Speaker 1: On the Doe Cast, the questions asked if movies have
Speaker 1: women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? The patriarchy ze in best
Speaker 1: start changing it with the bel Cast. Hello and welcome
Speaker 1: to the Beckdel Cast. My name is Caitlin, my name
Speaker 1: is Jamie, and we're here to talk about movies. But
Speaker 1: what about the portrayal of women characters? Yeah, that's like
Speaker 1: that interesting angle, very interesting angle. I pitched it one
Speaker 1: time to someone. They're like, here's a million dollars. I've
Speaker 1: never heard such a great idea. It was me. Thank
Speaker 1: you again for that. I had dollar dollars. Yes, I've
Speaker 1: been spending it wisely. You'll be happy to know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we give it all the Aristotle. What are you doing
Speaker 1: with an Aristotle? He's buying bottles of smear knof ice
Speaker 1: to ice us with. Oh that's what he's doing. Do
Speaker 1: you think we've consumed a million dollars? Do you think
Speaker 1: anyone's ever consumed a million dollars worth of smear knot ice? No,
Speaker 1: but I think you're well on your way to consuming
Speaker 1: a million dollars with a Mike's Hard lemonade, you know,
Speaker 1: what that's uh, kind of mean to say, but also
Speaker 1: maybe you're not wrong. Well judgment on my part. Well,
Speaker 1: if we're breaking it down financially, that's five hundred thousand mics.
Speaker 1: Aren't lemonades. They only cost two dollars. Well, it's a
Speaker 1: cost effective road to ruin. Sure, there's time, there's time yet. Yes,
Speaker 1: So anyway, we're talking about the portrayal of women in movies.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's okay, Sometimes it's not. Often it's not. It's
Speaker 1: inspired by the Bechdel Test, which requires that a movie
Speaker 1: has two female characters. They have to have names, they
Speaker 1: have to talk to each other, and their conversation has
Speaker 1: to be about something other than Is that so much
Speaker 1: to ask? Apparently it is sometimes because a lot of
Speaker 1: movies don't pass the Bechdel tests. Because we're talking about
Speaker 1: an older movie today, Yeah, what what I'm saying about.
Speaker 1: You watched an older movie that I asked you to watch,
Speaker 1: called The wom and you did not like it, right you?
Speaker 1: You referenced it several times on the podcast. I was like,
Speaker 1: I should watch this movie. I don't like it for
Speaker 1: a number of reasons. First of all, I'm sorry they
Speaker 1: do spend the entire movie talking about men and how
Speaker 1: they're all very distraught, but they're talking about it like this, right,
Speaker 1: that's it's so much fun. Another reason I don't like
Speaker 1: I struggle with a lot of movies from that era
Speaker 1: because the acting style drives me nuts. That's what it
Speaker 1: sounds like. But we're talking about a movie that I
Speaker 1: like much better than that. But before we jump in,
Speaker 1: let's introduce our guests. That sounds wonderful. She's a comedian.
Speaker 1: She's done a one woman show at the Fringe Festival
Speaker 1: called let Me Be Your Main Man, and she's in
Speaker 1: a movie coming out called The Fields. Ever Maynard, Hello, Hi,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here, Thank you for
Speaker 1: having me. Also, the Fields would pass the bichel Tesk.
Speaker 1: What about the female orgasm? Oh my god, there should
Speaker 1: be a version of the back to test where there
Speaker 1: has to be a conversation about women coming there's it's
Speaker 1: like a subtest. I bet almost no movie would pass.
Speaker 1: I can't even I'm trying to think of movies that like,
Speaker 1: you see a woman like come on screen, and I'm
Speaker 1: thinking Pleasantville. Do you remember when her mom in the
Speaker 1: bath master bates in the bathtub and then a tree
Speaker 1: catches on fire, and then that prevented me from coming
Speaker 1: forest fire. Only you can cause forest fires by orgasm.
Speaker 1: What an incredible notion to place in people's heads. For
Speaker 1: a women, You'll burn down our florends. What's the what's
Speaker 1: what's the movie today? Oh? My god, the movie today
Speaker 1: is The Wizard of Oz. This is a special episode
Speaker 1: because it's not only your favorite movie ever, but also Jamie,
Speaker 1: it's your favorite movie. I mean, I love it. I
Speaker 1: I've seen it dozens of times, you know, I first
Speaker 1: saw it as a Kid's probably one of the first
Speaker 1: movies I ever saw. My mom made it a point
Speaker 1: to be like, Caitlin, you're a personnel with consciousness, Like
Speaker 1: your infantile amnesia is over. You can watch movies. Now
Speaker 1: watch this movie. So I probably first saw it when
Speaker 1: I was like four or five years old. Uh, and
Speaker 1: I've been watching it on a regular basis ever since.
Speaker 1: What about you? Ever when it was the first time
Speaker 1: you saw it pretty young as well? Yeah, but it
Speaker 1: used to come on we would watch it every Thanksgiving. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a weird thing. And then it would come on
Speaker 1: TV um around Christmas. So it was this weird thing.
Speaker 1: And then my aunt had a hs so and then
Speaker 1: my mom had a h it's brag. It sounds like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, I don't even know what the letters and
Speaker 1: for it it. Oh wow, video yeah, video something system. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what's We'll never know what that age stand for. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to google it. I'm trying to be
Speaker 1: better at not googling things when I don't know what
Speaker 1: they are, and to just exist in not knowing things. Oh,
Speaker 1: I could never do that. I have to know. I
Speaker 1: want to get as dumb as possible. When to do
Speaker 1: first the Wizard of Oz. I don't remember the first time,
Speaker 1: but I went through, Like I saw it a bunch
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, and then for some reason,
Speaker 1: when I was in middle school, I saw it again
Speaker 1: and that time got really really really into it for
Speaker 1: like a couple of years. Right where like and I
Speaker 1: had like a huge like my mom gave me her
Speaker 1: old jewelry box at some point, I think because it
Speaker 1: was broken there was no jewelry or jewelry, but I
Speaker 1: used it to house my Wizard of Oz collection. You
Speaker 1: have a collection bracelets, nicklass, t shirts, posters, the bake underwear.
Speaker 1: Come on, Yeah, I and I like had five different
Speaker 1: VHS editions of like and my I think my family
Speaker 1: for a couple of years would just go to like
Speaker 1: Good Wills to search for Wizard of Oz ship to
Speaker 1: how it is. Yeah, that's so crazy. It was so
Speaker 1: like I and and by extension, I like was obsessed
Speaker 1: with Judy Garland in middle school of a tape all
Speaker 1: of her Like they would have a birthday marathon for
Speaker 1: her on Turner Classic Movies every year, and I would
Speaker 1: tape them onto my little VHS tapes, And man, what
Speaker 1: a year for Judy Garland. Both of my favorite Judy
Speaker 1: Garland movies came out that year. Well, I'm also a
Speaker 1: big old Mickey Rooney head. And my favorite Andy Hardy
Speaker 1: movie she did came out that year. To mean ed Hardy,
Speaker 1: You're right, You're right on your podcast, it seems like
Speaker 1: somebody drinking hard lemonade, wouldn't it's actually Mr Ard Mickey
Speaker 1: Rooney Man. Unfortunately he's not in this movie. But if
Speaker 1: you ever get a chance to read or borrow my
Speaker 1: very large biography I owned of making Rooney he's fascinating.
Speaker 1: He went through I mean, he was like notoriously bad
Speaker 1: with money. He was also so he was like fourteen
Speaker 1: inches tall or something. Also, he could not stop sucking,
Speaker 1: like he's so interesting. Yeah, he's a horny little guy.
Speaker 1: But he went through a series of like really bad
Speaker 1: business decisions, like in his forties when he was down
Speaker 1: on his luck, and off the top of my head,
Speaker 1: soda for dogs. That business, Soda for Dogs is one
Speaker 1: of my favorites. Uh. The other one was round hot
Speaker 1: Dogs making already opened a restaurant. Wait, this is familiar.
Speaker 1: You talked about this episode, dude. I remember I remember
Speaker 1: so don't no, no, no, it's fine, but I remember
Speaker 1: you saying so for dogs because it reminded me of Dip,
Speaker 1: a pet from Arrested Development. And then oh yeah, you
Speaker 1: said round hot Dogs. I was like, isn't that just malogney? No,
Speaker 1: because it's like a hot dog doughnut that he was
Speaker 1: and it was called it was called like this isn't right,
Speaker 1: but it was in like rural Connecticut, and he opened
Speaker 1: like a business called like Mickey Rooney's Weenie Palace or
Speaker 1: something like that where they were they were on his
Speaker 1: little weenie palace and he would put the round doughnut
Speaker 1: hot dogs just on hamburger buns. So you're just getting
Speaker 1: less food. And amazingly it didn't work out. Okay, wait on,
Speaker 1: I know I treated about it four hundred times. Mickey
Speaker 1: Rooney had a field business called Mickey Rooney's Weeny World
Speaker 1: that sold circular hot dogs. Thanks Jammie two years ago. Well,
Speaker 1: this podcast is now about Mickey Rooney. Sorry, we're not
Speaker 1: talking about about rooney Heads for yet. Mickey Rooney and
Speaker 1: Rooney Mare. Here's another excerpt from the Mickey Rooney biography.
Speaker 1: Mickey told us quote, I bet Howard's going to offer
Speaker 1: to sign us me to a million dollar contract. Then
Speaker 1: a minute later, maybe he wants to invest in Mickey
Speaker 1: Rooney Macaroni. That's my best idea. I love Mickey Rooney.
Speaker 1: That was another plan of his Mickey Rooney Macaroni. I
Speaker 1: mean that at least sounds good like that has a
Speaker 1: good ring to it. I would buy based on the
Speaker 1: name alone. Hey, should I do the recap? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what Mickey Rooney or just figure in his business car
Speaker 1: Liza Oz is about a character named Dorothy Gale. She
Speaker 1: lives in Kansas with her Auntie m and uncle Henry.
Speaker 1: There's this character named Miss Gulch. She wants to kill
Speaker 1: her dog. Yeah, so she's like, no, don't do that.
Speaker 1: I'm going to run away from home so you can't
Speaker 1: kill my dog. And then there's a tornado and she
Speaker 1: can't find her family. They've already gone down to the
Speaker 1: tornado seller, and she goes in the house and bam.
Speaker 1: She gets hit in the head is knocked unconscious. When
Speaker 1: she wakes up, well, she's in the middle of the cyclone.
Speaker 1: The cyclone transports her to the wonderful world of Oz.
Speaker 1: She wakes up, she comes out, she's in munch Gamble
Speaker 1: and she's like, what the fuck is happening. There's a
Speaker 1: good which she comes She's like, lady, you're in sucking
Speaker 1: Oz now and you can't get back home until you
Speaker 1: go to the Wizard of Oz who lives in the
Speaker 1: Emerald City Frank Morgan. She sets out on this journey
Speaker 1: to go visit the Wizard of Oz because he's going
Speaker 1: to be able to help her return to Kansas, And
Speaker 1: on the way she meets some friends. Scarecrow he needs
Speaker 1: a brain, he's stupid, he doesn't have any brains right,
Speaker 1: And then they meet the Tin Man. He doesn't have
Speaker 1: a heart, he doesn't know how to have emotions. Jamie
Speaker 1: could fix. Then they meet the cowardly lion. No interest
Speaker 1: in fixing that one. Yeah, me, I don't blame you.
Speaker 1: And then meanwhile, you could, but you don't want to
Speaker 1: if I wanted to, but I'm busy right now. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the witch is like, you get no, I need these.
Speaker 1: Oh I forgot about the fucking ruby slippers. I do
Speaker 1: a very good recap. I just leave out important details,
Speaker 1: that's all. So she killed the witch's sister. That's right
Speaker 1: to mention that we go to the east, which to
Speaker 1: the east, and then the wicked Witch of the West
Speaker 1: is now after Dorothy because Dorothy has the ruby slippers
Speaker 1: given her by Glinda. Okay, so I know this is
Speaker 1: just okay skipping a lot of important things. That a
Speaker 1: tree just burned down somewhere because because I'm in the
Speaker 1: middle of an orgasm so upset. That's about the sound
Speaker 1: of an orgasm and a tree falling to the count Oh,
Speaker 1: I know. I was about to make a joke where
Speaker 1: it's like, if a tree falls down in the woods
Speaker 1: and no one's there to hear, it doesn't happen. But
Speaker 1: can the same be applied to a woman's orgasm, Like
Speaker 1: if no one's around to hear the woman orgasm. Does
Speaker 1: it actually happen? Sometimes? I hope not roommates home and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I wish I could back was allowed all,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So the witches after Dorothy
Speaker 1: because she wants Dorothy's rubies. She wants Dorothy though she
Speaker 1: like wants to burn down a tree, which she kind of.
Speaker 1: She throws a lot of fireballs at Dorothy, so she's like,
Speaker 1: that's flour play for her. Okay, let's get back on
Speaker 1: path because you mean the yellow brick row. Look, I'm
Speaker 1: getting defensive over this movie. I know, I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: have Butcher. They finally reach Emerald City and the the
Speaker 1: Great and Powerful Odds. It's like, fuck you guys, go
Speaker 1: bring me in the Wicked Witches broomstick so like I
Speaker 1: thought you were just gonna give us the things we wanted.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, I want something in return. So then
Speaker 1: they have to go to the Witch's castle, but there's
Speaker 1: always flying monkeys. They capture her, They take Dorothy, she
Speaker 1: locks her in a tower. None what happens, I've forgotten.
Speaker 1: I don't know, are you being for real? Okay? It
Speaker 1: was like we just we all just watched I know, Slash.
Speaker 1: It's one of those movies that I'm convinced if I
Speaker 1: close my eyes and really focused, I go watch the
Speaker 1: whole movie inside of my head, like one of those
Speaker 1: I used to be able to do that. Yo. See,
Speaker 1: everybody knows, right. So the tin Man and the Scarecrow
Speaker 1: in Lion have to save her, and they're being chased
Speaker 1: by all the bad guys who live in the Witch's castle.
Speaker 1: Finally they confront the Witch and she's like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to burn down the straw Man and she takes Dorothy
Speaker 1: takes a bucket of water to put out the fire.
Speaker 1: It splashes on the witch Boom, She's melted. She liquidates.
Speaker 1: So then they bring back the broomstick to the Wizard
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, I don't know, this is not
Speaker 1: good enough, come back tomorrow, and Dorothy's like, fuck you,
Speaker 1: you promised us. What are you doing? And then it's
Speaker 1: revealed that this great magnificent Oz is actually just a
Speaker 1: man behind the curtain. He's like, I'm sorry, I'm a fraud.
Speaker 1: I'm a piece of ship. But here here's the things
Speaker 1: you already had all along, Scarecrow. You already had a brain,
Speaker 1: you were already the smartest one. Tin Man you were
Speaker 1: already the most sensitive one. You just need a little
Speaker 1: clockhart to feel better about yourself. Right, and then and
Speaker 1: then he's like, cowardly lion, You're not a coward, You're
Speaker 1: a brave you have been this whole time. Can we
Speaker 1: take a time out right here? This is something that
Speaker 1: bothered me. So he pins a metal on the cowardly Lion.
Speaker 1: But he was wearing fur, so clearly has to pierced
Speaker 1: through the fur and the skin doesn't. Yeah, he doesn't
Speaker 1: go out. He's like, yeah, you can wear this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well he's he's a brave boy. Now he can't show
Speaker 1: any sort of cant pay anymore. He's just like, no,
Speaker 1: he does, but he has to pretend like he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm fine with this. So now he's just like everything.
Speaker 1: He's brave, he's strong. If he bleeds, he will not
Speaker 1: call attention. Do it right, and then the story. So
Speaker 1: the story ends. But now Dorothy still hasn't gotten home
Speaker 1: to Kansas, and he so the wizards like, let me
Speaker 1: take you there in my hot air balloon. Has a
Speaker 1: hot air balloon, right, never getting a stranger's hot air
Speaker 1: balloon every one, but he accidentally leaves without her, so
Speaker 1: then Glenda the Goodwin shows up and she's like, you
Speaker 1: had the power to leave all along, but you still
Speaker 1: had to go on this journey to realize you had
Speaker 1: this a lot of burying the lead in this movie, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So she tapped her heels together three times. She returns
Speaker 1: home to Kansas a k she wakes up from a dream.
Speaker 1: It was all a dream? Or was it? We don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it was a parallel metaphysical universe. I like
Speaker 1: that theory. Yeah. I mean, if we're going Cannon, we're
Speaker 1: going to l Frank bomb Cannon. Get ready, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: talk about some political allegories. Okay, great. Then we got
Speaker 1: a party Vive going, Yeah, party vun. Let's sorry about
Speaker 1: all the music that If you guys can hear this music,
Speaker 1: it's uh, there's a show downstairs in the nerdmult showroom.
Speaker 1: Do I work there? Yeah? I do, But I don't
Speaker 1: have any power for making them turn the music down.
Speaker 1: Please all right, this part out, Let's be completely clear.
Speaker 1: Party Vive episode party. I like it's very Mary Kay Nashley,
Speaker 1: You're invited to the party Vive episode of course. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're we're in the Party Vive. We're talking about some
Speaker 1: political party ship. This isn't really like by the time
Speaker 1: the movie came out in thirty nine, this was no
Speaker 1: longer relevant. But the L. Frank Bomb, like Original Kids story,
Speaker 1: was supposed to be this political allegory that was about
Speaker 1: America in the eighteen nineties, where we've got Dorothy She's
Speaker 1: the every and very naive every woman. Scarecrow represents the farmers,
Speaker 1: tin Man represents industrial workers. Cowardly Lion is a metaphor
Speaker 1: for William Jennings Bryan, which I'm sure was hard hitting
Speaker 1: stuff at the time, but I do not know who
Speaker 1: that is. Uh. And then there it gets a little
Speaker 1: bit racist. Uh So the Wicked Which of the West
Speaker 1: was supposed to actually represent the American West because this
Speaker 1: is around some gold rush ship people are out in
Speaker 1: California looking for gold. And then the flying Monkeys are
Speaker 1: supposed to represent the indigenous people out in the West
Speaker 1: that people were you know, uh, actively massaccurring so as
Speaker 1: to access the gold. Unclear where L. Frank Baum stood
Speaker 1: on this, but he did make them evil which monkeys,
Speaker 1: So chances are he was not a fan and he
Speaker 1: wanted the gold, but I don't know. But anyways, just
Speaker 1: some fun context. I appreciate it as my question. But
Speaker 1: at the end, when Dorothy melts the witch, all the
Speaker 1: guards and everyone was like, oh, thank god, we've been
Speaker 1: under that spell. That's true. That's true. So maybe maybe
Speaker 1: the you know, indigenous people were under the spell of
Speaker 1: the West of the Gold. They're under the gold spell.
Speaker 1: They got a gold fever. I gotta get it there,
Speaker 1: I gotta get I gotta heaven, right, and then oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and then okay that every man is like, hey, there's
Speaker 1: no gold. And then the person who's like hey, there's
Speaker 1: gold melts and then everyone's like, wait a second, We've
Speaker 1: been duped, We've been dooped. It's almost intertaining. There's more
Speaker 1: to life than gold in money, not in consumer is.
Speaker 1: But well, I mean in munchkin Land you have all
Speaker 1: the different guilds, the Lollipop guild, that's the hood union things,
Speaker 1: because that's not a friend of the book. Yeah, I would.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe the guards who work at the witches Castle,
Speaker 1: they have their own union, but they like they're having trouble,
Speaker 1: Like the guards are actually saying something too, and I
Speaker 1: always forget what it is. But there s all we own.
Speaker 1: We oh, like any wealth that they own like they
Speaker 1: actually owe to continue to speculate as it's always all
Speaker 1: we own, we owe her. Oh that's the winky chant
Speaker 1: because the guards are called the Winkies, and it's like
Speaker 1: more cannon ship. There's the land of the Winkies. That's
Speaker 1: pretty deep though, right right? I wonder whose idea was
Speaker 1: to chant that doink? The witch was like, you know
Speaker 1: what we should make clear? You owe me around the castle.
Speaker 1: How powerful that it's a woman. This is a very
Speaker 1: female centric movie. All the females are in charge in
Speaker 1: this movie, and um, yes, my regult in charge a
Speaker 1: bit for sure, totally. I don't know if I wanted
Speaker 1: to say that on this gast, but for sure a
Speaker 1: cred terrible woman. And she owns a lot of land,
Speaker 1: which was I imagine was kind of uncommon for that era.
Speaker 1: But now I'm a strong Christian woman. I can't tell
Speaker 1: you what was she gonna tell what? She was going
Speaker 1: to call her a country? I would have loved to
Speaker 1: hear that in like the Newsy's accent that everyone's spoken
Speaker 1: at that time. Do you know what I really liked
Speaker 1: though about this movie is when Dorothy was like, and
Speaker 1: am I am? They're gonna take Toto and she's like,
Speaker 1: not now, Doroth. They were counting chickens and they're just
Speaker 1: counting these chickens and they're like, if she just goes,
Speaker 1: that's seventy and over seventy chicks. It's like what your
Speaker 1: chicks might die, That's what they're saying. It's like this
Speaker 1: incubator's gone bad, and now we got to count all
Speaker 1: the chick How many chickens? Do they need a lot
Speaker 1: of chicks? No, but they also have hogs. They must
Speaker 1: be wealthy. They got hogs if they were wealthy. Moment,
Speaker 1: everyone take your hogs out. Hogs out? How did I
Speaker 1: not write that down? Is a thing to say and
Speaker 1: this episode that we should be saying hogs out in
Speaker 1: every episode. And I think we've gotten close. Yeah, not quite.
Speaker 1: You heard it first on the Boogie Nights episode, and
Speaker 1: since then I think we've mentioned it. It's true. So
Speaker 1: if you're listening to podcast right now, about that hug
Speaker 1: and continue to listen to the discourse. Okay, here's a
Speaker 1: curious thought I had before we get into some really
Speaker 1: cool and like intelligent discussion. I want to know where
Speaker 1: does the red brick road go? Where? Oh, you know,
Speaker 1: in the the spiral, So in one direction it takes
Speaker 1: the yellow brick road. But then inside that spiral, there's
Speaker 1: a red brick road that goes elsewhere. Why don't we
Speaker 1: ever find out about that? Probably just goes to a suburb, Yeah,
Speaker 1: goes to Cleveland Road. Maybe she should have just gone
Speaker 1: that way and then she wouldn't have had to meet
Speaker 1: all those dumb guys. Is is what the Wizard of
Speaker 1: Oz in public domain? Because I want to like readapt
Speaker 1: this and find out where the red brick Road goes
Speaker 1: the Wizard of like the book, I don't think so
Speaker 1: did they address it like in Return to Oz or
Speaker 1: anything like that. That's a good question. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't really remember that much about this movie. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I mean I had three versions of it, but I
Speaker 1: didn't enjoy it. I've never seen no It's it's one
Speaker 1: of those like, oh it's a dark reimagine. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Just let me have my fun two eighties. If you
Speaker 1: ask me, it's extremely eighties. I did, but I enjoy
Speaker 1: The Whiz. I you know what, I've never seen The
Speaker 1: Wiz either. I really want to watch it. But if
Speaker 1: you ever get a chance, watch the Muppet Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 1: That's a fun one. Wait, who's Dorothy? And that one shop?
Speaker 1: I know Queen Latifa's Auntie m And then is it Ashanti?
Speaker 1: I think you might be right. I remember there's the
Speaker 1: one with Zoe Deschanelle and that was that was tin Man.
Speaker 1: That was like a original like mini series or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I watched the whole thing. I didn't care for. Ashanti
Speaker 1: is Dorothy. Also, Jeffrey Tambor is the Wizard in that movie,
Speaker 1: which I did not remember. Well, now you know know, oh,
Speaker 1: Wizard of Oz is public domain. Aristotle just looked it up.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Okay, So I'm gonna write a new I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna write a script about the Red Brick Road.
Speaker 1: I wasn't I didn't think of this. But can can
Speaker 1: I say something very embarrassing that I did when I
Speaker 1: was thirteen? Okay? So I was a precocious young child.
Speaker 1: I were back brace had a lot of free time, uh,
Speaker 1: not a lot of friends. So what I decided to
Speaker 1: do in junior high when I was getting really really
Speaker 1: into the Wizard of Oz, I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: right a sequel to the Wizard of Oz, And I
Speaker 1: wrote a like a really long I guess it was
Speaker 1: like a book that I wrote and I was like twelve,
Speaker 1: and then I registered it with the I Bray of Congress.
Speaker 1: So somewhere there is a copy of Wizard of Oz
Speaker 1: sequel I wrote, non Cannon, perhaps a fun read. I
Speaker 1: have no way of knowing there's exactly one copy of
Speaker 1: it in the entire world. But I was very proud
Speaker 1: of it, and it was away for me to not
Speaker 1: have friends for an entire year and feel fine. How
Speaker 1: many pages was it? I don't know. I know that
Speaker 1: I remember googling on you know, my parents dial up internet,
Speaker 1: how long is a novel? Finding out that number of words,
Speaker 1: clearing that number of words, and being like, all right,
Speaker 1: how do we wrap this up? We did it, We
Speaker 1: did it. We got there. WHOA, so you wrote like
Speaker 1: a full yes ship man. She said she had no friends.
Speaker 1: I had no friends for a year. That's plenty of
Speaker 1: time to write. Just impressed that someone of that age. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't and I couldn't. I couldn't. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: trapped in prison. I'm sorry. I don't mean to laugh
Speaker 1: at that. All I did was take algebra tests and
Speaker 1: think about the Wizard of Oz. Did you enjoy? No,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I wanted. I don't. I was bad. I
Speaker 1: was bad. I was very bad mass and I wanted
Speaker 1: to be good at it, but it wasn't. If you
Speaker 1: remember from the Mean Girls episode, I was a mathlete.
Speaker 1: I know you were. I was. I was a woman.
Speaker 1: I was a woman. Hey, let's talk about the female
Speaker 1: characters in this movie. Sure, we've got as you already mentioned, basically,
Speaker 1: any woman on screen is probably in charge and if something,
Speaker 1: she's uh, you know, strong and powerful. We got Anti m,
Speaker 1: who we don't see on screen that much, only really
Speaker 1: in the beginning and then right at the very end.
Speaker 1: I love Anti M. I love when she screams for
Speaker 1: Dorothy in the middle of the like Dorothy, like that
Speaker 1: they barely look for her, like there. Yeah, I wonder
Speaker 1: if that happens after the right after the movie ends, like,
Speaker 1: wait a second, did you try to find me? We
Speaker 1: had just closed the doors too. Yeah, the storms sound
Speaker 1: like it's too it's too damn. They're clothed. Uncle Henry.
Speaker 1: He came down hard. She was like, let's look for
Speaker 1: our niece, and we're just like, no, get in here.
Speaker 1: Then she's like, all right, you're right she's not our
Speaker 1: biological daughter, she's just our sister's daughter, which we don't
Speaker 1: know what happened, We don't know, So that's pecked up
Speaker 1: my sequel for speculation, right, and then Doro think it's
Speaker 1: knocked unconscious by what when clearly a plastic window hitting
Speaker 1: her in the arm. It was a glass window pane
Speaker 1: with wood. Hard to watch, the back of the head,
Speaker 1: hard to watch, hard to watch. I do remember being
Speaker 1: like very startled by it as a kid, like when
Speaker 1: I'd have to close my eyes when I knew that
Speaker 1: part was about to happen, because it would always startle
Speaker 1: me when the window comes out of the bam. Hey
Speaker 1: speaking startling. As a kid, we used to look for
Speaker 1: the guy who hung himself. Did you guys do that? Yes, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: But then once they was pumped it up to high,
Speaker 1: they took it out. It's a bird, yeah, or that's
Speaker 1: what they'll tell you, Wizard. But even in the old
Speaker 1: VHS tapes they had the hanging man. Oh yeah, for sure. Hey,
Speaker 1: you're going to Culver City later Culver City hotel, and
Speaker 1: they had like a Wizard of Oz diorama like in
Speaker 1: the front of their hotel, and so I stopped because
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, this is relevant to my interests. Apparently,
Speaker 1: the Munchkins were staying at the Culver City Hotel and
Speaker 1: the Culver City Hotel to their discredit, they tout in
Speaker 1: the diorama that they had the Munchkin sleep for to
Speaker 1: a bed during the production of the movie. It says
Speaker 1: it in the diorama. I don't know a lot about this,
Speaker 1: but like, I mean, were they being exploited? Was there
Speaker 1: like exploitation happening? Like technically yes, but I don't think
Speaker 1: you could find like someone who participated in that movie
Speaker 1: as a Munchkin that felt that way. Not that I
Speaker 1: It used to be two of my favorite early YouTube
Speaker 1: searches were like Munchkin interviews now and Titanic Survivor interviews now.
Speaker 1: I just like to watch withered old people talk about
Speaker 1: the good old days. Yeah, but I think most of
Speaker 1: the Munchkins seemed they were proud to be a part
Speaker 1: of it. I don't know if you're okay with it.
Speaker 1: I can't speak for them, so that's true. We can't
Speaker 1: speak for them. I can't, But well, I was I
Speaker 1: wasn't sure if there's any sort of like, um, if
Speaker 1: they had anyone of them had come forth and been
Speaker 1: like they were exploiting us or I think a lot
Speaker 1: of the studios back in the day like exploited all
Speaker 1: their actors like twelve dollars a day or like thirty dollars,
Speaker 1: you know, like it wasn't like it was Nelly. They
Speaker 1: were just like, we know you're gonna work for this
Speaker 1: amount of money, and if you don't, we're gonna make
Speaker 1: somebody else's star. So what are you gonna do? You know? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so if you're thinking yeah, like if we're if we're
Speaker 1: getting into the nitty gritty, you know, Judy Garland is
Speaker 1: actively being turned into a drug addict during the production
Speaker 1: of this exactly uppers down or uppers down Nickey at
Speaker 1: night saying are you up or you down? And he's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm busy thinking ideas. Man, I'm an
Speaker 1: idea is gonna now come over, try some soda for dogs.
Speaker 1: They was married, I have a gardener crazy, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: not in Chicago, They're sorry. One last thing before we're talking.
Speaker 1: Most of us is a frank Elbaum park and there's
Speaker 1: a Wizard of Loss Park. I used to write my
Speaker 1: bike there and like take walks all the time. When
Speaker 1: Chicago it was really nice. Oh my god, the first
Speaker 1: time I visited Chicago, that was like my first stop.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I gotta go Warning for Park for sure.
Speaker 1: Every tree in that park is since fired the whole
Speaker 1: park person into flames the second I got there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't even know where just I mean, this is
Speaker 1: such an iconic movie, Like everyone knows the story. Everyone
Speaker 1: knows Dorothy. She's such an iconic character. Is she a
Speaker 1: good character? Let's talk about it. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think Dorothy is the strongest female character in this movie
Speaker 1: per se, but I think that she is. She's sort
Speaker 1: of the avatar that we're supposed to plug ourselves into,
Speaker 1: and she sort of guides us through Oz And she's
Speaker 1: also a kid. So it's kind of hard to this
Speaker 1: hard to make the argument that it's like, why isn't
Speaker 1: she in charge of it? Like she's a kid, right,
Speaker 1: How old is she supposed to be? Like a teenager
Speaker 1: in the book, she's supposed to be like I think
Speaker 1: eleven or twelve. But also, Shirley Temple was almost Dorothy
Speaker 1: this movie. It was almost a very I don't think
Speaker 1: that the movie would have been that I don't know, Rememberable, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like it would have been another memorable Rememberable y'all got
Speaker 1: a starry n O. But I think, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: if Shirley Temple had been in it, it would have
Speaker 1: been another Shirley Temple movie as opposed to what it is.
Speaker 1: But Dorothy is supposed to be younger than Judy Garland
Speaker 1: is in this movie because they like strapped her breasts
Speaker 1: down for this movie. Like she's supposed to see me younger,
Speaker 1: even though I think she's fifteen or sixteen and kind
Speaker 1: of looks it, she's supposed to be like I think twelve,
Speaker 1: got it? But also like think like she's from a
Speaker 1: small town in Kansas. Her only friend is Toto. Like
Speaker 1: she's right or die for this dog, like a woman's
Speaker 1: going to kill her dog and she's like, we gotta
Speaker 1: run away. Like so she's in the first of all.
Speaker 1: Now there's color everywhere, she's seeing all these crazy things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that's insane. It wasn't this the first movie and technicolor.
Speaker 1: I think it was one of the first wildly released ones.
Speaker 1: Ok yeah, yeah yeah, and they had the best can
Speaker 1: you is there a better technicolor gimmick in the world?
Speaker 1: Then starting and not technicolor than the Big Old Room.
Speaker 1: It's so good. It's still so good. It rules not
Speaker 1: unlike Pleasantville that movie starts. That movie came out. Yeah
Speaker 1: they have the technology, and yeah, so I don't. I
Speaker 1: wasn't jagged about it. Trying to draw a lot of
Speaker 1: parallels as many as I can to pleasant Bill grow Up.
Speaker 1: I think they. I think Dorothy for who she is,
Speaker 1: is a great female lead. You know, like she does
Speaker 1: the best she can. She's kind of weirdly leading this
Speaker 1: ragtag group. Yeah, she doesn't make a lot of I mean,
Speaker 1: she's the vehicle of this story. She's the driving force.
Speaker 1: She's like the moral center to which I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess he's like kind of a traditionally feminine role, but
Speaker 1: like she helps everyone she can. She doesn't operate against
Speaker 1: her own moral code at any point. Really, it's no sex,
Speaker 1: no sexual tension, does not fuck. She does not have
Speaker 1: She doesn't even have a crush. A crush though, you
Speaker 1: know at the end where you're like, did she have
Speaker 1: a crush in the Scarecrow, She's like, I'm gonna maybe
Speaker 1: most of all, and you're like, all right, I see it,
Speaker 1: I get it. If you gotta go for one. That's
Speaker 1: the one you go for. His name is hunk. That
Speaker 1: guy's kids name is literally he's a hunk. He you know,
Speaker 1: I really like Ray Bulinger. He was also if you're
Speaker 1: if you if you like Ray Bulger, you gotta check
Speaker 1: him out in those follies movies of the late twenties
Speaker 1: and early thirties. He's great tap dancer. Check out his
Speaker 1: check out that guy's tapping alright. He did have a
Speaker 1: lot of Yeah. I mean I would say that yeah,
Speaker 1: she is, especially for the era. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: the patrol of women has both gotten like it's gone
Speaker 1: in different directions, where like sometimes women are portrayed really
Speaker 1: horribly in mainstream cinema, but we've also like progressed a
Speaker 1: bit since then. So considering the era of the late
Speaker 1: thirties when this movie was just I think it's pretty
Speaker 1: impressive for sure. And then if we get into all
Speaker 1: the secondary female characters, they're pretty much all for better
Speaker 1: or worse in charge of something. Because if we start
Speaker 1: with Annie m she you know, Uncle Henry, he's a
Speaker 1: he's a du fist, like the best indicator of who
Speaker 1: he is is just like after Annie um flips out
Speaker 1: at Miss Gulch and leaves and then Uncle Henry just
Speaker 1: sit through, like sorry about that. He's like just another day.
Speaker 1: Like he's just a sweet little simpleton, which which is
Speaker 1: great and good for him. But you know he's a
Speaker 1: beta man, a beta male. Yeah, I love a good beta.
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta love a beta. Uncle Henry is
Speaker 1: not ashamed. He loves it, except when it comes to hey,
Speaker 1: get yeah, I'm scared of this tornado typical beta. And
Speaker 1: then yeah, I mean the other male characters in relation
Speaker 1: to the female just like they all have some sort
Speaker 1: of shortcoming where they need to go to the Wizard
Speaker 1: to like fix this problem, and they're all they're kind
Speaker 1: of cooks. And these are all things that Dorothy already has.
Speaker 1: She already has brains, she already has a heart. She
Speaker 1: didn't ask courage. She just didn't know it, I think,
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I think she didn't. She was
Speaker 1: just like, I've got this stuff. I just need to
Speaker 1: get home. I'm a complete person as is. I'll take
Speaker 1: all you half men with me so that we can.
Speaker 1: I think they were full men. They just have been
Speaker 1: through a lot. Yeah, they had there, and I do
Speaker 1: appreciate that every single men. You don't have men my men.
Speaker 1: I got three men. I got three whole men here. No,
Speaker 1: there's three half men, A one and one and a
Speaker 1: half man. Hated that television show There's No There. Well,
Speaker 1: I I I when I was watching it earlier today
Speaker 1: because I hadn't seen it in three or four months. Baby,
Speaker 1: But the Scarecrow, tin Man and the Cowardly Lion all
Speaker 1: at some point do specifically ask her can I come
Speaker 1: with which is like such a sweet bait of thing
Speaker 1: to do, like hey, and you're in your way somewhere,
Speaker 1: but like I promise it won't be too much trouble,
Speaker 1: and she's like get over here, you dumb like that,
Speaker 1: or like they're like I have this problem and she's
Speaker 1: like I'm scared. Okay, it's you can come with us.
Speaker 1: She's face That's why I love Dorothy. She's like I
Speaker 1: can fix you, and like this is how I go
Speaker 1: through life. Get on, I can face you, and then eventually,
Speaker 1: you know, if I can't, I'm gonna get in this
Speaker 1: hot air balloon. Gotta go, you know. There's also several
Speaker 1: different scenes where they're confronted with an obstacle of some
Speaker 1: sort and like all the other characters are like, oh God,
Speaker 1: how do we handle this? What do we do? And
Speaker 1: she's just like, no, this about it. Yeah. For example,
Speaker 1: whenever the Cowardly Lion is intimidating the tin Man and
Speaker 1: the Scarecrow, before we know he is, in fact how
Speaker 1: wardly and he's like chasing around Toto, She's like, Bam,
Speaker 1: slaps him in the face. Slap. Ever a downward slap,
Speaker 1: not a slap across the face that horizontal. It's it's
Speaker 1: a vertical slap. She volleyballs him spike, you know, hot take.
Speaker 1: I don't like the Cowardly Lion. I find him very abeous.
Speaker 1: I hate all this forward your King of the Forest
Speaker 1: every time. I don't like it. I don't like his
Speaker 1: his other song either, when he's first introduced, because he
Speaker 1: goes from falling like a baby. Yeah. But even so
Speaker 1: here the forest, I say, cut it, put back in
Speaker 1: the deleted number. The Jitterbug. Oh. I have the soundtrack
Speaker 1: and they good. It's so good that when does that
Speaker 1: supposed to happen? When they're in the forest, when they're
Speaker 1: about to get to oz Um and they're hearing like
Speaker 1: the monkeys and then there it would have dated the
Speaker 1: movie in a way that it's not dated otherwise. But
Speaker 1: it's a very catchy little tune where they all do
Speaker 1: the jitter bug in the forest, and the jitterbug is
Speaker 1: supposed to be like an actual bug. Catch a little tune.
Speaker 1: Though I like the cowardly Lion. He's really I feel
Speaker 1: guilty for not liking him more. I don't know what
Speaker 1: it is. You could see him being annoying though, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's annoying. I also like don't like the like aesthetic
Speaker 1: of him, like the makeup and the costume. He's a
Speaker 1: little scary. I mean, the suit is like pretty intense,
Speaker 1: like it's cool. I like the suit. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe I don't like Burt Lar for some
Speaker 1: can I also say something, just one more thing. She
Speaker 1: yells at them to get Dorothy out of that hog pen.
Speaker 1: I wrote this down because I kept cracking up about it.
Speaker 1: Get Doroth the out of that pin before they worry
Speaker 1: themselves into anemia. Oh yeah, and then she's like, hickory,
Speaker 1: I saw you messing with that contraption. She's like, she's
Speaker 1: like she throws to fly yea she is. He's like, okay,
Speaker 1: nasty gal basically girl Boss Girl blesses Meryl Streep and
Speaker 1: double wares. That's anti M. I like any M a
Speaker 1: lot and I but I really do want to know
Speaker 1: if Dorothy ever asked her like, hey, did you look
Speaker 1: for me? Didn't you? And you know, any of them
Speaker 1: could be like, well barely I call you did run away?
Speaker 1: To be in my defense, you didn't seem to want
Speaker 1: to be with me. But there that's another that I
Speaker 1: would put on what's the name Professor Marvel where Professor
Speaker 1: Marvel in the in that great scene because I love
Speaker 1: Frank Morgan where you know, he's pretending to be a
Speaker 1: psychic and all this stuff, and then he's like your
Speaker 1: aunt is dying, like go away, and then he sees
Speaker 1: the storm coming and it's like see you later, like
Speaker 1: doesn't have her anyhow, He's like, put a girl, hope
Speaker 1: she makes it drops His weird British accent is like, damn,
Speaker 1: hope she lives, like just it's why. But he's at
Speaker 1: the end too and offers no, right, yeah, and sent
Speaker 1: her out into the twister. Pretty amazing that she didn't
Speaker 1: fucking gets snuffed by this storm. You know, she just
Speaker 1: has a severe concussion now, is all. Yeah, But also
Speaker 1: when you see hunk at the end. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: get it. Hunk is a hunk. K is a hunk. Also,
Speaker 1: I know he can tap, So that's just like all
Speaker 1: right now, I know Subliminally you're like, I'm like, yes,
Speaker 1: why aren't you that's his last name, Balger. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you make my pants to you did it. You did
Speaker 1: it in a mad one. Thing that I noticed that
Speaker 1: I didn't quite realize before is that Dorothy effectively dreams
Speaker 1: in three act structure. She has a dream and the
Speaker 1: story that unfolds is like a perfect movie. Why can't
Speaker 1: I dream like that? I hear, I am waste to
Speaker 1: my time getting a master's degree in screenwriting. If I
Speaker 1: could just get hit on the head and fall asleep
Speaker 1: and have a dream about like have a movie in
Speaker 1: a dream, and then I can wake up and be like,
Speaker 1: I'll just write this down, but like, tell us more
Speaker 1: about your master's degree. Yeah, okay. She dreams in three
Speaker 1: acts structure. She also has a dream. We're basically she
Speaker 1: is like the queen in the world. She like kills
Speaker 1: a witch and then the munchkins are like, we're gonna
Speaker 1: make a bust about you. You're going to go down
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. What delusions of granderees Dorothy
Speaker 1: have where she's like, you're she's confident in community? Is
Speaker 1: like she's confident. I like that better? Yeah, I said, yeah.
Speaker 1: And then well, and let's talk about the witches too,
Speaker 1: would be remiss to not talk about the witches. Glinda
Speaker 1: the good witch. She's also in charge of sort of everything.
Speaker 1: Everyone's always stoked to see her. She's never particularly helpful,
Speaker 1: sort of just like a wisdom dispense. I will say
Speaker 1: with Glinda, she is a bit of an antagonist because
Speaker 1: she when the house dropped on to the east, she
Speaker 1: had the ruby slippers and the wig, just like what
Speaker 1: we will get my sister, And she was like, aren't
Speaker 1: you forgetting something the slippers And she has this look
Speaker 1: in her eye like you can't do anything. And then
Speaker 1: when she goes to get the slippers, they go and
Speaker 1: they're now they're on Dorothy, and she's like, don't worry, Dorothy,
Speaker 1: those shoes on, don't take them off. She must be
Speaker 1: very powerful, she wouldn't want them so badly. She knows
Speaker 1: jus the other question, yeah, she knows the whole time.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing is like, you know we
Speaker 1: can wait to the west. I get it, she's a
Speaker 1: bad guy. We don't like her. However, she just lost
Speaker 1: her sister. But did she really want those slippers because
Speaker 1: she knew what those slippers could be? She knew she
Speaker 1: knew that the infinite? And also, how much power are
Speaker 1: we putting into accessory? Is that a commentary on something
Speaker 1: never thought about? It? True? But it doesn't have to be.
Speaker 1: You know, women be shopping hot access women be love
Speaker 1: and shoes. I don't know, but I love buying red shoes.
Speaker 1: There's a little secret with myself. Sorry, I mean, what's
Speaker 1: the altern I suppose like a medallion, a necklace of
Speaker 1: some kind. It's always it's always like a piece of yeah,
Speaker 1: and that he's strolling, or a trinket or the ring,
Speaker 1: the ring. Do you think that there's a symbolism of
Speaker 1: Adam and Eve when she goes to pick the apples
Speaker 1: from the apple trees? Interesting? I just thought about that,
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh apples. Maybe it's not that's a
Speaker 1: deep sexual allegoria. It was just like, I did not
Speaker 1: consent to you touching my apples, and she's like, aut
Speaker 1: not a word in there, just like, hey, this would
Speaker 1: be funny, right, I was interested like rewatching at this time.
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, those tree costumes are really good. Those
Speaker 1: you know, because you're watching it and like high deaf,
Speaker 1: You're like, those tree costumes are still dope and they're
Speaker 1: a little bit scary. And I think the scarecrow in
Speaker 1: the tune man are really great too. I'm the lion too,
Speaker 1: But everything, like the movie is very well done. Shout
Speaker 1: out to Victor Fleming. What a year for him, truly,
Speaker 1: because he also directs Gone with the Wind in the
Speaker 1: same year. Yeah, so this is like, this is his
Speaker 1: fucking year. And was he a good guy? No? Did
Speaker 1: he enjoy directing these movies? No, he said that. He
Speaker 1: said he didn't like it. Well, like every I'm a
Speaker 1: big old Gone with the Wind head as well. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: when she made that dress out of those curtains. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's the part that we all love as fans well,
Speaker 1: because he was kind of like, sorry he raped his
Speaker 1: wife wild Anyways, it's a different episode in the Wizard
Speaker 1: of Oz. We've got to hand it to them. All
Speaker 1: one gets right. Congrats? Yeah, I mean okay, Victor Fleming
Speaker 1: directs both of these movies. He's not the first chosen
Speaker 1: director for either of these movies, and arguably is kind
Speaker 1: of like a figurehead for both of them. But great
Speaker 1: year for him, great year for Victor Fleming, great year
Speaker 1: for Technicolor. Yeah, I want to go back to Dorothy. Uh. Dorothy,
Speaker 1: as I was sort of mentioning before, she is like
Speaker 1: the driving force of the story. Most of her actions
Speaker 1: influenced the direction of the story takes in some way,
Speaker 1: so she's like very clearly the protagonist. She does have
Speaker 1: to be saved at one point whenever the which captures
Speaker 1: her and locks her in the tower, and she flips
Speaker 1: over an hourglass and she's like, you have this much
Speaker 1: time to live, which mocks her. That's good. She always
Speaker 1: threatening to kill is she like put the dog in
Speaker 1: the river and drown it. Just man, she is. I mean,
Speaker 1: I love her. Are like they do have to come
Speaker 1: in and save her, which is a trope that we
Speaker 1: are always finding. But I would argue, unlike most got
Speaker 1: to save the girl in tower tropes, they probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been able to do that had she not infused
Speaker 1: them with a little bit of self worth and self
Speaker 1: confidence beforehand. Would the cowardly lion have gone for it
Speaker 1: if he hadn't met Dorothy and all his new pals first,
Speaker 1: I would say probably, would say probably not that's true something,
Speaker 1: but also Okay, she's a lady going on at her
Speaker 1: own path to get to the wizard, but the witches
Speaker 1: on her own path to get those shoes. So really
Speaker 1: the Witch is kind of the powerful one that doesn't
Speaker 1: need to be saved. I mean, you can look a
Speaker 1: different way. And as if unless I'm forgetting something, everyone
Speaker 1: who works for the Witch is a very large man. Yea.
Speaker 1: The flying monkeys and the winkies. Yeah. Yeah, she has
Speaker 1: an all male workforce who like are contractually obligated to
Speaker 1: shout her praises at all times. They're like little worker
Speaker 1: bees and she's like the queen Bee. Yeah, they all
Speaker 1: secretly wanted to die, but like, hey, that's part of
Speaker 1: being the boss sometimes. Yeah. And then, although it happens
Speaker 1: sort of accidentally, Dorothy does defeat the villain, she throws
Speaker 1: water on the Witch. Yeah yeah, it's like not she
Speaker 1: didn't like like a deliberate effort to be like I'm
Speaker 1: going to defeat you now. She just throws it and
Speaker 1: it accidentally lands on the Witch. But I mean they
Speaker 1: get what they she she sets out to do a thing,
Speaker 1: and then she does it, and the all male workforce
Speaker 1: are more than willing to embrace her as their new leader.
Speaker 1: You're like, well, we're used to women in charge over here,
Speaker 1: you know, you step up now, I think, And she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm busy, I gotta bust going up in munchkin Land.
Speaker 1: I'm in their hall of fame, right, Why can't you
Speaker 1: guys like, how long have you been here? Surely someone
Speaker 1: knows what's going on. Can we talk about the makeover
Speaker 1: sequence of the Yeah, they get to the Emerald Frank
Speaker 1: Morgan plays a great series of characters before we get
Speaker 1: to the Wizard, and you know, he's like, go away there,
Speaker 1: no one wants to see you. And then they're like yeah,
Speaker 1: which is weird. But then even that, like you know,
Speaker 1: if that was like an all, that's really the only
Speaker 1: other time we see women in OZ. Besides, you know,
Speaker 1: there's female Munchkins. They're the witches. And then there are
Speaker 1: the people in the Emerald City who do the makeover sequence,
Speaker 1: which I as weird and like, arguably I guess needless
Speaker 1: as it is, I love the makeover sequence? Can you
Speaker 1: even dye my eyes to match my probally good tents.
Speaker 1: It's great, it's great. Yeah, and then they're like, take
Speaker 1: out those pigtails, let's do an up do and then
Speaker 1: go meet the Wizard who sucks. He sucks, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: they look great when they Yeah, the Wizard is like,
Speaker 1: he's like the biggest cuck of them all. He like,
Speaker 1: does this whole look fire and Brimstone, I got a
Speaker 1: huge wizard head and I'm this great and all powerful oz.
Speaker 1: It's been there before Power Rangers if they even check Hello.
Speaker 1: And then he turns out to be a total fraud,
Speaker 1: a phony. And then that's a lot of the guys
Speaker 1: in this movie. There's not really a female character who's
Speaker 1: exposed to be a fraud. There are some female characters
Speaker 1: who are very motivated for evil, unless you're like, but
Speaker 1: what if you saw the musical Wicked, which shut up?
Speaker 1: Not the same, it's not the same, Good goodbye. I
Speaker 1: enjoyed it, but like, go away for now. I'll see
Speaker 1: the movie when it comes out. Go Away for now? Though, Hey,
Speaker 1: can I say something really dumb that everyone's gonna hate? Huh?
Speaker 1: I couldn't help but notice some similarities to Harry Potter,
Speaker 1: specifically the houses because here's the thing. The line is
Speaker 1: all about bravery and courage. That's Griffin door tin Man's like,
Speaker 1: I want a heart. That's kind of a huffle puffy Scarecrow.
Speaker 1: He wants a brain brains brainiac raven claw, and then
Speaker 1: I guess the witches Slytherin and then Dorothy for the time,
Speaker 1: fuck Harry Potter. I checked out because I'm not a
Speaker 1: big Harry Potter for like ever, Yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: good time. Well for the family at home who love
Speaker 1: Harry Potterry Potter is ripped off of something great. Well.
Speaker 1: When I was at the Fringe, I walked through the
Speaker 1: graveyard and I did have coffee where J. K. Rowling
Speaker 1: sat cool. But I didn't know that until people were like,
Speaker 1: oh rowning, Like yeah, also, to be fair, just making
Speaker 1: sure my grandma was okay. It's a pure motivation. So
Speaker 1: I took my text and I was like, no, we'll
Speaker 1: get that. Harry part is bad, Caitlyn, It's blot is bad,
Speaker 1: objectively bad. It's it's so I'm sick. I'm all right,
Speaker 1: let's uh. Does anyone have many final thoughts about the movie?
Speaker 1: How women are portrayed in the movie. I do have
Speaker 1: a Harry powder Fall. And it's not mean. It's not
Speaker 1: mean because I know that we argue about that all
Speaker 1: the time. But um, I do think that if we're
Speaker 1: if we're pulling the parallels of like Dorothy and Harry Potter,
Speaker 1: those are both central characters who are the moral core
Speaker 1: of the story, and if you look closely, there's not
Speaker 1: much there. But that's intentional because it's supposed to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is the person that the audience is like, this
Speaker 1: is me, I'm the star, you know. So it's like
Speaker 1: just sort of one of those characters where everyone around
Speaker 1: Dorothy is very interesting and very active and very flawed
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and then Dorothy is like she's great, um,
Speaker 1: and which I think is kind of the same for
Speaker 1: Harry Potter. And that's I don't know, with the winning formula, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Harry Potter. Don't argue that Harry Potter is an interesting character.
Speaker 1: I'll flip this table. No, I wasn't going to. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say that he is probably the least interesting
Speaker 1: character of all the characters. And but I think it's
Speaker 1: kind of on purpose so that, you know, the least
Speaker 1: you give this person to do besides move through this
Speaker 1: world of more interesting characters. The more little kids were like, Hey,
Speaker 1: that's me, right, because if there's nothing interesting about me either.
Speaker 1: I identify most with the tin Man because I don't
Speaker 1: heard about I don't know how to feel emotions. Man,
Speaker 1: this dude gave everything up for his wife, for his
Speaker 1: for his lover. Yeah, she need the man, that's the story.
Speaker 1: That's why he got so arrested. He needed an arm,
Speaker 1: so he chopped off his arm. He needed to live,
Speaker 1: so he worked and he worked and finally got rusted
Speaker 1: and then his wife passed away. That's and that's not
Speaker 1: like you learned that in the book. In the movie too,
Speaker 1: I think right now the movie boils that part down
Speaker 1: by quite a bit. But yeah, the tin Man does
Speaker 1: basically cut off all of his extremities. Exactly why I
Speaker 1: identify with him. I have no limb. She's literally a
Speaker 1: chicken nugget, but we love her. I'm just the head.
Speaker 1: I'm actually the great and powerful oz. I'm just a
Speaker 1: floating head. But I think in the book they also
Speaker 1: say that the Tin Man made a deal with the
Speaker 1: Wicked Witch of the West. Did they, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I think I remember that like um for the consciousness
Speaker 1: or for the brains. There's something there. What is what
Speaker 1: do the ruby Slippers do besides able you to get
Speaker 1: back to Kansas? The what if that's the only thing
Speaker 1: they can do though, take you specifically back to Kansas.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I guess in the in
Speaker 1: the movie version, I can't. I haven't read the book
Speaker 1: in so long at this point, but I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: And also in the book they're silver slippers, and then
Speaker 1: the movie they turned it to ruby because they're like,
Speaker 1: we've got this book primary, but it is silver slippers
Speaker 1: throughout the books. I don't really know. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: I guess we assumed that there they can do. It's
Speaker 1: like whatever you deeply want the most. The elder one
Speaker 1: from Harry Potter, Sorry, what are you talking about? I
Speaker 1: honestly don't know anything. He's he gives it am okay.
Speaker 1: I know there's fans out there who are like Harry Potter,
Speaker 1: tweet at me and we'll join a club. We'll join
Speaker 1: a Harry Potter. Oh. I don't think there's enough Harry
Speaker 1: Potter fans out there. I think that's the real problem.
Speaker 1: That's the problem. There's just aren't a worldwide phenomenon or anything.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know. I mean, I guess we're
Speaker 1: to believe it would fulfill your deepest desire because that's
Speaker 1: what Dorothy wants more than anything, is to go home.
Speaker 1: So that's all powerful. Yeah, all right, I'll believe it,
Speaker 1: and then Total the most power that like probably the
Speaker 1: least problematic male in the entire movie. He's a whole man.
Speaker 1: He's antona. I mean, there are times where totally, like
Speaker 1: genuinely I forget the specific part, but there are times
Speaker 1: where totally literally like leads the scarecrow and the line
Speaker 1: and the tin man in the right direction and they're like,
Speaker 1: oh wait, let's follow the dog. He's the one who
Speaker 1: um is like playing with the curtain that the action.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's behind and he pulls it across
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, don't expose me. Yeah exactly. So
Speaker 1: Total is the protagonist of this story, is what we're saying.
Speaker 1: A smart little guy. He's a smart little guy. He's
Speaker 1: smart dude. Yeah, hey, does the movie past the Bechtel test?
Speaker 1: It sure does, it does. There's a bunch of different scenes,
Speaker 1: starting with the Chicks scene. That was the right way
Speaker 1: I noticed was when Dorothy comes in and it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: this lady is trying to take my dog and she's like,
Speaker 1: shut up, I'm trying to count chicks seventy. I hope
Speaker 1: that that was a hot improvised line, and she was like,
Speaker 1: what's a depressive number of her chicks? And then a
Speaker 1: few scenes later, Dorothy Antim and Miss Cultural talking. Miss
Speaker 1: Culture has come to their house. She's like, give me
Speaker 1: the dog. I'm taking him away. I have an order
Speaker 1: from the sheriff. That's when like Auntie M's like, I
Speaker 1: want to tell you what I think you but I'm
Speaker 1: a Christian woman, so I can't call you. She also
Speaker 1: signed twenty three years is as like any three years?
Speaker 1: That is great improvisation though, right then prophecy and that's depth,
Speaker 1: that's starting from the middle, that's giving a little background.
Speaker 1: We're like, wait, tell us more about twenty did you
Speaker 1: move from WANs a lot of land? You're setting up
Speaker 1: The scene is as Miss calls to their landlord, we
Speaker 1: don't know, well, I don't think so, because she's like,
Speaker 1: just because you own half the county doesn't give you
Speaker 1: the power the rest of us, Oh, the rest of us.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm not owned by you. Also miss calls
Speaker 1: what year is it get a car? If you're a
Speaker 1: landowner or you're riding a bike, maybe he wants the exercise.
Speaker 1: But then where is our She's wearing like a dress
Speaker 1: that could get caught in the bicycle chains. But wait,
Speaker 1: even though this was filmed the nineteen nine may not
Speaker 1: have been set in nineteen because it's a horse in
Speaker 1: a carriage. He's fixing a cart. True, and they live
Speaker 1: the horse free when the tornadoes there, Oh yeah they do,
Speaker 1: and then and then and then even the horse comes
Speaker 1: back and an emerald in the Emerald city. That used
Speaker 1: to be my favorite part of the movie is the
Speaker 1: horse that changes colors, holds of a different color. Talk
Speaker 1: about dip a pet. Yeah, that pet hard. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: had to die those like probably several different horses. I
Speaker 1: remember one time I was watching that movie with all
Speaker 1: my cousins, and my cousin Chloe was like, the horses
Speaker 1: like a mood ring. And we were like, whoa, the
Speaker 1: horses like a mood ring. Just some food for thought
Speaker 1: for all you intellectuals out there. Uh. There's a few
Speaker 1: other scenes where it passes the Bechdel test. Whenever Dorothy
Speaker 1: meets Glinda. She's like, are you a good witch or
Speaker 1: a bad witch? And she's like, witches are old and ugly,
Speaker 1: and she's like, that can't beat rue because I'm beautiful.
Speaker 1: I'm banking hunt her, love her dress. And then the
Speaker 1: Wicked Witch of the West shows up and then they
Speaker 1: I'll talk and she's like, who killed my sister her?
Speaker 1: Was it you? They talk about the ruby slippers. In fact,
Speaker 1: I think when women are talking to each other in
Speaker 1: this movie, it's almost never about a man, unless it's
Speaker 1: about the Wizard or Toto. Toto. Yeah, for viewing Toto
Speaker 1: as a man, he's male, he's at identifying right they are.
Speaker 1: They do talk about the Wizard. So let me retract
Speaker 1: that stupid thing that I said. No, no, no, I mean,
Speaker 1: but I think that it's ever like a romantic interest,
Speaker 1: which so you know, this is an unless we're to
Speaker 1: read in maybe Dorothy has a little crush on Hunk,
Speaker 1: which I think in this movie world she probably does.
Speaker 1: If you're dreaming at the end, you're given a nice
Speaker 1: long hug to the hunk. Figure, who would it? But
Speaker 1: I mean she's twelve. Towards the end, it passes the
Speaker 1: beck to test again, Dorothy is in the Witch's castle.
Speaker 1: She's like, give me back my dog, and she's like
Speaker 1: give me my fucking slippers and she's like no, all
Speaker 1: conversations the past, the back to test. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I think, yeah, I think you're right that almost
Speaker 1: every exchange between women in this movie, which there are
Speaker 1: a fair amount of passive actel test and it was
Speaker 1: nice to like watch it with that in mind and
Speaker 1: be like, oh, you know, it passes as well as
Speaker 1: I would hope it would. It passes better than The Women,
Speaker 1: which does not pass the factel test amazingly. Wait did
Speaker 1: does it? There are very small exchanges where they're not
Speaker 1: talking about high but there You're right. There wasn't a
Speaker 1: single man on screen the entire movie, which is amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but also they're never not talking about, ever not talking
Speaker 1: about It's crazy. I'll give it another shot, but I
Speaker 1: don't think i'll ever like it anyway. Um let's write
Speaker 1: a Wizard of Oz on our nipple scale. We uh
Speaker 1: write the movie on a scale of zero to five
Speaker 1: nipples based on its portrayal of women. I'm going to
Speaker 1: give it five nipples. Dorothy, I think is a strong character,
Speaker 1: especially considering the time, very iconic female protagonist then in
Speaker 1: this movie is like the test of time, and she's
Speaker 1: in our logo for crying out like she is in
Speaker 1: our logo. Yeah, illustrated by our very own Jamie Loftus.
Speaker 1: I just picked the ones I liked. She drives the story.
Speaker 1: She's making a lot of decisions. She does have to
Speaker 1: be saved, but as you pointed out, would the people
Speaker 1: who saved her have the tools to even do so
Speaker 1: if she had not empowered them in the first place.
Speaker 1: That's a great example of setting yourself up on the
Speaker 1: back end so that when you're in a fucking spot,
Speaker 1: you're like, well, at least I trained these people to
Speaker 1: rescue me. Yeah. And then the other female characters, they're
Speaker 1: you know, they're distinct, they're in charge of stuff, they're
Speaker 1: making that they're doing their own stuff. They can count
Speaker 1: to seventy at least least, but she kept counting put
Speaker 1: them in a half. Uncle Henry meanwhile, I was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't graduate past the sixth grade. I don't. He's
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I mean, especially compared to the men
Speaker 1: in the story, a lot of them are beta males.
Speaker 1: A lot of them have like get a beta male
Speaker 1: counter on this how many time betas on the brain.
Speaker 1: A lot of them are like, you know, subordinates of
Speaker 1: a woman who's in power, Give me your subordinates. This
Speaker 1: is I think pretty sure what's written on the statue
Speaker 1: of so Yeah, I'm gonna say it's five five nipples,
Speaker 1: and they all belong to the cowardly lion because he
Speaker 1: is a feline with I think cats have I like it. Yeah, cat,
Speaker 1: that's a They might even have eight, like even the boys.
Speaker 1: All boys have nipples. All embryos start out but six
Speaker 1: as female, and then as we learn in Jurassic Park,
Speaker 1: there's but six. I think six for boys too. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna look it up. NTO, I say it's a five
Speaker 1: nipple cast around. I feel like I've argued my points,
Speaker 1: and even when she needed to be rescued, it was
Speaker 1: still being rescued from a woman who wanted the shoes
Speaker 1: back for infinite power. True. Okay, here we go, eight
Speaker 1: eight nips. I like that. The picture is a cat
Speaker 1: with a banana nipples. Google how many nipples does a
Speaker 1: cat have? And then in like a very large fun
Speaker 1: eight nipples, and then a photo with a cat someone
Speaker 1: holding a banana to the cat to entice it and
Speaker 1: all eight of its nipples. I give this movie eight nipples. No,
Speaker 1: I give it. I give it five nipples too. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think especially for I mean, if you're going on
Speaker 1: the yardstick of nine, if we're going on the yardstick
Speaker 1: of Mickey Rooney's Sir Killer, which would not pass the
Speaker 1: factial test because it is Mickey Rooney's Weeney World. But
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, this whole story does a great job
Speaker 1: of empowering its female characters, almost as a bonus. It's like,
Speaker 1: and all the men are flawed in one way or another,
Speaker 1: and that's that's fun, but all the female characters are great.
Speaker 1: And give it five nips. And give two nips to
Speaker 1: the Wicked Witch of the East, because we don't get
Speaker 1: to see her nips. We get to see everyone has
Speaker 1: a nips, just her feet. We get to see so
Speaker 1: many nips in I'll give two of those nips to
Speaker 1: Judy Garland's bound down nips. So she looked a little
Speaker 1: more twelve, but she didn't look twelve, so it's almost
Speaker 1: just like, let her nips go free. And then I'll
Speaker 1: give one nip to the line even though apparently he
Speaker 1: had seven others. Great Hey, ever, This has been a
Speaker 1: delight so much. Thank you so much here and talking
Speaker 1: about this movie with us. Do you have anything you'd
Speaker 1: like to plug? Where can people find you online? You
Speaker 1: can find me online at ever Maynard, emmy I and
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Speaker 1: had full synchronicity and then we had snapchat. Um, when
Speaker 1: does this go up? This will go up mid June. Okay,
Speaker 1: you can catch me and Caitlyn will be there too
Speaker 1: for Maynard Town the next edition and and um, hell yes,
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Speaker 1: Maynard to improvised town hall meeting. I play the safety
Speaker 1: patrol officer, self appointed, self appointed, talk about an empowered
Speaker 1: female care No one's gonna put me in charge. I'll
Speaker 1: put myself, put Caitlan in a corner. It's dangerous there. Cool. Well,
Speaker 1: we're off to see the Wizard. Well, anyways, thank you
Speaker 1: for having me, because thank you so much. It's been
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Speaker 1: good night, bye bye,