Speaker 1: Hey, this Sanny and Samantha and welcome to Stephane. Never
Speaker 1: told your protection of iheartradios how stuff works. So today
Speaker 1: we'd come to you from back from a break, a
Speaker 1: brief break. I guess, well, it feels like we did,
Speaker 1: although we didn't. We had a holiday that we didn't
Speaker 1: really celebrate what that was. Yes, the running early in
Speaker 1: the morning does not make it a holiday to me. No.
Speaker 1: I actually started doing that to get out of family alication.
Speaker 1: You know what I did that for Thanksgiving? I did
Speaker 1: a half marathon just so I could not have to
Speaker 1: go to Thanksgiving Day dinner. I have considered it. Yes, um,
Speaker 1: and I love thanks Giving. I love the food. Yes,
Speaker 1: I love the first half, and I love I love
Speaker 1: some of the people. Um. Well, I liked it more
Speaker 1: when my mom, unfortunately, it was like I'm done with this,
Speaker 1: which good for her, And then we started having weird
Speaker 1: like lasagna dishes and meatloaf and or just sandwiches. Someone
Speaker 1: made me a turkey, so I mean, good for good
Speaker 1: for mom, you know. But at the same time that me,
Speaker 1: I really wanted green beans and corn bread and a
Speaker 1: well corn bread, but you know, the good stuffs, the
Speaker 1: l stuffs. I don't make note of this. I won't
Speaker 1: make note of this. UM. And you were feeling a
Speaker 1: bit under the weather. I feel like I'm dying, but
Speaker 1: you're I'm bravely. I'm here. I've pretty much diagnosed ourself
Speaker 1: with everything through a weather and d so you know, dying,
Speaker 1: That's what it said to me. It's just a big
Speaker 1: gold because you're like, oh, you're all older than thirty five.
Speaker 1: That means you are dead. Great, well, I look forward
Speaker 1: to that. UM. But today we are talking about quote
Speaker 1: unquote normal normal, Yes, when it comes to body types
Speaker 1: and women. And this was a request from a listener.
Speaker 1: Why but I think we had a few conversations about, um,
Speaker 1: the whole too skinny, too big, plus size, all of that,
Speaker 1: and then we had a rider coal man and with
Speaker 1: what about me? I'm considered normal in between? And I
Speaker 1: haven't heard much And I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm with you, I've not heard too much either, No, no,
Speaker 1: for sure, And and we wanted to say before we
Speaker 1: really get started here, UM, for women out there who
Speaker 1: are confident in their bodies, especially in bodies that don't
Speaker 1: fit the skinny ideal or are the beauty standard that
Speaker 1: we have been fed so long that we are constantly
Speaker 1: bombarded with that's awesome, that's amazing. Yes, can you please
Speaker 1: exude that and teach us the ways? Yes, yes, because
Speaker 1: we were to get into, um, some of our own
Speaker 1: insecurities and we don't want to project that onto other people.
Speaker 1: I do think a lot of people can relate, but
Speaker 1: in in the beautiful off chance that you can't, Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, um and I, for instance, I've been really
Speaker 1: thin before in my life, really really thin, and I
Speaker 1: still felt like I need to lose more weight and
Speaker 1: that wasn't healthy. But it's just we're told so much
Speaker 1: as women that were not enough, that we have to
Speaker 1: look this way. And if you don't look that way,
Speaker 1: which is a very specific, narrow thing, it can really
Speaker 1: become an unhealthy thing that you're pursuing that you can't achieve. Right.
Speaker 1: And once again, as we talk more and more, you're
Speaker 1: going to hear is talking about examples of ourselves, what
Speaker 1: we don't like, what we fought through, what we're fighting
Speaker 1: through essentially, and it's not necessarily to put out there
Speaker 1: this is what is normal, but more so of why
Speaker 1: the states to be broken exactly because we I mean,
Speaker 1: in a wonderful world, we would be comfortable in our
Speaker 1: own skin and we would appreciate how beautiful we are
Speaker 1: and that our normal is beautiful and we don't have
Speaker 1: to feel like like we have to wear these things
Speaker 1: that don't fit as well or something like that. And
Speaker 1: as we had been told previously on different different episode,
Speaker 1: we need to learn to thank our bodies, yeah, for
Speaker 1: existing and putting us through the daily challenges. Yes, for
Speaker 1: anyone out there who is comfortable in your own skin,
Speaker 1: I aspire to be you, truly, like I work on
Speaker 1: it every day. And I know it's not easy for
Speaker 1: any of us because I'm assuming that anyone who's reached
Speaker 1: that point had to fight for it um and and
Speaker 1: to be bombarded with this these messages all the time,
Speaker 1: and to never see representation beyond a skinny right, And
Speaker 1: to those influencers such as mother and caretakers and fathers
Speaker 1: out there who actually teach this and teach the girls
Speaker 1: to love themselves or not just girls, but everyone to
Speaker 1: love themselves and they're able to show that, that's amazing
Speaker 1: and good on you keep going. Yes, so uh, we
Speaker 1: we applaud you, We applaud all of you, but we
Speaker 1: don't want our insecurities to sound like we think less
Speaker 1: of anyone or that we think this is what you
Speaker 1: should be trying to achieve. We're just insecure. And I
Speaker 1: think it does illustrate the pressure that a lot of
Speaker 1: us feel, right all right, Before we get into it,
Speaker 1: it is worth saying that normal is a tricky word
Speaker 1: to use. And in researching this, I found so many
Speaker 1: articles about mental health and the new normal and the
Speaker 1: dangers and benefits of having a normal when it comes
Speaker 1: to diagnosing somebody, and also just to verify that normal
Speaker 1: to one person is very different to another person, right.
Speaker 1: And I think that normal can be and has been
Speaker 1: used as a weapon or a tool of control, um,
Speaker 1: which we're going to talk about a little bit today. UM,
Speaker 1: a way to get people to to conform. If we
Speaker 1: all think a normal woman is a size too because
Speaker 1: that is all we see, then that is another way
Speaker 1: to control women's bodies, or to make us hate our
Speaker 1: own bodies even more and then pay out more to
Speaker 1: companies that will help us achieve normal. Right. And I
Speaker 1: would say that normal extends to be about perfection when
Speaker 1: you start really thinking about, um, the whole outlier of
Speaker 1: what does this mean? What does society see as normal
Speaker 1: and normal has become a little more higher standards as
Speaker 1: we go along, and I know we're gonna get into
Speaker 1: that later. Wink wink, nudge, judge. Um, and normal, normal
Speaker 1: sometimes isn't good enough. And we wanted to be the
Speaker 1: iconic exception, the next big thing, you know, the whole
Speaker 1: idea of seeing someone on screen and they go beyond
Speaker 1: the normal, and that's what you're supposed to be, the
Speaker 1: superstar and that's the ultimate goal, right, because I think
Speaker 1: in some ways we've tied normal to mediocre, right, which
Speaker 1: is not not the case, right. But uh so there's
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff tied into this word um. And
Speaker 1: we're specifically focusing on body type today and that can
Speaker 1: get tricky too, especially when it comes to separating out
Speaker 1: healthy body types and variants with it within that because
Speaker 1: in reality, there is no specific normal when it comes
Speaker 1: to body shape or size. And that's not to say
Speaker 1: your body isn't normal. And I say that to myself
Speaker 1: all the time, like this is not normal. I don't
Speaker 1: know what is going on, This is not what's supposed
Speaker 1: to happen. I think we all feel that way. But um,
Speaker 1: what we're trying to say is there just isn't one
Speaker 1: body type that it counts for normal. Um, there's a
Speaker 1: range of sizes between skinny and fat that are all
Speaker 1: kind of normal. Yeah. And we here are are not
Speaker 1: even necessarily here, but are just constantly exposed to clothes
Speaker 1: designed to look good for women on the skinnier side.
Speaker 1: And that's not to say skinny women never run into problems.
Speaker 1: I had a friend who was really tall and really skinny,
Speaker 1: and she frequently had to custom order her clothing because
Speaker 1: they didn't have anything that fit her and that was expensive. Um.
Speaker 1: And lately we are hearing more and more about plus
Speaker 1: sized clothes and affordable, well made plus size clothes, but
Speaker 1: we still have a very long way to go in
Speaker 1: that it is happening. But um, yeah, we don't hear
Speaker 1: much about the women in between that and just put
Speaker 1: that out there. We're not complaining that that, you know,
Speaker 1: that's a bad thing in any way whatsoever, because I know,
Speaker 1: for the most part, there was more accessibility for quote
Speaker 1: unquote the in between the skinny and the plus eyes
Speaker 1: in availability. It's kind of like if we talk about
Speaker 1: skin tone as well, one extreme to the other is
Speaker 1: harder to find, you know. Uh So that's not at
Speaker 1: all what we're saying. But we do talk about the
Speaker 1: fact that, even though it may be there, is not
Speaker 1: all the time seen as we can tell, because I mean,
Speaker 1: it definitely had that whole idea of either you're too
Speaker 1: skinny or you're not skinny enough or not fat enough
Speaker 1: to be on television quote unquote, um and different things
Speaker 1: like that, which needs to be like, why it isn't
Speaker 1: that a representation when that is more average or more
Speaker 1: accurate as a population. Yeah, and we'll get into this more.
Speaker 1: But basically, no, a lot of fashion is ignoring the
Speaker 1: majority of women. So while there might be stuff available,
Speaker 1: it might not look good on most women, right, But
Speaker 1: we'll get into that more. Um. Yeah, like you said,
Speaker 1: we don't really see this body type that we're talking about,
Speaker 1: UM in the media very often. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you remember that, but I remember this. I remember when
Speaker 1: Lelo and Stitch came out, there was all this news
Speaker 1: about look at her thighs, their regular sighs, spies, and
Speaker 1: I saw it and I was like, those regular sighs,
Speaker 1: they still look pretty skinny to me. I was thinking, um,
Speaker 1: and you were talking about that with thigh stuff, there
Speaker 1: was a cartoon, and I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: like the Beevis and butt Head cartoon, but it was
Speaker 1: in that genre. And Daria where there was a character
Speaker 1: of a blonde she's the hot girl, but she had
Speaker 1: really thick thighs and hips. But then she has tiny waist.
Speaker 1: So but the thick thighs, I was like, oh yeah, baby,
Speaker 1: I'm okay because I got thoughts for days, That's how
Speaker 1: I like to say it. But definitely don't have that
Speaker 1: tiny tiny waist. I'm like, oh man, they halfway got there.
Speaker 1: But maybe that's the whole new thing, the whole you know,
Speaker 1: bigger butts, thicker thighs, the herd dust and now I
Speaker 1: was told that one time. I was told that too,
Speaker 1: and I I was very taken aback by it. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm just not on what's going on. Actually, have I
Speaker 1: wanna say, you even a hit and miss. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: know things that I'm like what, And the other times
Speaker 1: you're like no, I'm gonna go back to my D
Speaker 1: and D world, which is also hip. Now I've just
Speaker 1: watched it started Stranger Things and all the songs like
Speaker 1: it's brought it back. I'm no longer than Hit one.
Speaker 1: I did I found. I found the new season of
Speaker 1: Stranger Things in their incorporation of DND, quite hilarious of it,
Speaker 1: and I enjoyed it. Who knew I was so cool?
Speaker 1: You are so cool? Okay, So we wanted to go
Speaker 1: over kind of what is going on in this realm
Speaker 1: of normal body type. The average American woman is five
Speaker 1: ft three inches, which is about one point six meters UM,
Speaker 1: with a thirty eight point one inch waist circumference which
Speaker 1: is about point nine six ms, and a weight of
Speaker 1: about point five pounds which is about seventy six point
Speaker 1: four kilos and um. All of this researching, all of
Speaker 1: this um brought me back to when I was young
Speaker 1: and my parents got me a normal sized Barbie. I
Speaker 1: think it was called average Barbie. That was the name
Speaker 1: of it. I was supposed to go home this weekend,
Speaker 1: but I was going to try to find you're gonna
Speaker 1: bring it? I got derailed, but it was it was barbiesque,
Speaker 1: but more realistically proportioned. I remember she was bringing a
Speaker 1: very eighties power suit dressing was a power suit. I
Speaker 1: did not get that memo. It was called something like
Speaker 1: Magical Me and her name was Midge. It was something
Speaker 1: like that. It was. Yeah, I hope it was Midge,
Speaker 1: Um and Samantha. You were looking up comparisons of Barbie
Speaker 1: over the years, like her size, and she's actually gotten less. Right.
Speaker 1: It was weird because the nineties verses of the two
Speaker 1: thousand Barbie were so different. Of course, it kind of
Speaker 1: had that whole cone booby shape versus like the little
Speaker 1: natural booby shape and then the bigger booty for the
Speaker 1: two thousands. It was weird. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: the waist was so slim it was uni realistic, and
Speaker 1: that whole body in size was completely it looked significantly thinner. Yeah, shocking.
Speaker 1: I would have thought that by that even at that
Speaker 1: point they would have realized, hey, this is not real.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and we've done many episodes on Barbie and
Speaker 1: we can talk about Barbie forever. I know. The big
Speaker 1: argument is it's easier to make clothes for It's always
Speaker 1: the argument though, in that they're just even like women
Speaker 1: or identify as female. And I looked into that and
Speaker 1: it's not true. But um well, from what I've read
Speaker 1: it's not true. I am no expert, uh, but there
Speaker 1: are um new body types of Barbie you can get
Speaker 1: these days. Um. One of them, there's three body types
Speaker 1: and one of them is curvy, and her body size
Speaker 1: is a six are size six are eight And um
Speaker 1: that that isn't even near the average woman. And yes,
Speaker 1: this is for children, but it's still influences what we
Speaker 1: think women look like when we are the fact that
Speaker 1: you know, bobbies don't have any kind of worry anatomically
Speaker 1: correct body parts other than well, you're welcome thought about that.
Speaker 1: But I mean, if you will to think about it,
Speaker 1: how has this really been evisual to kids outside of anyway?
Speaker 1: Keep going, I'm going to stop talking. I guess I'll
Speaker 1: ponder that later. Um, And I love this quote I
Speaker 1: found from Nikolai Lamb, who was trying to find a
Speaker 1: realistically proportioned Barbbie for his niece. UM quote, I thought
Speaker 1: I'd be able to find one with realistic body proportions.
Speaker 1: We put a man on the moon, and yes, he
Speaker 1: couldn't find one. So he went on to create and
Speaker 1: sell more realistically proportioned Lamily dolls. Lamily dolls like that.
Speaker 1: And when I, when I was younger, I it was
Speaker 1: a bit of a chubbier kid for a while, I'll
Speaker 1: and I had a very intense insecurity on my body
Speaker 1: and buying clothes. Going shopping was this huge stressful experience.
Speaker 1: So I would buy clothes that purposefully were too big,
Speaker 1: um because I didn't want to like bring attention to anything.
Speaker 1: And I also was I had a fear of like
Speaker 1: that moment when your mom is like does it fit
Speaker 1: and you'd be like no, alright. So I'd always go
Speaker 1: up the size bigger, right. And I still catch myself
Speaker 1: thinking that I'm like a sausage encasing, you know what,
Speaker 1: I think about the whole ham um maybe the ham
Speaker 1: stream like it was that in a thirty Rock episode.
Speaker 1: I think that it was. And I have that same
Speaker 1: fear because for me, I did the same thing. I
Speaker 1: was so self conscious of my legs and my hips
Speaker 1: and all of that that I would I didn't even
Speaker 1: wear jeans or shorts for the longest time, like pretty
Speaker 1: much my first two years of college. All you would
Speaker 1: see me in some random like skirts, And when I
Speaker 1: say skirts, I'm talking to the floor and usually T shirts,
Speaker 1: large T shirts um. And And part of that is
Speaker 1: the whole like I need to cover myself up. I
Speaker 1: don't want to show anybody anything because I don't want
Speaker 1: you to know what I have underneath, So I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna fake it my way, something very very large. And
Speaker 1: you know, that's the whole ordeal with Billie Ellish, the
Speaker 1: teen artist, and her phenomenon with her giant clothes, which
Speaker 1: kind of throws me back to the early mid nineties
Speaker 1: when we were wearing the jeans ten times bigger than you.
Speaker 1: Don't talk about this, what were those of the Zico
Speaker 1: I want to call the genas jenas. That's that's how old.
Speaker 1: I want to call it a name of a game. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's her whole thing. It's like, I don't
Speaker 1: want people to ask about my body. I don't want
Speaker 1: them to know what I look like underneath. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be scrutinized for this or that, so therefore
Speaker 1: I hide it. And that's really a shame that it
Speaker 1: has to be that far, that people are so self
Speaker 1: conscious in this young person who shouldn't even have to
Speaker 1: have to worry about that, is now already making herself
Speaker 1: kind of um an influence, which is awesome by putting
Speaker 1: on the statement I hate that and for me also
Speaker 1: a part of the cult covering up with the whole
Speaker 1: fluctuation game, which is very common for people who are
Speaker 1: overly critical of themselves and constantly looking at their bodies.
Speaker 1: This whole back and forth and back and forth, whether
Speaker 1: it's because of their um bad habits with food, and
Speaker 1: healthy habits with food, and healthy habits with exercising and
Speaker 1: healthy habits of just mental health stuff, the whole fluctuation game.
Speaker 1: And for me it was like, Okay, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: keep it really big so that I can no one.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll ever tell it was the whole thing, and
Speaker 1: we'll get into more of this whole thing, but first
Speaker 1: we're gonna pause for a quick break for word from
Speaker 1: our sponsor. We're back, Thank you sponsor. Okay, So, most
Speaker 1: clothing lines don't sell above a size twelve, and a
Speaker 1: lot of them don't sell above a size ten here
Speaker 1: in the US. I know sizing is different in other countries,
Speaker 1: um and some have changed that. Some of these clothing
Speaker 1: lines have changed that after a highly publicized report came
Speaker 1: out with the headline that the average American woman is
Speaker 1: a size fourteen, but even that was outdated because a
Speaker 1: newer report found the average American woman is between sizes
Speaker 1: fourteen and size sixteen. And yeah, just in case you
Speaker 1: didn't know. Sizes for women here in the US are
Speaker 1: very confusing. Clot standardized right, and it's called to what store? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean even sometimes the like brand I think I
Speaker 1: know of this brand of size whatever is this? No
Speaker 1: no UM? And there have been past episodes on it,
Speaker 1: so check those out if you want to know more. Basically,
Speaker 1: you really have no idea what's going on in your hell.
Speaker 1: Shopping is a personal help for me. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: it's like level slicks of purgatory. I can't stand it.
Speaker 1: I'd love ordering online because of that, but there's a
Speaker 1: good chance that if it doesn't fit, it's just gonna
Speaker 1: be sitting in the corner because I don't even want
Speaker 1: to deal with sending get back that. See. That's another
Speaker 1: thing that I read UM is tricky because I mean,
Speaker 1: I should say, I'm not necessarily in this group we're
Speaker 1: talking about UM, so I don't have or at least
Speaker 1: I don't have the same current experience. But I when
Speaker 1: I was reading about it, I read that UM shopping
Speaker 1: online can be tricky. It is for all of us, really,
Speaker 1: but that there are almost no models outside the thin
Speaker 1: range on most mainstream clothing sites, and it's just really
Speaker 1: hard to say where things will lay. If you're not
Speaker 1: you have to review, like you have to um base
Speaker 1: your decision a lot on the reviews as well as
Speaker 1: there has to be disclaimed. There's disclaimers. Oftentimes it says
Speaker 1: fit actual fit or not not to not too fit,
Speaker 1: so they say if you typically medium, go up aside,
Speaker 1: like it's it's that level, and why can't it just
Speaker 1: be upsize? Then? Right, you're basically rolling the dice. And
Speaker 1: I love how Amazon has that thing and it's like
Speaker 1: right right, you just kind of sit there like, wait,
Speaker 1: how's that? Then? Why? Just why? Then they have to
Speaker 1: give you a chart and even that chart is all
Speaker 1: over the place. Yeah, well, I mean the chart is
Speaker 1: depending on the fact that you'll go and measure yourself, right,
Speaker 1: which I will not do. I try to avoid it.
Speaker 1: I try to avoid it. UM trend to your clothes
Speaker 1: often don't common a size above large, Like if we're
Speaker 1: looking at small, medium, right, A lot of them don't
Speaker 1: go beyond that. The whole new um what is it?
Speaker 1: Clothing in a box? People get send you those. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's become a new phenomenon, which is fantastic, But I
Speaker 1: know there's only very few for women who are plus size,
Speaker 1: and very few who are actually cute clothes and that
Speaker 1: could actually fit, which is really absurd because rock some
Speaker 1: things that booty get it. Yeah, I have one of those,
Speaker 1: and I love it. But I have so many friends
Speaker 1: who've tried it because they know I have it, and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, yes, I'll let me test it out,
Speaker 1: and they can't. They have a hard time finding something
Speaker 1: that fits right. Not only that, but also the cost
Speaker 1: of it. Oh yeah, like and and for some reason,
Speaker 1: as you had said earlier, and we've had episodes before
Speaker 1: the fact that they charge you more even though the
Speaker 1: actual labor doesn't cost that much more. Yeah, and the
Speaker 1: fabric doesn't cost that much more, which is what I
Speaker 1: had assumed must be the reasoning, But from what I
Speaker 1: read it, it really doesn't um. And some take issue
Speaker 1: with the use of plus size since so many of
Speaker 1: us fall in that fourteen to sixteen range, which is
Speaker 1: would be called plus size, and that is the average
Speaker 1: as it were, and some think it's insulting or demoralized.
Speaker 1: Is absolutely has its own section, right, I mean, when
Speaker 1: you go into different department stores or even its own store,
Speaker 1: why what is there a need to segregate in shopping.
Speaker 1: That seems so unnecessary in generals. Alight already buy sizes
Speaker 1: everywhere anyway, so add another step? Come on? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I read people just like seeing that big sign
Speaker 1: and where you have to go right, and then I
Speaker 1: love it because it's also oftentimes next to the maternity sizes.
Speaker 1: Come on, come on, who's gonna buy clothes? Not buying that?
Speaker 1: I I had a really bad experience when I was younger.
Speaker 1: Where is somebody eltive mine told me I should shop
Speaker 1: at the maternity ward and it really loved the mark.
Speaker 1: I can see why you don't want to go home
Speaker 1: when things go I get it now. He's usually not invited,
Speaker 1: or I think, but um. In an up ed piece
Speaker 1: from seventeen, Tim Gunn wrote, it's a puzzling conundrum. The
Speaker 1: average American woman now wears between the size sixteen and
Speaker 1: a size eighteen. According to new research from Washington State University,
Speaker 1: there are one hundred million plus size women in America,
Speaker 1: but many designers, dripping with disdain lacking imagination, are simply
Speaker 1: too cowardly to take a risk. Still refused to make
Speaker 1: clothes for them. Yeah, and as you said, it can
Speaker 1: be noted ten years ago, the plus size range used
Speaker 1: to be twelve to eighteen, and now it spans from
Speaker 1: six to fourteen, So six is now can be included
Speaker 1: in a lot of plus size ideas. And added that
Speaker 1: again statistically, about half the American female where the size
Speaker 1: fourteen or more as you were talking. So now to
Speaker 1: add more shame, we're looking beyond the plus size or
Speaker 1: a big chunk of our population. So we've added more
Speaker 1: and more of the smaller sizes to that plus size range,
Speaker 1: but also shrinked it, made it smaller. Yes, just find
Speaker 1: a new word, um, and to down to fourteen. And
Speaker 1: that's not even within that same as which we talked
Speaker 1: about being fourteen to eighteen as the new plus size
Speaker 1: and having half that half that population be in that category.
Speaker 1: What is that absurdity that, even though we're becoming more
Speaker 1: and more aware, is still more and more ostracizing than
Speaker 1: it was ten years ago. Yeah, yeah, that does really
Speaker 1: makes sense. And and something else that confused me. It
Speaker 1: puzzled me when I read it. Um, the women's clothing
Speaker 1: market is worth about one billion dollars, and yet plus
Speaker 1: size clothing only accounts for sixteen per cent of that,
Speaker 1: even though half like you said, like, the average woman
Speaker 1: is size sixteen. UM, that doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mathematically right, I mean, and that's becoming a
Speaker 1: norm as we're talking about normalized ideas. Why aren't we
Speaker 1: Why is in our environment changing with that? Like it's
Speaker 1: seemingly accepting it more. It's okay, let's say it's easier
Speaker 1: to celebrate that, but not necessarily. We don't see society,
Speaker 1: society moving without the industry moving with that unless you're Nike, which, hey,
Speaker 1: good job Nike. You know I'm talking about right that
Speaker 1: the sports promise, no, the whole um, whole athletic give
Speaker 1: and they're they're starting to promote more more um plus
Speaker 1: size or average size now we can say um people
Speaker 1: in there. And there's been this huge controversy back and
Speaker 1: forth with the fat shaming about why is Nike public
Speaker 1: you know, celebrating this, publishing this, and everybody's like, wait,
Speaker 1: what if they're trying to if people are plus size
Speaker 1: who you think are bigger and they're doing more and
Speaker 1: more exercise, but why is that a bad thing? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the whole People are so judgmental when it comes
Speaker 1: to weights, and you know what, for me, when I exercise,
Speaker 1: if I have cute clothes on, it motivates me more.
Speaker 1: Having the right gear to do that type of exercise,
Speaker 1: I'm more motivated to do it. Yeah, And just like
Speaker 1: the comfort of it. If you're uncomfortable because something doesn't
Speaker 1: fit you, well, I will say yeah. For the longest time,
Speaker 1: I would not exercise because I was scared of being
Speaker 1: seen at a gym doing something. Yeah. Yeah. I I
Speaker 1: was the same way, and I know most of my
Speaker 1: female friends were the same way. Because you feel like
Speaker 1: you're being judged right, and you probably and you probably
Speaker 1: are no matter what, And so you want something that
Speaker 1: you feel good in, like an armor, right, so you
Speaker 1: can shrug that all right? Screw you haters. The official
Speaker 1: or screw you haters of five major brands examines with
Speaker 1: a total of five hundred brands um. Within those so
Speaker 1: like major clothing lines undred brands, only two of the
Speaker 1: clothing was plus size. Yeah. In an article from a
Speaker 1: fast company, Alexandra Waldman of Women's Where Daily said, if
Speaker 1: we are still talking about a plus size market ten
Speaker 1: years from now, we have failed. And from what I read,
Speaker 1: there are no clothes are very very little clothes designed
Speaker 1: specifically for the average sized woman. There are plus size
Speaker 1: clothes and then clothes designed with skinny women in mind
Speaker 1: that are then scaled up and so that that means
Speaker 1: the waist to breast ratio and the waist to hip
Speaker 1: ratio don't change. They are eysed up, but they do
Speaker 1: in like the human body. Right, and those that are
Speaker 1: appropriately sized up are more expensive. Right. Women's Wear Daily
Speaker 1: calls sizes ten to sixteen the black hole. Too thin
Speaker 1: for plus size, too big for regular. Right. If you
Speaker 1: think about the whole um modeling industry, Top Model. I
Speaker 1: used to watch that way back when, and that was
Speaker 1: a lot of the conversation. Like one of the big
Speaker 1: things is if you came in the plus size, great,
Speaker 1: but if you started losing weight, they started criticizing you
Speaker 1: left and right. I remember watching a couple of miles.
Speaker 1: They were like, either you need to lose another fifty
Speaker 1: pounds or you need to keep that extra ten fifteen
Speaker 1: pounds that you're losing. And it was shaming them in
Speaker 1: front of a panel like you're not fat enough again
Speaker 1: once again, and you're being too normal and no one
Speaker 1: wants to see normal. Oh that gives me anxiety, right, right,
Speaker 1: And just watching that you're like, what is happening? And
Speaker 1: then then being accepted as that's okay to say that,
Speaker 1: and people accepted it, and I was like, this is
Speaker 1: a competition, and you're like, wait, but why how does
Speaker 1: this make sense? Right? Man? That hurt my heart. I know.
Speaker 1: Right when it comes to formal clothes, finding something that
Speaker 1: fits and looks well, it's an issue onto itself. I
Speaker 1: read a lot of that, Um yeah, problem dress shopping
Speaker 1: with such a nightmare. Bridesmaid shopping. Yeah, I've been. I
Speaker 1: will say I've been in like ten to fifteen weddings.
Speaker 1: It's really bad. Too many friends. I think they like
Speaker 1: to torture me because I've refused. Since then, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I will not be a bridesmaid. Don't ask me if
Speaker 1: you want me to be friends with you, don't ask
Speaker 1: me again. I wasn't gonna be really fun and I
Speaker 1: get to be really, really really in a fun place
Speaker 1: and I don't have to wear anything constricting. Or it's
Speaker 1: been lots of money then maybe because I spent a
Speaker 1: lot of money my early after college years on bridesmaid Yes, anyway,
Speaker 1: but if you look at all of that, I remember
Speaker 1: going being compared to because I would say I'm five
Speaker 1: four and I'm definitely on the thicker side. Um. And
Speaker 1: I've always been on the thicker side on the girl
Speaker 1: with a fast as I said, yes all day, um.
Speaker 1: But like watching being in the same room with a
Speaker 1: person who was a size two or three and having
Speaker 1: to try the same dress on as though that is
Speaker 1: one of the most demoralizing moment and everybody's like it
Speaker 1: looks so nice, Oh my Goshly, and you know, they're like,
Speaker 1: you get in your head, like you're allowing to me.
Speaker 1: You're making me look like I'm in a potato sack,
Speaker 1: and I hate you. But that's the thing, I mean,
Speaker 1: even with all of that, in comparison to when you
Speaker 1: look at everyone else and you're standing next to everyone
Speaker 1: whilse in the same damn dress. Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about that, because of course it's not
Speaker 1: going to fit everyone the same. That's a good point, Ugly.
Speaker 1: I don't like you. You're the vague you out there.
Speaker 1: He might write her to apprise me thing. Uh. And
Speaker 1: then there's the problem with a sense to waste, which
Speaker 1: most clothes cinch where the natural waste is, which is
Speaker 1: typically determined by where that would fall on a skinny person,
Speaker 1: and when you are not a skinny person, this can
Speaker 1: lead to some very unflattering and ill flitting clothes. And
Speaker 1: I will say for me, um, very difficult to zip
Speaker 1: as a single lady. The single lady struggle of a dress.
Speaker 1: I told you about the Amazon thing. I put it
Speaker 1: on my birthday wishes, the Amazon gadget that helps us
Speaker 1: up your own dress. And also that's the one thing
Speaker 1: about clipping your bracelet or your jewelry. You knew that
Speaker 1: I did. I did. I saw that when I was
Speaker 1: it came up as like customers. Also, hey, look, thanks
Speaker 1: technology for allowing me to be single, for allowing me
Speaker 1: to do more than I ever thought possible. Um. And
Speaker 1: then this is something I've heard from a lot of
Speaker 1: my my friends. The bikini are not bikini problem when
Speaker 1: it comes to swimwear. Uh. And they told me if
Speaker 1: you wear one piece that they feel like people assume
Speaker 1: it's because yourself conscious, which you might be, but you
Speaker 1: also might prefer the comfort and not having to worry
Speaker 1: about your breasts, which might be on the bigger side
Speaker 1: spilling out. And I have had one my band bus
Speaker 1: that not one, but two amusement parks on a bikini,
Speaker 1: so I understand the words, oh gosh, it was not good.
Speaker 1: One of them got sucked in like it was a
Speaker 1: water slide and right at the bottom of the top
Speaker 1: cuts sucked out the day What that is how to
Speaker 1: go literally like a nerd comedy from the nineteen eight
Speaker 1: or they actually do that on purpose with the hot girls.
Speaker 1: But it's pretty much discussing like I'm sure always trying
Speaker 1: to do that essentially, I mean, yeah, they're trying to
Speaker 1: do that, um and yeah, this whole this isn't even
Speaker 1: mentioning the difficulty of finding something that fits um or
Speaker 1: if you go the bikini route, two pieces that fit,
Speaker 1: especially when those pieces are sold together as one set
Speaker 1: in your body might not work. I do appreciate the
Speaker 1: new mix and match idea that has been fantastic, and
Speaker 1: with that we can actually add this stigma of wearing
Speaker 1: too much on the beach if you start thinking about
Speaker 1: the bark up bating suit or the barkini. Heidazaniti was
Speaker 1: credited with inventing the barkini in two thousand four and
Speaker 1: was featured this year on Sports illustraated with a lot
Speaker 1: of criticism and backlash and even with banned by many
Speaker 1: public areas, which is so absurd. So and and we
Speaker 1: already know there's been so many videos, YouTube videos and
Speaker 1: um Facebook videos of people being scrutinized and criticized and
Speaker 1: even shamed off a beach for having this on. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like, what is this upsturdy to to the
Speaker 1: Islamic culture? This is normal, It's not a bad thing.
Speaker 1: How can it be too little or too much? What
Speaker 1: is wrong with you? We cannot twin cannot win UM.
Speaker 1: In modeling, women in the invisible eight to twelve sized
Speaker 1: ranger called ultra and female consumer and that range are
Speaker 1: called rat queens because they are just expected to buy
Speaker 1: clothes even though they rarely see their size represented in
Speaker 1: fashion shows or marketing materials. And a good portion of
Speaker 1: design schools don't even have mannequins outside of sample sizes
Speaker 1: for their students to learn to design for. So not
Speaker 1: a lot of that is great, UM, but we do
Speaker 1: we do have some more for you, But first we
Speaker 1: have one more quick break for word from our sponsor,
Speaker 1: and we're back, Thank you, sponsor. And so one of
Speaker 1: the things we wanted to touch on is this is
Speaker 1: kind of hard to talk about without offending people are
Speaker 1: gonna make some people and it's gonna be all about
Speaker 1: the fact that we're not necessarily giving an opinion. But
Speaker 1: as much as like these are some of the conversations
Speaker 1: that are had, and it's it's too all. It's two
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen at least the fact we have to be
Speaker 1: honest about the fact that it is a conversation and
Speaker 1: then it affects us on a daily light a basis. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and um, like we mentioned earlier, a lot of people
Speaker 1: do feel that they there's some morality or that they
Speaker 1: can judge people around weight, right, and it goes both ways. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think um. One of the things that we
Speaker 1: want to talk about was also about the b m I,
Speaker 1: which is the body mass index and which has been
Speaker 1: used a little more than just your typical weight skilled
Speaker 1: type of thing. But as we were researching in and
Speaker 1: as many people already know, the idea of the simple
Speaker 1: b m I is nice enough, but actually just a
Speaker 1: quick assessment and it doesn't tell the whole story. It
Speaker 1: doesn't look at the whole picture, such as fat versus muscle.
Speaker 1: For example, UM elderly may show a normal b m I,
Speaker 1: but because the lack of body muscle or body mass,
Speaker 1: it actually is an inaccurate assessment in comparison to what's
Speaker 1: going on with our body. A lot of factors outside
Speaker 1: the simple numbers should also be noted, such as body
Speaker 1: type or age, and even ethnicity can come into play
Speaker 1: when you come into the research. I mean, as an
Speaker 1: Asian person, apparently I may have a little more in
Speaker 1: longevity than a white person. Sorry any but again, this
Speaker 1: is a lot of assumptions and factors and just the
Speaker 1: generalization and overall and statistics. So once it can when
Speaker 1: we come and talk about statistics, it doesn't always come
Speaker 1: obviously to the individual person, so that should be noted
Speaker 1: as well. And according to the researchers, people who are
Speaker 1: a bit overweight have higher survival rates. I'm gonna live forever,
Speaker 1: just say so. Even research can't can't really pinpoint what
Speaker 1: normal is without measurements, without all the different factors for
Speaker 1: the individual person. So remember that if you're going because
Speaker 1: I know people who go work out have personal trainers
Speaker 1: do all this b and my things. Even though they
Speaker 1: may have training and certifications, they don't necessarily know what
Speaker 1: is best in your body. Yeah, Bobby's bodies are complicated
Speaker 1: that are very, very very complicated. Yeah, and we wanted
Speaker 1: to touch on something that I think we both struggled with,
Speaker 1: probably a lot of us to have struggled with. Um
Speaker 1: is the difficulty around congratulating someone for losing weight right,
Speaker 1: because well, I mean, for one thing, you're you might
Speaker 1: not be sure why they lost the weight, right, It
Speaker 1: could have been it could be an illness or something. Um.
Speaker 1: So there's that, but it comes up a lot for
Speaker 1: us because we get asked for sponsorships around nutrition and exercise,
Speaker 1: and typical language used around women doing that is basically right.
Speaker 1: It's so tricky to have a conversation about body without
Speaker 1: the double edged sort of being encouraging as well as damaging.
Speaker 1: And I think for me, I have played the weight
Speaker 1: game all of my life. I've been in a lot
Speaker 1: of hard work of exercising and being overly conscious of
Speaker 1: food choices and losing weight and feeling proud of that.
Speaker 1: But I'm also the one to quickly gain it back
Speaker 1: and feel the shame of trying to cover it up
Speaker 1: and not notice the faces of people who have been
Speaker 1: previously complimenting me to the obvious change in conversation. And
Speaker 1: I would say when I had a very massive weight
Speaker 1: loss was due to my depression and anxiety and medication,
Speaker 1: and right now there are things happening with that body.
Speaker 1: I'm starting to think maybe there's styroid issues or whatever
Speaker 1: that I'm like, I'm getting concerned because it's so abnormal.
Speaker 1: But this is the last few years I've shown a
Speaker 1: lot of like fluctuation for me. So there's this whole
Speaker 1: shame factor as well as feeling encouraged because I do
Speaker 1: work hard to maintain Now. When I was a lot younger,
Speaker 1: I was a lot heavier UM, and I also worked
Speaker 1: in a really high stress field, so that alone added
Speaker 1: even more. And we know that stress can it's stress
Speaker 1: and lack of sleep. All of that does UM add
Speaker 1: to weight fluctuation as well as health problems just in
Speaker 1: general health problems, But there are so many things to
Speaker 1: this that I've had friends who have worked really, really
Speaker 1: hard to become healthier because they were either pre diabetic
Speaker 1: or a hard issues. As we're talking about UM, that
Speaker 1: included changing their body type and also their confidence. So
Speaker 1: at the same time, for those who I know really well,
Speaker 1: they asked to be encouraged to continue that. Again, we
Speaker 1: talked about the fact that it is a fine line.
Speaker 1: And also it's none of your damn business what their
Speaker 1: body looks like. That's the other part. How do you
Speaker 1: get back the old trope of this is what you
Speaker 1: should look like, So we should complement to encourage versus
Speaker 1: just leave it be. Yeah. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: if someone feels like things such as eating programs may
Speaker 1: be helpful, how are we to say not to do that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But again it is tricky because it's the autonomy of
Speaker 1: individual bodies and that's what we fight for, right, But
Speaker 1: how do we also encourage health? Yeah, because we want
Speaker 1: to celebrate all body types and promote body positivity. We
Speaker 1: want to support folks who want to build healthy habits,
Speaker 1: who want to be healthier for themselves. And there can
Speaker 1: be attention there because there are genetics involved, their societal
Speaker 1: pressures involved, there's billions of dollars in the diet and
Speaker 1: fitness industry involved. So it's hard. And I can say
Speaker 1: personally for me, I have a friend who has lost
Speaker 1: a lot of weight and I don't think she's done
Speaker 1: it healthily. And it's just hard because we're so programmed
Speaker 1: to think thinner is better, You've done a good job,
Speaker 1: and not healthier is better, and so I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm having a really hard time handling what I should
Speaker 1: say to her, and you have you and I have
Speaker 1: to how many conversations about how we want to represent
Speaker 1: ourselves and be transparent as well as maintained balance. And
Speaker 1: I think it's difficult because we're all learning to love
Speaker 1: who we are and how we are at the same time,
Speaker 1: we want to make sure we have a balance between
Speaker 1: that and honesty. And for me, sometimes loving myself does
Speaker 1: not necessarily include ah food related things and or exercise
Speaker 1: relating things like I know that there's something wrong with
Speaker 1: me if I haven't exercise in over a week, and
Speaker 1: I mean along the lines of depression because a part
Speaker 1: of my motivation and part of my stress relieve is
Speaker 1: because of this. And also it's a part of my
Speaker 1: social outing. I know that's really odd, but I get
Speaker 1: down sometimes and I'm really awkward, and I'm an introvert
Speaker 1: to the core, Like I'm really great when I have
Speaker 1: to be on, but if I don't shut off, I
Speaker 1: may just crumble and with her and die. This has
Speaker 1: been the theme today. You're welcome, um, But the fact
Speaker 1: is I get to go out and meet new people
Speaker 1: starting new relationships through this different types of activities because
Speaker 1: I love doing. Like I've talked about Cardio jam, I've
Speaker 1: made some really good friends just dancing it out essentially.
Speaker 1: Yeah you heard me dancing it out hip popping in
Speaker 1: out with my crew over you know, with the Marco
Speaker 1: and yeah, he's he's he's the instructor, he's my boy.
Speaker 1: But like, we do a lot of things and they
Speaker 1: know me to the point that if I'm not there
Speaker 1: for what we're like, are you okay? And that's a
Speaker 1: legitimate question, not because I'm not exercised, not because I'm
Speaker 1: not you know whatever out there sweating, but because for
Speaker 1: me this is an outlet. But again, I know you
Speaker 1: have talked about having too much of that, and that
Speaker 1: is like, how do we become make sure that we
Speaker 1: are putting on a healthy perspective on both ways because
Speaker 1: I also can't orate over drink like one of my
Speaker 1: bad habits can be when I get really rushed. When
Speaker 1: I was starting out at de Facts, I was eating
Speaker 1: a lot of fast food. Believe me, that was not
Speaker 1: helping me at all. It did not help my sleep habits,
Speaker 1: It did not help my heart habit. You know, all
Speaker 1: of that and that's kind of cost for concern as well.
Speaker 1: I'm the easy out. So where is that balance? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's honestly very difficult, I think because you don't
Speaker 1: want to enable bad habits and other people. Um, it's
Speaker 1: just it's really tough. And another thing we did want
Speaker 1: to touch on briefly is something that we've kind of
Speaker 1: mentioned is this moral judgment people feel entitled to make
Speaker 1: around people's weight. Um that maybe you're lazy or disgusting
Speaker 1: our are even the other way for for skinny people,
Speaker 1: like maybe you don't eat at all. Yeah, just these
Speaker 1: kind of like snap judgments that we feel okay with
Speaker 1: making a bound around usually in women's bodies, but everybody, Um,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be eating that. Um. Not only does that
Speaker 1: directly impact self confidence for women that can reflect that
Speaker 1: lack of self confidence can reflect in their clothing choices
Speaker 1: like it did for Samantha and I, which can affect
Speaker 1: how you are perceived professionally, like we talked about and
Speaker 1: the make a portion of our routine episode. Um. I
Speaker 1: think that also goes for the conversations not even directed
Speaker 1: at us. I remember just hearing people who have perceived
Speaker 1: to be skinnier, prettier, um in much better shape than
Speaker 1: I am, talking about how much they need to change
Speaker 1: or need to lose more. And I took that as
Speaker 1: a judgment about me, and I'm thinking, oh my god,
Speaker 1: if they think they're skinny, they think they think they're fat,
Speaker 1: how do they look at me, who is at least
Speaker 1: twice you're with? And I'm also thinking that with kids.
Speaker 1: And I know we've talked about this a lot, and
Speaker 1: I know there's a plenty of studies out there. How
Speaker 1: we talk about watch your conversations and watch what you're
Speaker 1: talking and how you're talking to your teens, your adolescents,
Speaker 1: because you're teaching them. A happen as a nanny when
Speaker 1: I was talking to my the mother of the kids
Speaker 1: that are taken care of, she is this beautiful woman
Speaker 1: in like amazingly fit, all of these things, had babies
Speaker 1: and you would never know all of these things continually
Speaker 1: talking about diet, contin you we're talking about not being
Speaker 1: able to eat this continually county calories and her tin
Speaker 1: At that time, I think eight year old was watching
Speaker 1: her and doing the same thing and shaming her brothers
Speaker 1: to try to make them like stop eating or reading
Speaker 1: less and all of these things that are even talking
Speaker 1: about their gut and all of these things. And I'm
Speaker 1: thinking this is you have to be careful. And don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, the mother never said anything to the kids.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like she was like, you're fat, don't do this,
Speaker 1: don't do that. It was just what they were hearing
Speaker 1: from the mother, and who obviously is very very healthy,
Speaker 1: going overboard in that level, and I think that's part
Speaker 1: of the problem we have, and now it's just the
Speaker 1: overall generalized conversations that we have. It pollutes everything around them.
Speaker 1: So you have to be super careful. And I never
Speaker 1: for me sometimes I've talked with um many people, many women.
Speaker 1: We talked about counting calories, that it can be healthy
Speaker 1: to one extent, but really really really like over the top.
Speaker 1: And I get that way. I get competitive about I
Speaker 1: can't eat this, I can't I can't this. But you
Speaker 1: have have to have a balance. So I know you
Speaker 1: were talking about the absolutely one of the apps that
Speaker 1: you use actually told you you're not eating enough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like, I think it's three days go buying
Speaker 1: you don't eat enough. It said like, well, we won't
Speaker 1: let you add stuff to it anymore until you start eating.
Speaker 1: You should be meeting this at least this many, which
Speaker 1: is a good thing, which I really do appreciate because
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen enough, and that gives a note sense
Speaker 1: of moments that you gets kind of scared. I believe
Speaker 1: that's wy Weight Watchers changed over to their point system
Speaker 1: because people were counting too much with that it was
Speaker 1: kind of affecting them, and then it took off some
Speaker 1: points for average things like fruit and vegetables, because those
Speaker 1: are things that are necessary and shouldn't be accounted against you.
Speaker 1: I believe. Yeah, not that I'm We're not We're not
Speaker 1: sponsored by them, but I just I'm knowing like people,
Speaker 1: I think things the industry slowly changing, not enough, obviously
Speaker 1: not enough, but kind of taking that out of okay,
Speaker 1: we need to learn about being healthy versus skinny. And
Speaker 1: again this goes back to why are we talking about normal?
Speaker 1: This is your normal. If you are healthy, happy, healthy,
Speaker 1: and everything is good to go, that's normal. That's great.
Speaker 1: And I think we talked about how the whole natural look.
Speaker 1: That's also different from everyone else as well, and that
Speaker 1: shouldn't be judged based on anybody else's judgment. And this
Speaker 1: whole basis of this is what you need to be
Speaker 1: and this is not what we could expect. It should
Speaker 1: be thrown out the window because that's the whole perspective
Speaker 1: in ethnicity, in body type and gender, all of those
Speaker 1: things should be out that window because the normal is
Speaker 1: not normal anymore. And we which kind of talked about
Speaker 1: and trauma alone and the effects of trauma, and it
Speaker 1: can come out into these specific things in fielding, like
Speaker 1: you have to build up to a certain point of
Speaker 1: your body, a certain point of um sizes or looks
Speaker 1: or whatever to justify or try to cover up past humiliations,
Speaker 1: past hurts, past abuse is and that's kind of the problem,
Speaker 1: is that that the reason there is no norm is
Speaker 1: nobody has the same past. Yeah, Um, And I hope
Speaker 1: that we'll see more, um good representations of all body
Speaker 1: types and the industry will make more and I hope
Speaker 1: that more clothing that fits well looks well is designed
Speaker 1: specifically for women in this whats so long been quote
Speaker 1: a black hole. And um, I hope that for some
Speaker 1: people listening, maybe you realize you're a lot less alone
Speaker 1: than you thought you were, and just kind of wrap
Speaker 1: it all up once again, there are people who actually
Speaker 1: are out there showing and being good. Examples such as
Speaker 1: media Killing Beyonce, Rihanna, Jamila, you did it, I don't, Jamila,
Speaker 1: Jamilla Jamil. Those people are amazing and calling out the
Speaker 1: stereotypes and the negativity and the Hollywood standards and media standards,
Speaker 1: and that's fantastic. And I think with a lot of
Speaker 1: our own insecurities that we just talked about, I just
Speaker 1: I had to remembered times where I heard women or
Speaker 1: people who actually love themselves actually talked about how they
Speaker 1: feel good about their hair, they're feeling good about their outfit.
Speaker 1: And my first thought was because seems kind of conceited,
Speaker 1: But that's kind of a programmed idea in us that
Speaker 1: we have to be humble, and being humble means being
Speaker 1: really really hard on ourselves, and that's absurd. And for
Speaker 1: those who got it, yeah girl, yeah, show it. You
Speaker 1: got that booty, Yeah, show that thing off, you've got
Speaker 1: the hair, tossed that up, show everybody what you've got,
Speaker 1: You've got the red lipstick, because that is amazing and
Speaker 1: for many of us, when we have a good day,
Speaker 1: embrace that day, love it, show it off. Kind of
Speaker 1: like how Tina f A encouraged Britney Spears way back
Speaker 1: at when in the SNL episode or SNL newsclip, she
Speaker 1: was like, rub that thing with fine oils. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: treat yourself and go ahead and love yourself and please
Speaker 1: show that that's an influence thing. You're feeling good, you
Speaker 1: need to take a selfie, go for it. Proud of you.
Speaker 1: Teach me the ways. Yeah, I mean that is one
Speaker 1: of the biggest pieces of advice you always see, is
Speaker 1: like find something you love about yourself and you know,
Speaker 1: at least in your own head and think, you know what, Yes,
Speaker 1: today my eyes look very nice. So Annie, Yes, tell
Speaker 1: me something that you like about yourself today. I love
Speaker 1: my eyes, yes, and they're twinkling. I love my skin.
Speaker 1: There you go. Yes, that brings us to the end
Speaker 1: of this episode. Um, we would love to hear hear
Speaker 1: from people about your your woes or triumphs when it
Speaker 1: comes to clothing and shopping. Um. You can email us
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