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Speaker 1: All right, good serious time, Hi everybody, welcome back from
Speaker 1: the weekend Um West. How was your I know you
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Speaker 1: good night, good times. Very good. You were there, imagine
Speaker 1: I was briefly I had I had my kids with me,
Speaker 1: so it was an early departure. I hear that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it raged out. Yeah. Patrick Clayban came over with his
Speaker 1: son Malcolm. But yeah, we were both leaving, probably as
Speaker 1: the party was just about to get really rip roaring.
Speaker 1: I was, it was Unfortunately I was unable to attend
Speaker 1: double birthday scenario. When you get hit with a double birthday,
Speaker 1: you gotta go underneath, you gotta go on the ground.
Speaker 1: How to take care of the boy, how to take
Speaker 1: care of the wife? No room for daddy to make plans.
Speaker 1: Good performance by spice Rack, nice, Spicy doing Spicy is
Speaker 1: doing well? Uh, you know, Colleen John were there? Good?
Speaker 1: Is there any value to spice Rack on this show
Speaker 1: now that he's not in the desert. Let's just let's
Speaker 1: just be honest about this. It's a fair question, spice Rack.
Speaker 1: Of course your desert consigliary you would go to, we
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Speaker 1: uh coming up on today's show. Okay, So we're about
Speaker 1: two weeks deep in training camp and we have one
Speaker 1: week of the preseason in the book, so perfect time
Speaker 1: to take stock of what's going on in the National
Speaker 1: Football League. Some winners and losers. Uh thus far in August.
Speaker 1: Also a lot to get to, including yes, more heat
Speaker 1: around Antonio Browns. Will get to that in just a moment.
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Speaker 1: Serious XM. Let's do some news. Rickyone's still fighting for
Speaker 1: spot on the team. You can you tell me how
Speaker 1: in quest you are with some of the players that
Speaker 1: are considered to be on the bubble and can you
Speaker 1: get any names? Yeah, I don't know what the bubble is,
Speaker 1: so I don't know who that is. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know who that is. I mean I mean, listen, the
Speaker 1: woman not a great question. The bubble is a widely
Speaker 1: understood and known terms. So Belichick is banging around that one,
Speaker 1: but he's never gonna say who's on the bubble? Right,
Speaker 1: that's saying like whose job is on the line? No, No,
Speaker 1: he knows what the bles what? But he knows what
Speaker 1: the bubble is. It's like when he says my face
Speaker 1: at that point, he knows all right. As the Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown world turns, Yes, that's what the Oakland Raiders are
Speaker 1: all about now, Antonio Brown and all the drama. Uh there,
Speaker 1: and so let's get into it. So, yes, where where
Speaker 1: we last left off? The last episode? Uh, both in
Speaker 1: the soap opera and our podcast was that uh Mike Silver,
Speaker 1: our own Mike Silver NFL Network, Uh released that twenty
Speaker 1: part thread, all the nuggets about um, his anger about
Speaker 1: the helmet, about his behavior and team meetings, about storming
Speaker 1: out of the facility and being a wall all that.
Speaker 1: So then we get a report that comes out that
Speaker 1: Adam Schefter reports Brown has told the Raiders he quote
Speaker 1: will not play football again if the league does not
Speaker 1: allow him to wear his preferred helmet. So where have
Speaker 1: we gone from here? Okay, So John Bruden after the
Speaker 1: raiders um preseason opener, is asked to give comment on
Speaker 1: the situation. There's no way he can avoid it, and
Speaker 1: he's kind of in a tough spot because you can't
Speaker 1: really come down against Brown. It's a very sense of situation.
Speaker 1: Here's what Gruden had to say when asked about it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna support him and whatever his decision is, um,
Speaker 1: we'll stand by it. But we're we're confident that he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a huge factor for the Raiders for years
Speaker 1: to come, years to come. That's funny. Uh. Then the
Speaker 1: athletic report of the Brown he plans on holding out
Speaker 1: holding the NFL libel if he suffers a head injury
Speaker 1: while wearing this new league approved helmet, which again everyone
Speaker 1: in the NFL after the one year grandfather period last
Speaker 1: year has to wear this new helmet. But Brown is
Speaker 1: in attempting to um call the NFL's bluff with the
Speaker 1: possibility that he could come after them down the line
Speaker 1: for any type of head injury. But he can choose
Speaker 1: between twenty plus helmets. He just can't wear one that's
Speaker 1: more than ten years old and doesn't pass you know,
Speaker 1: the players Union and the NFL specifications, he has a
Speaker 1: lot of toys. And then finally, and you touched on it,
Speaker 1: Greg that this is an issue that for once the
Speaker 1: union in the NFL probably will be on the same
Speaker 1: page on. But Brian McCarthy, who works in the NFL,
Speaker 1: made it clear and a statement that a player cannot
Speaker 1: play or practice without a league approved equipment. It's out
Speaker 1: of out of the question. So where does that leave us?
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown still missing? Oh and s he still has
Speaker 1: frost bitten feet and the thing too. Following the Raiders
Speaker 1: preseason game, John Gruden said, I support this guy. I
Speaker 1: think that's what needs to be said. And I think
Speaker 1: the problem isn't that John Gruden U took a calculated
Speaker 1: risk and traded for Antonio Brown. The problem is that
Speaker 1: he gave him a mega contract, which goes against the
Speaker 1: culture he's trying to institute with his draft picks. Cleveland Ferrell,
Speaker 1: their number one pick on NFL Network Today, says, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to reinforce a whole new culture. Your rookie first
Speaker 1: rounder is trying to enforce a new culture. And the
Speaker 1: guy you traded for, rewarded him for his behavior in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: is now he's really undermining your program. He's undermining John
Speaker 1: Grooting's program, and the Emperor has no clothes. Like to me,
Speaker 1: I'm not buying into this guy. If him in that
Speaker 1: locker room, I mean, the program is chaos. That's always
Speaker 1: been the Raiders program. I know, and you love that,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't work. It doesn't work. It worked back in.
Speaker 1: You trade him, don't pay him, but you pay Antonio.
Speaker 1: And I've been thinking more about that lately that it
Speaker 1: is really funny to think back on that. Khalil Mack,
Speaker 1: who is being lauded every day in Bears camp as
Speaker 1: the ultimate leader because he goes balls to the wall,
Speaker 1: hardest worker on the team, destroying everyone every day in practice.
Speaker 1: Working hard is not Antonio Brown's no problem. No, But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like Khalil Mack was exactly. They didn't
Speaker 1: want to pay Khalil Mack for whatever reason, and and
Speaker 1: instead you pay Antonio Brown. That said, we still have
Speaker 1: like three or four weeks. If I was a Raiders fan,
Speaker 1: I'd be more concerned about the feat than the helmet,
Speaker 1: because the helmet is so silly and so ridiculous. That's
Speaker 1: like he has to wear the helmet. I would be
Speaker 1: more concerned with the brain and the helmet or the feet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. It's a big test for Hard Knocks.
Speaker 1: I know you got your eyes on that. Yes, so
Speaker 1: we're talking about it downstairs. It is one of the
Speaker 1: more anticipated episodes of Hard Knocks ever and they're in
Speaker 1: a tough spot in the sense that how much access
Speaker 1: are the Raiders gonna give? And if the Raiders say
Speaker 1: we're not giving you any access on the story, which
Speaker 1: is the biggest story in the NFL, it kind of
Speaker 1: defeats the purpose of what Hard Knocks is supposed to be.
Speaker 1: So it will be very interesting, and you wonder what's
Speaker 1: going on behind the scenes with NFL Films and Ken Rodgers,
Speaker 1: who runs the show for Hard Knocks, and the pushback
Speaker 1: between the team and the league on this. And he's
Speaker 1: still away. He's still away from the team. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's still just doing whatever he wants. That is, that
Speaker 1: is the part that is. And still two practices cut him.
Speaker 1: They're never gonna cut him. He poisons your team. Don
Speaker 1: Gruden said he'll be with them for years to come,
Speaker 1: and you know what, well that's not true. But he's
Speaker 1: gonna make it to Vegas. I would bet it on it.
Speaker 1: I'll put a sandwich on that. But also if he
Speaker 1: did get cut West, there would be a line of
Speaker 1: teams looking sign him. Still now there wouldn't maybe not
Speaker 1: even close to the money that he was able to
Speaker 1: get from the Raiders, because I believe that you can
Speaker 1: more than two look at his numbers the last five years.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows what his numbers are. That gets to a
Speaker 1: point where the guy isn't worth it. I'm saying that
Speaker 1: would be your opinion as a GM. But you don't
Speaker 1: think there would be two, three four. I don't think
Speaker 1: there would be more than two teams on dan side.
Speaker 1: I think at a at a certain price, there'd be
Speaker 1: plenty of teams and that would be into it all right?
Speaker 1: Oh man, I love it's a second news item. We're
Speaker 1: gonna get into We're gonna step into the club. Wasn't
Speaker 1: that news the weekend? You know, the Ravens. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: need I'm gonna need some help with his name. But
Speaker 1: the Ravens had this kicker Norwegian guy bed Vic. Sure,
Speaker 1: why not? Anyway? He Um has been a lights out
Speaker 1: performer for the Ravens for the past two training cast
Speaker 1: but here's the problem. He's blocked. He's blocked as a
Speaker 1: kicker by Justin Tucker, who's the goat, and then even
Speaker 1: as a punter, because this kid can punt too. But
Speaker 1: Sam Cotch, he's one of the best punters in football,
Speaker 1: Raven said, and I set up their special teams. So
Speaker 1: you know, it started bubbling, bubbling, bubbling, bubbling, bubbling that
Speaker 1: this Vedvic kid was gonna get moved. And he does.
Speaker 1: Three days after he goes nuts. Uh. In the preseason opener,
Speaker 1: great performance, launched two fifty plus yard punts, hit four
Speaker 1: field goals against the Jaguars. His kids like the natural.
Speaker 1: He gets traded to the ball the Minnesota Vikings five
Speaker 1: years old. Minnesota sends back a fifth round pick, so
Speaker 1: Minnesota obviously has their problems. He's gonna compete with Dan
Speaker 1: Bailey maybe with their punter. Meant while, how about this
Speaker 1: was that's a lot of draft capital to give up
Speaker 1: for a kicker. It is, it's pretty high pick. I
Speaker 1: guess they. I guess they they value the position, which
Speaker 1: they should guess. Dan Bailey should probably be kicking somewhere
Speaker 1: else this year. Well, yeah, Dan Bailey has been terrible
Speaker 1: for like two years, including whatever reason, he's just done something.
Speaker 1: But a source told ESPN um Beat writer Courtney Cronin
Speaker 1: that they want to see how he looks as a punter.
Speaker 1: That that's actually that they might see it. He wanted
Speaker 1: to create competition at both spots, and they call him
Speaker 1: a kicker punter, but it sounds like he's definitely gonna
Speaker 1: make the team as a punter, and I want to
Speaker 1: see him do it as both be a punter a kicker,
Speaker 1: save a roster spot. That would be awesome. How come
Speaker 1: this hasn't happen yet? And baseball you have Otani and
Speaker 1: the Anaheim pitcher and a hitter will not this year
Speaker 1: with the elbow injury. But I mean, if you could
Speaker 1: do that, if you could pitch and play affield, and
Speaker 1: that's that's just saving roster spots. We're in the golden
Speaker 1: age of both place kicking and punting so specialized. Now
Speaker 1: these guys are so good that it's hard to be
Speaker 1: good enough at both to push someone to push a
Speaker 1: specialist out of a job. And by the way, uh
Speaker 1: kicker trade heat. The Vikings had to give up that
Speaker 1: fifth because the Packers were reportedly in on giving up
Speaker 1: her sixth or seventh competition. And guess what and that
Speaker 1: it was what I told you about Mason Crosby. By
Speaker 1: the way, that Mason Crosby is on that cut list,
Speaker 1: potential cut list. They were ready to say bye bye Mason.
Speaker 1: Sam Ficken was a threat to his job. Point I chuckled.
Speaker 1: I said Crosby could be out and analysis he hasn't
Speaker 1: he he hasn't practiced yet. I hear the excitement in
Speaker 1: your voice. Greg, Well, good news. We're staying in the club.
Speaker 1: Stay hydrated, baby, channel A. Kevis Arrow done out of
Speaker 1: the league. Awful, awful on the Jets preseason opener. Are
Speaker 1: missing two of three extra points. The only kicker in
Speaker 1: camp for the Jets, which was a mistake. I mean,
Speaker 1: Chandler Campon's aero. Are you being serious right now? And uh?
Speaker 1: After that bad game, right when everyone knew the Jets
Speaker 1: were gonna bring in some competition, he taps out was
Speaker 1: what kind of what kind of strength of character is that?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't want to judge the guy,
Speaker 1: I never met him, but quits. You want to judge
Speaker 1: your quit twenty eight years old. It's not like he's
Speaker 1: taken hits. It's it's it's a rough It's got to
Speaker 1: be the most psychologically horrifying position in team sports. But yeah, mental,
Speaker 1: he clearly was struggling. One one beat writer and this
Speaker 1: was before he was cut, said that I forget what
Speaker 1: the word. The word was was like a just a
Speaker 1: disastrous camp that he was missing kicks off and he's
Speaker 1: the only one there, and the writers were like wondering,
Speaker 1: like this guy's like one for nine and kicks and
Speaker 1: there's no one else in the building to go. They
Speaker 1: were just like he looked in the mirror and said,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm got good enough. And you know what,
Speaker 1: maybe there is a nobility to that west But when
Speaker 1: you're twenty eight years young and in the prime of
Speaker 1: your athletic life, I'm not painting this instability. I'm just
Speaker 1: intrigued by the kicking position in the psychological warfare that
Speaker 1: it is fascinating. It is also fascinated they didn't try
Speaker 1: to resign their Pro Bowl kicker, Jason Meyer's bad job
Speaker 1: by the Jets. I agree with you. I was gonna
Speaker 1: make that point that not only was it a bad
Speaker 1: decision to not have competition with the Catman, it also
Speaker 1: was a bad idea of a team flush with cats
Speaker 1: cap space runs into Myers last year was a Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl kicker, and the deal he signed with Seattle put
Speaker 1: him as the um A dp UM ADP average pay
Speaker 1: for his position at number ten overall, not a not
Speaker 1: a huge contract. Go bring the kid back. Why am
Speaker 1: I saying kids all the time? Now, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's like a seven year old grizzled scalp. Your
Speaker 1: kicker makes like less than half of what your backup tackle,
Speaker 1: like Greg, like people, you know, kickers deserve more. I'm
Speaker 1: with you don't have a kick at it. You don't
Speaker 1: have a kick. I'm not judging the man. I'm not
Speaker 1: judging Catman, but remember was it of us? A little
Speaker 1: bit of judging? Remember that was it of Oz? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Cowardly line? Well what did you lack? What did you need?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. They're both like in the feline. I thought
Speaker 1: it was hard, but that was actually maybe it is. Wait,
Speaker 1: you just said you're not judging him, but you just
Speaker 1: called him a coward. I didn't say in a roundabout way,
Speaker 1: in a roundabout way, I did. All right, let's move on, Cardinals,
Speaker 1: some you know it's been a time no other pot
Speaker 1: is hitting the kicker that early in that hard not
Speaker 1: not even close. Um. It's been a good you know,
Speaker 1: training camp so far for the Cardinals, UM, with all
Speaker 1: the positivity and the good vibes around the number one
Speaker 1: pick Kyler Murray. But some bad news has resurfaced this weekend.
Speaker 1: Defensive lineman Darius full On Violin. Violin was arrested on
Speaker 1: Friday in Phoenix with one charge of aggravated assault with
Speaker 1: a deadly weapon. On Saturday, of the team announced it
Speaker 1: had cut him. Um. We didn't have more details of
Speaker 1: the arrest at this time, but uh, Philon, who had
Speaker 1: signed a two year contract in March, started in Thursday
Speaker 1: night's preseason game against the Chargers h and had a tackle.
Speaker 1: But obviously, um a guy that had a history, they
Speaker 1: didn't want to do anything about it. And then also
Speaker 1: off the field, you know, Steve come that was a
Speaker 1: major black eye for the organization. That that extreme d
Speaker 1: u I he got UM led to the heavy fine
Speaker 1: and a suspension. Well you know, now the CEO of
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, Ron Vineger, Uh, he was arrested for d
Speaker 1: uy and the Cardinals said in a statement that the
Speaker 1: actions were inexcusable. Time survived and perhaps just barely. I
Speaker 1: wonder if Niger has been there for a long time.
Speaker 1: I wonder if he'll be a victim, while not a victim,
Speaker 1: but if he'll end up being cast out as a
Speaker 1: you know, cautionary tale. Filon not a big name was
Speaker 1: on our top hundred free agents. I thought it was
Speaker 1: pretty good last year on the Chargers, and I think
Speaker 1: this is noteworthy just because they are as thin as
Speaker 1: any team in the NFL. On the defensive line is
Speaker 1: a terrible looking defensive line. You've got Rodney Gunter and
Speaker 1: Corey Peters or your other two starters. You've got no
Speaker 1: one on the bench. That's a bad defense overall. And
Speaker 1: then that that was gonna be My next point is
Speaker 1: that just like looking out further, you've got a bad defense.
Speaker 1: You've got Patrick Peterson suspended six games. You've got Vance
Speaker 1: Joseph running the ship, and just based on results, Vance
Speaker 1: Joseph as a coordinator or as a coach, has made
Speaker 1: the defenses he's joined worse, significantly worse. It's just if
Speaker 1: I'm a Cardinals fan, that's it. It's a bummer. You
Speaker 1: know that the defense might just be so bad that
Speaker 1: that it's gonna overshadow Murray. Uh. Moving on, let's talk
Speaker 1: about the Colts and Andrew Luck. Frank Reich of the
Speaker 1: Colts coach so that Luck will not take part in
Speaker 1: joint practices with the Cleveland Browns this week. UM. This
Speaker 1: is all connected, of course to the nagging calf injury,
Speaker 1: a calf injury that Luck has had three separate mrs
Speaker 1: trying to determine what quite is the issue. And now
Speaker 1: we are we're about three weeks out, three weeks and
Speaker 1: change out from week one, and Luck has been shut
Speaker 1: down since April. So I'm going to ask the question, Wes,
Speaker 1: is it time now to sound the alarm? Chris Westling
Speaker 1: and his concern for Andrew lux ailing calf sound the alarm?
Speaker 1: And is way too early for that? If next Monday
Speaker 1: is the alarm date, that's what you said last nime.
Speaker 1: There was two weeks ago you said, if he's not
Speaker 1: back on the field, and I said it a week ago,
Speaker 1: if he's not back in two weeks next night the
Speaker 1: tape on what west said, we want to get this,
Speaker 1: we want to get this right. It doesn't even matter
Speaker 1: what I said. It's a one point one until next Monday.
Speaker 1: That's when we already know he's not practicing this week.
Speaker 1: If he's not practicing next week, then I'm it might
Speaker 1: go up to about a five less I'm less concerned about,
Speaker 1: and maybe he'll return and be fine. I'm more concerned
Speaker 1: about the previous three and a half months where he
Speaker 1: was able to practice two days and then was her already.
Speaker 1: It's a long time, you know, for a guy that
Speaker 1: wants to be practicing and is unable to. You guys,
Speaker 1: remember how bad that heard him last year when he
Speaker 1: hent through forty touchdown all right, but what about the
Speaker 1: year before it, when the cults kept on telling us
Speaker 1: he was going to be back, to be back, to
Speaker 1: be back, and then he never played. Look, I understand
Speaker 1: because of his history, everybody's nervous, but this is a
Speaker 1: guy who did not play at all last summer, looked
Speaker 1: bad in his first game, and then went on to
Speaker 1: have well. He practiced season. He practiced from the first
Speaker 1: day of training camp basically on. He had his rest
Speaker 1: days and stuff, but it was all system and there
Speaker 1: was much more concern over his arm than there ever
Speaker 1: will be over his calf, including actual NFL regular season
Speaker 1: game action. And when we all thought that the house
Speaker 1: was falling down, nothing is scarier than a shoulder injury
Speaker 1: for a quarterback. That so I agree with you on that.
Speaker 1: But and you know, not to be labor that Kevin
Speaker 1: Durant tie in, but that lower body stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: a guy that has a little bit of miles on
Speaker 1: the odometer. Now it's something to be concerned about, especially
Speaker 1: that it's continues to linger. They keep on testing like that.
Speaker 1: You define, this is what you worry about if you're
Speaker 1: a Cults fan. My team didn't quite handle this right
Speaker 1: medically two years ago or two and a half years ago.
Speaker 1: Is the same thing happening again here where they don't
Speaker 1: quite have it set Now, if you're if you're supporting
Speaker 1: the Cults organization, what about last year we kind of
Speaker 1: nailed it finally and got him on the field the
Speaker 1: right time and he had an All Pro season. I
Speaker 1: would be very nervous. The only thing that makes me
Speaker 1: nervous is all the wrong estimates that they've had. That
Speaker 1: Reich and Lux said he'd be back next week in May,
Speaker 1: that there's no that there's no way he wouldn't be
Speaker 1: ready for the start of training again. Luck said that,
Speaker 1: you know, Reich said that that he'll be already before
Speaker 1: they started training. So then when that doesn't happen, then
Speaker 1: what we've discovered here is that you guys are very
Speaker 1: nervous and I'm not okay. I think it's good though
Speaker 1: you have Jacoby Brissette. I know there's the feelings on him,
Speaker 1: but let's say, let's say it's something where Luck is
Speaker 1: just gonna miss two or three games. I think they
Speaker 1: have one of the best backup quarterback situations in the
Speaker 1: league with a really good offensive head coach and can
Speaker 1: Joe Jacoby Brissett, you know, get you a two in
Speaker 1: one record or or whatever two and two record if
Speaker 1: you happen to need that time. But they're in a
Speaker 1: better spot than teams out there. Well, they certain believe that,
Speaker 1: considering the comments they've made about Jacoby Brissette, the offers
Speaker 1: they've turned down for him. Supposedly has had a good
Speaker 1: camp and and the offenses look pretty good in camp.
Speaker 1: You know, let's get ahead of this. I don't know
Speaker 1: the culture properly ahead of it, but we are. Ricky,
Speaker 1: Let's dig up the Jake Briskett sound drop, but we
Speaker 1: haven't had to use for a while, but maybe you
Speaker 1: could just put that on your dudo lest ahead of
Speaker 1: Wednesday show. I hope not to Jake Brisket in our life,
Speaker 1: you know, all season. But let's just be prepared. You
Speaker 1: don't want to be caught with your pants down. You
Speaker 1: don't never. Uh, that's what's happening in the news all right,
Speaker 1: before we get to winners and losers. Uh, a little
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Speaker 1: out his knee before the season even starts. That's beside
Speaker 1: the point. We're making sure to give you this content
Speaker 1: before um um, before you have to make your decision
Speaker 1: when real draft should be taking place two weeks from now, right,
Speaker 1: I mean you guys, are you guys built road a
Speaker 1: world brick by break? You don't really respect guys that
Speaker 1: are drafting in early August, right, you want to have
Speaker 1: as much data as possible, and things like what we
Speaker 1: just talked about Andrew lux Kath for example, matter. So
Speaker 1: the more time you have, the more day. If you're
Speaker 1: like the big fish Evan Silva, and you've got your
Speaker 1: hand in hundreds of pots and you're just you know,
Speaker 1: borderline addict, but you made a career out of it,
Speaker 1: it's different because you're just drafting all the time. He
Speaker 1: wakes up, he's just drafting. He's in some best ball leagues.
Speaker 1: That's different. But if you're like most people, you have
Speaker 1: one or two leagues, it's with your friends. That's the
Speaker 1: time to do it because you get to hear great
Speaker 1: advice like West Honkin for George Kittle a year ago
Speaker 1: that people would be missing out if they weren't drafting
Speaker 1: George Kitto paying no attention to any of the bad advice.
Speaker 1: I believe Adam rank coined the term league of record.
Speaker 1: You know everybody, maybe some people do one league, Uh,
Speaker 1: maybe you do two or three, but there's always one
Speaker 1: league that that's the one that's most important to you.
Speaker 1: Classy of you to acknowledge rank on that got him
Speaker 1: a lot, nice guy, longtime colleague. Yeah, yeah, I would say. Besides,
Speaker 1: Mark Rank might be my only colleague that you know.
Speaker 1: When I came into the NFL, he was already here
Speaker 1: survivor you guys. So I's been here for a long time,
Speaker 1: as if I perhaps too long. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1: Let's get into winners and losers and training camp and
Speaker 1: preseason week one. Will go around the horn. I will.
Speaker 1: I don't know about you guys, And if Mark was here,
Speaker 1: Mark a little under the weather today, Mark was here,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he would give us a lot of the losers.
Speaker 1: He's very good with that. I came up with a
Speaker 1: lot of positive ones. And maybe you guys will bounce
Speaker 1: it out because mine are mostly on the winner side. Oh,
Speaker 1: I've got some losers. Yeah, so that's good, So that
Speaker 1: will balance it all out. Um, so we'll go around
Speaker 1: the horn here a few times. UM I wanted. It
Speaker 1: sounds like you've got some good losers. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: start Greg off with throw us a winner, Greg, and
Speaker 1: then maybe I'll come in with another winner, and then
Speaker 1: West you can get going, drop hammer, drop a big
Speaker 1: old loser. Let's start in Pittsburgh, where uh really two
Speaker 1: winners basically the young Steelers, but starting with Devin Bush.
Speaker 1: And I know it's it's just a preseason game, but
Speaker 1: this is their number one overall, uh, their number one
Speaker 1: draft picked us here the middle linebacker of the Steelers.
Speaker 1: Following in that great tradition, what you want to see
Speaker 1: out of a rookie or really any starters playing with
Speaker 1: a bunch of backups is that it just as obvious
Speaker 1: that he's the star out there and the starter, and
Speaker 1: that he's playing with a bunch of backups and he's
Speaker 1: just dominating them. And for a guy to do that.
Speaker 1: In his first preseason game coming straight out of college,
Speaker 1: Devin Bush had ten tackles five I think what are
Speaker 1: they called stop swamps like a successful thing solo solo
Speaker 1: tackles that creates a negative play for the offense. He
Speaker 1: he was just flying around. And it also backs up
Speaker 1: what everyone's saying in Steelers came is that, look, he's
Speaker 1: their leader, he's calling the plays in the huddle, and man,
Speaker 1: they had such a huge hole there last year that
Speaker 1: to me, he's the favorite right now for defensive Rookie
Speaker 1: of the Year, just because that's the easiest position to
Speaker 1: do it. And I love what I saw, and I
Speaker 1: also love what I saw at James Washington, the receiver.
Speaker 1: I think this Steelers receiver group is gonna be fine.
Speaker 1: James Washington, Moncrief, and then you have Deante uh Spencer
Speaker 1: as like your fourth kind of smaller guy, Johnson, the
Speaker 1: guy they drafted Dante Spence who is the CFLs picking
Speaker 1: up my Deante's right. And Washington who made three big
Speaker 1: players in that game and just kind of looks like
Speaker 1: he's coming along. And that again, it supports what's going
Speaker 1: on in camp. So it's not you're not just like
Speaker 1: going crazy off one preseason game, but you've been hearing
Speaker 1: that from the writers there that Washington's made. I'm super
Speaker 1: peeves right now. I'm p o because I had a
Speaker 1: chance to start the segment and be the hero. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about the Steelers. That's my first one too. They
Speaker 1: were my they were my first win. And for the
Speaker 1: obvious also reason they're not dealing with Brown's headache. I
Speaker 1: I have here. I have Devin Bush. They've been looking
Speaker 1: to fill that Ryan Schasier slot for years now, multiple years.
Speaker 1: They need a little stability, and maybe he's that guy,
Speaker 1: James Washington. They have such a great track record of
Speaker 1: developing wide receivers, I and Juju Smith Schuster we already
Speaker 1: know is now a superstar. I have no doubt that
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberg gonna be stays healthy, is gonna be once
Speaker 1: again that guy that throws her four four thousand, five
Speaker 1: thousand yards. I just I assume they're gonna end away
Speaker 1: to make it happen, And I just think in general,
Speaker 1: the camp Kumbaya vibe evolved them. Now they got hit
Speaker 1: by some tragedy this weekend. Uh Darryl Drake, their wide
Speaker 1: receiver coach, unexpectedly passed away, and that's really sad. But
Speaker 1: before before that event happened, you know, everything around this
Speaker 1: camp has been very positive. And last year the whole
Speaker 1: camp was undermined by the Levy on Bell drama and
Speaker 1: then at the end of the season, Antonio Brown pulled
Speaker 1: his Shenanigans, quitting on the team. You're not hearing any
Speaker 1: of this drama around the Steelers, and I think I
Speaker 1: think we're on the same I know Greg you are,
Speaker 1: and I imagine West you are as well. That this
Speaker 1: team is perhaps lying in the weeds in the a
Speaker 1: f C, which they never do because you always expect
Speaker 1: them to be a heavy favorite. But you don't hear
Speaker 1: as much about them, and that's a good thing, I
Speaker 1: think if you're a Steelers fan. He said the word stability,
Speaker 1: and for the last half century there's been no better
Speaker 1: example of stability in the league than the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 1: And that's how I look at them. With Devin Bush,
Speaker 1: that was their one achilles heel last year on defense.
Speaker 1: Now they've got a guy who not only can call
Speaker 1: the plays, be the leader, can cover run backs and
Speaker 1: tight ends, which they didn't really have last year. They've
Speaker 1: got Um. Edman's the guy they drafted in the first
Speaker 1: round last year. Charlie Batch, the Presedons announcer, is talking
Speaker 1: about him being a Pro Bowl candidate because he's had
Speaker 1: such a strong training camp. And then James Washington and
Speaker 1: Deante Johnson at wide receiver. To give you some depth,
Speaker 1: this looks like a really stable team to me. Um,
Speaker 1: let me go with another a f C powerhouse, especially
Speaker 1: on offense. Um the Kansas City Chiefs. Okay, so they
Speaker 1: drafted of course, remember around the draft, that's right when
Speaker 1: the Tyreek Hills stuff dropped like a hammer. Um with
Speaker 1: the recorded audio conversation with his domestic issue and the
Speaker 1: next day the Chiefs go out and they draft Nicole Hardman, who, um,
Speaker 1: you thought at the time it seemed in late April
Speaker 1: like Tyreek Hill perhaps would never play for the Chiefs again,
Speaker 1: maybe never played in the NFL again. Well, it turns out,
Speaker 1: whether you agree with it or not, Tyreek Hill is
Speaker 1: going to be a part of the Chiefs all season.
Speaker 1: And now you add you take Hardman, who in in
Speaker 1: the lens of the draft around that time, it kind
Speaker 1: of look like, God, you know it's gonna be tricky.
Speaker 1: They're gonna ask this rookie to step in and be
Speaker 1: a major, uh play a major role, and is he
Speaker 1: gonna be ready? Well, now he could kind of develop
Speaker 1: at his own pace. In the first preseason game, he
Speaker 1: showed off that speed. He took a shovel pass in
Speaker 1: the end zone blue away some Bengals on defense. And
Speaker 1: he's had a really good camp for an everything we're hearing.
Speaker 1: So you add it all up and you and you have,
Speaker 1: of course uh Kelsey in there as well, and their abilities.
Speaker 1: It's almost an embarrassment of riches in that first passed
Speaker 1: from my homes to Kelsey and stride down the side
Speaker 1: to do that on the first play of preseasons and
Speaker 1: then Mikool Hardman has runs a four three three, Tyreek
Speaker 1: Hill runs a four three four. Darwin Thompson, a guy
Speaker 1: they drafted in the sixth round, looked incredible in that game.
Speaker 1: This team, like, I have got winner as Mahomes repeat
Speaker 1: m vy Pea Chians already with Tyrek and now I
Speaker 1: had this guy. I'm with you. The Chiefs weirdly are
Speaker 1: almost lying, not lying in the weeds, but they should
Speaker 1: be the fave. It to me, just because they have
Speaker 1: Mahomes and their defense played at such a terrible level
Speaker 1: last year that I actually think there's a lot to
Speaker 1: like about what they've done on defense, including their rookie
Speaker 1: second round pick, the original second round pick which was
Speaker 1: one Thornhill, who's had a great camp at safety, and
Speaker 1: suddenly you have Thornhill and and Honey Badger back there.
Speaker 1: That was a weakness in their secondary and Spags. You know,
Speaker 1: I've been tough on Spags. Man, they needed a change
Speaker 1: on their defense. All they have to do is be average.
Speaker 1: I mean they were thirty they were between twenty seven
Speaker 1: and thirty one in league, depending on which metric you trust,
Speaker 1: and if they can just be better, man, that there.
Speaker 1: To me, they are the favorites. It'd be crazy that
Speaker 1: for anyone to not be. I'm banging the I don't
Speaker 1: know what the Desert people say, but I'm banging the over.
Speaker 1: If it's like twelve and a half for wins for them,
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna have another big regular season. Now
Speaker 1: we'll translate in January. I don't know. They seemed that.
Speaker 1: It seems to be a bugaboo for about thirty years
Speaker 1: in County. I mean, if they won that coin flip,
Speaker 1: I still think they'd be Super Bowl champs. As much
Speaker 1: as uh I would not want that to happen. It's
Speaker 1: been a bugaboo since Len Dawson was smoking heaters in
Speaker 1: the halftime at the locker room, smokeing eaters. All right,
Speaker 1: speaking of heaters, West drop it dropping a bomb on something.
Speaker 1: Here's a loser steal some dreams. There is a player
Speaker 1: in the midst of the most feudal some might say
Speaker 1: hair browned holding hair brained hold out I've ever seen
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon is extremely futile. I don't know what he's
Speaker 1: I know what he's trying to accomplish. But he's not
Speaker 1: Levy on Bell. He's not a free agent at the
Speaker 1: end of the year, he's he better getting camping and
Speaker 1: fight for a starting job. Austin Ekeler looked incredible, Justin
Speaker 1: Jackson looked good. Uh, none other than Ladanian. Tomlins said
Speaker 1: of Justin Jackson, He's got vision, power, acceleration, all the
Speaker 1: things you want to see in a young running back.
Speaker 1: And Melvin Gordon, I don't. I just think he's he's
Speaker 1: either getting bad advice or somebody is not twisting his
Speaker 1: arm enough to get him in camp all right. I
Speaker 1: do think that's a big factor in his holdout, that
Speaker 1: they have good backups, that they have a good running scheme.
Speaker 1: First of all, I think Anthony lens is a good
Speaker 1: job kind of you know, the running game, and they
Speaker 1: have really good backups. If they were in a situation
Speaker 1: like Dallas where you just have Tony Pollard who's a
Speaker 1: fourth round rookie and looked fine and they're trying to talk. Also,
Speaker 1: if you were as good as Ezekiel Elliott, that might
Speaker 1: make sense, but he's not as right, So it's the combination.
Speaker 1: But I think the Charges are a team that really
Speaker 1: want to make the playoffs, but I don't think they're
Speaker 1: sweating it. Nearly as much because they got really good backups. Also, Hey,
Speaker 1: the rest of your teammates are working. We have some
Speaker 1: breaking news. How about this? This from Tom Pella Sero.
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown's grievance over his helmet was denied by an
Speaker 1: arbitrator after months of fighting it. He'll have to wear
Speaker 1: an approved helmet this season barring a long shot legal challenge.
Speaker 1: Otherwise he can't play or get paid. And then a
Speaker 1: b on Twitter chimes in and this kind of refutes
Speaker 1: the Adam Schefter reporting or he changed his mind. But
Speaker 1: here's what Brown had to say. While I disagree, disagree
Speaker 1: with the arbitrator's decision, I'm working on getting back to
Speaker 1: full health and looking forward to rejoining my teammates on
Speaker 1: the field. I'm excited about this season. Appreciate all the
Speaker 1: concerns about my feet. Hashtag always a fight, hashtag represent
Speaker 1: hashtag it's bigger than me. See he's a great teammate. West,
Speaker 1: What are we talking? Where does this guy get off
Speaker 1: with the hashtag it's bigger than me? Why don't you
Speaker 1: act like you know? But you're missing the point West,
Speaker 1: that was before. Now he's a good teammate. It's bigger
Speaker 1: than I also like, uh, I like, um a tweet
Speaker 1: where it's all in quotes, he quoted him. He's quoting
Speaker 1: himself on his own Twitter. That's like fourth person. I
Speaker 1: don't know what that is frontier alright, So, but there
Speaker 1: is something to take out of that that there, this
Speaker 1: drama is unlikely to be one that extends to a
Speaker 1: retirement or some malarkey like that. Now it's just a
Speaker 1: matter of his feet getting right and then complaining about
Speaker 1: the helmet all season. I imagine, Well that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I really I hope he does not have
Speaker 1: a concussion for you know, many reasons. But if he does,
Speaker 1: he's gonna go crazy. All right, Um, got another one
Speaker 1: win or lose or anything he got. Let's uh, let's
Speaker 1: make the Jaguars backup quarter back situation the loser here.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys are familiar with those
Speaker 1: stylings of Gardner Minshew, uh, sixth round pick out of
Speaker 1: Washington State. That's their backup quarterback right now. Totally familiar
Speaker 1: for Jacksonville. They went the quarterbacks in the Jacks game
Speaker 1: against the Ravens went ten for forty four yards. You
Speaker 1: don't see that in a sixty minute game. They didn't
Speaker 1: top a hundred yards total. It's the worst quarterback like
Speaker 1: backup quarterback situation I think I've ever seen. Just I
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess it's tied because at some point
Speaker 1: you can't you have a sixth round rookie. You have
Speaker 1: uh Tanner Lee who they're not even trying, Alex McGoo whatever.
Speaker 1: It is like if if Nick Foles misses a game
Speaker 1: or two, like they're they're done. I mean, they're gonna
Speaker 1: try to get someone else, I would imagine. But it's
Speaker 1: kind of crazy that they're paying Blake Bortles sixteen million
Speaker 1: dollars on the cap um right now while they don't
Speaker 1: even have a backup quarterback. Maybe they should have kept
Speaker 1: Blake Bortles the phone. I mean, if you're got to
Speaker 1: pay them that much money, I know it it would have
Speaker 1: been awkward. Just made him the backup. He'd be a
Speaker 1: lot better than these guys. Some might say they've handled
Speaker 1: the Blake Bortles thing wrong at different points in the
Speaker 1: whole pay You know, it's funny you bring up Nick
Speaker 1: not a big deal, but I just it's not brought
Speaker 1: up to bring up Nick Foles, who left the depth
Speaker 1: chart of Philly. Maybe it's not quite as dire as
Speaker 1: it is in Jacksonville, but with this Nick Sudfeld injury
Speaker 1: and in Philly, uh and Nick Foles hasn't played really
Speaker 1: enough to worry about if he's a guy could stay
Speaker 1: on the field, but you could question it. Carson Wentz,
Speaker 1: we know the last two years he's had a lot
Speaker 1: of injuries, and they have Cody Kessler and Clayton Thorson.
Speaker 1: I mean, how excited you about that backgroup? If you
Speaker 1: did like a two on two battle royal between those,
Speaker 1: I mean I would take Kessler, although he was on
Speaker 1: the Jags last year and and rejected by them, but
Speaker 1: he's at least had some moments it's been in the league.
Speaker 1: Not who you want as your backup though, backup portorex important.
Speaker 1: You gotta have it buttoned down. Just quote Charlie Casserly,
Speaker 1: what what is it again? Greg? The most important person
Speaker 1: in your zation see as your quarterback, and the second
Speaker 1: most important person in your organization is your backup quarterback
Speaker 1: in the third Yeah, keeps going, chev coach the third quarterback. Um,
Speaker 1: I got a winner. I got another winner. Here we go.
Speaker 1: Long time believers in the Jared Cook All Pro season.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's what. Yeah, it's I mean, we've been
Speaker 1: waiting a long time. He's now thirty two, by the way,
Speaker 1: so if it's not happening now, it's probably never gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I know. It's not as old as it used to be.
Speaker 1: Like some guys now just get better. Yeah, but well
Speaker 1: they don't block as much. It's time. It's time for
Speaker 1: him to put together a true Pro Bowl type season
Speaker 1: or perhaps All Pro. So you got remember Dan Campbell, sure,
Speaker 1: the former jack Man. Yes, also former Cowboys tight end
Speaker 1: for Cowboys tight end head coach. Anyway, he's the tight
Speaker 1: ends coach in New Orleans. Uh, and he's been raving
Speaker 1: about Cook and says it's easy to see the impact
Speaker 1: he's gonna make. And uh. Mike Triple at the ESPN
Speaker 1: said that Cook has emerged. His quote to go to
Speaker 1: pass catcher for Drew Brees. And when you factor in
Speaker 1: all the tools, he's a toolsy guy. That's that's a
Speaker 1: little industry term. He's got all the skill level skill
Speaker 1: in the world to translate to a yard you know,
Speaker 1: fifteen touchdown monster season. If Drew Brees is Drew Brees
Speaker 1: playing in that dome piling up all the thirty points
Speaker 1: a game. This is gonna be the year right when
Speaker 1: you burn fantasy footballers year after year after year. It
Speaker 1: takes a few years for him to understand what's really
Speaker 1: going on. And for the last few years, Jared Cook
Speaker 1: has been a really good football player. Last year he
Speaker 1: was outstanding. I thought he was the best player in
Speaker 1: the Raiders offense by far. Yeah, that's that's absolutely true.
Speaker 1: He is their number two receiver. I mean, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have Thomas and he's number two, and it's probably not
Speaker 1: even it's a pretty big drop off to number three.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, all right, keep going west to us
Speaker 1: with anything. Uh, let's do one quick compliment on the
Speaker 1: Jets and one quick compliment on the Browns. Jets winners.
Speaker 1: Those uniforms for snazzy, thank you and um. I didn't
Speaker 1: get to watch the game before we talked about it
Speaker 1: on Friday. Darnald was He looked great. I love how
Speaker 1: he moves into pocket. You know, we always talked about
Speaker 1: Romo saying his spatial awareness he was phenomenal. And then
Speaker 1: the Brown's blue chip talent Baker Mayfield calming out looking
Speaker 1: like an absolute stud and Myles Garrett just abusing the
Speaker 1: Redskins left tackle with a move that you don't see
Speaker 1: from many defensive ends. We can worry about their offensive
Speaker 1: line and it's absolutely a factor. But I'm going to
Speaker 1: continue to believe in the Browns because they have better
Speaker 1: players than most teams. That that was one of mine
Speaker 1: as well. I was more focused on the two thousand
Speaker 1: eight QB class. Baker looked great, Yes, Donald looked great,
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson did some things. Rosen and Allen maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit more of a mixed bag, but Um especially,
Speaker 1: and I'm take my Jets fandom out of it. I
Speaker 1: just it's not this is my brain just watching Donald,
Speaker 1: that this guy when this season is over, is going
Speaker 1: to be seen as a star quarter. I truly think
Speaker 1: that's half the battle. He is. Just that he has
Speaker 1: all the tools and his ability to move like you
Speaker 1: were saying, West, to go through progressions, the ability in
Speaker 1: which he's picked up this Adam Gates offense very quickly.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be a really matt nice match together.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Adam Gates is gonna survive in
Speaker 1: New York, but I do think his sensibilities as a
Speaker 1: coach is going to lead to the Jets offense being
Speaker 1: maybe I'm not I'm gonna go nuts here, and maybe
Speaker 1: they could be a top ten unit like they were
Speaker 1: in that Ryan fitz yere back into the top ten.
Speaker 1: They have the ability to put up points I think
Speaker 1: this year. Um, so I'm very excited and Mayfield, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, there's you could say maybe they'll you could
Speaker 1: go the football uh uh, the Farmer's Almanac route and
Speaker 1: say maybe other all these other things are going to
Speaker 1: go against them. I know, I always call it the
Speaker 1: farmer's almanac. Um. And maybe they're an Aman team. But
Speaker 1: Mayfield is gonna be a superstar in this league. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think he's already there. Yes, there, And there's nothing
Speaker 1: you can see from the preseason p neer to tell
Speaker 1: you that's not gonna be the case. I I do
Speaker 1: think the preseason open to the Redskins. Uh, not a concern.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna put the Dwayne Haskins his chances of
Speaker 1: starting Week one as like a loser. Not that not
Speaker 1: that he you know, that's it's expected a mid round
Speaker 1: first you know, first round pick. It really again goes
Speaker 1: with you know, the the beat writers for the Athletic
Speaker 1: have been saying this for weeks that they don't think
Speaker 1: it's that close between Haskins, Keenum and McCoy. That Haskins
Speaker 1: is trailing because he just has too many miss throws
Speaker 1: where there's no one in his face and he just
Speaker 1: misses the throw. And that's what happened on his interception. UH.
Speaker 1: In the preseason opener, he actually had two overall, he
Speaker 1: made a couple of really great throws again what you
Speaker 1: hear from practice, uh, and then the rest of it
Speaker 1: was pretty up and down, and Jay Gruden more or
Speaker 1: less indicated to Peter King that that he is trailing
Speaker 1: those other two guys. I think you gotta make a
Speaker 1: choice between McCoy and Keenum because I think you want
Speaker 1: to get Haskins as many reps as he possibly can.
Speaker 1: He'll probably play at some point this year. Just pick
Speaker 1: one of the other guys so he can split it
Speaker 1: instead of having it go in three ways. But just
Speaker 1: pick one of those other guys, because I just don't
Speaker 1: think he's going to be the Week one starter at
Speaker 1: this point. Gruden said he's gonna he hoped to pick
Speaker 1: a quarterback by the end of the third preseason, but
Speaker 1: that's that's still two more weeks away. Just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I liked Haskin's arm and I liked his mobility. It
Speaker 1: was better than what I thought it was advertised. But
Speaker 1: his decision making, to me, he's just too young and
Speaker 1: raw and inexperienced. He plays a little bit too much
Speaker 1: like Jason Jameis Winston, just loose with the ball. Is
Speaker 1: there any chance that Daniel Jones starts before Dwayne Haskins. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think there's a I think that's more likely. What
Speaker 1: I definitely wouldn't go more likely. I think there's a chance.
Speaker 1: Sure if their giants started out really poorly and the
Speaker 1: Redskins didn't, because Daniel Jones looked really impressive. I mean
Speaker 1: it was only one position, and I guess if I'm
Speaker 1: the coach, I'm taking him out after that one too,
Speaker 1: because it was perfect. He looked, he looked so much
Speaker 1: more athletically gifted than I was led to believe. He
Speaker 1: was supposed to play a second series, and then there
Speaker 1: was a lightning storm. So his combine their wild they're
Speaker 1: they're up there almost with like luck and and Cam Newton.
Speaker 1: I mean he is very athletic. Well, he's playing behind
Speaker 1: one of the worst starting quarterbacks in the NFL on
Speaker 1: a team going nowhere. So that's why he's gonna play earlier.
Speaker 1: All right, we brought up something good about the Jets.
Speaker 1: Here's a negative. Their secondary is probably the reason they
Speaker 1: won't be a playoff team. And the latest news Truemate
Speaker 1: Johnson um yanked his hamstring in practice and he's out indefinitely.
Speaker 1: And this, uh, you know, gross mismanagement in the Mike
Speaker 1: mccagnan era, first and foremost was offensive line, but never
Speaker 1: being able to put together a secondary uh during his
Speaker 1: time there. This is who they have right now, their
Speaker 1: top three cornerbacks. Get ready, buckle up, New York, it's
Speaker 1: on in New York City. Darryl Roberts, Brian Pool, who
Speaker 1: the Falcon said we don't want you around no more,
Speaker 1: and a rookie Kyron Brown who's undrafted out of Akron.
Speaker 1: They have no other quarterback on their roster with NFL experience,
Speaker 1: so Trueman Johnson they're only chance to be okay at cornerback.
Speaker 1: It was if Truemain Johnson played like the guy the
Speaker 1: Jets paid for, which he certainly didn't last year. If
Speaker 1: he's going to be down with an injury, and he
Speaker 1: missed games last year with an injury as well. This
Speaker 1: is going to be a unit that will be lit
Speaker 1: up and will kill them all your Jamal Adams today
Speaker 1: just today said he volunteered to play cornerback, which I
Speaker 1: imagine wasn't jest, but it tells you just how serious
Speaker 1: this problem is. Uh, seeing both inside and outside the organization, well,
Speaker 1: the combination of that cornerback group with a lack of
Speaker 1: a real edge rushing presence is easily their biggest issue.
Speaker 1: I think when you look at the best teams in
Speaker 1: the league, they have really deep defensive backfields. The one
Speaker 1: thing that you can match up all sorts of different
Speaker 1: matchups because it's two thousand nineteen, you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: stop three, four or five receivers on every play, you know,
Speaker 1: not just white outs, but tighter and and you're right,
Speaker 1: they're just not deep. They have a good safety deal,
Speaker 1: but even after their starting safeties, it's like the the
Speaker 1: depth just isn't there. And I think that's if there's
Speaker 1: anything stopping the Jets for being a playoff team, it's
Speaker 1: that it's the past defense because that includes the past rush.
Speaker 1: I think too that the past defense it's gonna just
Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine. You never know. You could, you
Speaker 1: could coach it up and it could be great, but
Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine them being near average. A lot
Speaker 1: of pressure on Gregg Williams to figure out a way
Speaker 1: to scheme it up. West, I have another loser clarity
Speaker 1: on passing Fearence replace standards. I am thoroughly confused after
Speaker 1: watching No. One every game but the Jaguars game. UM,
Speaker 1: I don't understand how you will see replays where the
Speaker 1: defensive player hits the receiver before the ball gets there
Speaker 1: enough to cause it. And sometimes it will be passing
Speaker 1: a few in Farence, and sometimes it won't. And I
Speaker 1: am only lead to assume that this will be the
Speaker 1: case all year long, because that's what a judgment call is.
Speaker 1: It's funny, West, because I had the new past interference
Speaker 1: rule under winners and that this has nothing to do
Speaker 1: whether I believe in the new pass It's just how
Speaker 1: was it operated here? Some facts. Fifteen challenge flags thrown
Speaker 1: in Week one, including the Hall of Fame game, only
Speaker 1: one was overturned. UM six point per seven six point seven.
Speaker 1: Per NFL research, there were thirty five pass interference calls
Speaker 1: made in the seventeen games coaches challenge six of them,
Speaker 1: none were overturned. Coaches challenging nine players in which no
Speaker 1: flag was thrown for past interference. One was overturned. That's
Speaker 1: that was in the Jets Giants game. Um. So, to me,
Speaker 1: the fact that it wasn't a big story coming out
Speaker 1: a week one of the preseason is a good thing
Speaker 1: because and Ron Rivera made it clear when we were
Speaker 1: at the NFL Talent Summit. He made a clear that
Speaker 1: they're not looking to reinvent the wheel of how this,
Speaker 1: how this is officiated. They don't want to rock the boat,
Speaker 1: and they did not in Week one. Here. Well, that
Speaker 1: that's all fine and dandy that they don't want to
Speaker 1: rock the boat and the standards are supposed to stay
Speaker 1: what they are, but that's not gonna make any fans
Speaker 1: happy when they see a guy on another team getting
Speaker 1: away with something their player can't get away with. And
Speaker 1: that's what the past interference confusion is. They're trying to
Speaker 1: send a message that they're not going to overturn many plays.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it feels. It feels like they're
Speaker 1: trying to, like, I don't think I don't think Al
Speaker 1: Rivron or the officials wanted this rule, and no, there's
Speaker 1: a place and it's almost like they're gonna try to
Speaker 1: destroy it on some level by never overturning anything or
Speaker 1: minimize it, which I like. I'm with you, Dan, I
Speaker 1: think ultimately it's not the best case scenario. I don't
Speaker 1: know what else could be better. It's not as flat
Speaker 1: out stupid as the old catch role, but it shares
Speaker 1: some of the same things that you're if you're a fan,
Speaker 1: you're looking at a guy do something for another team
Speaker 1: and he gets away with it, but you your guys
Speaker 1: can't do it. All right? You want to do a
Speaker 1: real quick speed round, go through it, back and forth
Speaker 1: one more time. Alright, Greg, give us a quick one.
Speaker 1: How about Jared's did him? The Patriots rookie quarterback? I'm serious.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna it's gonna be a story. They've
Speaker 1: said since the first O t A s They've been shocked,
Speaker 1: how accurate, how good he's looked, how advanced he is.
Speaker 1: He's gotten more reps with the first team than Jacoby
Speaker 1: Brissette or Jimmy garab below Uh or who they draft
Speaker 1: last year. Danny edilne Ever did as a rookie, and
Speaker 1: he's pretty I think you can just tell they like him.
Speaker 1: And he looked great, and Patriots fans are just like
Speaker 1: ready to latch onto the next one. Not not the
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's going anywhere, but there's it's someone they're gonna
Speaker 1: also one last Patriots. But Jamie Collins looks ready for
Speaker 1: a reunion. This is gonna drive Mark crazy. I think
Speaker 1: Jamie Collin's gonna have a big year. Nice, nice linebacker.
Speaker 1: The start of the Zach Taylor and Cincinnati West eleven
Speaker 1: penalties for a hundred and fifty yards, fifteen yards, four turnovers. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know the rookie running back got hurt on one
Speaker 1: of the interceptions. Uh, not looking too hot. That's a
Speaker 1: negative on the positive. Well, you know, go on, let's
Speaker 1: be honest about our boy. Varcus Mariotta. He's under he's
Speaker 1: under pressure of the season. Ryan Tannehill very good in
Speaker 1: his debut twelve sixteen thirty yards, two touchdowns, book at
Speaker 1: eight and a half starts for tenny. I'm Bengals quickly.
Speaker 1: The craziest thing I read all last week was Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton threw a touchdown UM two Josh Malone last Thursday,
Speaker 1: and it was the first explosive play touchdown of the
Speaker 1: Bengals training camp. They hadn't had one yet. I hadn't
Speaker 1: had like as in any practice. Is we're talking about
Speaker 1: practice that is Dan and Ireson Pataco and most of
Speaker 1: these I have losers two thousand nineteen Bengals expectations because
Speaker 1: outside of the head coach, I'm not sure what's changed.
Speaker 1: They still have no wide receiver depth, they still have
Speaker 1: bad offensive line, they still have linebackers with no speed.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's different about the Bengals other than
Speaker 1: the head coach. I wouldn't expect any different results. Um,
Speaker 1: what was the other one? You Mariota and Tannehill. I
Speaker 1: talked about that last week based on what I think
Speaker 1: is going on in that building, and I do think
Speaker 1: they believe in Mariota. But then I watched the game
Speaker 1: and he has admitted in the past he's got footwork problems.
Speaker 1: They looked worse to me just in that one series
Speaker 1: than they did at any time in the past, and
Speaker 1: Tannehill look better than he ever did it with the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: Keeping eye out of Tytoons fans, oh So, David Montgomery
Speaker 1: I talked about when I only saw highlights in then
Speaker 1: I watched the whole Bears game and this is every preseason.
Speaker 1: I have a running back that I'm all in on.
Speaker 1: I love David Montgomery. This guy has the instinct's, patients,
Speaker 1: vision um, receiving skills. He's got the cutting ability. I know,
Speaker 1: he's not explosive, he's not say Kwon Barkley athletically, he
Speaker 1: just looks like he was born to play running back.
Speaker 1: To see the Philip Lindsay of Uh, they're so different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he's a guy that I like. Philip Lindsay
Speaker 1: was so different being an undersized, undrafted guy, but also
Speaker 1: a lot more speed based than David Montgomery. Before we
Speaker 1: go and one one Last Loser, it's a robot mindset.
Speaker 1: I don't know, are you guys familiar with robot mind
Speaker 1: On On Jimmy Garoppolo's wristband. Every day of practice he
Speaker 1: looks down and it says robot mind and that's what
Speaker 1: he has to have. He has to have the robot mindset.
Speaker 1: And they asked him about he said, because he's not
Speaker 1: looking this way or that way, he's not worried about
Speaker 1: anything that's going on he's got to have that robot mindset. Well,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough when you don't have any players
Speaker 1: on your team. No one's had a worse month than
Speaker 1: the forty niners. I'm sorry, you're every every day there's
Speaker 1: a new injury. They lost their swing tackles Shawn Coleman
Speaker 1: for the season in the opener, and Trent Taylor. They're
Speaker 1: starting slot receivers now out four to eight weeks. Like
Speaker 1: everyone has heard. On that team, they're missing seven eight starters.
Speaker 1: Isn't the goal of a quarterback or any athlete to
Speaker 1: not be robotic, to be free and easy and lose.
Speaker 1: Not Russell Wilson, Well, he's the exception of the proson
Speaker 1: about mindset. All right, that's it for today's show, and that,
Speaker 1: you know, that's a little tease also that David Montgomery
Speaker 1: West might talk about him a little bit next week
Speaker 1: during the Fantasy Extravaganza. I have the luxury right now
Speaker 1: of not caring about fantasy implications when I talk about
Speaker 1: David Montgomery. That adds a lot more stress when I
Speaker 1: have to say, well, how much does what's the guy's name,
Speaker 1: Michael Davis or what the other guy? Yeah, Mike Davis,
Speaker 1: who I'm not nearly as high on as you only
Speaker 1: have to care about it for like fifty four minutes
Speaker 1: a year, that one episode, and then you're free and clear. Um,
Speaker 1: I want to say happy birthday to Jack Kansas, my son.
Speaker 1: Definitely not a yeah, definitely not a listener of the show.
Speaker 1: But like maybe when I'm old, uh in a retirement home,
Speaker 1: or I'm living in his basement, or I'm dead, he'll say, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, let's go back and listen to what dad
Speaker 1: used to do, and maybe I'll check in on the
Speaker 1: August two, nineteen show. Well, here's the shout out to
Speaker 1: my boy. Hey Jack, You've always been ahead of the game. Jack,
Speaker 1: even at five, mature boy, very ahead of the game,
Speaker 1: way ahead of his dad. Left handed swing too, He's
Speaker 1: got the stroke. All right, let's get out of here.
Speaker 1: Dan Hands is signing off four The mail Man, The
Speaker 1: Old Boss, and Sweet Sweet Ricky Hollywood Behind the Glass
Speaker 1: Jeel Wednesday,