Speaker 1: Ladies and gentleman, Welcome to the ten annual Around the
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Speaker 1: What has happen? Finally, Adam Rank has come back to
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Speaker 1: and I'm I'm happy to be here. First of all,
Speaker 1: I do like that Evan Silva is the headliner. Like
Speaker 1: he's blink two, I'm some forty one. Here's the opening.
Speaker 1: You're short yourself a little bit there. You know I'm
Speaker 1: gonna come out. You're bringing the Rank amateurs to the
Speaker 1: same But when we welcome all of them, the Rank amateurs,
Speaker 1: the rank and file. They're not. No, I'm here trying
Speaker 1: to cloud chase off of your audience. This is where
Speaker 1: I'm coming to pitch. This is where I got because
Speaker 1: everyone's like, hey, do you want to come on the
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Speaker 1: should also mention Mark Sessler's here. He's actually not in
Speaker 1: the physical studio, Marks behind the glass, because how are you? Mark?
Speaker 1: Doing pretty good? Yeah, I I've never actually enjoyed the show.
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Speaker 1: very nice little murky glass could use a cleaning. And
Speaker 1: as you know that Ricky, it's daunting sitting in his seat,
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Speaker 1: did you say, Ricky, you gotta get Star, gotta start
Speaker 1: cleaning the glass now, to top of everything else I do,
Speaker 1: jeez ri Um Mark, yes, you're also here. And as
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Speaker 1: know that Mark is always the guy we throw to
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Speaker 1: it's very dangerous on the corner. So Mark, I imagine
Speaker 1: you've um kissed your your wife and your children goodbye.
Speaker 1: You've tied up loose ends as you head back to
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Speaker 1: But um, I'm hoping that some distance will create a
Speaker 1: little bit more um need and attraction. All right, well,
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Speaker 1: thank you a little bit, all right now, Rank, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite Adam Rank, bangers is unpopular opinion
Speaker 1: with Adam Rank. So what we're gonna do here, We're
Speaker 1: gonna go through all sorts of fantasy angles as your
Speaker 1: draft is hopefully right around the corner now with the
Speaker 1: third preseason game coming up in a third week of
Speaker 1: preseason coming up in a few days. Um, so with Rank,
Speaker 1: we figured unpopular opinions. Rank will throw out some the
Speaker 1: brick by brick guys, the bricklayers I call him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll toss in some uh and maybe one out of
Speaker 1: twenties us Or will throw in one of his own.
Speaker 1: But let's start with Rank. And your name is not
Speaker 1: pronounced hands zeus, No, it's us. Yes, So wouldn't you
Speaker 1: be the Zusser you could? Now you've said that, and
Speaker 1: I've always appreciated, appreciated that because Danna Check falsely put
Speaker 1: it out there that it was hands jeus. But I've
Speaker 1: been getting that my whole life. Right of course a
Speaker 1: certain point, just say you roll with it. I understand
Speaker 1: you could call me the old Zuster if you, if
Speaker 1: you please, helps what doesn't have this with branding? You know,
Speaker 1: one of our listeners made little drawings and it's got
Speaker 1: you know, Dan dressed up as Zeus Lightning Bolt and
Speaker 1: all that. That's fun. We have the abilitis doesn't live
Speaker 1: on top of Mount Olympus, but we can create our
Speaker 1: own backstory. It's like it's like it's like flashpoint where
Speaker 1: you go back in time and reverse back to the
Speaker 1: future and then everything changes. Now he's the Zusster. I
Speaker 1: feel I don't like how this is Year of the Fantasy.
Speaker 1: It's amazing two decades run, it's been I sent a
Speaker 1: potential Mr. Destiny scenario rolling out where if I tried
Speaker 1: to push old Zusser, I'd be living at home in
Speaker 1: my parents basement or something. And during jet season ticket
Speaker 1: holder still wearing the same Richard Todd Jersey from when
Speaker 1: you were a child, with like seven How do you
Speaker 1: like them going back to their Richard Todd Jersey's I
Speaker 1: think they've really pulled off something at him and that
Speaker 1: they've been able to match what I liked about the eighties.
Speaker 1: Look the pop of the colors, with the turned back
Speaker 1: to the future Bill Parcels era name it there. I
Speaker 1: think they've done a nice job with it. Um. If
Speaker 1: Mark wasn't on his way to the corner, he would
Speaker 1: counter that he thinks that helmets are too glossy, there's
Speaker 1: too much shine to him. I understand that, but on balance,
Speaker 1: I give it a hard eight out of ten. I
Speaker 1: really like the new I'm a nine. I love that.
Speaker 1: I think it looks sharp, especially now that we've seen
Speaker 1: it in action during preseason. Looks good, stands out striking. Okay,
Speaker 1: unpopular opinions with Adam Rank Let's do something fantasy style
Speaker 1: throwing out there at him. You know. One of the
Speaker 1: things that I've done, if you're in the last half
Speaker 1: of the first round, I have now really enjoyed taking
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey in about the one oh nine spot, and
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that I think what a
Speaker 1: lot of people will do when they approach it. And
Speaker 1: Graham Barfield, our Fantasy managing editor, and I were talking
Speaker 1: about this. He was sitting there saying, oh, I hope
Speaker 1: that Travis Kelsey falls to me in the second I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take Julio or Michael Thomas or somebody like that.
Speaker 1: My contention was, instead of doing that, instead of hoping
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey falls to you, you go out and you
Speaker 1: grab him, and then in the in the second round,
Speaker 1: when your pick comes around, you can still get a
Speaker 1: top flight receiver like Mike Evans, Juju Smith Schuster, and
Speaker 1: there you can kind of build your roster from that
Speaker 1: spot and go forward. And as a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: in Fantasy League one, which Ricky Hollywood and I participated in,
Speaker 1: we'll be putting that over at great length. This is
Speaker 1: like an NFL Media NFL Media creation. It's part of
Speaker 1: the All New Fantasy app. If you have enjoyed our
Speaker 1: Fantasy app in the I can't imagine that you did,
Speaker 1: because it it needed some improvements. We went out we
Speaker 1: made those inments. I'm gonna be fair. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: sit here and and snow the a t N audience.
Speaker 1: They're far too sharp for that. We can get stuff
Speaker 1: over on the NFL Fantasy audience. They're whatever. They're like
Speaker 1: circus seals. We're just throwing them fish. You know, we
Speaker 1: share a lot of the listeners, but they wouldn't be careful.
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's the case. I'm teasing. I
Speaker 1: love everybody, the Circus Seals, I love everybody. The thing
Speaker 1: is with the All New NFL Fantasy App, it's the
Speaker 1: experience is amazing and league Fantasy League one will be
Speaker 1: a part of it. I took Travis Kelsey there at
Speaker 1: one oh nine, and I feel great about it, even
Speaker 1: though I've been besmirched and harangued on the internet. Well,
Speaker 1: I think one reason why it's unpopular, I think because
Speaker 1: there's not to me as big a gap at tight
Speaker 1: end as as some years where maybe Gronk was way
Speaker 1: ahead of the pack. I don't see a huge difference
Speaker 1: between Kelsey and Kittle and Arts, and then the next
Speaker 1: group is so nice and deep and and and fine
Speaker 1: for me that it doesn't seem worth for the For
Speaker 1: the record, according to our NFL Fantasy app, which has
Speaker 1: really gotten a pretty facelift, I will say Kelsey is
Speaker 1: going around pick sixteen, so he's a second round guy.
Speaker 1: So it's not a huge reach to go get him
Speaker 1: if you're picking let's say tenth in your league. But
Speaker 1: it is it is a reach. It is a reach,
Speaker 1: and you also have to know who's in your draft
Speaker 1: with you, because Graham was behind me, and I knew
Speaker 1: that if I missed out, he was not coming back around.
Speaker 1: I think that when you look at it, Kelsey has
Speaker 1: been the top scorer amongst fantasy tight ends the last
Speaker 1: three years. That trend is going to absolutely continue. He
Speaker 1: is the most consistent one. I think that zach Ertz
Speaker 1: could have a little bit of a regression this year
Speaker 1: because Dallas Goddard, we'll start getting more into the mix.
Speaker 1: Alshon Jeffrey's healthy, They added Miles Sanders. I think there's
Speaker 1: a there's a possibility for a little bit, not much,
Speaker 1: but I think that Kelsey and Kittle are closer to
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry and O. J. Howard than they are to
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey. So I jump in for right give us
Speaker 1: another unpopular wait, hold on less. I was just gonna
Speaker 1: say I agree with you and that if you have
Speaker 1: a strong opinion, go with it. Go with your feeling
Speaker 1: if it's very strong. And I don't forget consensus. I
Speaker 1: hate consensus. Just go with the guy you want. But
Speaker 1: I also agree with Greg there's a very attractive group
Speaker 1: of value plays at tight end this year. There is,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to be willing to make sure
Speaker 1: that you're targeting the right running backs in rounds three, four,
Speaker 1: and five. You gotta make sure you're not You're not
Speaker 1: drafting a quarterback to the double digit rounds. But then
Speaker 1: even if the double digit round, you can end up
Speaker 1: grabbing somebody like Lamar Jackson, who before the show started
Speaker 1: we talked about his first two games out of the gate,
Speaker 1: or Miami and Arizona. You could also grab Ben Roethlisberger.
Speaker 1: But there's there's a lot of value out there at
Speaker 1: the quarterback position. So you just have to be really
Speaker 1: confident in your overall plan. It's not something that you
Speaker 1: walk in and be like, I'll do this as a
Speaker 1: last minute thing. You got to really have it prepared,
Speaker 1: all right, give us another unpopular opinion. You know what,
Speaker 1: I really believe that Antonio Brown is gonna be fine
Speaker 1: for the Raiders, And I know that everybody is making
Speaker 1: a huge about the helmet and everything. He knows how
Speaker 1: but his a DP is now sliding into the third round,
Speaker 1: and I just don't get it. He is he's he
Speaker 1: did not forget how to play football because he spent
Speaker 1: the past two weeks arguing about his helmet. He is
Speaker 1: still a very good player and he's going to a team.
Speaker 1: Everybody acts like Derek Carr is some scrub of a quarterback.
Speaker 1: He's not too far removed from his two thousand sixteen
Speaker 1: season when he put up m v P type numbers,
Speaker 1: and so I look at the situation that it walks
Speaker 1: with you and the overall construction of this team. You
Speaker 1: bring in Tyrolle Williams to be the deep threat, You've
Speaker 1: draft Josh Jacobs, and now you add Antonio Brown. I
Speaker 1: liken it to what happened when Jerry Rice joined the
Speaker 1: Raiders back in the day and Jon Gruden's first stint
Speaker 1: with the team, Rich Gannon all of a sudden becomes
Speaker 1: an m VP candidate. I think that Antonio Brown is
Speaker 1: gonna go out there and have another lights out season,
Speaker 1: and you look at it's it's not too hard for
Speaker 1: these guys to make an immediate name. Look at look
Speaker 1: at what a Marii Cooper did last year when he
Speaker 1: went to the Cowboys. He he joined that team midseason
Speaker 1: and instantly made him better. And Antonio Brown is gonna
Speaker 1: do the same thing. So anybody who's passing on him, well,
Speaker 1: look the fool You know, I watched wrote on Hard
Speaker 1: Knocks that wrote the latest episode recap and it was
Speaker 1: all about Brown and they did a really good job
Speaker 1: digging into what's going on there right now. And I agree,
Speaker 1: and um, you know what, it seems like things are
Speaker 1: gonna be okay there. It seems like the feet it's
Speaker 1: not gonna be an issue. He said there's a little
Speaker 1: burning when he runs and he has to sometimes take
Speaker 1: his shoes off. But that's all trending in the right direction.
Speaker 1: And I think the relationship between Gruden and Brown is
Speaker 1: really strong, and I think he's gonna be on the
Speaker 1: field week one. So people that are avoiding Brown because
Speaker 1: they think this helmet thing is going to carry over,
Speaker 1: I understand your trepidation and stay away if you want,
Speaker 1: but I think there's a much better chance he's playing
Speaker 1: starting week one. I'm avoiding him. I would not draft
Speaker 1: this guy at all where he's being taken, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't have anything to do with the helmet or the feat.
Speaker 1: He's sort of the bizarre Derek Carr is the bizarro
Speaker 1: Big Ben. He doesn't take chances down the field. He's
Speaker 1: afraid to hold the ball and wait for a big
Speaker 1: later happened. Uh. He doesn't specialize in broken plays. He
Speaker 1: and Ben and Ab had years to developed chemistry. And
Speaker 1: now we're gonna put him in with Derek Carr, who
Speaker 1: to me is just the opposite of Big. He is
Speaker 1: a little bit and maybe that's why he doesn't get
Speaker 1: eighteen hundred yards this year, but I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: he didn't get eight hundred last year, not even close.
Speaker 1: I I don't. I wouldn't be surprised if Antonio Brown is,
Speaker 1: you know, wide receiver one by the end of the year,
Speaker 1: top two or three, because they're gonna throw it to
Speaker 1: him a hundred and eight times. They're just gonna force it,
Speaker 1: and you're right, it's gonna be nine eight yard passes.
Speaker 1: But Antonio Brown can make place on his own and
Speaker 1: often pr Yeah, exactly with a terrible defense. So it's
Speaker 1: like they're gonna just be throwing the ball to Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown like more than they should probably and just they're
Speaker 1: gonna to him. They're gonna be in a lot of
Speaker 1: deficits where they're gonna have to be forcing forcing the
Speaker 1: ball to Antonio Brown. He's their best player. He comes
Speaker 1: in and gets all the target image. I'd only take
Speaker 1: a couple maybe two receivers ahead of him, Oh, Julio
Speaker 1: and uh thinking Michael Thomas, which I'm just gonna go
Speaker 1: right into my poppy opinion because it's about those two,
Speaker 1: which is basically I did take a look at the
Speaker 1: average draft position that's not a big thing. I don't
Speaker 1: think people should be afraid to just take those two,
Speaker 1: especially in my mind with the fifth or six pick,
Speaker 1: like I would be. I would much rat like every
Speaker 1: year we see this that running backs go the first
Speaker 1: seven or eight or there's gonna be nine or ten
Speaker 1: in the first round, and four or five of those
Speaker 1: end up being problems when you've got just certainty, certain
Speaker 1: big numbers of Hall of Fame type guys in the
Speaker 1: middle of their prime, in Michael Thomas especially, but I
Speaker 1: would put Julio in that group to where it's just
Speaker 1: they're coming down with nine hundred catches, they're filling up
Speaker 1: the statuets every week, and they're still running backs available
Speaker 1: in the third or fourth round that I like, and
Speaker 1: so I once you get past about four running backtors,
Speaker 1: so I'm taking those two guys. That's fair. Anybody disagree
Speaker 1: with that? No, not at all. Let's check in, by
Speaker 1: the way, let's head over to the I guess it
Speaker 1: wasn't that unpopular, a little bit popular. It doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like it happen. There were there are a lot of
Speaker 1: fantasy people who love the running back. And if you
Speaker 1: like Hopkins better or you you know I could see
Speaker 1: that or whoever you like better. But those two for
Speaker 1: me are just money in the bank, A minus twelfth overall,
Speaker 1: who cares. There's no risk. You like it? If five
Speaker 1: or six, you'll take them with five or six. Let's
Speaker 1: head to the Fantasy Corner. Mark Sessler. Very bad neighborhood
Speaker 1: as we know. Let's see Mark you there. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: what's up? We're wait a second, where are you? Well?
Speaker 1: I'll let you know where I am. You know, as
Speaker 1: you can see, I think as you can hear. The
Speaker 1: Fantasy Corner has polished up its image just a bit. Uh.
Speaker 1: The opiate salesman in the race track heavies have been
Speaker 1: replaced by fresh faced young entrepreneurs. Why just before the show,
Speaker 1: Rick Hollywood and I dined on forty five plates of
Speaker 1: probiotic confused pancakes right here at the Rumper, a delightful
Speaker 1: new David Eli owned eatery, as an example of how
Speaker 1: the neighborhood has changed. This same spot right here once
Speaker 1: served as a low rent storefront selling US ladies clothing
Speaker 1: and horse whips while churning out about a hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty gallons of a legal whiskey per week. What spurned
Speaker 1: this uptick, you ask, well, I'm here with impressive five
Speaker 1: year old urban developer Emery Saxon Bill to find out, Emory,
Speaker 1: how exactly did you rid the streets of so many
Speaker 1: untoward elements and devil make hare thugs to pave the
Speaker 1: way for the changes that we're seeing here in the
Speaker 1: whoa what so it looks like the gentrifying hasn't totally
Speaker 1: taken over some gentrification but um well, let's get back
Speaker 1: on track. We'll check it. It's a few blocks. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's always an issue. It's like the people who have
Speaker 1: been there for a while, they're going to class with
Speaker 1: the hipstairs that are could want to go get your
Speaker 1: avocado avocado toast someplace, but you make the wrong turn
Speaker 1: out of that eatery and all of us. As as
Speaker 1: a former Hoboken, New Jersey resident, I can tell you
Speaker 1: the gentrification process does lead to clashing. Well, you don't
Speaker 1: want you don't want premature gentrification. Never, no, never never never. Okay, West,
Speaker 1: do you have an unpopular opinion you'd like to share?
Speaker 1: I do uh stop using total fantasy points from the
Speaker 1: previous season to prove that the guy you want is
Speaker 1: a great value David Johnson of the Cardinals is a
Speaker 1: prime example. I heard another fantasy analysts this week say
Speaker 1: he finished ninth overall at running back last year. It
Speaker 1: wasn't even a bag year. Stop stop, what you're doing
Speaker 1: right now is Matt Berry. Everybody never use end of
Speaker 1: the year. It was Matt Barry, who was a heck
Speaker 1: of a nice guy, and I like him analyst, but
Speaker 1: he knows what he's doing because he writes a whole
Speaker 1: article on misusing stats. Look the end you should you
Speaker 1: want a week to week advantage in fantasy football, that's
Speaker 1: all that matters. This guy gets artifully, artificially inflated numbers
Speaker 1: by at the end of the year because better we'll
Speaker 1: not better, but more productive running backs fall by the
Speaker 1: wayside when they get injured. So a guy who's been
Speaker 1: mediocre guy week to week all year has inflated stats
Speaker 1: by the end of the year, just stopped doing it.
Speaker 1: That's my unpopular opinion. And I know he yeah, he
Speaker 1: finished top ten ultimately, But show me one David Johnson
Speaker 1: owner from last year that won his league. David Johnson
Speaker 1: was a key player on his roster. Just I speak
Speaker 1: from experience. Actually, it's just he was a guy that
Speaker 1: because that offense was so overmatched and because the team
Speaker 1: is so bad, he's still because he would catch the
Speaker 1: ball and they'd give the ball a lot. He'd give
Speaker 1: you, you you know, ten twelve points. But he was not
Speaker 1: anybody that was a game change, and you're looking for
Speaker 1: game changes where you're taking to David Johnson, Fantasy sports
Speaker 1: are have always been, it will always be about the
Speaker 1: difference makers in the game changers. That is true. But
Speaker 1: I think what Matthews point is, because I kind of
Speaker 1: I'm kind of on board with him, is that you
Speaker 1: could count on him week to week. I didn't kill
Speaker 1: you if you didn't win your league. He wasn't really
Speaker 1: the biggest reason why he didn't totally assassin. He's a mediocrity.
Speaker 1: I don't want on my fantasy team. Yeah, but if
Speaker 1: he if you ended up picking up some if you
Speaker 1: picked up Damian Williams, Nick chop In, Philip Lindsay and
Speaker 1: David Johnson was acting as your flex, that was fine.
Speaker 1: That's my that's my point. You can pick guys off
Speaker 1: the waiver wire who outscored him. I don't like the
Speaker 1: show I have David Johnson and Zach Ert. We're talking
Speaker 1: about last year, though, David Johnson this year, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We like him this year. He I understand what announcing
Speaker 1: your pocket? I don't know. That's another unpopular opinion, but
Speaker 1: I save that one that you shouldn't keep mount Mice
Speaker 1: in your pocket. I mean, I'm against it. There the
Speaker 1: God's creatures. There is way too much inherent trust in
Speaker 1: Arizona's offense. Maybe they have a high ceiling. They probably do,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna need a canary in the coal mine
Speaker 1: to withstand the depths of that floor. I'm with you.
Speaker 1: My thing with Johnson is just he's another year away
Speaker 1: in a bet in a in what that was the
Speaker 1: lowest ranked offense by d v O A and football
Speaker 1: titors in almost league history. The same people. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: David Johnson, is it someone that you've loved in the past.
Speaker 1: I just think he'll return more to form for there
Speaker 1: with some of my better real life than fantasy team. Alright,
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks knew they've made some changes on the offensive
Speaker 1: line at Cliff Kingsbury's there. And one of the things
Speaker 1: that made Cliff Kingsbury a success, and you can say
Speaker 1: relative success because in college football, Texas Tech was not
Speaker 1: winning national championships. But you're not winning national championships and love.
Speaker 1: That's just not gonna happen. One of the things that
Speaker 1: we really liked about You can win games, though, and
Speaker 1: you can win Many coaches did that better than Cliff Kingsbury.
Speaker 1: It's worth it's worth pointing out. But what we look
Speaker 1: at offense, but like my Mike Leech offense, and this
Speaker 1: is one of the things that trickled down to Cliff
Speaker 1: Kingsbury is that the Red Raiders were six in the
Speaker 1: n c a A and throwing the ball to the
Speaker 1: running backs on early downs. And of course the teams
Speaker 1: that were ahead of them, Mike Leach at Washington State,
Speaker 1: Dale Holgerstrom and West Virginia teams like that who come
Speaker 1: from that coaching treat So that's what we really like
Speaker 1: about David Johnson is that when you have an offensive
Speaker 1: line that's not good, the best way to combat that
Speaker 1: is to get the ball into the hands of your
Speaker 1: playmakers really quick. And I think that they're going to
Speaker 1: design more passing plays, especially on early downs for David Johnson.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, guys, I'm nervous as heck about Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: who last time we heard from them there was just
Speaker 1: a massive explosion. Mark, are you there, guys? I am here,
Speaker 1: and uh Dan, I I appreciate your concern. I would
Speaker 1: remind all four of you that we are we're did
Speaker 1: gym here, We're in Quinnox Gym. We're a resilient community.
Speaker 1: And I'm over here working on some single arm dumbell
Speaker 1: rows some hex bar dead lips, and while you clowns
Speaker 1: operate vicariously trying to tell your friends to buy you
Speaker 1: a strawberry ice cream because you pick seven football players correctly,
Speaker 1: I'm over here turning my physical form into electricity. All right,
Speaker 1: Well he's okay, after the way he was talking to us,
Speaker 1: I don't really care anymore. But life is good for
Speaker 1: Mark right now. Adam rank one more popular opinion. I
Speaker 1: want to do. I want to build on because I
Speaker 1: wanted to stump for David Montgomery. But that's so here's
Speaker 1: my end popular opinion. All you're stumping is actually, you know,
Speaker 1: raised his value so high that he's no longer even
Speaker 1: a good value. That's been terrible. Well, you know, Matt
Speaker 1: Nagy's going out and combating that today too, by saying
Speaker 1: the fantasy hype. It's like, okay, now he's like a
Speaker 1: third round page. It's like, I'm not that excited about him. No,
Speaker 1: that's definitely the case. You know who, I really liked that.
Speaker 1: I think that Duke Johnson is a nice fit. I
Speaker 1: think that that. I know a lot of people will
Speaker 1: point to Deshaun Watson like, well, he's never thrown to
Speaker 1: his running back because he didn't have a he didn't
Speaker 1: have a never running back like that before. Like it's
Speaker 1: like I never drove until I had a car, Like
Speaker 1: I get it, Like that's this is Yeah, he now
Speaker 1: has a running back. He can throw the ball too.
Speaker 1: And I think that with Will Fuller, until he comes
Speaker 1: back and shows that he's completely healed from his knee injury,
Speaker 1: that Duke Johnson could end up being their number two
Speaker 1: receiving options. So I love that all days and I'm
Speaker 1: all about this talent over getting even crazy with the situation.
Speaker 1: He's a better player than Lamar Miller in the end.
Speaker 1: I think he'll end up with more touches and more
Speaker 1: yards and l Miller. We have talked at length on
Speaker 1: the show about the weakness of the Texans offensive line.
Speaker 1: Do we worry about that? But that's again what one
Speaker 1: of the best ways to combat the Texans offensive line
Speaker 1: is number one, you had a bad offensive line. Number two,
Speaker 1: you had Deshaun Watson holding the ball way too long.
Speaker 1: If you have a running back that you can get
Speaker 1: the ball to, you have that safety valve that is
Speaker 1: going to help improve all fastest of that um Before
Speaker 1: you go rag, yes, sir, who's some brand names out
Speaker 1: there who are kind of oddly cheap right now? The
Speaker 1: guys that in the past have been first round guys,
Speaker 1: high second round guys, they've been dropping yet they might
Speaker 1: end up giving you elite production. Who's some guys that
Speaker 1: jump out for you. You You know one guy I would
Speaker 1: say that he's not necessarily a brand name, but somebody
Speaker 1: who was a starter last year that everybody was trying
Speaker 1: to fade during the off season. But now look, he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a number one running back. Chris Carson. That
Speaker 1: situation in Seattle, they run the ball almost more than
Speaker 1: anybody love it, and everybody wanted to put Rashant Penny
Speaker 1: up on a pedestal and say no, they used the
Speaker 1: first round pick on this guy. Chris Carson has been
Speaker 1: the best back there. He will be the best running
Speaker 1: back in if you get him in the third round.
Speaker 1: That is somebody again, like when we're talking about ignoring
Speaker 1: some of those early running backs in the first round
Speaker 1: and you want to wait and go and get your
Speaker 1: get your running backs in the third, fourth round. You
Speaker 1: can get Chris Carson, maybe David Montgomery if you're if
Speaker 1: you're if you're lucky, and another guy too whose value
Speaker 1: is really starting to rise as Lottavius Murray that as
Speaker 1: more leaps switch two pp. I just vomited on this.
Speaker 1: You don't like I vomited to He's got a role though,
Speaker 1: he's got That's This is the type of thing where
Speaker 1: I think fantasy drafters always get into trouble is looking
Speaker 1: at the role in the situations. Murray is not that good.
Speaker 1: He's being drafted as if he's not Littavias. He's like,
Speaker 1: he's like a poor man's Lamar Miller. He's just not
Speaker 1: that good. I mean, he's gonna get goal line carries, right,
Speaker 1: He's gonna have you know, who's one of the best
Speaker 1: goal line backs in the NFL. He like that. It's
Speaker 1: proven he's a better goal line back than Ottavius Merchany, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're not drafting Lottavias Murray in the first round. You're
Speaker 1: getting him in the seventh or eighth. Flex guy, I'm in.
Speaker 1: I saw where burning your pick. I like the Chris
Speaker 1: Carson against that. I've got a running back. He's on
Speaker 1: my stay away Evan Silverlan for the second time in
Speaker 1: three years, my answer to this question is DeVante Freeman.
Speaker 1: I have no idea why this guy is going behind
Speaker 1: some of the guys he's going behind. Who's going to
Speaker 1: challenge Freeman for? How dare you besmirch Edo Smith like that? Well,
Speaker 1: this is where people. People will get too excited or
Speaker 1: get put too much into what was his final fantasy
Speaker 1: point total the year before. All those jokers that you
Speaker 1: can take advantage of in your league, they'll overlook a
Speaker 1: guy like Freeman, a good football player on a great offense.
Speaker 1: Draft DeVante Freeman. T Y Hilton is one big name
Speaker 1: that I'm shocked is going late as he is. He's
Speaker 1: another guy like whatever the odds are, well, we can't
Speaker 1: do that. You know, he's the guy who could lead
Speaker 1: the league and receive Hollywood. I'm I'm expecting t Y
Speaker 1: Hilton to go crazy and then mark ingram in that
Speaker 1: he's a big name, but I'm kind of surprised that
Speaker 1: people aren't just like, way too excited about marketing. If
Speaker 1: Gus Edwards can be a top five running back in
Speaker 1: yards after Lamar takes over, right, why can't mark Ingram
Speaker 1: that they have a crowded backfield. But he's the least
Speaker 1: guy and he's the best player, and it seems like
Speaker 1: they want him to be tackles last week that marking
Speaker 1: two of them, the two of them nice look Ingram. Still,
Speaker 1: I think he's shown that he can play with somebody
Speaker 1: who is a dynamic playmaker and still go out there
Speaker 1: and carve a pretty good role. People still sleeping up
Speaker 1: to Sean Jackson, What oh yeah, I'll throw out all
Speaker 1: the Rams receivers. By the way you're going, Brendon, Cooks
Speaker 1: and Woods are going in the same area in the
Speaker 1: fifth round, Cup coming off the a c L is
Speaker 1: going a little bit later, But I don't know those guys.
Speaker 1: You can kind of put it in the bank. I
Speaker 1: feel like that Cooks and Woods especially both of them
Speaker 1: really are gonna bed guys and have score touchdowns and
Speaker 1: catch up all Ton for sure coming back. Really, I
Speaker 1: feel like he's going way too high. Surgery week six,
Speaker 1: when he was healthy. He was the wide receiver too,
Speaker 1: and if he started off the season on the pup list,
Speaker 1: I would be with you. I'd be like I would
Speaker 1: be a little bit more concerned. But I think that
Speaker 1: what we've seen so far in the preseason, I'm ready
Speaker 1: to take him in the fifth round, all right, Adam Rank,
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Around the NFL podcast. Thanks so
Speaker 1: much for having me. Bat guys, you know Rosenthal Westerman,
Speaker 1: You guys crushed the Rich Eisen interview. That was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And Ricky and Zuser. You guys are doing a great
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Speaker 1: having all right, Evan, listen, you're the big fish for
Speaker 1: a reason. I mean, before we get into the fantasy stuff,
Speaker 1: you want to just tell us a little bit about
Speaker 1: to stop establish the run and and what this is
Speaker 1: all about, how it's gonna be different, how it's gonna
Speaker 1: be the same. Get your plug in. Yeah, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: you know you guys are all subscribers. You guys all
Speaker 1: have access to everything that we're gonna be doing. My
Speaker 1: matchup column, a weekly breakdown of every single UH Fantasy
Speaker 1: relevant player in every game, is going to be available
Speaker 1: on there. We're using a lot of a lot more
Speaker 1: data analysis this year with Pat Thorman, who projects snaps
Speaker 1: and pace for each NFL team each week, and also
Speaker 1: Josh Hermsmeyer, one of the foremost data analysts in media
Speaker 1: right now. He has an air yards by Low model
Speaker 1: that tells you that pinpoints receivers on a weekly basis,
Speaker 1: which is the most difficult position to project in fantasy. Um,
Speaker 1: you're trying to make people money in DFS. I'm smelling
Speaker 1: you're trying to make some money pinpoint receivers that are
Speaker 1: likely to regress back towards the mean um on a
Speaker 1: week to week basis. So just and we're gonna do
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Speaker 1: it's a comprehensive fantasy football website. Whether you play season long, daily, fantasy,
Speaker 1: best ball, dynasty, we cover it all. When this site
Speaker 1: takes off and goes next level, I'm sure it already
Speaker 1: is doing very well. But when it goes next level
Speaker 1: and you're really deep in the black, that's when we
Speaker 1: get set up a real um a war between the
Speaker 1: NFL media and establish a run over our podcast. You
Speaker 1: bring us over, pay us a hefty sum, and then
Speaker 1: we fly. Yeah, I mean we're we're looking for extra
Speaker 1: town at all time. And your podcast host that there
Speaker 1: is do sir. So we'd be loving be able to
Speaker 1: steal you from the big corporation that you know that.
Speaker 1: That's that's uh sucking your blood right now? Very good?
Speaker 1: All right? Having so one of your pieces many pieces
Speaker 1: uh un established the run uh the shy away thirty
Speaker 1: love this uh and the title you should be able
Speaker 1: to forge out what that means. It's the guys that
Speaker 1: Evan Silva Fantasy genius I'd like to shy away from,
Speaker 1: and it's suggesting you may do it to uh come
Speaker 1: draft day. Who's a guy? Where do you want to
Speaker 1: start with this? Who's a guy that jumps out on
Speaker 1: you when it comes to shy away from this man?
Speaker 1: And it's going to expand to the shy away forty
Speaker 1: after the third preseason game. But I wanted to get
Speaker 1: thirty guys out early because there was enough interest in
Speaker 1: the column that and there's enough drafts going on this
Speaker 1: weekend that people are asking me for it. But the
Speaker 1: number one guy on the list right now is Antonio Brown.
Speaker 1: Average draft position has stayed inside the top ten receivers
Speaker 1: despite this strange foot infection thing, the helmet situation that
Speaker 1: has cost him all but thirty minutes of training camp
Speaker 1: so far. His extended absence from practice has prevented him
Speaker 1: from building any kind of rapport on the field with
Speaker 1: Derek Carr. And you know, he's talking, he's been talking
Speaker 1: about retirement since March. You know, do you want to
Speaker 1: use your second round pick on a guy that has
Speaker 1: spoken about retirement repeatedly for several several months, you know, Uh?
Speaker 1: And then last year on the field, last year he
Speaker 1: had seven year lows and yards per target and yards
Speaker 1: per route run. Uh. He scored a career high fifteen touchdowns,
Speaker 1: so he showed signs of regression on the field, and
Speaker 1: he um also is probably gonna progress towards the mean
Speaker 1: in terms of his touchdown count. And I think he's
Speaker 1: really severely downgrade quarterback play from Ben Roethlisberger to Derek Collin.
Speaker 1: What about what he said on Hard Knocks last night,
Speaker 1: Men lie, women lie. Analytics don't m Well, the analytics
Speaker 1: are not in his favor because I guess it depends
Speaker 1: what you're looking at. Really, I mean, Matt Harmon's you know,
Speaker 1: still has him like in terms of getting open and
Speaker 1: everything is like now he's no longer the number one
Speaker 1: guy every year, but he's the top five guy. So
Speaker 1: and to me watching him last year, I didn't I
Speaker 1: just didn't think he had fallen off much. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: off the elite level, but we already talked about him
Speaker 1: with Adam Rank, So Chris and and Silva are AUNTI,
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown, me Rank and hands as a pro he's
Speaker 1: gonna being I mean, he's not to see who the
Speaker 1: real brick by brick players are. Yeah, well that's a
Speaker 1: great I love tracking. This will be a great battle.
Speaker 1: But like for instance, my draft is on Monday, no
Speaker 1: one cares. But I'll tell you this when Antonio Brown
Speaker 1: is staring at me when I'm late in the second round. Hey,
Speaker 1: enjoy the enjoy the ride, well speaking enjoying the ride.
Speaker 1: And I bet that west Wing would would be to
Speaker 1: speak on this even more eloquently than than I will
Speaker 1: be able to. But you know this is not going
Speaker 1: to be a good Raiders team this year and all likelihood,
Speaker 1: I mean they're win their win total is right around
Speaker 1: six six and a half. Sports books are like begging
Speaker 1: people to bet the over. No one wants to bet
Speaker 1: the over because they know they're gonna be bad. And
Speaker 1: so what how how sold out to play for the
Speaker 1: Raiders weekend and week out? Is Antonio Brown gonna be
Speaker 1: when they're like one in six, you know, entering week eight,
Speaker 1: and you have Josh Jacobs, the rookie running back, also
Speaker 1: on your list of players to stay away from. I
Speaker 1: guess it's all tied into that as well, isn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course it is. And you know this is another
Speaker 1: guy who's ADP has stubbornly stayed inside inside the top
Speaker 1: twenty running backs. The Raiders have already lost their left
Speaker 1: guard Richie Incognito to a two game suspension. Who knows
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen with Richie Incognito on a week to
Speaker 1: week basis after he becomes eligible again. They lost their
Speaker 1: right guard Gabe Jackson to a torn mc L that's
Speaker 1: gonna cost him at least the first month of the season.
Speaker 1: I think that Antoni, around as the most dynamic player
Speaker 1: in the offense, has already caused a major distraction. And
Speaker 1: I think that Jalen Richard, if you're gonna take a
Speaker 1: running back on the Raiders, you take Jalen Richard really,
Speaker 1: really late. You don't take Josh Jacobs early, because this
Speaker 1: is a team that's gonna be chasing all season. You
Speaker 1: have Melvin Gordon of the Charges. Now there's a new
Speaker 1: report out um today Wednesday that this is something that's
Speaker 1: gonna bleed into the season. I don't see Ezekiel Elliot,
Speaker 1: who obviously is a superior player, but the same situation
Speaker 1: when you're worried about where is this guy? So Zeke
Speaker 1: is not a guy that you would worry about and
Speaker 1: you would potentially take them in the first round. But Gordon,
Speaker 1: you'd say, get me away from him. Yeah, Melvin Gordon
Speaker 1: is the guy that I have. I have been running
Speaker 1: back twenty four at this point. Um just dumped them real,
Speaker 1: real low. And you know, it's not only to hold out.
Speaker 1: It's the offensive line situation. It's a bad offensive line
Speaker 1: on the right side. And now we have a major
Speaker 1: question mark at left tackle in Russell o'koon and the
Speaker 1: left guard. They're counting on four Swamp, who has been
Speaker 1: this is his third season. He hasn't even played a
Speaker 1: snack essentially so far. So the offensive line is a concern,
Speaker 1: and we don't know if we're going to see him
Speaker 1: before mid season. He's not. He can't hold out the
Speaker 1: entire year because he needs that ac crude season to
Speaker 1: be eligible for free agency. In UM, but I you know,
Speaker 1: and and he seems really really dug in here. He
Speaker 1: was a big proponent of Levy on Bell's hold out
Speaker 1: last year, and I think that he feels a little
Speaker 1: bit empowered by that. West you want to be throw
Speaker 1: in one of your own shy away guys. Well, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, I looked at this list and only
Speaker 1: two names gave me pause. Philip Lindsay is one, but
Speaker 1: I'll be willing to chalk that up to better NFL
Speaker 1: player than fantasy player. Uh. The other one is Andrew Luck,
Speaker 1: who I think, regardless of what his health threat is
Speaker 1: right now, he's worth risk. Especially with the way quarterback
Speaker 1: is in fantasy football, you can back yourself up with
Speaker 1: a guy with plenty of upside behind him taking Andrew
Speaker 1: Luck because his upside is through the roof, and I
Speaker 1: think signs out there now that he's doing better. I
Speaker 1: hope that you're right. I hope that you're right, and
Speaker 1: but I do have concerned that the Colts might exercise
Speaker 1: some early season caution on Andrew Luck. I read the
Speaker 1: medical reports every day. You know, I've talked to Dr
Speaker 1: Chow extensively. Luck. The Colts do have a same starter
Speaker 1: in Jacoby Bursett, ready to go, So if they want
Speaker 1: to kind of try to take it easy early in
Speaker 1: the season, you know they have an experienced starter that
Speaker 1: they can utilize. You have actual one on one combos
Speaker 1: with Chow. M d oh, yeah all the time. Damn
Speaker 1: bro Chow Bragg. What about Peyton Manning who said absolutely
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck will be on the field in Yeah, that
Speaker 1: part hope that Peyton Manning is right. I hope he's
Speaker 1: right because I've already drafted Andrew Luck enough that I'm
Speaker 1: invested in. He's around like Cam and Breeze. I don't
Speaker 1: know if his ceiling is that much higher personally to
Speaker 1: me as as those guys ceiling. I think they're they're
Speaker 1: similar and there's a little less risk there. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: throw a stay away. How about Damien Williams. Everyone like
Speaker 1: I loved Damian Williams. I love the story, I love
Speaker 1: what he did. His career high in touches or carries
Speaker 1: is fifty. I mean, I I look at Darwin Thompson
Speaker 1: and I think I might rather I would not be
Speaker 1: surprised remotely. I'll throw out my sleeper now too. Darwin
Speaker 1: Thompson leads that team in yards like it. It just doesn't.
Speaker 1: Why would that be surprising? You're talking about a journeyman
Speaker 1: and Damian Williams, who they paid a backup salary, and
Speaker 1: they've talked him up and and maybe he will be
Speaker 1: their starter for eight, nine, ten games. What are the
Speaker 1: odds he's their starter for sixteen games? I think it's
Speaker 1: almost infant testament. And I like Darwin Thompson as a
Speaker 1: guy who's going super late, who might end up getting
Speaker 1: six seven, eight starts. What do you think, Evan Silva,
Speaker 1: I'm all three for three have been talking about him.
Speaker 1: You guys have been talking about him. You know we
Speaker 1: were gonna talk about sleepers at the end. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just well, I figured Damien Williams was the most egregious
Speaker 1: stay away in the whole game to me, So just
Speaker 1: why not combine Chiefs. By the way, everybody, dar Darwin
Speaker 1: Thompson last year ripped it up at ut Utah State
Speaker 1: average almost seven yards per carry over fifteen yards per
Speaker 1: reception as a running back, the average five point one
Speaker 1: yards after contact per carry. The next closest Mountain West
Speaker 1: running back average under four yards after contact per carry.
Speaker 1: He reminds me a lot of Dion Lewis. Lewis Riddick
Speaker 1: actually drew that same comparison recently, and uh, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: you know, go watch his snaps in the preseason. So far,
Speaker 1: Darwin Thompson is ready to play in the big leagues.
Speaker 1: Let's let's take a quick pause here, big Fish to
Speaker 1: check in on the fantasy corner. And Evan, just so
Speaker 1: you know, um, the fantasy corner. Very violent place in
Speaker 1: past year, is very dangerous neighborhood gentrified, it appears, So
Speaker 1: we're gonna check in with Mark Sessler. Hey, Mark, you there, guys.
Speaker 1: I am here, and it's not hard for me to
Speaker 1: see why I'm not heavily featured on this episode today.
Speaker 1: But I am in a good place. I've grabbed a
Speaker 1: stool at the Burly Bear Brewery, a homie tucked in
Speaker 1: the wall gastro pub just blocks away from the Romper
Speaker 1: where we were this morning. I'm enjoying a nice a
Speaker 1: B V Russian Imperial stout, and you're not gonna believe
Speaker 1: what I found at the cute little bookstore up the street.
Speaker 1: Check this out A type written fantasy football report from
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three. Yes it reads as follows, Ahoy, fantasy
Speaker 1: football enthusiasts, A thrilling new season is upon us, so
Speaker 1: keep it locked on this hand typed Mimeo Graftons snail
Speaker 1: mailed newsletter for all the latest NFL action. A bit
Speaker 1: of housekeeping for the nineteen seventy three campaign. Please remember,
Speaker 1: the NFL has approved a new numbering system for jerseys
Speaker 1: going forward. For instance, quarterbacks can only wear numbers one
Speaker 1: through nineteen, while centers and linebackers must pick between fifty
Speaker 1: and fifty nine. Why does this matter for fantasy? Here's why.
Speaker 1: There was a rampant speculation that Raiders center Jim Otto
Speaker 1: might sit out the season or even attire because his
Speaker 1: rare double zero jersey was initially no longer allowed in
Speaker 1: the NFL. He cared that much losing Otto would sink
Speaker 1: the fantasy stock of quarterback Kenny Stabler and trigger a
Speaker 1: huge arrow down on Raiders runners Charlie Smith and Marv Hubbard,
Speaker 1: not to mention the age thirty campaign of Fred Bulitnakoff.
Speaker 1: An update today brings hope, though, as the league is
Speaker 1: informed Auto that he'll be grandfathered in and allowed to
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Speaker 1: Equipment based disaster averted for the Oakland Raiders. Still the
Speaker 1: goal for all two d and fifty of you playing
Speaker 1: fantasy football and this great country of ours should remain
Speaker 1: the same. Do whatever it takes to get your hands
Speaker 1: on consensus top overall pick O. J. Simpson, the Bills
Speaker 1: star runner with a legitimate shot to cross two thousand
Speaker 1: yards on Terra Firma comes September, gentlemen, back to you
Speaker 1: in the studio. Hello, Heavan, Thank you Mark. Enjoy that microbrew.
Speaker 1: And yeah, going back to one of West's old uh
Speaker 1: takes on Fantasy drafted. Good guys draft the guys that
Speaker 1: are easy and root for, So get behind it. O J. Simpson.
Speaker 1: I like I like Marv Harber. That's a good uh.
Speaker 1: I mean he catches the ball out of the backfield.
Speaker 1: You're not hearing that on other fantasy ships the circle
Speaker 1: of Fantasy life. Thank you, Mark. All right, still there, Ivan, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know this Sessler guy, I've you know, I met
Speaker 1: him in real life. I love the guy, you know,
Speaker 1: but about fifty seven percent of the time, I have
Speaker 1: no idea what we're talking to. Alright, hevn. Let's get
Speaker 1: to Sleepers. I'm about sevent It comes with time, um, Sleepers.
Speaker 1: Who's somebody that you know you want to impress your
Speaker 1: friends and also you want to steal leagues with guys
Speaker 1: that are taking uh deep in drafts. Who somebody that's
Speaker 1: jumping out to you big fish? Yeah, we talked about
Speaker 1: Darwin Thompson already. I think that Justice Hill is right
Speaker 1: there with him as a guy that has been really,
Speaker 1: really impressive so far this preseason. I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: have an immediate role behind mark Ingram in the NFL's
Speaker 1: run heaviest offense. You go back to Justice hills college career.
Speaker 1: You know, as a true freshman, he played ahead of
Speaker 1: Chris Carson, who right now is the starting running back
Speaker 1: for the Seattle Seahawks, and finished fifth in the NFL
Speaker 1: and rushing last season. Justice Hill runs four four flat
Speaker 1: and he had a forty in vertical and a ten
Speaker 1: foot ten broad jump. One of the most athletic running
Speaker 1: backs in this year's draft class. I think that he
Speaker 1: has a chance to be the Alvin Kamara to mark
Speaker 1: Ingram's mark Ingram on on a very, very run heavy team,
Speaker 1: and he's a better pass catcher. He's at least more
Speaker 1: dynamic in the passing game than is mark Ingram. I
Speaker 1: love that pick. I have him and Darwin Thompson, and
Speaker 1: I even have Tony Pollard in there as guys that
Speaker 1: that I would like to take fires on. Well, why
Speaker 1: don't you throw it out one Chris Wesley. One of
Speaker 1: my favorite wide receiver values later in the draft is
Speaker 1: uh Marquez Valdez Scantling. I feel like the Packers Packers
Speaker 1: told us what they thought about him when they did
Speaker 1: nothing in free agency, they did nothing in the draft
Speaker 1: at wide receiver. Aaron Rodgers loves MVS. He's been talking
Speaker 1: him up all offseason, and I just see this guy,
Speaker 1: as you know, he's going to be the number two there.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's going NFL dot Com. He's going right
Speaker 1: around the same time as Toronto Geronimo Allison, Courtland, Sutton,
Speaker 1: Golden Tate, Nicole Hardman. Do you think MVS has a
Speaker 1: bigger ceiling, higher ceiling than all those guys? How about you,
Speaker 1: big fish big on Marcus about his scanning thing. You know,
Speaker 1: one of the fantasy analysts that I listened to most
Speaker 1: closely is Matt Waldman of Football Guys recently dropped the
Speaker 1: TiO comparison for Marcus vout Is Scantling. Marcus vout Is
Speaker 1: Scantling is six ft three to ten and runs four
Speaker 1: three seven flat. Last year, among all rookie receivers, no
Speaker 1: other rookie receiver gained more yards on twenty plus yard
Speaker 1: targets down field than Marcus voud Is Scantling. Looks like
Speaker 1: he's locked into that number two roll, big big upside
Speaker 1: this year. Greg give us a sleeper. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: AUNTI the Stairway list and go Mark Andrews. I second,
Speaker 1: believe in the player, Believe believe in the player, believe
Speaker 1: in the talent, believe in you know you can't. Great
Speaker 1: players end up getting value for you. And he's getting
Speaker 1: taken pretty deep, Sterling Shepherd. I'm surprised he's getting taken
Speaker 1: so deep. I would have thought he would have been
Speaker 1: on everyone's undervalue list. People get carried. He's already practicing.
Speaker 1: He's fine, He's gonna catch so many balls in that offense.
Speaker 1: And then there's a time when at some point everyone
Speaker 1: just gives up on a player because they've been injured
Speaker 1: forever and they burned everyone, and at some point they
Speaker 1: actually become a great value. And that's Jordan Reid this year.
Speaker 1: Taking If you're taking him in the fourteenth round, he
Speaker 1: could easily be a top five tight end. Why not?
Speaker 1: I don't want any on my team at all. Last
Speaker 1: no Redskins. Uh what do you think about that? Big Fish?
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you know I love Greg, you know
Speaker 1: my life, but he's no. It's good to have voices
Speaker 1: from Outsideka Silva and in the whole fantasy thing, and
Speaker 1: I was there once. You get so far up your
Speaker 1: own ass by just doing rankings and everything, you can't
Speaker 1: see the forest for the trees. And the key, which
Speaker 1: Silva knows more than anything, is to just be different
Speaker 1: than everyone else. When he's talking about that, that that
Speaker 1: Vegas is begging people to take the raiders and that
Speaker 1: they can't do it, and everyone's take it's like, well, no,
Speaker 1: so that doesn't support the reason to go against the raiders.
Speaker 1: The public is an idiot, so like you'll always go
Speaker 1: against and and the Jordan read to me at this point,
Speaker 1: it's kind of an anti public pick. I've got a
Speaker 1: question for our host. I need some advice on a
Speaker 1: late ground sleeper or a midground sleeper. Should Robbie Anderson
Speaker 1: be on my list? It's so funny, West because I
Speaker 1: was just about to bring up to the big Fish.
Speaker 1: I was gonna throw out three jets that I like
Speaker 1: a lot, and since I'm a jets man, I get
Speaker 1: too caught up in it, so I lose the ability
Speaker 1: to be um subjective about it. But I'll tell you this,
Speaker 1: Robby Anderson seems like a guy that's gonna really perform
Speaker 1: well in an Adam Gates offense, especially if Donald takes
Speaker 1: the leap, which I think a lot of people that
Speaker 1: are smart I think will happen. I love me some
Speaker 1: Chris Herndon a good value, especially with people looking, oh
Speaker 1: he's suspended. Uh So I'm just gonna completely skip over
Speaker 1: and that could be a nice late round by. And
Speaker 1: you get to October and all of a sudden you've
Speaker 1: got Chris Herndon who could be a breakout guy, and
Speaker 1: then Jamison crowded their slack guy who I think can
Speaker 1: approach a hundred catches in a in a in a
Speaker 1: beautiful world. So yes, West, I'm all in on Robbie
Speaker 1: Anderson making the leap and becoming one thousand yard type receiver.
Speaker 1: I'm curious what the fish thinks about these Jets players,
Speaker 1: you know, I I do like the Jets, and I
Speaker 1: really you have to like what you've seen from them
Speaker 1: so far in the preseason. Um. I think that the
Speaker 1: moves that Joe Douglass has made on the offensive line
Speaker 1: are promising. Before they hired Joe Douglass, they picked in
Speaker 1: They picked up Collecchi assimilate in a in a pick
Speaker 1: swap trade which was real, and they brought back Ryan Khalil,
Speaker 1: who didn't have a great season last year. But I
Speaker 1: think that in terms of like leadership on upfront and
Speaker 1: helping Sam Donald, I think he's gonna be a big
Speaker 1: upgrade on you know, Jonathan Harrison. So that was my
Speaker 1: biggest concern for the Jets offense previously. I don't really
Speaker 1: have a concern about their weapons. It's just going to be,
Speaker 1: you know, a matter of who's getting the ball a lot.
Speaker 1: Robby Anderson I think is gonna be up and down.
Speaker 1: He's gonna have spiked weeks, and he's gonna have weeks
Speaker 1: where he has two catches for eighteen yards. Jamison Crowder
Speaker 1: might end up being the most just Levyan Bell if
Speaker 1: he can stay healthy. Uh you know, because the average
Speaker 1: almost four missed games per season over his first five years. Uh.
Speaker 1: He I think he will be a beast and contend
Speaker 1: for the NFL lead and touches and then Quincy and Noon.
Speaker 1: I think is an excellent role player. It's just gonna
Speaker 1: be a matter of where is the ball gonna go.
Speaker 1: I love Sam Donald at the end of the day
Speaker 1: as like your second quarterback pick. So I'm gonna text
Speaker 1: you every Mark Andrews touched and remind you of it
Speaker 1: more than I've reminded you about ranking Ernest Wilford ahead
Speaker 1: of Marvin Harrison back in five settling old scores, because
Speaker 1: which caused you know, a total a fracture in our friendship. Oh.
Speaker 1: I just remember one year when there was questions about
Speaker 1: Drew Brees health ranking Bruce Gradkowski, now a PFF analysts
Speaker 1: ahead of I mean, I believe him that. He said
Speaker 1: that Nick Saban didn't even want to sign him. He
Speaker 1: thought the soldier was so banged up. I got you know,
Speaker 1: you got cut, you got cut up at all that
Speaker 1: and any guilt Evan of um. You know, I had
Speaker 1: started back at Rhodor World the Tears of Heaven uh
Speaker 1: column every every year, and now I've noticed you do
Speaker 1: tears of Evan any and that was accusing him of stealing.
Speaker 1: I know. This is like that time that Simmons tweeted
Speaker 1: at Jonah Carry about stealing a column and everybody was like,
Speaker 1: Simmons is showing his ask Greg, I don't know that.
Speaker 1: Can I throw out a couple of alternatives to Mark
Speaker 1: Andrews at at tight end? Yeah, of course there are
Speaker 1: a handful of guys I just love this year, Evan.
Speaker 1: Ingram to me is this year is George Kittle, where
Speaker 1: his talent is so obvious, his difference making talent, and
Speaker 1: what he did in the last month of the season
Speaker 1: last year he was virtually unstoppable. Um. I think people
Speaker 1: are thinking too much about Jared Cook, who has become
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl caliber tight end now going to an
Speaker 1: offense that moves the ball. And I know there's a
Speaker 1: lot of mouse to feed, but to me, the floor
Speaker 1: is really high there. He's the third mouth too. There's
Speaker 1: not that many. And my favorite tight end value Vance
Speaker 1: McDonald who has shown intriguing receiving skills and they have
Speaker 1: no one else at tight end there in Pittsburgh. Lock stuff,
Speaker 1: Chris Westling, lockstuff. Love love to hear it. I love
Speaker 1: it all. Right, before we let you go, Evan, let's
Speaker 1: just um go over what we've done here. So we
Speaker 1: have major drama on the line regarding Antonio Brown between
Speaker 1: big Fish and Chris Westling. No I was. I was
Speaker 1: on the opposite side. Him and west were in agreement.
Speaker 1: MEU and Rank We're okay. So that's a big one.
Speaker 1: We have to track that and I promise you I
Speaker 1: will Mark Andrews a lot of heat. I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: just having fun night fish. I just miss arguing over
Speaker 1: instant message with Evan Silva uh and Uh. Evan does
Speaker 1: incredible work. Uh and this new venture I have no
Speaker 1: doubts will be successful. UH with silver at the reins.
Speaker 1: Thank you Evan for joining us, and good luck in
Speaker 1: your four seventy leagues? How many leagues are you? And
Speaker 1: do you have an actual number of that? Does it
Speaker 1: even work? It'll be around thirty this year? So how
Speaker 1: does it like? How do you track it? Does it
Speaker 1: matter if you win or lose? Or is it all
Speaker 1: just what's happening doesn't get to be like And that's
Speaker 1: not even counting your dfs, which to me, I'm guessing
Speaker 1: it takes up more of your anxiety and attention every week.
Speaker 1: It absolutely does. I mean I'm working. One thing that
Speaker 1: I'd like to do in recent years is uh like
Speaker 1: team up with another person, uh two in season long
Speaker 1: because season long takes a lot of work. I mean,
Speaker 1: I like to team up with someone, whether it be
Speaker 1: you know, another fantasy football analysts, whether it be a friend, um,
Speaker 1: and you know, we can just bounce stuff off each other. Listen.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having me back. Guys. It's always
Speaker 1: a blast to talk to you, and uh, keep up
Speaker 1: the great work. You guys are unbelievable. I listen to
Speaker 1: you guys every single show. All right, love you Evan,
Speaker 1: Thank you dot com. He's got his own podcast too
Speaker 1: with Levitan. I mean, they're the two that started this company.
Speaker 1: Also another Road to World a lung one of the
Speaker 1: sharpest people I've ever met in the business, and they
Speaker 1: have a great fantasy podcast too. I just realized what's
Speaker 1: actually going to happen. Silva and Levitan are gonna poach
Speaker 1: Westling and Rosenthal and then Mark and I will just
Speaker 1: go back to the news room and become editors. Get
Speaker 1: and now it just came to me. It just happened.
Speaker 1: All right, Well eleven, good luck to you anyway, Evan
Speaker 1: Silver the big Fish. All right. Time for one final thought.
Speaker 1: That was good, by the way, Greg, it was it
Speaker 1: did feel like we were back in your I am
Speaker 1: uh a O L I am client circa two thousand
Speaker 1: five or whatever. I mean, you're just trying to cut
Speaker 1: I mean, there was no talk of like coney unnecessary
Speaker 1: words out of run a World blurbs. But otherwise, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was good. What made a perfect road a world
Speaker 1: blurb when you were the editor, M it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a little snarky. Well, first of all, concision you like
Speaker 1: I really hated the long ones day like three sentences Max,
Speaker 1: and like it comes you know, you have the factual
Speaker 1: stuff up top, you come strong with with analyssist in
Speaker 1: an opinion right off the top in the and then
Speaker 1: you support it, but you support it thinking what is
Speaker 1: the most essential thing here? People don't need to be reading,
Speaker 1: you know C poems. As Marc Sessor would say, I
Speaker 1: remember one of Greg one of the talking to talking
Speaker 1: to as I got from Greg as far as what
Speaker 1: a blurb should be, and it was usually this needs
Speaker 1: more Westling that, yeah, a little more. It needs more opinion,
Speaker 1: It needs more like the blog guys. You know the
Speaker 1: body is just they were just too afraid to uh
Speaker 1: bring me have a take alright, one final thought before
Speaker 1: we say goodbye, as um our many listeners prepare for
Speaker 1: fantasy drafts leave them with a final thought. Greg Rosenthal,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go to the quarterback position because I
Speaker 1: haven't gotten there. I think Lamar Jackson is incredibly undervalued
Speaker 1: this year, that he could be a top five fantasy
Speaker 1: quarterback very easily. I'm with rank. I don't think there
Speaker 1: should be any rules you have to wait to certain rounds,
Speaker 1: but especially Lamar Jackson and Jamis Winston to me, seemed
Speaker 1: like incredible fantasy values that both have top five potential
Speaker 1: and don't worry about taking him too early. Like I
Speaker 1: would just take Lamar in the seventh round and be
Speaker 1: done with it. Be happy. This It is a real bummer.
Speaker 1: I know you guys are stronger and will as uh
Speaker 1: the bricklayers of roadal world, but you hate making a
Speaker 1: draft pick. And then in the little chat client, um,
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh that was really it's a horrible feeling.
Speaker 1: And I know if you're strong and wills, like, just
Speaker 1: get the guys you want and you'll be fine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's cool. But sometimes you just want everybody to say
Speaker 1: good job. Many here's what you can say in back.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm NFL Networks Dan hands. This where's your power rankings.
Speaker 1: It actually works, it works against a little bit. Yes,
Speaker 1: check out the power rankings every week on NFL dot com. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, here's my one final thought. Um West, I
Speaker 1: feel like you especially are you're going to disagree with this,
Speaker 1: but that's fine. Don't put all of your NFL eggs
Speaker 1: in one basket. So being a fan of of a team, uh,
Speaker 1: lover of the team is stressful enough. And part of
Speaker 1: the appeal to me anyway for fantasy of fantasy sports
Speaker 1: has always been that I have that second rooting option.
Speaker 1: When the Jets are in the tank again by Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: it's not all over because I have this other team,
Speaker 1: this fantasy team. Uh So you can kind of get
Speaker 1: in trouble if you you love your real team so
Speaker 1: much that you load up. So I was just saying,
Speaker 1: how I love me some Sam Donald, that love me
Speaker 1: some Crowder, I love Robby Anderson. Leve Bell gets me excited.
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna go too heavy there. And does
Speaker 1: that mean you should avoid taking any players from your
Speaker 1: favorite team? Of course not, but just protect yourself. You
Speaker 1: know there's a chance your team might suck. Don't let
Speaker 1: that doom your fantasy squad too. That comes from a
Speaker 1: fan of an eternally downtrodden franchise. Now, I'm like you,
Speaker 1: I like to keep it separated a little bit. And
Speaker 1: when Mark's not here right now, we're gonna throw it
Speaker 1: back to Mark in a second. But maybe the Browns
Speaker 1: are the exception to the rule this year because I
Speaker 1: feel like I would love a team that had Baker,
Speaker 1: Mayfield and David and Joeku and Odell Beckham and Nick Chubb.
Speaker 1: But in general, be careful. Thank you for that Sega.
Speaker 1: Every year there's an offense on love, I fall in
Speaker 1: love with it. Last year, I believe I said, go
Speaker 1: get Patrick Mahomes or Andrew Luck because those two offenses,
Speaker 1: that's who you want. Check the tape. I want as
Speaker 1: much Odell Beckham Jr. Baker and Mayfield and Nick Chubb
Speaker 1: as I can get. I just want him on every
Speaker 1: if I if I was doing the eggs in the basket,
Speaker 1: I want all of those guys. I want them and
Speaker 1: I want to ride that Brown's offense. Yeah, Chubb is
Speaker 1: one of those guys who I thought would be like
Speaker 1: a value and now just everyone's on him and with
Speaker 1: you who cares. I still want him there as one
Speaker 1: of your other people worry about Kareem Hunt. I also
Speaker 1: want Tyler Lockett in every draft. H I also want
Speaker 1: you know who I want Every year on hard Knocks
Speaker 1: there's some guy that I fall in love with. I
Speaker 1: had to run for out of the slot. Give me
Speaker 1: them seventy three catches, poor guy, all insecure about his
Speaker 1: hair life. Fifth round, Fifth round, rookie, who's maybe the
Speaker 1: fifth receiver on that team if you're counting Jacobs and
Speaker 1: and Darren Wild. If I was going to go through
Speaker 1: a crazy deep sleep, but I think I'd go Darren
Speaker 1: Wall are there as as my sleeper. Froze got that
Speaker 1: Tom bradybody going for him. He does, he does. He
Speaker 1: looks good making catches and slow motion though. All right,
Speaker 1: for the last time, we throw it to the fantasy corner.
Speaker 1: And now, Mark, I've been told by my producer. He
Speaker 1: is at what once was an affordable housing community that
Speaker 1: was raised and turned into a live events space right
Speaker 1: now playing Mumford and Sons, an exclusive concert for American
Speaker 1: Express Platinum members. Mark you there, I didn't know you
Speaker 1: were a fan of the Mumforts. You know what, when
Speaker 1: I'm here, I just sort of slide into new hobbies
Speaker 1: and I just think the whole the whole community here
Speaker 1: is really uh there. Think. So it's a new day.
Speaker 1: It's a new day on the corner and all around
Speaker 1: the corner. And I'll give you my one big thought
Speaker 1: I I know you think I'm gonna come with why
Speaker 1: ten reasons why you shouldn't have a fantasy team from
Speaker 1: the stage? Yeah, can we move? Just can we possibly
Speaker 1: have the band quiet down just a bit? Those Mumford
Speaker 1: and sounds really rock. I am inspired by Evan Silva
Speaker 1: being a part of thirty teams that would quickly result
Speaker 1: in a destruction of my family structure if I were
Speaker 1: to try that, But I find it to be inspiring.
Speaker 1: I'm going to suggest that you do too. How about this.
Speaker 1: You do number one and you follow the advice of
Speaker 1: Rank and Greg and Dan and West and Erica and
Speaker 1: the big Fishy, and you go win that league. You
Speaker 1: go win that league. But with the second one I
Speaker 1: would do. What you do is what I would do.
Speaker 1: The chaos theory. You look at this little a DP
Speaker 1: thing and you go to number one fifty. You start
Speaker 1: your draft at one fifty And for the exact reason
Speaker 1: Dan that you mentioned, the the chat client where everyone's
Speaker 1: ripping on you and stuff. I go number one right
Speaker 1: on my ADP list and I looked at number one
Speaker 1: fifty two is Mitch Robiski number one pick? Now, again,
Speaker 1: this is not the league I'm trying to win. This
Speaker 1: is a league where I want to cause people concern
Speaker 1: about what is happening inside my front office. You're an
Speaker 1: agent of mayhem. It must be total mayhem. And you
Speaker 1: want to stick with that ADP. No, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: touching that one fifty plus ADP in the first film
Speaker 1: rounds of this thing, right, so you can you grab
Speaker 1: Nicole Hardman in round one or round two. Let's say
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard, you go Alexander Madison. And what I do
Speaker 1: at that point is you roll into the season. People
Speaker 1: think you one of these guys at around week two,
Speaker 1: either you did a terrible auto draft or you're just
Speaker 1: gonna vanish in a week two. Step two is the
Speaker 1: most important thing here. You must be making hundreds of
Speaker 1: transactions a week, and not to improve the roster, but
Speaker 1: just constantly churn it. And every time people log into
Speaker 1: the fantasy home base, they just see that your team
Speaker 1: has done thirty to forty things overnight and they'll come
Speaker 1: to you. You're gonna get a bunch of bros. They're
Speaker 1: gonna tell you know what you're doing, and you stick
Speaker 1: with your system and say you're looking ahead. You've captured
Speaker 1: this thing. You know where what you're where, you're going
Speaker 1: with it, you will be Here's can you also tell them, hey, analytics,
Speaker 1: use analytics. M you're doing analytics and they don't even
Speaker 1: know what you're doing. This will be the great thing
Speaker 1: you team. You're taking up Kevin Hogan and then dropping
Speaker 1: them and pick them up, drop him you're doing. Your
Speaker 1: team will probably go over, but you will be haunting
Speaker 1: people's minds every single night. Think about this league. Tell
Speaker 1: him your Sashy Brown. It's process. There you go. All right, Mark,
Speaker 1: We'll enjoy the eighteen dollar beer. Let's hear it for
Speaker 1: the lumin ears and uh and i'd say, you know,
Speaker 1: good luck getting home, but it sounds like you're just
Speaker 1: gonna get an uber and one of those pickup zones.
Speaker 1: I think I am home And yeah, all right, say
Speaker 1: so long to Mark. All right, that's it. That's it
Speaker 1: for the thirty five annual Fantasy Extravaganza Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: Thanks Adam Rank, Thanks Evan Silva, Thanks Mark Sessler, Thanks
Speaker 1: Rick Hollywood for all your work. Thank you. This is
Speaker 1: Dan Hansons signing off and good luck to everybody in
Speaker 1: the drafts. Remember don't drink too much. Let the other
Speaker 1: people get drunk, you stay sharp. Then hands are signing
Speaker 1: off the Western streets from the mailman, the old Boss.
Speaker 1: Quiet still, I want Rick Colly woind the glass until Friday.
Speaker 1: Can I call back and reschedule? Call in an hour?
Speaker 1: M hm? Did I just hear a callback and reschedule
Speaker 1: in an hour? Maybe she's talking to someone else whatever
Speaker 1: other shows. H If you thought this show was like
Speaker 1: low enter priority list last year, wait to listen. She's
Speaker 1: moving her schedule around in the middle of our show.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get him on the phone. I know
Speaker 1: we're just now. Mark's like, God, these guys really are
Speaker 1: at starting to starting to see it from her prospective