 1: she took it. Yeah's got a price. It's so crazy.
Speaker 1: Everybody's got a price, and everyone is willing to do
Speaker 1: pretty much whatever it takes to keep their career rolling along,
Speaker 1: which I guess you could call Hollywood in a nutshell,
Speaker 1: even though I don't want to believe that because I
Speaker 1: fucking work here too. Scared me, Like, who am I
Speaker 1: going to become? Yeah? Yeah, well you just wait till
Speaker 1: you hit that five million dollar mark again. It's hard
Speaker 1: not to read all of this and to come to
Speaker 1: the conclusion that there was just way too much money
Speaker 1: at stake for the people involved to not be gross. Um.
Speaker 1: Staying blind to Harvey's crimes or just enabling him meant
Speaker 1: tens of millions of dollars. It seems almost nobody is
Speaker 1: capable of turning that down. Uh. In October of two seventeen,
Speaker 1: Scott Rosenberg, screenwriter of Beautiful Girls, posted his thoughts about
Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein on Facebook. Scott wrote from Miramax in the
Speaker 1: early nineties. He credit Weinstein with helping himsell his first
Speaker 1: two movies. He was there for many of the biggest
Speaker 1: years of Weinstein's career when he in Tarantino and Affleck,
Speaker 1: we're all watching their careers explode into the stratosphere. So
Speaker 1: I'm going to read a selection from the post that
Speaker 1: he wrote. It was glorious, all of it. So what
Speaker 1: if he was coming on a little strong to some
Speaker 1: young models who had moved mountains to get into one
Speaker 1: of his parties. So what if he was exposing himself
Speaker 1: and five star hotel rooms like a cartoon flasher out
Speaker 1: of Mad magazine. Just swap robe for raincoat? Who are
Speaker 1: we to call foul? Golden geese don't come along too
Speaker 1: often in one's life, which goes back to my original point.
Speaker 1: Everybody fucking new, but everybody was just having too good
Speaker 1: a time and doing remarkable work, making remarkable movies. As
Speaker 1: the old joke goes, we needed the eggs. Okay, maybe
Speaker 1: we didn't need them, but we really, really, really really
Speaker 1: liked them eggs. So we were willing to overlook what
Speaker 1: the golden goose was up to in the murky shadows
Speaker 1: behind the barn. And for that I am eternally sorry
Speaker 1: all the women who that had to suffer this. I
Speaker 1: am eternally sorry. I've worked with Mira and Rosanna and Lysette,
Speaker 1: I've known Os and Ashley and Claire for years. Their
Speaker 1: courage only hangs a lantern on my shame, and I
Speaker 1: am eternally sorry to all those who suffered in silence
Speaker 1: all this time and have chosen to remain silent today.
Speaker 1: So Scott's opinion seems to be that he's a bastard
Speaker 1: and so has been afflecked. So is Clinton Tarantino and
Speaker 1: probably the Clinton's too. I'm gonna guess Scott would classify
Speaker 1: everybody we've talked about today, the honeypots, the assistants, the lawyers,
Speaker 1: the journalists, the spies, is the same kind of complicit
Speaker 1: because when it comes right down to it, the ex
Speaker 1: massad agents are guilty of the same basic crime has
Speaker 1: been afflecked. They could live with the knowledge that an
Speaker 1: old creep was molesting young women as long as the
Speaker 1: money was good enough. Boy. Yeah, that's a happy ending
Speaker 1: for our podcast today. Well how you feeling, Ana, I
Speaker 1: feel lost. I feel confused. I did always say that
Speaker 1: if if I would ever hire a bodyguard, it would
Speaker 1: be a massad agent because I knew they would do
Speaker 1: whatever they could to protect me. Well yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna hire someone to dig up dirt, it
Speaker 1: seems like black cubes good at it, although they didn't
Speaker 1: stop that article from dropping. Well, that's the thing is
Speaker 1: like the power of the people is so important, and
Speaker 1: I think that's that was so key in bringing down Weinstein.
Speaker 1: Like all of this like everyone knew and I for
Speaker 1: a second when you were reading that, I like almost understood,
Speaker 1: and there was like a moment of my like psyche orles,
Speaker 1: like whoa, what am I doing? Like when you're at
Speaker 1: that level and you're having fun, you're like, yeah, Harvey
Speaker 1: is fucking crazy, you know, and then you're just doing
Speaker 1: your thing because you're in this world. But it's impossible
Speaker 1: to take yourself out of that bubble and be like,
Speaker 1: wait a second, that's harassment. Actually you can't see past
Speaker 1: it because you're like everyone's having a damn good times
Speaker 1: and you're all making so much money. Yeah yeah, and
Speaker 1: that is so fucking heavy. I can't. Yeah. Well, and
Speaker 1: it's I promised not to turn any more of these
Speaker 1: into like you know, anti capitalist RNSW or whatever, but
Speaker 1: it is impossible to deny that. Yeah, it's not just
Speaker 1: that he had the ability to make people's careers. He
Speaker 1: had the ability to with anybody he helped out end
Speaker 1: there financial woes forever. Like, it's whatever you're worried about,
Speaker 1: whatever you're scared about, whatever your anxiety is. You get
Speaker 1: a kid at home who's sick, you have to pay
Speaker 1: for your kid to go to college. You know, you've
Speaker 1: got you know, a mortgage payment, do or whatever. Harvey
Speaker 1: can make that go away forever, and all you have
Speaker 1: to do is be okay with him being a creeper. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think most of us sitting down and reading
Speaker 1: Ronan Pharaoh's articles, most of us condemning Harvey Weinstein, most
Speaker 1: of us condemning all these people. I think most people,
Speaker 1: if they were in the situation a lot of these
Speaker 1: folks were if they didn't know exactly what had gone on.
Speaker 1: They weren't sure that it was rape. They just knew
Speaker 1: that it was fucked up and there was a lot
Speaker 1: of money on the line. I think most people help
Speaker 1: keep the secret. Yeah, that's my dark theory. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think if I were to look back, maybe I would too.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I certainly probably if there was enough
Speaker 1: pressure on me, I would crumble. I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm an anxious enough person that literally what I
Speaker 1: would do probably would keep the secret but then move
Speaker 1: away and just try and put it behind me. Even
Speaker 1: if if I was an assistant and I was put
Speaker 1: in that position and I was asked to do that,
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't do it. But I also probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: have said anything. That's that's what breaks my own I
Speaker 1: just and I feel like, you know, I feel like
Speaker 1: I might be the screenwriter in this who was willing
Speaker 1: to cash the check and ignore the creep, and who
Speaker 1: when it all came out, posted a very eloquent article
Speaker 1: apologizing but still made that money, still stack, that paper
Speaker 1: still benefited. Yeah, it's easy to apologize now after all
Speaker 1: these years. Yeah, which is again it's a very eloquent
Speaker 1: apology and better than any of the other apologies. So
Speaker 1: he gets some at it for that um and credit
Speaker 1: for acknowledging that everybody was garbage in this situation. But
Speaker 1: I do think that going back to my original question
Speaker 1: at the top of this podcast, who are all of
Speaker 1: the bastards in the Harvey Weinstein story? Well, it's like
Speaker 1: he said, it's every fucking body. Yeah, oh Anna, you
Speaker 1: wanna plug some stuff. You guys, just be good people.
Speaker 1: It's like, don't hurt anybody. For the love of God,
Speaker 1: don't hurt anybody. Don't use your power against vulnerable people.
Speaker 1: Just because someone works below you does not mean they
Speaker 1: owe you anything. No one knows you anything, nothing belongs
Speaker 1: to you. You sit there and keep your head down,
Speaker 1: work hard, and don't let anyone take advantage of you.
Speaker 1: And if you ever need to stand up against someone
Speaker 1: who is powerful, Oh God be with you. I don't
Speaker 1: even know. I don't even know if I believe in God,
Speaker 1: but Jesus Christ, I hope, I hope you make it
Speaker 1: out because this industry is so aggressive when it comes
Speaker 1: to just the big dogs taken down the little dogs.
Speaker 1: I don't even and know. It's crazy to think that
Speaker 1: I work in this industry and I don't know what
Speaker 1: I would do. Well, Yeah, we're we're talking about a
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff, and it's probably the crimesy committed
Speaker 1: happened within ten miles of where we're sitting right now. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're in Hollywood right or in Florida. Yeah, that's that's heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: It's actually one of the places that he would go
Speaker 1: to the Peninsula Hotel. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: place I when a few jobs ago. I would go
Speaker 1: there a lot for work. And I think when I
Speaker 1: started reading that and I start I just like started
Speaker 1: to make that connection, and I was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I really hope I was never in that hotel around
Speaker 1: the same time, because that is horrifying to think about.
Speaker 1: Oh God, and how I find to think about what
Speaker 1: the wait staff at the Peninsula Hotel and the Tribeca
Speaker 1: Grand must have had to clean up. Oh yeah, and
Speaker 1: that whole like he's back all right, Well I can't really.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure the gossip was there, but like
Speaker 1: you can't do anything and that that's heartbreaking. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: it is. Uh all right, well, um, this has been
Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards. Check back next week when we'll talk
Speaker 1: about something that's more fun but still a terrible person.
Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans. You can find me on Twitter at
Speaker 1: I Write Okay two letters, and you can find this
Speaker 1: podcast on Twitter at Bastard's pot If you can find
Speaker 1: us on the internet at behind the Bastards dot com,
Speaker 1: will be putting up a selection of Harvey Weinstein looking
Speaker 1: just like the creepiest egg that ever fell out of
Speaker 1: a basket, and also pictures of him with Ben Affleck
Speaker 1: and Ben Affleck's terrible back tattoo. Ben Affleck's catching a
Speaker 1: lot of flak this podcast, but I feel like that's fine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he made his bed and now he has to rub
Speaker 1: his terrible tattoo on him. All right until next week.
Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans. Have a bastardless day.