Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast ships Tyler and hand them
Speaker 1: so stupid. Welcome to another India of the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL Podcast, presented by Sirius XM. I'm Greg Rosen though
Speaker 1: in a room filled with the os Mark Sasler, Chris Westling,
Speaker 1: and Patrick clay By. Yeah, I should explain that money
Speaker 1: drum because the place seems to understand it what money
Speaker 1: is referencing. There is the franchise The Bachelor, and the
Speaker 1: culmination of the most recent season of The Bachelorette, in
Speaker 1: which Hannah g who is an alumnus of the University
Speaker 1: of Alabama UH spurned her engagement and elected to go
Speaker 1: on a single date with the guy that she sent
Speaker 1: off um after finding out that her x was actually
Speaker 1: in a secret relationship with an Auburn fan. So this
Speaker 1: money drum came from David Eally potentially? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I can't think of anyone else in our newsroom that
Speaker 1: would that it could have come from. Well, could it's
Speaker 1: gonna come from? Could Andrew Gruverer? Yeah? A lot of
Speaker 1: people know about The Bachelor atte but Alabama with the
Speaker 1: exception of Gruber. You know, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know about Roll tide. I mean include I like Groover
Speaker 1: a lot, but I don't like his his unnecessarily endless
Speaker 1: prattling on about Alabama. We don't need that invest a
Speaker 1: lot of Alabama pride. It's uh, it's Monday. You know.
Speaker 1: We're back Dan Hansas, our our humble host is gone
Speaker 1: in the yor. I don't know why. That's what rich
Speaker 1: Eisen always says. I'm your humble host. So that's just
Speaker 1: an interesting parallel. The thing is, we all started laughing. Uh.
Speaker 1: He is on the East Coast watching the Yankees and
Speaker 1: the Red Sox season over the weekend, seeing his family.
Speaker 1: He'll be back on Wednesday. We have three shows this week,
Speaker 1: but this is probably the only show where Mark and
Speaker 1: West are wearing the exact same shirt we are. And
Speaker 1: it's been it's been months, I want to say, at
Speaker 1: least four months since I've worn this shirt. And it
Speaker 1: just happened that Mark pulled his out of the closet
Speaker 1: on the same day after not wearing it for about well,
Speaker 1: it's a very typical low level I would argue Caucasian
Speaker 1: by at a at an outlet, and we both wound
Speaker 1: up with it. I mean, you have a fashion east
Speaker 1: significant other working on your behalf. I would suggest that
Speaker 1: my wife is not so plugged into my wardrobe. But
Speaker 1: the fact that every time I think about the shirt,
Speaker 1: I don't wear it because I've seen you wear it occasionally.
Speaker 1: And today, so I'm just gonna roll the dice and
Speaker 1: snake eyes. Baby, we're both wearing the same shirt. And
Speaker 1: this actually is a video show for NFL dot com
Speaker 1: for the eight people watching that they're just being on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: We'll show it on Wednesday. Check that out. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a good shirt. I have no issue. We don't need
Speaker 1: two of them. It's fine. Why what's the problem? I
Speaker 1: mean West fields enough to have put a card to
Speaker 1: get on. Yeah, he changed it out. Then a softball
Speaker 1: team wears the same shirt. They're on the same team. Well,
Speaker 1: this isn't really athletic competition, is it not. I mean
Speaker 1: we are sponsored, so I think when you start off
Speaker 1: with the Bachelor or the Bachelorette, you can throw athletic.
Speaker 1: But your point and half the softball team doesn't wear
Speaker 1: the same shirt. If you guys were wearing it too,
Speaker 1: I get it. But you can't just say half the
Speaker 1: soft Claybon has got a similar ish, you know, checkered
Speaker 1: blue shirt, which pretty much every guy in that has
Speaker 1: to wear button down shirts to work has some variation.
Speaker 1: You are you're being color bon. Do you know what
Speaker 1: color your shirt is? Greg? I can tell you. If
Speaker 1: you don't know, mind a blue shirt wrong shortly shirt.
Speaker 1: It could be an athletic endeavor because Claybon might have
Speaker 1: to sprint down to the newsroom at any moment. He
Speaker 1: has to stay ready if something goes wrong during Inside
Speaker 1: Training Camp Live, like someone's audio is not working or whatever.
Speaker 1: They need Claibon to host any minute. So if listeners
Speaker 1: you'll know what happens if Clay Yeah, if there's a
Speaker 1: buy and then you hear the crumbling sound of a microphone,
Speaker 1: which Mark brought up before the show that that might
Speaker 1: be I didn't realize it. Yeah, it's it's probably takes
Speaker 1: a toll on my mental state. It's like to be
Speaker 1: a doctor with a beeper. You're like a fireman. Like
Speaker 1: I've talked to know soon as the fireman. It's like
Speaker 1: ultimately it's a lot of you know, sitting around, but
Speaker 1: you have to stay ready and then when you when
Speaker 1: you're called in, it's like it's from zero to a
Speaker 1: hundred except there's no lives at stake. It's just like
Speaker 1: we want the TV to look nice. Yeah, well people,
Speaker 1: but yeahlihood basically your son Malcolm's livelihood at the stake.
Speaker 1: We got a big show with Claibon here. We're gonna
Speaker 1: go through some news. We're gonna talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about the Hall of Fame ceremony over the weekend, some
Speaker 1: thoughts on that. We're also gonna have a segment the
Speaker 1: Week one game that catches our eyes already. Don't tell
Speaker 1: me it's too early. We can get excited already for
Speaker 1: Week one. But before we do all that, let's let's
Speaker 1: get into what we're hearing presented by Sirius XM. Let's
Speaker 1: do some news. My rain Now, I got an eight
Speaker 1: year old some team, so I'm gonna go play with
Speaker 1: myself today. So see how I feel that came out weird.
Speaker 1: I love Quentin Williams the Jets. Uh, I just hope
Speaker 1: he never changes the best. He remains funny and that's
Speaker 1: a big skill. Like not like every almost every other
Speaker 1: NFL player would take himself almost too serious to even
Speaker 1: make that commented. There's time for him yet. Uh, Let's
Speaker 1: go to another NFL player who takes himself you have
Speaker 1: somewhat seriously Tom Brady, and he should. I mean, you
Speaker 1: win six Super Bowls, you should be able to take
Speaker 1: yourself seriously. You should be able to get paid handsomely,
Speaker 1: and he is now he is getting a eight million
Speaker 1: dollar raise for two thousand and nineteen as part of
Speaker 1: a three year contract extension. That's not really an extension.
Speaker 1: The deal will void on the last day of the
Speaker 1: new league year, which is March seventeen, twenty. According to
Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport, uh so he'll be a free agent in
Speaker 1: potentially What do you guys make of Tom Brady's newest contract. Boy,
Speaker 1: he doesn't want the franchise tag or the transition tag
Speaker 1: to be in play for next season. That's right, that's
Speaker 1: part of the deal. That's part of the deal. So
Speaker 1: the way rap sheet put it, hurt a little bit
Speaker 1: for both sides to do this deal, but they both
Speaker 1: It helped both sides a little bit because they both
Speaker 1: got what they wanted, is a way rap she put it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it definitely helps the Patriots, because you don't
Speaker 1: I think that Brady has been vastly underpaid for a
Speaker 1: very long time. And I also have always wondered if
Speaker 1: he had married just a normal, normal civilian woman as
Speaker 1: opposed to a supermodel, if he might have asked for
Speaker 1: more money. Going back a long way, but at this point,
Speaker 1: like they don't need to be trapped or yanked into
Speaker 1: guaranteed money or future money that may not be there
Speaker 1: for a player himself and makes sense. And ultimately, when
Speaker 1: you've got somebody that's forty two years old, this is
Speaker 1: We've seen a little bit of this with the way
Speaker 1: that Drew brees Is contract has been handled. It's almost
Speaker 1: the exact same things, just less money. And so it's
Speaker 1: something that yeah, not every NFL play you can do it,
Speaker 1: but not every NFL player is going to be able
Speaker 1: to play into their early forties in late thirties in
Speaker 1: the situation. And I just want to see that second,
Speaker 1: like that five seconds where we actually think that Tom
Speaker 1: Brady is going to be a free agent, like if
Speaker 1: if people are gonna like send flights, you know, Like
Speaker 1: remember I was trying to, you know, stir it up
Speaker 1: when Drew brees was getting closer, and it did feel
Speaker 1: like there was like a one in twenty chance. And
Speaker 1: I believe that with Tom Brady. I I think Patricia
Speaker 1: is going to be on his It's it's shocking how
Speaker 1: many things we say on this podcast and on TV
Speaker 1: of like where we are just we say with utter
Speaker 1: confidence when the NFL has treated us, you never say
Speaker 1: never against anything. Is it possible that Tom Brady could
Speaker 1: play for another team with a number of different circumstances.
Speaker 1: I think it's possible. I think it's very unlikely. But
Speaker 1: I think this contract was interesting in that giving a
Speaker 1: guy a raise, just an eight million dollar raise, out
Speaker 1: of nowhere, is rare. But that's what the Patriots did
Speaker 1: with Tom Brady a year ago. And setting up the
Speaker 1: contract so that he's gonna hit free agency almost no
Speaker 1: matter what, they can't sign him to another contract before
Speaker 1: then is really rare. And I think it's both sides
Speaker 1: a little bit staring each other down that I think
Speaker 1: Tom Brady would like to have more guaranteed money, but
Speaker 1: he's not really committing to playing past this year. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's He's told the Patriots he's definitely doing that,
Speaker 1: and I think Bill Belichick likes the idea that if
Speaker 1: he gets hurt or if he's terrible in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: that they could cut him or that they wouldn't bring
Speaker 1: him back. I think or that it would reach a
Speaker 1: natural end. I think he likes that that out. I
Speaker 1: think that's all part of it, doesn't this particular relationship,
Speaker 1: it's it's also you want to call it unprecedent. It's
Speaker 1: different than any other quarterback team relationship because I think
Speaker 1: that Tom Brady, maybe he's a little peeve not on,
Speaker 1: you know, not publicly to get that extension has a
Speaker 1: relationship with Robert Kraft where no one's gonna do the
Speaker 1: other side wrong. I would love to see like Mike
Speaker 1: rabel sneak in and like make a call and pull
Speaker 1: Tom Brady down to Tennessee for a year or something.
Speaker 1: But I just don't think it's going. Yeah, the streets
Speaker 1: would would actually run red with blood, like there would
Speaker 1: be there would be real consequences for Tom Brady playing
Speaker 1: somewhere else, and uh, I just why not. I can't imagine.
Speaker 1: He was a little plus. So he spoke to the
Speaker 1: media before Ian's report about the avoidable years came out,
Speaker 1: and listening to him, I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: he's a little ambivalent about this. He said, it is
Speaker 1: what it is. That's a good line, and then he
Speaker 1: has a big pause, almost thinking what he's gonna say.
Speaker 1: Whoever said it, it's very pertinent. Like I said, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of guys who have one year left on
Speaker 1: his contract. So the situation is I've got one year
Speaker 1: to go and we'll see what happens. And he said,
Speaker 1: I'm basically like any other player that's having to prove himself,
Speaker 1: you know, and he's on a year to year basis,
Speaker 1: and that's that's probably been true of Brady for a
Speaker 1: year or two, the way that Bill Belichick is. But
Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting because the way that it
Speaker 1: was presented in the media and even from Brady. Last week,
Speaker 1: Tom Current had a really smart piece that Belichick almost
Speaker 1: puts this to the side like Brady put it on Craft.
Speaker 1: And I think this has worked out. And there's no
Speaker 1: way to know this, but reading between the lines, I
Speaker 1: think this has worked out between Brady and Craft, and
Speaker 1: Belichick is fine with that because it's Tom Brady. But
Speaker 1: it's almost like there's a little bit of something still
Speaker 1: going on there. I think on the spectrum of wanting
Speaker 1: to talk about money, you've got Jalen Ramsey and his
Speaker 1: Brinks truck, and you know, megaphones. And then on the
Speaker 1: other end, you've got Tom Brady at the end of
Speaker 1: his career, not wanting to have it be a big
Speaker 1: news item. Probably this is the same guy who voluntarily
Speaker 1: move seven million and guarantees to twenty four million and
Speaker 1: non guarantees a few years ago. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: don't buy that he's like really ticked off at the
Speaker 1: Patriots with you. I'm not saying that either, but I
Speaker 1: think I think in a perfect world, this contract in
Speaker 1: his world, any contract negotiation, that's typical that someone wants
Speaker 1: more than they get, and I think he wanted more
Speaker 1: than than he maybe got in this in this case.
Speaker 1: But as Mark said, it's a unique situation. And if
Speaker 1: if we wanted to start the Greg Rosendaal and Patrick
Speaker 1: clay Bond Performance Weightlifting Center, it would be tough for
Speaker 1: us to put it in Patriot Place, you know, hundreds
Speaker 1: of feet aways from stadium. I mean, for multiple reasons.
Speaker 1: But but the TV twelve Performance Center is there, and
Speaker 1: it's it's there because the relationship between Tom and it's
Speaker 1: pretty good, and well, yeah, they're partners for life. I
Speaker 1: mean that that was the thing that Errol Thomas said
Speaker 1: about Pete Carroll. I don't know if I think this
Speaker 1: was public essentially, like this guy's essentially torching our relationship.
Speaker 1: When we're gonna be partners for life, We're gonna be
Speaker 1: champions for life. We're gonna be meeting and doing sponsorship
Speaker 1: things and getting together with the twentieth Anniversary team. And
Speaker 1: that's Earl Thomas and Pete Carroll, like Bill Bell, especially
Speaker 1: Robert Craft and Tom Brady are essentially business partners for
Speaker 1: the next Here's where I could see it get thorny
Speaker 1: is when Tom Brady comes for Scott Zola's color analyst job.
Speaker 1: That's when it gets ugly. I I just I want
Speaker 1: to see Tom. You know, if Tom Brady just has
Speaker 1: an believable season and then he gets the free agency
Speaker 1: and just holds the Patriots over a barrel, I think,
Speaker 1: why are you rooting for? Why are you rooting for?
Speaker 1: This consternation between the two. It's like an abusive relationship
Speaker 1: with no I think. I just think if anyone deserves
Speaker 1: a little bit of just break all the rules, it's
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, you know what I mean, Like, just give him,
Speaker 1: just give him the guaranteed money. Mess up your salary
Speaker 1: cap a little next year, that Tom Brady built. Tom
Speaker 1: Brady built that. What are you talking about? How big
Speaker 1: does y'all have to be? The fairytale ending to a
Speaker 1: true underdog story Tom Brady another underdog story. Thinking Gockway,
Speaker 1: I mean, who was talking about him as a third
Speaker 1: round pick a few years ago. Now he's one of
Speaker 1: the best pass rushers in the league. He ended his
Speaker 1: holdout over the weekend with the Jaguars and he said,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to play, and he's not expecting to get
Speaker 1: a new contract. He'll play for about two million dollars
Speaker 1: this year in the fourth year of his rookie deal.
Speaker 1: Patrick clay On little Um. Unfortunately within SoundBite when he
Speaker 1: came back, he invoked it is what it is, which
Speaker 1: I always can't stand. But um, the holdout kind of
Speaker 1: answered his question, like if the Jags wanted to commit
Speaker 1: to him long term, they could have done it, but
Speaker 1: they don't. They draft Josh Allen in the first round
Speaker 1: and it kind of seems like he's on his way out.
Speaker 1: But in terms of production sack production, his numbers are
Speaker 1: up there in the first three years with with Bosa
Speaker 1: and Khalil Mack. I mean, they're better. What well, he's
Speaker 1: He's not nearly the run stuffer than any of these
Speaker 1: guys are. Yeah, his production elsewhere isn't that so that's
Speaker 1: his problem. But they have They had him out there
Speaker 1: for seventy of the snaps last year, so it's not
Speaker 1: like he's some situational guy. But if they do want
Speaker 1: to extend him, but he wants twenty million instead of
Speaker 1: say it sounded like they were approaching twenty million even
Speaker 1: with the guarantees, he probably, if I'm him, you would
Speaker 1: want to have de Ford contract or better. He's been
Speaker 1: a better player than d Ford consistently. Uh My, And
Speaker 1: I think Jack's really because I wouldn't just because he's
Speaker 1: had one year out of four where where he helped
Speaker 1: your team, he had about one and a half. He
Speaker 1: had half of them playing at approval level in two
Speaker 1: different seasons. I think the jagguards would assigned him to
Speaker 1: this contract if it wasn't for Blake Bortles and Blake
Speaker 1: Jackson and Telvin Smith. I mean, they have twenty five
Speaker 1: million dollars in dead money that Tom Coughlan's basically burned
Speaker 1: of shod coins. I mean they're paying you know they were,
Speaker 1: they were paying Blake Bortles more money than the Patriots
Speaker 1: were paying Tom Brady going into this weekend before that race.
Speaker 1: So like they've they've wasted a lot of their money.
Speaker 1: They have some cap issues, and uh, I think that
Speaker 1: that got in his way. But eventually he'll get paid.
Speaker 1: He reminds me a little bit of de Marcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: who had to wait next year. But then I think
Speaker 1: situationally got more. Yeah, got more money than he would
Speaker 1: have Anyways. Another man who's who has made a lot
Speaker 1: of money, m not enough if you ask me, is
Speaker 1: your son's namesake, Mark Sessler, Coult McCoy, Cole McCoy has
Speaker 1: made a lot of money. He I mean he's made
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, well that's true. He's Yeah. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say he's probably made more and I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, than all of the generations of our families
Speaker 1: going back two hundred years. I would guess, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Uh, he's made a lot of money,
Speaker 1: called McCoy. We haven't opened the books on claib on yet,
Speaker 1: but I'm assuming that's true. Yeah, I don't think we're
Speaker 1: getting too that's a lot. He's on top of the
Speaker 1: Redskins depth chart. Uh, they make them release a depth
Speaker 1: chart before the first preseason week. Are you excited, Mark Ssler?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, if anything, called McCoy has earned
Speaker 1: the trust of the coaching staff and is the perfect
Speaker 1: guy to slot in in this position for your first
Speaker 1: depth chart, which I feel like we've learned over the
Speaker 1: years here meets means literally nothing at all. I think
Speaker 1: if you're if you're Jake Rude and you want that,
Speaker 1: you want you want Dwayne Haskins to shine in the preseason,
Speaker 1: take the week one starting job and save Jake Gruden's job.
Speaker 1: Called McCoy is not saving any job. Did you see
Speaker 1: Jake Ruden's quotes on this? I did not. I'm not
Speaker 1: allowed to read Jake Cruden's I think, right, I'm not
Speaker 1: allowed to read Jake Glazer because of Dan. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's early and I was forced to make it. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have made a depth chart right now, there's no
Speaker 1: reason to. It's silly. It's words on a piece of paper,
Speaker 1: names on a piece of paper, and in order that
Speaker 1: means nothing at this point. So is he is he
Speaker 1: rebelling against the conversation by doing this? I think so?
Speaker 1: I mean's rebelling against I know I think that they
Speaker 1: make them do it for the preseason game, because a
Speaker 1: lot of them go out of their way to just
Speaker 1: make them total nonsense, like some of these there's guys
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of one on the I think it was
Speaker 1: alliances played like guys playing completely different positions and they're
Speaker 1: still listed at their old positions, like Colt McCoy by
Speaker 1: all accounts, actually has probably been third in terms of
Speaker 1: first team reps that case, Keenum has probably had the
Speaker 1: most and Haskins probably the next most. But they are
Speaker 1: roadsating author I mean, I would argue the Lions should
Speaker 1: spend less time on death chart antics and maybe more
Speaker 1: on producing the team. That is, should this be mandated
Speaker 1: if only half the coaches are even following the spirit
Speaker 1: of the rule, It's a good question. I I I've
Speaker 1: had this theory though back. I like it because it's
Speaker 1: supporting something I've written about a couple of times this
Speaker 1: offseason that I think Coulte McCoy has got a pretty
Speaker 1: good chance to start Week one. Not because of this,
Speaker 1: but I just think Jay Gruden's probably looks at it
Speaker 1: like this is my last chance to start, quote McCoy
Speaker 1: week one, and I've always wanted to like, there's a
Speaker 1: reason I keep paying him six million dollars. I like them,
Speaker 1: and it just feels like Haskin is gonna come in
Speaker 1: week three or four for someone. But if I'm Jay Gruden,
Speaker 1: I probably just wanted to be Cauote McCoy, not Case Keen.
Speaker 1: But hold on though a year ago, that's like, you know,
Speaker 1: the Browns started Tyrod Taylor and where the coaching staff
Speaker 1: was has been flamed since for not starting the better player.
Speaker 1: What if the rookie comes in in week three, Brown
Speaker 1: could not open the competition if Haskins is truly just
Speaker 1: blowing the doors off and he's he's gonna start. But
Speaker 1: I just think Gruden loves McCoy and probably sees it
Speaker 1: like I'm going to prove everyone right. This is why
Speaker 1: I have kept him for something. He's running out of
Speaker 1: time to love these decisions. That's all you better start
Speaker 1: the better quarterback. That's the Brown situation is much similar
Speaker 1: to the Giants, where they've just decided it's Eli's job
Speaker 1: the other guy can't compete for. It is close to that. Disturbingly,
Speaker 1: Remember it was back when Case was acquired there was
Speaker 1: the storyline that that was a surprise to Jay that
Speaker 1: he wasn't necessarily involved in those discussions, and Haskins was
Speaker 1: a little bit, and then Dwayne was the same situation.
Speaker 1: So I can see Jay, a guy who would create
Speaker 1: a fraudulent depth chart to stick it to the people,
Speaker 1: would also just start the quarterback to stick it to
Speaker 1: the front office that he seems to be in constant
Speaker 1: consternation with the despite the fact that he's one of
Speaker 1: the long total suicide mission at this point, didn't it
Speaker 1: feel like, oh, these guys had a thirty or three
Speaker 1: percent chance when camp opened. That's what it felt like
Speaker 1: that I don't remember ever having a quarterback competition where
Speaker 1: it was even across the board. Cruden has spoken glowingly
Speaker 1: about Houston. Yeah, I think Haskins has a little better
Speaker 1: than the other guys, just because if he excels in
Speaker 1: the pre season, they're going to start with those people
Speaker 1: who love case man, they love I mean they yeah,
Speaker 1: and they of them they can't they can't. Uh. They
Speaker 1: combined to make less than ten million dollars. So when
Speaker 1: you know, according to everyone who says, well the key
Speaker 1: is having you're a quarterback on a rookie contract, that
Speaker 1: the Redskins should be the best team. All right, So
Speaker 1: that's that's the news. We're gonna get to some of
Speaker 1: the quieter elements of camp news uh a little later
Speaker 1: with eight o'clock to light. But we did have some
Speaker 1: sad news that we found out over the weekend. A
Speaker 1: couple of people passed away in the NFL world. The
Speaker 1: first coming really to light when the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: ceremony was happening in Cannon, and that was Cliff Branch,
Speaker 1: the great Oakland Raiders receiver, passing away at the age
Speaker 1: of seventy one. And the timing, I mean, he had
Speaker 1: fourteen seasons. Uh. A lot of people that saw him
Speaker 1: play believe he's one of the most underrated play as ever.
Speaker 1: And he was maybe the first name I thought of
Speaker 1: when the news was announced last week that they're gonna
Speaker 1: open up the Hall of Fame class to twenty people,
Speaker 1: and people immediately said, oh, now here's Tory Holtz, chance
Speaker 1: Isaac No, the modern era candidates. That's not changing at all.
Speaker 1: It's five, just like normal. But what they're gonna do
Speaker 1: is bringing ten players that have been passed over that
Speaker 1: normally would go to the Seniors Committee. And Cliff Brand
Speaker 1: who was an all decades player I believe to me
Speaker 1: is probably one of the highest guys on that list.
Speaker 1: And I and I suspect will be entering Kenton and
Speaker 1: it's and it's sad that it's going to be posthumous.
Speaker 1: He passed away at the age of seventy one, one
Speaker 1: of the best deep threats in NFL history, the best
Speaker 1: wide receiver in the NFL from nine to seventy six
Speaker 1: at a time when receiving stats were way low because
Speaker 1: it was before the mel Blent mel Blunt role and
Speaker 1: cornerback could just take you out down the field. Um,
Speaker 1: but he was. He was their best offensive weapon on
Speaker 1: those mad And era Raiders that seemed to be fighting.
Speaker 1: The Steelers were right to go to the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: every year. And it was it was Madden who because
Speaker 1: a lot of people feel like he has been kept
Speaker 1: out of the Hall of Fame unfairly for a long time,
Speaker 1: and to two for the reasons you just stayed at
Speaker 1: West And it was Madden who basically said it is
Speaker 1: going to happen to you. And this quote they found
Speaker 1: is is jarring because he basically said Cliff Cliff Branch said,
Speaker 1: I am not dying until I get in the Hall
Speaker 1: of fame. Once I get the call, get that gold
Speaker 1: jacket in that ring, I could die the next day,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to stay alive for that deserving honor
Speaker 1: to come my way. So I mean for it to happen.
Speaker 1: Probably about a year before it happens is ill timing,
Speaker 1: and and Cliff Branch kind of flies in the face
Speaker 1: of people who think about football before the nineties or
Speaker 1: in the early eighties is like, oh, you know guys
Speaker 1: who wouldn't necessarily be able to function in today's game.
Speaker 1: This is a guy who was about six ft like
Speaker 1: eighty pounds, ran a ten flat one in college, Like
Speaker 1: this was an explosive dude. He ever seventeenth point three
Speaker 1: yards per catch for his career. There is a i
Speaker 1: year period where he led the NFL and receiving, And
Speaker 1: that's why it's so tricky to look back at numbers
Speaker 1: and it's like, of course, he has like way less
Speaker 1: numbers than let's say, like Steve Smith Jr. Has or something.
Speaker 1: But when he led the NFL and receiving for five years,
Speaker 1: it's basically like a dead ball era, Like the baseball
Speaker 1: has a dead ball era where there wasn't home runs.
Speaker 1: The NFL had that with passing, and you can't you
Speaker 1: can't hold that against Cliff Brands. It's cool that the
Speaker 1: Raiders wore his number today at practice as a tribute
Speaker 1: um and then another passing unfortunately that happened this weekend.
Speaker 1: That we learned about on Sunday was former Sports Illustrated
Speaker 1: writer Don Banks, who I think all of us know
Speaker 1: or I know Weston and Mark no in this room
Speaker 1: personally kind of came out of nowhere. He was in
Speaker 1: Canton covering the Hall of Fame ceremonies for the Las
Speaker 1: Vegas Review Journal where his first column actually debuted on
Speaker 1: on Sunday, and they found him in his room and
Speaker 1: passed away of natural causes. Really sad like that, like
Speaker 1: one of the nicest guy, one of the guys where
Speaker 1: you know when I was starting at Rhoda World and NBC,
Speaker 1: just like a bigger national guy that goes out of
Speaker 1: his way to ask if you need anything and and
Speaker 1: kept up a relationship over the years when like he
Speaker 1: didn't have to do that. Now there aren't in this
Speaker 1: in the in the world that we working in sports.
Speaker 1: I think like sports writers or get a bad reputation
Speaker 1: for being jerks a lot of times and I find
Speaker 1: that to be untrue. Often a lot of the older
Speaker 1: guys are some of the competitiveness. They see it from
Speaker 1: a different perspective. And and and you know when the
Speaker 1: news hit, and it was it was yesterday when you
Speaker 1: found out, like one person after the after the next
Speaker 1: tweeted about their personal run with Don Banks, where they
Speaker 1: might have been fighting with him for a story or
Speaker 1: just learning the ropes age gender. It didn't matter what
Speaker 1: where they were in their career. He he was. There's
Speaker 1: all these stories about him lending a helping hand unselfishly.
Speaker 1: And I had this one night and I didn't know
Speaker 1: him very well at all, But there was a night
Speaker 1: when I was covering the Browns and it was right
Speaker 1: after the Hall of Fame, and I was in Cleveland,
Speaker 1: and I saw him in a hotel lob and they
Speaker 1: wanted to walk up and talk to him, but he
Speaker 1: was with his son and he was having this what
Speaker 1: I could tell, this amazing conversation with his son, who
Speaker 1: one of his sons as a journalist now, so I
Speaker 1: don't know which one it was. He has two sons
Speaker 1: in there, like eight in their teens or twenties. He
Speaker 1: was with them and brought him to these events, and
Speaker 1: it just seemed like they were having this awesome dad's
Speaker 1: son moment. I'm like, I'm not gonna go interrupt that
Speaker 1: right now, but it is this thing where when this happens,
Speaker 1: like he's left behind two boys who are not young children.
Speaker 1: But I remember being twenties something and I still needed
Speaker 1: my dad a hundred times since. And that's that's where
Speaker 1: it just it hurts a lot. Well, we talked about
Speaker 1: the shame of of the timing with Cliff Cliff Branch
Speaker 1: you might get into the Hall of Fame at a
Speaker 1: time when he can't even savor that spotlight. And Don
Speaker 1: Banks the timing on a guy who was a magazine
Speaker 1: writer in the Internet era and had to kind of
Speaker 1: remarket himself in his fifties and here out what he
Speaker 1: was gonna do with his life and how he was
Speaker 1: going to remain relevant. He finally got his I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say his dream job, but he got the job with
Speaker 1: Las Vegas Review Journal writing for the NFL an overview
Speaker 1: of the league, and his first column came out Sunday
Speaker 1: about hard Knocks. It's a really good column about what
Speaker 1: the Raiders coaches now face that the Browns coaches and
Speaker 1: he told Peter King, I'm back, baby, and then that
Speaker 1: was that day he didn't wake up the Dodd Banks
Speaker 1: passed away at the age of a fifty seven. We
Speaker 1: you know, we sent our thoughts to to his family
Speaker 1: and all his close friends and and that news happened
Speaker 1: in Canton. I mean, he was there in Canton. It
Speaker 1: was a sad cap to the week on weekend, which was,
Speaker 1: you know, a very sad weekend in this country in general.
Speaker 1: But but in Canton there were great moments and you know,
Speaker 1: there were as always it's cool to see, uh, the
Speaker 1: guys getting getting their bus and how seeing how much
Speaker 1: it means to them and the interaction between the Hall
Speaker 1: of famers and then hearing them speak. Patrick, did you
Speaker 1: have any takeaways, uh, watching the ceremony on Saturday, the
Speaker 1: I guess my takeaway was either, I I understand the
Speaker 1: Hall a little bit more as the guys that I
Speaker 1: associate with my adolescence and my coming to football as
Speaker 1: they start to make it in And I've I've always
Speaker 1: felt that Edred and Champ Bailey were some of the
Speaker 1: best football players that I've ever seen, and to to
Speaker 1: see them up there on that stage, it was kind
Speaker 1: of like, I'm starting to get it a little bit
Speaker 1: more because I've seen the Hall and the constern nation
Speaker 1: with with t O and there's other things that have
Speaker 1: pushed me away from maybe leaning into it as as
Speaker 1: much as as other people have. But now I see
Speaker 1: it more. You know that these are the jerseys that
Speaker 1: I had, the guys that that I wanted to watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had because not that I was this Miami fan,
Speaker 1: but in the Boston College game, uh in two thousand one,
Speaker 1: when it was close Boston Colleges on the twenty, they
Speaker 1: throw an interception to a D lineman and Ed Reid
Speaker 1: takes it from him in the most like impossibly dangerous sitsu,
Speaker 1: like what are you doing and returns it for a touchdown.
Speaker 1: And it's like that's the yes, that that's that's what
Speaker 1: I want for myself, and so um yeah, to see
Speaker 1: those guys go in and obviously the way Champ Bailey
Speaker 1: ended his speech, um, you know, imploring people to listen
Speaker 1: uh to us when we when we say this is
Speaker 1: what's happening in the world, to to at least listen.
Speaker 1: And I appreciate that because I mean, as you guys know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm probably people would probably say that the way
Speaker 1: I feel about things are extreme, and so whenever guys
Speaker 1: can bridge that gap and make it a little more
Speaker 1: easy for people to accept the way I feel about
Speaker 1: our planet. Um. I like that, So shout out to
Speaker 1: Champ for that. That was the number one moment for
Speaker 1: me was Champ Bailey speech, and specifically that part of
Speaker 1: it mentions like you're used to seeing us size and
Speaker 1: aggression football players, especially the black football players. And here
Speaker 1: he is with a forum asking humbly, very humbly, when
Speaker 1: we tell you there are many challenges we face because
Speaker 1: of the color our skin, please listen. Um, when we
Speaker 1: when we say about our fears and our fears for
Speaker 1: our children, please listen. And I was raised white Catholic. Well,
Speaker 1: there was one black kid in my high school. Um,
Speaker 1: no Jews, no Hispanics. There was one Democrat in my
Speaker 1: grade school class. It was the opposite of diversity. And
Speaker 1: moving to Los Angeles, to me, my favorite part of
Speaker 1: California is that diversity. You can talk about the web
Speaker 1: they're the scenery is the diversity and getting to speak
Speaker 1: to people and listening. My friends I grew up with
Speaker 1: are good people, but they don't have diversity in their lives,
Speaker 1: so they don't even get a chance to really listen.
Speaker 1: Two friends, two loved ones. They listened to politicians, they
Speaker 1: listen to people on TV. But to me, that was
Speaker 1: a very important part of our national discussion. Please listen.
Speaker 1: They have they have stories to tell that you will
Speaker 1: never know. I thought the other stories that were told
Speaker 1: as well that well, I feel like you learn if
Speaker 1: it's someone even if you think you know who Ed
Speaker 1: Reid is. And there's a lot of content about Ed
Speaker 1: read over the years. Like I just loved hearing how
Speaker 1: he got even to college into the NFL, and he
Speaker 1: you know, he points out someone like his teacher, Miss Hall,
Speaker 1: who he'd lived with for a while and who saw
Speaker 1: him through so much. He didn't He went out of
Speaker 1: his way to name every equipment manager that he worked with,
Speaker 1: which I thought he was a completest in sense of
Speaker 1: his thankfulness. And he dug in so deep with his
Speaker 1: mom and his dad, you know, raised and west maybe
Speaker 1: think of little bit like he was in a one
Speaker 1: bedroom apartment with four boys. That wasn't your case, but
Speaker 1: you had you had six other brothers. That's a lot.
Speaker 1: I have two boys in my house and I feel
Speaker 1: like that the roofs popping off all the time. But
Speaker 1: Ed Reid just showed this incredible appreciation and even the
Speaker 1: barber and you know, we think we know, for instance,
Speaker 1: like who Chuck Pagano is based on his minor run
Speaker 1: with the Cults, and we've we've got the book on
Speaker 1: Chuck Bagano, and then you hear from Ed Reid that
Speaker 1: it was Chuck Bagano that taught that recruited him, that
Speaker 1: that fostered relationship with him, that taught him how to
Speaker 1: be a dB first. It's like these guys, and it
Speaker 1: hits a little bit on gilbrand To telling little stories
Speaker 1: about Bill Belichick catching passes from stall back on the
Speaker 1: you know, during practice when his father was around, and
Speaker 1: stuff that Gilbrandt had all these little innuendos and people
Speaker 1: that he wove into it as well their history. These
Speaker 1: guys have been down around the game for forty fifty years.
Speaker 1: You gotta take a step back when you've only been
Speaker 1: looking at it and covering it for a shorter amount
Speaker 1: of time. From the outside, they know things will never
Speaker 1: know and I've seen things will never see and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm glad that they have this form for him to
Speaker 1: do this because like football culture kind of states that
Speaker 1: you should keep your nose to the grindstone and just
Speaker 1: say the exact thing that you're doing. And it sucks
Speaker 1: that we have to wait five years until after Champ
Speaker 1: Bailey retires for him to provide his thoughts on this
Speaker 1: topic or any topic in particular. I wish there was
Speaker 1: and maybe maybe it's different now with social media and
Speaker 1: we're able to get this, but it just feels unfortunate
Speaker 1: that we have to wait so long to be exposed
Speaker 1: to these great ideas and great men um until until
Speaker 1: this point. But most of them had no forum, they
Speaker 1: did not have Twitter, they did not have any way
Speaker 1: to communicate anything else. There's always like there's always like
Speaker 1: an awkward or funny moment and I'm gonna have Erica
Speaker 1: play play the one from d Reid that really stuck
Speaker 1: out to me. I like to thank that organization. Steve
Speaker 1: Ozzy Newsome, Belichick staff staff. It's tough because it's just
Speaker 1: he meant to say, Brian Billick, that's fine. He meant
Speaker 1: to say, that's it's tough because if you're you're up there,
Speaker 1: and he's going to realize that afterwards and he's gonna
Speaker 1: he's gonna be annoyed about It's like, but you can't,
Speaker 1: you can't change, you can't take it back. That's it.
Speaker 1: That was Brian Billis. That was it that I alsought
Speaker 1: Reid was getting like booed here and there. Reid was
Speaker 1: getting booed here and there by a heavy Brown's crowd
Speaker 1: in Canton, Ohio crowd. And also, I mean, you got
Speaker 1: Bengals fans coming up, and he basically said, listen, I
Speaker 1: love brown the Browns, and the Bengals. I respect those organizations.
Speaker 1: You guys gave me thirty interceptions. He's like, it's not
Speaker 1: my fault. You kept changing quarterbacks, and like, come on,
Speaker 1: this guy is a good sport. Like I thought, his
Speaker 1: speech was my favorite of the group. I I my
Speaker 1: favorite was Ty Laws, which shouldn't be a surprise. Like
Speaker 1: a lot of Patriots fans, Ty Law was the favorite,
Speaker 1: my favorite player on the two thousand one team, uh
Speaker 1: that that won their first Super Bowl. And I thought
Speaker 1: it was so cool that he is the first guy
Speaker 1: in from all those Patriots teams to the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: even that was almost twenty years ago that they won
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl. But he's the first one, and I
Speaker 1: just find it delightful because there's no one There's been
Speaker 1: no one else in Patriots history like like ty Law.
Speaker 1: It's funny because he talked a little bit about the
Speaker 1: Patriot way. I mean, if there's ever a player that
Speaker 1: did not fit what they talked about with the Patriot way,
Speaker 1: it's ty Law. I mean, it's thy laws way. Ty
Speaker 1: Law was drafted by Bill Parcels. He was an All
Speaker 1: Pro and probably played his best football under Pete Carroll.
Speaker 1: And he made sure uh to to mention Pete Carroll
Speaker 1: and how important Pete Carroll was to him. And then
Speaker 1: he wanted two super bowls with Bill Belichick and so
Speaker 1: that's like the start of modern Patriots history. And he
Speaker 1: had all those three guys, and he was a badass,
Speaker 1: and he talked about how Belichick would let him do
Speaker 1: it his way and that, you know, after a couple
Speaker 1: of mistakes, then you come and do it my way,
Speaker 1: you know. And he was a guy who kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, it was cocky and physical and confident. He's
Speaker 1: the guy that got Bill Belichick and Robert Craft to
Speaker 1: dance on the stage in two thousand one. He's the
Speaker 1: one that didn't like quite fit in. But he was
Speaker 1: also the best player on that team and he was
Speaker 1: the leader, I would say, of that defense in two
Speaker 1: thousand and one. And because of that, maybe that's why
Speaker 1: you know, Belichick said by for for kind of the
Speaker 1: end of his career, but watching him play like he
Speaker 1: he was the embodiment to me of Parcels almost on
Speaker 1: the field. When when Parcels was a coach and he
Speaker 1: came in with that sort of cockiness and changed the
Speaker 1: whole franchise like Taylaw changed it on the field, he
Speaker 1: was a man. He said that Bill Parcels threatened to
Speaker 1: cut him as one of the only first round cuts
Speaker 1: in camp if he didn't get his act together too.
Speaker 1: So it's funny to hear because DeMarcus Ware has Bill
Speaker 1: Parcels stories as well. It's funny how many great players
Speaker 1: have like a Bill Parcels was threatening me, I'll be
Speaker 1: another Hall of Famer either he's not there good or
Speaker 1: his sister Jack. Well, yeah he did. Yeah, It's like
Speaker 1: in a million years he would have never cut tail off.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's just Other coaches might have more wins
Speaker 1: and more Super Bowls, but to me and Marks the
Speaker 1: same age, he's the iconic coach from that era. The
Speaker 1: writers all loved him because no one spoke like Bill
Speaker 1: part nobody's as funny as him, nobody says candid as him,
Speaker 1: and the players all loved him. Yeah, he said it.
Speaker 1: He like built part Law said, Parcels was the guy
Speaker 1: that got inside my head and motivated me. And Belichick
Speaker 1: is the one that just like gave me the x
Speaker 1: is and oh so a great Hall of Fame ceremony.
Speaker 1: As you mentioned, Gil brant Um did a great job
Speaker 1: thanking everyone on his speed. Everyone else thought he could
Speaker 1: have maybe be mentioned. I mean, we've worked on him
Speaker 1: for a while. But you know, this is the part
Speaker 1: of the show where if Dan was here, he would
Speaker 1: be saying, this is the longest news segment we've ever had,
Speaker 1: And you know what, it's not even over because it's
Speaker 1: time for a little eight o'clock the light. Ricky Houston,
Speaker 1: Texans cut two thous in seventeen third round pick Dante
Speaker 1: Foreman West. What do you think. No running back has
Speaker 1: come back successfully from an achilles surgery in the history
Speaker 1: of the NFL. It should also be noted that no
Speaker 1: star running back has ever suffered an achilles injury in
Speaker 1: the NFL kesh Antonio Brown has barely practiced that Raiders
Speaker 1: Camp's got a foot issue. Had to check out a specialist.
Speaker 1: Patrick Claiban, what's your level of concern here, um heavy?
Speaker 1: I guess blisters are a pain and like when do
Speaker 1: you when did they get fixed? Like it just takes time,
Speaker 1: so you can't do anything untill he can use his beat.
Speaker 1: Not a not a good looking foot right now, Josh Rose.
Speaker 1: And he's a nice looking young man and he had
Speaker 1: a nice scrimmage on Saturday, apparently had some big throws.
Speaker 1: This competition is not over yet, Marks. I mean, you
Speaker 1: think he must have heard it to our show on
Speaker 1: Friday where we kind of said, let's go, let's get
Speaker 1: this guy going. And if he's not starting week one,
Speaker 1: I think it's a major disappointment. He's a second year,
Speaker 1: first round quarterback. Please quest your boy, Lavante David underwent surgeries,
Speaker 1: Gonna be out a few weeks, big difference maker for
Speaker 1: that defense and meniscus surgery. That's something that stays with
Speaker 1: you through your career, and I believe it's what ended
Speaker 1: Tory Holtz career. That is a young young defense in Tampa.
Speaker 1: The pat signed Cam Meredith I liked him when he
Speaker 1: signed in New Orleans. Who knows if he's healthy. Nice,
Speaker 1: I would now like to uh issue a public apology
Speaker 1: to uh, what is his first name? Grugier Hill. Gruzier Hill,
Speaker 1: you were supposed to be part of eight o'clock Delight.
Speaker 1: Took a lot of notes there, But if this is
Speaker 1: the timing, do we really need to go back? So sorry,
Speaker 1: Let's see where we are in a week with that situation.
Speaker 1: We have a segment and uh it's called the Week
Speaker 1: one Game. I don't know should we workshop the segment?
Speaker 1: We don't. I mean in terms of the title, like
Speaker 1: this would be a good time with a good title here.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's ultimately the Week one game that catches
Speaker 1: my eye. You know, it's it's early, it's August. We've
Speaker 1: kind of got this long training camp in front of us,
Speaker 1: still four weeks of the preseason left to go. We're
Speaker 1: actually guys, I don't know if you know this. The
Speaker 1: NFL season is twenty eight weeks long. Were it starts
Speaker 1: with camp. We are through two weeks of it. Two weeks.
Speaker 1: I count that first week of training camp. That kind
Speaker 1: of gives it more perspective. I like that idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a little over half a year. We're through to
Speaker 1: the next four are some of the most challenging. Who
Speaker 1: needs to talk more about camp in the preseason. We'll
Speaker 1: do that plenty. Let's talk about the regular season and
Speaker 1: a game that is just getting us excited. Don't tell
Speaker 1: us it's too early. It's not too early. This is
Speaker 1: the first time I've gotten excited about football since probably
Speaker 1: last December. Really, what about the Patriots Chiefs Championship that
Speaker 1: was a great game, saying he's keeping it real? No,
Speaker 1: you at some point have The Super Bowl didn't really
Speaker 1: excite me, but but some of the playoff games. How
Speaker 1: about every game the Saints played basically satt one of
Speaker 1: the best. It was maybe the best game of the year.
Speaker 1: The Saints Eagles was a terrific game. And then the
Speaker 1: NFC Championship game was not the best game, but it
Speaker 1: was exciting. Both Saints Rams games were good. Yeah, come on,
Speaker 1: good stuff. West is excited again. I guess let's start
Speaker 1: with West. Then that that he has a week one game.
Speaker 1: What's getting you started? Well, so many different ways I
Speaker 1: could go, but let me start with Rams at Panthers.
Speaker 1: I like these matchups that kind of make a statement
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the year how good is this team?
Speaker 1: And I think the Panthers, I'm looking at them to
Speaker 1: be the Panthers that they were in the first half
Speaker 1: of last season when they looked like a legitimate playoff contender.
Speaker 1: And their defensive line is better now, some of their
Speaker 1: skill position players are better. So can a guy like
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel uh can he make a kind of leap
Speaker 1: like Christian McCaffrey did last year. So to me, that's
Speaker 1: a good LISTMAS litmus test. Going against the NFC representative
Speaker 1: from the Super Bowl, the Rams. I would not consider
Speaker 1: the Rams a heavy favorite in that game. I think
Speaker 1: it's a statement game for the Rams and a little
Speaker 1: tiny bit where like I know, the preseason is going
Speaker 1: to answer some questions, and I feel like the Rams
Speaker 1: of any team in the league has like we're gonna
Speaker 1: do this, but we're gonna tell you this all offseason.
Speaker 1: Just a lot of mixed messages. And they're the team
Speaker 1: with some mysteries still out there. Todd Gurley obviously, what
Speaker 1: will he his workload be. They've got Darryl Henderson in
Speaker 1: the backfield and Jared Goff. Let's have a huge game
Speaker 1: after a totally disappointing Super Bowl. But you're on the road,
Speaker 1: and I think as as I think it was Greg
Speaker 1: chronicling the early season Andrew Luck plan last year where
Speaker 1: he wasn't throwing deep as much. It was a notable
Speaker 1: difference from the way he played. It seems like Carolina
Speaker 1: might be heading down that path. I'll remember how freaked
Speaker 1: that way where when they brought in brist to throw
Speaker 1: the hell maryage. Yeah, it's we don't know if Andrew
Speaker 1: Luck will ever be Andrew Luck again, but he slowly
Speaker 1: worked himself back, and if you look at the timelines,
Speaker 1: I think it lines up with Cam where he might
Speaker 1: play like that to start the season. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: I would like to see because obviously we want to
Speaker 1: see Cam ripping fastballs to the sideline, but we're not
Speaker 1: going to see that in week one. I mean, I
Speaker 1: can't believe Cam's thirty. Doesn't Cam being thirty make you
Speaker 1: feel a little old? You know, we started the podcast
Speaker 1: about two years after he was drafted. It just feels
Speaker 1: like that doesn't make you feel there are almost everything
Speaker 1: in Cam Newton's age. He still looks your tracking ace
Speaker 1: bookies age. At this point, I mean, any moment on
Speaker 1: Twitter makes me feel ancient. I'll say that right off
Speaker 1: the bat. Yeah, I'm I'm more in on the Panthers
Speaker 1: cause of All or Nothing. And it just reminded me
Speaker 1: how since Cam's come in the league, of like just
Speaker 1: he's one of the most exciting players to watch, but
Speaker 1: now this new crop is here and it's like, don't
Speaker 1: forget about Cam. Do you know why people are down
Speaker 1: on this All or Nothing season? Well, Dan mentioned the
Speaker 1: timings a little off. They need to nail down that,
Speaker 1: but it's more about football than drama, and that's why
Speaker 1: people don't like it's a good show. Yeah, and the
Speaker 1: football is in the past. It is a good show.
Speaker 1: I think it suffers in comparison to Last Into You,
Speaker 1: which comes out at the same time, and maybe not
Speaker 1: many people watch both. I don't know. I watched both,
Speaker 1: and it's like Last Chance You. The steaks are so
Speaker 1: high that it just makes you know, whereas All or Nothing,
Speaker 1: it's like, I know it's professional and they're making a
Speaker 1: lot of money. It's like, but Last Dance You is
Speaker 1: so well done and asked some interesting questions about football
Speaker 1: in the world and everything and it's life or death
Speaker 1: and then all or nothing. It's like we're gonna win
Speaker 1: a game or not. Like it's hard to feel like
Speaker 1: that's that big of a deal. And you don't really
Speaker 1: have too many spoilers for junior college. But in terms
Speaker 1: of watching, in terms of watching the Panthers, you know,
Speaker 1: play the Falcons in week seven, it's like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know what happens here. Yeah, I I Usually half
Speaker 1: the time I'm watching these games, like whoen's this game?
Speaker 1: Kind of who won? Redskins Panthers? I had to watch
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Speaker 1: back to the segment. It's the Week one game that
Speaker 1: catches our eye that we're excited about, Mark, what's up.
Speaker 1: I think for me it's you know, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: fake that. All these games interested me. But it's Week one,
Speaker 1: so every team is new, so there is a part
Speaker 1: of there's an element of fascination. I want to see
Speaker 1: Detroit at Arizona. I can't believe I'm including Detroit in
Speaker 1: anything where I'd say I'm super into it. But it's
Speaker 1: two diametrically opposed philosophies. You feel like Detroit wants to
Speaker 1: run the ball as much as anyone in the league.
Speaker 1: They want to use the run, stuffing defense and just
Speaker 1: play an old school style of football. But then we're
Speaker 1: gonna get our first look at the Cardinals under Cliff
Speaker 1: Kingsbury running their four five wide offense and whatever happens,
Speaker 1: because I I'm hoping that even though you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to show some of it in the preseason, it won't
Speaker 1: be that unlike you know, and it's a totally different
Speaker 1: scheme than when Chip Kelly came in a Week one
Speaker 1: and no one still had any real idea what they
Speaker 1: were gonna do, and he flamed the Redskins for like
Speaker 1: thirty five points in the first half of Monday night
Speaker 1: football game. I just want to see what happens in
Speaker 1: this and if it works. I think the most interesting
Speaker 1: offense coming into the NFL this this year is Arizona.
Speaker 1: We've talked about it endlessly, and my my advice to
Speaker 1: the Lions because I was thinking about, how, you know,
Speaker 1: I used to play Everyone talks about Madden, but I
Speaker 1: used to play Tech Mobile against my brother and he
Speaker 1: would be Dan Marino and the Dolphins and the one
Speaker 1: in the most popular edition you can just throw these
Speaker 1: bombs up and down the field and score at will.
Speaker 1: So I would get a run heavy team like the
Speaker 1: Giants or the Raiders, and I would run the ball
Speaker 1: for six yards and I let the thirty seconds tick
Speaker 1: down and the quarters are a minute and a half,
Speaker 1: so that had to be annoying for your brother. I
Speaker 1: drove him nuts. I gave him like one possession in
Speaker 1: the first half and scored like fourteen points, then opened
Speaker 1: the I got the ball in the second half, went
Speaker 1: down the field, scored another touchdown. Eric Sesslers wondering how
Speaker 1: to climb out of a twenty one nothing hole, and
Speaker 1: then he gets the ball for maybe eighteen seconds in
Speaker 1: the second half too. That's how you squeeze them out.
Speaker 1: Not really optimal. Optimal video game entertainments try to be fun.
Speaker 1: I had to get serious. I I am too surprised
Speaker 1: that I think that's gonna be your game. Then on
Speaker 1: the after I'm already thinking about assign you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna I'm surprised the lines are included in that, But
Speaker 1: I'm with you, like Week one is my favorite week
Speaker 1: of the season because it's the first time you're seeing
Speaker 1: so many different things, and I'm gonna that'll be one
Speaker 1: of the first games I turned on on on game
Speaker 1: pass is because I want to see Kyler Murray. Yes,
Speaker 1: styles make fights, but nobody's really usually watching the bantam
Speaker 1: weight plays. What does that mean? I mean it's the
Speaker 1: Cardinals and lines. You don't know, you don't know, you
Speaker 1: really don't The Cardinals are what are the chances one
Speaker 1: of those teams make the playoffs? Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's it's Week one. A lot of it among the
Speaker 1: teams that we don't consider contenders, is like a tournament
Speaker 1: for our attention, right, So it's the winner of that
Speaker 1: game gets like, you know, a little bit of side
Speaker 1: I for the next week, and then maybe eventually four
Speaker 1: weeks from then, we'll be all right. Time to watch
Speaker 1: the Lions, right like the Bill's Jets, which is not
Speaker 1: my choice, but for years that's always been such a
Speaker 1: boring game. And in Week one, you're right, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like which one of those teams gets out to
Speaker 1: a fashion. I'm excited to watch both of those teams
Speaker 1: because of the quarterback in general and Levy on Bell,
Speaker 1: but it's like one of those teams smells like a
Speaker 1: team that's going to be three and one at the
Speaker 1: end of September, and it gets a lot of attention
Speaker 1: throughout the year because of that, And it's like, what
Speaker 1: if Frank Gore scores the winning touchdown on his old coach,
Speaker 1: Adam Gates. There's a lot of little wrinkles on They
Speaker 1: say Gore is looking pretty good in camp right now.
Speaker 1: Of course he is gonna get t j Yell didn't
Speaker 1: cut Clay with what game you're choosing in round one
Speaker 1: of my tournament for attention? Uh literally, because the segment
Speaker 1: name worked for me. I was scrolling through week one
Speaker 1: looking for something to catch my eye. Bruce arians returns
Speaker 1: as a head coach against Jimmy g returning from a
Speaker 1: torrent cruise shit on the East Coast. I'm down. I'm
Speaker 1: ready to see just to have an answer of this
Speaker 1: era forty niners, like what are you going to be?
Speaker 1: What are you going to accomplish? And to just see
Speaker 1: how Bruce is back and we're brash and the kangoles
Speaker 1: still going, and he's got a quarterback that likes to
Speaker 1: be aggressive and take chances, and it just seems like
Speaker 1: you think he's going to coach from the golf court,
Speaker 1: supposedly supposedly having a good campo or West Jamis Winston.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Like? Last week every article
Speaker 1: is why is now Todd Bulls defense so far ahead?
Speaker 1: Of Jamis Winston. I can't believe you box me out
Speaker 1: for that. What claybron I chose that thinking will no
Speaker 1: one's going to choose that. I don't even need aners,
Speaker 1: but I'm with you. I'm so excited. I'm excited to
Speaker 1: see both of those teams because I think they are
Speaker 1: both mysteries. I think like that. I want to see
Speaker 1: what the forty Niners offense, especially with Donte Pettis and
Speaker 1: Matt Brita and Tevin Coleman. Doesn't sound like Jeric McKinnon
Speaker 1: is gonna be in the mix maybe early in the year,
Speaker 1: but just George kid All and then I think the
Speaker 1: Bucks are gonna put some something on people. And I
Speaker 1: want to see Todd Bowls smiling. This is the new
Speaker 1: Todd Bowls. He's happy now. I mean that's he's in
Speaker 1: a good movie. He's got like the youngest secondary maybe
Speaker 1: I've ever heard no at least step during practice. And
Speaker 1: there's some injuries. Five of their top six defensive backs.
Speaker 1: We're first or second year players. That's pretty rare. The
Speaker 1: reason why it didn't work out, well, maybe it will
Speaker 1: work out. How about another game for us? If that
Speaker 1: was no? For no, I I got a bunch, but
Speaker 1: it's your you got to pick one. Well what Well,
Speaker 1: my backup choice was it goes against everything I believe
Speaker 1: in Week one, which is I just want to see
Speaker 1: like the new everything. But I'm actually it's I just
Speaker 1: have to be real with myself. I want to see
Speaker 1: Falcons Vikings. I'm invested in both of these teams. I
Speaker 1: think it's a high quality, potentially high quality first week
Speaker 1: game because they it's not new staffs, it's veterans on
Speaker 1: defense in Minnesota. It's a better looking offense in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: And it's a team in Atlanta that man, I had
Speaker 1: a lot of high hopes for last year and I
Speaker 1: was kind of rooting for and I like who they
Speaker 1: have on defense, and it just didn't work out at all.
Speaker 1: And those are two teams that I could see them
Speaker 1: in the super Bowl. I don't know why not I
Speaker 1: could see one of those two teams. I think there
Speaker 1: are two really good teams and established two good quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get a nice little high level of play,
Speaker 1: and I think you'll probably get a nice high scoring game.
Speaker 1: That's what I'll take that Week one Chiefs Jaguars, Sorry,
Speaker 1: say that's the tournament that game. Yeah, I like Chiefs Jaguars.
Speaker 1: I think that it's you're gonna obviously you have my homes,
Speaker 1: but I I think finally Jaguars fans can watch a
Speaker 1: game without having their blood pleasure pressure go to the
Speaker 1: ceiling every time, every time Blake Bortles gets the ball
Speaker 1: in his hands, like if you're Nick Foles, like, I'm
Speaker 1: rooting for him to do well. And that to me
Speaker 1: is like another team where Jacksonville needs to get out
Speaker 1: to a quick start and there's a lot of questions
Speaker 1: because they've been a run heavy offense for a long time,
Speaker 1: and under John d. Filippo, you're trying to become something
Speaker 1: completely different with a quarterback who's never played with any
Speaker 1: of those players. Plus like and all the Chiefs business. Right,
Speaker 1: it's week one. It's Andy Reid. He's like, you know,
Speaker 1: he's like funk Master Flexes dropping bombs on people in September,
Speaker 1: just like people don't know what what comes when Andy
Speaker 1: Reid's in town in September. There we go. Wait, let's
Speaker 1: before you even go next quest, let's go to Erica
Speaker 1: fan posting. What what game are you looking for to
Speaker 1: Week one? I don't know, Um, I should have warned
Speaker 1: you here. Well yeah, but Patriots Steelers come on now,
Speaker 1: why not? Right? Come on? You know there's all this
Speaker 1: talk about the Steelers being like, what are they going
Speaker 1: to be with all their they're missing players, you know,
Speaker 1: they're so together. Everything's gonna be cool. We've got we're
Speaker 1: gonna be taping but then and you'll be editing a
Speaker 1: little but the second half you'll be able to watch
Speaker 1: a little bit. Well that's you know, all you need
Speaker 1: is that that TV last two minutes of the game. Anyways,
Speaker 1: and money, I hate that as a Week one game
Speaker 1: as a Patriots fan. It feels like a home loss
Speaker 1: to me. But who knows. I'm sure you're super concerned. West. Sorry,
Speaker 1: what was he is there? I was gonna say, how
Speaker 1: about Tam Posty just on the spot nails it every
Speaker 1: year in the modern NFL this this may only be
Speaker 1: true in the last three or four years. There are
Speaker 1: a handful of teams that enter the season with an
Speaker 1: offensive line that could swing their season either way. And
Speaker 1: last year the Colts swung it the right way. They
Speaker 1: faced the Chargers this year, who could swing the wrong way.
Speaker 1: This team might not have Melvin Gordon, they might not
Speaker 1: have Russell o'cum, they don't have Tyrrelle Williams. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at a Chargers team that has transformed into a defense
Speaker 1: first team over an offense first team, and a Colts team.
Speaker 1: I know everybody's worried about Andrew Luck, and he told
Speaker 1: Peter King, I certainly believe I'll be out there in
Speaker 1: Week one, So to me, that's that's good enough for me.
Speaker 1: But the real good quote comes from Frank Reich and
Speaker 1: talk about Mark Um was talking about his video games
Speaker 1: with his brother. Frank Wright compared playing quarterback to a
Speaker 1: video game, and he said, I know Andrew has been
Speaker 1: in some really good offenses, but we're gonna turn him
Speaker 1: loose like he's never been turned loose before. And he said,
Speaker 1: here's an example I would use in a video game.
Speaker 1: If you're playing quarterback, you'll see these easy targets that
Speaker 1: pop up on the screen and they're all a hundred points.
Speaker 1: They're all a hundred points. They're pretty easy to hit,
Speaker 1: and every once in a while you see a thousand
Speaker 1: point target pop up just for a split second. Those
Speaker 1: are the ones Andrew Luck is gonna be hitting this year.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be more thousand point targets on the field. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: what video game? I'm wondering what is playing there? But
Speaker 1: it sounds like a future video It's like whack a mole.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, it's like that's a sneaky big game, sneaky,
Speaker 1: sneaky big FC game. And shout out to the Colts
Speaker 1: breaking news they just signed Deante Foreman. They got him
Speaker 1: off of waivers from Houston. What that's claibon? He just
Speaker 1: brings it back around as we're wrapping up. They need
Speaker 1: to back up, surprising to bring you back into the
Speaker 1: studio for that. Give a gift for him and a
Speaker 1: chance give him a shot. Who knows. They don't have
Speaker 1: much depth there. I think I think we've said it.
Speaker 1: I think Clay Brons come in here and he's knocked
Speaker 1: it out. Tam Posty, Wow, just stepped right in with
Speaker 1: the Patriots game. A little predictable, but still good, good analysis.
Speaker 1: I like it. You're there's more football analysis on your
Speaker 1: Twitter feed lately. I like seeing that some fantasy rankings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, fantasy is a fun game. I dig it.
Speaker 1: I can't argue that. Dig it that note. I think
Speaker 1: that's it. I think we're gonna wrap this thing up here, Oh,
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