Speaker 1: On the Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies have
Speaker 1: women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
Speaker 1: or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef and Best
Speaker 1: start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hi, Welcome
Speaker 1: to the beck Del Cast. My name is Jamie, my
Speaker 1: name is Caitlin, and this is our movie podcast about
Speaker 1: the girls, the girls, for the girls. Women. We're not
Speaker 1: girls were women were sorry and neither was not anyone.
Speaker 1: There's no girls where you're born grown up adult with
Speaker 1: a woman child, just like Boss? Baby? Who's that movie?
Speaker 1: Just like Baby? I don't know, I you know? Who?
Speaker 1: Is it? For eating a cheeseburger Today? You're reaching a
Speaker 1: cheeseburg in lieu of a Mike's Hard lemonade. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm making some changes in my life. Follow your heart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a tangential change, but it's a change. It
Speaker 1: changes the change. Our podcast is about the portrayal of
Speaker 1: women in film. It's it's by by the Bechdel Tests.
Speaker 1: It's a test that requires that two women in a movie,
Speaker 1: they have to talk to each other and it has
Speaker 1: to be about something other than a man. We prefer
Speaker 1: that they have names but sometimes we'll give them a pass. Hey,
Speaker 1: there is that. I didn't get to see it. It's
Speaker 1: gone now, but fun Home was in town. It's connected
Speaker 1: to the Bechdel Test because it's based on a graphic novel,
Speaker 1: a musical version of that. I didn't know that it
Speaker 1: was as well. I want to ask our guests about
Speaker 1: it because she got to see it. Um our guest today.
Speaker 1: She is Buttercup on Powerpuff Girls. She is in everything
Speaker 1: that UCB does. Ever, Natalie Pelamide, has it gone? Thanks
Speaker 1: so much for having me wait here? Did you love
Speaker 1: fun Home? Oh my god, I freaking love fun I
Speaker 1: cried the last twenty minutes of it. It's just so moving,
Speaker 1: it's really funny. The music is really great and powerful.
Speaker 1: It gives you goose bumps. Just a good story. It's
Speaker 1: the you know, it's the true story about Alison Ptel's
Speaker 1: life and her relationship with her father who was closeted,
Speaker 1: and then you know, it's her story about coming out
Speaker 1: as well and how they deal with that together. But
Speaker 1: it's just, oh my god, it's I've listened to the
Speaker 1: album and I've read the book, but I haven't gotten
Speaker 1: to see you yet. I should see it if you can.
Speaker 1: I still haven't finished the one Alison Bechdel book I
Speaker 1: have bought. I wish I remember what it was called.
Speaker 1: It's not It's Your Mama a Llama, because that's a
Speaker 1: different book, but it sounds like I don't think that
Speaker 1: she wrote your Mama is a Lama. No, she definitely
Speaker 1: did not. But that's what the title of this book
Speaker 1: reminds me of. I went to uh there was like
Speaker 1: a book sale at the library and I got a
Speaker 1: bunch of kids books with like illustrations that I liked,
Speaker 1: and there's one called Runaway Pickle and it's about a
Speaker 1: pickle that runs away. Recommendation of the cast I would
Speaker 1: like to formally endorse a book. I'm pretty sure it's
Speaker 1: called Runaway Pickle. Well, hey, you at the or if
Speaker 1: you want to read that book you showed, you should
Speaker 1: also read Are You My Mother, which is the name
Speaker 1: of the Alice in Becktel book, not Is Your Mama
Speaker 1: a Lama? Kail And I'm going to really try to
Speaker 1: lean in on the mouth the noises of me eating
Speaker 1: this cheeseburger, because I know you're going to edit this
Speaker 1: later and I just like want to feel close to you.
Speaker 1: Thank you all right, Clara Stuttles really disgusted because he
Speaker 1: too can hear everyone. I'm sorry, he's also probably upset
Speaker 1: they're eating beef in his presence because Air Stuttle is
Speaker 1: a dirty, dirty vegan. I'm sorry for triggering everyone with
Speaker 1: my with my bad eating habits, but you know, it
Speaker 1: is what it is. Hey, your body, your choice, you know,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the What a beautiful way to learn
Speaker 1: that lesson by like actively polluting your body. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: movie we're talking about today that you have brought us,
Speaker 1: Natalie is The sand Lot. Yes, it's a classic, a
Speaker 1: modern classic. So when did you first see this movie?
Speaker 1: What's your relationship to this movie? I saw the movie
Speaker 1: when I was maybe seven or eight years old, and
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I mean the nostalgia that I experienced
Speaker 1: when I'm watching it is is powerful. You know. It's
Speaker 1: just it reminds me of Fourth of July, like being
Speaker 1: outside and playing baseball. Even though I'm not a boy,
Speaker 1: I relate to it just because like my cousins, even
Speaker 1: my girl cousins, would all like play sam Lot, like
Speaker 1: I would be squints Paladoras because my last name is Palomides,
Speaker 1: and I had like really big glasses too, just like Squints.
Speaker 1: So I really related to Squints, you know, even though
Speaker 1: he wasn't isn't my same gender, I thought just me
Speaker 1: and him should get married. So you or we're the
Speaker 1: same person. Yeah, did either way be a good match. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you've probably like seen this movie? Have you seen
Speaker 1: it a bunch of times? I watched it every year
Speaker 1: on Fourth of July without fail. Usually I'm drunk. We
Speaker 1: come home and been like drinking all day, and then
Speaker 1: we watched the Sad Lot. That's so nice. Yeah. When year,
Speaker 1: I even watched it by myself because I was away
Speaker 1: from my family. I still got drunken watched it myself.
Speaker 1: That's sad. Where did you grow up Pittsburgh? Outside of
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh from western Pennsylvania, but like rural Yeah, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty rural where I grew up. It's like an
Speaker 1: hour outside the city. Cool. Yeah, we'll talk about that later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we talked a lot about Pennsylvania and Massachusetts that we
Speaker 1: do in the cast that Alison Bechtel's from Pennsylvania, kidding,
Speaker 1: I can see all of Pennsylvania. Yeah, it's one of
Speaker 1: the songs we should listen to that soundtrack in a
Speaker 1: locked room and just release it's really good to but yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's usually Yeah, brings a lot on a lot
Speaker 1: of nostalgia at the movie makes me think about, you know,
Speaker 1: family barbecues and just playing baseball with my family and
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, you know, being outside all day.
Speaker 1: Those are the kind of memories that it evokes. Yeah. Cool.
Speaker 1: I saw this movie for the first time, I think
Speaker 1: probably in college, which is when I saw most of
Speaker 1: the movies I've seen. But um I told this story
Speaker 1: on an earlier episode of the podcast. But I was
Speaker 1: at a friend's house like a little pool party, and
Speaker 1: all the boys were like, hey, let's go inside and
Speaker 1: watch The sand Lot. And then they put like the
Speaker 1: VHS tape in the VCR and it was a porn
Speaker 1: movie and not The sand Lot. But because it wasn't
Speaker 1: porn version out of the sand it was a woman.
Speaker 1: It was just a woman being fisted with baseball with
Speaker 1: a baby side off. But because I did not know
Speaker 1: what The sand Lot was at the time, I somehow
Speaker 1: like when it came out, I missed it. I was
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just like, wasn't the gender or
Speaker 1: the demographic that that movie was intended for. I also
Speaker 1: grew up under a rock, so I didn't know that
Speaker 1: I wasn't watching The sand Lot when we were I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, the Sandlot is a porn movie. I
Speaker 1: guess about being a kid and making friend. It wasn't
Speaker 1: until years later that I discovered what the Sandlot actually was.
Speaker 1: Funding nickname for your vagina the sand the Sandon Welcome
Speaker 1: to this and that I had a very scary dream
Speaker 1: the other night. I used to have, like when I
Speaker 1: was a little The first movie I ever saw to
Speaker 1: the point where I don't even remember seeing it, but
Speaker 1: it like seeped into my consciousness was Aladdin, and I
Speaker 1: used to be so scared of the cave that would
Speaker 1: rise out of the same yeah, and there was I
Speaker 1: still have dreams about the cave, and I used to
Speaker 1: have like this. I used to sleepalk all lot when
Speaker 1: I was a little kid, and there was like this
Speaker 1: short flight of stairs that I fell down multiple times
Speaker 1: because I like I was having a dream that the
Speaker 1: cave was at the bottom of the stairs and I
Speaker 1: would just launch myself what to what was not the
Speaker 1: cave at all. It was thankfully a soft carpet at
Speaker 1: the bottom, but still at the bottom of stairs, like
Speaker 1: lots of rug burn. Yeah, I had the hots for Jafar. Really,
Speaker 1: it's my most memorable thing. Laden. Yeah, he was my
Speaker 1: first crush, the little twisty beard kind of guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I like, yeah, wait, I just want to
Speaker 1: set the record straight and say that my nickname from
Speaker 1: my vagina is box office flop. But oh I love that.
Speaker 1: But I can we can call the sand Lot to
Speaker 1: thinking of the sand Lot too returned with the sand Lot.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's terrible. I can't believe they've even
Speaker 1: made that. They ruined it. I didn't see the super
Speaker 1: Was that a directive video? Yeah, I didn't see it.
Speaker 1: When did you see The Sandlet for the first time, Jamie.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing it where my my oldest cousin, Aaron,
Speaker 1: used to love that movie. He was a couple of
Speaker 1: years older than me and so we all would like
Speaker 1: watch it together in the den when we were little. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was nice. I didn't It wasn't like one of
Speaker 1: my favorite favorite movies. But it's like kind of the
Speaker 1: same as you just reminded me of hanging out with
Speaker 1: my cousins when I was little, and I wasn't I
Speaker 1: wasn't baseball or sports girl in general, Like some of
Speaker 1: my cousins would split off and play the sand lot
Speaker 1: and re enact that movie. And then yeah, and then
Speaker 1: in the backyard, me and my cousin Tammy would try
Speaker 1: to re enact the Lindsay Lohan version of the parents.
Speaker 1: That was like what we would do. So the movie,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the Let's start with the characters. The
Speaker 1: main boy characters are Scottie. He's like the protagonist who's
Speaker 1: the story sort of unfolds through his point of view.
Speaker 1: And then his best friend Benny Rodriguez, like the cool kid.
Speaker 1: He's super good. It's changed, You're just like Benny. I know,
Speaker 1: he's so much taller. Yeah, I think I might still
Speaker 1: serve about a crush. And I remember I had a
Speaker 1: like he was such a cute pan He's a good
Speaker 1: looking young kid who is not inappropriate for us. Okay,
Speaker 1: Then we got Squints like you, he was my crush.
Speaker 1: And then he's a little underdog Timmy and Tommy the brothers,
Speaker 1: and then yeah, yeah is the little short kid. Then
Speaker 1: we got Ham and Kenny de Nunez and Bertram. That's
Speaker 1: with the nine remember Bertram. All the glasses. Oh I remember,
Speaker 1: I remember him now? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I lost track
Speaker 1: of a few of them. Some of them blended together
Speaker 1: brings the chaw. Yes. So that's the main boys. And
Speaker 1: then as far as the women go, where are they Mom?
Speaker 1: Scotty's mom played by Karen Allen who is never even
Speaker 1: named just mom. And then you've got Wendy Peppercorn. Hey wait,
Speaker 1: should I do the the recap? Do their eat cap?
Speaker 1: I guess what little semblance of a story it has
Speaker 1: coming in? High's going to pass out? And well, okay,
Speaker 1: so it's about these nine boys who play baseball every
Speaker 1: day of this summer. I think it's in nine two,
Speaker 1: And we focus on Scottie who moved to the neighborhood
Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm Bad's my dad And he's like,
Speaker 1: I want to play baseball, but I'm not good at it.
Speaker 1: But I want to make friends. But they're all good baseball.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how all we can do.
Speaker 1: A little boy voices this whole episode, Oh man, I mean,
Speaker 1: and then he like approaches these boys who were playing
Speaker 1: at this place called the Sand Law, which is this
Speaker 1: like magical place where boys play baseball every day and
Speaker 1: then he's really bad, but they sort of accept him
Speaker 1: whenever he shows that he can like finally catch a ball.
Speaker 1: And then they play every day and then there's this
Speaker 1: beast who lives in a backyard at the neighboring house,
Speaker 1: and they're like, don't go to the beast. We lose
Speaker 1: all these baseballs. No, it's scary for the baseballs. There's
Speaker 1: so many baseballs over the fence by the beasts. So
Speaker 1: one day they are playing and by this halfway through
Speaker 1: the movie, and the inciting incident doesn't really happen until
Speaker 1: this they bust a ball open. Benny because he's so
Speaker 1: good at baseball. He's like, I'm gonna mash this ball up.
Speaker 1: And they ruined this baseball and Scotty's like, hey, I
Speaker 1: got a baseball at my house. I'm gonna use it.
Speaker 1: Scott is so eager to little it was assigned by
Speaker 1: Babe Ruth, who he doesn't know who that is, baby Ruth.
Speaker 1: That was a fun yeah, like who is she? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then they lose it and the beast gets it,
Speaker 1: so they have to like orchestrate this whole like rescue it.
Speaker 1: Halfway through the movie pretty much, but they're building their
Speaker 1: friendship and everything and establishing. I mean it's like to
Speaker 1: be a kid, you know. Yeah, it does take a
Speaker 1: while for things to actually start happenings. Some great moments
Speaker 1: come before, you know, like the smorn and everything smores
Speaker 1: and then they rescue this ball, but not before the
Speaker 1: beast gets out and he's a big dog and he
Speaker 1: chased them through the neighborhood and there's a cake and
Speaker 1: then it falls on everyone. And then and Benny has
Speaker 1: BF Flyers fast jump Fire and a ghost at the
Speaker 1: Babe Ruth ghost visits Benny and at his house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I have the same shoes as Benny. Very nice
Speaker 1: sam audition PA Flyers, and then they discover that the
Speaker 1: old man who lives in the house that the beast
Speaker 1: is at is Yeah. James Jon Jones, former Yankees baseball
Speaker 1: player who knew Babe Ruth, remind me that I caught
Speaker 1: a flyball once, but it was like with my back
Speaker 1: brace when I was twelve, I would have gotten hit
Speaker 1: and like maybe hurt, but it hit. I was leaning over.
Speaker 1: I was reading a magazine feature about Josh Hartnett, of course,
Speaker 1: and the flyball at the baseball game that we had
Speaker 1: gone to as a school field trip, like fell in
Speaker 1: between the seat and my back brace, so that it
Speaker 1: just I was like, what was that? And it was
Speaker 1: a fly ball at a Providence White Sox game. Was good.
Speaker 1: I still have it at my house, Uncle John, thank you.
Speaker 1: Is it in your trophy room? It's in my trophy room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of trophies. They're all heads of
Speaker 1: the men you've decapitated. Yeah. It's a stinky little room,
Speaker 1: but I'm proud of it. Uh cool. So that's mostly
Speaker 1: the story. They like talked to James ald Jones and
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, here, here's a new ball. It has
Speaker 1: all the signatures from the Yankees. I like how James
Speaker 1: Earl Jones blackmails them into being his friends. I thought
Speaker 1: that was really nice. And also just like that's such
Speaker 1: a nice scene to where he's like, please be my friend.
Speaker 1: He's basically like the Boo Radley of the community. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I didn't even think of that. And then
Speaker 1: he turns out to be a nice guy. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I have I had a lot of questions when I
Speaker 1: watched it this time. I never like questioned the world
Speaker 1: that the sand Lott takes place in. But it's like,
Speaker 1: so first of all, there's no women live in this town.
Speaker 1: But in regards to James Old Jones, I have so
Speaker 1: many questions. Where did his life go wrong? Besides being blind?
Speaker 1: Did he never get it a second wind? He lost
Speaker 1: his career, He never had a backup plan, especially one
Speaker 1: that involved him being blind. I don't know if he
Speaker 1: lives in that little doesn't think doesn't doesn't major League
Speaker 1: Baseball give you workmen's comp when you go blind. We'll
Speaker 1: have to make some calls. You might have. He might
Speaker 1: have squandered all his baseball cash. And then you know,
Speaker 1: also like he's blind living on his own. Imagine taking
Speaker 1: care of a house by yourself. That's a dog dogs
Speaker 1: probably tuning everything. He's not even a seeing eye dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Yeah. Anyway, as we mentioned, there are almost
Speaker 1: no women except for Scotty's mom and Wendy Peppercorn. They
Speaker 1: don't touch to each other. Yeah, yeah, no, they were
Speaker 1: like women. Sometimes they're like, hey, there's one uh like
Speaker 1: in that when the boys are thrown out of the pool,
Speaker 1: there's a mom who looks at I'm like, what do
Speaker 1: you do? Yeah? For listeners of the cast, I just
Speaker 1: made an O shape with my mouth to indicate shock
Speaker 1: in fairness though, like, are there like any boys in like,
Speaker 1: you know, the Baby Stairs Club. True, Baby Stairs Club
Speaker 1: for sure passes the BacT Old test, but this is
Speaker 1: kind of like the dude version of like it is
Speaker 1: like a boys club kind of movie, but a lot
Speaker 1: of girls watch it. Yeah, I don't remember like feeling
Speaker 1: weird about it. It's don't remember feeling weird either. It's
Speaker 1: weird because it's like it's a story where women are absent,
Speaker 1: but they don't really with the exception of Wendy fefforcorn
Speaker 1: um or is that how you say peffer peffer Feffer.
Speaker 1: I was imagining a pfefforcorn No, it's peppercorn, yeah, i'
Speaker 1: but they it's not really that condescending to women. It's
Speaker 1: just a world that don't really stand. Well, there's the
Speaker 1: it you play ball like a girl, right, There's a
Speaker 1: number of instances. So I made note of this. I
Speaker 1: think that it's horribly condescending to women. And yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: taking a strong stance on this episode. You guys love it.
Speaker 1: There's a scene where this other group of like baseball
Speaker 1: boys roll up and they're sort of like insult battling.
Speaker 1: They're roasting each other if you will, it's a roast. Oh,
Speaker 1: I see your sister out in left field. She's naked, right.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but that's the game before they play the
Speaker 1: game against each other. Ham and this other kid from
Speaker 1: this other team are like hurling insults at each other
Speaker 1: and they're going back and forth and it keeps heightening
Speaker 1: because they're like, you're dumb, you're a dork, you are
Speaker 1: spart smeller, you are a toe jam liquor like stuff
Speaker 1: like that. And then Ham goes, oh, yeah, well you
Speaker 1: play like a girl. And then everyone goes as if
Speaker 1: that's the when you posset and you play all those
Speaker 1: tampon commercials. It's like, I don't play like I'm strong.
Speaker 1: I biposit And I was like, what was it is
Speaker 1: that the always company that co opted that? Um anyway,
Speaker 1: it's very possible. Okay, well a girl plays baseball in
Speaker 1: that commercial. Oh good, I'm so glad we get that
Speaker 1: representation in there. So that's one example of a few
Speaker 1: different instances where they use women as like the butt
Speaker 1: of a joke. Or when I was a kid, I
Speaker 1: wasn't insulted by that at all, and that was hilarious.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was wrong with me. They Another one
Speaker 1: is when they're debating whether or not to let like
Speaker 1: Scottie join the team. Um, Benny is like arguing for him,
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, we only have eight people. He
Speaker 1: makes nine and then someone I think it might be yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: or squints or someone goes so with my sister, but
Speaker 1: I didn't bring her that, like why would we, Like
Speaker 1: what a horrible choice that would have been. And then
Speaker 1: there's another scene where it's super hot outside and they're
Speaker 1: all like it's too hot to play and Benny's like,
Speaker 1: come on, guys, let's do it. And they're like no,
Speaker 1: and he's like, all right, well, anyone who wants to
Speaker 1: be a can't hack it pantywaist? Who where's their mama's bra?
Speaker 1: And they're all like, yeah, we're fine with that. But
Speaker 1: just like that was a fun one though. It's just okay,
Speaker 1: Sure these like young boys, right, like young locker room talk.
Speaker 1: They're not going to be at the forefront of a
Speaker 1: feminist movement. Sure they're young boys from nine two. But
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Young kids, boys and girls are watching
Speaker 1: this movie, and this audience is like very impressionable, easily
Speaker 1: influenced so to like hear things like this from a movie,
Speaker 1: they're like, Oh, that's that's okay, that's okay, Like that's
Speaker 1: all right to think the guys we have to deal
Speaker 1: with these days. I mean, it must have grown up
Speaker 1: watching that movie. Man, I'm ready to hold the sand
Speaker 1: Loan accountable feminists. I think that. I mean, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been difficult to add. I mean, and this would
Speaker 1: be like the very very very least is kind of
Speaker 1: like a girl on the team who had to you know,
Speaker 1: take that ship and then say hey and then throw
Speaker 1: one good pitch Like that sounds like the team to
Speaker 1: be so bad, right, just to give the I think
Speaker 1: I would have liked the movie so much more the girl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at least one right, because like sort, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's unrealistic for these boys to be thinking and talking
Speaker 1: this way about girls. But because it goes unchallenged, is
Speaker 1: I think what bothers me? And like, no one's like that,
Speaker 1: don't talk that way about me. Yeah, I think about
Speaker 1: how hilarious it would have been if he was like,
Speaker 1: what do you play ball like a girl? And then
Speaker 1: I was like, and then she's like the best player
Speaker 1: on the team, you know, or something like and she's like,
Speaker 1: what's that supposed to me? And you know he's like,
Speaker 1: oh sorry. You know, there's moments there, there's man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would love if there was a girl, at least
Speaker 1: one girl. I still wouldn't help this movie pass the
Speaker 1: back to all tests, but it would be cool. And
Speaker 1: also I'd like there, you know, most of them are
Speaker 1: like little shitty mouth breathing boys that it makes sense
Speaker 1: further because they're supposed to be what like nine and
Speaker 1: ten or something that young. And but I mean you've
Speaker 1: got Scottie and Benny and they're both pretty good kids,
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, they seem like the sort
Speaker 1: of characters that could interact with like a woman child
Speaker 1: and and have it, you know, not be really condescending
Speaker 1: and go well. But they did not do that, which
Speaker 1: is not entirely surprising because this is written, directed, produced,
Speaker 1: it's all guys who made this movie, which is I've
Speaker 1: never been less surprised, But because it's a little boy movie.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, was written and directed by David Evans and
Speaker 1: then uh, someone named Robert Gunter also has a writing
Speaker 1: credit on it, so they're responsible. Could we say that
Speaker 1: it's important to make movies that are just like, like,
Speaker 1: let's say that The sand Lot was like all girls
Speaker 1: about like a girl's softball team. You know, do you
Speaker 1: think people would be upset that there was no boy? Like,
Speaker 1: obviously people are upset because in movies there's already a
Speaker 1: lack of women represented. But let's just say it was
Speaker 1: the opposite, it was like all women. Would people be like, oh,
Speaker 1: there should have been a boy in there. Some men's
Speaker 1: rights activists to be like, why aren't through? But like,
Speaker 1: the females are already so underrepresented in film, right when
Speaker 1: you feature like a marginalized group. Yeah, it's it's tricky
Speaker 1: because I do understand the argument that could be made
Speaker 1: of like this is a movie about little boys, and
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you, Kaitlin that like the way
Speaker 1: that they talk about girls is never challenged and and
Speaker 1: that is you know, maybe that's realistic, but it's a movie.
Speaker 1: It's very easy to just throw in any sort of
Speaker 1: challenge from anyone. And there's a lot of stuff about
Speaker 1: this movie, like it takes place in nineteen sixty two,
Speaker 1: and there is a Hispanic character, there's a black character.
Speaker 1: This is not addressed at all, And that's you know,
Speaker 1: like that it's not that kind of movie that is
Speaker 1: going to address racial issues. But it's weird because outside
Speaker 1: of gender, it is relatively inclusive or at least, you know,
Speaker 1: we see those characters on screen, and I don't I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know where this is going. It's just weird
Speaker 1: because there's a few cop outs in that it's the summer,
Speaker 1: so we never need to see them at school, and
Speaker 1: that's where we would see girls. But even like at
Speaker 1: the pool and stuff, like, there's no girl that they
Speaker 1: consider an equal in this movie because Wendy Peffercorn is
Speaker 1: like older and like a of them or whatever. And
Speaker 1: then there's uh, Scottie's mom, and so there's no girl
Speaker 1: who's on their level to interact with and and and
Speaker 1: that is that is kind of where and even like
Speaker 1: unusual for this kind of movie. Yeah, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not even so much that I'm upset by the lack
Speaker 1: of women in the movie. All others certainly could be more.
Speaker 1: It's just I suppose the way that they think about women,
Speaker 1: Like I said, girls and women are used as an
Speaker 1: insult every time. It's basically like we we think that
Speaker 1: women are inherently bad and bad at sports and bad
Speaker 1: at throwing, and they are basically just lesser than us.
Speaker 1: So we are going to use that as an opportunity
Speaker 1: to insult each other by calling each other girls, or
Speaker 1: by insinuating that you're being girlish if you were being
Speaker 1: weak or not good at baseball. What do you think
Speaker 1: about Squints and Wendy Peffercorn getting together with and turns
Speaker 1: in that relationship, like you right before the credits, it's
Speaker 1: like Squints and Wendy had like so many kids together, Yeah,
Speaker 1: could not stop. What do we think about that? Well, first,
Speaker 1: she's like this powerful woman who like kicks his ass
Speaker 1: out of the pool, you know, because he sexually assaults her.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, right, oh yeah, yeah, he pulls her down
Speaker 1: like that's not good, and but that is true, Like
Speaker 1: it's never betrayed, like I you know, never even crossed
Speaker 1: my mind as an adult, like watching this movie. I
Speaker 1: watched it every year, you know, I said, never crossed
Speaker 1: my mind that, Like she's getting sexually assaulted. In my head,
Speaker 1: I'm like a goofy kid. It's like a fast one
Speaker 1: on her, you know, yeah, I mean the voiceover from
Speaker 1: older Scottie after that sequence, I was like, whoa this
Speaker 1: is it would have like it's still would have been
Speaker 1: very strange to you know, because Squint's literally like pulls
Speaker 1: this girl down and she's trying to do her job,
Speaker 1: and she's doing a good job, but she kicks them out,
Speaker 1: and that is like, okay, good, you know, she stood
Speaker 1: up for herself and got these kids the funk out
Speaker 1: of there. But then the voiceover kicks in and it
Speaker 1: was like, man, now it's so fucking cool. What a
Speaker 1: bold little kid, And like that was he was a hero.
Speaker 1: He kissed a girl and did a and then and
Speaker 1: then the part that like ruined Wendy Peppercorn for me
Speaker 1: is when later it's like at every time he passed
Speaker 1: the pool, she would smile at him. I was like,
Speaker 1: why what a little weird never happened. She'd be like,
Speaker 1: oh god, the kid. Yeah, I would have like a
Speaker 1: dark gun and like blow poisons darts at him. If
Speaker 1: I would love to see a dark gun. I might
Speaker 1: get in trouble for saying this, but like it's just
Speaker 1: like there's this fine line between like technically it's sexual assault,
Speaker 1: but then also he's like this stupid kid that just
Speaker 1: thinks like this is the way to like hit on
Speaker 1: Wendy pepper Corn or like you know, the way it's
Speaker 1: presented is like he's like, this is my one shot
Speaker 1: to like make his move, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't even understand that like that would be
Speaker 1: considered assault. Yeah, I mean in the movie, and I
Speaker 1: think that the thing that bothered me more than the
Speaker 1: fact that it actually happened was that the adult like
Speaker 1: like like thirty years later is like that was cool,
Speaker 1: like no regrets, you know, like that that was what
Speaker 1: bothered me more. Yeah, we're like the narration like this,
Speaker 1: you know whatever, The omniscient smart guy says it's fine
Speaker 1: because he says what Squints did was sneaky, low rotten. Yeah, cool, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's that's at least they like partially acknowledged that it
Speaker 1: was like uns Yeah. And then after they've gotten kicked
Speaker 1: out of the pool and as they're walking away, Ham
Speaker 1: is like did you plan that? And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been putting it for a while and it's actually
Speaker 1: trigger I want to break this down a little bit
Speaker 1: more because this scene was so alarming to me. But
Speaker 1: before that happens, when we're introduced to Wendy Peppercorn for
Speaker 1: the first time. She's so heavily objectified. It's insane, like
Speaker 1: for like a fourteen year old girl, and she's she's young,
Speaker 1: she's probably meant to be like sixteen, but even that's
Speaker 1: still so the first time you meet her, she's walking
Speaker 1: down the street and then there's a shot of just
Speaker 1: her butt like as she's walking. It's just like a
Speaker 1: lingering male gaze shot of her ass. But that's what
Speaker 1: they're trying to portray though, right, I mean, they're portraying
Speaker 1: like staring at her ass probably what I mean they're
Speaker 1: They're they're saying that Squints attracted her, yes, but doesn't
Speaker 1: need to be in such a sleazy way filmically, I think. Cinematically, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that comes back to the lack of challenging
Speaker 1: anything where it's like you can have another shout out
Speaker 1: to headless Women in Hollywood one of my favorite blogs ever,
Speaker 1: and that's like one of those classic things where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's you know, a woman's ass and we know nothing
Speaker 1: about her except she's a lifeguard, and well it happens,
Speaker 1: it happens again. You know, that's the dream of mine.
Speaker 1: That's really all Squints knows about her too. She just
Speaker 1: has a crush from afar on this girl that he
Speaker 1: thinks is pretty, and really all he knows about her
Speaker 1: is like her good looks. Sure, it is like that
Speaker 1: shallow from the kid's perspective, I think that can still
Speaker 1: be communicated on screen without isolating a shot of just
Speaker 1: her ass. And then it happens again when she's at
Speaker 1: the pool, you see just a shot of her breasts,
Speaker 1: like that she's putting on sunscreen. So like there's still
Speaker 1: ways to communicate that one cares attracted to another without
Speaker 1: like horribly objectifying them like that. Yes, but I think
Speaker 1: part of like the thing that I think is funny
Speaker 1: is that he is just like so like like drooling
Speaker 1: over like her ass. It's kind of like things that
Speaker 1: like guys do focus on, you know, and they're even
Speaker 1: like focus on my feet actually, you know, like they
Speaker 1: are you know for me, I don't think it's like
Speaker 1: so absurd to like show from his perspective that that's
Speaker 1: like all he's focusing on, because that probably is like
Speaker 1: what he's focusing on. Sure, I mean he's a horny
Speaker 1: little boy who's reaching puberty. Yeah, yeah, he's the first one.
Speaker 1: What do you would think of you Benny, but he's
Speaker 1: horny for the game. Yeah. I see what you're saying
Speaker 1: that it's like right to objectify women, but like that
Speaker 1: is his perspective that they're portraying. I understand. It still
Speaker 1: gross me out. I'm still like, yeah, and it probably wouldn't.
Speaker 1: It didn't gross me out. Like the first time I
Speaker 1: saw it, I didn't think anything of it, you know,
Speaker 1: like ten years ago, but now I'm like, you know
Speaker 1: what that that porn that I thought was the sand
Speaker 1: Lot where that woman is getting tristed is less subjectifying
Speaker 1: than this movie. Yeah, yeah, well yeah, I mean, especially
Speaker 1: in a movie for little kids, that's that's a weird
Speaker 1: precedent to be setting. And I mean, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: like kids are pretty sexual though, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like they I mean I made my barbies have sex
Speaker 1: with each other when I was like six years old.
Speaker 1: I used to. I used to make my Hunchback of
Speaker 1: Nu Puppets make out. Yeah, like I like made out
Speaker 1: with my Ventriloquist dummy, you know, like you would have
Speaker 1: been Trillo was dummy. Yeah. But like you know, I
Speaker 1: feel like people tend to forget that kids, like, even
Speaker 1: from a young age, are like sexual beings, you know,
Speaker 1: in their own like innocent way, you know, like I
Speaker 1: was like banging my barbies together or whatever. But kids
Speaker 1: still like have this like innate, like animalistic. But that's
Speaker 1: kind of all the more reason to show them a
Speaker 1: way of looking at people that isn't so I don't know,
Speaker 1: like reductive. I don't know. Because also they're like poking
Speaker 1: fun at Squints for like, he's like, so Google Gaga
Speaker 1: over this girl. Yeah, that's true to the point where
Speaker 1: he's willing to almost drown himself, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: my favorite line in the movie. It's man expository dialogue
Speaker 1: because he's about to like go jump in the pool
Speaker 1: and someone's like, but that's that deep end and Squints
Speaker 1: can't swim. It's like, cool, thanks for that, very like
Speaker 1: but yeah, so then he jumps in the pool and
Speaker 1: he's like, I guess pretends to drown or also maybe
Speaker 1: you can't swim. But then Wendy saves him and she's
Speaker 1: performing CPR and him and like the second or third
Speaker 1: time she goes to blow aaron to his lungs, he's like,
Speaker 1: let's kitchen shing not how he talks now, but um,
Speaker 1: but I love that boys never and then what also
Speaker 1: bothered me after that she like I do like that.
Speaker 1: She's like, you little pervert, and she grabs him and
Speaker 1: like yanks him and she kicks them all out of
Speaker 1: the pool. But then two seconds later, when they're like
Speaker 1: outside of the fence, he like kind of waves at
Speaker 1: her and she just gives him this look like you
Speaker 1: little rascal, and it's like he just forcibly kissed you
Speaker 1: without your permission. It was just that was just a
Speaker 1: confusing to be of, Like she was just so mad
Speaker 1: and like pushed nine boys out simultaneously, and then like
Speaker 1: a few minutes later, she's like, you know what, you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny. This is like we're you cooled down, Wendy.
Speaker 1: I don't know that that whole sequence like it started out.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, it's good that she's kicking their ass.
Speaker 1: And then it's or have ended, like and then you've
Speaker 1: you had nine kids and they get together? Is this
Speaker 1: a good time to say that? Benny now is an
Speaker 1: L A P. D. Firefighter. Oh Benny Firefighter. He was
Speaker 1: higher from acting at the seven after being in D
Speaker 1: two and D three The Mighty Duck No Way got
Speaker 1: type cast and then he was like, I'm going out
Speaker 1: on top and I'm gonna save this beautiful city from fires.
Speaker 1: And he's oh god, oh. He was arrested for what
Speaker 1: Vitar and two other firemen were involved in a physical
Speaker 1: altercation with another man who was severely injured on Halloween.
Speaker 1: He was booked on December three for the incident and
Speaker 1: was later released on thirty bail. We don't, my gosh,
Speaker 1: he beat up a guy on Halloween, and his defense
Speaker 1: it was, yeah, maybe it's like the Purge, you can
Speaker 1: community crime, you one on Halloween? Or oh yeah, we're
Speaker 1: talk about Wendy Peppercorne. Um, here's something I had a
Speaker 1: question about. Does Dennis Larry and his wife with no
Speaker 1: name have a good marriage or do they hate each other.
Speaker 1: She seems a little bit scared of him. She's into
Speaker 1: like where he's always in his room. I scared to
Speaker 1: talk to him. She's like right where She's like, go
Speaker 1: talk to your dad. And I don't know, like the
Speaker 1: dynamic between them, Dennis Larry seemed very mean. First of all,
Speaker 1: I love that Dennis ar Yeah, Like, but what does
Speaker 1: he do's his job? Where's he going? He travels? He travels,
Speaker 1: He's and I get that, like we're sort of seeing
Speaker 1: his parents through Scotty's eyes where it's like no one
Speaker 1: totally you knows what their dad does, and like, you know, really, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have no idea. There's I asked someone what they
Speaker 1: dad did recently? Any answered like something involving bricks? Was
Speaker 1: that me? Because my dad's a bricklayer? But I know
Speaker 1: that my st is your dad a bricklayer? You know
Speaker 1: what you do? This is over over thirty lad me
Speaker 1: some bricks. I always say, I need to just hook
Speaker 1: up with a Scottish bricklayer. Is your dad's Scottish? No, see,
Speaker 1: I'm objectifying that you're going to scott on this summer, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my If anybody from Scalens listening to that you're
Speaker 1: a bricklayer, you just need to go to like brickless
Speaker 1: areas and just wait, don't show up. Yeah exactly. I've
Speaker 1: never seen brick being before. I've only seen it. You're
Speaker 1: gonna want to see its bricks getting laid. Oh yeah, bricks. Yes,
Speaker 1: my dad is a sports reporter and there's no less
Speaker 1: I mean, which Scotty is at the end, there's no
Speaker 1: last sexy profession in the entire world. Just all people
Speaker 1: who were like, well, it wasn't that good at sports.
Speaker 1: So now I wear hats and I sweat a lot
Speaker 1: that can who can't report the thing? Right, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: But I will see my dad one third place Local
Speaker 1: Emmy for his volleyball coverage in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: Is your dad really a sportscaster? Because he's a he's
Speaker 1: a print guy, but he has more followers in you.
Speaker 1: He has more followers on Twitter than me. It's really
Speaker 1: but I wish to god it was a joke. I
Speaker 1: had him for a little bit in early We got
Speaker 1: into like this really fun screaming match where I was
Speaker 1: like I did it and he was like, just you wait,
Speaker 1: and I did wait, and then he beat me again
Speaker 1: because he's got the Bruins exclusives and I don't have those.
Speaker 1: I should start getting them. If you're out there listening
Speaker 1: to this podcast, please follow Jamie on Twitter at Hamburger Phone.
Speaker 1: Please block my dad at loftis underscore Ledger. I did.
Speaker 1: I asked people to block my dad and a lot
Speaker 1: of people who were very supportive, and they blocked my
Speaker 1: dad's you know, I was like, suspend his account. He
Speaker 1: followed me and really see you now. He's like trying
Speaker 1: to appeal to people and be like, I'm gonna follow
Speaker 1: Jamie's friends and like, first of all, if they don't
Speaker 1: know what's up, that looks very weird on your end.
Speaker 1: Did he try to get your account suspended as well? No,
Speaker 1: he's very mature about it. But no, he'll post about
Speaker 1: it on Facebook sometimes and be like, whenever my daughter
Speaker 1: does this, dot dot dot, I get a lot of
Speaker 1: followers on Twitter. And then all his high school friends
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, Mike, I love Sully because that's why. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: having a dad named Mike is so is the greatest
Speaker 1: struggle of my life. My name really wait, why is
Speaker 1: this struggle for you? Well, because there are so many
Speaker 1: people out there named Mike, and sometimes you'll find yourself
Speaker 1: in and in in a in a romantic situation, perhaps
Speaker 1: with a mind, and then it's like, there's been mix
Speaker 1: in my life my dad's sales. I never had a problem.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. My name is Steve, which I think is
Speaker 1: already the least sexy name ever, but he's a bricklayer. Hey,
Speaker 1: can we talk about how the most interesting female character
Speaker 1: in this movie is the character that's in the Wolfman,
Speaker 1: which is being screened in like a movie theater as
Speaker 1: they're like chasing the dogs chasing. Yeah, it's towards the
Speaker 1: end they like are running through the town and like
Speaker 1: this picnic and stuff, and then they go into this
Speaker 1: movie theater and the dog like bursts through the projector screen.
Speaker 1: I looked it up there watching the Wolfman. From the
Speaker 1: female character from that, I think it's the most interesting
Speaker 1: character in the sand Loot. Is it possible the Beast
Speaker 1: as a girl. Well, I don't know, because we get
Speaker 1: some shots the dog and that dog has got very
Speaker 1: permanent bobby he's packing. But essentially I did have a
Speaker 1: female cat called the Dude, so you know it's named
Speaker 1: after the big Lebowski. Yeah, I got you, got you
Speaker 1: very I've seen that movie. Brag, good job, Jamie. That'd
Speaker 1: be a good movie for the test. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think it passes. If it does, it's by one of
Speaker 1: those like very like bar line interactions. We've had a
Speaker 1: few of those, but it's is unfortunate the sand Lot though,
Speaker 1: the sand Lotte, you know it, it fails the test
Speaker 1: for pretty pretty spectacular. I think even uh women maybe
Speaker 1: only get a combined like five minutes of screen time
Speaker 1: total because his mom is only and it's mostly his
Speaker 1: exposition mommy who comes in. I thought that it was
Speaker 1: weird that one of her first scene, I think, is
Speaker 1: just her bursting into the room, like why don't you
Speaker 1: have any friends? Like, like, I would be so terrified
Speaker 1: of my mom because I mean, she wasn't that aggressive,
Speaker 1: but she was just like do you friendshet do? And
Speaker 1: he was like, no, I'm still a negad And she
Speaker 1: was like, I want you to have a lot of friends,
Speaker 1: like it's important to have friends as like, jeez, she
Speaker 1: probably just wants him out of the house so that
Speaker 1: so she can do what. Also, the mom's anti engineering.
Speaker 1: He's just trying to work on his kinetics set engineering
Speaker 1: skills for the future. She's a woman against stem. She
Speaker 1: women against them. It's like, who side are you on?
Speaker 1: Let's do let's do the check the checklist of things
Speaker 1: we look for in every movie. I would argue, we've
Speaker 1: got some steampunk going. Okay, really okay, So like the
Speaker 1: erector set that well, no, they make they make some
Speaker 1: some little contraptions to get the ball, to get the
Speaker 1: Babe Ruth ball. So you know, I've expanded my uh
Speaker 1: my hatred of steampunk to anything involving gears and pulleys
Speaker 1: and any anybody like. You know, there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of steampull. I'll you know the Machine Works, which is
Speaker 1: they make it kind but I think they make it
Speaker 1: out of the erector set. Oh do they? Okay? I
Speaker 1: will say I made macaroni and cheese while I was
Speaker 1: watching this movie a this time, and so there are
Speaker 1: maybe two two to three minutes that I don't totally
Speaker 1: know what happens, and my roommate talked to me and
Speaker 1: I had to pause it. Oh yeah, oh I didn't
Speaker 1: have before, You've never spoken to Yeah, yeah, yeah, I paused.
Speaker 1: I would because I was in the kitchen. He caught
Speaker 1: me because he had he had taken he had just
Speaker 1: taken a shower, like because he had slops because I
Speaker 1: was trying to see, um, hey, does anyone have to
Speaker 1: hear like you do when you're playing baseball and you're
Speaker 1: rounding the bases? Good? Yes, that was what I was
Speaker 1: trying to back together. I was on a UM. So
Speaker 1: I've been on a few different softball teams in my life,
Speaker 1: not in high school or anything like that. UM, but
Speaker 1: I was on like the Boston comedy softball. Oh I
Speaker 1: was afraid of that. Yeah, I was not very good.
Speaker 1: I knew a bunch of female comics who are who
Speaker 1: were on that bossing softball league I was invited to,
Speaker 1: but I was like, I'm I'm kind of scared, so
Speaker 1: I guess I was. I was not helpful. But anyways,
Speaker 1: softball teams are cool. I like to I was gonna
Speaker 1: play softball and I was a kid and I was
Speaker 1: practicing with my dad and he hit me in the
Speaker 1: face with the ball. I just didn't want to play anymore.
Speaker 1: What that aim? Yeah? How bad? Was your dad a
Speaker 1: huge on accident? You know as an actor? Yeah? Really,
Speaker 1: my dad tripped me on purpose when I was little,
Speaker 1: because I know, And then I asked him about it
Speaker 1: about a year ago, and do you remember where you
Speaker 1: tripped me? Because I don't know. I had been complaining
Speaker 1: about a scab I had on my knee and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is so stupid. I hate that I have this gap.
Speaker 1: It's ugly. I wish I had fallen off my bike,
Speaker 1: and I guess I was being annoying and then he
Speaker 1: tripped me. And I don't think he thought I was
Speaker 1: going to fell fall but I did, and then this
Speaker 1: gab got bigger. Dad Yeah deserves to be blocked on
Speaker 1: Twitter for everyone block. He needs to make a movie
Speaker 1: called bad Dad. Am I right, guys, what about Daddy's Home?
Speaker 1: I was, what about bad Santa Bat Santa? Um? There?
Speaker 1: I had to write click bait today as I do, uh,
Speaker 1: so I can pay for things I and I wrote
Speaker 1: about the rock Vin Diesel feud uh And my favorite
Speaker 1: part of learning about it was that when Vin Diesel
Speaker 1: stormed off the set of the Fate of the Furious
Speaker 1: last summer, he said, Daddy's gone and then he laughed,
Speaker 1: and that's true, that happened. He said, well, allegedly he
Speaker 1: said Daddy's gone. And I was like, whoa. After eight movies,
Speaker 1: I guess that is allowed. You can just say daddy's gone.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's daddy on set. Maybe everybody's asking him to
Speaker 1: teach you to ride bikes and stuff like that. Like
Speaker 1: Vin's like kind of our daddy. It's like kind of
Speaker 1: the vibe he per checks, it makes us sandwiches and
Speaker 1: cuts the crust off. He's a good daddy. He's not
Speaker 1: like the movie you're going to write bad Daddy, Daddy
Speaker 1: d bad Daddy I can't wait for that billboard good.
Speaker 1: Does anyone have any final thoughts about the movie The
Speaker 1: sand Lot. I want a version of this movie that
Speaker 1: has a girl on the team. I think I would
Speaker 1: have really really loved that movie when younger. I agree,
Speaker 1: and I think so too. Even though I did love
Speaker 1: the movie when I was younger, I think a girl
Speaker 1: would make it better. Hey, my one, not two girls.
Speaker 1: I like when I was a kid and like playing
Speaker 1: sports and soccer, kickball or whatever. Like in my neighborhood
Speaker 1: it was mostly boys, but I was a girl and
Speaker 1: I was there. I was playing, and I was better
Speaker 1: than most of them. Also, I was on a soccer
Speaker 1: team where I was one of two girls and then
Speaker 1: everyone else was a boy. But like we were I
Speaker 1: don't know, like seven or something, and it was like
Speaker 1: a co ed team, and um, the girls were yes,
Speaker 1: under represented, but we were there. We were playing score
Speaker 1: a goal once. I would like to see more girls.
Speaker 1: But okay, I think maybe I'm just a bad person.
Speaker 1: But is there something to be said about Like there's
Speaker 1: like that dynamic of like the one girl like squeezes
Speaker 1: in and then teaches them all a lesson. That's the
Speaker 1: kind of thing it's like a trope. It's like the
Speaker 1: one strong female is like, fuck y'all, like girls rule.
Speaker 1: I wish that wasn't a trope, you know, but it's
Speaker 1: like there's something about I mean, that trope that would
Speaker 1: have worked well in the movie. That even extends to
Speaker 1: like I think we've talked about that with like superhero
Speaker 1: movies before, where there's like one female superhero and then
Speaker 1: she like kicks something and they're like, whoa, that's crazy, right,
Speaker 1: and then she like folds her arms and she's like,
Speaker 1: I know that's a yeah, I mean, that's Strong Girls,
Speaker 1: the Powerpuff Girls, three girls, three Strong Girls, you know,
Speaker 1: the kick but every episode passes afect test. Yeah, every
Speaker 1: episode past the effectual test exactly, and they kick. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But Kyle, that's a good point. Maybe if there was
Speaker 1: like a pair of sisters, um that yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and then you could avoid that trope pretty easily because
Speaker 1: even if there were two little girls on this team
Speaker 1: and one of them was great and one of them
Speaker 1: was really bad at baseball. Because I was a dent
Speaker 1: that kid who was like, we need one more person,
Speaker 1: you know, Jammy, can you just stand here? Yeah? Like
Speaker 1: and then like I was I was not a sporty child.
Speaker 1: But um, you know, maybe if there are two female characters,
Speaker 1: you could sort of dodge that trope too. Sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and also maybe if Wendy Peppercorn's girlfriend shows up when
Speaker 1: Squint's kisses her and it's like, hey, she's taken whoa
Speaker 1: you know? Yeah, and then she drowned Squints, And then
Speaker 1: I will say I would love someone to drown to
Speaker 1: impress me, but I would want it to end in
Speaker 1: them actually drowning. I just want to say real quick,
Speaker 1: like I can't something I know we talked about, like
Speaker 1: the kiss, like Squints, it's sexual assault, and I hate
Speaker 1: to excuse it this way, but there's an innocence that
Speaker 1: kids have where like he doesn't realize, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. That's the problem though, So that's the problem
Speaker 1: that it's he doesn't know. But it's like there's an
Speaker 1: innocence to like stealing a kiss from someone. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like kiss my cheek, you turn your head and
Speaker 1: like steal the kiss and it's like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: and this isn't you know, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And not to minimize any type of sexual assault, I
Speaker 1: don't want to do that, you know, being kissed is
Speaker 1: probably less traumatic and other horrible things that can happen
Speaker 1: to you. So I do, I mean, I I do
Speaker 1: get the innocence part of it, because it totally is
Speaker 1: like a you know, a kid thing, like you're just
Speaker 1: psyche that he like kissed a girl, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. They're not like right, yeah, it's you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it's like it's like kind of
Speaker 1: about perspective, but it's like not. But it's also not
Speaker 1: okay to like present that as an okay thing for kids.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like it starts somewhere. It's kind of
Speaker 1: the problem. But yeah, it's the way it sort of
Speaker 1: goes back to the lack of challenging anything, where if
Speaker 1: Dennis Leary was just like, hey, don't do that, you
Speaker 1: know that's or like at any point appeared to even
Speaker 1: vaguely like his wife and be like respect this one.
Speaker 1: We don't know what her name is, I don't know
Speaker 1: where her name is, but you know, she seems afraid
Speaker 1: of me. Well, I think in the voice over the
Speaker 1: older Scotty does after that happens with Wendy Peppercorn, he
Speaker 1: said something, yes, Squint's put the move on the lifeguard.
Speaker 1: There's definitely like the seeds of something and teaching little
Speaker 1: boys and that that's cool or something. Yeah, it's I mean,
Speaker 1: there's it's definitely a gray area where it's like we're
Speaker 1: not gonna take squints to court over this, but showing
Speaker 1: that and then leaving it relatively unaddressed and that smile
Speaker 1: and wave to him like she liked it or something right,
Speaker 1: right right, and then just leave hers being mad. You know,
Speaker 1: she's mad, like she's not going to come back and
Speaker 1: suddenly have a crush on him or something, and then
Speaker 1: doubled down and then yeah, and then be like she
Speaker 1: she loved it so much she couldn't get enough. She
Speaker 1: kept coming back from where she sucked him five billion times. Okay. Also,
Speaker 1: like in terms of thinking of like mischief and stuff,
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny to like trick someone into thinking
Speaker 1: they're giving you CPR and then you know, like smack
Speaker 1: him with a kiss, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: there's like the kind of it's like kind of like
Speaker 1: a like mischievous. It's like a hard I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a hard thing. I know, it's so hard, and like
Speaker 1: we're you know, we're pulling apart, but and I'm probably
Speaker 1: like approaching this too much like a s j W.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, yeah no, I just like to
Speaker 1: want to like talk about it because it's just like
Speaker 1: it is weird. Yeah, and and then like is this presented? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I said, like so lightly, you know, but then
Speaker 1: it's uh right, But then it's like that's that maybe
Speaker 1: the seeds of of like making a few seeing its okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like if you see stuff like that enough times where
Speaker 1: it's like again, the audience of this is like young Andy, exactly,
Speaker 1: it is true. So I don't know, it's tricky. It's tricky.
Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of and I guess that that's
Speaker 1: why internalized misogyny is is it's so hard to shake because,
Speaker 1: like you know, like in a lot of like like
Speaker 1: comedy of errors type things like forces and stuff, they
Speaker 1: have a you know, a guy dressed up as someone
Speaker 1: else and they kiss you know what I mean. There's
Speaker 1: like a like getting someone to kiss you under false pretense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's like kind of like that cliche kind of like
Speaker 1: trophy thing about like tricking someone into kissing you that
Speaker 1: I think it plays with Man, I would feel so
Speaker 1: much better about that if a we just let Wendy
Speaker 1: stay mad. Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly, and b if the
Speaker 1: voiceover after had been just a little bit like not
Speaker 1: even a little bit like more critical chance with her
Speaker 1: or whatever, or like right or like we learned later
Speaker 1: that that's not what you do and not like, man,
Speaker 1: that was kind of gross, but it was mostly dope.
Speaker 1: And now I was a forty year old sports reporter
Speaker 1: still think, like, fuck, that kid was so cool. That's weird, right,
Speaker 1: that's weird. Also, not to objectify old Scottie, but he
Speaker 1: looked like shit. Man, I was just such a little kid,
Speaker 1: so did old Benny. Why you mustache? Not? He could
Speaker 1: have been so much hotter. I don't love a mustache,
Speaker 1: but I thought he looks he was a man at
Speaker 1: the nineties. You know, nineties men had mustaches. I was
Speaker 1: so excited for him to grow up, to get his
Speaker 1: hot hunk. And then and then it was that he
Speaker 1: didn't like meet my expectations. But I don't think he
Speaker 1: has a hot child. He was, and I like a
Speaker 1: good mustache. Some some children I used to think we're hot.
Speaker 1: A list of two people who come to mind, Oh wait,
Speaker 1: no three, okay, Number one Peter Pan in the two
Speaker 1: thousand three live action Peter Pan. His name was Jeremy something,
Speaker 1: and he was very cute. Number two Liam Aiken in
Speaker 1: two thousand and four is a Series of Unfortunate Events.
Speaker 1: He played Klass little mop top adorable. Number three, and
Speaker 1: this was one that I remember. My mom told my
Speaker 1: cousins Jamie has a crush on Chris from a direct
Speaker 1: to video Casper movie called Casper Returns. And I had
Speaker 1: a huge crush on little Chris who had his all.
Speaker 1: His hair was like one huge cowlic he had a
Speaker 1: middle part, and I was just like, he's so cute,
Speaker 1: and I confided in my mom and then she fucking
Speaker 1: blew it. She told everyone and my cousins were like,
Speaker 1: you like Chris, He's all you know, he only has banks,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I like that. Anyways, three hot children.
Speaker 1: I don't remember even when I wasn't a kid, I
Speaker 1: don't remember being attracted to like other kids on screen.
Speaker 1: Like all my movie crushes were on adult men, which
Speaker 1: I don't know what that says about me. And I
Speaker 1: went to either my age or very old because then
Speaker 1: the incomes the Alfred Molina crush and that and that
Speaker 1: gets tricky. This Alfred Molina Dock like Spider Man. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's also he's in Frieda and he's Oh I love
Speaker 1: chack a lot plays the is the mayor. I want
Speaker 1: to say he's not the hot character in the movie,
Speaker 1: but I think he's the hot character in the movie.
Speaker 1: And the goalie from Mighty Ducks bad Boy and he's
Speaker 1: like they get him to be on the team because
Speaker 1: he's like so fast, I get blocking on the pucks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I never thought I didn't. I only saw the Mighty Ducks,
Speaker 1: I think once, but like, but it's cool, and there's like,
Speaker 1: Oh and another hot child, the kid from Ned's Declassified
Speaker 1: School Survival Guide. I thought Ned was so cute and
Speaker 1: then his his friend, who was a girl, was tall
Speaker 1: and I was like, it's me. I'm taller than all
Speaker 1: my you know, everyone so small and I'm so big.
Speaker 1: And they still had a crush on each other, and
Speaker 1: that I was inspired. I was like, wow, small men,
Speaker 1: you really can make it happen. Yeah. So that's four
Speaker 1: hot children. Oh and Natalie had one two so I
Speaker 1: can't think of any Maybe I was just a horny kid.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but kids are horny their parts and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't realize it, but yeah they are. I mean,
Speaker 1: and and every kid has a weird memory, like like,
Speaker 1: I remember Corey who lived in the trailer down the street,
Speaker 1: who I had such a huge crush at one time.
Speaker 1: He like, I mean again, he's like kind of cornered me.
Speaker 1: But I was like, oh Corey, you know, and he
Speaker 1: got me singing a song from Hercules in my backyard
Speaker 1: and then he kissed my forehead. Thank you, thank you
Speaker 1: on my forehead because he is a little bit taller
Speaker 1: than me. So well, I think it's time. I think
Speaker 1: it's time to rate the movie all horned up? Yep,
Speaker 1: does anyone want to go first week rate on a
Speaker 1: scale of zero to five nipples based on its portrayal
Speaker 1: of women? Oh my gosh, I'll go first base on
Speaker 1: his portrayal of women. It gets like a zero unfortunately.
Speaker 1: But I do love the movie still for nostalgia. But
Speaker 1: and you know, I think it's just got some classic moments.
Speaker 1: But yeah, zero on its portrayal of women. Unfortunately. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll give it a zero as well. I want, Okay,
Speaker 1: we gotta I think that this is more of a
Speaker 1: call to actually, we gotta do a sand Lot reboot.
Speaker 1: Replace the boy twins with girl twins were good to go, like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just give us, give us a new sand lot with
Speaker 1: with a girl, and then everything else can yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and give the mom a name. Yeah if if she
Speaker 1: and Dennis Leary can even still be the dad if
Speaker 1: he wants if he's not. He was a big hit
Speaker 1: with you, isn't he. I love Dennis. Yeah. Well, anyways,
Speaker 1: so I give it zero nipples. If I were to
Speaker 1: give it a nipple of any sort that I would
Speaker 1: like to specify, it would be James Earl Jones's blind nipples. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was. I was going to give it like a
Speaker 1: half nipple until he said, well, just because we don't
Speaker 1: even think we've ever given a movie zero nipples, especially
Speaker 1: because one should I give it a one? I mean, well, no,
Speaker 1: I don't think it deserves that much. Really, just it's
Speaker 1: just no female characters, and the ones that there are,
Speaker 1: you know, they're heavily objectified. They have very little screen time.
Speaker 1: His mom is. I mean, I guess I don't have
Speaker 1: any problems with her. I couldn't think of anything, but
Speaker 1: she's like she's just a little exposition machine. He's like
Speaker 1: all scared of the dad though. She Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: when you maybe have time, can you teach about pride?
Speaker 1: Like he's about to hit her or something. And then
Speaker 1: his dad. Oh god, any movie where like the dad
Speaker 1: is always in a different room. You're just like, God,
Speaker 1: what is he doing in that room? What is he
Speaker 1: doing in the room? Yeah? Yeah, so I guess you
Speaker 1: guys are saying that reboot I but not videobots, no,
Speaker 1: give us a wide release. Yeah, like, actually a good
Speaker 1: movie though, That's what I'm saying, like so many times,
Speaker 1: the reboot of movie it just sucks. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: give us another Mighty Ducks as well. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: meant or adults, but maybe I'll say they could just
Speaker 1: think of like a new thing. I love Amelia West
Speaker 1: of Us. Yeah, hey, I'm gonna give it zero nipples. Um.
Speaker 1: The women are just uh, you know, poor Wendy. I
Speaker 1: want to like, give her more lines, give her make
Speaker 1: her not okay with her being kissed against her will.
Speaker 1: Don't make her marriage. I don't make her marriage at
Speaker 1: least that I mean, come on, it was like at
Speaker 1: it in the titles, like it's a bit much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Sama is a good movie for nostalgia. It's a bad
Speaker 1: movie for for women in terms of the way the
Speaker 1: characters are just don't exist or are. You know. This
Speaker 1: is why we have the podcast because sometimes it's hard
Speaker 1: to be like, I love this movie, but God calls
Speaker 1: spade a spade. Sometimes I don't need it. I like.
Speaker 1: I like a lot of the like Little the Boy characters.
Speaker 1: They're fun. You know, it's a little boys movie for
Speaker 1: like little boys. Yeah they've got the chubby one. Yeah
Speaker 1: they've got they have of course. Yeah. I mean I
Speaker 1: guess because Hand became a wrestler, was like, that's pretty dope.
Speaker 1: Well not in real life, but in his epilog. I
Speaker 1: don't know if any of these kids act anymore. I
Speaker 1: think Ham does funny or die video or something good
Speaker 1: for him. Let's not good for him or good for him.
Speaker 1: Hey Natalie, where can people find you online? Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: find me at nat Dog cat Dog on Twitter Cat
Speaker 1: with a K and on Instagram at Natalie Palmidies. Also
Speaker 1: shout out to all those Scottish bricklayers out there had
Speaker 1: coming through and yeah they'll be like from Scotland, there's
Speaker 1: a brick there's been there working me up over here.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here. Yeah, thanks chanting
Speaker 1: about this movie with us. Yeah, it's been a ton
Speaker 1: of fun. Has now home run and what I don't know.
Speaker 1: I try to say something at the end of the
Speaker 1: episode that's like Okay, I think we're starting a new part.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, oh, we're finished. Just go out
Speaker 1: there and hit a home run with your life, everybody.
Speaker 1: If you reach for the stars, you might get there. Yeah.
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