Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast is thinking about Mark's slot.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another addition to Be Around the NFL Podcast,
Speaker 1: presented by Sirius XM. My name is Dan Hanss. I'm
Speaker 1: joined in a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling,
Speaker 1: and Greg Rosenthal. What is up? Boys? The money dropped
Speaker 1: against so inside baseball that we don't even get the
Speaker 1: joke anymore. I'm jogging through my memory and have no idea.
Speaker 1: But that's okay, a loss someone else out there. It's
Speaker 1: a reference to you the other day, Uh, sort of
Speaker 1: waiting to talk because you hadn't thought about what you're
Speaker 1: gonna It's it's got to the point where someone would
Speaker 1: reference something that happened, like on Monday Show. I don't
Speaker 1: remember five seconds of Monday Show. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: with a joke, if you have to explain the joke,
Speaker 1: the joke's already failed, if you'd explain the money drop.
Speaker 1: But that's sort of on us because it was a
Speaker 1: recent You're right, we can us move past. Well, I
Speaker 1: got it. Delete the last West came up with an apparently, Dan,
Speaker 1: you did yell like Mark, I can't stop thinking about
Speaker 1: your slot and a lot of people were tweeting it
Speaker 1: and stuff, so I feel like they'll got it really
Speaker 1: at home. I don't blame you, lame, I'm sure I
Speaker 1: did say that. I say that a lot to Mark,
Speaker 1: both on Mike and off. All Right, here we go, Monday.
Speaker 1: We are, I believe, twenty nine days away from kickoff
Speaker 1: of the regular season on this upcoming Monday. Or you
Speaker 1: know it's Wednesday? Right? Is today Wednesday? Yes, the whole
Speaker 1: I know you were in New York, but the whole
Speaker 1: world moved on. We had we had our Monday and Tuesday,
Speaker 1: but you were. I was, Yes, I was in New York.
Speaker 1: A great weekend with the family, went and so the Yankees.
Speaker 1: I got to see the Rolling Stones with my dad.
Speaker 1: Keith Hands is the biggest Stones fan alive, so that
Speaker 1: was all special. And then my plane gets delayed, so
Speaker 1: I get back to l A at eleven PM and
Speaker 1: then straight into Hard Knocks duty is, which we're gonna
Speaker 1: get to later. The old Douser is not clocking in
Speaker 1: and opping into the second until about four m last night.
Speaker 1: A little It's good to always fly home and have
Speaker 1: a weekend that you could have had in nine six
Speaker 1: Yankees Baseball in the Rolling Stone. It was it was
Speaker 1: a nice turn back of the or sixty six. Uh.
Speaker 1: Today's show, Yes, Hard Knocks premiered on Tuesday night, So
Speaker 1: UM I handled the right up over on the dot
Speaker 1: com and we're going to discuss what we took out
Speaker 1: of the first episode, which of course features the Oakland
Speaker 1: Raiders UM playoff predictions. It's always fun to UM take
Speaker 1: a look at where everybody finished last year. Thirty two teams,
Speaker 1: six teams the n C six teams in the NFC
Speaker 1: six plus six is thirty two nice times ten teams
Speaker 1: in each So there's ten teams in each conference that
Speaker 1: don't make the playoffs of that group of is that right? Yes?
Speaker 1: I nailed it, but I wasn't like you say, show
Speaker 1: your work, like, don't don't your work? I got there though,
Speaker 1: didn't I. So there are ten teams from each conference
Speaker 1: that did not make the postseason last year. We're each
Speaker 1: going to nominate a couple of teams from that group
Speaker 1: that will get into the dance of this January and yes,
Speaker 1: zero sum game, baby, So we gotta take some teams
Speaker 1: out that did make it last year of the twelve
Speaker 1: and those teams are shaking in their boots when they
Speaker 1: learned what we come up with here that hopefully they're aboard.
Speaker 1: They're very busy in training camps. You don't want to
Speaker 1: have that um, that voodoo on you, So stay away
Speaker 1: from this. Clear this podcast. NFL teams, huh. Also coming
Speaker 1: up is the news, So let's get to it. Here's
Speaker 1: what we're hearing, presented by Sirius xm Ricky. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: You know the season, the season. Is there any Giants
Speaker 1: fans out there? Oh? The capacity crowd at MetLife Stadium?
Speaker 1: And Jagger? Who you know? Has Mick Jagger ever watched
Speaker 1: the NFL game? Yeah, your n I think he, well
Speaker 1: he hasn't he performed at the Super Bowl? Yes, he
Speaker 1: did the Super Bowl forty in Detroit. Maybe part of
Speaker 1: that one, perhaps, I think he I even vaguely remember. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when they did the little press conference whatever, it was
Speaker 1: clear they were not you know, American Football kept the
Speaker 1: real stones. I thought it was Neil Reynolds for a second.
Speaker 1: It does have a bit of a Reynolds and vibe
Speaker 1: to it. Let's get to the news and yes, this
Speaker 1: is a story. Let's start here. When you when you
Speaker 1: go into the Hall of Fame, of weird sports industry injuries.
Speaker 1: We have a new one, uh and it's submitted by
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown, the prized trade acquisition of the Raiders, who
Speaker 1: had a mysterious foot ailment to he's been dealing with
Speaker 1: for weeks now, and we didn't get really any true
Speaker 1: insight into how he injured the feed. I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: it's the off season. How would you have a foot
Speaker 1: injury that basically wipe you out a training camp? To
Speaker 1: this point, hoping to hear more on Hard Knocks last night.
Speaker 1: You didn't get any more details from Hard Knocks, But
Speaker 1: there was a report that came out on NBC Sports
Speaker 1: Um on Tuesday that he was dealing with frostbite on
Speaker 1: his feet because he went into one of those cryo
Speaker 1: chamber things. Is that a cryo chamberry chamber, but wasn't
Speaker 1: wearing the right shoes, so it messed up his feet,
Speaker 1: leading to blistering and peeling and all that. And it
Speaker 1: was now so that was thrown out there Tuesday and
Speaker 1: then Wednesday confirmed by ESPN, confirmed by NFL Network that
Speaker 1: that is indeed how Brown injured himself. And now now
Speaker 1: you could connect the dots, mark why John Bruden, we
Speaker 1: got the report a few days ago, was annoyed that
Speaker 1: he wouldn't he hasn't his star player on the field.
Speaker 1: This is an all timer. Oh yeah, I mean, and
Speaker 1: it keeps up a proud five thousand year tradition where
Speaker 1: the first case of frost bite was discovered, um and
Speaker 1: on the feet of a pre Columbian mummy in the
Speaker 1: Chilean mountains. But I will say this because these athletes,
Speaker 1: they're doing all this stuff in the off season, and
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put a pass to have a cryo chamber
Speaker 1: in his own house. But I would just say, I
Speaker 1: would just say this if it's in a facility, the
Speaker 1: same way when you go to the dentist, and if
Speaker 1: if someone in a dental assistant, you know, took a
Speaker 1: moler out of your mouth by mistake without any warning.
Speaker 1: You know, if if someone allowed him to go into
Speaker 1: this chamber with the wrong footwear, is that on Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown or someone else? I just don't have the facts,
Speaker 1: probably placing Europe well. And for that reason, he can
Speaker 1: be placed on the not football injury list, or the
Speaker 1: Raiders if they wanted to, could seek some money back.
Speaker 1: Because this is a non football injury. It happened in Europe,
Speaker 1: not playing foot but he already practiced, right, so so
Speaker 1: I mean he he went out there. It's frustrating and
Speaker 1: we'll talk. Maybe we'll talk a B and hard knocks,
Speaker 1: but you could see how frustrating it is. And it
Speaker 1: kind of makes sense because once when he showed the
Speaker 1: maybe he wanted this to get out there. Because when
Speaker 1: he showed it, he showed the pictures of his feet
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Many people's reactions were like those aren't blisters,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what is happening there, but like
Speaker 1: that's not makes sense, Like yeah, you can see a
Speaker 1: guy who is famous essentially for his practice regimen is
Speaker 1: being you know, not able to do it, because that
Speaker 1: was it's the real thing. And they don't seem to
Speaker 1: know that he's out in there, like he's out in
Speaker 1: definitely they don't know. I would say, where are we now?
Speaker 1: So where today's Wednesday? You say, I'll take your word
Speaker 1: for it August seven. I mean if if by the
Speaker 1: time we get to next week and he's still not practicing,
Speaker 1: that is to get legitimately nervous. So that's why you
Speaker 1: kind of hesitate. You want to you don't want to
Speaker 1: make too much light of it and have too much
Speaker 1: arong with But at the same time it's pretty funny.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it's it's like a guy that
Speaker 1: was trapped on Mount Everest for three months who was
Speaker 1: saved and rescued. That's what his feet would look like.
Speaker 1: And if the pictures make a lot more sense. But
Speaker 1: frost plaite essentially destroys nerve endings and can lead to
Speaker 1: amputations in the most severe can it gets serious and
Speaker 1: it's a story, but you're right, then there would be something,
Speaker 1: you know, funny if like someone missed week four because
Speaker 1: of Gang Green, you know what, which is basically what's happening.
Speaker 1: It's a serious is happening. And yeah, it was like
Speaker 1: a Foxhole injury. Then there were two. I was a
Speaker 1: little confused with how it was presented on Hard Knocks,
Speaker 1: but they at one point they show him working out
Speaker 1: with his personal trainer and he is moving around gingerly,
Speaker 1: and I wrote on NFL dot com it was kind
Speaker 1: of like a forty year old dad at like a
Speaker 1: flag football where he was all gimpy and trying trying
Speaker 1: to sprint, but you can tell his body is just
Speaker 1: not going along with him. Uh, maybe certain members of
Speaker 1: our softball time. That's how I feel. Run in the base.
Speaker 1: Um uh. And then you should you saw him in
Speaker 1: camp for a practice, and I suppose I think he practiced,
Speaker 1: would practice for a thirty minute and he was lighting
Speaker 1: everyone like Antonio Brown. He looked good. It was amazing,
Speaker 1: and that's what everyone who watched the practice head was.
Speaker 1: He torched everyone in front of him. But he also
Speaker 1: lasted thirty minutes and then he had to stop, so
Speaker 1: he was probably playing through pain. What a mess. Hopefully
Speaker 1: it gets worked out soon. But I can understand why
Speaker 1: John Gruden's pisted. I mean, come on, this is Antonio
Speaker 1: a bit much like you know the front office that
Speaker 1: invested millions of dollars, all right and other injury treatment
Speaker 1: news Bobby Wagner, he just got a three or fifty
Speaker 1: four million dollar extension from the Seahawks a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago. Well, he's out indefinitely following platelet rich plasma injection. Uh.
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, the Seahawks coach, didn't really delve into it
Speaker 1: with the public, just saying that there was a quote
Speaker 1: little procedure done on Wagner's lower body. Um. The news
Speaker 1: Tribune reported that Wagner should be ready for Week one.
Speaker 1: But this is not exactly the type of thing West
Speaker 1: that you like to hear. He's twenty nine year old linebacker,
Speaker 1: a superstar. You just gave him all the money in
Speaker 1: the world, and he's getting these injections. Usually not a
Speaker 1: good thing. But I know, in the modern medicine realm
Speaker 1: of professional sports, maybe this is just routine maintenance. At
Speaker 1: this point, it's beyond my reach. But still, you'd rather
Speaker 1: not hear about this. You rather not be reading about
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner getting uh platelet rich plasma injections. That is
Speaker 1: ailing me well, especially in relation to this Seahawks roster
Speaker 1: where the first round pick L. J. Collier has a
Speaker 1: rare ankle sprain and now they're saying it may not
Speaker 1: be as bad as they first thought. Um K J.
Speaker 1: Wright coming off his worst season in which he was
Speaker 1: plagued by knee injuries throughout. Geron Red suspended six game,
Speaker 1: Frank Clark gone, h Bradley McDougald, the best player in
Speaker 1: their secondary coming off knee surgery. This office as in practiced,
Speaker 1: It's there's a lot of question marks for the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: and I think if if you want to look on
Speaker 1: the bright side, as far as Wagner goes, d Ford
Speaker 1: from the forty nine ers, I believe just had a
Speaker 1: similar procedure and they only have him being out two weeks.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure every player is different in every case
Speaker 1: is different, but this doesn't sound like something that will
Speaker 1: haunt him going into the regular And they also said
Speaker 1: he's had it before. So I like it when we
Speaker 1: have a new procedures just added to the mix and
Speaker 1: we're expected to just know what that means, because suddenly
Speaker 1: platelet rich plasma surgery or injection is everywhere. Like everyone's
Speaker 1: just getting the plate but like, like we have any
Speaker 1: idea what that spinning theo's let's put those in those
Speaker 1: frost bitten feet. But now it's like going to the dentist.
Speaker 1: It's just like, oh, yeah, I'm getting a PRP. Yeah
Speaker 1: what you said earlier. But we don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's nothing, maybe it's everything. I don't know. I'd
Speaker 1: be a little concerned if, especially in the D FOURD case,
Speaker 1: just because he's had so many knee injuries, we need
Speaker 1: like a medical attachee that we can just reach out too.
Speaker 1: Quickly on the phone for these types of things. Dr
Speaker 1: David cho we need a chow, We need a chaw.
Speaker 1: It's like a chowdown chown and get him on the phone.
Speaker 1: It's got to be an auxiliary individual to chow chill.
Speaker 1: It has to he has to have the last named
Speaker 1: Chow because there's just so much to go with him.
Speaker 1: And you can find a few chows. Yeah, the Wednesday
Speaker 1: Night chow Down with David Chow get him on the horn.
Speaker 1: What was that was nineties six? Every person in Kentucky,
Speaker 1: Northern Kentucky had a dog that was a chow. They
Speaker 1: all had the same chow and they were all named Bear,
Speaker 1: every single one of them. Why why, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That was like the dog of choice for this area
Speaker 1: of the country. And they were all named the named
Speaker 1: Bear because they're the kind of like have that furrow
Speaker 1: around their heads and stuff and hunched shoulders. That's a
Speaker 1: Kentucky type talk. They sort of surprises me that that
Speaker 1: would be the dog you'd find Kentucky. And I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about like the bluegrass part where you might find
Speaker 1: hound dogs. This is closer to the city, like closer
Speaker 1: to Cincinnati. Very she she Kentucky elite. I would call
Speaker 1: him ghettos. Okay, I'm more confused. More injury news this
Speaker 1: out of Cowboys camp. Jane Slater reports defensive ed Robert
Speaker 1: Quinn fractured his hand during a proxy practice in ox Nerd.
Speaker 1: Uh and is ox nerd? Yes? I like ox nerd
Speaker 1: ox NERD. I'm sure there's some locals that do that,
Speaker 1: like a nerdy ox el segundo el sagundo type vibe. Anyway,
Speaker 1: broke his hand in Oxnard, California, heading back to Dallas
Speaker 1: to have surgery. Another twenty nine year old that is
Speaker 1: a key role in a key member of this defense.
Speaker 1: They expect him to be ready for Week one against
Speaker 1: the Giants. Uh. That from Steven Jones, the team's executive
Speaker 1: vice president. But greg again, there used to be this
Speaker 1: line that used to drive Yankees fans crazy. Joe Girardi,
Speaker 1: their longtime manager. Anytime you asked him a question that
Speaker 1: was something negative about the team, he would always start
Speaker 1: the answer the same way, well, it's not what you want. Well,
Speaker 1: in this case, it's not what you want, and it
Speaker 1: drove everybody crazy. No, and another thing everyone says at
Speaker 1: this time of year that drives me a little crazy
Speaker 1: is they're they're all expected to be ready week one.
Speaker 1: News flash, They're not all gonna be ready. They're not
Speaker 1: all gonna be ready to play a full compliment of snaps.
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn has been injured a lot over the years.
Speaker 1: Here here are the key Cowboys who may not practice
Speaker 1: for the entire month of August. De Marcus Lawrence coming
Speaker 1: off surgery, Robert Quinn coming off surgery. No one has
Speaker 1: any idea when Tyrone Crawford, who is also starting on
Speaker 1: their defensive lines. That's three of the four. Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: by far their best cornerback a year ago, coming off surgery.
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott, we don't know where he is. Like, that's
Speaker 1: a lot of key starting players on the Cowboys. It
Speaker 1: might be uh to the Giants favor playing them in
Speaker 1: Week one. I don't know if they're really lit up
Speaker 1: West as Cowboys and legal many too many players with
Speaker 1: what receivers. I don't know, Eli running for maybe seventy yards.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if I'm a Giants fan, that's the week.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna have to play in Dallas, that might
Speaker 1: be the week to do it. I would think that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys look at it the same way God week
Speaker 1: got the Giants Week one with all these that's fair
Speaker 1: and one just moving off the Giants. Can someone in
Speaker 1: America stop acting like the Giants? They're always bad and
Speaker 1: everyone thinks they're gonna be good. Are you gonna make
Speaker 1: me root for the Giants? Just going into on the
Speaker 1: one of my rules that I never want to see happen.
Speaker 1: I don't want anybody on my offensive line or my
Speaker 1: defensive line to have the club. And Quinn's gonna get
Speaker 1: the club. He's gonna have the big old club, so
Speaker 1: I and you're gonna hear Collins wo explained, Well, you know,
Speaker 1: he's been working with the club a lot and it
Speaker 1: does limited in some ways, but he's doing his best
Speaker 1: and it's just like, no, get him out of the club. Uh.
Speaker 1: Another Cowboys news, they're still trying to get contracts done
Speaker 1: with a variety of big name stars Greg names, some
Speaker 1: of them NFL Networks. Jane Slater once again she's nailing
Speaker 1: to keep. Friend of the Pod reported Tuesday that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have quote generous offers on the table for quarterback
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, wide receiver and Marie Cooper and running back
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott. That would put each one in the top
Speaker 1: five at their position. What do they have like quadruple
Speaker 1: the cap space of any team in the league. Just
Speaker 1: make everyone a top five star and pay anyway. Slater
Speaker 1: adds of the Cowboys are ready and willing to get
Speaker 1: deals done, but if both sides can't agree on numbers
Speaker 1: that make more sense, They're prepared to play this season
Speaker 1: with each player on a prove it deal. And finally,
Speaker 1: West over the weekend, um Jerry Jones confidently said quote,
Speaker 1: it'll happen when asked about the trio's contract situations, noting
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys are in too good a place not
Speaker 1: to resolve the situations. What generous is in the eye
Speaker 1: of the beholder, right, If they were generous enough, they'd
Speaker 1: be signed on the Dottom line by now. So obviously
Speaker 1: the players didn't think they were that generous. And I
Speaker 1: think when the Cowboys, this is unique Deak Prescott probably
Speaker 1: wants to be paid more than a smart team would
Speaker 1: pay Dak Prescott. Zeke Elliott has what two more years
Speaker 1: on his contract, and especially unique kid, and I'm already Cooper.
Speaker 1: I mean, he thinks he's arguing from a position of
Speaker 1: strength because he's saved the Cowboys season last year, but
Speaker 1: he's not a top twenty wide receiver. I was, well,
Speaker 1: but I think I think Dac and Cooper. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: they're at practice. They don't seem that Cooper especially doesn't
Speaker 1: seem worried about at all. And I think if I could,
Speaker 1: I would, well, I can't put money on it. We
Speaker 1: work for the I would. I'm gonna predict Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: has a contract before a week one and it wouldn't
Speaker 1: surprise me if and if I had to, I would
Speaker 1: predict Cooper has one. You know, before week ten. You
Speaker 1: know that he has one. Zeke seems like the one
Speaker 1: that I don't know who knows. I mean, you look
Speaker 1: at these three guys the way Jane reported it that
Speaker 1: the generous offers would put each one on the top
Speaker 1: five of their positions. We don't really know what that means.
Speaker 1: It's too vague to dig in, but let's just say
Speaker 1: it's not a surprise because you have to pay them
Speaker 1: that much to get anyone to sign these days. Everyone
Speaker 1: I got you. But like if it truly is when
Speaker 1: you factor in the guaranteed money, and that's the most
Speaker 1: important thing. A top five. I would say, if you're
Speaker 1: a Marii Cooper, Dak Prescott, you take that money those guys.
Speaker 1: You know, that's good money for guys that I'm kind
Speaker 1: of on western side with where Cooper is that player.
Speaker 1: Prescott is on the right side of the Dalton scale,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if he's ever really go too
Speaker 1: much further than that. Maybe he gets better as the ages.
Speaker 1: Zeke is a top three, top two, maybe the best
Speaker 1: running back. He's the guy it's different than those two guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you feel like it this? You know,
Speaker 1: for the amount of time we have to spend covering
Speaker 1: every nook and cranny of the league, that the only
Speaker 1: thing that could possibly be more annoying than one touchy
Speaker 1: contract situation in Dallas is three contracts situations. I mean,
Speaker 1: I would just simply like some of these to get resolved,
Speaker 1: to take them off our But Jones also said that
Speaker 1: I'm sure this is gonna get resolved because it's good
Speaker 1: for everyone. It's good for them, it's good and I
Speaker 1: agree with that. The Zeke one is I think different,
Speaker 1: but the other two is gonna happen. Let's roll through
Speaker 1: a holdout conversation Jadeveon Clowney of the Houston Texans. He's
Speaker 1: been staying away from camp as he you know, he
Speaker 1: wants to get that big contract. He hasn't gotten it.
Speaker 1: The Texans placed the franchise tag on Clowney the soft seasons.
Speaker 1: Um he expects to report this from rap sheet that
Speaker 1: he will report after the team's third preseason game against
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in August, which of course is also the
Speaker 1: last game unless you're Bill Belichick that you play your
Speaker 1: starters typically. Um So Clowney sitting out training camp, sitting
Speaker 1: out preseason, assumingly taking care of himself and will be
Speaker 1: ready to roll week one. Nobody panic in Houston. Have
Speaker 1: a contract year. I mean, if he has a huge
Speaker 1: year and finishes it off the way he did last year,
Speaker 1: really the last couple of years, he tends to close
Speaker 1: very strong. I mean, he is gonna get an incredible
Speaker 1: amount of money. He is ranked fourth in my top
Speaker 1: two nineteen free agents list coming out Thursday. They said
Speaker 1: it was too earlier. It's it doesn't matter and put
Speaker 1: it out anyway. What I mean other sports you talked
Speaker 1: about free agency like a year in advance. Why, Hey,
Speaker 1: here are the guys that you're kind of kind of
Speaker 1: be like watching Chris Jones is in there. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: Doc for now, think about it when you think about
Speaker 1: the football gagna Centi Cooper. As we know it, everyone
Speaker 1: has their writer reporter who handles certain types of articles. Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's say ESPN has Bill Barnwell, I think he'll
Speaker 1: be agitated at this, CBS has so and so has
Speaker 1: so and so, NFL dot Com. Greg's our guy. So
Speaker 1: Greg is in competition with all those other dudes. So
Speaker 1: if you get it out, if you don't get it
Speaker 1: out first, you get it out last. That's what I mean.
Speaker 1: I think barn will be We're giving him this the
Speaker 1: first time. But I love going to see and go
Speaker 1: that I should have done. He's gonna sit MS. Did
Speaker 1: you know that? It's more that I've known. Like other sports,
Speaker 1: they're talking free agency all year round in the NBA.
Speaker 1: I know it's not it's good in the NFL. But
Speaker 1: by the way, I what, trying to do your job
Speaker 1: well does not mean cunning. I asked, I asked, your
Speaker 1: boy moved the sticks to rank because I was seeing
Speaker 1: if he would agree with Chris Jones, Clowney and Lenny
Speaker 1: Williams one to three. What do you think you would do?
Speaker 1: Clowney and Leonard Williams? What does cunning mean? Cunning? No,
Speaker 1: you guys are right. It's having our showing skill and
Speaker 1: achieving ones ends by deceit ornivation just makes you think
Speaker 1: of like a villain. Basic. Yeah. I thought Semakia Vellion
Speaker 1: I knew was a negative thing. I thought. I thought
Speaker 1: cunning was just more like sharp of mind and kind
Speaker 1: of creating some content that people want. Why not picture?
Speaker 1: I would like that? What's the bad guys on our
Speaker 1: I t videos? Those are? Yes? Um? Anyway, check that
Speaker 1: out that piece by Greg. What were you saying the
Speaker 1: three guys matter? Leonard Williams, Chris Jones and Jadevion Clowney.
Speaker 1: What about those are the three guys? Yes? Yes? Oh?
Speaker 1: I had had dj Rank and I was curious he
Speaker 1: think he went in that? Or Jones? Clowney? Lenny? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Lenny is an interesting guy, he is. I think, by
Speaker 1: the way, I think Clowney is in kind of a
Speaker 1: similar boat to Joey Flacco years ago, where the Ravens
Speaker 1: probably could have gotten a deal done would have been
Speaker 1: expensive but not exorbitant, and they decided to wait it out.
Speaker 1: They got banged. Wonder what happens with Houston here? Well,
Speaker 1: what would have Nick have done here? Nicks? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I think he might have. He might have sealed
Speaker 1: this thing up if they had gotten the right GM
Speaker 1: in there. You know, I think Clowney will be playing
Speaker 1: elsewhere next year. I have a head coach, Plane Gea.
Speaker 1: He's trying to do the Belichick things. That's right. Finally
Speaker 1: in the news, mark your boys. The Browns ain't no
Speaker 1: leagues to be found here. It's a new Arab Brownies football. Uh.
Speaker 1: A little saga that broke out on Monday during the
Speaker 1: Brown's press conference with Freddie Kitchens. First of all, Bob Wiley,
Speaker 1: who we all remember from Hard Knocks the earthtwhile offensive
Speaker 1: line coach big old belly, big old mustache drove a Lamborghini.
Speaker 1: Wild situation. Um, he kind of he kind of can't
Speaker 1: went on the radio and got after the Browns a
Speaker 1: little bit. Obviously, he's upset that he was let go
Speaker 1: and he found out that he was fired. He said
Speaker 1: when he was in the hospital after some surgeries to
Speaker 1: his lower body, um and maybe some plate platelet rich
Speaker 1: plasma injections. I don't know, but um, Wiley basically goes
Speaker 1: out and says, Freddy Kitchens is the coach. Come on,
Speaker 1: he only got that job because he's Mayfield's boy, And
Speaker 1: that led to Freddie Kitchens addressing it, saying, you know,
Speaker 1: Bob knows what Bob knows about, how why he's not
Speaker 1: here anymore and that. But I also, while I'm here,
Speaker 1: I would like to make some statements about the ship
Speaker 1: here in Cleveland in twenty nine. You know, the days
Speaker 1: of inside information and the days of of unnamed horses
Speaker 1: and stuff like that have ended. So you're not gonna
Speaker 1: get any information like that ever anybody. And if I
Speaker 1: ever see it, they're fired immediately. That's the way we're
Speaker 1: minding this organization. And I can take it. John Dorsey
Speaker 1: can take it. We won't crack, I'll promise you. M
Speaker 1: Why how do you think he got there from? Did
Speaker 1: you think the reason he chose not to bring Wildly
Speaker 1: back is because he thought he was a rat? Well
Speaker 1: he made one good point, all rats off the ship.
Speaker 1: Well he's a huge, huge Jackson guy Wiley right, And Wiley,
Speaker 1: like I guess, had gone on and on about the
Speaker 1: fact that he wanted to retire, and he wasn't actually
Speaker 1: under contract with the Browns. So it's like, is that
Speaker 1: the guy you want to bring back as your dude?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's that. It's something like there
Speaker 1: was some bitterness. I thought it was interesting that he
Speaker 1: named Kenzie MPAs as the architect behind the late season offense,
Speaker 1: not Freddy Kitchens. It seemed a little bitter. But you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Kitchens hasn't been in Cleveland for a
Speaker 1: long time, but there has been a ten plus year,
Speaker 1: much more act twenty year history of really damaging leaks
Speaker 1: in that building, coming from multiple regimes. It seemed like
Speaker 1: no matter what happened, regime at the regime was taken
Speaker 1: out by really I think he was leaking stuff. We
Speaker 1: all know that. But to me, I love this. The
Speaker 1: thing is, it's here's the problem. Say, maybe so if
Speaker 1: you say you're gonna fire someone, something's going to come up,
Speaker 1: and then at what that point you're you know, you
Speaker 1: have you're gonna have to put a man on the case.
Speaker 1: We might get Frank Signetti on the Brown's payroll if
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to handle some of these cases. If this,
Speaker 1: if someone leaks something, but if we ever see it
Speaker 1: there fired immediately. What if Baker gets frustrated and says
Speaker 1: something to your girl, Mary Kay Cabot. There are there
Speaker 1: are levels of you know who said what? So the
Speaker 1: most the most I think Freddie was understandably just annoyed
Speaker 1: at this guy because he took some pretty direct shots.
Speaker 1: And then the most I think direct was that Dorsey
Speaker 1: wanted Freddie Kitchens because he wanted a head coach he
Speaker 1: could control. That was basically what he said. That Dorsey
Speaker 1: did not want a guy that he had to go
Speaker 1: head to head with like he did with Andy Reid
Speaker 1: in Kansas City and lose out on uh And he
Speaker 1: kind of has that in Freddie Kitchens, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that's that bad of a thing.
Speaker 1: But if I was Freddie Kitchens, that annoys you. Of
Speaker 1: course you're going to be annoyed by that. The way
Speaker 1: the rhetoric from Bob Wiley as if that was the
Speaker 1: only reason that you wouldn't hire Greg Williams because you
Speaker 1: wanted to control you. Greg Williams comes with many reasons
Speaker 1: not to hire I don't Freddie doesn't strike me as
Speaker 1: a guy like a puppet that you can pull the
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Speaker 1: is back. The acclaimed venerable cutting HBO hockey series return
Speaker 1: for a fourteen season on Tuesday, the subject, of course,
Speaker 1: the Oakland Raiders, and yes, for eighth year. These zoos
Speaker 1: are writing up episode recaps on NFL dot com. Where
Speaker 1: have the years gone? And getting better? I might they
Speaker 1: are They have gotten better and better organized, but the
Speaker 1: writing itself has gotten like you're bringing it up a level.
Speaker 1: You have a historical grasp of the subject, some histories,
Speaker 1: so it kind of pours out of you when you
Speaker 1: tracked the show this close over the years, Um and
Speaker 1: this was always once it was announced, once it was rumored,
Speaker 1: it was always going to be about John Gruden. And
Speaker 1: there were other players and we'll get to it that
Speaker 1: jumped out and coaches perhaps, But the episode opens, the
Speaker 1: first thing you hear from is John Gruden on the
Speaker 1: field and um, and that was kind of I think
Speaker 1: what the table setting was in episode one, that this is,
Speaker 1: this is what the John Gruden experience is in Oakland's
Speaker 1: here a little bit from the second year coach, and
Speaker 1: there was a saying around here once a raider always
Speaker 1: we are gonna be physical. Most importantly, we're gonna be smart,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna be relentless. You can lead the league
Speaker 1: in effort because it takes no talent. It's just a
Speaker 1: decision that you make. We have a chance to be
Speaker 1: one hell of a big story this year. Man. If
Speaker 1: we put our heart and soul into this football team,
Speaker 1: we want to win, and we want to win. Now
Speaker 1: knock on what if you're with me, Okay, we should
Speaker 1: start doing that. By the way, whenever we're having if
Speaker 1: we're having a show meeting and like so we're all
Speaker 1: agreement on that, go and we all knocked the table
Speaker 1: together that feels like a good move. Um, so West,
Speaker 1: I'll start here with this episode. First of all, I
Speaker 1: don't think for the hype building up, I don't think
Speaker 1: it was one of the all time Hard Knocks episodes.
Speaker 1: I thought the premier last year, for instance, with the Browns,
Speaker 1: was much more interesting. I don't think this was a
Speaker 1: dud by any stretch. But I think that the um
Speaker 1: that you want to come out of each episode, Like
Speaker 1: last year, it was a home run because you had
Speaker 1: all that palace intrigue involving Todd Halley and Hugh Jackson
Speaker 1: and Freddie Kitchens, who people forget was also in that
Speaker 1: argument about guys sitting out practice US and that was
Speaker 1: such cat nip for HBO films. And of course the
Speaker 1: audience nothing quite that good in this premiere, but I
Speaker 1: did get me thinking as I'm watching and how John Gruden,
Speaker 1: even though he did the cliche trope thing as the
Speaker 1: head coach leading up to the show's premiere where he said, uh,
Speaker 1: we don't you know, I don't need to be on
Speaker 1: Hard Knocks John Gruden, this is a good, good platform
Speaker 1: for a guy who and this this room right here
Speaker 1: is a good microcosm of that um because Scott. I know, Mark,
Speaker 1: you've been outspoken on this, but you're far from alone.
Speaker 1: The idea that why should you believe in John Gruden
Speaker 1: is a head coach in twenty nineteen and and he
Speaker 1: is in the midst of a tear down and rebuild,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna take years to show whether or not
Speaker 1: he's somebody who should have your respect as a head
Speaker 1: coach in the modern NFL landscape. But for now, a
Speaker 1: show like this can show what John Gruden really does
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. And I think to me the first
Speaker 1: episode he came off well. He didn't come off as
Speaker 1: a relic to me um so that that was one
Speaker 1: takeaway to me that he seemed like he was control
Speaker 1: of the ship. He didn't feel like an ancient guy
Speaker 1: trying to push his old teachings onto a new generation.
Speaker 1: But it is important to know Wes and remember how
Speaker 1: long it's been since Gruden was relevant as a coach
Speaker 1: two thousand seven as the last time he took a
Speaker 1: team to the playoffs, which is forever ago in any measure,
Speaker 1: but especially in the NFL. What were your takeaways on
Speaker 1: Gruden an episode one. I think as far as Gruden goes,
Speaker 1: I think what you say is true. Maybe to most
Speaker 1: people he came off well, I think I've reached my
Speaker 1: saturation point with John Gruden, and to me, he always
Speaker 1: comes off as a relentless hype man, salesman. Carnival Barker,
Speaker 1: I just don't believe anything he says. Well, he's he's
Speaker 1: great at a party, like that's what I think. You know,
Speaker 1: they had that little get together at the end where
Speaker 1: what was it season ticket holders or I think, and
Speaker 1: I was just thinking, like John Gruden would be a
Speaker 1: great guy to have a party. I think it'd be
Speaker 1: a great guy to have on your Monday night football
Speaker 1: work at him, like he's just great at smoothing and
Speaker 1: dealing with people and he has a little bit of
Speaker 1: a salesman too, and so whether that helps, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: absolutely Whether that helps as a head coach, I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like you know this this speeches and the knocking and
Speaker 1: the always the raider, it's like, you know, you can
Speaker 1: see if you're a veteran that's been there for a while,
Speaker 1: that stuff's only gonna work for so long. Like I'd
Speaker 1: love to have an analytics you know, uh, study how
Speaker 1: much speeches help, Like our speech is going away and
Speaker 1: post analytics world, because my analytics say you can make
Speaker 1: no speeches, and it probably wouldn't make any different. That said,
Speaker 1: because I already came in with fearing this, but I
Speaker 1: enjoyed him by the way. I love. Yeah, I keep
Speaker 1: in fearing this this edition of Hard Knocks for a
Speaker 1: couple of reasons. And I would say I would have
Speaker 1: put Gruden and Antonio Brown at the top of the list,
Speaker 1: and I put them both in my winner's column personally
Speaker 1: because the way they directed the episode, which wasn't a
Speaker 1: total banger but I thought it would. They shied away
Speaker 1: from total tropes and some of the stuff that I
Speaker 1: saw with the Rams season that with eight minutes in,
Speaker 1: I was done with that one. I thought they did.
Speaker 1: They understated some things and grud into me. I think,
Speaker 1: I agree with you West that all that stuff I
Speaker 1: feel too. But I kind of came away liking him
Speaker 1: and thought that he did himself a service and the
Speaker 1: Raiders overall. I mean, I thought, when we see Mark Davis,
Speaker 1: who knows what's going to happen there, everyone kind of
Speaker 1: was less was a little bit less annoying to me,
Speaker 1: and more watchable than I thought they would be. Um Ricky,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts about speeches and hype speeches? I
Speaker 1: think they're really important. And Greg, that was a really
Speaker 1: dumb comment. Wow, analytics clients. I wanted to give her
Speaker 1: the platform. I just feel like you're like analytic show
Speaker 1: that speeches don't make a difference, like when you're okay.
Speaker 1: I just mean, like all these shows, there's speeches all day,
Speaker 1: every day, and it seems like for grown man that
Speaker 1: a Bill Belichick agrees with me, like he doesn't make
Speaker 1: any Yes he does, but you pick and choose. You're
Speaker 1: still dealing with emotional human beings. Here. Here's the parade
Speaker 1: that's they're organizing Aroundy ahead of their Super Bowl win.
Speaker 1: I mean that's the same stuff. It would mean. Like
Speaker 1: the the amount of it in the NFL. I think
Speaker 1: it's probably is a little much, but you have to
Speaker 1: to get it to get people together, to get them believing.
Speaker 1: I think it's really important. I think that's the difference
Speaker 1: is these are NFL players. This is in college like
Speaker 1: young kids. These guys are as motivated and as professional
Speaker 1: for the most part. The ones that succeed as Jon Gruden,
Speaker 1: like he's got a young roster and you could tell
Speaker 1: that there are a lot of kids, obviously the three
Speaker 1: first round picks UM and they I don't know, you
Speaker 1: you can't tell just from watching a reality show, but
Speaker 1: it did seem like they he had, you know, and
Speaker 1: I hope he head coach would, But they're full at tension.
Speaker 1: Their full tension was on Gruden. They seem they seemed
Speaker 1: to be buying in. And one thing I like you
Speaker 1: were talking about Mark about how once you watch season
Speaker 1: after season of Hard Knocks, sometimes you see kind of
Speaker 1: a Hard Knocks trope coming. And that's why I did
Speaker 1: like the scene because I don't track some of these
Speaker 1: bottoms the roster guys. Even if p f T does
Speaker 1: a news item on it, I'll typically miss it. So
Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about Ronald Ali. I didn't even
Speaker 1: watch Last Chance You, so I was not plugged in
Speaker 1: on this at all. But Ronald Olly was a undrafted
Speaker 1: free agent who appeared on Last Chance You, which is
Speaker 1: that Netflix show, Greg that I know you're a big
Speaker 1: fan of Um and when he shows up in the
Speaker 1: beginning of this episode, you're thinking to yourself, Uh, if
Speaker 1: you're not tracking the raider's day to day. Oh, this
Speaker 1: is obviously a five episode arc. About Ali who who
Speaker 1: survived community college football. Now he's gonna make it all
Speaker 1: the way to the end of cuts. Well, no, he
Speaker 1: kind of shows himself to be a little lethargic or
Speaker 1: not quite all the way in he pulls himself out
Speaker 1: of a practice miss is a training um training session,
Speaker 1: and Gruden says, get out of here, and just like that.
Speaker 1: As a Hard Knocks fan, that was a little jarring.
Speaker 1: It's like when Samuel Jackson got eaten by the shark
Speaker 1: and Deep bluecy you know, you know seen obviously um
Speaker 1: or when while driving country this shocking movie doesth that
Speaker 1: was kind of a shocking Hard Knocks debt, So I
Speaker 1: did kind of like that. Although I feel bad for
Speaker 1: the young man from the Mississippi state, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of like, you know, this is the NFL. This is
Speaker 1: how the end. I mean, if that wasn't an NFL moment,
Speaker 1: I don't know what is Like it's incredible kind of
Speaker 1: how sad it is, how long his journey was. This
Speaker 1: is a guy who watched his that his parents were
Speaker 1: murdered when they were both of them were murdered when
Speaker 1: he was five years old, and he had his issues
Speaker 1: in terms of like working hard and good, but very
Speaker 1: like really likable guy that you know, beat the odds,
Speaker 1: his first person in his family to ever go to
Speaker 1: any college, much less you know, community college. And then
Speaker 1: he gets through that barely, but he kind of excels.
Speaker 1: And then he goes to like a low D one
Speaker 1: school and does well enough to get this one chance,
Speaker 1: and it's like over like and it's a reminder. I
Speaker 1: think the biggest difference I think between the NFL and
Speaker 1: those low d ones is like practice. You know, like
Speaker 1: practice is so professional. I think if you're coming from
Speaker 1: I forget where he played, it's like you better be
Speaker 1: ready to to practice like a professional immediately. Or that's it,
Speaker 1: Like that might like that whole process of he had
Speaker 1: literally hundreds of people helping him along the way to
Speaker 1: get to that one point, and it might be over
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the NFL roster. It's so it's
Speaker 1: such a thin raise it thin line margin of error.
Speaker 1: You could tell the way it was being presented that
Speaker 1: he wasn't quite all the way there mentally, and that's it.
Speaker 1: You're done. Once you're in that place and you're not
Speaker 1: realizing there's no you can pull yourself out of a
Speaker 1: practice with a sore achilles, but you cannot if you're
Speaker 1: on the edge of a roster then miss a training session.
Speaker 1: You're just asking to be sent home. And that's what
Speaker 1: happened this scene and some of the scenes from All
Speaker 1: or Nothing take me back to remember when we had
Speaker 1: Kara sneed On and she had that Iceberg example. The
Speaker 1: stuff happens eat the surface. We watch on Twitter and
Speaker 1: we watch games, and we see the stats and we
Speaker 1: see the play, but we don't get to see the
Speaker 1: personalities that much or what's behind the scenes. And when
Speaker 1: you watch some of this stuff on the reality TV
Speaker 1: you see how some players might get a reputation for
Speaker 1: being a little bit softer than other players, Why some
Speaker 1: players get cut, why some players aren't playing as much
Speaker 1: because maybe they don't try as hard and practice as
Speaker 1: other players do, and that gets them in the doghouse.
Speaker 1: And then there was a great comment inside the show
Speaker 1: by one assistant to another saying how tough it is
Speaker 1: to coach players that aren't driven the way that Greg
Speaker 1: mentioned that Brenton Buckner, for the people that got into
Speaker 1: NFL Network in the early days, was one of the
Speaker 1: most enjoyable parts of the NFL Network. He was like
Speaker 1: a players correspondent and then sort of was an analyst,
Speaker 1: and like the networks a lot more serious, takes itself
Speaker 1: a little more seriously than it did. Probably they just
Speaker 1: let Brenton Buckner kind of have them to lay the
Speaker 1: land in two thousand and six, and he was He
Speaker 1: was awesome. You know how Sam Farmer just got into
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame Journalism wing for his coverage of
Speaker 1: Los Angeles and the scene. Yeah, that's a big achievement
Speaker 1: by Mr Farmer. That's that's your ticket to Canton in
Speaker 1: terms of your knowledge of NFL network history, especially the
Speaker 1: early days, the wild wild West days, which no one
Speaker 1: has as plugged in as you are, Greg. I mean
Speaker 1: you referenced it many times on the show, like you
Speaker 1: know NFL network better than anyone else. Well, I watched
Speaker 1: the most I ever watched it was the first four
Speaker 1: years it was on because I'm just stuck in a
Speaker 1: in a you know, apartment in New York City hoping
Speaker 1: they have some news on for me. Uh. A couple
Speaker 1: of thoughts we hit on Antonio Brown. He was obviously
Speaker 1: a big part. I was so fearing the hot air
Speaker 1: balloon scene. I thought, that's the kind of thing. I
Speaker 1: can't say. I thought that the way that they shot it,
Speaker 1: I want to get on the hot air balloon. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be Dante Stalworth and crash into a
Speaker 1: telephone pole in Miami. But like, I thought that the
Speaker 1: way they shot it like subverted what I thought it
Speaker 1: would look like it was. He was less annoying. The
Speaker 1: whole thing was just relaxing. Was like Antonio. I hope
Speaker 1: they don't have a random test when he gets off
Speaker 1: the off the balloon out of the basket. I have
Speaker 1: one of those tests. Probably. Well, he may seems to
Speaker 1: be very relaxed, very relaxed. I noticed that his comment
Speaker 1: about the basketballs they all follow out right, that that's
Speaker 1: not getting as much traction as Jared Goff's sunrise sunset
Speaker 1: thing east And how long would it take to put
Speaker 1: two seventy five thousand basketball is in a balloon anyway?
Speaker 1: Um Jonathan Abram, one of the first round picks, the
Speaker 1: safety he stood out. He seemed to really like the camera.
Speaker 1: You could either think that's fun or that could get
Speaker 1: on your radar. I can see where you are on
Speaker 1: that mark. I just I get I get think that
Speaker 1: like if you looked at the reaction to there was
Speaker 1: there were probably two camps like he's the breakout star.
Speaker 1: I don't know star means likable, because I I thought
Speaker 1: that he was. And I'm not trying to be an
Speaker 1: old idiot about this. And there was a little disrespectful
Speaker 1: to Grood and saying you can't cut me, you know,
Speaker 1: no matter what I do. There was a twinkle in
Speaker 1: his eye at he created an awkward situation with Derek
Speaker 1: Carr at the dinner where like, this guy's taking everyone else.
Speaker 1: It just runned me a little bit the wrong way.
Speaker 1: And I thought on NFL Network today Steve Smith felt
Speaker 1: the same way and called him out about hitting people
Speaker 1: in a pathless practice, and you know, and Abram turned
Speaker 1: around or he he basically turned around and said challenge
Speaker 1: Steve Smith, like you'd be scared of me if I
Speaker 1: did that to you. And it's like Steve Smith was like, no,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. Like. I mean, at some point settled down
Speaker 1: just a bit. But one of the subplots is like
Speaker 1: how the cameras change things. I mean, someone a Raiders
Speaker 1: reporter who's been watching all this says he thinks he
Speaker 1: just thinks people are ten to fiftcent more on guard
Speaker 1: or a little different when when the cameras are around,
Speaker 1: like of course, like the cameras kind of changed the
Speaker 1: alchemy of everything, Like I think of that with the
Speaker 1: Gruden's that like all of it, but that's that's part
Speaker 1: of it. It's fun. And my final thought was Derek Carr,
Speaker 1: who's friend of the show Future m v P obviously
Speaker 1: UM famously came on the show and unblocked Greg and
Speaker 1: I from Twitter, has a bit of a reputation as
Speaker 1: being a sensitive fellow UM and such a nice guy,
Speaker 1: like one of those guys that's almost like you're almost
Speaker 1: put off by it. I don't know. Maybe that's like
Speaker 1: the New Yorker and me that I'm a little weirded
Speaker 1: out when someone's too nice. Will does the John Gruden
Speaker 1: Derek Carr, Is that a match of personality match? I
Speaker 1: still I still have my questions, even growing at the
Speaker 1: end of the episode, he's like telling him to be mean,
Speaker 1: tell you know, He's like he said, like, you know,
Speaker 1: we gotta get you angry or something. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's in Derek Carr's nature. That to me remains when
Speaker 1: you look at for me, the Raiders in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: and beyond that marriage just seems like maybe a mismatch
Speaker 1: of personality. Wise doesn't mean he can't succeed car going
Speaker 1: forward and get back to his two thousand fifteen ways.
Speaker 1: But is that a long term marriage. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think Derek Carr there's skepticism surrounding him, not just
Speaker 1: what the coaches, but with other players. And to me,
Speaker 1: the scene with Abs Kid where he said where's Roethlisberger?
Speaker 1: I just wrote down. I hope that's not the theme
Speaker 1: of the Raiders season. H yeah, um, there you go.
Speaker 1: So check it out NFL dot com slash handsas every Tuesday,
Speaker 1: we'll have recaps up on the site. And by the way,
Speaker 1: the intro is unbelievable with the well the autumn win,
Speaker 1: Like where else are you seeing poetry on HBO just
Speaker 1: you know, read for like a minute, which they also
Speaker 1: did in the middle of it. It's cool. I I
Speaker 1: kind of like the way. I mean, there's very little
Speaker 1: about any other team or any other sport that has
Speaker 1: the tradition of the Raiders. Like I'm still into the
Speaker 1: Raiders being the Raiders, that they have the Cliff Branch jersey,
Speaker 1: that Mark Davis and Al Davis like I don't know.
Speaker 1: There is something special about the right. I like that
Speaker 1: they really played to that history. There's only a few
Speaker 1: of those franchises, and it's it's cool to see that.
Speaker 1: The facenda remix of the Hard Knocks theme was unbelievable. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, finally, let's do it. Let's have a little fun.
Speaker 1: We haven't done this. We usually do this, like during
Speaker 1: the quieter times. I'll be kind of we held off
Speaker 1: this year. Um, when we make those fun old playoff predictions,
Speaker 1: and what do you do? All right, I explained to
Speaker 1: the time. I'm not doing the math again. I'm not
Speaker 1: doing it again. I got it right. What are the
Speaker 1: chances I get it right twice? Not high? Let's stay
Speaker 1: out of it anyway. I reached out to research. Okay,
Speaker 1: I reached out to NFL research before the show, and
Speaker 1: uh new playoff teams by season okay, dating back to
Speaker 1: two thousand, fourteen five and fourteen four and fifteen six
Speaker 1: and sixteen eighteen seven, and so twelve teams to make
Speaker 1: the playoffs. You do the math, it's it's the turnover
Speaker 1: is over fifty on average, and look at the worst
Speaker 1: of first Then when you go teams that finished the
Speaker 1: previous season in fourth place, they go all the way
Speaker 1: back to first place. It happens every year, and usually
Speaker 1: multiple times. The Redskins did it in twenty fifteen four
Speaker 1: and twelve to nine and seven. The Cowboys in sixteen
Speaker 1: went four and twelve to thirteen and three, the Jags
Speaker 1: three and thirteen to ten and six, and twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: the Eagles seven to nine to thirteen and three in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. The Bears last year and the Texans
Speaker 1: last year both went worst to first five and eleven
Speaker 1: to twelve and four four to twelve and eleven and five, respectively.
Speaker 1: So there you go, that's gonna happen again. History is instructive,
Speaker 1: as Chris Westling famously says, thanks to um so, I
Speaker 1: say that to set the primer that we're probably gonna
Speaker 1: be right with some of these predictions. So let's give
Speaker 1: it a whirl. I'll tell you how I did it.
Speaker 1: By the way, I looked at the ten teams from
Speaker 1: each conference, and I put stars next to three, and
Speaker 1: then I ranked them one to three most likely to
Speaker 1: do it. And then I did the same thing the
Speaker 1: opposite way in terms of the teams that made it
Speaker 1: most likely to fall out, very scientific, very scientific, and
Speaker 1: look at the research I did. I went through l
Speaker 1: a researchers one just an amazing crew here at NFL Media,
Speaker 1: we would not be um the giant that we are
Speaker 1: without the research team. Mark get us going. Let's start
Speaker 1: with you, and please do not be bashful. You know,
Speaker 1: don't leave a certain team out that plays in the
Speaker 1: Midwest just because just because well I'm not. I am
Speaker 1: going to the Midwest, but it's not where you think potentially.
Speaker 1: I have had my suspicions about the Chicago Bears. You
Speaker 1: feel like everything last year it was a great story.
Speaker 1: I like the organization, awesome fan base. So let's leave
Speaker 1: all that by the side of the road. Twelve and
Speaker 1: four last year in a division where I think the
Speaker 1: Vikings were still figuring themselves out. A lot went wrong
Speaker 1: with the Packers. Last year was sort of a meltdown Organizationally,
Speaker 1: they are reborn green Bay and I'm not a huge
Speaker 1: green Bay supporter. But if we're going to wait a second,
Speaker 1: I don't want to send my time out, but that
Speaker 1: I'm coaching the game, I'll call time out. You're not
Speaker 1: buying that you've been you don't buy that I here
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I don't buy them as automatic Super
Speaker 1: Bowl contenders, but this division, to me is totally wide open,
Speaker 1: and I think you've got you've got. You still have
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers at the peak of his career. I think
Speaker 1: for all this business about can Aaron Rodgers and Matt
Speaker 1: Laflour get through their how the pre snap adjustments work
Speaker 1: in all this business? Don't care. I think they've reloaded
Speaker 1: on defense. I like the upgrade from Dom Capers to
Speaker 1: Mike Patton. Always have your instincts on the Packers, it
Speaker 1: should be pointing out, have been pretty darn good. I
Speaker 1: didn't like him at all last year, and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying I'm signing up signing then we talked about I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I don't like them, but part of it
Speaker 1: is like, I don't think that there's some sort of
Speaker 1: roving trash bag there. There's talent on it's a barrassing.
Speaker 1: I think the Bears, the Bears last year, are these
Speaker 1: teams where you are getting American You're getting you're getting
Speaker 1: turnovers every single week, You're getting key touchdowns off of turnovers.
Speaker 1: You're winning games with those defensive touchdowns by three or
Speaker 1: four points. And you're hearing reports of Mr Drabinsky, and
Speaker 1: I listen, I wish him well, but that he's already
Speaker 1: been very inconsistent in an offense that I thought schemed
Speaker 1: around the quarterback as well as you could possibly ask
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and you're asking him to make a
Speaker 1: big league, big leap. If that defense doesn't come in
Speaker 1: under a new coordinator and double down on what they
Speaker 1: did last year. I just think the door is open
Speaker 1: for and I think we're gonna see it right in
Speaker 1: Week one, that there's gonna be a little bit of
Speaker 1: a snake bit feeling to the to the Chicago Bears
Speaker 1: this year. It's not gonna go just like last year
Speaker 1: and Green Bay everything went wrong last year. If even
Speaker 1: five things that went wrong don't go wrong this year,
Speaker 1: and let's start with Daron Rodgers plan all every game,
Speaker 1: then I I would be I would be absolutely fine
Speaker 1: with a totally healthy, from wire to wire Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: a rebuilt defense um without Don Caper's falling to sleep
Speaker 1: up in the booth went and key situation, and an
Speaker 1: offensive group that I believe in just enough to win
Speaker 1: the division or at least not take that playoff spot
Speaker 1: away from Chicago. Okay, so you're doing the one for one,
Speaker 1: you're pass Bears out and Capers. You know, you know
Speaker 1: rest in peace. That was not their coordinator last I
Speaker 1: know he wasn't, but but Mike Patton was not the
Speaker 1: major issues I'm this Monday show. But um, all right,
Speaker 1: let me jump in here and say I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I was surprised because I knew you weren't a big
Speaker 1: Packers guy of late, because I also think the Bears.
Speaker 1: I am an objective journalist. No offense to the Bears,
Speaker 1: but all the things you just said I agree with.
Speaker 1: So I had them number one on my list to
Speaker 1: fall out. And it's not all because I think the
Speaker 1: Bears are gonna collapse, but because that division it's I
Speaker 1: think year to year it's just chaotic. But I have
Speaker 1: the Vikings as that team that come in and go
Speaker 1: and get the Bears and kind of take back the
Speaker 1: North after Um, what was a disappointing season. I've talked
Speaker 1: about it last week's show. I don't need to go
Speaker 1: down that road again. Why I think the Vikings will
Speaker 1: be better, but they're my pick and I had the
Speaker 1: Packers too, So I do think we're going to see
Speaker 1: a shake up in that NFC North, and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be very difficult for the Bears UH to repeat what
Speaker 1: they did last year. Now, West, you like Trabisky, I
Speaker 1: think a little bit more. Mitt Robisky could get better,
Speaker 1: and he was just in his second year, right. I
Speaker 1: am wholly unconcerned about any training camp practice reports about
Speaker 1: Mitchell Drobisky. That doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. What
Speaker 1: I do like is that Matt. There are only I
Speaker 1: don't know less than fewer than ten coaches in the
Speaker 1: NFL who are great at getting UH playmakers the ball
Speaker 1: in space, and Matt Naggi is one of them. He
Speaker 1: did it with three Cohen last year. Now he has
Speaker 1: Cordarrel Patterson, he's got David Montgomery, he's got Mike Davis.
Speaker 1: He's got a lot more players to get the ball
Speaker 1: in their hands. I I think that offense takes a
Speaker 1: step forward. The defense they're too talented to me to
Speaker 1: fall apart unless there's injuries. But I do expect major regression,
Speaker 1: as Mark Mark pointed out, I don't expect the twelve
Speaker 1: and fourteen and they were incredibly healthy last year, especially
Speaker 1: on defense. Mac missed about a quarter of the or
Speaker 1: at least wasn't mac for about a quarter of the
Speaker 1: year that but other than that they were very healthy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think to me, the best argument against the Bears
Speaker 1: is just I think the NFC has so many good
Speaker 1: teams that you shake it all up. You just look
Speaker 1: at ten eleven teams, where four to five of them
Speaker 1: are going to be left out of the playoffs, and
Speaker 1: they're pants. Their fans are gonna be pissed, Like there's
Speaker 1: expectations they're pretty high for about eleven teams that that
Speaker 1: where if they don't make the playoffs, people are going
Speaker 1: to be mad. And the Bears to me, are in
Speaker 1: the toughest division, in the toughest conference, UM West. Why
Speaker 1: don't you, why don't you give us um your pick? Well,
Speaker 1: there was out of all the playoff teams, there was
Speaker 1: one team that stuck out like a sore thumb to
Speaker 1: me as the obvious choice, and it's the Houston Texans.
Speaker 1: They according to Warren Sharp of Sharp Football, they faced
Speaker 1: only two quarterbacks last year finished above average and success rate.
Speaker 1: They played the easiest schedule of quarterbacks in the last
Speaker 1: or plus years. They face nine backups or rookies at quarterback,
Speaker 1: and they had the NFL's easiest overall schedule. This year,
Speaker 1: they're projected to have the hardest schedule in the NFL.
Speaker 1: They're facing Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady, Andrew Luck, Drew Brees,
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, Cam Newton, Matt Ryan Um and they're the
Speaker 1: only one of these playoff teams with two major glaring
Speaker 1: weak spots, the offensive line in the secondary. That secondary
Speaker 1: a little bit was covered up by the fact that
Speaker 1: they faced so many bad quarterbacks last year, but they
Speaker 1: weren't good last year and I think they got worse
Speaker 1: this offseason. Um and those two glaring week spots they
Speaker 1: have are the two week spots that are hardest to
Speaker 1: fill by rookies. You put an offensive lineman rookie in
Speaker 1: a cornerback rookie, they're usually gonna struggle into first year's
Speaker 1: I just see this as a threadbare roster. They have
Speaker 1: some stars that can elevate the team and that's how
Speaker 1: they win games. But I don't see this as a
Speaker 1: as a playoff team. Cleveland Browns. There it is. Somebody
Speaker 1: had to say it. I was hoping Mark would, I mean,
Speaker 1: on my paper, I have something very similar exactly that.
Speaker 1: It's just that it feels so obvious for me to
Speaker 1: go there, and I'm a little I'm trying to simmer
Speaker 1: down on the moment. There's already this Brown's exhaustion that
Speaker 1: I feel nationally, which is tedious to me. So I'm
Speaker 1: trying to you know, I'm not jumping on the bandwagon.
Speaker 1: Is some sort of zeal lout? Is that that's pronounced
Speaker 1: I pronounced it zeal lot. Everyone else pronounced this where
Speaker 1: it's completely on the show, so nerd. Also, Matt Khalil,
Speaker 1: I can't believe that A He's there left at off.
Speaker 1: I can't believe that a super more hopeful is what
Speaker 1: you Texans think they are, is entering a season with
Speaker 1: him as there. By the way, I don't know who
Speaker 1: the d M is. I guess it's Bill O'Brien. Go
Speaker 1: call the Redskins. I mean, not officially, but yeah it is.
Speaker 1: It is. Trent Williams is there to be had. And
Speaker 1: if you fancy in cap room and Clowney's out there
Speaker 1: unsigned and use that cap room, use the room, get
Speaker 1: cap room, give up. I don't know what was it
Speaker 1: gonna cast your second round? Pick maybe a third, maybe
Speaker 1: a third and a fourth or something. Do it because
Speaker 1: you can't leave Watson. This guy has got absolutely destroyed.
Speaker 1: Especially last year. You like set records in the Beast
Speaker 1: sex taken since two thousand six, and the hits were
Speaker 1: off their charts to yes, and here's another week spot.
Speaker 1: If you take out Deshaun Watson's runs, the Texans would
Speaker 1: have finished dead last in rushing d v o A
Speaker 1: for a football outsider and they're they're one injury away
Speaker 1: in the backfield of having literally nothing. And yet if
Speaker 1: you're a Texans I agree with you. By the way,
Speaker 1: they would have been very close to the top of
Speaker 1: my list of the teams that fall off. But if
Speaker 1: you're Texans fans, you can't make an argument like the
Speaker 1: receiver group. If if Kiki qt and right and u
Speaker 1: Will Fuller's healthy, like that's the best receiver group they've
Speaker 1: ever had. You have Watson, you have what fully healthy
Speaker 1: coming into a season and I want to be a billionaire.
Speaker 1: There's there's recipes then it was last time. You still
Speaker 1: agree with you because that division another division where I
Speaker 1: think there's no easy games in that division, and you
Speaker 1: could see them going two and four. We were we
Speaker 1: were killing Houston's floor last last off season two and
Speaker 1: it's not the same. It's it's gotten worse in some areas.
Speaker 1: But that was the concern. They could they could be
Speaker 1: a playoff team where they could be four and twelve.
Speaker 1: They were twelve and four last year. If you guys
Speaker 1: make good points by the way, I but you know,
Speaker 1: every once in a while on the show, you gotta
Speaker 1: just go sit on a mountain, get your sword and
Speaker 1: shield out and just fight up there. So I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna stay on Texans mountain, and you guys, even the
Speaker 1: Texans guys interesting stands from you. You got like the
Speaker 1: catapult thing with the rock on it. Like you guys,
Speaker 1: you got the fire. You've been right more than not.
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien's had a winning thing in the playoffs every
Speaker 1: year that his quarterback didn't get hurt. This also stems
Speaker 1: been a great team. But this stems from a Dan.
Speaker 1: I believe it was an article or that you wrote
Speaker 1: where Houston Talk Radio was tracking you down because you
Speaker 1: destroyed the Texans and like they were, the whole city
Speaker 1: was after you. You know, the way that Bill O'Brien
Speaker 1: found in the worst division in football, that's the way.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm talking about. Because he's not that
Speaker 1: great of a coach. Twaite A second, he beat out
Speaker 1: your colts for the division title last year and then
Speaker 1: got smoked sixteen games. They were the better team. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. All right, I'll throw another one
Speaker 1: out there. By the one thing I I was looking
Speaker 1: at football UM outsiders or the Almanac look at you
Speaker 1: and yeah, see preparation for a show. Everybody should look
Speaker 1: into it. You know, they're not as bullish on the Browns.
Speaker 1: I was surprised they see them and their projections. Greg
Speaker 1: and I were talking about they have them. Uh usually
Speaker 1: they're a little modest with they're not gonna You're not
Speaker 1: gonna see a lot of projected for thirteen point two wins.
Speaker 1: But they have him as an eight win team. And
Speaker 1: they cited, yes, the offensive line, which you've talked about
Speaker 1: a lot mark, but also that the defense specifically, they
Speaker 1: were takeaway machines last year. And if the one thing
Speaker 1: in all these and Bill Barnwell wrote a piece on
Speaker 1: ESPN that was in a similar realm to a we're
Speaker 1: talking about right now. Teams that will regress and get better.
Speaker 1: Two things that don't carry over is turnover. Right that
Speaker 1: very rarely can you do the same thing two years
Speaker 1: in a row if you did it really well and
Speaker 1: record in um close games. So the teams and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys he picked as a regression team because I believe
Speaker 1: they were eight and two two in those such games.
Speaker 1: Those things tend to balance out cosmically, and the Browns
Speaker 1: for those reasons, they saw as a five night I
Speaker 1: totally agree. Can I make one quick counter that they
Speaker 1: look at games where I think they had like six
Speaker 1: turnovers in week the Week one tie with the Steelers,
Speaker 1: where those turnovers didn't generate or turn into wins, and
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson before he was fired, lost so many close games.
Speaker 1: I mean, they lost games they should have won. They
Speaker 1: lost games because of their kickers. So it's not like
Speaker 1: they're one of those teams that out of their seven wins,
Speaker 1: they all came in these flukey last second, pick six
Speaker 1: type scenarios. So I the eight wins is not crazy.
Speaker 1: You can also compensate for some of that regression by
Speaker 1: adding talent such as Olivier Vernon, Sheldon Richardson, Greedy Williams
Speaker 1: like the other their offensive left tackle, right guard, right
Speaker 1: tackle is highly suspect. Right. There was an article last
Speaker 1: week in the Cleveland plane dealer. Is it time to
Speaker 1: start worrying about Greg Robinson? I was like, if you're
Speaker 1: asking the question, it's too late. Why did you go
Speaker 1: into the season with him as you start worrying about him?
Speaker 1: I've been worrying about it. I think we all have.
Speaker 1: They have four years. They have the Houston Texans left
Speaker 1: tackle from last year as their backup, and then the
Speaker 1: other statistic the data that they say, Greg, and this
Speaker 1: kind of flies in the face of your geno Smith
Speaker 1: Week sixteen and seventeen, two thousand fourteen, that you've been
Speaker 1: dying for four years. I've been I went back and
Speaker 1: watch the tape. I absolutely would will not be betting
Speaker 1: against Mayfield. But they said that there's no data backing
Speaker 1: up a strong second half. Corroborates in two of the
Speaker 1: game film um following season UM. Usually the full season
Speaker 1: sample size is the more trusting data. Historically, I can
Speaker 1: still look at the throws he makes and the kind
Speaker 1: of throws he makes, though that'll carry over. All I'm
Speaker 1: saying is I think it's important with the Browns to
Speaker 1: throw this stuff out there, just like the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: First of all, I can't stand people. I don't feel
Speaker 1: like if I ever done that. I'm saying that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm trying to counter what's annoying you. Those
Speaker 1: clowns are driving me nuts because like, how about going
Speaker 1: don't start one in five? The the early schedule is brutal. Well,
Speaker 1: I know that as a former Bengals fan. If you're
Speaker 1: trying to climb out of the seller and eradicate ghosts,
Speaker 1: you gotta the next year after you finally show progress,
Speaker 1: do not go over October. All right, we're creeping up
Speaker 1: by an hour. Give us one more. I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta sneak one in. Because this was inspired um by
Speaker 1: Bill Barnwell, who had his uh five teams that are
Speaker 1: going to improve and get worse uh this season. We try,
Speaker 1: We were going to try to have him on the show.
Speaker 1: Didn't work out scheduling wise. Shut up. But he's also
Speaker 1: a competing podcast, and I'm sure he was thinking to himself,
Speaker 1: I'm not going on the you know, really, he was
Speaker 1: taping I'm not going on that show because I want
Speaker 1: to beat that show. He's on a day, he's on
Speaker 1: a gambling show on ESPN that we don't he was taping. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I brought that up. It's one
Speaker 1: of my favorite articles every year, and I I was
Speaker 1: gonna try to like get some spicier ones, but to me,
Speaker 1: I'll take the easiest ones now that left on the board,
Speaker 1: because you guys have taken to me. The Seahawks are
Speaker 1: almost the most obvious here. The defense, the defensive talent
Speaker 1: is just not great. I don't really trust the offensive
Speaker 1: coaching staff. You have Russell Wilson, but if you just
Speaker 1: stack up their rosters and you put that on most
Speaker 1: teams like that looks like a like a six seven
Speaker 1: win eight when you know team at best. I give
Speaker 1: Pekar a lot of credit, but in that conference, I'm
Speaker 1: not really feeling the Seattle Seahawks, and we didn't feel
Speaker 1: this time around there. I just think the roster is
Speaker 1: even worse than it was. They have injuries, the defensive
Speaker 1: line especially I don't like. And then I think just
Speaker 1: people are ignoring the Steelers too much. Any team that
Speaker 1: has been Roethlisberger and that continuity on offense and overall,
Speaker 1: I really like the defensive talent, Like they haven't performed
Speaker 1: as as consistently as you would like, but for the
Speaker 1: most part they've been a pretty good defense. I think
Speaker 1: they've got very good players. They've got the best quarterback
Speaker 1: in that division, you know, until proven otherwise, I believe,
Speaker 1: and to me, they should be one of the a
Speaker 1: f C Super Bowl favorites. And they're just kind of
Speaker 1: not a fun team to talk about right now. But Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh put him in. I think it's fair. So you're
Speaker 1: not swapping them, you're just throwing them the Steelers NFC
Speaker 1: playoff team in this exercise. Easy to the Steelers. I've
Speaker 1: taken out the Texans and uh I'll probably take out
Speaker 1: I haven't really decided. Then you have to do it
Speaker 1: that Chargers were next up on a Chargers would all
Speaker 1: of you where I would go next? Um, although the Ravens,
Speaker 1: I think just because they're in that division, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be it's gonna be tricky. I doubt this was addressed
Speaker 1: on Monday show, uh West, but I think maybe a
Speaker 1: correction as an order we talked about uh DK Metcalf,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was that was my fault. I got duped. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was. We were talking about, you know, whether or
Speaker 1: not Shawks, so we'll get putting too many eggs in
Speaker 1: the Metcalf basket is a rookie. Um. You know the
Speaker 1: guy that fell almost fell out of the second round. West.
Speaker 1: You had mentioned that he had been asking for pictures
Speaker 1: and practice and size honor and and that was probably
Speaker 1: some people a long way, but that was actually not
Speaker 1: a real thing, though I thought I got dupes by. Basically,
Speaker 1: there's a new site that is like somebody tweeted me this,
Speaker 1: so I thought we should bring it up. It's like
Speaker 1: the onion for Rhoda World blurbs, and I fell hook
Speaker 1: line and sinker for it. I have since been um
Speaker 1: in contact with some of the people who run that site,
Speaker 1: and they are friends of our show. Oh they are.
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to give him a piece
Speaker 1: of your mind the way you're setting up it's the
Speaker 1: guys from the guys who did the fantasy Land podcast
Speaker 1: said something to me about that it made the reddit born.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to bother you with it. I thought
Speaker 1: we just like I thought, in fairness and in no
Speaker 1: way West to put to blow up your spot. But
Speaker 1: in fairness to DK Metcalf, we're not the National Inquiry here.
Speaker 1: We didn't want to know. Absolutely. I was wrong for
Speaker 1: even bringing it up, and I apologize to d K
Speaker 1: and we're not the Weekly World News. Remember the Weekly
Speaker 1: World News had like bat Boy has been found like
Speaker 1: every week male baby born pregnant, you know, typically with
Speaker 1: a common theme. Um, all right, that was true. By
Speaker 1: the way, that baby was pregnant, which was well, no,
Speaker 1: it was this was a separate baby born, a male
Speaker 1: baby born pregnant. True, male baby born pregnant. Tough break,
Speaker 1: a lot of red tape. All right, We'll be back
Speaker 1: on Friday with another, um incredible, cunning episode of the
Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast. UM, so make sure you check
Speaker 1: that out. And yeah, we have a lot coming up
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Speaker 1: twenty nine season. Exciting times, uh for both the members
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Speaker 1: Hollywood uh and all the listeners. Thanks. These are the
Speaker 1: good times, right they are are? You can hear it
Speaker 1: in your voice. Pretty good, It's pretty good. Prictor. I
Speaker 1: just want to say real quick, when you guys were
Speaker 1: talking cowboys, I was at Cowboys camp yesterday and every
Speaker 1: every pass was to Randall Cobb or Jason Winn. So
Speaker 1: watch out for for those connections. Just to heads up
Speaker 1: side Randall cop only write this on Jason went, you
Speaker 1: know what, save save that for the Fantasy corner because
Speaker 1: that's coming up later this month. In fact, we gotta
Speaker 1: get on that. Maybe next week, well the Fantasy Extravaganza
Speaker 1: or the week after. We'll figure that out. See, that's
Speaker 1: the stuff we'll do after we sign up. So let's
Speaker 1: let's end the show. We gotta work out the schedule. Shout,
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