Speaker 1: Be Around with the NFL podcast, can't figure out what
Speaker 1: XFL stands for, that's not true Extreme Football League. Welcome
Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast, presented
Speaker 1: by Sirius XM. My name is Dan Hansis. I'm joined
Speaker 1: in the room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling,
Speaker 1: and Greg Rosenthal. What is up? Boys? Right? X is extreme? Right?
Speaker 1: So the person so that came from a listener and
Speaker 1: the listeners listened to a series of shows and views
Speaker 1: us as mental adults. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a simi all the league also has you know,
Speaker 1: been will please Happy Friday, everybody. How's everybody doing? Greg?
Speaker 1: I'm great? Good until I heard that? Now annoyed? Now, Annoyd?
Speaker 1: I get it. Wes, you got the the winter cap
Speaker 1: on here and came in with nothing but this polo
Speaker 1: shirt on and then it was you know, it's like
Speaker 1: a meat locker in here. So put the old gray
Speaker 1: shirt in the hat a Wednesday and make sure you
Speaker 1: get it and make sure you check it out if
Speaker 1: you haven't yet, because I'm sure your fantasy draft is
Speaker 1: this weekend or in the week coming. The Fantasy Extravaganza
Speaker 1: it was a annual fantasy extravaganza, and what a celebration
Speaker 1: it was to mark that milestone. So I didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance to bring it up, but I wanted to
Speaker 1: make one more point, that one more nugget that I
Speaker 1: got Mark from the Westling Rosenthal Rich Eyes and show appearance,
Speaker 1: which again went over like gangbusters everywhere you turn. A
Speaker 1: lot of social media action around that the guys look great.
Speaker 1: And I mentioned this on Instagram and Twitter. Um, but
Speaker 1: I want to say it in person. You guys looked
Speaker 1: really good on camera. Fit, well dressed, fit. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: well spoken. It was just a nice It was a
Speaker 1: nice thing to see represented the brand well. But I
Speaker 1: didn't want to mention Mark that I heard through the
Speaker 1: grapevine that, um, you know West he he positions himself
Speaker 1: as the man sitting at the top the common man rankings. Okay,
Speaker 1: sure he does famously. You know Bertie told me that
Speaker 1: he took a limo to the rich. Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: that cannot be true. That is erroneous. There was no
Speaker 1: limo and the poor driver had to take out a
Speaker 1: baby seat to put us in. There's a car service,
Speaker 1: it was, yes, if it was, it was let's actually
Speaker 1: I have I have footage the West side of Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: a working class area. Let's just cut to the West
Speaker 1: side of Cincinnati. Their reaction to the news that was
Speaker 1: his mom. They're worked up, and it should. In West's defense,
Speaker 1: he doesn't drive an automobile these days, which is kind
Speaker 1: of a common man thing. So you know, if you
Speaker 1: get off the ride, the common man thing, getting the
Speaker 1: pickup truck and rumble over to Direct TV headquarters, or
Speaker 1: I would say, just a simple uber X, the lowest
Speaker 1: tier uber off. You can expense it easily with the company.
Speaker 1: I'm sure West has a very cooked up appropriate response
Speaker 1: to this, though. I was told by the people in
Speaker 1: the West set of Cincinnati that I was getting up,
Speaker 1: but he when I wore dockers once in a while.
Speaker 1: One thing, one thing I learned during that episode sitting
Speaker 1: behind the Glass is that you guys are asked. I
Speaker 1: now understand, well, I'm in here, and I become one too.
Speaker 1: But when I'm back there, I realized these guys are
Speaker 1: impossible to deal with, total vault. They're living up on clouds,
Speaker 1: and I just was appalled by what I've viewed, especially
Speaker 1: off air. Sobering Sobering stuff. Mark Uh. Coming up on
Speaker 1: the Friday edition of the Around the NFL podcast some
Speaker 1: preseason week three Uh takeaways. There was a handful a
Speaker 1: bushel of games played Thursday and what used to be
Speaker 1: the most important UM week on the preseason calendar, and
Speaker 1: I guess it still is, but it's different now. It's
Speaker 1: just different. It's just treated in the same way once was.
Speaker 1: But there are takeaways and we will share them. Also, um,
Speaker 1: Greg wrote a banger. Yeah he did. What is that
Speaker 1: five thousand words top five thousand word banger us? It
Speaker 1: was yeah, work anyway, biggest training camp surprises going city
Speaker 1: by city by city. Now, Mark wouldn't ask that. Look
Speaker 1: at all the compliments I'm paying to the group today,
Speaker 1: Can you stop saying it? So I have to go
Speaker 1: back and bleep all these words like I keep saying
Speaker 1: the word asked. Also, I have to go back and
Speaker 1: do all this work. Whenever you are butttering anyone up,
Speaker 1: it is for a purpose, Nick, for a tier. Uh.
Speaker 1: That drop right there. So Greg wrote about his from
Speaker 1: his viewpoint, the biggest camp surprises in each city. So
Speaker 1: we'll hit that. But before that, let's do some news,
Speaker 1: go and broke by and hype. But I know what
Speaker 1: I like because I'm banking on the Brown to be
Speaker 1: that winning type little wins to did just got credit
Speaker 1: and swipe Bow had turned up changed with Stereo Dorsey
Speaker 1: spinning at making the right pick, imagination at work called
Speaker 1: general electric like moves one after the other. All this
Speaker 1: new talent made him pays to discouna bark that noise.
Speaker 1: Freddy ready with the Cleveland Boys, maker in the back
Speaker 1: with the sash and poys better believe beleveland got some
Speaker 1: brand new toys, Boy Brown making des shiver like the
Speaker 1: league on fire, like the Kuyahoga River never seen flows?
Speaker 1: How these are Cardi sevest in the pockets? Is Bernie Cosa? Wow?
Speaker 1: That was not Cardi b That was Connie fox A
Speaker 1: gave the tiny box Colleen Wolf this morning on Good
Speaker 1: Morning Football, all about your Brown's mark. I'm blown away,
Speaker 1: and I you know, one little There's so much to
Speaker 1: unpack there, but she mentioned Baker Mayfield's fashion poise and
Speaker 1: you know what. Obviously, um he did the g Q thing.
Speaker 1: And I saw seeing all the tweets, everyone calling what
Speaker 1: the code he wore his grandmother's old all the suff
Speaker 1: Let's let's be real about one thing, and it's now
Speaker 1: it's his turn to be ripped apart for his fashion choices.
Speaker 1: To every one of these quarterbacks that does one of
Speaker 1: these fashion spreads, and really, any rich male, any male
Speaker 1: that becomes super rich, starts wearing clothing that is so
Speaker 1: beyond what any of us would ever comprehend putting on that.
Speaker 1: He's just like anyone else at this point. It's not
Speaker 1: like setting new give me a break with the Mark
Speaker 1: Sanchez Spreadshoot like that, That to me was he's not
Speaker 1: picking was. The only question is whether he takes him
Speaker 1: with him when I think Baker's at the point he's
Speaker 1: just taking this was it? I would think it was
Speaker 1: like a joke on Twitter that was actually his grandmother's coat. No,
Speaker 1: it's just that it looked very much like a like
Speaker 1: a code of grandmother from any century, might uh put
Speaker 1: on any century. Wow, you take a great job, she
Speaker 1: wrote that. Yes she did. She did, and she performed it,
Speaker 1: and I think she won the rap battle between her
Speaker 1: Kyle Bryant. Wow, nicely. That hurts, Nate, you know it does.
Speaker 1: Cam Newton got hurt unbelievable. On Thursday, he left the
Speaker 1: preseason game against the Patriots, uh with a foot injury.
Speaker 1: He left the stadium in a walking boot, and rap
Speaker 1: Sheet reported Friday that an X ray and other tests
Speaker 1: um he was diagnosed with a mid foot sprain in
Speaker 1: his left foot. General manager Marty Hernie turd Rap told
Speaker 1: rap Sheet that the team is quote cautiously optimistic that
Speaker 1: Newton will be ready for Week one against the Rams,
Speaker 1: week one, which is now, you know, just over two
Speaker 1: weeks away and west you know, we didn't mention Cam
Speaker 1: Newton in um the fantasy extravaganza during the Stay Stay
Speaker 1: Way chatter, but he was on my list just going
Speaker 1: to get a chance to bring him up. I just
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit nervous about Cam because, um, obviously,
Speaker 1: any thirty year old quarterback that said two shoulder surgeries,
Speaker 1: you get nervous. But he's also had ankle surgery. Now
Speaker 1: this foot is right connected to that ankle. Is it
Speaker 1: possible that the guy has taken a lot of abuse
Speaker 1: over the years he's breaking down? Is that a real
Speaker 1: concerned to be having if you're a path dispex So
Speaker 1: it's a scary one. Well, I mean, is it possible, sure,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. It seems more like bad luck
Speaker 1: to me than breaking down. A mid foot spring. To me,
Speaker 1: the greater concern is that I haven't liked what I've
Speaker 1: seen out of Will Greer at the quarterback they drafted
Speaker 1: in the third round. Guys like Ryan Finley the Bengals
Speaker 1: mid round pick, and Jared's did him the Patriots mid
Speaker 1: round pick, looked a lot better. I haven't like I've
Speaker 1: been impressed with Easton Stick a little bit from the Chargers,
Speaker 1: but Will Greer has not played well and he got
Speaker 1: rave reviews coming out of the draft. It's a bummer
Speaker 1: because Cam Newton got really good reviews in practice for
Speaker 1: his arm looking great, like throwing the deep ball pretty well.
Speaker 1: He's got the new motion. You're kind of excited to
Speaker 1: see this new Cam. And now he's going to be
Speaker 1: coming in to a brutal Week one matchup as it is,
Speaker 1: with an injury. Even if he plays, you would think
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to limit him being their goal line,
Speaker 1: you know, back, which he essentially is in that time,
Speaker 1: and you just hate like going into this season that way.
Speaker 1: I don't blame him, though, like everyone said, like it
Speaker 1: just shows you can't play your players in the preseason.
Speaker 1: I just feel like that that's a little too easy.
Speaker 1: Like certain teams, like every team is a little different,
Speaker 1: certain teams believe that it's gonna help. If you're playing football,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be at risk. It's a bummer when they
Speaker 1: get hurt in week one two, and it's not an
Speaker 1: until it's gonna happen if you're playing football. The Patriots
Speaker 1: thought it was important for Tom Brady to play football.
Speaker 1: I think he did too, And it's like everyone's gonna
Speaker 1: make their own call. But that doesn't mean him. West
Speaker 1: nailed it with the bad luck. But I mean because
Speaker 1: Newton he fractured a rib in a preseason game and
Speaker 1: missed regular season action. To dance point, he's had a concussion.
Speaker 1: He because I get there's some of these guys. I
Speaker 1: like to call them just like a bug because they're
Speaker 1: constantly getting the injury bug biting them left and right.
Speaker 1: We're always talking about their injuries, a bug like he got.
Speaker 1: Then it's like it's December. He gets into a random
Speaker 1: car accident. You got, that's bad luck. It's bad luck.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. My point being is that the
Speaker 1: car accent a perfect example. That's rotten luck. And yeah,
Speaker 1: injuries sucking there rotten luck too. But when they start
Speaker 1: to pile up for a guy that has plays a
Speaker 1: certain way, I would just be starting to get nervous
Speaker 1: if I was a Panthers fan. But he might want
Speaker 1: to reconsider those glamour scooter shoots on his way to
Speaker 1: the stadium for multiple reasons. And it is like you said,
Speaker 1: he's got a very tough match up against the Rams,
Speaker 1: greg And and it was a bummer watching a diminished
Speaker 1: version of Newton labor through those last five or so
Speaker 1: starts last season. And now you you have a situation
Speaker 1: for the Panthers who just want to turn the page.
Speaker 1: And now you might have a hobbled Newton in week one.
Speaker 1: We'll see what kind of progress he makes as we
Speaker 1: get closer to that Sunday. Moving on bad news on
Speaker 1: the throne of Sleeves, Patriots safety Patrick Chung has been
Speaker 1: indicted by a grand jury on a charge of cocaine possession. UH.
Speaker 1: This and this occurred in Meredith, New Hampshire on June.
Speaker 1: The felony arg is only one, UH charge Chung is facing.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, the felony charge is the only one Chung
Speaker 1: is facing. UH. No other individuals involved. He has a
Speaker 1: court date coming up. He doesn't have to appear at it.
Speaker 1: His lawyer can appear on his behalf. That's uh in
Speaker 1: August twenty arraignment. So we'll see how this gets sorted out.
Speaker 1: But Greg Chung is an important, important part of that
Speaker 1: defense and this is a pretty heavy off the field
Speaker 1: situation be hanging over him. Yeah, it's unclear what it's
Speaker 1: gonna mean for his status. Whether could he be playing
Speaker 1: week one, could he be suspended? Could he just be
Speaker 1: away from the team for the whole Like, no one
Speaker 1: has any idea. But to your point, a huge Patriots
Speaker 1: fan who we all know, well, let's call him Burke,
Speaker 1: I mean, texted me apoplectic after this, thinking that after Gilmore,
Speaker 1: Stephan Gilmore, and Tom Brady, that Patrick Chung might be
Speaker 1: the third most valuable Patriot Like, all right, let's calm
Speaker 1: let's calm down there. I know, uh, he covers tight
Speaker 1: ends well and he's versatile, but let's calm down with that.
Speaker 1: It does mean though, that the Ron Harmon, who has
Speaker 1: been a starter the last few years and some people
Speaker 1: thought would maybe not make this team, might get traded
Speaker 1: to one of those uh Patriots South or West. Uh.
Speaker 1: Coming out of camp looks like he'll make the team.
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of my takeaway, because they're gonna
Speaker 1: need him now. I'll planning though, because it sounds like
Speaker 1: from when you piece together the report that an alarm
Speaker 1: went off for something that alerted the police who were
Speaker 1: going there to help obviously and assist, and then bang,
Speaker 1: you know your house is not put together. There in
Speaker 1: the house checking on what like a burglar alarm, I
Speaker 1: think to help the civilian that lives there instead the civilians.
Speaker 1: I think maybe that's about the cops give a little
Speaker 1: wink Patrick, clean up the snow something like that. They
Speaker 1: feel differently, MEREDITHA knows how it operates in New Hand
Speaker 1: and get the snowplow out, backing off the grid. This
Speaker 1: big lake, the biggest lake in New Hampshire, Meredith is,
Speaker 1: is Lake Winnipesauke, and it gets kind of wild up
Speaker 1: in up there. It does that, but and I don't
Speaker 1: know enough about that. I'm not obviously making any comment
Speaker 1: about Patrick Chung's guilt or innocence, but it is interesting
Speaker 1: that I feel like every six to nine months there's
Speaker 1: some like mega criminal charge connected to the New England patriots.
Speaker 1: Here we just you know, connect the dots over the years.
Speaker 1: I know everybody there's team players and front office officials
Speaker 1: get in trouble from every organization. You've got quarterbacks you know,
Speaker 1: you know, dispensing their phones and dumpsters because they don't
Speaker 1: want those to be examined. You know, it's it's abroad.
Speaker 1: I would just say take out the red string, you know,
Speaker 1: the red string and criminal investigations, and then just go
Speaker 1: basically year to year. It's gonna go through through line
Speaker 1: Man Hunter season three. Yes, no, maybe so great? What
Speaker 1: that that that they get. There's been a lot. There's
Speaker 1: been a lot of gates. There's been a lot of
Speaker 1: you know stuff, but not to get more. And they've
Speaker 1: checked all the boxes, like at the level from petty
Speaker 1: mdemeanors to capital murder and everything in between, like stumbling
Speaker 1: naked into a police station. That too, is the ones
Speaker 1: that are more humor based. Okay, I'm gonna move on.
Speaker 1: It's too bad. Chunk has been a great story. You know,
Speaker 1: he left, he left home, he came back. He's won
Speaker 1: three rings since he's been back. You know, he's been
Speaker 1: much better since they originally cut him back in the
Speaker 1: day or traded him. This is the deepest Patriots defense
Speaker 1: I remembering years. They're gonna be good again. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on Michael Crabtree. He's back two weeks after
Speaker 1: working out for the Cardinals. Left without a deal, the
Speaker 1: veteran White out agrees to terms with Arizona on a
Speaker 1: one year deal. He joins a group of receivers led
Speaker 1: by veteran Larry Fitzgerald, Christian Kirk, Keishawn Johnson, not keishn
Speaker 1: Andy Isabella, and Jakim Butler. Kevin White, the former Bears
Speaker 1: first round pick he got cut. I guess that's crab
Speaker 1: Tree essentially replaces Kevin White on this depth chart. Crabtree
Speaker 1: thirty one years old. Mark spent last season with the Ravens.
Speaker 1: Had a big role in the offense, at least until
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson showed up um and had six hundred and
Speaker 1: seven yards receiving three re touchdowns. A guy that maybe
Speaker 1: finds a way to catch the ball in the end zone,
Speaker 1: but not the most explosive guy at this point of
Speaker 1: his career. I mean, I I gather that they brought
Speaker 1: him in initially a obviously he's available, but that he
Speaker 1: played under Mike Leach at Texas Tech, so he's very
Speaker 1: familiar with the offense. And I think you know, you
Speaker 1: opened Cardinals camp and there was this buzz about Kevin
Speaker 1: White and where Kevin might White might end up in
Speaker 1: the offense. For us, it's all wait and see, and
Speaker 1: he's gone. And they also lost to Keim Butler, so
Speaker 1: there's there's a spot there. But the Keyshawn Johnson news
Speaker 1: is interesting to me because it was Josh Wine Fuss
Speaker 1: of ESPN that said he may have had the best
Speaker 1: training camp of anyone on the Cardinals roster veteran or
Speaker 1: rookie alike. So they need they need people to step
Speaker 1: up and turn into glue for Kyler Murray right away.
Speaker 1: He kesha Johnson's a six round rookie, very shifty, quick.
Speaker 1: They want to play with four receivers, and this show
Speaker 1: is why, you know, when we project the starters, I
Speaker 1: do this, and you know fan cee owners are drafting
Speaker 1: Andy Isabella. It's just like, well, they're gonna have four receivers,
Speaker 1: and they like the college evaluation Andy Isabel, and they
Speaker 1: like Kim Butler, and that's gonna be there for and
Speaker 1: you just never know with rookies. Isabella just doesn't look
Speaker 1: like he's ready to go and to me. This is
Speaker 1: basically where we don't want to play this guy. We
Speaker 1: like Keishawan Johnson, and Crabtree's gonna be in there, and
Speaker 1: that's our top four with with Kirk and Fitzgerald. I'd
Speaker 1: like to point out that in the last two off seasons,
Speaker 1: the two teams with among the worst wide receiver corps
Speaker 1: in the league have said the way to get better
Speaker 1: is to get rid of Michael Crabtree, and now a
Speaker 1: team with one of the worst wide receiver corps in
Speaker 1: the NFL has said a way to get better is
Speaker 1: to bring in my I think he can still play.
Speaker 1: He's savvy though. You know, remember there was that report
Speaker 1: where they couldn't get a deal done with Crabtree two
Speaker 1: weeks ago. What has he done in between? He fired
Speaker 1: his agent and then he hired the same agent who
Speaker 1: represents Kyler Murray and Cliff Kingsbury spot which seems like
Speaker 1: a conflict of interest when you're representing the number one
Speaker 1: overall picking the and the coach. And there's a lot
Speaker 1: to that, you know, watching you agents, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of young wide receivers on that roster and a young quarterback.
Speaker 1: You know, crab she feels like to me was Bill
Speaker 1: Parcels coined it once upon a time progress stopper. Perhaps,
Speaker 1: perhaps let's move on. It's also a big play stopper. Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Cowboys make a big deal, oh man, a big contract,
Speaker 1: but not with one of the players you might expect.
Speaker 1: They reached agreement on a long term deal earlier this
Speaker 1: week with linebacker Jalen Smith. The Cowboys made the deal
Speaker 1: official after a rap sheet report. UH. Steven Jones said
Speaker 1: Tuesday of the extension is for five years and it's
Speaker 1: worth sixty four million, including thirty half thirty five and
Speaker 1: a half million guaranteed. He's under contract through the season.
Speaker 1: If you're a listener of this podcast, you've heard Chris
Speaker 1: Westling singing the praises of Smith all throughout the eighteen season.
Speaker 1: And he's such a great story. After what happened at
Speaker 1: Notre Dame where he was he looked like a stone cold,
Speaker 1: top five pick suffers terrible knee injury and you never
Speaker 1: you're not sure if he's ever gonna be able to
Speaker 1: play in the NFL. UH. It does affect his draft stock,
Speaker 1: but the Cowboys took a chance to us. They took
Speaker 1: him high in the second round. UH. He sat out
Speaker 1: his rookie year and became one of the best livebackers
Speaker 1: in football. Yeah, it's a great story. At one point
Speaker 1: he had dropped foot syndrome and he could barely he
Speaker 1: had no range of motion in his lower leg. It's
Speaker 1: an amazing story. Nobody thought that he was going to
Speaker 1: come back and be one of the best linebackers in football,
Speaker 1: which he was for the last few months of last
Speaker 1: season along with Layton Vandersh. He's a guy that you
Speaker 1: could tell even in his second but definitely last year,
Speaker 1: his third year, he's such a leader for that team
Speaker 1: that he's an impressive human. He talked right and and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in training camp the just the way that
Speaker 1: they would talk about it. Even in his even in
Speaker 1: his second year, you could just tell the influence he
Speaker 1: has over all them and the way he approaches and
Speaker 1: the kind of the joy he has and the way
Speaker 1: he talks about Layton Vandersch and the two of them
Speaker 1: seem like just a perfect pair to to sign forever.
Speaker 1: And I saw some criticism that's like, you know, this
Speaker 1: is a relatively team friendly deal, like he could have
Speaker 1: gotten more money if you waited out, Like this is
Speaker 1: a guy who had his entire career flash before his eyes.
Speaker 1: Is happy to have it. He's two years away from
Speaker 1: free agency, and I hate that where you're like trying
Speaker 1: to get into someone else's money, saying that you should
Speaker 1: have tried to get more money. It's like he's his
Speaker 1: generations are are secured for you know, his son's and
Speaker 1: his you know, in the next generation after that. Like,
Speaker 1: don't don't tell people not to sign a big contract
Speaker 1: if they want to shut up. And I mean the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: you know. I can't think of a team in a
Speaker 1: person more than Jerry Jones, who was attracted to high risk,
Speaker 1: high reward draft picks and they aren't like Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: not working out at this point and the essentially you
Speaker 1: could look at him and say, maybe you you stretched
Speaker 1: on that one. But this was viewed that way too,
Speaker 1: and it has worked out beautifully. And I like a
Speaker 1: team that once you find that position group that is stacked,
Speaker 1: you don't decide we're gonna keep one, move someone else
Speaker 1: and go lower money at the position. So a lot
Speaker 1: of teams do that and their general managers can't figure
Speaker 1: out a way to keep all these guys keep this
Speaker 1: group together. The defense has gotten so much better. And
Speaker 1: I'll give Smith the last word because in his press
Speaker 1: conference he said, pointing back to the Cowboys essentially taking
Speaker 1: that risk on him in the second round, Here's what
Speaker 1: he had to say. He took a risk, um, you know,
Speaker 1: UH four point five million dollar risk, you know, had
Speaker 1: I've never been able to play again, So me understanding
Speaker 1: that it was my duty for them, UM to get
Speaker 1: the return on their investment. And they've been able to
Speaker 1: do that. And you know now fortunate enough to UH
Speaker 1: to to really be a cowboy for life. Is this what?
Speaker 1: It's what I wanted. It's a good story. I like
Speaker 1: those stories. Now cowboys keep doing work, so don't have
Speaker 1: to talk about contracts anymore. And three more to discuss.
Speaker 1: It's not going away tonight. UH. Injury news from the
Speaker 1: preseason UH Drew Lock on Monday Night Football preseason Edition
Speaker 1: sprained UM his throwing hand and that's gonna cost him
Speaker 1: a lot of time. It sets back the Broncos um
Speaker 1: second round rookie UH to the point where he could
Speaker 1: start the season on I are boomerang? Is that right? Mark? Yes?
Speaker 1: But I hear some fleaks. Some people are saying I
Speaker 1: I prefer I are a boomerang, And people are telling
Speaker 1: me that they like boomerang. I are that that rolls
Speaker 1: off to that sounded better person. I like Again, it
Speaker 1: only goes back to the fact that it's not sticking
Speaker 1: on any level as a true term because people can't
Speaker 1: even describe what it's happening, Like Erica, if you can
Speaker 1: describe in you know, thirty words or less, what is
Speaker 1: I are boomerang? Put it on the spot, well, like
Speaker 1: in football terms. Yes, it's like people that bounce off
Speaker 1: and on the injury report. I mean that's about She's
Speaker 1: very close. It's like a new it's like a new
Speaker 1: role for new listeners. You know, injured reserve used to
Speaker 1: mean you're out for the season, but now you can
Speaker 1: put a player on injured reserve and they can come
Speaker 1: back as early as I believe weeks is the earliest.
Speaker 1: But isn't it two players now? Yeah, you can do
Speaker 1: two players now that and that is I R boomerang.
Speaker 1: I believe you said bounce back. And it's sort of
Speaker 1: like the idea that the boomerang, you're sending them far
Speaker 1: out of field and you know, if it's not our frisbee,
Speaker 1: that that that things in the woods. This is almost
Speaker 1: like it almost takes Vic Fangio and John Elway off
Speaker 1: the hook because it would have been embarrassing when Kevin
Speaker 1: Kevin Helgan was their backup week one, which I think
Speaker 1: he would have been. Whether Lock was hurt or not,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that for sure, but
Speaker 1: I just think luck. One of my takeaways from this,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, preseason is just there. You know, Joe
Speaker 1: Flacco was playing this season, I would have thought, right,
Speaker 1: but even if the rest of the team is terrible
Speaker 1: or if some you know, if he doesn't play as well,
Speaker 1: if they were like one in three, I would have expected. Okay,
Speaker 1: now everyone's gonna be talking Lock Locks not playing until
Speaker 1: it's week sixteen, and if the Broncos are out of it, Like,
Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't think there's any change I'm saying.
Speaker 1: If you know, boomerang, boomerang are sort of like a
Speaker 1: side piece. You can keep them there, you know, you
Speaker 1: kind of keep them out of the limelight. You don't,
Speaker 1: you know, sorry for a while, right, but then you
Speaker 1: know what they say West they always you can always
Speaker 1: dig them back up and always dig it back up.
Speaker 1: Side piece, and someone buries Yard like because it doesn't
Speaker 1: cost you all this money, right, it doesn't. You know,
Speaker 1: you're not You're not going out to dinner every week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not going out to dinner every week. They can
Speaker 1: cost money, I would have. I mean they're they're paid
Speaker 1: a full salary, so it breaks down a little there.
Speaker 1: But by the way, has anyone ever seen they come back?
Speaker 1: Has anyone ever seen someone successfully throw a boomerang? It's impossible.
Speaker 1: I owned one as a child. Did you ever throw
Speaker 1: it and it came back to you? Or even now?
Speaker 1: You can basically go straight and then hooks right and
Speaker 1: then lands about thirty seven feet away from me. You're
Speaker 1: running now. They suck And Australian listeners you know it too.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, over under onets you're gonna
Speaker 1: get from Australia, right, and I it's another reminder of
Speaker 1: how much better life is just in general, just in
Speaker 1: terms of like quality of life now than than before
Speaker 1: in most of the world. That's about all the mental now,
Speaker 1: there's a lot. At some point though, when they invented
Speaker 1: the boomerang, it's like, Wow, that's the best entertainment option
Speaker 1: we've got, Like this is the biggest revolution that you
Speaker 1: know we've had it entertainment in decades. It was a hunting,
Speaker 1: hunting tool, I believe, So it's for sustenance and surviving
Speaker 1: with facts. Finally in the news, step behind the red velvet,
Speaker 1: Gentleman Matt Naggy's back in the headlines for all the
Speaker 1: wrong reasons. We've been tracking this. I mean, no podcast
Speaker 1: has been hitting this story harder. How the Bears have
Speaker 1: been handling their search for a kicker After the double doink,
Speaker 1: Cody Parky s I drops a hammer. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys had a chance to read this. It's
Speaker 1: required reading if this is a saga that interests you, uh,
Speaker 1: really digging in on what exactly the Bears have done
Speaker 1: uh this offseason? They brought in nine kickers nine kickers,
Speaker 1: brought him in like cattle for slaughter, and herded them
Speaker 1: together and used the bizarre scoring system that byzantine is
Speaker 1: that working to try to explain how they were progressing,
Speaker 1: and then cut them at will, had little notes, humiliated
Speaker 1: them and didn't treat them like football players. And then
Speaker 1: they were left with four and now we're down to one.
Speaker 1: Poor poor guy. Who's the last guy who I'm really
Speaker 1: scared for? I don't think he's going to be their
Speaker 1: week one kicker. And a competition usually you bring in
Speaker 1: like at most three or four kickers if you're really looking.
Speaker 1: The Bears brought in nine and and it's a really
Speaker 1: great story about in some way draconian, dude, this is
Speaker 1: it was all the kickers, like an old Hollywood casting call.
Speaker 1: If you can't take the pressure of a kicking competition,
Speaker 1: and what are you gonna do with five seconds on
Speaker 1: the cloth? Here's what Notre Dame's justin you and while
Speaker 1: you're in lockstep with Matt Naggie. But everybody else thought
Speaker 1: it was ridiculous. I was connected to it, justin you,
Speaker 1: And a kicker for Notre Dame had this to say,
Speaker 1: it's not efficient for the team to continuously beat that
Speaker 1: one dead horse the whole time. You have to build
Speaker 1: a system of confidence for your kicker. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's how the Bears are running it. And and shout
Speaker 1: out to you and for actually speaking out a lot
Speaker 1: of other kickers. They and they spoke anonymously. You know
Speaker 1: he's there are other Bears kickers. If you go look
Speaker 1: around their comments, I think what they're what they were
Speaker 1: sort of saying in general, as camp press On was
Speaker 1: exhaustion with the day to day pressure, with the forty
Speaker 1: three yards stuff, augusta silence. How soft are these I'm
Speaker 1: not arguing that they're not. I know that's what that's
Speaker 1: the point. But Bill Parcels used to walk up the
Speaker 1: Vinitary as a rookie and start putting voodoo on him
Speaker 1: and walking across his path in the It's a results business,
Speaker 1: and the Bears coaches have gotten terrible results, So shouldn't
Speaker 1: they bear some blame here that whatever they're doing? Five
Speaker 1: million dollars? Yeah, someone should have signed your buddy Myers.
Speaker 1: He was available with Jason Meyers. Can we do that?
Speaker 1: Can we start some games before we say it's not working?
Speaker 1: That's fair? I don't well, my point is this whole
Speaker 1: process isn't working, because if I could, I would. I'm
Speaker 1: guessing none of these players will play for the Bears
Speaker 1: in a regular season game, including Nettie panierro their their
Speaker 1: their kicker will be someone that's on another roster. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because then you are how much money if you sunk
Speaker 1: into airline flights and hotels and all this other and
Speaker 1: you're just gonna take Matt Ryan off the golf course
Speaker 1: in a week. Why is it? Why is it Matt
Speaker 1: Bryan playing for anybody? I don't know. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to bring up some of the Jets to quietly sign him,
Speaker 1: but you know I have a responsibility listeners to mention
Speaker 1: that he would make sense. So you think your influence
Speaker 1: is that great that audience keep stayed. Front office men
Speaker 1: in the Bears complex are now going to figure out
Speaker 1: that Matt Bryan's available. Well, him going to Floren Park.
Speaker 1: That's what's happening in the new is all right? Let's
Speaker 1: do some quick preseason Thursday takeaways. I am so tired
Speaker 1: of preseason and I respect you guys if you have
Speaker 1: a ton of notes to share on this, and we
Speaker 1: could do a beefy twenty minutes segment on the seven
Speaker 1: games that were played last night. Um, but I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna share it too much, so I'm gonna let you
Speaker 1: guys handle the bulk of this. Greg get us going.
Speaker 1: What was something from the Thursday? Please? Week one? You know,
Speaker 1: there was a very significant development in the Redskins game,
Speaker 1: which is that Darius guys played football at the pro
Speaker 1: level for the first time and looked good. And that
Speaker 1: is a big step for a guy who still hadn't
Speaker 1: been cleared until this week to to be in a
Speaker 1: game and and looked like kind of the Darius guys
Speaker 1: that we saw in highlights in college. I mean there,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say he looked great, but there were enough
Speaker 1: to build off of for a first appearance that you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a factor week one. That's a big
Speaker 1: That was a big develop. There were a couple of
Speaker 1: runs where I wondered if his speed was all there,
Speaker 1: but he laid a nasty, stiff farm on someone. They
Speaker 1: gave him the first six carries and eleven you know all,
Speaker 1: and they gave him a catch. And for me, after
Speaker 1: you know, you talk about him, you annoyed what behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, how hard they're working to get their body back.
Speaker 1: And it's a good story for a team that his
Speaker 1: weapons depleted, a team that could use some you know,
Speaker 1: good news, a team that lost a tight end last night.
Speaker 1: You know, we joke about when I make my jokes
Speaker 1: about Tyler Eifford and how I believe in him and
Speaker 1: he gets hurt every year, So don't take them seriously.
Speaker 1: With Jordan Reid, I mean, and I hope this isn't
Speaker 1: a serious head injury has well. I mean, that was
Speaker 1: one of the worst hits I've ever seen a player
Speaker 1: take to head I think any player. I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel really bad for him. And I've seen some joking
Speaker 1: Jordan read stuff today, but like, that was a vicious
Speaker 1: brain injury. And he's had He's had a lot of them.
Speaker 1: But man, that was a tough hit to watch on
Speaker 1: replay and in the preseason games. Uh we Mark and
Speaker 1: I can tag team this one because we both watched
Speaker 1: Jaguars Dolphins and um, I thought that Josh Allen the
Speaker 1: Jaguar is number one pick there are there may be
Speaker 1: a couple of teams regretting not drafting him. He is
Speaker 1: a huge player. The size speed combination is is very impressive.
Speaker 1: And he to me, he looked, like I told Mark,
Speaker 1: like a roadhouse bouncer during the middle of a midnight melee,
Speaker 1: just hip tossing guys out the saloon doors while somebody's
Speaker 1: breaking a chair over his back. He's just going through
Speaker 1: the Dolphins offensive line like they weren't there. Yes, I
Speaker 1: and I you know, and I for me, I have
Speaker 1: question marks about how the John D. Philippo and Nick
Speaker 1: Foles um offense is gonna work in their overall Doug
Speaker 1: Marown world and everything that you know. Leonard Fournette looked
Speaker 1: good last night, I thought, which was which was a
Speaker 1: nice development. But they're gonna need to keep restocking defense
Speaker 1: over and over. And Josh Allen, there's a play if
Speaker 1: you can go find this on Twitter. Obviously you're playing
Speaker 1: us at the listener anymore. Who heard that? You know
Speaker 1: there is a Dolphins right side of the line with
Speaker 1: Jesse Davis and Dion Calhoun, two guys that just got
Speaker 1: absolutely Josh Allen just to kind of both of them
Speaker 1: with his arms and just swept them aside and buried
Speaker 1: a running back like nine yards in the backfield. This
Speaker 1: is a guy that I think anyone who drafted anyone
Speaker 1: else above him, and the all the reasons to pick
Speaker 1: who they did are going to be measured by how
Speaker 1: Josh Allen does in the in The most impressive plate
Speaker 1: to me was one where he flexed out and covered
Speaker 1: a running back in the passing and I think it
Speaker 1: was Kalen Blaje and destroyed him. And you just don't
Speaker 1: see that from guys that are essentially playing a defensive
Speaker 1: line and the the announcer kept making forget who was
Speaker 1: a good point that Alan's gonna change up the way
Speaker 1: they do defense because they're always very traditional for three.
Speaker 1: But he's more of a stand up guy and when
Speaker 1: he's out there, it just makes him more flexible. And
Speaker 1: not as if that defense needed any more. Good news
Speaker 1: be fun when Josh. When Josh Rosen led that third
Speaker 1: team play ninety nine yard drive, which was impressive, I thought,
Speaker 1: all right, that's cool, and I'll do it with Josh
Speaker 1: Allen out there. Right, Josh Rosen has gotten some pop
Speaker 1: and we'll switch into that last few weeks. And he's man.
Speaker 1: He makes I said this even in Arizona, he makes
Speaker 1: some really impressive of throws and he did that in
Speaker 1: this game. But I didn't watch the game and think
Speaker 1: all like, oh, Josh Rosen made his move is it's
Speaker 1: one drive and it was against the backups. And Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: has not looked sharp in the preseason, which is worth noting.
Speaker 1: But Flora's seems to have already decided based on practices
Speaker 1: that there really isn't a competition. And Troy Aikman you
Speaker 1: tweeted about, I mean, Troy Aikman made a comment and
Speaker 1: you know, you obviously he's hearing stuff and spending time
Speaker 1: with the coaches. That it made it sound like Josh
Speaker 1: Rosen just has not really grasped the offense or picked
Speaker 1: it up the way that you'd want him to, and
Speaker 1: that they just feel more comfortable, and that Ryan Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: has looked bad in games, but the whole Fitzpatrick experience
Speaker 1: has the coaching staff feeling much more comfortable. I read behind,
Speaker 1: I read his I read his comment and basically said
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick's starting week one barring him getting you know, like
Speaker 1: a rock landing on him from the sky. You get
Speaker 1: the vibe that there's still hopefully not too big. You
Speaker 1: get the vibe that he the baggage connected to him
Speaker 1: is still there. Charlie Casserley, Uh, you know our own
Speaker 1: Charlie Castle, who was on the show. We didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance to talk about it, but Charlie made news
Speaker 1: UM earlier this year UM for making critical comments or
Speaker 1: based on a conversation he had on Josh Rosen. And
Speaker 1: you know, you wonder if he's gonna get it Rosen,
Speaker 1: but he's gonna start, right, he mean eventually, and he
Speaker 1: has made some great throws and Aikman, who you know
Speaker 1: his has seen in Rosen play a lot u c
Speaker 1: l A Grant. I mean he said he thinks he's
Speaker 1: one of the most talented throwers he's ever seen period.
Speaker 1: Roen just coming from Choi Aikman, and I can kind
Speaker 1: of see why you would say that. Man, he has
Speaker 1: he has two or three every game that are just
Speaker 1: their unbelievable play. So at some point they're just gonna
Speaker 1: want to see that. That offensive line looks so bad
Speaker 1: that I don't know there, no one's gonna succeed there.
Speaker 1: He's like the most mobile guy, and but he made
Speaker 1: a nice throw and he kind of rolled out and
Speaker 1: put one right in the receiver's hands, rolled to his right. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the tools are definitely there. Speaking of tools, the young
Speaker 1: quarterbacks Daniel Joe continues to look really good for the
Speaker 1: Giants Danny Dines, which is nice. I saw that to
Speaker 1: pop up. Uh, and you know he's twenty five or thirty.
Speaker 1: He don't read too much into preseason stats, obviously, but
Speaker 1: thirty three sixty two touchdowns. He's lost some fumbles, but
Speaker 1: hasn't thrown an interception, taken two sacks, and Eli's barely
Speaker 1: played and this is the best possible outcome for Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1: What's happened the last three weeks that he is planted
Speaker 1: that seed now in not just Pat Shermer's mind, but
Speaker 1: all the way up the front office chain, that you've
Speaker 1: got a kid here that looks like he can handle it,
Speaker 1: like he is not. You're not hearing any reports about
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. Uh, he's not. He's too raw, he's not
Speaker 1: ready yet. And on the field he doesn't look that way.
Speaker 1: And I was thinking about it with when you'll take
Speaker 1: a look at the last let's say, you know, a
Speaker 1: year and a half now, when the Giants made the
Speaker 1: decision to take se Kwon Barkley, UM and Sam Donald
Speaker 1: went the next pick to the Yets. And if Donald
Speaker 1: turns into an All Pro and wins the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: and UM all that, the Giants will always look bad.
Speaker 1: But you know what if Barkley, who has all the
Speaker 1: tools to be a Hall of Fame running back, let's
Speaker 1: face it, and he had the best rookie year arguably
Speaker 1: of any running back ever last year. If even if
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is what Andy Dalton, you can't really kill
Speaker 1: the Giants for the decision they made if Barkley is
Speaker 1: as special as that, if you went the next year
Speaker 1: and got a quarterback who can be good to pair
Speaker 1: with a potential all time running back. And I don't
Speaker 1: want to get to hyperbolic there, maybe they didn't mess
Speaker 1: it up so bad. Well Barkley is Jim Brown, for instance,
Speaker 1: then okay, you're gonna look back and say, no one.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone says that Barkley is the suspect
Speaker 1: part of what they did. It was just not planning
Speaker 1: around the quarterback or hoping that they looked into one
Speaker 1: this year. If Daniel Jones works out, it's Dave Getleman,
Speaker 1: and we already you know, there's already the jokes out
Speaker 1: on Twitter, which make a lot of sense about Dave
Speaker 1: Getleman sitting back in his easy chair in his office
Speaker 1: saying f you to essentially Mike Francesca and every single
Speaker 1: media person ever that ripped on me. He's got to
Speaker 1: enjoy it, like I'm kind of a Daniel Jones makes
Speaker 1: the Giants more fun to watch. One of the things
Speaker 1: I liked in this game because he's had really good
Speaker 1: past protection in general, and so quarterbacks are gonna look
Speaker 1: better that way. But he did have a couple of
Speaker 1: throws against pressure in this game, and he's not afraid
Speaker 1: to just rip it there down thirty five yards with
Speaker 1: pressure in his face, and it almost makes it made
Speaker 1: me think about that. I I think I've been a
Speaker 1: little anti Giants over the years on this podcast, But um,
Speaker 1: I think once the Daniel Jones era starts, that's all
Speaker 1: over and I'm gonna enjoy Dave Gentelman just like bringing
Speaker 1: up the Daniel Jones draft pick in every conversation and
Speaker 1: talking trash to basically every reporter forever if that happens,
Speaker 1: and you'd be delightful. And I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: you can talk about him all day, but you mentioned it.
Speaker 1: Their line, You've got Kevin Zeidler, Will Hernandez. Looks like
Speaker 1: they've found someone very stable for long. Their line was
Speaker 1: such a disaster for so along that he stepped in
Speaker 1: at the perfect time. They So there's a problem, though,
Speaker 1: I think that's under the range was given him the business.
Speaker 1: There was a sequence with Jones where he completed a
Speaker 1: downfield pass about thirty five yards, then got wallped, got
Speaker 1: destroyed on like almost like a double hit from each
Speaker 1: side lost the ball got up and then one or
Speaker 1: two plays later, Standard stood tall in the pocket and
Speaker 1: put one right down to the goal line that led
Speaker 1: to a touchdown. Like that stuff is pretty impressive. One
Speaker 1: note on Eli. I think it's worth noting that David Deal,
Speaker 1: former Giants offensive lineman, told Anthony Monio's current Bengals UH
Speaker 1: analyst that he hasn't seen Eli throw with this much
Speaker 1: velocity in a number of years. I feel like some
Speaker 1: former Giant Eli teammates says that every I mean, but
Speaker 1: every quarterback is getting that compliment this summer. It's got
Speaker 1: a little hair as like it looks, you know, but
Speaker 1: then you watch you watch anything he's throwing deep, and
Speaker 1: then you watch Daniel Jones, and who do you want
Speaker 1: anybody else throw out? I would say, I looked at
Speaker 1: the Raven Eagles game, and who knows what's going to
Speaker 1: happen with either one of these quarterbacks this year. But
Speaker 1: it was interesting to watch the journey of my boy,
Speaker 1: Trace McSorley, who I've brought up a few times on
Speaker 1: this show. Number One, I love what the Ravens did here.
Speaker 1: There was one play in the very early part of
Speaker 1: the game where they essentially handed it off to later
Speaker 1: a running back to Justice Hill where on a play
Speaker 1: where they had three offensive linemen in front of him
Speaker 1: and six people like split out wide. The plague totally failed,
Speaker 1: but I loved it. But McSorley in general like looked
Speaker 1: interesting to me enough where I think you could find
Speaker 1: ways to use him to some degree on the field
Speaker 1: in places. If you were going to do that with
Speaker 1: r G three, I would rather do it try it
Speaker 1: with Trace. McSorley at this point made the team last night.
Speaker 1: He should have. And then I think on the other side,
Speaker 1: Josh McCown, it kind of just shows you that, I mean,
Speaker 1: there was a play where at some point they feel
Speaker 1: like in four or five days he's learned the protections
Speaker 1: and the entire scheme to such a degree and audibles
Speaker 1: that he did so much pre snap that he walked
Speaker 1: over during a time out to the sideline and Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz and the coaches were all giggling with him because
Speaker 1: they couldn't believe how much he picked up and that
Speaker 1: you can just roam around network television for a while
Speaker 1: or cable television and then if you've done this long enough,
Speaker 1: roll back into a team and unfurled two hundreds something
Speaker 1: yards and make J. J. R Sego Whiteside look like
Speaker 1: he should be on the first team offense quarterback, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, but McCown still has it. And it makes
Speaker 1: me wonder either some of the backups around the league
Speaker 1: and say, you did not yank Josh McCown had retirement.
Speaker 1: Some of these clowns roaming. You got Kevin Hogan? Please,
Speaker 1: he played against first team or his last year and
Speaker 1: couldn't play anymore. I'm not saying Josh Josh McCown is
Speaker 1: always going to be Josh McCown, though he's going to
Speaker 1: come in and do something. I love Josh McCown some
Speaker 1: bad things the right. His first three drives last night,
Speaker 1: it looked like he should have stayed in retirement, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden he caught fire. If the
Speaker 1: Eagles front office decided to do it, they're front office
Speaker 1: side by in two right now. And so I like
Speaker 1: the move. I am wary of UH. I hate the move.
Speaker 1: I like it. I'm wary of buying into UH any preseason,
Speaker 1: but this does look like the best Patriots defensive a
Speaker 1: little while, and in that game. Again, it's the preseason.
Speaker 1: But if Cam Newton hadn't got hurt, the story would
Speaker 1: have been. You know, the Panthers starting offense got steam rolled.
Speaker 1: They had They averaged less than two yards per play
Speaker 1: against the Patriots when the two starters were out there
Speaker 1: like they were just guys are flying all over and
Speaker 1: it's guys who have been in the system a long time,
Speaker 1: and it's a very deep secondary. I think Belichick is
Speaker 1: loving that he's the coordinator for this specific defense because
Speaker 1: I think they're primed. Can I ask one question, why
Speaker 1: are we going up to uh is it the Ottawa
Speaker 1: Blue Bombers field and finding out hours before the game
Speaker 1: that the NFL teams don't like where the end zona's
Speaker 1: position and suddenly we're playing an NFL preseason game on
Speaker 1: an eight yard field that looks somewhat suspect to begin with.
Speaker 1: I know there's probably people even inside this building that
Speaker 1: would be annoyed in bringing that up, But like, why
Speaker 1: aren't we three or four months ahead of times scoping
Speaker 1: that out and saying this is appropriate and we have
Speaker 1: teams sign off or we don't. I was like, are
Speaker 1: they going to count the stats from this game? This
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. They're played on an eight yard and this
Speaker 1: comes what this comes a year after Mexico City fiasco
Speaker 1: where the field was wet so they couldn't get it
Speaker 1: safe enough for the players, I mean the Packers for
Speaker 1: for those who hadn't heard the story, they were going
Speaker 1: to play their starters in this game. The Raiders were
Speaker 1: not anyways, but they decided not to because of this
Speaker 1: ad yard funky. The Packers lost first round linebacker Rashaun Garrett. Well,
Speaker 1: we don't know how serious it is, but carted off
Speaker 1: the field? Can I do it real quickly? Round field?
Speaker 1: Ryan Finley, Bengals quarterback. I think they have something impressive there.
Speaker 1: They've got something interesting behind Andy Dalton, he has looked
Speaker 1: really good three weeks in a row. Accurate, savvy um
Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown Ravens rookie first rounder back in plane finally
Speaker 1: looked pretty good And my favorite thing of the preseason
Speaker 1: so far. Matt Millen back in the booth. This we
Speaker 1: thought he was on death doorstep. He was, to quote
Speaker 1: damnit Scheck, not just surviving but living. He's dropping lines
Speaker 1: like h like later Raiders linebackers drop in interceptions, and
Speaker 1: he says, I got I've seen better hands on the clock.
Speaker 1: A great broadcaster, and it annoys me, of course, he's
Speaker 1: going to be remembered for his time as the general manager,
Speaker 1: and he's gone to college in terms of broadcasting. But
Speaker 1: people are like, why should we listen to Matt Millan?
Speaker 1: Like as it brought, It's like, well, what does a
Speaker 1: lot of broadcasting? It doesn't mean that you're not a
Speaker 1: smart person who's really good. He's always been one of
Speaker 1: my favorite announcers. It's a different skill set. Matt Millen
Speaker 1: got a heart transplant. You cannot be closer to death
Speaker 1: store than when you you literally have your heart taken
Speaker 1: out of your body and you're given the heart of
Speaker 1: another human being. That's pretty cool living up Matt Millan.
Speaker 1: By the way, it is Winnipeg, not Ottawa. For the
Speaker 1: people in Canada that we're about to tweeted me don't
Speaker 1: want to hear about it. It can love Cannada, beautiful nation.
Speaker 1: That's what's happening in the preseason. Let's go Week one.
Speaker 1: Get here. Greg wrote a banger, There's no two ways
Speaker 1: around it. Two thousand nine. Here's the headline NFL dot
Speaker 1: Com The headlines, what is it? You had something to
Speaker 1: do with it? Two thousand nineteen NFL preseason Colon training
Speaker 1: Camp Surprises for all thirty two teams like that a
Speaker 1: little bit s c oh, but quite direct. Uh. So
Speaker 1: you went through every team you threw out a surprise. So, Greg,
Speaker 1: why don't you kind of steer the ship here with
Speaker 1: of your list of thirty two surprises? And actually, if
Speaker 1: you if you read the piece, Mark, did you read it?
Speaker 1: I know you did outline this highlights highlight this guy's
Speaker 1: prepped start fired today, Mark Um, if you read it
Speaker 1: the way, Mark, did you know you get more than
Speaker 1: thirty two surprises? Hereses, I'd say there are fifty seven
Speaker 1: surprises bridged id let's say forty six to fifty seven
Speaker 1: surprises in this content. Greg, that list of seven, what
Speaker 1: were some of yours that you like the most? Were
Speaker 1: the most interesting intriguing? Well, Quentin Williams is start at
Speaker 1: nose tackle didn't take According to Connor Hughes of the Athletic.
Speaker 1: You know, they thought they'd huge start inside between Henry
Speaker 1: Anderson uh and Leonard Williams, and I think they've decided
Speaker 1: that's not his best position. I don't think this is
Speaker 1: a huge deal, but I think he's gonna probably start
Speaker 1: the year rotating, you know, maybe coming off the bench,
Speaker 1: which to me was a little bit of a surprise
Speaker 1: learning that, and they're waiting. Doesn't mean he hasn't looked
Speaker 1: good in in the preseason, but he's not going to
Speaker 1: be a guy who just steps out there and is
Speaker 1: playing fifty snaps. Maybe trade Leonard Williams to the Texans
Speaker 1: for Jadeveon Clowney and then slide over Quentin Williams to
Speaker 1: the end. Or he could play every snap and then
Speaker 1: you have a game changing clowning in the mix as well.
Speaker 1: It's not that crazy. I've warm it up to your
Speaker 1: trade idea. How many defensive linemen are they gonna move
Speaker 1: over the course of four or five years? That's what
Speaker 1: they do. There's a chur and it's an there's always
Speaker 1: chur And in the NFL, mark exact lest year the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and you resigned the entire position group and stay
Speaker 1: strong for the next six seven years. What was that?
Speaker 1: The sons of anarchy? What Wilkerson? Richard? Oh yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: that was it? Grown up and moved on? What else, Craig?
Speaker 1: How about DJ Chark? Remember him in the first round
Speaker 1: pick of the Jaguars a year ago, who had kind
Speaker 1: of a disastrous wasn't at the top of the second round. Uh,
Speaker 1: he is now one of their top three receivers. They
Speaker 1: came into the season knowing who their top three receivers are,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't include Marquise Lee, and it doesn't include
Speaker 1: Keelan Cole who we used to uh, you know write
Speaker 1: Hosan is about the bank on this podcast. And so
Speaker 1: it's now Chris Conley he used to be with Kansas City.
Speaker 1: It's d D. Westbrook who Uh, Mark's boy John D.
Speaker 1: Philippo said is the best route runner he's ever coached,
Speaker 1: which includes Stefon Diggs and Adam is in your stable
Speaker 1: of boys Mark in two no reason not to think
Speaker 1: he's a great guy. And uh, it's d J. Chark
Speaker 1: who ESPN called their preseason training camp m v P.
Speaker 1: So he kind of came out of nowhere and he's
Speaker 1: going to have a role in there. Speaking of a
Speaker 1: preseason and training camp m vps. And this was a
Speaker 1: bit of a saucy subject on the Fantasy Extravaganza. Both
Speaker 1: The Athletic and ESPN named the Shawan Jackson the Eagles
Speaker 1: training Camp m v P, which Greg Astuteley points out
Speaker 1: not a sentence he expected to write in nineteen Um
Speaker 1: is it possible that we get a vintage D Jacks. Yes,
Speaker 1: I have. I think him in Tampa last year. He's
Speaker 1: been so underrated that he's looked like the same de
Speaker 1: Shaun Jackson the whole time. But Jameis Winston is not
Speaker 1: great throwing the deep ball, and that just wasn't a
Speaker 1: very good offense in general, and that he's looked really good.
Speaker 1: That's my opinion. What is a vintage D ject season.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look that up. While you guys argue eight
Speaker 1: yards four touched him at his peak, he was a
Speaker 1: guy who could average eighteen to twenty yards per sept.
Speaker 1: He's just I can't remember a guy that old fast.
Speaker 1: Maybe I mean Darryl Green. Certainly there, there's certainly been something,
Speaker 1: but man, he hasn't lost any speed. He led the
Speaker 1: NFL in yards perception last year at eighteen point nine
Speaker 1: over one catches. Dan, I think you're not you're gonna
Speaker 1: like that. This is out there. This caught my eye.
Speaker 1: Down in Carolina, a long time Panthers veteran kicker Graham
Speaker 1: Gano could lose his job to someone named Joey Sly.
Speaker 1: Sounds fake, which is an even bigger surprise than cam
Speaker 1: Newton's deep all reported looking better than ever during camp
Speaker 1: until we say, you're welcome on the kicking corner. But
Speaker 1: I want to keep these good kickers are gonna get
Speaker 1: You need a hush hush off the radar. And I
Speaker 1: was gonna be kicking for the Bears, right, one of
Speaker 1: these guys is for the Bears. You know, maybe I
Speaker 1: wouldn't mind the brows of you guys gonna have Sam ficking.
Speaker 1: I don't want to. And maybe it's is someone got
Speaker 1: a trade for Sly who has preparedively. Heesless looked so good,
Speaker 1: and Goo had a pretty iffy year last year. And
Speaker 1: I was just not healthy yet. That's that's part to
Speaker 1: the issue. Slide's got a leg. I want that's a
Speaker 1: good jersey, Joey Slack, that's a great what happened a
Speaker 1: great name? Who do you want? Sam Ficken? Joey Sly?
Speaker 1: You could trust him. He'll get the job done. Maybe
Speaker 1: can't trust him actually, but you know he'll get it done.
Speaker 1: He'll get what he wants. Right. I think it was
Speaker 1: good that you noted all these for like the third
Speaker 1: or fourth year in a real this pile up of
Speaker 1: maladies and injuries in San Francisco. It feels I feel
Speaker 1: like ten years from now we're gonna get um, like
Speaker 1: an Aaron Brockovich type movie about what is happening to
Speaker 1: the drinking water around the facility. I mean it's it's
Speaker 1: like something is going on here and it's ridiculous. I mean,
Speaker 1: something unusual is one. That's the football movie we need. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know Carlos Hide not so long ago, was you know,
Speaker 1: the golden Boy in San Francisco and didn't work out
Speaker 1: in Cleveland and bounced around. And now Greg I'm quite
Speaker 1: a surprise potentially that he might not even make the
Speaker 1: final fifty three in Kansas City. Gave him eight hundred
Speaker 1: thousand guaranteed. And this is where our editors, you know,
Speaker 1: Gennaro Police, what a great jot or I had the
Speaker 1: wrong signed bonus. He just he just fixed it. Didn't
Speaker 1: even say brag about it. I noticed that when I
Speaker 1: reread it, I was like, oh, sorry, he got they
Speaker 1: got there almost a million dollars. And Darwin Thompson and
Speaker 1: former cornerback Traymont Smith, who's like a special teamer who
Speaker 1: converted to running back just a few weeks ago, is
Speaker 1: going to make the team over Carlos Side. It's a
Speaker 1: bad sign if you're Carlos Side. Quick breaking news, breaking news.
Speaker 1: Ricky Hollywood Taylor Luan, who the All Pro Titans left tackle,
Speaker 1: who made it in passionate plea when word got out
Speaker 1: that he was going to be suspended for violating the
Speaker 1: league's performance enhancing UH substances policy. Well, it didn't work out.
Speaker 1: His his appeal to the league didn't change anything, so
Speaker 1: he's he's out. The first four games of the twenty
Speaker 1: s did a light detector test, which many people apparently
Speaker 1: don't believe it. Also, if you, I mean I understand
Speaker 1: scientifically run up on teller Luan at all. I mean
Speaker 1: I know many facts. There are some interesting facts about
Speaker 1: the tailor one out there. I'm just saying I don't
Speaker 1: know the guys. I believe it was an impassioned plea.
Speaker 1: Have you watched the current season of Mind Hunter? Uh,
Speaker 1: I will be doing that soon. One of the serial
Speaker 1: killers they find a book stash in his in his
Speaker 1: drawer how to beat a light detector test, and then
Speaker 1: he proceeded to beat the lot of lot of tector tests. Um,
Speaker 1: let's go on, Greg, how about the Steelers defense? I
Speaker 1: went west to jump in here too. Let's talk some
Speaker 1: Sam Aguavin. Okay, now you know how to say his name, Sam, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's been running with the starters the Dolphins. This guy's
Speaker 1: while Kiko Alonso is out with an undisclosed injury and
Speaker 1: Greg has opined may not even make the team. Sam Aguavin,
Speaker 1: former CFL player, is playing alongside Sam Baker, who looks
Speaker 1: really good. Yeah, Jerome Baker who looked Yeah, he had
Speaker 1: Jerome break game and he's supposedly look good. This is
Speaker 1: what happens when new coaches come in. Sometimes there they
Speaker 1: had a second round, picking Rae Kwon McMillan, who might
Speaker 1: not make the team, Kiko Alonso, who is kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, with the old regime, and they've got their
Speaker 1: their new guys. If nothing else, they gotta try some
Speaker 1: young players and see what happens. Kigo Alonso is kind
Speaker 1: of a good villain to have on your team. He's
Speaker 1: a he's an esther. I could see him landing with
Speaker 1: the Raiders about three weeks. How about the Steelers defensive back.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's been a trouble spot forever and
Speaker 1: maybe this is just camp pipe Like I'm not too
Speaker 1: excited about Steven Nelson, who they gave a lot of
Speaker 1: money to was a Chief's cornerback. But they they're saying
Speaker 1: Cameron Sutton and Already Burns, who are two pretty high
Speaker 1: draft picks, both had really good camps, especially Sutton, and
Speaker 1: that Edmunds, their safety who was their first round pick
Speaker 1: a year a go to, is really coming out in
Speaker 1: his second year. Joe Hayden, who they've really loved. I
Speaker 1: think they're going to give him a long term contract. Uh,
Speaker 1: since he's been in Pittsburgh. Suddenly that secondary looks pretty good.
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin has the has the defense, Like, why is
Speaker 1: this defense not good? It should be really good. I
Speaker 1: I don't know why. It's like, there's no excuse for
Speaker 1: it not to be a top eight to ten defense.
Speaker 1: I think it's really talented. People are very annoyed with
Speaker 1: our ability to constantly bag on the Detroit Lions. But
Speaker 1: you didn't note that Matthew Stafford's practice reports, et cetera
Speaker 1: have been up and down. It's throwing with a lot
Speaker 1: of zip this summer. Well, where are we are we
Speaker 1: feeling good? I mean, I don't know what to expect.
Speaker 1: It's Darryl Bevil, who's kind who changes his offenses depending
Speaker 1: on what team. He said, but that they've just been
Speaker 1: you know, you had those joint practices with the Patriots
Speaker 1: Stafford and just in general, the writers there have just
Speaker 1: been saying that the offense just hasn't had a going
Speaker 1: and you worry about that a little bit with a
Speaker 1: veteran quarterback. Are we sure they've shown up the camp yet?
Speaker 1: That I was a few years ago. You've gotten on
Speaker 1: them for not showing us. Have we seen their first
Speaker 1: team offense at all? They didn't, Yeah, and they didn't
Speaker 1: were Their first team defensive line is just now getting
Speaker 1: back healthy. Almost all of those guys have been heard
Speaker 1: at some point. Well, they're playing the Cardinals in Week one,
Speaker 1: so we know that Arizona is keeping it under wraps.
Speaker 1: Detroit saying we're gonna do the same thing. We're not
Speaker 1: gonna show you anything, and we're gonna unveil our mess massively,
Speaker 1: run heavy offense and surprise you just as much Cardinals defense.
Speaker 1: And you know what the Cardinals defense, well, against the
Speaker 1: Cardinals defense, they might be fine. Uh. Jamis Winson has
Speaker 1: always had a you know a bit of a sneaky
Speaker 1: dad bod um. If you remember hard knocks, you know,
Speaker 1: in a shirtless scenes. You know, he's obviously a well
Speaker 1: built he's an incredible, you know, athlete, but not cut
Speaker 1: out of stone like other professionals. Uh. Well, no, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have the pipes of Derek Carr. But he's got
Speaker 1: the bod working right now. Greg, And you know what
Speaker 1: that means. You can just tell it in his face.
Speaker 1: What does it mean? I don't know. He's gonna the
Speaker 1: V page. Okay, usually it doesn't mean anything. I mean,
Speaker 1: it doesn't. It doesn't take much for me to find
Speaker 1: something positive to say about Jamis Winston going at least
Speaker 1: just like hoping that he's gonna turn around. But you
Speaker 1: could tell when he was scrambling, and he's always been
Speaker 1: an underrated scramble. I think he's a pretty good scrambler.
Speaker 1: But you can just tell he's quicker this year. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's lost some weight. His face just looks like it's
Speaker 1: college Jamis. You know what they have, They're gonna have
Speaker 1: such a hard decision. Bucks. Let's say he has a
Speaker 1: better season and he's a little bit more consistent, he
Speaker 1: keeps his nose clean and turns the ball over a
Speaker 1: little bit less. Maybe the Bucks don't go anywhere. But
Speaker 1: he shows some growth in the Bruce Arians era. Are
Speaker 1: they going to give him like a massive contract? The thing,
Speaker 1: I'd say, going to be in a very tough spot
Speaker 1: and this big decision. It was Jason Light's pick. He's
Speaker 1: just been extended and if if he has that good year,
Speaker 1: it looks like right, I mean, well really is that?
Speaker 1: What do you think? Yeah? I mean he buys him
Speaker 1: a year to to make up their mind whether it's
Speaker 1: real or not. It's a fair thought. The word, oh
Speaker 1: he could go to Kirk Cousins out or what signed
Speaker 1: for that kind of the Bucks could just drag it
Speaker 1: out if they don't believe, they don't believe that, you
Speaker 1: know they want to give him a mega contract? Yeah,
Speaker 1: West Neil, that is what I'm say. What if that
Speaker 1: team goes five and I don't know that at some point,
Speaker 1: can we not be totally roster and eleven? I don't
Speaker 1: think you start? Yeah? I need progress for sure? Anything else?
Speaker 1: Anybody want to jump in with one of their own
Speaker 1: or Greg another one of yours? All right? That that's that?
Speaker 1: It's Friday. I mean, is um good stuff? Greg checking
Speaker 1: out nfl dot com. Slash Rosenthal a real banger. You'll
Speaker 1: you'll notice the bangers. There's an uptick in bangers now
Speaker 1: as Week one approaches. Mark, you've you've had bangers. West,
Speaker 1: You've had bangers. West had a great piece on all
Speaker 1: the all the rookies to keep an eye on. Let's
Speaker 1: have a good training camp. Thank you. This week we
Speaker 1: should talk about that. Let's get into it, Let's extend
Speaker 1: the pod. Let's do it next week. I by the
Speaker 1: way of a surprise banger that could come out any
Speaker 1: time between tonight and Yeah, Mark, not no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we can't say anymore. You can't say more. No, we
Speaker 1: absolutely cannot. Well, we can say that you pre wrote
Speaker 1: an obituary. People do that in news organizations. I just
Speaker 1: won't say. Batista is generally the go to pre write
Speaker 1: oh bit writer at this company. She writes a lot
Speaker 1: of it. I'm not even joking, but they trusted Mark
Speaker 1: for a big one. It puts you in a weird
Speaker 1: spot because not that actually this, but it's like, do
Speaker 1: I really want to wait thirty five years for this
Speaker 1: piece to come out? It's like, you know or you
Speaker 1: is it okay to call an obituary a banger? I mean,
Speaker 1: that's so I would call it the last word at
Speaker 1: our text Jade, he called it a long form. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're doing words or something on this. What's well, it's
Speaker 1: it's a major figure. This individual better you know, at
Speaker 1: some point expire, because that would just be a waste
Speaker 1: of a lot of work. At some point they will,
Speaker 1: I just will our organizations. Still, you know, the file
Speaker 1: could get lost in the mix, right, Like, I hope
Speaker 1: this doesn't happen, but it's certainly possible that you could
Speaker 1: perish before this person or any one of them totally
Speaker 1: total marks Mark's status of employment. This company could perish.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna run it? Then, I did think about that,
Speaker 1: like it's like this down, like I don't want to
Speaker 1: get into someone else's business. But like you know, if
Speaker 1: if if Judy, let's say, you know that there's different
Speaker 1: you know, everyone knows talent as contracts. But when her
Speaker 1: contract is up, can't you just be like, well, what
Speaker 1: are you gonna do with the thirty five oh bits
Speaker 1: I wrote? You gotta bring me back? You can't run those? Uh,
Speaker 1: if I'm no longer with the company, good negotiating a
Speaker 1: great leverage. I guess you could yank the byline so
Speaker 1: I'm a businessman and that's how I've been thinking, saving
Speaker 1: for the morbidcast um. All right, before we go, a
Speaker 1: couple of news, Greg, you want to get a little
Speaker 1: plug in your your A little side pod is coming back.
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't. I didn't know where you're going to promote? Oh? Yes,
Speaker 1: the leaving soon enough. The jessel Nick and Rosenthal Vanity
Speaker 1: Project is coming back to Comedy Central podcast for a
Speaker 1: season two starting September three. So people should catch up,
Speaker 1: you know the old episodes. Catch up now and Ricky,
Speaker 1: by the way, connect the dots. Ricky's doing this unnamed
Speaker 1: fantasy project with rank where she's on camera. She is
Speaker 1: a big part of the jessel Nick Rosenthal Show. She's
Speaker 1: not gonna be sitting behind the glass too much longer.
Speaker 1: It's just we're like when you're you're in middle school
Speaker 1: and you moved to a completely different part of the country,
Speaker 1: you go to a different school, you become a high
Speaker 1: school person. You say you're gonna keep in touch with
Speaker 1: all those middle school friends back in Minnesota. By the
Speaker 1: time you're in a sophomore in high school, you'ven you
Speaker 1: will never speak to any of them ever again. She's
Speaker 1: kind of bird you can keep caged, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'd never leave you guys. Well you say that now,
Speaker 1: Well we'll play that in the episode where we say
Speaker 1: goodbye to you. Clip that. And we heard Connie Fox earlier.
Speaker 1: She was on the latest Throwback Pod where we talked
Speaker 1: about her seat her senior year of high school August
Speaker 1: two thousand two. Some bangers in that are I mean,
Speaker 1: you're revealing her age, which I don't think it is
Speaker 1: a problem, but just done that. She is, you know,
Speaker 1: Connie's she is without any type of you know, some
Speaker 1: people get sensitive about that. Connie is that one of them?
Speaker 1: That's I think that's a fair assessment. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: not assessing differently. I was just saying factually, people could
Speaker 1: put together what her ages if they were curious. They
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have thought about it. But then from the
Speaker 1: show apology, So check that out at Throwback Pod. Um,
Speaker 1: and let's let's all have a nice weekend. Let's have
Speaker 1: a safe weekend. Okay, all right, you guys are ready
Speaker 1: to go, signing off for Quiet Storm, the Mailman, the
Speaker 1: old Boss. I could sit here all day. You guys
Speaker 1: are ready to go, and Regularity behind the glass go
Speaker 1: for it until Monday m