Speaker 1: On thee Cast, the questions asked if movies have women
Speaker 1: and um are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
Speaker 1: or do they have individualism, the patriarchy and best start
Speaker 1: changing it with the Betel Cast. Hello, and welcome to
Speaker 1: the Bechtel Cast. Hi. I'm Caitlin Arante. I'm Jamie Loftus,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what Okay, Well, I've been starting
Speaker 1: it a couple of times now, but I always I
Speaker 1: forgot how to do it. I forgot. It's okay. I'm
Speaker 1: very distraught right now. This is the episode we've been
Speaker 1: waiting for. I know, I feel really I feel a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure. It's a Valentine's Day episode. Do you
Speaker 1: have Valentine? Maybe that's not not a good question. If
Speaker 1: I've plans, Yeah, oh absolutely not. I'm doing a show
Speaker 1: on Valentine's Day. Well that's fine. Yeah, it's our bar.
Speaker 1: I'm oh, I know, I know the one you're blam
Speaker 1: blam blam. Yeah cool. I'm watching The Jinks with my
Speaker 1: friend and then we're going to the Wedurst Case the
Speaker 1: next morning. Oh, that's right. So this is the Becktel Cast.
Speaker 1: We talked about uh women and their representation in movies.
Speaker 1: Usually it's bad. Sometimes it's not. Uh, today we did
Speaker 1: something we never did before. This is a special. We
Speaker 1: hung out offside we Yeah, we've never done that before.
Speaker 1: I actually do them. We we watched this movie together.
Speaker 1: This is the first time in Bectel cast history that
Speaker 1: we saw the movie together. Uh. The pizza only I
Speaker 1: ate the pizza. No one wanted the pizza. Pizza. We
Speaker 1: did drink a lot of white wine. We did, but
Speaker 1: there was a third person, our friend Courtney was there
Speaker 1: as well. She barely drank and absolutely did not eat
Speaker 1: any pizza. And I anyways, I for sure ate six
Speaker 1: pieces of pizzay, six pieces of chicken um, and a
Speaker 1: large amount of wine. Not that I was shaming you
Speaker 1: at all. I really admire that. I think we went
Speaker 1: pound for pound. Did we not wine? Yeah? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So that's fine. And the reason we watched this movie
Speaker 1: together is it's a movie that we both have seen, Jamie.
Speaker 1: It's a movie. It's a movie I watched alone a lot,
Speaker 1: but it's better not alone. Yeah, it's a movie we
Speaker 1: seen and love. It's Titanic. Titanic. We have a very
Speaker 1: special guest that we're going to introduce in a second.
Speaker 1: But we Uh, we watched the movie together, and we
Speaker 1: recorded different segments during the screening that we will insert
Speaker 1: into the episode, like maybe right now. For the first one,
Speaker 1: we did a pre movie one, so enjoy. Hey everyone,
Speaker 1: it's Caitlin and Jamie and we're in a different location
Speaker 1: than usual. We're in my house. Uh, we are about
Speaker 1: to watch Titanic together. And we just buried a body.
Speaker 1: We just buried a body. That's when we go offsite.
Speaker 1: Aristotle was supposed to come, but then he said no,
Speaker 1: and then we killed him. And that's whose body the body.
Speaker 1: So now that we're all caught up, we're about to
Speaker 1: watch Titanic. I haven't watched it and I think two years,
Speaker 1: which is unusual. I usually do plan a few There's
Speaker 1: a few movies I watched annually that are very long.
Speaker 1: It's Titanic and Gone with the Wind. I watched this
Speaker 1: movie two to three times a year, and I saw
Speaker 1: it pretty recently. How do you handle that? It's so like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot going on in my life and I have a
Speaker 1: lot of time what you mean, like emotionally, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: I have the time I rewatched season two of Grayce
Speaker 1: and Frankie today rewatched it. Wow, I've got the time.
Speaker 1: That's not the issue the emotional capacity. I think that
Speaker 1: I just operated at such a low level of emotional intelligence.
Speaker 1: I need movies like this to like to activate the
Speaker 1: emotion parts of my brain. You sound like a robot anyways,
Speaker 1: love Titanic. Yeah, well, I can't wait to watch this
Speaker 1: with you. We're going to check back in I think
Speaker 1: around the midpoint of the movie. Yeah, I know exactly.
Speaker 1: Were the VHS number one stop? Same, We'll check in there, great,
Speaker 1: all righty, and then uh we we stopped in the middle, which,
Speaker 1: for all you Titanic heads out there, is where the
Speaker 1: first VHS ends. Captain E. J. Smith turns basically to
Speaker 1: camera and says, I think you may get your headlines
Speaker 1: after all, mrsme. Then we talked there, and then uh
Speaker 1: one big long segment at the end. Yes, yes, so
Speaker 1: we will check in periodically and go to those segments.
Speaker 1: But for now, let's introduce our wonderful guests. Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: a very funny comedian and wonderful person a partner Nan Charla.
Speaker 1: Hello here, so you picked this movie, and you picked
Speaker 1: it because do you also like it? Do you love it.
Speaker 1: I have a confession. I didn't watch it recently, but
Speaker 1: I have watched it, I would say upwards of maybe
Speaker 1: four times in my life. Okay, I mean that's like
Speaker 1: I've seen it, but it's not that high. But but
Speaker 1: I do remember when it first came out, I was
Speaker 1: like obsessed with it for a while. Yeah, I felt
Speaker 1: like it swept the nation. It certainly did. The people
Speaker 1: were kind of divided, if I remember, because some people
Speaker 1: thought that, like the dialogue was really bad. I remember
Speaker 1: that was a complaint. It's pretty bad. There are some
Speaker 1: scenes where the dialogue is especially bad and the acting
Speaker 1: is especially does not crush it. And this she does
Speaker 1: not that bad of a job once the ship starts sinking,
Speaker 1: but up until then, she's pretty bad at acting, which
Speaker 1: I think. She openly admits her American accent is a
Speaker 1: little weird and like the I used to try when
Speaker 1: I was younger to imitate the way she would speak,
Speaker 1: because it was the We talked about this when we
Speaker 1: watched it, Like the cadence of it is so weird
Speaker 1: that it sounded very elegant and so yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I she's like poor little rich girl. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: like a weird Shakespearean quality to it. Yeah, I wonder
Speaker 1: if she was trying to go for like upper class Yeah,
Speaker 1: like almost like a Brands Atlantic. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: We don't even need to do a recap, I don't
Speaker 1: think honestly, I feel like we lose more and more
Speaker 1: structure each time. Yes, Oh, do you guys usually recap
Speaker 1: the movie? Because I do, and I always do a
Speaker 1: very bad job. And it takes about take a watch
Speaker 1: several hours. I was about the length of the movie itself.
Speaker 1: I was looking for speed versions of it on YouTube,
Speaker 1: and there's some really strange homages to the movie out there.
Speaker 1: There was like one that was it was like a
Speaker 1: condensed version the movie with just like weird close ups
Speaker 1: on the people's faces and then just like techno music.
Speaker 1: Oh so people are just like, I love this movie,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna and the like sometime. Yeah, well, like they
Speaker 1: summarized it but with technolo. Yeah, they just like took
Speaker 1: key moments and did it in chronological order and put
Speaker 1: it to techno. Yeah, we'll watch one of those to
Speaker 1: it in the description do it. When it came out,
Speaker 1: I saw it not to brag in a drive in
Speaker 1: movie theater. With my mom and sister. That's a great
Speaker 1: way to see this movie. I watched it at first
Speaker 1: in secret. I wasn't allowed to see it when it
Speaker 1: came out, so I think it was five when it
Speaker 1: came out. Uh. But I stole my mom's vhs uh
Speaker 1: copies of it at one point and brought it to
Speaker 1: my cousin's house, where we proceeded to watch it. Got
Speaker 1: busted watching the nude scene, of course, but then my aunt,
Speaker 1: she's a cool aunt, and she was like, keep watching kids. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then once my mom found out I had already
Speaker 1: seen it, she was just like, all right, you can.
Speaker 1: I guess they just keep watching it. Family members. You
Speaker 1: have a million cool careless you know. Was it scary
Speaker 1: five year old? Well, I didn't see it, And as
Speaker 1: I didn't see it to this, I think ten, And
Speaker 1: at that point it was just like hot cool thing,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, yeah, not that things are hot
Speaker 1: when you're ten, but maybe they are. I don't remember.
Speaker 1: But and then uh, in junior high, like I I
Speaker 1: loved this movie for so much for so long that
Speaker 1: in junior high to like retain my like punk rock credibility.
Speaker 1: In in junior high, I tried to switch gears and
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I don't love the movie. I love
Speaker 1: learning about details about shipwrecks, and so I have a
Speaker 1: ton of knowledge about shipwrecks. Because I was just like
Speaker 1: really nervous that people were gonna just think I loved Titanic,
Speaker 1: which is I did, Yeah, but I also know about
Speaker 1: a ton of military never happened. I was just like,
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk what people think about me.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna watch this movie every day for an
Speaker 1: entire summer, sometimes twice in a row. True story, I've
Speaker 1: probably seen this movie fifty times. Twice is the whole day?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's like six and a half hour. My
Speaker 1: sister and I would start it in the morning, watch
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I have to switch out the VHS
Speaker 1: tapes and then rewind and start from the beginning immediately after.
Speaker 1: It was like I was obsessed with this. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you've got a sister too, that's like I land
Speaker 1: a brother and he he was not as on board
Speaker 1: to watch it with me. That's the other thing about
Speaker 1: this movie is that I think I don't want to
Speaker 1: make any sweeping generalizations here, but I think most a
Speaker 1: lot of women have at least seen it, and many
Speaker 1: enjoy it more so than a lot of guys who
Speaker 1: have never seen it. Most men I've talked to I
Speaker 1: think they're like, yeah, I never saw that movie. I'm like,
Speaker 1: but it's so good. Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't care about it. The I liked this movie
Speaker 1: for the wrong reasons, which is that I think it
Speaker 1: has amazing practical effects and great action, so I the
Speaker 1: movie doesn't really kick it into gear for me until
Speaker 1: like Act two, which is or the end of act
Speaker 1: two or who knows. I mean, the inciting incident happens
Speaker 1: in this movie an hour and a half into it.
Speaker 1: How many how many college degrees you have? I have
Speaker 1: three now because I have two of mine and one
Speaker 1: of you. I took yours. That's fine. I don't need it.
Speaker 1: I like this movie for all the wrong reasons that
Speaker 1: I think everyone likes it for the romance. The romance
Speaker 1: freaking beautiful, I like. I mean, the more I see it,
Speaker 1: the more I appreciate the romance, especially on this reason. Rewatch,
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I gotta pay extra attention
Speaker 1: to Rose her female character. Let's then like, I was like,
Speaker 1: holy sh it. She's like, she's great, and we'll go
Speaker 1: and to more detail about that. Yeah, I was trying
Speaker 1: to think of all the female characters. I mean, she's
Speaker 1: obviously the main one that there's her mom, there's her mom,
Speaker 1: and there's Cathy Bates Molly Brown, but also pretty much
Speaker 1: I feel like Catthy Bates that part couldn't have been
Speaker 1: cast better. Like, yeah, she's great, she's great. I love
Speaker 1: the scene where she takes Leonardo DiCaprio and it's like,
Speaker 1: try all my son's clothes and he's like it fits perfect,
Speaker 1: like end of scene. Yeah, it's great. I know I
Speaker 1: wanted her. She like ends up being a mentor for Jack,
Speaker 1: but I wanted her to be a mentor for Rose
Speaker 1: more because she's like, I'm a strong woman. You're a
Speaker 1: strong woman. I'm a little older than you. Let me
Speaker 1: show you how to be a bad bitch, right, But
Speaker 1: she sort of teaches Jack and stuff to not be pore.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah she can. Yeah, it's a little more. Well,
Speaker 1: that's an interesting thought that said Jack and Rose are
Speaker 1: both fictional. All Brown is real. I guess we'll just
Speaker 1: dive right in. I really like Rose now, like I
Speaker 1: was like, she just she just yells out Jack a
Speaker 1: lot towards the end. And that's my impression of her
Speaker 1: first name assaulted in this movie. Uh yeah, yeah, she's great,
Speaker 1: she's great. Yeah, it's great. A little hasty to want
Speaker 1: to kill herself. It seems abrupt. I wonder if that's
Speaker 1: the and that that comes really early though, doesn't it? Really? Wait,
Speaker 1: I should have made a pun when I was like,
Speaker 1: let's just jump in it should have been really it
Speaker 1: should have been a better pun about jumping into the
Speaker 1: water something. I thought you were making a pun when
Speaker 1: you said that. Guys not not on board with it?
Speaker 1: WHOA so many nautical references? Yeah, let's see how many
Speaker 1: we can do. I used to make My high school
Speaker 1: boyfriend watched this movie with me all the time, and
Speaker 1: he was like training to be a naval syer and
Speaker 1: it would would just be three hours of like that's
Speaker 1: not how bull works. And I was like it was
Speaker 1: so nice, But oh yeah, you said that she's a
Speaker 1: she's a bit quick to just throw herself off the
Speaker 1: back of a boat, which either she's got some mental
Speaker 1: health issues that she's not addressing or like, again, no
Speaker 1: one knew who Freud was even back then, because Mrs
Speaker 1: May is like, who's Freud a passenger? Um, So you know,
Speaker 1: psychology didn't really exist that much back then, so maybe
Speaker 1: she was morbidly depressed. It we don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of context with she just I think the way it's
Speaker 1: introduced is weirder because like the narration, uh just says
Speaker 1: like inside I was screaming, and then cut she's about
Speaker 1: to kill her running, So it's like, well, this could
Speaker 1: have been a huge lead that we just don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: either way, what happens next is a trope that happens
Speaker 1: in a lot of movies where a guy has to
Speaker 1: save a woman, which like normally would annoy me, but
Speaker 1: then I got to thinking about it, I guess I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I guess it's a guy saving a girl.
Speaker 1: But then I was thinking about her situation, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I get I don't know, I could understand
Speaker 1: in her position and class, she wouldn't maybe have that
Speaker 1: many options right right, Like there wasn't because and then
Speaker 1: you find out later like she it's basically an arranged
Speaker 1: marriage and she has to do it so that her
Speaker 1: and her mom can continue to like maintain their lifestyle,
Speaker 1: and it seems like she's kind of been sold off
Speaker 1: to Billy Zane, Blee Zane, Billy Zane. We'll get to
Speaker 1: Billy Zane because I don't know. I have a whole
Speaker 1: new perspective on Billy Zane now, which is that I
Speaker 1: could fix him. Wow, fix him? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think he's too far beyond help. He's a he's a
Speaker 1: he's a sociopath. No way, baby, I can fix I mean,
Speaker 1: I I am confident in you and in your abilities, Jamie.
Speaker 1: But I said I could fix the Gaston, and I
Speaker 1: think that that's true. I also think I can fix
Speaker 1: um my love. I can't make any sense of my notes.
Speaker 1: I think what I was trying to say is that like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he has to. He saves her, but it sort of
Speaker 1: is the catalyst for her character arc. Oh there's a
Speaker 1: scene where she's like, it's not up to you to
Speaker 1: save me, Jack. This is later on in the story,
Speaker 1: and he's like, you're right, only you can do that,
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I like that he acknowledges
Speaker 1: her autonomy and stuff like that. Um, And there's a
Speaker 1: great speech he gives to her and that weird Jim,
Speaker 1: that's the scene. Maybe it's the gym equipment. There's like
Speaker 1: a scene where she like blows him off and then
Speaker 1: he's like, don't go. You know you're the best. And
Speaker 1: they're in this insane in looking Jim with all these
Speaker 1: like nine early oh steampunk reference of the episode. It
Speaker 1: looks like a steampunk jymnasy. Yeah, ye, confusing contraptions. We
Speaker 1: can't go an episode without mentioning something about steam punk.
Speaker 1: So far, so far, got to keep the street going, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: He does give us like he's like, you're the most
Speaker 1: amazingly incredible, brave girl woman I've ever known. And he's like,
Speaker 1: he doesn't say anything about her looks, he's just like
Speaker 1: commenting entirely on her like strength of character, and then
Speaker 1: he like excellent, calls her a girl. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: you're even though you're seventeen, you're a woman. And I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, good, good job. Got she's supposed to
Speaker 1: be seventeen, I think not yet, oh seventeen. So there's
Speaker 1: that like kind of empowering moment. There's the one where, oh,
Speaker 1: early on in the movie, there's a scene were they're
Speaker 1: at dinner and Rose like blows smoke in her mom's face.
Speaker 1: She's like I don't care that you don't like me smoking,
Speaker 1: and then Billy's interested and yeah, and then um Molly's like,
Speaker 1: are you gonna cut her meat for her too? So
Speaker 1: you have these like a few moments early on where
Speaker 1: you like see women being like pretty badass, and and
Speaker 1: then there's this scene where she's like trying to commit
Speaker 1: suicide and Jack's like, oh, you know ice fishing. He's
Speaker 1: like just trying to man splain ice fishing to her,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I know what ice fishing is. And
Speaker 1: I loved that. I just love I'm just gonna do
Speaker 1: that anytime someone man splaining something to me, even if
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know what ice fishing is. Okay,
Speaker 1: I've never been ice fishing. I have no idea how
Speaker 1: it works. That's when you poke a hole in ice
Speaker 1: and then you put your line. Yeah, I know what
Speaker 1: ice fishing is. It was in an episode of Fraser once.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Shortly after that, there's a line where that
Speaker 1: I don't even know who this character is, but he's
Speaker 1: like it's like I always say, women in machinery do
Speaker 1: not mix. Wait when was that, Oh, I think it's
Speaker 1: whenever she rose as a very good Caitlin impression because
Speaker 1: she's like, I was leaning far over to see the uh,
Speaker 1: the the the rudders. That's me talking because I can't
Speaker 1: say a single sentence without filling it with like ten
Speaker 1: vocal fillers. Um so, but yeah, and then she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're like, oh women in machinery, she wanted to see
Speaker 1: the rudders. That's dumb. Yeah, so I guess the men.
Speaker 1: A lot of the men are in in gender normative
Speaker 1: roles except for Jack. Yeah, I'd say so, because Jack
Speaker 1: just spends most of the movie like trying to empower Rose. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and then there's also kind of just like
Speaker 1: a lot of men just doing jobs, like most of
Speaker 1: the ship crew. They don't cause conflict other than not
Speaker 1: preventing the ship from right. But there's a lot of
Speaker 1: I mean, like Cal for sure is terrible Cal Cal
Speaker 1: or Billy's ans weird. Butler, Yeah, he's a valid valet.
Speaker 1: He's around, he wants to help, presumably for money, we
Speaker 1: don't know, but he falls, you know, he's he's not
Speaker 1: a good guy. Mr Lovejoy, Mr. It's a great name.
Speaker 1: Threw name, um Yeah, because he follows Jack and Rose
Speaker 1: around quite a bit. And then Mr is may like
Speaker 1: the owner of the White Star line. He's not a
Speaker 1: great guy either. No, he just wants fast. He just
Speaker 1: wants to make the headlines and monetize. We must make
Speaker 1: headlines now, I went to marvel her speed. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: he's a piece of ship. Mr Andrews though, to Carber,
Speaker 1: so handsome in this movie. I mean, I can't necessarily
Speaker 1: agree with you, but you're like, you have this one.
Speaker 1: You're crazy. He's the most handsome man in the whole movie.
Speaker 1: You know what. Billy Zane is totally my type. I
Speaker 1: just love a guy with sicker eyelashes than I have.
Speaker 1: That's what is wearing a crazy amount of makeup in
Speaker 1: the He's wearing so much eyeliner. Yeah, And it was like,
Speaker 1: is that is that something people did or is that
Speaker 1: just something Billy Zane does because no one else in
Speaker 1: the movie does it exactly for him and uh and
Speaker 1: all the female characters at Mac a lot of like
Speaker 1: almost cat eyes. He looks great. I know I want
Speaker 1: to do I want to I want someone to do
Speaker 1: a makeup tutorial on YouTube, but like to replicate Billy Zane.
Speaker 1: Billy's ane nice. And oh I also like there's a
Speaker 1: part where she like does all the math in her
Speaker 1: head and figures out that there aren't enough lifeboats. She's like,
Speaker 1: I was doing the sum in my head, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you cool girl, you do that math. One of my
Speaker 1: favorite lines is after Jackets invited to dinner and they're
Speaker 1: all sitting at dinner and it's like winding down Roses
Speaker 1: Like now they go retreat into a cloud of smoke
Speaker 1: and congratulate each other on being masters of the universe.
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, we can still do that.
Speaker 1: This is the thing that men do, namely our current
Speaker 1: presidential administration. Whoa. And then I feel like I'm talking
Speaker 1: a lot. I'm talking. I'm just I feel bad because
Speaker 1: I didn't watch it recently, so I don't remember that
Speaker 1: on that level in detail. I know, we're like really
Speaker 1: getting into the nitty gritty of this movie. It's fresh
Speaker 1: and we've both seen it so many times. Mean, did
Speaker 1: you ever see Ghosts of the Abyss? No? Oh, I
Speaker 1: think that's what it's called. It's like a two thousand
Speaker 1: two documentary that James Cameron made where he went back
Speaker 1: to the titan because he just loves going to the Titanic.
Speaker 1: I think I remember that coming out. I didn't see
Speaker 1: it though, but yeah, I think he's spent so much
Speaker 1: time re searching it before he even did the movie.
Speaker 1: It was so expensive, like it was crazy expensive, and
Speaker 1: I feel like he maybe only made the movie so
Speaker 1: you have an excuse to go down. But like, what
Speaker 1: what a gift to the world? Was good? Did you
Speaker 1: you saw that? It was good? I mean it was.
Speaker 1: It was just like a lot of technical like they
Speaker 1: were basically trying to figure out like can we raise
Speaker 1: it and can it be preserved? And the answer is no,
Speaker 1: it just fall apart, So you just got to leave
Speaker 1: it there and it's sort of a slowly decomposing What
Speaker 1: about the submarine guys? Oh yeah, oh Bill Paxton, Bill
Speaker 1: Bill packed. I don't know how I feel about that,
Speaker 1: like book ending the movie, because we don't even we
Speaker 1: don't even arrive in this in the narrative in nineteen
Speaker 1: twelve until twenty minutes into the movie. Yeah, I clocked
Speaker 1: it and maybe does Yeah, like it goes a little
Speaker 1: I feel like that happens because James Cameron wants to
Speaker 1: show everyone all his cool footage from Titanic, Like think
Speaker 1: the only reason that why that exists. I don't know,
Speaker 1: like how much of a punch does it peg that
Speaker 1: there isn't like well it makes it. It's it seems
Speaker 1: like it's setting it up to be this huge important
Speaker 1: component of this story later because they're searching for the diamond,
Speaker 1: but the diamond like it just doesn't really it doesn't
Speaker 1: have much to do with the rest of the story.
Speaker 1: So that's really the only thing it ends up being. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: It ends up being like a bit of a plot
Speaker 1: device whenever love Joy frames Jack for stealing it and
Speaker 1: then they lock them up, and then it creates like
Speaker 1: this extra sequence of tension whenever Jack or roses like,
Speaker 1: I don't know he was my boyfriend, but then he
Speaker 1: stole that necklace, so oh man, and then Jack and
Speaker 1: then that's horship, don't you believe them? You know? I
Speaker 1: didn't you know. I mean, it's like she met you
Speaker 1: two days ago, so she doesn't really know you. Then
Speaker 1: comes one of the worst lines of dialogue and the
Speaker 1: higher movie, which is one he's like, how do you
Speaker 1: find out I didn't do it? And she's like, I
Speaker 1: didn't I just realized I already knew, but she said,
Speaker 1: like new and it's that ends up being like, I
Speaker 1: guess a part of the story. But then what drives
Speaker 1: me crazy is the end when she throws it overboard.
Speaker 1: People got so upset about that. I got upset mostly
Speaker 1: because she could have taken that piece of jewelry and
Speaker 1: sold it to whoever wanted to buy it, and then
Speaker 1: she could have founded Planned Parenthood or donate to it
Speaker 1: or like just use those millions and millions of dollars.
Speaker 1: It doesn't to put some women through college or something,
Speaker 1: but I don't think it would have. I feel like
Speaker 1: they would have like put it in a museum or something.
Speaker 1: I don't think it would have been sold or anything.
Speaker 1: It didn't. I don't know. That didn't bother me too
Speaker 1: much because it's like the last thing she before she dies,
Speaker 1: I think, and like no one's ever going to know,
Speaker 1: and it was hers. I just that's the other thing.
Speaker 1: So she dies like she's like she would seem to be.
Speaker 1: She regaled this whole story. She seemed fine, and then
Speaker 1: what she just dies all of a sudden because it
Speaker 1: was the because it was the last thing she had
Speaker 1: to do. Maybe Iver told the story before. Maybe this
Speaker 1: is the part where we should check in the last part,
Speaker 1: and I'll fired up. Yeah, so hey, let's check in.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do this out of order, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: the last part because this is when I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't like that. She dies and you're like so much.
Speaker 1: Hey listen now, I'm sorry that's laughing and that's oh
Speaker 1: god each other and then and everyone's there. Is that
Speaker 1: supposed to be like a dreamer? Is it supposed to
Speaker 1: be heaven? I was always like, oh, she just falls
Speaker 1: asleep and it's a dream heaven. She dies and then
Speaker 1: she goes to heaven where everyone's waiting for her to
Speaker 1: kiss someone. That's what it's like for her. Everyone's just
Speaker 1: hanging out. Jack is in his like poor people clothes
Speaker 1: and he's looking at the clock. It's so sad, but
Speaker 1: it's so happy. It's okay. Um, I wish I wasn't
Speaker 1: such a weird robot that I was more. No, I'm
Speaker 1: overdoing it. We've also had probably five glasses of wine each.
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. It's nevertheless said, oh I think back, Sorr.
Speaker 1: I think I just stopped for like ten minutes. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry that. I was like, oh, we should record this
Speaker 1: now we're still crying. So the movie has ended. Yes,
Speaker 1: there's justinished we've been through a journey together, exhaustive. I
Speaker 1: love that movie so much. We were quoting every line
Speaker 1: of dialogue. We knew every line in the movie. It
Speaker 1: wasn't even a bit. It was just and our friend Courtney,
Speaker 1: who was probably very annoyed with us because she was like, guys,
Speaker 1: can you stop, I'm trying to pay attach into that movie?
Speaker 1: And we're just like, that's gonna be want that's on this.
Speaker 1: If you don't shut that hold on, you'll face r
Speaker 1: I P. Officer Murdoch. Honestly, yeah, that be harder than
Speaker 1: it ever has. My crush for him apparently has grown
Speaker 1: more intense over time. My crush is still on Captain Fantastic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've got to talk about that, the hot guy at
Speaker 1: the end who's like, is there anyone out there? Can
Speaker 1: anyone anyway? I looked him up and I was like,
Speaker 1: who's this very attractive man in this movie at all?
Speaker 1: He did well? And then I was like, holy sh it,
Speaker 1: it's Captain Fantastic from the Fantastic Four? Is that like
Speaker 1: the idea? That's who was Jessica elbow one O the
Speaker 1: first Yeah? Yeah, okay, well that's better. Oh I thought
Speaker 1: none of them were good. I didn't see any of them.
Speaker 1: But what do you haven't seen a movie? That movie
Speaker 1: was so sad, Yes, Courtney, I did enjoy watching it
Speaker 1: with you guys cast as all the characters. We did
Speaker 1: good though, a pretty good job. We got all the
Speaker 1: ex ends and all the cadence. Yeah. I bought my
Speaker 1: whole punch and I didn't even use it. Oh wait,
Speaker 1: what were we going to use it for? I was
Speaker 1: gonna craft I have all the time like this. I
Speaker 1: wanted to believe the best in myself. I didn't do it.
Speaker 1: We'll never let go, Jamie. You're gonna live. You're gonna
Speaker 1: make lots of babies and watch him grow and then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna die. That part and all lady, I resent
Speaker 1: that part because he's basically saying that, like, the only
Speaker 1: worth you have is a woman is to be a mother. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he still couldn't been a little bit more femininely,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go get a STEM degree and you're gonna
Speaker 1: manage a company, and you're gonna be valued by everyone
Speaker 1: around you, and then you're gonna die. I wish he
Speaker 1: would have said that, Yes he was died. I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm inadequate emotionally because I don't know how to
Speaker 1: compute or express or press that's emotion for power, I'm
Speaker 1: like sweating through my clothes. Well, I also it comes
Speaker 1: at a price, which is that I don't know how
Speaker 1: to be in relationship. I think between the two of
Speaker 1: us we feel enough for two people. Though it's just like,
Speaker 1: it's just like, how between the two of us we
Speaker 1: have three degrees. Between the two of us, we have
Speaker 1: the emotions of two people, the emotions of two people,
Speaker 1: and the emotions of zero people. I saw. I would
Speaker 1: like to dedicate this episode to all the victims of
Speaker 1: the Titanic, all fifteen hundred of them, particularly those in
Speaker 1: the lower classes. And hey to the women, women and
Speaker 1: children and children who didn't make it. We're like sucking
Speaker 1: your allies, and we're not sucking in a march star.
Speaker 1: We're marching march on the White House and be like,
Speaker 1: what about Titanic? All right, Hey, everyone, thanks for listening.
Speaker 1: He's out. My heart will go on. Oh that's true,
Speaker 1: it will, it will. Oh. It was about to sing it,
Speaker 1: and then I didn't remember, and I can't sing. Okay, bye,
Speaker 1: and we're back. I'm not looking for it to listening
Speaker 1: to that, I don't think I will. Uh No, you
Speaker 1: were great. I was really mean. I was like kind
Speaker 1: of making fun of you for crying, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm over here laughing and Jamie's crying. I didn't like
Speaker 1: the ending. That is such a beautiful part of the
Speaker 1: because you go back at the end and you're like,
Speaker 1: there was like, well, these b characters and they're all
Speaker 1: there and they're so happy, and Jack is just staring
Speaker 1: at a clock. Who knows how long he's been there,
Speaker 1: and then he turned around and then they pan up
Speaker 1: and the captain's there. It's so nice. It's so nice.
Speaker 1: I always feel bad when a character in a movie
Speaker 1: has like the love of their life and then they
Speaker 1: die and then someone else comes along and it's like,
Speaker 1: I guess that person doesn't matter that much. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like because I think in the story she was
Speaker 1: married to the same guys and they have all these
Speaker 1: kids and grandkids, and then it's like, what about that
Speaker 1: guy's story? But yeah, that's not the last thing she
Speaker 1: wanted to think about. My granddaughter who's right here with me, well,
Speaker 1: her grand her granddaughter also has a thing for Bill Paxton.
Speaker 1: All right, they do sort of shoehorn that little well,
Speaker 1: and in the alterna and the alternate ending they might kiss.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh, it's so bad. It's on YouTube,
Speaker 1: like she's about to throw the diamond overboard and they'll
Speaker 1: Paxton runs up. She's like no, He's like, no, don't
Speaker 1: do it, and then she like does this whole speech.
Speaker 1: I don't remember. It's just horrendous. It's not good, But
Speaker 1: I mean sure, I guess the reason that like she
Speaker 1: was so affected but or like that she's going to
Speaker 1: reunite with him in heaven or whatever, is that he
Speaker 1: allowed her to escape this trapped life that she was in,
Speaker 1: and he was like the catalyst that got her to
Speaker 1: become this new woman, it's new independent woman. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: he played a very significant role in her life. Each
Speaker 1: other romance, Happy Valentine's Day, everyone, Love is Dead. Here's
Speaker 1: something that bought that I hadn't really thought about the
Speaker 1: first forty times I watched the movie because I was
Speaker 1: moodier and probably liked my mom less than I do
Speaker 1: now last time I saw it. I don't know how
Speaker 1: well it sits with me. The Rose presumably never talks
Speaker 1: to her mom, who survives ever again, like she I
Speaker 1: presumably allows her mom to believe that she has died.
Speaker 1: Her mom is not great, and her mom was sort of,
Speaker 1: you know, selling her off to the highest bidder. But
Speaker 1: you know, you can argue it was for survival purpose.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just it's weird to me that
Speaker 1: I mean, and she changes her last name, but I
Speaker 1: feel like where it's pure speculation that never that's true.
Speaker 1: I hope they saw each other. I think there should
Speaker 1: be a sequel like Rose and Ruth. Yeah, like they
Speaker 1: share an apartment that netflix during World War Two. That
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, at that point, is just mom's kind
Speaker 1: of old. But yeah, I had never that had never
Speaker 1: occurred to me before. We're obviously you know at the end,
Speaker 1: you see Billy Zane looking around island and then she
Speaker 1: hides from him, and I was like, okay, well I
Speaker 1: get that you don't want to see him again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she definitely ghosted on him. Yeah, I hope she saw
Speaker 1: her mom again. Yeah she's not real her mom. Yeah,
Speaker 1: her mom was had some problems. But there's a great
Speaker 1: scene let's talk about that where I'm jumping ahead a
Speaker 1: little bit, but because guess what the movie does pass
Speaker 1: the Bechdel test. It does because there's there's a it
Speaker 1: happens on a few instances, but there's a scene pretty
Speaker 1: early too. I think the first time it passes, if
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, is when old Rose is talking to
Speaker 1: her granddaughter and yeah, because they're talking about the Titanic
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah. A little later on, there's the scene
Speaker 1: where Rose's mom is talking to her like lame rich
Speaker 1: friends and they're having tea, and she like, well, the
Speaker 1: purpose of university is to find a suitable husband. Rose
Speaker 1: has already done that. It's like, oh God, don't they
Speaker 1: discuss the color lavender in that scene? For some reason,
Speaker 1: I think they're talking about Oh. I think that's a
Speaker 1: different scene. But it is with those horrible rich ladies.
Speaker 1: I've never seen The Godfather, but I've seen this movie.
Speaker 1: It's times I've never seen Forrest Gump. I could have
Speaker 1: done so much with all that time. You've got all
Speaker 1: the time in the world to watch a bunch of movies,
Speaker 1: thank you. Anyway, there's a scene where Ruth is talking
Speaker 1: to Rose and she's like doing up her girdle or
Speaker 1: her petty course of course it. Yeah, I couldn't. I
Speaker 1: think that's the sexiest way to describe that garment. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I forget what a girdle is, but I think it
Speaker 1: is it the same thing and the steam punk thing.
Speaker 1: They're like roses like, oh, you like put this burden
Speaker 1: on me of having to marry cal because all of
Speaker 1: our money is gone, and and she's like it's not fair,
Speaker 1: and Ruth is like, of course it's not fair where
Speaker 1: women and I was like, it's not fair. Why do
Speaker 1: we all have to marry Billy sane? You know, we're
Speaker 1: just young girls. I want to talk about the nude scene.
Speaker 1: In the sex scene pretty close together. They were pretty
Speaker 1: much one right after well because it's like the nude
Speaker 1: scene and then they get chased around Butler go and
Speaker 1: then they had sex because they are Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's interesting and like, this is something I cannot imagine
Speaker 1: me or most people I have ever met doing. But
Speaker 1: going from they like have their first kiss and then
Speaker 1: like the next step is like and now you're going
Speaker 1: to draw me nude? Like that was the next thing
Speaker 1: that they do. That was second base. That is pretty
Speaker 1: four especially for that time, I'm guessing, especially considering she's
Speaker 1: like she was a very upper crust and she knew
Speaker 1: she knew he drew nudes. I guess right, that's why
Speaker 1: it had to be nude, because things that it didn't Oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't. It was weird that she jumped to nude.
Speaker 1: I like it. Oh, I love that part because it's
Speaker 1: like drew non nudes. He showed her a lot of
Speaker 1: type of stuff. I think she was just like trying
Speaker 1: to get things go, like they'd hung out a little bit,
Speaker 1: but they hadn't. Like she was just trying to make
Speaker 1: the first move. And you're capable of being casual with people.
Speaker 1: This is who ever met me. No. No, but you
Speaker 1: can like do it. I mean, I've initiated every time
Speaker 1: I've had sex. I was like, you have to draw.
Speaker 1: That's great, that's yeah. It was just like, first, I'm
Speaker 1: going to wear this kimono. I want you to draw
Speaker 1: me wearing this, and it's a be necklace I bought
Speaker 1: from Claire's in two thousands one. And then he draws
Speaker 1: me and when I have in the backseat of a car. No.
Speaker 1: The reason I like it so much is that, like
Speaker 1: everything is on her terms. She's like, I was this stuffy,
Speaker 1: little pressy girl. I don't want to be drawn like
Speaker 1: a porcelain doll. Anymore. Here's some money, I expect what
Speaker 1: I want, Draw me naked, and it's just like she's
Speaker 1: coming into her own you know. She's she knows what
Speaker 1: she wants and she's not afraid to go out and
Speaker 1: get it. And she I'm sure was sexually repressed up
Speaker 1: until then, because there's a few conversations earlier in the
Speaker 1: movie where Cal is like, I thought you would come
Speaker 1: to me last night, and she's like, I was tired.
Speaker 1: And then there's another part where he's like, you're my wife.
Speaker 1: You should honor me the way a wife is required
Speaker 1: to honor. Cal's very horny. She will not put out,
Speaker 1: and so I love that. And she's like, yeah, Cal,
Speaker 1: you're not going to get into this bomb pussy. But Jack,
Speaker 1: go over here, this homeless man who I met two
Speaker 1: days ago, I will fuck you all night long. I okay.
Speaker 1: Obviously Cal not a great guy. I do think that
Speaker 1: maybe if they spent some more time together, they would
Speaker 1: become like normal parents that sort of hate each other.
Speaker 1: But it's like, well they got some sort of fun going.
Speaker 1: That may be true if he wasn't a complete narcissist
Speaker 1: and sociopath like that No, it's but uh the scene
Speaker 1: where he gives her the necklace and basically it's like
Speaker 1: he's has sex with me. It's so funny. He's very
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's just like using for it, like
Speaker 1: open your heart. He's like cross, but he's trying so hard.
Speaker 1: Well that's I love that that he's like totally being
Speaker 1: cuck holded by Yeah, I can bring you can bring
Speaker 1: in that, or I was using cuckolded long before the
Speaker 1: fucking all those conservatives commandeered that term, and I didn't
Speaker 1: watch a documentary about birds where I learned all about
Speaker 1: well done, well done. The point that I'm trying to
Speaker 1: arrive at is that every like sexual experience that Rose
Speaker 1: has is like just very much on her terms. She
Speaker 1: initiates everything. She's just like she's feeling very sexually empowered,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I'm going to go for it, and
Speaker 1: Jack is like sure, and she's like put your hands
Speaker 1: on me, Jack, and he's like okay, and then they're
Speaker 1: like mid coitus and he's like sweating and trembling and
Speaker 1: he's just like I can't handle this. Bom pussy. I
Speaker 1: think you're really like writing fan fiction. We don't see them.
Speaker 1: Have we see them initiative and no, well there's a
Speaker 1: scene where like there it might be like post coitas.
Speaker 1: You never see him like thrusting into her. But hey, mom,
Speaker 1: you see wait, I have I have the scene pulled
Speaker 1: up from the James Cameron script here. Oh yes, please
Speaker 1: read so. And I don't know where this fits into
Speaker 1: uh you know this is this is I think we
Speaker 1: could argue a woman's movie. The woman is the driving
Speaker 1: force in the movie. It is written by James Cameron,
Speaker 1: who is sort of notoriously overly perverted in the way
Speaker 1: that he writes. Uh. And I remember reading this when
Speaker 1: I was like a teenager. I was like, I want
Speaker 1: to read the script. I really, I want to know
Speaker 1: everything about this dope movie. Uh. And the way he
Speaker 1: writes a sex scene is very long and very gross.
Speaker 1: Jack jumps into the driver's seat, enjoying the feel of
Speaker 1: the leather and wood. Jack says, where to miss Rose
Speaker 1: to the stars on on Jack as her hands come
Speaker 1: out of the shadows and pull him over the seat
Speaker 1: into the back. He lands next to her, and his
Speaker 1: breath scenes loud and the quiet darkness. He looks at
Speaker 1: her and she is smiling. It is the moment of truth, Jack,
Speaker 1: are you nervous? Rose? Oh, contrere mon cher. He strokes
Speaker 1: her face, cherishing her. Uh. She kisses his artist's fingers. Still, Rose,
Speaker 1: put your hands on me, Jack. He kisses her and
Speaker 1: she slides down in the seat under his Welcome Weight
Speaker 1: cut to the hit an Iceberg. But the way you
Speaker 1: sex it's it's nasty. The way that, well, any screener
Speaker 1: writing class will tell you that you don't need all
Speaker 1: of that discretion. First, it's so long, it's paragraphs of
Speaker 1: just weird adjectives. Welcome weight is really the phrase that's
Speaker 1: stuck with sounds like fan fiction. It does, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: sounds like an e book. The way he wrote it,
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of gross. And then going off of that,
Speaker 1: I've I've read more than one James Cameron scripture. And
Speaker 1: then he wrote a treatment of Spider Man, the Toby
Speaker 1: McGuire one that's just as gross, like just as pervy,
Speaker 1: where there's like scenes in it where he's like a
Speaker 1: peeping tom, like looking at Mary Jane. Uh. There's a
Speaker 1: scene where he, you know, it's like oh this the
Speaker 1: webs are come and it's his sexual awakening and the
Speaker 1: come makes him more powerful, and it's just he's God,
Speaker 1: he's a sick freak, he's mass. I don't think it
Speaker 1: translates that much onto the screen, though, because it really doesn't.
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's someone behind the scenes who's just like,
Speaker 1: don't do that. Try not to think about those words
Speaker 1: when you do that. Well. I was thinking also about
Speaker 1: like the Nude Team, where she like takes off for
Speaker 1: robe when we see her like naked breasts, Like you
Speaker 1: always have to question if there's a nudity a woman
Speaker 1: nude in a movie, is it to satisfy the male
Speaker 1: gaze or is it something else that's actually important for
Speaker 1: the story. And I think in this case, like for reals,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's an act of defiance. She's like
Speaker 1: it's been all stuffed up in these corsets and like
Speaker 1: I been all prim and proper my whole life and
Speaker 1: not anymore. So I feel like it's like in symbolic
Speaker 1: of her being like that's not who I am anymore.
Speaker 1: I'm this new woman who's going to suck a stranger
Speaker 1: right after he draws me naked. That makes sense, I'm
Speaker 1: on word with that, I mean, And just the fact
Speaker 1: that it gets everyone in the theater horned up. There's
Speaker 1: it's like a fringe benefit. Totally good for them, Good
Speaker 1: for them that they cracked that one. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like they needed like a climatic moment before the iceberg. Totally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. That's like the best part of the first
Speaker 1: VHS tape is and she gets naked and then and
Speaker 1: then it's pretty much downhill from there. Um. When I
Speaker 1: was watching the movie in for the first time in
Speaker 1: the drive in movie theater, we were in my mom's
Speaker 1: car and the like windows were getting steamed up in
Speaker 1: the car. So I eleven year old Caitlin, like made
Speaker 1: this hilarious joke where like slapped the window and like
Speaker 1: brought my hand down, and my Mom's like, Caitlyn, that's
Speaker 1: very adorable. I like that. Wait it is you and
Speaker 1: your mom and your sister who was sitting in the
Speaker 1: back seat. I think it was probably my mom, like
Speaker 1: my sister and I think I think we're in the front.
Speaker 1: Mom took one for the team. I think my mom
Speaker 1: would do that. My mom was like, no, I came here, shotgun,
Speaker 1: I'll stay shotgun. Yeah. No, she's a she was a
Speaker 1: nice mom. Mom. Did your mom listen to the podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah she does. My mom still does not understand. She
Speaker 1: doesn't she does not physically know how to play. I
Speaker 1: remember the conversation, yeah yeah. And then I was talking
Speaker 1: to my dad about the other day and he's I
Speaker 1: think his exact words were like, how do you do that?
Speaker 1: It's like, it's fine, don't worry about it. So anyway,
Speaker 1: I love the I just love the whole sex and
Speaker 1: naked scenes in this. I feel like it's it's very
Speaker 1: symbolic of the sex and it. I just want more
Speaker 1: and more baby well, I mean pretty much directly after
Speaker 1: they well roses deflowered. I imagine that Jack perhaps though
Speaker 1: he was definitely I think some of those French presses
Speaker 1: the other nude girls right right, she wasn't the first
Speaker 1: nude girl. But the other thing that always makes me
Speaker 1: laugh about Jack is when he goes to that meal
Speaker 1: with the rich people and then he says like, yeah,
Speaker 1: last night I slept underneath the bridge and now I'm
Speaker 1: on this boat with you guys. And if he was
Speaker 1: like even a little less hot, that would be a
Speaker 1: horrifying thing to come out of a dable like, because
Speaker 1: he's clean and very sexy and very charming, everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's like yesterday. But if he was just like a
Speaker 1: regular person, that would give me a lot of pause. Anyways,
Speaker 1: he really gets away with social murder there. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we saw his logic. But I think everyone smelled bad
Speaker 1: in that era, Like I don't think people were bathing
Speaker 1: every single day, even though maybe even not the rich people.
Speaker 1: I feel like the rich people wore a lot of
Speaker 1: like scents. They were covering it up. Must clowns. Gross.
Speaker 1: But yeah, everyone probably smelled, especially I like, would there
Speaker 1: have even been running water on the Titanic in the Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was an amazing ship, ship of green and it was.
Speaker 1: It really was a few of the moments happened and
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, go Rose, the ship is like mid sink.
Speaker 1: Cal is like, well you're going to go off to
Speaker 1: him and be his good Yeah, and she's like I'd
Speaker 1: rather be his hor than your wife. She spits in
Speaker 1: his face. I love it. And also Billy Zane's mug
Speaker 1: when he gets hit in the face of spit. Great
Speaker 1: job by Billy Zane. Wonderful acting. Yeah, I would describe
Speaker 1: it as like, what the heck, why did you do that?
Speaker 1: And that's all he had to do. That was the job.
Speaker 1: There's another part where Rose is trying to rescue Jack
Speaker 1: from being handcuffed to like a pipe in the in
Speaker 1: the room, and she realizes someone is going to be
Speaker 1: able to help her, so she's like, fine, I'll take
Speaker 1: matters into my own hands. And she just gets that
Speaker 1: axe and goes and does it, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: girl power. But before is it before? I think it's before?
Speaker 1: Right before she gets the axe, she punches that guy
Speaker 1: in the face. Oh that too, And then he's trying
Speaker 1: to do you get her up to safety and she's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to save a life. Save a life here
Speaker 1: not No one is in the wrong per se. It's
Speaker 1: just a high pressure six, right. I think in retrospect
Speaker 1: he would forgive her. Also, he probably died. There's another
Speaker 1: scene where she's like running to the elevator and she's
Speaker 1: like take me down. He's like no, and he's like
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm through being like take me down. God
Speaker 1: damn it, And then he does it. Yeah, don't funk
Speaker 1: with Ross. She'll yell at you. This collection of all
Speaker 1: these little moments that I didn't like necessarily pay that
Speaker 1: much attention to before. But like on this rewatch, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, badass. She somehow manages the ax
Speaker 1: thing that that she probably shouldn't have worked out. No,
Speaker 1: she definitely would have chopped his hands off or like
Speaker 1: very severely at least. Yeah either way, Like it's you know,
Speaker 1: she's doing stuff, Yeah, she is doing stuff. Yeah, go Rose,
Speaker 1: Go Rose, Rose Jack the last Rose Jack Rose Jack,
Speaker 1: like a poor family about to die and they got
Speaker 1: cut back to them. Oh god, it's so sad, all
Speaker 1: those like the old people spooning. Can we talk about
Speaker 1: how potentially Jack and Rose were the reason that the
Speaker 1: at least in this depiction of the story, they were
Speaker 1: the reason the ship hit the iceberg because the watch
Speaker 1: out guys were distracted by them making out on the deck.
Speaker 1: There probably wouldn't have been enough time anyway. Probably not
Speaker 1: like to think they like sealed their own fate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if she had just gone off and done what she
Speaker 1: was told, they all those people, she was responsible for
Speaker 1: twelve hundred people dying or something. The moral of the
Speaker 1: stories here is, uh, don't love anybody and don't get
Speaker 1: in a relationship or kiss them, because you'll just cause
Speaker 1: a lot of mass destruction. This is really a dystopian
Speaker 1: view of a beautiful love story. They only knew each
Speaker 1: other for two days. Haven't even heard my theories on
Speaker 1: Jack being a child pornographer because one of the pictures
Speaker 1: that he shows Rose this is a pair of adult hands,
Speaker 1: probably man hands, on a naked child's body. His thumbs
Speaker 1: are like covering the little girl's nipples, and it's like
Speaker 1: this weird child porn thing. He can't draw his own hands, Caitlin.
Speaker 1: It's not his hands, but he's I'm saying he's creating,
Speaker 1: uh an image that is child pornography because it's like
Speaker 1: adult hands on a little girl. Look it up, it happens.
Speaker 1: I don't want to look it up. And then I
Speaker 1: don't want to look it up. Could it be a father?
Speaker 1: And yeah, but why is the girl naked? She's like
Speaker 1: very chilly naked, real little thing. She's yeah, like if
Speaker 1: she's well, if she's really little, then maybe she's getting
Speaker 1: a badge. If she's like, no, that's weird. It's like
Speaker 1: weirdly sexual. I don't want to al right, I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily withdraw my suggestion that Jack is a child pornographer,
Speaker 1: but I don't want other theory. Caitlin, I want other
Speaker 1: people to tweet at us like a bomb shelter drop it.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I'm not sorry though. These are
Speaker 1: dark times, okay, Trump, So let's just try to worse
Speaker 1: than everybody. Everyone's a child molester, no way, man. Jack
Speaker 1: was he was. He's a probably a stinky hobo, but
Speaker 1: it was nice. Yeah. I mean, like I said, Jack
Speaker 1: is a pretty good character. He spends most of the
Speaker 1: time just like bending over backwards for Rose and just
Speaker 1: like loving her for everything that she is and empowering her, crazing,
Speaker 1: praising all of her her great qualities. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so good on Jack. He's an ally. He he's such
Speaker 1: a feminist. R I P. Fabrizio always want to give
Speaker 1: a shout out. He's a good guy, he seemed. I
Speaker 1: don't know. He mostly just said Italian words and then
Speaker 1: was crushed by like a steam thing. But good guy,
Speaker 1: good guy. We think we were pretty sure maybe he
Speaker 1: was a child pornographer and we just didn't know it
Speaker 1: could yeah, true, anyone could be. This is the this
Speaker 1: is the Darante test. Tune in next week after the Darante.
Speaker 1: Is your favorite male character in a movie a secret
Speaker 1: child pornographer? I love it? It's like my theory that
Speaker 1: the baldest woman in the movie is in charge. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna these tests are gonna be famous. Andy, Do
Speaker 1: you have a test now? I feel like I need one.
Speaker 1: You can think about it, just tweet at it, keep
Speaker 1: calm and take a selfie. That'll be fine. Fine. Um,
Speaker 1: And does anyone have any other thoughts about the movie
Speaker 1: and or its portrayals in the Ladies? It does a
Speaker 1: weirdly I mean, a better job than I remembered. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have thought that it did so well just thinking
Speaker 1: about because it's like a love story, and usually love
Speaker 1: stories don't do that well, but it does really well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree all those moments. I was like, yeah, it
Speaker 1: does give Rose a lot of one. Yeah, because a
Speaker 1: lot of romance stories is usually like a rom com
Speaker 1: where like they start out hating each other and then
Speaker 1: they have to be like, oh, this guy's a dick,
Speaker 1: but he's cute, so I and he's near where I am,
Speaker 1: so we're going to fall in love Like this one,
Speaker 1: like he likes that she's tough, yeah, he like they
Speaker 1: like each other from the start, and like she's the
Speaker 1: one who like keeps trying to pull away, but she's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, No, I'm gonna get like my Dick's
Speaker 1: hard a little bit for him, so I'm gonna, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see where this goes. I know, sorry to
Speaker 1: use such a mitten male normative term for that, but
Speaker 1: there's no there's no is there a female equivalent. I
Speaker 1: guess like she's wet for him? Yeah, get it? Okay.
Speaker 1: Also ties into the theme of water and sinking ships. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I tried to force it wasn't very good. It's okay,
Speaker 1: thank you. I was like, I'm not going to throw
Speaker 1: a tantrum. You know what, I've done enough. But in
Speaker 1: this movie, the romance is to like the vehicle that
Speaker 1: gets her to like it's like, like it said before,
Speaker 1: it's sort of the catalyst for her character arc. So
Speaker 1: you can bring out the best in each other for
Speaker 1: the time that they're together. So that's nice. Um, a partner,
Speaker 1: do you have any thoughts about the movie you want
Speaker 1: to share that you haven't trying to think what we
Speaker 1: haven't covered. I feel like we did a pretty thorough job.
Speaker 1: That spectal cast baby guys were really thorough. Boy. Yeah
Speaker 1: that now she's an ally. Yeah, she's with us. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like she was kind of firmly associated with
Speaker 1: that movie for a while because of the song. So
Speaker 1: it does pass about it does really soon. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's kind of nice that it passes so soon, and
Speaker 1: it passes more than once, because there's so many movies
Speaker 1: that we do where it's to be one. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: we we did Groundhog Day and that just gets by
Speaker 1: on like an exchange Animatedal has with a waitress a
Speaker 1: about sticky buns. So even that's to stretch, and but
Speaker 1: this one passes over and over and over, like pretty
Speaker 1: much anytime there's a scene with two women in it,
Speaker 1: it's generally not about a man, or or there's other
Speaker 1: topics to it. Might either start with a conversation about
Speaker 1: a man or end it, but like throughout the conversation
Speaker 1: they talk about something other than a man. Usually, Like
Speaker 1: I said before, I do wish the Rose and Molly
Speaker 1: had more scenes together and that they were they I
Speaker 1: feel like they should have palled up and like let's
Speaker 1: do some fan fiction. Yeah, just some hanging out and
Speaker 1: then are you are you ready to rate? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 1: so yeah, we rate it on a scale of zero
Speaker 1: to five. Nipples specifically, about how it treats the female characters.
Speaker 1: So I would. I would. I think I would give
Speaker 1: this four. Yeah, I think there's a pretty high rating
Speaker 1: les and I would give it. The nimples I would
Speaker 1: give it would be, oh, we didn't talk about him
Speaker 1: the officer who commits suicide because he feels bad, so
Speaker 1: too are his? Then two are Molly Brown's Sure those
Speaker 1: are the nimples. I give it definitely. Um. I would
Speaker 1: also give it four. I think one of the reasons
Speaker 1: just subconsciously that I've I saw this movie, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty years ago for the first time, and have kept
Speaker 1: watching it over and over over is that I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it has really this pretty strong female character, which is
Speaker 1: like usually when you're revisiting a movie, realize how bad
Speaker 1: it is to women's surprise. So I'd give it four. Um.
Speaker 1: I would because the movie is just as much about
Speaker 1: roses like growth as a woman as it is about
Speaker 1: a ship sinking and the romance. So I give it
Speaker 1: a four. Two of them. Two of the nipples belong
Speaker 1: to Jack when he's trembling and very sweaty during their
Speaker 1: sex scene, and the other two got to be hairless, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was very hairless, very smooth, smooth Jack And I
Speaker 1: say the other two are the nipples that we see
Speaker 1: on Rose but not in real life. The drawing that
Speaker 1: he does of her her like illustrated nipples, sketch nits.
Speaker 1: Would you like to write the movie. I don't understand
Speaker 1: how the nipples were. We just well, we we assigned
Speaker 1: a number and then we just describe who they might
Speaker 1: belong to. That's you don't have to do that part.
Speaker 1: We do it for fun, because you know, I don't
Speaker 1: remember the officer who committed suicide. Was that. Oh there's
Speaker 1: a part. So when the when the rescue boats are
Speaker 1: starting to get full, they're crowding, and then one of
Speaker 1: the officers, I think it's the first officer Murdoch takes
Speaker 1: out again and shoots at the crowd and kills Ivory,
Speaker 1: Tommy and someone else. And then I think he realizes
Speaker 1: that he's in over he's in over his head. WHOA
Speaker 1: another kills himself. Great puns and it's very sad, and
Speaker 1: also I would argue in retrospect, very unprofessional. They could
Speaker 1: they really could have used those people. Yeah he giofed, yeah,
Speaker 1: but they could have used him for another hour or so.
Speaker 1: Uh And that did really happen. That's a thing that happened. Really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: who question that movie is real? Yeah, that would be
Speaker 1: like a mean thing to do to someone who actually existed,
Speaker 1: if he hadn't actually done that. Well, that's uh. Did
Speaker 1: you want to give it a number of nipples? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will also give it for and I give to
Speaker 1: the Fabrizio. Oh alright, I bet a pretty hairy being.
Speaker 1: Don't put him in a box. Yeah, and and I'll
Speaker 1: give you to Molly Brown. Very nice, awesome, Thanks you
Speaker 1: so much for being here when people than you like
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Speaker 1: Thanks lady. Thanks for Happy Valentine's Day every time. Careful
Speaker 1: You're your one true love might be a child pornographer.
Speaker 1: Think about that, Caitlin. Okay, bye, I can fix kal.
Speaker 1: Oh we forgot to do the check in for the
Speaker 1: middle part of the movie. Hey guys, it's uh, we're
Speaker 1: checking in. We're checking We stopped where the first VHS
Speaker 1: would have stopped. I'm a little wine drunk. How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm a little wine drunk, But mostly I'm just like
Speaker 1: we identified several points in the movie where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is where you really start feeling it. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a little fragile at this point. I again, I'm
Speaker 1: a bit of a robot, so I'm not quite there yet.
Speaker 1: I already cried twice. I cried when they kissed because
Speaker 1: that's so beautiful. And then I cried when I thought
Speaker 1: about Mr Andrews because he has such integrity. He does,
Speaker 1: so does e j. Oh. Can I pitch my cop
Speaker 1: my buddy cop? I do? Okay, this will cheer us all.
Speaker 1: So because it was Captain E. J. Smith's last voyage
Speaker 1: ever and he was going to retire the second he
Speaker 1: got to New York, I want to make a Buddy
Speaker 1: Cup movie of like it was his last week on
Speaker 1: the force. But this captain is gonna get a little surprise.
Speaker 1: And then the identic thinks I'm still in a bad mood.
Speaker 1: I think if you remember the scene where like he's
Speaker 1: in like the room with the steering wheel or whatever
Speaker 1: it's and then the windows break in and all of
Speaker 1: the water comes like rushing, and I feel like if
Speaker 1: you just like lay flapstick comedy music over that, it
Speaker 1: could just be like a really very like buster kind
Speaker 1: of thing. Well, okay, so Jamie is an emotional wreck
Speaker 1: I am doing Okay. The thing about this movie is
Speaker 1: that I'm like a little ambivalent toward the first half.
Speaker 1: Like I like it, I enjoy it progressively the second
Speaker 1: half because I the second half this movie is just
Speaker 1: like a terrific action movie with like such good practical effects.
Speaker 1: I love it. First half though, is my emotional core,
Speaker 1: because it's all over the place. There's a toxic relationship,
Speaker 1: it moves too fast. There are nudes, their promises broken.
Speaker 1: There's a mean brunette who's all about what he wants.
Speaker 1: You mean, first have his dope. Billy Zane. Billy Zane.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Billy Zane. I feel like he started
Speaker 1: like that. You identified a man character as his hair color,
Speaker 1: the way that like a lot of people, you know
Speaker 1: that blonde, and it's almost always referring to a woman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's start doing that. Let's start reducing men to their
Speaker 1: hair color. I'm very sensitive to male hair colors, so
Speaker 1: maybe a more one, try not. How do you feel
Speaker 1: about blonde adults? So yeah, but I would say Leo
Speaker 1: is is sandy enough that Yeah, I still get very
Speaker 1: wet for him. So there you have it. See as