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Speaker 1: regular season. How about that was all right? I'd rather
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Speaker 1: it three weeks to the season and you were just
Speaker 1: kind of like, wait, you were disappointed. You want this
Speaker 1: offseason to go on forever. I mean it's August, it's
Speaker 1: still baseball season. Um. Unfortunately, the games Week two of
Speaker 1: the preseason began on Thursday Night, and while those the
Speaker 1: standings don't matter to most, to me, they do. Um,
Speaker 1: there are some very real ramifications of giant men running
Speaker 1: hard on the field and crashing into each other. We'll
Speaker 1: get into some injury stuff. In fact, we're going to
Speaker 1: uh go through uh takeaways from the Thursday night preseason action.
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Speaker 1: who could it be? Who is at number thirty two
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Speaker 1: first let us get to it. The preseason action. Some
Speaker 1: takeaways from Thursday Night Down t the Shotgun Jackson, who
Speaker 1: on sept Americans and TI ten Fine, how a man
Speaker 1: stop tuns and a touchdown from the Jackson with the
Speaker 1: flo put a flat im the plow. Fun to see it,
Speaker 1: but I think I'd still right to see him slide
Speaker 1: and all of his head. Yes it didn't count, but
Speaker 1: who cares if it didn't count? It's the preseason. Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson once again showing his incredible ability with the ball
Speaker 1: in his hands, moving his legs. On a third and
Speaker 1: tent he took off faked Traymont Williams out of his nikes.
Speaker 1: Not hard to do if your Traymont Williams not a
Speaker 1: young defensive back. Well, I'm just saying, leapt over, leapt leaped,
Speaker 1: leaped over g R Alexander into the end zone eighteen
Speaker 1: yard touching around called back Willie Sneed got hit with
Speaker 1: the legal block, but who cares. It was a reminder,
Speaker 1: uh first takeaway from me um Lamar Jackson what a
Speaker 1: talent he is, which we know, but it's good to
Speaker 1: see it again. And after the game it was against
Speaker 1: the Packers, Aaron Rodgers and Lamar met at midfield and
Speaker 1: Rogers said, I love watching you play. That was pretty spectacular.
Speaker 1: Have a great season. Slide a little bit, slide a
Speaker 1: little bit, certainly. In week two of the preseason get down.
Speaker 1: One little side note to that Rogers Lamar Jackson meet
Speaker 1: up was an incredible tweet by typically an annoying tweeter
Speaker 1: r G three, who put out video of him just
Speaker 1: sort of standing there while the two of them, uh
Speaker 1: made the two other quarterbacks who are actually playing in
Speaker 1: the game talked to each other and he called himself
Speaker 1: r G third Wheel. I thought he did a nice job.
Speaker 1: A little bit of self deprecation it's not the worst
Speaker 1: from r G three, so it's actually a good progress
Speaker 1: I feel like in what's been a roller coaster. And also,
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson very casually referred to Aaron Rodgers's goat, Hey goat.
Speaker 1: This is the lingo that happens within Rogers, like the
Speaker 1: goat thing is like why though it literally says great
Speaker 1: in the acronym for go it's greatest of all time.
Speaker 1: Yet now it's become common that there are multiple goats
Speaker 1: at all times in all sports, and multiple it doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense there there can only be one. You're
Speaker 1: right about that, But it has become kind of part
Speaker 1: of the It's sort of up there with epic, like
Speaker 1: everything is epic now got an analogy. It's like when
Speaker 1: I was in the dating world on these apps, every
Speaker 1: woman refers to herself as a unicorn, which defeats the
Speaker 1: whole purpose of being a unicorn. Lamars of the unicorn though,
Speaker 1: how about that that's what it stands for? Well, there
Speaker 1: are there are other meanings to unicorn, which if they're
Speaker 1: all that, what are they? What's the meaning? You know? No,
Speaker 1: I don't. I've been out of the game year. You've
Speaker 1: never heard of what a unicorn. I mean, if we
Speaker 1: can't explain what your theory about now going to Jerry
Speaker 1: Duty was, I'm not sure we can just google. I
Speaker 1: believe in this situation that your unicorn may not be
Speaker 1: what's on the table in all these dating naps. I
Speaker 1: would assure you it's not. Anyway he is Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: back to football. I don't put I don't put almost
Speaker 1: anything into these preseason performances. I'm more excited he did
Speaker 1: look uh composed just that by everyone who's watched his
Speaker 1: practice and what he said after this game that you
Speaker 1: just can't compare where I am Lamar Jackson right now
Speaker 1: compared to where I was a year ago. I'm so
Speaker 1: much more advanced throwing the ball and understanding kind of
Speaker 1: the concepts of the offense. That's what everyone said watching practice.
Speaker 1: You can see it a little bit in the preseason.
Speaker 1: I'm not putting too much of that, but I buy
Speaker 1: that that he's pretty far further advanced as a pass
Speaker 1: to see that, and it's a reason to get so
Speaker 1: excited about Baker Mayfield. Uh. Sam Donald, who they're saying
Speaker 1: has more zip on his throws, and he contributed that
Speaker 1: to being being in a full off season where he's
Speaker 1: not prepping for combine and uh, you know, the draft
Speaker 1: and all that malarkey. He's a will to just focus
Speaker 1: on the game. These guys that flashed in year one,
Speaker 1: there's reason to be highly optimistic about what they can
Speaker 1: do in year two. West, what was the takeaway that
Speaker 1: you had, uh from yesterday? Well, I think we've learned
Speaker 1: by now that preseason analysis tends to simply be confirmation bias.
Speaker 1: If you were worried about Kyler Murray and Cliff Kingsbury, um,
Speaker 1: I was worried because you're talking about a very talented
Speaker 1: guy who's joining the worst team in the league with
Speaker 1: a terrible offensive line, a first time head coach, bringing
Speaker 1: a system into the NFL that's never been in the NFL,
Speaker 1: a subpar receiving course, subpar offensive line, bad defense. There's
Speaker 1: a lot on his shoulders. If you're worried about that,
Speaker 1: then you're still You're even more worried after like four
Speaker 1: punts and a safety to start the season. But if
Speaker 1: you think that Kyler is going to be a sensation,
Speaker 1: you just write it off as Hey, it's the preseason
Speaker 1: is not a big deal. So to me, I'm a
Speaker 1: little worried. I don't put any I'm worried, but not
Speaker 1: because of that performance at all, because they're often even
Speaker 1: more than any other, is gonna be so game specific,
Speaker 1: and it's being so shielded in the preseason that they're
Speaker 1: so vanilla that they're not doing anything that they're gonna
Speaker 1: do that you almost can't look at it. Now. There
Speaker 1: are a few things like him taking false starts and
Speaker 1: him taking that safety that was just bad. You know,
Speaker 1: he had some big time rookie moments. Are you worried
Speaker 1: at all about the helmet to body ratio? What is that?
Speaker 1: The martian out there looks like his stature and I
Speaker 1: know this is way played out if you were part
Speaker 1: of the draft industrial complex in the months of leading
Speaker 1: up to the draft. When he finally goes number one,
Speaker 1: is he too small to succeed in the NFL? It
Speaker 1: does stand out how how small and stature he seems
Speaker 1: on that field, and even at one point he goes
Speaker 1: to the sideline to to speak with his head coach
Speaker 1: and Kingsbury's towering over, uh Murray. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: there's anything to really take out of that, but he
Speaker 1: is not a big guy, and you just wanted. You
Speaker 1: don't see that a lot. He's not what the typical
Speaker 1: quarterback mold is not saying he's doomed to fail because
Speaker 1: of its height, just saying it's striking to see on
Speaker 1: the field a quarterback with that how many it's a
Speaker 1: little like a Marvel like bad guy character, like the
Speaker 1: bad guys, like when like short rock stars you look
Speaker 1: at a Seaman concert and they're wearing big, like three
Speaker 1: inch platform boots. Is that what he's doing with the
Speaker 1: helmet to get a couple extranches. It's just just a
Speaker 1: normal helmet, but on a five ft nine and three helmet.
Speaker 1: Though he does the visor. I can't think of many
Speaker 1: starting quarterbacks that come into the league with the visor
Speaker 1: like that. I like, my one thing with them is
Speaker 1: if the offense struggles at all early or it goes
Speaker 1: through something like we saw last night, and it's it's
Speaker 1: fair to expect that it that it might. They have nothing.
Speaker 1: It seems like they have nothing on defense to support
Speaker 1: what's happening. Patrick Peterson is out on a long suspension
Speaker 1: to start the year. Robert Alford got hurt last night.
Speaker 1: It just he broke his flag a starting corner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that is a concern. In both games, by the
Speaker 1: way the opposing offenses went up and down the yield
Speaker 1: on the Cardinals, that's that's a little bit of concern.
Speaker 1: But I'm not worried about the offense there. They've remind
Speaker 1: me of kind of Mike Shanahan RG three. They're hiding
Speaker 1: things until a week one. I keep hearing that comparison.
Speaker 1: We'll see, I you know, And I know every time
Speaker 1: I bring up this team it sounds like I'm buttering
Speaker 1: uh Dan's bread to try to like make to not
Speaker 1: reveal my real feelings. But I get spared. But I
Speaker 1: will say this about Sam Donald and because one thing
Speaker 1: I think you can pull away from these preseason games
Speaker 1: is how does the first team offense do against what
Speaker 1: should be mostly defensive starters. And so you're really only
Speaker 1: getting one driver two And it's two weeks in a
Speaker 1: row where the Jets are ripping down field. And it's
Speaker 1: not just how they're doing it, it's what we didn't
Speaker 1: see much from Donald last year because I thought they
Speaker 1: kept them under wraps in that hideous offense is aggressive
Speaker 1: downfield throws. I think they're wide receivers are It's a
Speaker 1: talented group that's working well with Donald. It's interesting to
Speaker 1: see Time Montgomery clearly be a guy that's gonna get
Speaker 1: more usage than I would have thought maybe before this
Speaker 1: preseason where at that he was a disaster for the Ravens.
Speaker 1: And but it's yeah, but they have leve Bell, so
Speaker 1: it's like they also have other running backs they can use.
Speaker 1: But my one concerned, I don't like any team at
Speaker 1: this point that gets into, you know, a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks before the season and you've got this uh character
Speaker 1: Tyler or Taylor burt A Lay missing extra points and
Speaker 1: looking like he simply does not belong on the field.
Speaker 1: He's there, he so he of course Charley Candazano misses
Speaker 1: two extra points in week one of the preseason, walks
Speaker 1: into his coach's office and says, I'm retiring or twenty
Speaker 1: eight must be nice. Taylor Berna Lay or whatever. Bert
Speaker 1: Lay not gonna be here much longer. He's gonna he
Speaker 1: misses two extra points, Uh, he'll be gone. And what's
Speaker 1: gonna end up happening? It seems like the stars are
Speaker 1: aligned that the Vikings they just got the guy from Baltimore.
Speaker 1: They're gonna kicked Dan Balley to the Curb and I
Speaker 1: think Dan Bailey's kind of on the ropes. But the
Speaker 1: Jets or another similarly needy team will end up with
Speaker 1: Dan Bellie has been thrown over the ropes. There'll be
Speaker 1: a few of those kickers cut. I think the but
Speaker 1: there's multiple teams looking for him. Yeah, there's multiple teams
Speaker 1: that will be looking uh for kickers. I think the Bears,
Speaker 1: after all this kicking competition and all this nonsense talked
Speaker 1: throughout all the off season, there's a very good chance
Speaker 1: their kicker is just someone they signed two days before
Speaker 1: the seasons there that none of it mattered. But but
Speaker 1: to wrap that, I like, I know Adam Gaze has
Speaker 1: his there's suspicions about him there, He's got his detractors
Speaker 1: and how people think can go. I can think of
Speaker 1: another coach and I'm not comparing them that are super
Speaker 1: arrowed down on this guy. After he totally burnt out
Speaker 1: with a team, went back and was an assistant for
Speaker 1: a while, and someone somewhere prized him, thought he was
Speaker 1: just this value that deserved a second shot. That was
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. I'm not saying that they're the same on
Speaker 1: any level, but there's something about Adam gaze and especially
Speaker 1: as demeanor during this preseason. I love the smelling salt stuff.
Speaker 1: I love just sort of the fact that he's a
Speaker 1: little jacked up and has a huge beard, and he
Speaker 1: works well with Donald. I just kind of think he
Speaker 1: doesn't given I think they're going to score points. I
Speaker 1: like the annual tradition of Greg Williams calling like blitzes
Speaker 1: but and just throwing the falcons the falcons and the
Speaker 1: and their line looks suspect and their offensive line is injuried,
Speaker 1: but they're not preparing for those blitzes. So again, that's
Speaker 1: one of those is why though Greg Williams, even in
Speaker 1: a preseason game, he has to do it. They are
Speaker 1: so they are in so much trouble Jets on defense
Speaker 1: and Avery Williamson blew out his knee, and that is
Speaker 1: they're starting inside linebacker and he is a quarterback on
Speaker 1: that on that defense, that, yeah, that is a huge
Speaker 1: loss for a defense that already has no secondary or
Speaker 1: real pass rush. I think the Jets are gonna lose
Speaker 1: a lot of thirty eight thirty one games this year unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Uh and Greg Williams his task will be to go nuts.
Speaker 1: Greg Williams style with blitzing. I think that will be
Speaker 1: their only chance to be hyper aggressive, but they're gonna
Speaker 1: get burned a lot. He's gotten so much better and
Speaker 1: improv the last three or four years. He is not
Speaker 1: the quarterback people think he is. He gets away from
Speaker 1: pressure pretty well. It makes plays they are not scripted.
Speaker 1: He's in my top five, he would be in my
Speaker 1: top five. Greg Williams is a perfect if you're gonna
Speaker 1: have Greg Williams do it when he's kind of has
Speaker 1: less talent almost and has to go crazy scheming like.
Speaker 1: He's a good guy to make a bad defense fine,
Speaker 1: and that's what they need. They need to a bad
Speaker 1: defense to be okay, it's not gonna be good. My
Speaker 1: takeaways that Dwayne Haskins and case Keenum are not inspiring
Speaker 1: Jay Gruden and that he would love for one of
Speaker 1: these guys to step up. But when they really asked
Speaker 1: him about Keenum after the game on UM Thursday night,
Speaker 1: you could just tell he's just Jake Gruden is not
Speaker 1: excited about about Keenum. Colt McCoy has been too injured
Speaker 1: to play, and so they have to choose one of
Speaker 1: him and Haskins. Look the touchdown throw he made was
Speaker 1: one of the best throws of the preseason, standing in
Speaker 1: the pocket, hit him and stride way down the field.
Speaker 1: That was awesome. But after at his next six possessions
Speaker 1: were five punts and a fumble, and he seems to
Speaker 1: be making some good decisions but not delivering the ball accurately.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't seem like he has a great chance
Speaker 1: to start Week one. And I feel bad for him
Speaker 1: because the left tackle and their entire offensive line is
Speaker 1: just so troubling right now. They don't have Trent Williams.
Speaker 1: And this quote from Adrian Peterson, which was from before
Speaker 1: the game, but it really I wanted to say it
Speaker 1: because he it's so telling. He thinks that the left
Speaker 1: tackle situation is making life so much harder on Dwayne Haskins.
Speaker 1: It's making him have to think more, not process things
Speaker 1: as calmly. Matter of fact, I think it's impacting all
Speaker 1: of our qbs. Guys are coming off the edge and
Speaker 1: practice right there on the QB and the running back
Speaker 1: every other down. It's been a struggle. That's what Adrian Peterson.
Speaker 1: He wants to get back to his left tackle. Well,
Speaker 1: he's defended, Yeah, he's It sounds like he's by the
Speaker 1: way Adrian Peterson still jump cutting like he's look pretty.
Speaker 1: He heard me saying I could go get Velvin to
Speaker 1: call him like garbage or something. I just said like that,
Speaker 1: he doesn't matter. I said, don't worry about him long
Speaker 1: term if you want to, it doesn't matter. Another big
Speaker 1: injury I mentioned every Williamson the Chargers. This is a
Speaker 1: big one. West huge safety Derwin James, one of the
Speaker 1: best young players in football, suffered a fracture in his foot.
Speaker 1: He's gonna miss it a significant amount of time. He
Speaker 1: is a candidate for the boomerang. I are potentially, Uh,
Speaker 1: it's that level of an injury. Maybe not something at
Speaker 1: this point that we're hearing is gonna end a season,
Speaker 1: but we'll significantly eat into it. Just a note, I
Speaker 1: are boomerang just so that we can try to get
Speaker 1: this thing off the ground the second time. Not boomerang
Speaker 1: I R. It's I R boomerang rolls off the tongue.
Speaker 1: Last little Last year's Chargers were the outlier. They didn't
Speaker 1: have their season decimated by injuries. And now we're returning
Speaker 1: to the pre two thousand eighteen Chargers. You've got Derwin James. Okay,
Speaker 1: one of along with Joey Bosa and Melvin Ingram, the
Speaker 1: three best defensive players. Russell Locum the left tackle, who
Speaker 1: knows that when he he's gonna be back, Keenan Allen
Speaker 1: ankle injury out for the entire preseason, Melvin Gordon hold out,
Speaker 1: who knows when he's coming back. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: question marks on this Chargers team, and the O Kung
Speaker 1: one is major. We talked about how he had almost
Speaker 1: a life threatening injury or with his heart. He he
Speaker 1: hasn't practiced at all, and if if he doesn't, their
Speaker 1: tackle situation with Rock with Philip Rivers at thirty eight
Speaker 1: years old behind him, would be up there with the
Speaker 1: worst in the entire NFL between their left tackle and
Speaker 1: their right tackle. And it's not like they're great at
Speaker 1: Garden in the middle either. I I that is the
Speaker 1: thing that really worries me about the Chargers. Anybody else
Speaker 1: have something? Yes the past interference call in the Redskins
Speaker 1: Bengals game that was not good. I think replay review
Speaker 1: sounds great in theory, you fix what's obviously wrong. In practice,
Speaker 1: common sense and entertainment value just get thrown out the
Speaker 1: window on judgment calls. We've seen this for years, and
Speaker 1: the thing about rules is they're pretty worthless if they
Speaker 1: are if they're applied arbitrarily and capretty just lee the
Speaker 1: sequence of events in that play. We'll see it play
Speaker 1: out dozens of times throughout the season, and you won't
Speaker 1: see a flag thrown once. That was the player where
Speaker 1: he came back to the balls and back to the ball.
Speaker 1: And the explanation this morning from the officials is that
Speaker 1: there was a kind of a hand check at some
Speaker 1: point that through the defender off balance, like tan yards
Speaker 1: before the catch, which you can only see you on
Speaker 1: coaches replay, except you can't even really see it. I
Speaker 1: think it's never gonna be called. Doesn't it feel like
Speaker 1: that we talked about a little bit on the last show.
Speaker 1: There's some pushback going on here between the officiating group
Speaker 1: and what the owners are trying to make a point
Speaker 1: put into the league. The officials hate this rule and
Speaker 1: it's all it's it's all playing on the stage of
Speaker 1: Twitter where people are going absolutely not sober it. I
Speaker 1: have two little quick things. I love this in the
Speaker 1: Ravens game, and it's it's a stretch for me to
Speaker 1: like anything the Ravens do. At a principle, but they
Speaker 1: have in their stadium now. You know, when you go
Speaker 1: to an NFL game and they or any sort of
Speaker 1: big sports stadium and it turns towards night and they
Speaker 1: kick up the gigantic league lights surround, it takes like,
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen minutes for them to warm up and
Speaker 1: truly brighton. The Ravens have a feature now and it
Speaker 1: happened last night, and in that game, by the way,
Speaker 1: features Trace McSorley, my guy. That is a quarterback controversy
Speaker 1: in Baltimore. But they have a lights on, lights off
Speaker 1: feature where it's almost like you're in your bedroom and
Speaker 1: you just want to go on off, on off, on off,
Speaker 1: on off. That quickly the stadium lights shoot on and
Speaker 1: shoot off. It is fantas and Christmas vacation. I I
Speaker 1: have to wonder if it's a little bit of a
Speaker 1: nod to the Ravens nine or Super Bowl. Um, but
Speaker 1: I think it's probably something that it's not that. My
Speaker 1: other note is that, you know, last year, I think
Speaker 1: we obviously as a group had some issues with Monday
Speaker 1: night football. UM, I'm not sure that they're totally solved,
Speaker 1: but watching the broadcast last night, minus Jason Witten, good
Speaker 1: luck to him, But Joe Testa Tour and Booger were
Speaker 1: a lot better her, I thought, And I thought the
Speaker 1: Testator took up tack about thirty of his exuberance and
Speaker 1: kind of just brought it down a notch and I
Speaker 1: found it a much more listenable. Uh. They want that.
Speaker 1: I want that. We all want that. So they are.
Speaker 1: It takes time to grow. It's a broadcast. Booger and
Speaker 1: Testator survived their survivors because they could have easily been
Speaker 1: kicked out the door, because that was how bad the
Speaker 1: criticism criticism was, although most of it was trained on Witten.
Speaker 1: They are now set up well. Once you survive, now
Speaker 1: you've got the opportunity to bounce have the bounce back season.
Speaker 1: You know where people can be like, wow, Booger and
Speaker 1: tests these guys aren't so bad after all. They if
Speaker 1: if they play this right, this will be a very
Speaker 1: nice season for them. It's a it is a bounce
Speaker 1: back scenario. And Testatory has got a big reality show
Speaker 1: hit too. Is everything coming of it is big summer hit. Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's a rob Rega golf. It's all happening.
Speaker 1: They were the Russell Wilson Show. I think he's the
Speaker 1: executive producer. All I know is multiple streams of income
Speaker 1: work any human beings. That sounds good. They had. They
Speaker 1: had the fortune too, of having Kyler Murray play the
Speaker 1: whole first, having something to talk about where in some
Speaker 1: of these games. The Sean McVeigh iffacation of the preseason
Speaker 1: is really taken over. Sean McVeigh last year didn't play
Speaker 1: any of his starters on either side of the ball
Speaker 1: for the entire preseason, which was next level in minimizing
Speaker 1: the preseason, and more and more teams are going that way,
Speaker 1: like Eagles Jaguars. Neither team was really playing any starters.
Speaker 1: It's like, I like this, it could just skip. I
Speaker 1: don't need to watch Minshaw versus Clayton Thorson. Just just
Speaker 1: skip it. The preseason it used it started to be
Speaker 1: down to just weeks two and three, and now it's
Speaker 1: just down to like some teams week three. Well, the
Speaker 1: one the one motto, obviously with the Eagles is your
Speaker 1: Your reason for doing that is to completely eradicate the
Speaker 1: concept of losing major players to injury. But by playing
Speaker 1: their backups, they've lost Sudfeldt, Nate Sudfeld last week to
Speaker 1: a serious injury, and and and Cody Kessler's back in
Speaker 1: concussion protocol for like multiple times in his career. Fitzpatrick,
Speaker 1: get him up there. You you called it um. By
Speaker 1: the way, the program is called Holy Moly, and it
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Speaker 1: guys need good to hear you. It's Saturday afternoon in
Speaker 1: her world right now. A right, that's what's happening. And uh,
Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the preseason. Of course, more games
Speaker 1: to come this weekend, hopefully no more serious injuries. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get to it. Fire up the burners because it's
Speaker 1: that time. To talk about it now. And I know
Speaker 1: there's there's gonna be people around the league that work
Speaker 1: in front office that that even they don't like seeing it,
Speaker 1: they don't like saying at the NFL dot com is
Speaker 1: a story about hot butts, uh and head coaches. The
Speaker 1: ranking that I've put together is not a prediction of
Speaker 1: how these seasons are gonna go. It's more just a
Speaker 1: lay of the land. What kind of footing are these
Speaker 1: men on as they begin the twenty nineteen season. And
Speaker 1: I put it into tears and and you guys can
Speaker 1: tell me how you wanna hit this, how you want
Speaker 1: to handle it. But I broke it down into I
Speaker 1: believe five different tiers. It should be no surprise that
Speaker 1: number one is Bill Belichick and he's in his own
Speaker 1: realm in a tier called Bill Belichick, and it tier
Speaker 1: called Bill Belichick because that's how important Belichick is the
Speaker 1: Patriots and the legacy is built there. Uh, maybe, Wes,
Speaker 1: I thought I'd lean on you as a story. Now,
Speaker 1: you might bring up a certain a man connected to
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals, a founding father. But since Vince Lombardi,
Speaker 1: has anyone been safer from the hot seat than Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1: That's that's a fair question. Yeah, I would bring up
Speaker 1: the guy who was the owner of the Bengals while
Speaker 1: he was the head coach, Paul Brown. Right, how about
Speaker 1: like Zach Taylor right now, there's no way the Browns
Speaker 1: are firing a coach one year into his contract. You
Speaker 1: guys all said that Steve Wilks at this time last year.
Speaker 1: It happens. It happens. In fact, the great people in
Speaker 1: NFL Research sent me some info on that it doesn't
Speaker 1: happen a lot, but it happens every one or two years,
Speaker 1: two or three years. Wilkes. Uh Rod Chazynski with Cleveland
Speaker 1: was I think the last guy before that. Occasionally it happened.
Speaker 1: So and with this list and you guys jump in
Speaker 1: whenever I did. Stick all the first time first year
Speaker 1: head coaches and kind of the same group right in
Speaker 1: the middle. And when it comes down to it, in
Speaker 1: the last ten years of the league, it's been really consistent.
Speaker 1: It's been seven or eight coaches that get let go
Speaker 1: at the end of every week seventeen that Black Monday. Uh,
Speaker 1: it was eight this year, it was seven last year.
Speaker 1: I think it was six the year before that, but
Speaker 1: then seven, seven, eight. You have to go back. There
Speaker 1: was one outlier year two thousand ten. I believe it
Speaker 1: was when it was just three coaches fired. But every
Speaker 1: other year there's gonna be turnover almost a clip. So
Speaker 1: let's jump into it. Uh, you got I want to
Speaker 1: know where I got it wrong? Okay, let's start that
Speaker 1: one guy who sticks out and I maybe this is
Speaker 1: the Greg Rosenthal influence on you. But John Harwall would
Speaker 1: be like twelve spots higher. I think, at least I
Speaker 1: think he would be in that top ten for me.
Speaker 1: He has You've got him twenty three, so you have
Speaker 1: him kind of has the tent, the tent if you're
Speaker 1: going back to front, he has the hottest seat. He
Speaker 1: has the tent Hottessee, which would put him twenty three
Speaker 1: out of thirty two. Long somewhat of a long shot
Speaker 1: to get fired, but he would be in the conversation
Speaker 1: west I Originally I did make some phone calls as
Speaker 1: uh the insider, checking in with some things, and I
Speaker 1: was told, don't be so COVID, don't read too much
Speaker 1: at um. Well, we've been told that for years now
Speaker 1: and I've never believed it. Here's the here's the bottom
Speaker 1: line with him, though, I mean, we can say the
Speaker 1: contract extension is something to just you know, lock him in.
Speaker 1: He's safe. But this is essentially a five coach over
Speaker 1: the last six years, since that's Super Bowl my one
Speaker 1: thing he is. A year ago, you know, the question
Speaker 1: would have been, what if he had handled the transition
Speaker 1: from Joe Flacco to Lamar Jackson disastrously or if he
Speaker 1: resisted it when everyone else saw it should happen. I
Speaker 1: thought he handled it perfectly, and to me, it gave
Speaker 1: him a new lease on life and my with my
Speaker 1: I go back to this with some of these guys
Speaker 1: with it John Harbaugh, it's almost like you put him
Speaker 1: in for me like a Mike Tomlin. A lot of
Speaker 1: people have issues with Tomlin. Some people have issues with Harbaugh.
Speaker 1: You move on from them. They both get hired the
Speaker 1: night they get fired by someone else, and then you,
Speaker 1: as the Ravens, have to find someone that you can
Speaker 1: tell your fan base is better than John Harden. I
Speaker 1: think he's pretty safe. I would put him in the
Speaker 1: He is the first guy in that tier, and so
Speaker 1: if you had just kind of put him at the
Speaker 1: back of the other tier, I think he's somewhere there
Speaker 1: where things have to go pretty wrong. The other the
Speaker 1: other part of it, and you could read into this
Speaker 1: if you want, is you know um Erica Costa. He's
Speaker 1: in control of that show in Baltimore now and when
Speaker 1: Harba signed the extension, if you want to be you know,
Speaker 1: read into things in his tweet and his statement he
Speaker 1: thanked ownership but not the general manager and Da Costa
Speaker 1: maybe you know, wants to put a stamp on this
Speaker 1: team at a certain point. I've been bringing his guy
Speaker 1: that I Harbor already has gone. They've been together for
Speaker 1: If you're looking for kind of surprise head coaches job,
Speaker 1: that often happens with the new new GM, even though
Speaker 1: he's been just a little bit different. When the GM
Speaker 1: comes from in house and has been the GM and
Speaker 1: waiting for half a decade. Let it be said, I
Speaker 1: do not believe he'll be fired. I have one for
Speaker 1: you if we I I hear where you're coming from
Speaker 1: by putting Kyle Shanahan way down at but to me
Speaker 1: it would be number one. We have not seen that
Speaker 1: coach run a full season with his with a with
Speaker 1: the with the even a healthy roster, much less not
Speaker 1: having his quarterback. And so this the season decides a lot,
Speaker 1: Jimmy g is a good passer, and they still wind
Speaker 1: up four and twelve or five and eleven. Okay, But
Speaker 1: unless that forty Niners organization, which has burned through coaches
Speaker 1: over the last five or six years, is convinced that
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan is not anything that most everyone who looks
Speaker 1: at that team believes that he is one of the
Speaker 1: best and most creative coaches around. To me to move
Speaker 1: on from him after this season and put him down
Speaker 1: a twenty eight, I just feel that's that's in danger
Speaker 1: territory where I just don't see him that way. But
Speaker 1: maybe myke My contents might be too high in him.
Speaker 1: Let me let me throw out a hypothetical. Let's say
Speaker 1: the Niners go six and ten this year and in
Speaker 1: three years he's sixteen and thirty two and they're not
Speaker 1: moving in the right direction. And on top of it,
Speaker 1: I think John Lynch is in a lot of danger
Speaker 1: potentially as well. And if Lynch goes, they might bringing
Speaker 1: a guy who wants to bring in his own guy.
Speaker 1: So I think Shanahan maybe the reason he's a few
Speaker 1: spots lower on this list than I would have put him,
Speaker 1: just based on what I think of him, which he
Speaker 1: is a talented play caller, is because he might get
Speaker 1: thrown out with the bathwater if they don't get better
Speaker 1: this year. It's time by the wee can make excuses
Speaker 1: all day about why Kyle Shanahan didn't get it done
Speaker 1: in the first two years or the Niners didn't. If
Speaker 1: it happens again, at what point do you say, well,
Speaker 1: maybe this isn't working. This whole football gods have been
Speaker 1: pretty angry at Kyle Shanahan since halftime of Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I mean, and you know the Falcons and then the
Speaker 1: injuries that category, so it's seat perhaps warmer than preferred,
Speaker 1: and this is your second to last year is to
Speaker 1: me the most fascinating. I'm with Mark. I would have
Speaker 1: put Shanahan uh closer to Harbaugh. And I think that
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera, dan Quinn, and Jason Garrett, for instance, who
Speaker 1: are all really interesting names, UH would have a little
Speaker 1: less job security than him. I think Garrett need to
Speaker 1: I think Garrett needs to make the playoffs. I think
Speaker 1: dan Quinn maybe needs to make the playoffs, and I
Speaker 1: think Ron Rivera maybe needs to make the playoffs. And
Speaker 1: it's all different reasons. I think Falcons are maybe just
Speaker 1: a little antsie after they let him fires coaches, if
Speaker 1: his defense is still bad, if they still miss the playoffs,
Speaker 1: I think they make a change Rivera with the ownership change.
Speaker 1: I think everyone loves Ron Rivera and I think they're
Speaker 1: in position to make the playoffs. I'm gonna prick them
Speaker 1: to the playoffs and then and then they'll be fine.
Speaker 1: But I just think with the ownership change, and they
Speaker 1: might want to change GMS at some point, like that's
Speaker 1: a that's a tough situation for him. It's funny and
Speaker 1: doing the research around Garrett because he's a very interesting
Speaker 1: case here. I'm at twenty seven, he's been there for
Speaker 1: nine years, never been to a super Bowl, really come close,
Speaker 1: and they're kind of in a super Bowl or bus place.
Speaker 1: Back in July at the start of training camp, there
Speaker 1: was it was such a total cowboys scene where they
Speaker 1: have everybody up on a dais for a press conference
Speaker 1: outdoors and Ox nerd and a reporter asks this, what
Speaker 1: do you from Mason and to bring him back in?
Speaker 1: What did you say? I really didn't hear you. What
Speaker 1: you need to see from Jason to bring him back?
Speaker 1: I really didn't hear you. Drill going on back over
Speaker 1: there next question. I mean that that's such a total
Speaker 1: Cowboys moment. But it is so interesting that that this
Speaker 1: is all this is Jason Garret's life West. It's seems
Speaker 1: more acute, and maybe it's because of the spotlight with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys than anyone else that he has to worry
Speaker 1: about these things. Well, we've talked about this quite a bit,
Speaker 1: that Jerry brought him up through the farm system. Basically
Speaker 1: he this is his hand chosen guy that he has
Speaker 1: brought up um and basically installed him. And I don't
Speaker 1: to me, I don't know he his job security has
Speaker 1: always seemed much higher to me than people outside of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys would think. But this year is unique with
Speaker 1: with him and his last last year of his contract.
Speaker 1: They they especially Steve and Jones, seems to be saying
Speaker 1: the play outstair bus. I only have one coach on
Speaker 1: this list that to me is in a totally uh
Speaker 1: different tier than I would have him. I would move
Speaker 1: him down two tiers from fourteen down to the late twenties.
Speaker 1: It's Bill O'Brien. Bill O'Brien's had a lot going on,
Speaker 1: and I think the ownership change there has been quiet.
Speaker 1: We're bringing out, the Bill O'Brien out. No, No, it's
Speaker 1: not all right. No matter what happens going into this.
Speaker 1: If he trades Clowney, Okay, that's on him, that's sort
Speaker 1: of he's going to have to own that. Does that
Speaker 1: work out or not, Like whatever is happening this season,
Speaker 1: if it all goes wrong, I think the ownership change
Speaker 1: is something to consider. Bob McNair passed away, cal McNair's
Speaker 1: son is took over. I just think everything that's gone
Speaker 1: on with him pushing people out couldn't get ugly. Like
Speaker 1: if that season gets ugly, I think they could just
Speaker 1: think let's let's start over. I think he'd be in
Speaker 1: a lot, little more trouble than than it is. I
Speaker 1: wrote he carries the hammer there right now, and he's
Speaker 1: he's in a lot of control. But I do, I do,
Speaker 1: And I wrote that I left it open that things
Speaker 1: could change quickly, and you brought up the ownership and
Speaker 1: I should have put that in there because that's certainly
Speaker 1: something to be um connected to this conversation. But yeah,
Speaker 1: they were in last place two years ago. They turned around.
Speaker 1: Last year things take a sour turn again and they
Speaker 1: have a new regime ahead of him in place he
Speaker 1: maybe could become vulnerable quickly. The counter against that is
Speaker 1: that the McNair family has shown their loyalty to him
Speaker 1: by letting him fire two g MS in eighteen months.
Speaker 1: Counter to his DNA. There has been surviving through a
Speaker 1: lot of already rocky scenarios, and you know, you have
Speaker 1: to wonder it comes down to owners ownerships, belief in you.
Speaker 1: And they've already seen him through. Yes, I know, I
Speaker 1: realized there's some change there, but it's still the same
Speaker 1: group owning the team to some degree, and they've seen
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien through a lot. He may be good at this,
Speaker 1: by the way, maybe not as good as a GM,
Speaker 1: maybe only so so as a head coach. Ultimately he
Speaker 1: might be a guy that knows how to sit on
Speaker 1: the iron throne. Like I think you're absolutely right. I
Speaker 1: think he had a little bit of that reputation too,
Speaker 1: and I think it helped him get the job at
Speaker 1: Penn State and then ultimately get the job at He's
Speaker 1: that's not a knock on him. He's someone who has
Speaker 1: ambition and he's gone out and he's gotten pretty far.
Speaker 1: There's one guy who another guy I think is too
Speaker 1: high and I understand why you put him at eleven,
Speaker 1: but my Spidey senses they're tingling so heavily on Bruce
Speaker 1: Arians in Tampa the whole era that it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: I don't think he went into this with this one, potentially.
Speaker 1: I don't think he went into the same commitment level
Speaker 1: that he's done in previous jobs, and so he could
Speaker 1: be the reason he's not safe on something. I think
Speaker 1: he would be the reason. I love what he did.
Speaker 1: I think it shows excellent leadership in the NFL that
Speaker 1: he's the one saying I want these minority coaches to
Speaker 1: get jobs, and I'm taking this job so I can
Speaker 1: bring these guys with me. I think it's so cool.
Speaker 1: But he was at a stage in his career where
Speaker 1: he said, I'm only coaching again if I'm not giving
Speaker 1: myself the responsibility of calling plays. Well, the whole Bruce
Speaker 1: Arians experiences him being the play caller. That's what it is.
Speaker 1: He's the quarterback guru. He's the play caller, and now
Speaker 1: he's giving that to other not just worry that he's
Speaker 1: all in. That's a great call that there's a little
Speaker 1: um it's a little reminiscent of Mike Shanahan and Washington,
Speaker 1: which it almost felt like Mike Shanahan took the Washington
Speaker 1: job not just for the money, which I'm sure it
Speaker 1: was great. Has a Dan Snyder wing on his house
Speaker 1: like Dean Sanders, but that he wanted to set up
Speaker 1: his son and all of this, these young coaches, and
Speaker 1: that seems when you hear arians talk to be a
Speaker 1: big time motivation for him. He believes it's not just
Speaker 1: Todd Bowles, but especially on the offensive side, Byron Leffarge
Speaker 1: and Harrold Good, all these assistants, that he's not only
Speaker 1: giving them jobs, he's helping their career. He's trying to
Speaker 1: like lift them up. But that's maybe not like what
Speaker 1: you want your head coach to be primarily motivated by.
Speaker 1: I feel that a little bit too us, But I
Speaker 1: guess for this exercise, I kind of more focused on
Speaker 1: guys that could have the job taken from them against
Speaker 1: their will. May I could see him coming back and
Speaker 1: not having the fire and be like this isn't for me,
Speaker 1: Or he doesn't feel well physically, he's has health issues.
Speaker 1: It could be him doing that. It could also be
Speaker 1: that everything the snowball factor is high here too, uh
Speaker 1: and when Jamis Winston wins Comeback Player of the Year
Speaker 1: real quickly. I I don't have a huge problem with
Speaker 1: where you put Anthony Land at number thirteen, but the
Speaker 1: name that came to mind a little bit the parallel
Speaker 1: because there's so much talent on that team that the
Speaker 1: way they moved on from Marty Schottenheimer after a season
Speaker 1: where they had a dominant record, where you have to ask,
Speaker 1: I like, I like Anthony Lynn, but is he you
Speaker 1: had a chance to go out and get one of
Speaker 1: those four or five coaches that are a true game changer,
Speaker 1: would you ever move on from I like anthonin but
Speaker 1: I can't point to you why I think he's coaches
Speaker 1: are there. I'm just saying it. Let's say, let's go
Speaker 1: the other way. I'd put him in the top ten
Speaker 1: with Pete Carroll and Matt Naggy and Frank Greig. I mean,
Speaker 1: he got the Chargers twelve wins last year, and I
Speaker 1: think has the respect of that organization and that he
Speaker 1: would have a really long rup. I'd even put him higher.
Speaker 1: I like him. I just something about if like Sean
Speaker 1: you know, Peyton became available or something like that. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Two things working for him, I think that
Speaker 1: makes him ultra safe this year one. They took a
Speaker 1: big step last year, not only with that great season
Speaker 1: where they you know, gave the Chiefs everything they could
Speaker 1: handle in that division, but then they go and they
Speaker 1: put together a brilliant defensive game and beat the Ravens
Speaker 1: and that was a really impressive showing. Uh. And then
Speaker 1: when we look at Philip Rivers, a guy that looked
Speaker 1: like he could have been on the way out a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, at least he was becoming a
Speaker 1: sloppier quarterback, and he's just been a much safer quarterback
Speaker 1: with the ball while still being kind of an elite
Speaker 1: Thinking if they go nine and seven and with the
Speaker 1: talent they don't, that's all I'm not talking about today,
Speaker 1: but a year from now, if it's just reminds me
Speaker 1: a little bit of John Harbaugh. And that's a compliment
Speaker 1: that I think his players believe he made. He manages
Speaker 1: the team extremely well, like manages the personalities and the
Speaker 1: coaches and all that, and on some level, that's the
Speaker 1: biggest job a coach has. I also like at the combine,
Speaker 1: talked to him in the elevator for roughly nine seconds
Speaker 1: and really liked him, so I'm rooting for him. Let
Speaker 1: me throw out one name that I struggled with where
Speaker 1: to place him, because he's done a nice job there
Speaker 1: and I think he's well liked um, but he's coming
Speaker 1: off a really disappointing season. He's an older guy, Mike
Speaker 1: Zimmer with the Vikings. I have him at twenty six,
Speaker 1: which was my way of being like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I either he's really safe or he's uh, surprisingly not safe.
Speaker 1: Where do you guys come in on him? You have
Speaker 1: him with Rivera Quinn And to me that's they're all
Speaker 1: three very similars and they're good coaches, so they would
Speaker 1: have to like really fall on their face. But I
Speaker 1: think that the patients might end up wearing thin if
Speaker 1: they have a disastrous season. Okay, and now the danger zone.
Speaker 1: Here we go. This is These are the guys. And
Speaker 1: again it brings me no joy to report this, but
Speaker 1: if you had to, if there's gonna be at least
Speaker 1: got five guys that get let go. These are the
Speaker 1: guys that I would you know, I mean, you can
Speaker 1: last year lack of joy by not playing this sound drop.
Speaker 1: I don't think it needs to be done, all right,
Speaker 1: so here we go DMX. He taught us it's dark
Speaker 1: and hell is hot. Here we go Matt Patricia twenty nine.
Speaker 1: He replaces uh Caldwell who went nine and seven backs
Speaker 1: back years ago, six and ten. The whole organization seems
Speaker 1: to be a little bit of a funk. They play
Speaker 1: in a tough division. I got Doug Moron at thirty
Speaker 1: obviously hell this year. Last year in Jacksonville, Tom Coughlin
Speaker 1: was probably pretty pod about how last year went. So
Speaker 1: you gotta get things going uh quickly. Uh number thirty
Speaker 1: one on the list. I had Pat Shermer of the
Speaker 1: New York Giants, and I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1: For some reason when I started writing his blurb, this
Speaker 1: is the first thing that came to mind from this
Speaker 1: prono from the ground floor. I can't too late for that,
Speaker 1: I know, But lately I'm getting the feeling that I
Speaker 1: came in at the end the best is over. I
Speaker 1: just get the feeling that Schermer is going to be
Speaker 1: an unfortunate here'll be a footnote and we will be
Speaker 1: viewed as kind of like a downtime for this organization
Speaker 1: that's in transition, that he's not part of the building.
Speaker 1: Of whatever comes next, that he's just going to be
Speaker 1: left behind. Yeah, it just feels like he's been tugged
Speaker 1: around by a lot of team messaging and decision making
Speaker 1: that I'm not sure. He may be the outlier who
Speaker 1: doesn't agree with what they're doing, but he has very
Speaker 1: little power compared to some of these other head coaches. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's well said. And I want to give a shout
Speaker 1: out to Pat Leonard of New York Daily News. Finally
Speaker 1: we've got a giant s feet writer willing to say
Speaker 1: move on from the ELI era. And he's pointed out
Speaker 1: that basically, sure, you've looked close enough. Finally you know
Speaker 1: bother or read an article. No one else in New
Speaker 1: York is saying this, name me someone who move on
Speaker 1: from ELI. I mean I could send you probably Okay,
Speaker 1: at minute forty three of literally every episode we have
Speaker 1: this conversation, I just want to thank Pat Leonard. Thank
Speaker 1: you for the job, Patty. And finally, number thirty two,
Speaker 1: the man most likely I believe to get left go
Speaker 1: let goes Jake Rudener, the Redskins. Tough situation and and
Speaker 1: you know, five years no playoff wins, three straight years
Speaker 1: without a postseason birth, that Alex Smith injury through an
Speaker 1: entire wrench into the whole operation, and now he's tied
Speaker 1: to Dwayne Haskins, who may very well turn into a
Speaker 1: good pro or a great pro at quarterback, but maybe
Speaker 1: not right now. And Jake Ruden needs a quarterback and
Speaker 1: a team that's gonna win right now, and I'm just
Speaker 1: not seeing it. I think you nailed this here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. Patricia is the only one that I would
Speaker 1: even quibble a tiny bit that he's only going into
Speaker 1: his second year and he's got a GM that I
Speaker 1: think if if the Trip is fired, they're gonna fire
Speaker 1: the GM two. And I think ownership is maybe going
Speaker 1: to have patience enough for it. Let's say he wins
Speaker 1: six or seven games again, I think he'd be fine.
Speaker 1: Maybe the fans, yeah, I think he'd be I mean,
Speaker 1: the coaches don't get fired after two years too often
Speaker 1: when there's an alignment with the front office, when there's
Speaker 1: no ownership issues or anything like that. I think Martha Ford,
Speaker 1: if they win six or seven games, is not going
Speaker 1: to just blow up the Quinn Patricia thing after only
Speaker 1: two years. Here's the thing, though, Greg Well, I agree
Speaker 1: with everything you just said. History. Chris Westling is instructive,
Speaker 1: and then you go through it. You get that third
Speaker 1: year though you know what I'm saying. I'm saying you
Speaker 1: go through it, and the great people in NFL research
Speaker 1: help me with this. Seven or eight guys are getting
Speaker 1: canned every January now, so you got to find him
Speaker 1: from somewhere. Now, maybe it is this year, will be
Speaker 1: the two thousand ten year, and maybe Matt Patricia even
Speaker 1: for this seven or eight guys won't be I think
Speaker 1: those guys like Quinn and Garrett and Rivera are in
Speaker 1: more trouble just because I think their playoffs are fired.
Speaker 1: Well see I don't know seem but they have better teams,
Speaker 1: so they have a better chance to keep it. Maybe
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia isn't in the danger zone, but who do
Speaker 1: you put him much higher up in this list? You
Speaker 1: name some guys I don't agree with that. I would
Speaker 1: keep ma Patricia where he is based on the fact
Speaker 1: that that team could also go four and twelve and
Speaker 1: they look optically a team that wants to run the
Speaker 1: ball first and do all this stuff that feels like
Speaker 1: it's from it's gotta work, or you look like you're
Speaker 1: lagging behind he's gotta make his team interesting. That's the challenge.
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Speaker 1: What is up, Little Debbie? Hey, thanks for having me back. Oh,
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Speaker 1: let's turn this up to this up in my headphones.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, stuff, this is the new stuff up by
Speaker 1: chronicles Little Debbie's latest side. Ho. I love it all right?
Speaker 1: What side? How about by the way, I think I
Speaker 1: might not have one of those in my life. That's
Speaker 1: amazing and I love that. I always support that movement.
Speaker 1: Do you be great, live your best life? I love
Speaker 1: it all right, deb Here's the thing. So you're a
Speaker 1: Raiders fan, and if you're new to the show, you
Speaker 1: should know a little Debbie, in addition to being um
Speaker 1: a rap star, is also a big fan of her
Speaker 1: hometown Raiders and Antonio Brown. This melodrama around him, with
Speaker 1: the frost bitten feet from the cryo chamber, the helmet drama.
Speaker 1: I imagine, deb none of this could sit well with you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a diva myself, and I understand, but
Speaker 1: I just here, here's here's my thoughts. Um, Even though
Speaker 1: I am a diva, I don't really understand that if
Speaker 1: I want something, there's a way of saying it. And
Speaker 1: I just feel like if he had said that he
Speaker 1: wanted his helmet back in a nicer way, they probably
Speaker 1: would have just given it to him right. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: according to the NFL, there's new rules where he had
Speaker 1: a grandfather period where he could have done it last year,
Speaker 1: but now it's by rule. Let me let me flip
Speaker 1: it a little bit of analogy here. Let's say, little Devon,
Speaker 1: you're always touring right now. I believe you're in a
Speaker 1: little bit of a break, but you're on the road
Speaker 1: a lot. Right Let's say your record label told you
Speaker 1: you can no longer use your preferred let's call it
Speaker 1: plant based relaxing, Okay, okay, and instead they told you
Speaker 1: what you could smoke. Why did you fight that tooth?
Speaker 1: And now why didn't you cause a stink? Why don't
Speaker 1: you walk out on your tour potentially to get what
Speaker 1: you thought you deserved. No, I would never walk out
Speaker 1: on my tour, but that was a testy um. And
Speaker 1: I understand fighting for what you want, um. But like
Speaker 1: I said, I just as a woman, I also feel
Speaker 1: like if I want something, there's a certain way that
Speaker 1: I go about it. You know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 1: kind of just you gotta be tricky, You've gotta be
Speaker 1: a little nice, you know what I'm saying you might
Speaker 1: have to kiss them, but I don't know, you know, um,
Speaker 1: and I truly believe that, So I get it. Divas
Speaker 1: are divas, and I do believe there's a lot of
Speaker 1: divas in the NFL. But like I said, there's a
Speaker 1: way of going about it. I don't know if there's
Speaker 1: a diva quite like Antonio Brown, but you gotta deliver.
Speaker 1: If you're diva, you've got to deliver the talent. Like
Speaker 1: what are some of the like management troubles that you've
Speaker 1: had over the years where you've had to experience, you know,
Speaker 1: show some diva behavior. Oh um, it's more like green
Speaker 1: room diva behavior. Like when I get to the venue,
Speaker 1: I'm like, everybody is up and out of my green room.
Speaker 1: I don't really know you. I don't play well with others.
Speaker 1: Things like that. You know, you gotta have my veggie platter,
Speaker 1: my bove water. I've walked into venues and they not
Speaker 1: had water for me and I had to, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of get a little saddy. Um, no green eminem's
Speaker 1: every exactly. Things things like that. That's that's when the
Speaker 1: diva really kind of comes out as a very plugged
Speaker 1: in raiders fan. I guess my question is, you know,
Speaker 1: you're on the road a lot, but when you are
Speaker 1: home in Los Angeles or up in the Bay do
Speaker 1: you watch Do you go to watch games at a
Speaker 1: like a local sports bar with your contingent or do
Speaker 1: you do you just sit? I imagine you live in
Speaker 1: what would be like a small castle or something is that?
Speaker 1: Do you watch games at home? You live in California,
Speaker 1: you know what it would would cost to live in
Speaker 1: a small castle. I assume you have that kind of money.
Speaker 1: Um I have. There is a cute um sports bar
Speaker 1: near me on will Shure. That's very cute um. But
Speaker 1: you know, since I'm traveling a lot, Like Wednesday, I
Speaker 1: watched Hard Knocks um in San Antonio at the hotel.
Speaker 1: Look at you? How are you liking this Hard Knocks season?
Speaker 1: I I like it? I mean Derek Carr, he's looking
Speaker 1: real good. You know, I'm really excited for human Doss.
Speaker 1: I think, you know with this whole Antonio stuff going
Speaker 1: on that you know, it's it's dope for him because
Speaker 1: he gets a chance to kind of like prove himself
Speaker 1: and shine a little. And he's a Bay Area native.
Speaker 1: So I think that the ladies are gonna love him,
Speaker 1: and I think that it's just a dope psition for
Speaker 1: him to be in. That was one of my takeaways
Speaker 1: from Doss that you know, hard knocks always picks their
Speaker 1: underdogs that they get behind, and they'll track his journey.
Speaker 1: But John Gruden's head coach seemed equally hung up, not
Speaker 1: just on his ability on the field, but like how
Speaker 1: he does with women, and that seems it came up
Speaker 1: multiple times, and I just it gets a little weird
Speaker 1: after a while, doesn't it. But who doesn't love the ladies?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I mean more like I mean,
Speaker 1: like his fifty year old head coach keeps coming back
Speaker 1: to it. It's like, you know, stay out of his business.
Speaker 1: He said, you're in on Gooden though, right, You're you
Speaker 1: gotta be a Gooden fan? Are you talking to me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh yeah yeah. Sorry, I'm like me, I
Speaker 1: think that, you know, with all this stuff going on,
Speaker 1: it's it's funny to see for me because I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh diva, you know, and as a female fan, it's funny. Um.
Speaker 1: But it is causing some problems and it's causing some drama,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think there's more important things going on,
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't think it's making him look
Speaker 1: the best. And he's a good player, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and so I just feel like he needs
Speaker 1: to just chill a little, you know, and maybe figure
Speaker 1: out another way to go about this. I mean, one
Speaker 1: thought for you. You know you're up there, You're you're
Speaker 1: sort of one of the Raiders signature fans. You have
Speaker 1: a voice John Cruden, the coaches under contract for another
Speaker 1: ten years guaranteed, so there'll be some run on this.
Speaker 1: Why why not put together a kind of a Gruden
Speaker 1: anthem song the corner that market and just had that
Speaker 1: thing blasting at the stadium week at that's where the
Speaker 1: money would come from. I would totally be down to
Speaker 1: do that if I could, you know, get into games
Speaker 1: for free. Yeah, all right, we can maybe, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if we can. So we can't do anything.
Speaker 1: I don't think we can help them, but maybe we
Speaker 1: can somehow set you up with someone to talk to.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was big. I mean it's big for
Speaker 1: wes Khalifa black and yellow. You know, that could be
Speaker 1: a big, big move tied to the team right there.
Speaker 1: Let's a very solid point. Let's not ignore the you know,
Speaker 1: eight pound grille in the room. Though they're leaving your
Speaker 1: your town. Are you going to remain a Raiders fan
Speaker 1: when they go to Vegas? Well, I actually with currently
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, maybe a month ago, and um, I'm
Speaker 1: a I'm a Las Vegas fan. I like to do
Speaker 1: trashy things so that you know my side thing just
Speaker 1: like you. So I we drove into Vegas because I
Speaker 1: live in l A. And it's like three or four
Speaker 1: hours three if you're speeding, and um I got to
Speaker 1: drive by the stadium and it's very impressive as of
Speaker 1: right now. M So it sounds like you're in, You're in,
Speaker 1: I'm in. I'm in. You know I live in Vegas.
Speaker 1: I mean I live in l A. It's close to Vegas.
Speaker 1: Um it's sad. And I actually went to a game
Speaker 1: was at the beginning of this year or maybe the
Speaker 1: end of last year in Oakland. Um so I got
Speaker 1: to see the Raiders there. It was a really great experience.
Speaker 1: Um me and my home girls photo got to be
Speaker 1: up on the screen. You know. We did all like
Speaker 1: the hashtagging and all that kind of fun stuff. And
Speaker 1: I'm excited for them because I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: an improvement for them, and I think they're gonna be
Speaker 1: happy with the set up there. All right, Little Debbie,
Speaker 1: I mean, you've done it, you came, you've conquered, and
Speaker 1: you know this woman she releases music at the pace
Speaker 1: of Bob Dylan in the sixties. There's always new albums.
Speaker 1: But the latest is Bay Chronicles U. It's out right
Speaker 1: now and includes that single side ho oh yeah beautiful.
Speaker 1: Uh follow follow Little Debbie on Twitter at l one
Speaker 1: l Debbie. Uh. And you know, maybe next time you're
Speaker 1: on the show, come visit us in the studio again.
Speaker 1: I would love that. I would love to see all
Speaker 1: your faces. Awesome. We like the gift you gave us
Speaker 1: last time. I know that I first enjoyed itself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very good, All right, Little Debbie, thank you, Thank you
Speaker 1: for you guys. Enjoy your day a Little Debbie. She
Speaker 1: did it again. Delightful. She's the best. I forgot to
Speaker 1: ask one question in my notes that I for the
Speaker 1: listener to be honest, like there's been this It's been
Speaker 1: going on for a couple of years where people, some
Speaker 1: people conspiracy theorists believe that Little Debbie and tiny box.
Speaker 1: Colleen will for the same person, and I was going
Speaker 1: to get her just to comment on the fact that
Speaker 1: that's absolutely not true. Didn't get to it. The theories
Speaker 1: still live. Yeah, if you are among most people in
Speaker 1: that group, certainly you now saying it after the interviews
Speaker 1: over only fuels that fire and finally doing this thing. Well,
Speaker 1: that mean that's why they're a third time in the show.
Speaker 1: Fourth I think it's their um believe maybe one in
Speaker 1: person visit. We gotta get her in the studio next.
Speaker 1: Remember there was a delay last time because she had
Speaker 1: she had matters going on in the car and the
Speaker 1: parking lot she needed she the famous appearance. Yeah she
Speaker 1: had us. Yes, the car was parked, but there was
Speaker 1: action inside the car. I don't even know how to
Speaker 1: put it. All right, awesome, all right, everybody, have a
Speaker 1: great weekend. We'll be back next week. Or reminder the
Speaker 1: fantasy extravaganza with a big fish coming into the boat
Speaker 1: next Wednesday. No, Jerry Diddy, we're flying Pacivic wonder. I
Speaker 1: was ready to. I was going to serve my country
Speaker 1: just like if theyre you know, if we ever got
Speaker 1: our generation, we got very lucky. Let's face it. No,
Speaker 1: draft or anything. For wars Um, I would have been
Speaker 1: the first guy at the draft. Well, we don't know that.
Speaker 1: You can see that, I mean, yeah, you can enlist that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that's open and available. Because if you're if
Speaker 1: you're saying your first for the draft, that just means
Speaker 1: you left. But those are the real heroes. Those are
Speaker 1: the real brave guys. But I'm saying I'm I'm the
Speaker 1: next here, like I don't think have like, hey, I
Speaker 1: want to be the upper draft list. That just means
Speaker 1: you're entering the men and women that serve this country
Speaker 1: and they enlist. I have so much respect for them.
Speaker 1: They are true heroes. I mean, you're almost getting too old.
Speaker 1: You are not part of the conference. If you know,
Speaker 1: if you were making a power rankings on American heroism,
Speaker 1: I would never put myself in that group. But I'm
Speaker 1: right below that, nor would anyone else. You are not
Speaker 1: in the red rankings. You had a choice, could have
Speaker 1: made a career. You're ahead of your ahead of the
Speaker 1: first responders. You're ahead of like fireman, you're your head.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, I'm not ahead of them.
Speaker 1: That's a different power ranking. Is you're gonna I'm ahead
Speaker 1: of you guys, is all I'm saying. No, that is
Speaker 1: also at is You're gonna walk you down to the
Speaker 1: recruiting All you guys are halfway to Canada, and I'm
Speaker 1: right there talking to Uncle Sam. I mean of talking
Speaker 1: of there is a part of being a hero. That
Speaker 1: said it right. She has to, she says, she has to,
Speaker 1: you know, moving all aspects of self promotion. Would we
Speaker 1: would be one way to be a here row in
Speaker 1: a bit countercultural. Today you're instead, you're telling us how
Speaker 1: fantastic you are. Give me a break. I'd be there
Speaker 1: first in line. Was that a shot at cameo? No
Speaker 1: it was not. I'm going to be a proud member
Speaker 1: of Cana. All right, everybody, wherever you are, Canada, the
Speaker 1: United States, the UK, Australia, listeners all over the world,
Speaker 1: have a great weekend. Stan Hands a signing off or
Speaker 1: Quiet Storm, The Mailman, The Old Boss, Little Debbie and
Speaker 1: Rick Hollywood Behind the Glass till Monday,