Speaker 1: On thee cast, the questions asked if movies have women
Speaker 1: in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
Speaker 1: or do they have individualism the patriarchy and best start
Speaker 1: changing it with the Betel Cast. Hi, welcome to the
Speaker 1: Bechtel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus. My name is
Speaker 1: Caitlin Darante, and this is the Bechtel Cast which you're
Speaker 1: listening to. My name is Jamie Loftus. Oh god, we've
Speaker 1: already ruined it. No this is that? Was that? No?
Speaker 1: That was? Oh god, damn it. Sorry, Well we're back.
Speaker 1: Caitlin just read her first Alison Bechdel books. Oh I didn't.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I didn't finish it. I started it. Okay,
Speaker 1: well just right at the top. We're not qualified to
Speaker 1: be doing this. No. Oh, but you know what we
Speaker 1: haven't mentioned in a couple of weeks, as our colleges are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have one college degree. I have to college degree. Okay,
Speaker 1: good now that everyone else. Both of them are in film,
Speaker 1: so that's why I we're qualifying. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say mine is in Okay, mine could be in anything.
Speaker 1: We don't know. I'm a woman in stem j K.
Speaker 1: That's becoming a recurring that's a motif of ours. Now
Speaker 1: to women in Stem. Yeah, well, because any movie would
Speaker 1: become more welcoming to women if there were a character
Speaker 1: that was a woman in Stem. That's a full proof
Speaker 1: movie theory to get get a five nipples from us,
Speaker 1: while women in Stem, where they're steampunk culture was not.
Speaker 1: And that's really all it things to get me on board.
Speaker 1: So we're we're a podcast we talk about the roles
Speaker 1: of women in movies. Yeah, usually they're not portrayed very well,
Speaker 1: and we're here to call it out. It's funny that
Speaker 1: what he used to take us so long to say
Speaker 1: the premise, but now it's just like our podcast is
Speaker 1: still in its infancy. You know, we're still learning, we're
Speaker 1: getting better. Anyway, should we introduce our guests? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: He has a show that he does it UCB called
Speaker 1: Shitty Jumps, and he was a writer for the show
Speaker 1: Workaholics on Comedy Central. Ben Rogers. Hi, Then, now, because
Speaker 1: you are a straight white man, you are bound. We
Speaker 1: have strapped you to the chair and you're only allowed
Speaker 1: to speak when spoken to. That's just one of the
Speaker 1: rules of our podcast. Yeah, I can't believe I signed
Speaker 1: up for it. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean we did
Speaker 1: send you the long, the long list of rules. I'll
Speaker 1: admit I just skimmed it over and now, well we
Speaker 1: pepper spray you if you interject, and that's my only rule.
Speaker 1: I just want pepper spray someone that's on my bucket list, really,
Speaker 1: along with pepper spray that you carry around. No, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm really biting my tongue because you guys could have
Speaker 1: done a much better job taping me to this chair. Okay,
Speaker 1: stopped squirming so much. Just going to the audio is
Speaker 1: going to pick up, and Aristotle is going to have
Speaker 1: a hell of a time because he's tied to his
Speaker 1: chair as well. That's right. Sorrd is hard not have
Speaker 1: men a part of this anymore. We're just making more
Speaker 1: more works for ourselves. But it's like cardioph Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like because you put up quiet struggle and we
Speaker 1: were able to you know, flux our various What are
Speaker 1: you name an arm muscle delt? Nope, biceps by sepsps
Speaker 1: you that's your delts. I don't know what's there. I
Speaker 1: think here's something that I don't know what the name
Speaker 1: you got your tries by tries by shoulders. There's three
Speaker 1: parts of the shoulder. I'm having a panic attack. What
Speaker 1: are the what's the names for real? What's the name
Speaker 1: of the muscle? The little it's underneath your knee and
Speaker 1: it's a little it's maybe I want to say it's
Speaker 1: a ligament. Maybe. Anyway, mine hurt your American civil liberty? Okay, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: mine hurt. Sorry. I was just making a statement, yeah,
Speaker 1: a political statement. Okay, So we're talking about well, wait,
Speaker 1: can I say that we were talking about We should
Speaker 1: let Ben say it. It's but I just want to
Speaker 1: say it. It's a dog's purpose. It's there, it is. Okay.
Speaker 1: Have I not suggested a dog's purpose? What that we like?
Speaker 1: Watch it? Yes? I don't know. I don't remember. Okay,
Speaker 1: it would be fond to break down the roles of
Speaker 1: the female dogs in the movie. Yeah, where do bitches
Speaker 1: stand in the movie? Well, it's crazy because we're gonna
Speaker 1: let Ben say it, but it's actually going to describe
Speaker 1: both of us. Yeah, wild, take it away, do it?
Speaker 1: So my pick was single white female. For some reason,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about how I'll never fulfill a childhood
Speaker 1: fantasy of living in a building with an old fashioned elevator.
Speaker 1: Just it's just not going to happen. I want to
Speaker 1: live in either like a cool air stream on the
Speaker 1: ocean or a building with an old fashioned elevator, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm starting to come to terms that both those
Speaker 1: things aren't going to happen. And I remembered that I
Speaker 1: was trying to think of some good old fashioned elevator movies,
Speaker 1: which what was your criteria for this? It was big
Speaker 1: in the in the nineties, and then you you happen
Speaker 1: to email me and I was like, oh, this would
Speaker 1: be good for this. Excuse yeah, good for this. This
Speaker 1: movie came out the same week I was born. Wild
Speaker 1: I know. I wish that my mom was a screaming
Speaker 1: of it when I was born, but she would have
Speaker 1: named you Hetty. She would have named me Hetty. But
Speaker 1: I was I was a c section. They I was
Speaker 1: born twice. What that's you're born twice? So like they
Speaker 1: c section and then put you back in vaginal No,
Speaker 1: this is true, Okay, So it was my mom had
Speaker 1: to have this experimental womb steroid put in her to
Speaker 1: have me, and so she had to fly down to
Speaker 1: North Carolina from Boston like two months before I was
Speaker 1: actually born, and they took me out and checked and
Speaker 1: they're like the experiments working, and they put me back in.
Speaker 1: And that's why you have these huge biceps. That's why
Speaker 1: I'm very strong, you hug. I'm spiritually strong, but I'm
Speaker 1: also extreme me buff. That is insane. I've never heard
Speaker 1: anything like that. And then, oh, here's the best part.
Speaker 1: Um The doctor who invented those wombs steroids later gave
Speaker 1: the first successful penis transplant. I would like to credit
Speaker 1: myself of the inspiration you were part of that. You
Speaker 1: saw this fat little baby. He's like, you know what
Speaker 1: I should do next? Onto the next conquest? To save
Speaker 1: this baby. Now I'm going to save a penish. Now
Speaker 1: I'm going to save this guy this Under what circumstances
Speaker 1: would you need a penis transplant? Like if yours got
Speaker 1: chopped off? I kind of remember that story. It was
Speaker 1: like his I think it's dick burned off. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: It was like some tragic accident. Hey, I'll look at them.
Speaker 1: But my dad texted me to my dad, just some
Speaker 1: weird story I made up. He's actually a cancer survivisor
Speaker 1: his penis wasn't burned. Yeah. I created a horror story
Speaker 1: of like a guy all fucking burned up. Here's a
Speaker 1: great please say first American I have penis transplant, says
Speaker 1: it's starting to take shape. I love it. My dad
Speaker 1: texted me that article when that happened early last year,
Speaker 1: and he was like, did you know this was the guy?
Speaker 1: This guy's the reason you're alive. I was like, whoa
Speaker 1: was he like an O, B G U I N
Speaker 1: And then he was like, I'm going to switch to
Speaker 1: other genitals. I don't know. I mean he was a
Speaker 1: surgeon of some scene. I hope that's the case, because
Speaker 1: that's really yeah. What if I was too fat at Baker? See?
Speaker 1: I saw it as like, you know, we're all the
Speaker 1: same that the past, right, See, that's nice. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, baby, I was just a big The womb
Speaker 1: stair has worked a little too well. One might argue
Speaker 1: that was an eleven pound baby. I know that that's
Speaker 1: too big? Is because you were so you're tall? Is
Speaker 1: it because you were like a long just a long baby? Well?
Speaker 1: Are you talked as in the steroids? Excellent question? I
Speaker 1: don't know. As you're intimidating, you're here, you're pounding Mike's
Speaker 1: harder lemonade. That's true, and I do that almost every week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: except the time we both well, no, you last week
Speaker 1: I drank some hennessy. Yeah, you had me beat real good.
Speaker 1: Lest you were not chugging, but like swigging. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't realize I was walking into essentially a drinking context.
Speaker 1: This is a speak easy essentially to speak easy above
Speaker 1: a comic bookshop to wasted soft spoken ladies. Single white
Speaker 1: female female poisoning themselves. That was a good transition. That
Speaker 1: was a good and that was great. Thank you, so,
Speaker 1: single white female. What did you guys think? Well, first
Speaker 1: we talked about Caitlin summarizes the down Ben. I'm cure
Speaker 1: because because I was watching the whole time I was watching,
Speaker 1: I was like, they're gonna hate this. No, I went
Speaker 1: into it thinking I probably would, but I actually I
Speaker 1: would go so far as to say I liked it.
Speaker 1: I went into this movie with no context at all
Speaker 1: and never heard of it, and then so I just
Speaker 1: turned it on without reading anything in advance, and I
Speaker 1: liked it. Yeah, it was experience. You can tell. You
Speaker 1: can tell like you can. We were saying before you
Speaker 1: got here that it's hard to tell what genre the
Speaker 1: movie is at first and that was fun. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. This is the first time in Bectel
Speaker 1: cast history where neither of us had seen the movie
Speaker 1: prior to the episode. Usually Jamie hasn't seen the movie,
Speaker 1: and one time I didn't even watch the movie. Sorry
Speaker 1: the Matrix. Listen at the Matrix episode if you want
Speaker 1: to hear me, did you admit not until for very month?
Speaker 1: I did? Okay, job, Yeah, I would have never known. Luckily,
Speaker 1: our guest was very talkative, and then he and I
Speaker 1: were just talking about and then it was mostly you guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just here sweating more than usual. Well, anyway,
Speaker 1: a single white female just watched it a couple of
Speaker 1: days ago. I I don't think i'd even heard of
Speaker 1: it either. I think the emailed us that was the
Speaker 1: first time I've ever heard of it, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this sounds like a familiar I weirdly referenced it a lot.
Speaker 1: Really did he will know what? Now I'm realizing probably not.
Speaker 1: They're probably just like, why does this guy keep saying
Speaker 1: single white female? I often describe people's friendship as single
Speaker 1: white female. That see. I feel like people could think
Speaker 1: you were saying a number of things are saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just like announcing what you're looking for any single white
Speaker 1: females are in. Yeah, I'm sure you could just sound
Speaker 1: like a perverse one of the many things I do
Speaker 1: to sound like a perverse. Oh that's nice. It's based
Speaker 1: on a book called s WF Seeks the Same, which
Speaker 1: I'm glad the movie had the sense to take that
Speaker 1: part out of it, because basic it would be pretty
Speaker 1: racist otherwise a single white female to also seek another
Speaker 1: single white It's it's such a terrible title for even
Speaker 1: whoever wrote, Like the guy wrote the book, somebody should
Speaker 1: have told him single white female is a far superior title. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't even know if single white female is a
Speaker 1: good title either better than better than as s WF.
Speaker 1: Yeah true. So wait, wait, do the the you haven't
Speaker 1: done summary in a while? Oh yeah, Single White Female
Speaker 1: is about young woman who is living in New York City.
Speaker 1: And I didn't write one down for this one, so
Speaker 1: I'm just this is all memory. Okay. So she's living
Speaker 1: in New York. She has a boyfriend. She finds out
Speaker 1: that he has cheated on her. Get out of here, man,
Speaker 1: So she puts out an ad for a roommate. A
Speaker 1: few people come by, not all of them are great.
Speaker 1: One of them seems okay, one of them seems like
Speaker 1: she's going to pick her before the actually shows up.
Speaker 1: That was weird. The main character, Alie, ends up picking
Speaker 1: this woman named Hetty to be her roommate. And then
Speaker 1: Hetty shows some problem areas she's does. She does like
Speaker 1: weird things start to happen. She starts dressing like her.
Speaker 1: She kind of like gets a dog without letting anyone know.
Speaker 1: She presumably throws the dog off a balcony. Presumably. We
Speaker 1: don't know. We don't see it, we didn't see it,
Speaker 1: but she probably definitely did that. She did she you
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm kidding. I'm not gonna I'm not going
Speaker 1: to die on this hill. And then meanwhile she gets
Speaker 1: back with her Ali gets back with her boyfriend and
Speaker 1: then they get engaged. That makes Heady even more crazy.
Speaker 1: And then there's some violence and there's some This is
Speaker 1: not a good recap. I should have prepped it. She's
Speaker 1: just trying to have it all, just trying to out
Speaker 1: of it all, but you can't. And we learned this again,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, we we learned that. And I
Speaker 1: thought this when I was watching it today, and I
Speaker 1: was like, say that later, Jamie, you save that for
Speaker 1: the cast. I thought to myself, the only thing that
Speaker 1: single white females have to fear is single white females themselves. Wow,
Speaker 1: I know, profound. That's not adapted from anything. It's just
Speaker 1: something I thought. All Right, I'm gonna I'm gonna fact
Speaker 1: check that later. I feel like, maybe you stole it,
Speaker 1: but I didn't. I would never steal that's the thing. Anyway.
Speaker 1: So the movie, that's the story. Basically, this roommate who
Speaker 1: moves in with Ali is a crazy person. Although let's
Speaker 1: not necessarily use that as a label. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a little insensitive. I didn't expect that kind of tone
Speaker 1: on this podcast, especially where the story goes. I mean,
Speaker 1: it really makes you feel for she's got borderline personality
Speaker 1: and his story. She is dealing with a childhood trauma
Speaker 1: where she maybe also drowned her sister. Maybe it was
Speaker 1: an accident, who knows. This is like how we met
Speaker 1: when I when you started to try to turn my
Speaker 1: clothes and you threw my hamster off a balcony, but
Speaker 1: we ended up being great friends. It ended and you
Speaker 1: killed the other baby in that womb during the second
Speaker 1: birth ate the baby. Yeah, I thought I assumed that
Speaker 1: that was how I was so ready for her to say, like,
Speaker 1: but I absorbed at the twin. But you know, they
Speaker 1: opened on like a weird shot of the two girls,
Speaker 1: which was pretty cool on Yeah, So wait, when did
Speaker 1: you see this movie for the first time? Then in
Speaker 1: the mid nineties at some point it was a frequent
Speaker 1: cable movie. I feel like, um, this is the era
Speaker 1: of the erotic thriller, So this is like it came
Speaker 1: out the same year's Basic Instinct and it was And
Speaker 1: there's a lot of nudity in the movie. Yes, surprisingly
Speaker 1: uh that which I didn't remember, which definitely would factor
Speaker 1: into like me as a kid wanting to watch this
Speaker 1: and like all the like softcore movies of the era,
Speaker 1: which this is a great nineties time piece, Like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of really funny moments, but it definitely is
Speaker 1: the kind of movie that I think this is the
Speaker 1: erotic thriller at its peak, before there was internet porn
Speaker 1: and before everybody could see like hardcore pornography everywhere, people
Speaker 1: would go to the movies basically hbo ate it up.
Speaker 1: I feel like what you would see now in Game
Speaker 1: of Thrones people would go to see like sliver or
Speaker 1: single white female. This is like one that I feel
Speaker 1: like doesn't get talked about as much, but as part
Speaker 1: of that era, right. Lots of sex and silhouette, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot lots of like where you can just make
Speaker 1: out like sweaty backs, right, and you're just like, oh,
Speaker 1: in a trope that you often point out, Jamie is
Speaker 1: in specifically like horror thriller movies, girls and tank tops
Speaker 1: where you can see their hard Oh my god, much
Speaker 1: of that and the heavy girls and tank tops that
Speaker 1: are scared happened so much. Basically every scene in this movie.
Speaker 1: Oh I noticed this movie is made to tittle it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: lots of hard knips. A lot of hard nips you
Speaker 1: do get to see, and everybody looks at each other
Speaker 1: like they want to fuck throughout the movie. All characters,
Speaker 1: even some of the like do you guys notice in
Speaker 1: that mean where Hetty goes to cash her check I
Speaker 1: think and the girls kind of flirting with cash. There's
Speaker 1: like weird sexual tension between them, and I'm like, everyone
Speaker 1: wants to funck in this movie. Yeah, very horny. I
Speaker 1: get it. I listen. I was born, right, I'm kidding.
Speaker 1: I think I'm pretty sure it was like a test tube.
Speaker 1: But anyways, I was talking to my mom about this
Speaker 1: movie on the phone last night because I was telling
Speaker 1: her I had to watch it, and she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: who's in that movie? And I was like, Oh, it's
Speaker 1: a Bridget Fonda and Jennifer Jason Lee. And my mom
Speaker 1: said what she always says about women that she does
Speaker 1: not think are very attractive, and she said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: like Jennifer Jason Lee has like a very earthy beauty.
Speaker 1: This is what my mom says when like a woman
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, when a woman is like bathed and
Speaker 1: like relatively symmetrical, but my mom still finds her unfuckable
Speaker 1: earthy beauty. Yeah, that's a good way to put it
Speaker 1: without like hurting someone's feelings too bad. I think she's
Speaker 1: great in the movie. I think both actresses are really
Speaker 1: good and um and it's good casting. I think she
Speaker 1: does pull off. I mean it's also because I'm sure
Speaker 1: if she walked into this room right now, we would
Speaker 1: all be like, oh wow, and she's what twenty years older.
Speaker 1: We would all be like, she's so beautiful. But they
Speaker 1: do a really good job of I guess this like
Speaker 1: wardrobe and like the makeup department of making her look
Speaker 1: like more frumpy and like awkward, and they look exactly alike.
Speaker 1: And then they they were able to flip that towards
Speaker 1: the end where it's like, oh wow, she looks great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: although who like it was a very fun nineties trope
Speaker 1: that it's like, oh yeah, this is the haircut you
Speaker 1: want to replicate, like terrible haircut, like I wanna look
Speaker 1: like I'm wearing a bicycle helmet all time. Bridge Fonda
Speaker 1: so is beautiful and it's like you'd never know just
Speaker 1: got this weird, like clown haircut. One of my notes
Speaker 1: was that for a movie where the characters are like
Speaker 1: working a like fashion adjacent, there are an awful lot
Speaker 1: of bowl cuts. Can we talk about her job on earrings,
Speaker 1: her career of like it's fashion stuff fashion fashion e
Speaker 1: computer thing. The computer aspect of the movie is great,
Speaker 1: like because she puts her like I guess it's a
Speaker 1: want ad in the newspaper, but she does it through email,
Speaker 1: which is like to show us that she's a tech
Speaker 1: savvy person. And this is like one email like no
Speaker 1: one knew what the funk it was and like, so
Speaker 1: she has this computer business that has something to do
Speaker 1: with fashion that they they're very loosey goosey about it.
Speaker 1: I think you can like design fashion on the compute. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's so many questions I had about
Speaker 1: her job that eventually, like, I mean, I guess the
Speaker 1: movie did what it was supposed to. Eventually, I just
Speaker 1: go of those questions. I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: she owns her own business. I didn't like that, You're right.
Speaker 1: I was like, at first, you're like, what the funk
Speaker 1: is this? And you're you're kind of distracted at the
Speaker 1: way like technology is advanced, and like oh yeah, but
Speaker 1: after you know, in the third act you don't care.
Speaker 1: I would love to ask someone in does this make
Speaker 1: sense to you as something you would find potentially useful?
Speaker 1: I mean the software text shows dated that like who
Speaker 1: knows what knows? I mean, we still do it in movies,
Speaker 1: and it's it's right, It's like computers do whatever you
Speaker 1: need the story to do, and there's magic this person
Speaker 1: has a super supercomputer. Yeah. I love it when there's
Speaker 1: like a photo that's not high resolution, but and then
Speaker 1: like it's still still like crystal clear and they're like, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's it's that person mystery salt, But um, I do
Speaker 1: like that her job, she has her own business and
Speaker 1: she is I guess a soft ware developer, question mark.
Speaker 1: We hard to say she has an email account that
Speaker 1: we know she used to have a partner and they
Speaker 1: had a rough split. There's a couple of small things
Speaker 1: that they have to put in there that I feel
Speaker 1: like we're going overboard to protect, Like why she's so
Speaker 1: stuck with this new roommate. Uh. The first scene where
Speaker 1: she's with her boyfriend, Um, I can't remember his name?
Speaker 1: Sam Sam? Yeah, who's Stephen Webber plays him from Wings
Speaker 1: Let Off the Hook repeatedly for like the movie lets
Speaker 1: him off the hook again and again. But anyways, he um,
Speaker 1: he's She says that she doesn't have any friends except
Speaker 1: him and that's the only friend that she needs because
Speaker 1: and then even like when she's at this job interview,
Speaker 1: she's talking about how she and her partner have like
Speaker 1: a bad split up and so she needs all these
Speaker 1: new clients and she has a bad reputation, I guess,
Speaker 1: but I feel like they went out of their way
Speaker 1: to like she could also have friends and still have
Speaker 1: a fucking crazy room it right, Yeah, I assumed at first,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if this is what we were
Speaker 1: supposed to do or like where my mind just went
Speaker 1: immediately that her, like the friend breakup that she had
Speaker 1: would be relevant at some point, Like I assumed the
Speaker 1: two little girls at the beginning of the movie, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe that's Bridget Fonda and her her twin friend who
Speaker 1: looks exactly like I don't know. I was, well because
Speaker 1: you find out that the twin was actually a live
Speaker 1: past birth so late in the movie, but it's like
Speaker 1: contextualizing that scene takes a long time. I just thought
Speaker 1: of another weird like I guess a homoerotic scene where
Speaker 1: or like just sexual tension between two women is when
Speaker 1: that they do a montage of different girls coming to
Speaker 1: potential roommates and one is like hilariously butch, like lesbian
Speaker 1: that's like talking about fixing stuff up, and she's like no, no, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's wearing like a biker jacket and has a bandana on.
Speaker 1: And then the next person so they they like kind
Speaker 1: of I felt like overcompensated with like, hey, this is
Speaker 1: a lesbian and then the next person like looks her
Speaker 1: up and down and it's like a very hot, horny
Speaker 1: like it was like back to back, Like that's so weird.
Speaker 1: And then like a feminist caricature comes and I'm an
Speaker 1: incest survivor. I don't remember it, but I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: I was my therapist as I'm a survivor of something.
Speaker 1: And then she's like, I don't cook. Cooking is oppressive.
Speaker 1: Montage was great, and they're all like they give this hot,
Speaker 1: super hot girl no lot. She just looks her up
Speaker 1: and down like you want to funk right now. It's
Speaker 1: so weird. It is really like in what world, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it was christ And so all that leads
Speaker 1: to the girl from Heathers, who's like the one normal girl,
Speaker 1: and then she's like about to call and then I
Speaker 1: think Sam calls her. She sees a photo of amount
Speaker 1: of right, yes, that's what, and then and then Hetty
Speaker 1: walks in and she's crying, and then they like fix
Speaker 1: the sink together and get all wet and like show
Speaker 1: their nipples off. They get all wet, They get all wet,
Speaker 1: and then they're giggling, and then there's a little hug
Speaker 1: roommates with someone. I get it, you guys, wanna, you know,
Speaker 1: tweak each other. I was honestly surprised that they did
Speaker 1: not make out in this movie. I was, fully do
Speaker 1: they kiss? Towards the end, when she's tied to the
Speaker 1: chair as you are right now, I'm thinking of it,
Speaker 1: she distracts her by kissing her for a second, right,
Speaker 1: But it's not It's not like a makeout I was expecting,
Speaker 1: like the full black swan. Oh yeah, not quite that intense.
Speaker 1: But yeah, she kisses her. It's actually a very clever,
Speaker 1: it's diversion. Can we talk about Sam for a second,
Speaker 1: because you know, he cheats on her with his ex wife.
Speaker 1: But from from there on out is made out to
Speaker 1: be a pretty sympathy character, where you know, at first
Speaker 1: Ali is like, no, I don't want to talk to you,
Speaker 1: I don't want to take you back. I have a
Speaker 1: roommate now, blah blah blah, And then like it turns
Speaker 1: out like, oh, he wrote you a letter to apologize.
Speaker 1: So yeah, her getting back with him a very abrupt
Speaker 1: which I think it's more problem than just like kind
Speaker 1: of sloppy storytelling than anything. But it happens very abruptly.
Speaker 1: What I do like about that, though, is that you
Speaker 1: see that she's engaged because you see her diamond ring,
Speaker 1: but you do not see that scene playoff on screen. Well,
Speaker 1: I think they were engaged at the start of the
Speaker 1: movie because that's part of the reason why he was
Speaker 1: talking to was so Sam cheated on his with his
Speaker 1: ex wife and they were I think like he was
Speaker 1: telling her that she's going to get engaged, and then
Speaker 1: they slept together, and so that threw Ali off. So
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, but like, don't get that together with
Speaker 1: that guy, Ali, Come on, So they were already engaged. Okay,
Speaker 1: they we're already engaged. Classic story. Somebody cheats, she takes
Speaker 1: him back. I mean, hey, some people do that. Hey
Speaker 1: he gets his he gets stabbed in the it's would
Speaker 1: that have killed him with that penetrated his brain? But
Speaker 1: you have to really I was really sutilized that take
Speaker 1: him with it. I feel like it takes a little
Speaker 1: more forced I was surprised that he died immediately. But
Speaker 1: then somehow the gay best friend didn't die. That was like,
Speaker 1: I mean the injuries, who knows, because I thought, for
Speaker 1: sure the gay best friend is dead, maybe the maybe
Speaker 1: the fiance, I'll come back to life. But it was
Speaker 1: the opposite. You know who survives is the cat. The
Speaker 1: cat keeps Graham company in that bath. Was very honorable
Speaker 1: of that cat. That's like, you know it didn't start
Speaker 1: eating cat because I think that the cat waits a
Speaker 1: couple of days. Isn't that the rule? It's like something
Speaker 1: like four days a cat and like six days for dogs.
Speaker 1: It's like when you're go on a date with someone,
Speaker 1: you have to wait three days to text them back.
Speaker 1: It's the same with cat. You gotta wait wait three
Speaker 1: days to text them back. That's the rule. Now, I
Speaker 1: don't know that's so. I would be like I thought,
Speaker 1: were I thought you were blowing me off, you're ghosting me.
Speaker 1: If someone, yeah, someone took three days, I would fully assume.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well this didn't go as well as I
Speaker 1: thought it did. Uh yeah, it's an old rule. Um,
Speaker 1: I never subscribed to it at all. So I thought
Speaker 1: it was like two days to call somebody or like
Speaker 1: text them, Um, after you first get there, like info
Speaker 1: maybe like the initial like give me your number, you
Speaker 1: like wait a day. That makes sense, that one I
Speaker 1: make that makes it. But like once you hang out
Speaker 1: with someone, if you have fun with them, why wait?
Speaker 1: I mean that's the advantage of we're in the brink
Speaker 1: of nuclear war. Let's feed things up. No time to wait.
Speaker 1: See this, Okay, we're taking a serious e tour, but
Speaker 1: I want to get your opinion since we're on the subject.
Speaker 1: I feel like I usually if I'm asking somebody for
Speaker 1: their numbers something, I will text them. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to call him. Now. If you're going to break up
Speaker 1: with that person and you've never talked on the phone,
Speaker 1: do you then call on the phone or do you
Speaker 1: tell you meet them face to face? Noo? Okay, yeah
Speaker 1: if it if the relationship never okay, if the relationship
Speaker 1: never went past texting, don't suddenly call because then you
Speaker 1: know something's wrong. You're like, wait, we don't. Shouldn't you
Speaker 1: know something that is wrong? No, just they'll know when
Speaker 1: they read the text. I'd say this because I very
Speaker 1: recently did it. I was like, well, we only text
Speaker 1: each other, so I'm just gonna text him and then
Speaker 1: he'll know. And I'm saying like, you're at the stage
Speaker 1: of like still kind of feeling each other out of
Speaker 1: like and the person's like, hey, you want to do something,
Speaker 1: and then you have to be like no. So if
Speaker 1: you're still in the stage. Yeah, I definitely heard some
Speaker 1: people have blowback to that. If like you're doing this
Speaker 1: over text, oh see, I would let's just do it.
Speaker 1: I don't, Yeah, I would rather someone like if it's
Speaker 1: a real, like an actual relationship, that's different, and you know,
Speaker 1: break up with me to my face so you can
Speaker 1: watch me cry. That's what I was talking because that's
Speaker 1: why what I need you to see. But if it's
Speaker 1: just like a flirtation, it's like, if you don't want
Speaker 1: to hang out again, don't tell me your voice it's horrible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or Recovering from breakups is hard, and it's a big
Speaker 1: part of single wife female. It's true. She's devastated. She
Speaker 1: cries in like three different scenes. She cries a lot.
Speaker 1: She reads a sheet off her bed, like, no, this
Speaker 1: is how I have to cope with this bed can't
Speaker 1: have sheets. I like that, just like I don't want
Speaker 1: my bed smelling like this person that cheated on Mealy,
Speaker 1: they just fucked on it. And now she's finding out
Speaker 1: like he sucks some other woman. I do love that.
Speaker 1: There isn't she finds out is because of an answering
Speaker 1: machine mishap. There's a lot of good answering machine stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because when like Jennifer Jason miss answering machines what I did, Like,
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the very first scenes is
Speaker 1: his ex wife calls Ali answers and we're used to
Speaker 1: sing in movies if there's an ex girlfriend or an
Speaker 1: ex wife or something a very like bitter petty relationship
Speaker 1: between the two, like oh, the ex and the new
Speaker 1: girlfriends and they hate each other and they're jealous of
Speaker 1: each other and too. I like the alley is just like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's your ex wife? Whoctor? I think this movie takes
Speaker 1: a pretty sympathetic view of almost every character, even the
Speaker 1: fucking Slee's bag like has a heroic moment you mean
Speaker 1: ned Yer crazy? Yeah, and his name in this movie
Speaker 1: is Myerson Meyerson. So Stephen Tablowski of the popular podcasts
Speaker 1: The Tablowski Files, Right, he does that. St Oh, I
Speaker 1: didn't know that a wild moment where it's like, is
Speaker 1: the rape guy gonna end up the movie? Like they
Speaker 1: can't do that. They can't make this guy save the day, right,
Speaker 1: which they don't know was that's insane that they're like,
Speaker 1: you know how we're going to get someone to let's
Speaker 1: talk him and she was kidnapped. Let's give him a
Speaker 1: redeeming moment. He's fucking piste off that she's like trying
Speaker 1: to get paid for her work. Twenty minutes in like
Speaker 1: a twenty minute segment, not full segment, but both he
Speaker 1: and Sam shout you fucking batch when someone uh does
Speaker 1: when someone wrongs them in a sexual manner, in this
Speaker 1: actual amner. I mean, granted, what Jennifer decently did was
Speaker 1: I want to talk about that that I think you
Speaker 1: qualifies getting called to phone that was more justified. But
Speaker 1: I'm still just like, he shouldn't be back with Bridget
Speaker 1: Fonda anyway. She shouldn't have taken him back. But I
Speaker 1: guess that's her. I mean, that's a that's a larger
Speaker 1: conversation of whether you should take a cheater back. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean some people do. We don't know,
Speaker 1: we don't know, we're not here, But that's not what
Speaker 1: this podcast. That's a hard note. It would be like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just like sexuality is fluid. Whatever
Speaker 1: else grow at anyway, Um, what were we talking about?
Speaker 1: I'm really we're talking about what we were talking about,
Speaker 1: Jennifer Jason Lee's insidious blow. You were talking about how
Speaker 1: um Sam's ex wife is portrayed sympathetically but also hetty.
Speaker 1: At the end of the movie is portraits. She fucking
Speaker 1: kills all these people and they still kind of give
Speaker 1: her a like she's just crazy, please forget we could
Speaker 1: all go crazy, right, So it's not so much that
Speaker 1: I was saying that his ex wife was portrayed sympathetically.
Speaker 1: It was more than Ali, we don't see her being
Speaker 1: like this jealous, she's hetty woman. I was like, that's
Speaker 1: nice to see on screen. We're not used to seeing that. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's comfortable with the fact that that he has an
Speaker 1: X and that went as far as the story goes.
Speaker 1: It makes it that much more devastating that, like she
Speaker 1: should have been sucking. That's why being chill is not helpful.
Speaker 1: If your chill, someone's sucking someone else, just don't disagree.
Speaker 1: You know. I'll never knock be in chill. That's why
Speaker 1: I'm always on high alert. I'm always like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to put that out. I'm not putting that out
Speaker 1: in the universe. Did you betray me? We we likely? Yes,
Speaker 1: you know what? Probably? Yeah, I'm not saying that someone like,
Speaker 1: people are always betraying you know. It's okay, I'm very
Speaker 1: everyone somehow give each other life notes and somehow don't
Speaker 1: have what it takes. Do not be betrayed. That's not
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm saying that everybody's a piece of shit,
Speaker 1: every one except for me, right except for you? Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you? Please tell me I'm perfect. You people are
Speaker 1: perfect and I don't even have to so much. I
Speaker 1: think you're perfect too, Jamie, all right, you're perfect too.
Speaker 1: Then we don't know each other. We don't know. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'll let you guys in on my secret. Well,
Speaker 1: that's why you're bound abound waiting for everybody's nipples to
Speaker 1: get hard. So, okay, I want to talk about the
Speaker 1: scene where Hetty forcibly gives Sam a blowdram classic scene
Speaker 1: that I would say, this is kind of what that
Speaker 1: this movie is known for. Okay, So that's like the
Speaker 1: famous that's like the famous scene. Gotcha did I miss?
Speaker 1: How did she get into She looks so much like Ali?
Speaker 1: So she gets obsessed with Ali so much and like
Speaker 1: her dead win that she like starts dressing like her.
Speaker 1: There's a great scene where she realized where Ali realizes
Speaker 1: that she and Hetty both have the same clothes. Now,
Speaker 1: Ali basically bought all her same outfits. Then she went
Speaker 1: to a hair salon and got an identical short haircut
Speaker 1: and dyed her hair like orange. Right, Yeah, she got
Speaker 1: the same terrible haircut. So so then she just swoops
Speaker 1: into Sam's building and the security guard is like lets
Speaker 1: her in because like his apartment. Yeah, that's his apartment
Speaker 1: because it is called Hotel Atherton, So I get it.
Speaker 1: Is it a hotel? Well, he's probably just long term
Speaker 1: staying there because she gave him the boot. They kind
Speaker 1: of have like that. Hetty just steals a lot of keys,
Speaker 1: like that's just part of her. She's got the fucking everywhere.
Speaker 1: She stold a letter that Sam said Ali with keys
Speaker 1: in it. So I think that's how she had access
Speaker 1: to his That was Ali's place, like because he moved out.
Speaker 1: So what I was assuming is like, in my head
Speaker 1: I justified it by she just like went to the
Speaker 1: doorman and was looking like yeah because he called her like,
Speaker 1: you know, Mrs Jones or whatever. What confused me about
Speaker 1: that scene is that, Okay, by the time Sam figures
Speaker 1: out it's not his fiance He's about to nut. I
Speaker 1: get that. He nuts, He's almost there. I get it. Afterwards,
Speaker 1: he simply rolls over. Why the aftermath of that is
Speaker 1: really weird. She gave such an incredible blow job. He's
Speaker 1: all out of sword a moment. Well, and it's also
Speaker 1: jet lagged. He was just on a trip. I think
Speaker 1: you're kind of a lot of slack there. He rolls
Speaker 1: over when I think you're cutting him slack by he
Speaker 1: knew that it wasn't Ali. Well, I just think it's
Speaker 1: a cool choice for him too. I still think he's
Speaker 1: with cheat on her. I do think that's true. I
Speaker 1: give the movie credit that, um they didn't have Like
Speaker 1: it would have been lame if he came and then
Speaker 1: she popped her head up and it was not his fiancee.
Speaker 1: Like I thought it was cool that, Like he caes
Speaker 1: her and it's like oh no, and then he's like,
Speaker 1: oh I can't stop. Anyways, that made it so much
Speaker 1: tension and like and so much more conflict there of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: she kind of proves his point, like in her crazy mentality,
Speaker 1: she's trying to come guys, it's all good. What I
Speaker 1: wasn't I wasn't upset that he came. I was upset
Speaker 1: they rolled over. I was like, you should kick her out,
Speaker 1: Like why are you so feeling his chest? As yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's not pushing her. I felt the choice like
Speaker 1: from either like the script or the actor was just
Speaker 1: like to be he's so in shock of like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I just fu fucked up so bad that he doesn't
Speaker 1: know what it did, right, Like I almost interpreted it
Speaker 1: interpreted as it was like sort of sexual assault and
Speaker 1: that like I kind of resisted, but like also kind
Speaker 1: of didn't, and then like I could argue that it
Speaker 1: was like I think that he was ripped. He was
Speaker 1: ripped by her, like I kind of just fooled into
Speaker 1: a blow job under which lasted second. He was like,
Speaker 1: I know this helmet haircut. She's great. She goes to
Speaker 1: that S and M club and just sucking sucks dick
Speaker 1: the whole time club. Oh yeah, that was great. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, of course she goes to this
Speaker 1: Like it didn't it too wild? What a fun movie.
Speaker 1: It's just I miss I missed this era of movies,
Speaker 1: Like they just don't make weird movies like this, And
Speaker 1: this was a mainstream columb yeah, like it's so surprised
Speaker 1: it's not more famous. I get like, I want to
Speaker 1: make other people watch this movie, and I like, really
Speaker 1: I just miss like I do like when there was
Speaker 1: some element of weird sexual tension and just like movies
Speaker 1: being a little bit more risque um which they are
Speaker 1: now they're all pretty watered down. I mean, there's more
Speaker 1: risk a stuff on cable, but it's just well, something
Speaker 1: interesting pretty came when you go to the movies. Something
Speaker 1: interesting about this movie. To me, it was like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like if this movie was made now,
Speaker 1: because a very very similar version of this movie that
Speaker 1: I did see that was very bad, called The Roommate
Speaker 1: came out when I was in college, and it was
Speaker 1: about a college roommate. Right, so I read that this
Speaker 1: that that movie was criticized for copying this movie exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like basically the same movie but way worse, and
Speaker 1: but it's weird. I feel like if people made this
Speaker 1: movie right now, it would be like stigmatized for like well,
Speaker 1: mental health and Nona, And first of all, I love
Speaker 1: mental health. I realized that I had a bipolar pill
Speaker 1: lodged in my laptop when I took it out. However,
Speaker 1: I like, you know, if if that were the basic,
Speaker 1: like Yardstick, then there wouldn't be movies like the one
Speaker 1: where Kathy Bates goes nuts or the one where Gloss
Speaker 1: goes nuts misery. If it'll attraction. You know what else
Speaker 1: I think you like kind of um male version of
Speaker 1: this movie is Cable Guy. I've never seen and it's
Speaker 1: like unfortunate, but I really do enjoy all of those
Speaker 1: movies where someone just fucking goes nuts, and those don't
Speaker 1: come out very much anymore. I feel like for that reason,
Speaker 1: right right, I don't know problematic opinion, why, Jamie, I
Speaker 1: just do I feel like I see, like I said before,
Speaker 1: single white female relationships pop up here in the air
Speaker 1: of you realize your roommates dressing exactly like you now,
Speaker 1: or picking up all these qualities, like you can see
Speaker 1: that amongst a bunch of friends where it starts to
Speaker 1: get a little stalkery, and I find it fascinating. And
Speaker 1: I do feel like this movie kind of hits something
Speaker 1: in that zone that is real. Yeah, it's all it's
Speaker 1: all exaggerated, but it's so I don't know. I was
Speaker 1: put off by way less of it than I expected
Speaker 1: to be put off by. But we were talking about
Speaker 1: a scene where she goes to she follows Hetty, Ali
Speaker 1: follows Heady to an S and M club and she's
Speaker 1: very uncomfortable there and I can't if some woman comes
Speaker 1: on door and it's like, says something like you want
Speaker 1: to play or something like that. I can't remember what
Speaker 1: exactly she says. Um. And then she sees Hetty hitting
Speaker 1: on a guy that looks just like Sam, and she's like,
Speaker 1: you look like my sister's fiance. It's just a really nice,
Speaker 1: extra creepy layer that you throw on there. Oh it's
Speaker 1: it's and and then like people, doesn't someone presume doesn't
Speaker 1: someone call Hetty Alley in that scene? And I may
Speaker 1: sing that up um, I think a few people are
Speaker 1: like I thought you were, Like, I think Graham the
Speaker 1: gay the gay friend upstairs does. I loved Graham at first.
Speaker 1: I thought I didn't know at first, when Graham is
Speaker 1: overhearing Sam and Ali break up the first time at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the movie, I was like, Oh, this
Speaker 1: guy is a weird person who lives upstairs. But then
Speaker 1: he turned their trick. This amazing guy who in like
Speaker 1: the end of the second act is like, by the way,
Speaker 1: I hear you fo a lot. The fucking listening through
Speaker 1: the vans ends up being an important story point plan.
Speaker 1: But it turns out she didn't know, because apparently Graham
Speaker 1: either doesn't funk a lot or goes to a second location.
Speaker 1: You don't know. Yeah, Graham's class acts. He's a class
Speaker 1: I mean, he works real quietly, respect for his neighbor
Speaker 1: class of people fuck in silence. Well, he mentions at
Speaker 1: the beginning that he doesn't have any he doesn't have
Speaker 1: a guy to fuck, so he's like, I'm single. We
Speaker 1: want to Graham spin often, I know a single. Somebody
Speaker 1: writes some Graham fan fiction or it's Graham and his
Speaker 1: cat and he's talking about all the crazy people who
Speaker 1: have been in and out of this building. Graham truly
Speaker 1: is first an amazing friend. Like he calls his psychologist
Speaker 1: friend at like eleven at night and was like, listen,
Speaker 1: there's a situation going on with my friend you I'll
Speaker 1: put her on And then he I mean, I'm glad
Speaker 1: that he wasn't murdered. Yeah, in the end, he survives, right,
Speaker 1: does does the And I did see that the writer
Speaker 1: of the movie is gay, And I'm curious is like
Speaker 1: projecting himself on to Graham a little bit, and that's
Speaker 1: why he's like sort of this very noble, heroic figure.
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense because I was shocked
Speaker 1: that the gay character lived until the end, like like
Speaker 1: once she entered his apartment. That's why I thought that
Speaker 1: the fiancee was going to live and not Graham, because
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, it is the basically definitely
Speaker 1: expect Sam to live. I also liked because you guys
Speaker 1: were talking about whether Sam would really die if you
Speaker 1: got to heal through his his eyeball, but I thought
Speaker 1: it was cool, just like I think it's a visually
Speaker 1: cool way to kill somebody, just as like a movie
Speaker 1: trope those specific shoes. Yes, that's like you say, like
Speaker 1: that on your line, but like they show off the
Speaker 1: shoes in a really weird way where like the heel
Speaker 1: it looks like a knife and it has this medacine
Speaker 1: quality about it, and so it kind of pays off
Speaker 1: when it goes through his eyeball. There's a bunch of
Speaker 1: like plan payoff situations like that in this movie that
Speaker 1: I think are done pretty well. And like when you
Speaker 1: said that you thought the Graham was going to be
Speaker 1: like a creepy person. One of the reasons I like
Speaker 1: this movie and think it's pretty good is that it
Speaker 1: manipulates expectations a lot, totally make you think one thing
Speaker 1: and then something. Yeah. I like movies that that play
Speaker 1: into like you've seen a bunch of movies we're gonna
Speaker 1: play against that. It was good because it was like
Speaker 1: genuine like the earliest indication that because I truly had
Speaker 1: no context for this movie, and like the earliest indication
Speaker 1: you get is the music, Like even before you know
Speaker 1: that Jennifer Jason Lee is crazy, you hear that she's
Speaker 1: crazy in the music, and then you see it, but
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know, it unfolds kind of cool
Speaker 1: the way she kind of like sneaks up on her
Speaker 1: right and she enters the apartment, like doesn't knock on
Speaker 1: the door, just like comes in. Ali's crying on the floor.
Speaker 1: She gets like super close to her before she's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm here. That was sort of like the first indicator
Speaker 1: that there was something off about her. But it takes
Speaker 1: a while after that before you see anymore like alarming behavior,
Speaker 1: Like you almost get why Ali was befriending her because
Speaker 1: she's vulnerable, she needs a friend. Ali gets busted going
Speaker 1: through her ship. Ali's that that was great. That's a
Speaker 1: great She's going through her ship and like putting on
Speaker 1: her clip I think I love this movie. I have
Speaker 1: such a funny choice, like, yeah, Hetty's got clip on
Speaker 1: arians that she's going to give you as a present.
Speaker 1: It did. She was so touched. She's like, really, do
Speaker 1: you want to give me your clip on? You're right,
Speaker 1: Like it pays off a lot of stuff well that
Speaker 1: it sets up earlier, which actually made me sad for
Speaker 1: the current state of a lot of movies where I
Speaker 1: feel like things are just so much lazier now than
Speaker 1: they used to be. Like them when they insert that
Speaker 1: shot of her throwing away the receipt from the pet
Speaker 1: store when she bought the dog, just to have the
Speaker 1: lie of her being like I found the dogs. They
Speaker 1: were giving it away just such a small thing for
Speaker 1: like just another Like she's already clearly crazy and like
Speaker 1: they did a great job of showing us that, but
Speaker 1: they literally show you the receipts. Yeah, they're like, she's
Speaker 1: really checking off every box of like back when I
Speaker 1: don't know that it probably didn't focus groups for this
Speaker 1: and be like where didould get the dog from? Like
Speaker 1: when they cared, I did feel like they really give
Speaker 1: a funk about this b movie. Yeah, it's a fucking
Speaker 1: thriller that like knows what it is, but like they
Speaker 1: really care about it. Oh, we haven't talked about the
Speaker 1: the weird bald guy rapes scene yet, Like we talked
Speaker 1: about when it comes back as the hero almost hero
Speaker 1: of the entire movie. But the scene where like you
Speaker 1: know that he's you know from moment one because he
Speaker 1: basically humiliates Pritchett Fonda at the beginning, which like you
Speaker 1: could argue as a business power move, but he's like
Speaker 1: it was humiliated. He would have never talked that way
Speaker 1: if that if she was a man, you would have
Speaker 1: that conversation would have gone entirely differently, right and then,
Speaker 1: but he interpreted humiliating in her as like I probably
Speaker 1: made her pretty horny then by really just crashing or
Speaker 1: even that has a good sort of high load of it.
Speaker 1: Of they set you up. You don't like him, but
Speaker 1: she does such a great job that change like this
Speaker 1: is great, Like you're really good, and so she lets
Speaker 1: him in a little bit. He takes advantage of that
Speaker 1: and then it is a creep But then that information
Speaker 1: from when she was like, here's my mind and my
Speaker 1: other numbers so we can talk about it later of
Speaker 1: my neighbor's my neighbor's that's being important. Huh. It is
Speaker 1: crazy because you know, you could very easily assume that
Speaker 1: once he's an asshole to her at the beginning, and
Speaker 1: then the you know, the second time you encounter him,
Speaker 1: he's like, Wow, you did a great job. That could
Speaker 1: very easily be like and that's it for that character.
Speaker 1: That was his purpose. But then when he comes back
Speaker 1: and that I wanted to just zoom in on his
Speaker 1: face for that entire Weird Lecturers scene where he is
Speaker 1: like so, you know, like just a very creepy massage,
Speaker 1: and Bridge of Fonda does a great job of seeming
Speaker 1: very set that it's happening, and you know she's gonna
Speaker 1: like beat him up. You know, it's like he's not
Speaker 1: you know. I like how she gives this volleyball like
Speaker 1: classes are yeah, just sorry, And that helped that really
Speaker 1: illustrated because the listeners we needed that. I nearly knocked
Speaker 1: the mic over to demonstrate the move. But yeah, he
Speaker 1: immediately goes into he rubs her down for a second
Speaker 1: and it is immediately expecting a blowjob and it's just
Speaker 1: sucking whipping his I want to use that line now,
Speaker 1: can I at least turn around? I'm very romantic when
Speaker 1: he started it? And I also want to use that
Speaker 1: volleyball move at something, just smash a guy in the
Speaker 1: ball the power like that. Yeah, and he goes, but
Speaker 1: then he saves the day later he's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm actually a pretty good pretty good I tried to
Speaker 1: write you. Because then he comes to leave, he's like
Speaker 1: kind of rape and some like he's doing doing the
Speaker 1: same fucking backrupt moved later and he's like his older secretary,
Speaker 1: which was another great Cassie choice. And that's even fun
Speaker 1: where because she's like, he's like, shut off all the
Speaker 1: computers right now, and she just leans back because she
Speaker 1: wants it because she fucking hates him too. Yeah, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, that guy's story is crazy because then Jennifer
Speaker 1: Jasonly calls him and is, you know, like his wife
Speaker 1: and pretends to be a She's like, you know, like
Speaker 1: you're going to be in big trouble if you ever
Speaker 1: say anything, and but then just insane to me. I
Speaker 1: wonder if that happens in the book insane to me
Speaker 1: that he comes that he's like half redeemed when he's like,
Speaker 1: this guy is bad, just kidding, he's fine just getting
Speaker 1: his a rapist, but he might also save the day.
Speaker 1: But also he's dead now. I really like how there
Speaker 1: it's all real world struggles to me and all ship
Speaker 1: that I feel like everybody can empathize with. Where it's
Speaker 1: like she's got a fucking amazing apartment that's cheap, and
Speaker 1: they want to hold on to it at all costs,
Speaker 1: and it's a huge source. There's a huge source of
Speaker 1: agony for her. She doesn't want to kick her out
Speaker 1: because but she has to because it's a great place.
Speaker 1: And then she's got her own business and she's got
Speaker 1: all this work stress, and then it's like job stress,
Speaker 1: relationship stress, housing stress. It's like the ship everybody deals
Speaker 1: with it feel like, and that's what this movie is about.
Speaker 1: She just happened to get a crazy roommate. It's the
Speaker 1: other The scene. The last time I'll mention the Raby
Speaker 1: guy unless we unless we have more reason to is Mitch.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep calling him Mitch Meyerson. Um. But the
Speaker 1: scene after that happens. I thought it was very like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like it was very well written to me,
Speaker 1: Like right before um Hetty calls his wife and you're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's crazy. But that scene where Ali is saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's actually my fault and like, now this is gonna
Speaker 1: sabotage my career because I you know, rightfully volleyball this
Speaker 1: guy in the nuts for being a rapist. But she's like,
Speaker 1: you know, and this is somehow going to ruin my business.
Speaker 1: And that felt like I was like, whoa, that's a
Speaker 1: very real moment in the movie because I'm like, that's like,
Speaker 1: that's not an atypical reaction to being you know, like assaulted,
Speaker 1: and it's and it's also probably not an atypical reaction
Speaker 1: to what actually would have happened. And so that was
Speaker 1: weird and that that was sort of a moment where
Speaker 1: I was like, if I was Ali, I would be
Speaker 1: pro heady at that moment when you know, when she
Speaker 1: was saying like, what you're not gonna do something about this,
Speaker 1: it's clearly not your fault, and it's like okay, Hetty,
Speaker 1: I'm with you, and then she does something crazy and
Speaker 1: then kills like definitely was like the irredeemable thing that
Speaker 1: she does. So she doesn't kill the cats, So I
Speaker 1: like her. What is Cathy Bates kill? She kills something
Speaker 1: in misery? Yeah, Glenn Close kills rabbit. I love Glenn class.
Speaker 1: She boils it in a pot. She's a wild child.
Speaker 1: I love her. I love damages. We should all watch it.
Speaker 1: Fatal attraction. I feel like, is he started to get
Speaker 1: the ball rolling enough? Like yeah, what leads to single
Speaker 1: white female? That's true because it's fatal attractions like nine
Speaker 1: like that a few years before. Yeah. Yeah, the late
Speaker 1: eighties early nineties was the time for for this genre
Speaker 1: of thriller. It's very good. Um, I want to talk
Speaker 1: about the For like the longest time watching this movie,
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, there's so much female nudity. Where,
Speaker 1: so many nipples, so many naked lady bonnies. Let's see
Speaker 1: some dick. It's not going to happen, but it happens.
Speaker 1: We see a sliver, see sliver Stephen Webber's dick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Sam when he like because he does whip out of
Speaker 1: bed after he gets his blow jaw u um and
Speaker 1: he's upset. You get a little full frontal action in there,
Speaker 1: but I was like, that's it. Actually, I like all
Speaker 1: the nudity in it, because even the female nudity is
Speaker 1: not necessarily like sexual, and a couple of the scenes
Speaker 1: it's just like it's just people are naked, which I
Speaker 1: think there should be more nudity in movies. I mean
Speaker 1: I just think in like a realistic way because it
Speaker 1: definitely plays into like she gets naked around her and
Speaker 1: Ali's weirded it out by how often head he just
Speaker 1: like takes her shirt off and stuff. Um, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. I always think it's weird when like two
Speaker 1: characters are in bed and they're not naked, like just
Speaker 1: you're an actor being naked, and I think that I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not trying to sound like see dude, It's
Speaker 1: like it's like something like getting get naked. You're in
Speaker 1: the picture, you want to be in the movie. You
Speaker 1: want to be in the picture, you take your top off.
Speaker 1: Nobody sits in bed like that. I your nips is
Speaker 1: a cube, do the rest. My favorite is when there's
Speaker 1: a sex scene in the movie and the actress is
Speaker 1: like clearly not agreed to show any nudity, so like
Speaker 1: she's got her bra and while they're just banging banging
Speaker 1: it out. That's how you say it, right. If it
Speaker 1: were realistic, everyone would be naked except the man is
Speaker 1: for some reason, wearing socks still really goes. Yeah. For me,
Speaker 1: sex is as clothes as possible. Zero eye contact, well
Speaker 1: for sure, zero eye contact. Let's not ruin the experience
Speaker 1: by remember. Yeah, I'm just glad that we saw some
Speaker 1: dick that was nice. I also, yeah, you gotta gotta
Speaker 1: check it out. Is it is it worth the peak
Speaker 1: virus watching the movie? Never mind? Uh? Yeah, I had
Speaker 1: to uh subscribe to a one week free trial of
Speaker 1: Stars via Amazon rent I rented on iTunes. I'm the
Speaker 1: only one supporting this town, this town, hey ladies on
Speaker 1: this movie that we all liked, and I'm the only
Speaker 1: one been off the street. He was barking at women
Speaker 1: on this I got some ice cubes like that walk
Speaker 1: Oh god. The other The other thing I want to
Speaker 1: talk about is um and I don't even know if
Speaker 1: it's worth mentioning, but a lot of these, a lot
Speaker 1: of the movie. It wouldn't have played out the way
Speaker 1: it had had Alie not been so nice and or naive.
Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah, she's so accommodating to Hetty that it's
Speaker 1: almost infuriating. I'm like, she bought you know that she's
Speaker 1: bought all your clothes and that she it just but
Speaker 1: that feels that's all kind of real with me too,
Speaker 1: of like she's really trying to make the best out
Speaker 1: of this situation where I feel like it it would be
Speaker 1: possible for some audience members to sort of switch to
Speaker 1: Hetty's side at any point by being like, well, Ali
Speaker 1: was kind of mean to her at this moment or
Speaker 1: at this moment, and like, but Ali's so overly nice
Speaker 1: to her, even at the very end where Ali is like,
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to forgive her and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Like till the very end, she's too She's absolutely too
Speaker 1: nice and forgiving literally everyone. I am truly shocked that
Speaker 1: the ending is her thinking about how she's going to
Speaker 1: try to forgive the woman that almost murdered her best
Speaker 1: friend and did for her fiance and killed her dog,
Speaker 1: gave and killed her a dog, killed her a dog.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill you would hey, no, you won't be
Speaker 1: a star. I do like that that she that's just
Speaker 1: surprised me, and I mean they do she has no friends.
Speaker 1: She's trying to get over this breakup. It's yeah, also
Speaker 1: another way, she's in the fashion age industry. Fashion there's
Speaker 1: but also in that ending segment, there's a weird reference
Speaker 1: to Graham saying like Sam's dead, get over it, basically
Speaker 1: of like I spent a while morning Sam, but Graham
Speaker 1: said I had to move on. I was like, is
Speaker 1: that really what you say to your best friend after
Speaker 1: they were murdered by the same person you were almost
Speaker 1: murdered by Graham. I'm just remembering what after she thinks
Speaker 1: she killed Graham and um Ali walks in on her
Speaker 1: in the shower and like really weird, and then she
Speaker 1: stares at her bloody clothes. She blames it on her.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh yeah, She's like, do you want tea?
Speaker 1: Even then she's like we're trying your scamping. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: camping because you can help that. I was like, that
Speaker 1: was a sink full of blood and she was so
Speaker 1: much blood, Like it always happens when I'm where you're
Speaker 1: not supposed to in your period. It always you just
Speaker 1: ring it out into your sink into like clogs. Like
Speaker 1: what the funk was that she clotted their bathroom? Sink
Speaker 1: it was crazy. No, I can totally relate, and I'm
Speaker 1: a very nice person, so I like, really get it. Oh,
Speaker 1: I thought you were saying I'm very heavy. Every time
Speaker 1: I think o J was innocent, she bled to death
Speaker 1: that she just got a really bad period. I just
Speaker 1: started watching. I just started watching the people versus o
Speaker 1: Jam really enjoying it. Oh, it's good. You gotta watch
Speaker 1: the ESPN documentary. I'm going to watch that as well.
Speaker 1: I've seen it twice. Nice, I'm gonna watch it again.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess it boils down to, Uh, this
Speaker 1: one relationship between these two characters is so complex and interesting,
Speaker 1: Like we got this nice lady who just wants to
Speaker 1: be nice and accommodating. We've got this uh woman with
Speaker 1: the personality disorder that also makes her homicidal. Uh what
Speaker 1: put them together? And why do you like advertisement for
Speaker 1: mental health care? Yeah? True, her parents do care what
Speaker 1: happens to her, trying to help herntal neglect thing. Even
Speaker 1: the weirdo her checks the cash checks, that horny cash.
Speaker 1: Her boss is like, your dad's calling here. He says,
Speaker 1: he's gonna come on down the New York City. If
Speaker 1: you don't get together and she's like, I've gotta go.
Speaker 1: She's like, you're an actress, right, and you're yeah, I
Speaker 1: like it. I love it. It looks good. I did like,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm gonna go blonde. She's like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Then she comes, Oh my god, coming coming on the clock.
Speaker 1: Very cool. Uh. But then the I I also just like,
Speaker 1: on a very basic level, like the fact that even
Speaker 1: though we don't necessarily know what Ali's job is, she
Speaker 1: is both clearly very good at her job, owns her
Speaker 1: own business, and as a nice person. Where I feel
Speaker 1: like that is not where most movies go. If someone
Speaker 1: if a woman's getting her job, she's usually not nice.
Speaker 1: All seeing the Devil Wears product two weeks notice, et cetera. Uh, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was an interesting portrayal. I liked they made a
Speaker 1: lot of choices that I really was on board with
Speaker 1: and that I really liked this movie. Yeah, everyone watch it,
Speaker 1: Slee female ever start referencing it, so I'm not alone? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I can't. I wonder what the percentages of people
Speaker 1: said something along the lines of like, she's single white
Speaker 1: female in you. I don't know what I would think
Speaker 1: if you said that to me. I would just be like, Wow,
Speaker 1: this guy hates single white female. She's women move out.
Speaker 1: Uh do you have a lot of friends who found
Speaker 1: horrible situations like that that you're having to drop in it? Constantly,
Speaker 1: drop the reference all the time. Yeah, I've definitely been
Speaker 1: in Sam's position many a time. You can't stop banging
Speaker 1: your ex wife. She's got her hooks on me. Keep going,
Speaker 1: I keep going to her place to tell her I'm
Speaker 1: with somebody new. And how he talks that off though,
Speaker 1: he's like she was sad. Yeah, she was droning like
Speaker 1: it's like, Sam, you rascal. I don't like that. What
Speaker 1: I do like is that oftentimes a woman who is
Speaker 1: like the other party of a cheating situation is the
Speaker 1: one who's like targeted to be like, you're the villain,
Speaker 1: you home record, you awful person. But she's never seen
Speaker 1: on screen. We don't even mention her again. We hear her, really,
Speaker 1: we hear she is stand there. But I like that
Speaker 1: all of Alley's anger is targeted towards Sam until it's immediately,
Speaker 1: not until it's not. She's like, wait, he sent me
Speaker 1: a letter, He showed up unannounced, fucking making out and
Speaker 1: like about to fuck Meanwhile, Hetty's watching in the window
Speaker 1: and the old lady sponsor. I forgot to feel old
Speaker 1: lady from like, who's been an old lady in a
Speaker 1: hundred movies? She started acting, you know, she was in
Speaker 1: four hundred movies from ages like sixties seven to seventy two.
Speaker 1: She's God, I can't wait to go on r IMDb
Speaker 1: because I'm sure it's all like old neighbor, old lady librarian.
Speaker 1: Where was Hetty's We saw Hetty at work once, didn't we?
Speaker 1: She works at a bookstore? She does. Okay, well, I
Speaker 1: feel stigmatized. What do you mean, as a psychopath who's
Speaker 1: worked at a bookstore, I feel stamentized. Yeah, I reckon.
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen this movie, you probably haven't also
Speaker 1: listened to this episode of the podcast because we spoiled
Speaker 1: the entire thing. Yeah, you should listened to this. Yeah
Speaker 1: if you, oh man, you made a huge mistake. Um.
Speaker 1: I do like at the end of the movie that
Speaker 1: they insinuate if you don't forgive the person that wronged you,
Speaker 1: you will become them. That is kind of really a
Speaker 1: weird lesson for you know what. I kind of want
Speaker 1: to see Ali as a crazy person. Was there a sequel.
Speaker 1: Let's see, there was a sequel that came out like
Speaker 1: ten years ago that was like a directive video. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The last thing I want to say is that we
Speaker 1: do see like there's a short beat where Graham kind
Speaker 1: of saves Ali. Whenever, why couldn't he have saved Ali
Speaker 1: instead of the rapist? Well he does, but if he'd
Speaker 1: woken up like ten minutes earlier, that whole weird situation
Speaker 1: would have been avoided. They had to draw out the
Speaker 1: ten draw the tension, and it led to the big
Speaker 1: like trailer moment that I remember of him ripping the
Speaker 1: tape off her face and she and it's a close
Speaker 1: up of Bridget Fond and she says, look out, she's crazy. Yeah. Wait,
Speaker 1: So whenever ned Ryerson goes to confront her, he never
Speaker 1: gets into the apartment, right, like the neighbor or the
Speaker 1: landlord or something shoos them away or does he you know,
Speaker 1: because she has she's that's actually another finds her. She
Speaker 1: goes to the basement to get Alie's bags, and she
Speaker 1: crawls into it to see if she can fit a
Speaker 1: body in there. And then and then so she then
Speaker 1: she brings the bag back up and and Mitch, of
Speaker 1: course notices that it has Ali's name on it, and
Speaker 1: so he barges his way in and locks. But I
Speaker 1: also can't imagine speaking that way to a stranger, like
Speaker 1: you do know her? I don't know. But then he
Speaker 1: goes in and just like a series of big reactions
Speaker 1: from Mitch Meyerson saying like you know, he's like, you
Speaker 1: do know her? And he pushes in and he goes
Speaker 1: what the fuck and then he straddles the woman he
Speaker 1: almost raped not three days ago. Yeah, that would have
Speaker 1: been really fucked up if he was like, now I
Speaker 1: got you kind of finish what I started. I'm a
Speaker 1: fucking pervert. I like, man, I wasn't too upset when
Speaker 1: he got whacked. Yeah, and I don't think. I don't
Speaker 1: think you're supposed to be whacked as in like mobster
Speaker 1: style killed, or like whacked over the head. I forget
Speaker 1: what happens. I didn't get to this. He was whacked
Speaker 1: over the head, right, he was whacked. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like it's a pretty vague way that he dies. Okay,
Speaker 1: steampunk check. This is the first movie we've ever talked
Speaker 1: about that I does not have. I was wondering if
Speaker 1: you would be able to stephorn steampunk in here. No
Speaker 1: steampunk culture in this movie, which is probably like it movie.
Speaker 1: That's why I like it. And also I think this
Speaker 1: movie predates steampunk culture. That is true. I was in
Speaker 1: San Francisco again this week and I saw the steampunk
Speaker 1: guy again on the accordion pants guy. The accordion pants guy.
Speaker 1: There's a guy in San Francisco who I was so mad.
Speaker 1: I went to the same I remembered cross streets and like,
Speaker 1: let me go back and see if he's still there,
Speaker 1: and fucking of course it's a Monday, he's still there.
Speaker 1: Grow up. I know. I'm like having a very hard
Speaker 1: time arriving at a point, but I swear I did
Speaker 1: have one that I like that she ends up ultimately
Speaker 1: saving herself. Like there's that brief moment where like Graham
Speaker 1: kind of steps in, but then I feel like he
Speaker 1: he gets hit or something, and that's again. So then
Speaker 1: Hetty takes her to the basement and then they have
Speaker 1: that fight down there. So I like that, like she
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be saved by a man, she saves herself.
Speaker 1: I like that she throws a rat on Hetty, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I was like, no, she's gonna squeal at the
Speaker 1: rat and then she's gonna be caught. But she has
Speaker 1: the fourth side to be like, let me throw the
Speaker 1: rat on my enemy. Yes, she does wind up being
Speaker 1: unbelievably strong, Like, she does some pretty acrobatic stuff over.
Speaker 1: That's pretty amazing. That's pretty great. She's a software developer
Speaker 1: for the fashion industry. Of course she's strong. She can
Speaker 1: do anything. They set up that screw driver for a while,
Speaker 1: they did one of those. Yeah, yeah, anyone else have
Speaker 1: any final thoughts about I liked this movie so much.
Speaker 1: Thanks for introducing it to us. Yeah, my pleasure. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you guys enjoyed it. Thanks for having me on
Speaker 1: talking about perhap. I know the final thing we need
Speaker 1: to talk about is whether or not the movie passes
Speaker 1: the Bechdel test. Does it does? Yeah? And almost every scene.
Speaker 1: Good job movie. Um, a lot of the ones we've
Speaker 1: talked about don't even try, don't time for nipples. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We rate the movie on a scale of zero to
Speaker 1: five nipples based on its portrayal of about like women,
Speaker 1: So we ran on nipple scale. I like the odd
Speaker 1: number of nipples. Yeah, that's how a human number body works. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: five sets of nipples. Nipples total five nipples five We've
Speaker 1: ought one, two, three, four, five? Okay okay, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: just not always all right unless some of us are.
Speaker 1: What are the types of animals that like their penis
Speaker 1: will like withdraw into their body like whales? It's like
Speaker 1: that for something that's also human. Sometimes women's nipples just
Speaker 1: shrink into the body. Yeah, I aspire to have no
Speaker 1: nipples one day. It's another one of my bucket list things.
Speaker 1: And go flip a table. What was the other thing?
Speaker 1: If you just gotta go sucking nipples right hand, it's
Speaker 1: really a mind over matter kind of thing. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: think my nipples away. To pop your nipples out. God,
Speaker 1: I miss them. Just hold your breath and let them.
Speaker 1: I'm going to write a self help book called Think
Speaker 1: your Nipples Away. Please do. I'll buy it, thank you. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: you go first. Since in rating it, I would give
Speaker 1: this movie because it has such an interesting representation of
Speaker 1: like the relation chips and a lot of trips that
Speaker 1: we see, especially if this genre are subverted and things
Speaker 1: like that. I would give this movie like a four.
Speaker 1: Four nipples. Yeahs, I have to describe the nipples all right,
Speaker 1: half fast fun. I'm excited to describe my nipples. Okay,
Speaker 1: the two of them belong to Ali empowered, empowered nipples.
Speaker 1: They're very nice, just beautiful New York and cool New
Speaker 1: York and cool um. And then the other two belong
Speaker 1: uh god, I don't they're just they're four nice nipples.
Speaker 1: You don't want to you don't want to talk about
Speaker 1: Hettie's nipples? Is that where this is going? You're kind
Speaker 1: of bp D nips. They're not as nice as Allie's.
Speaker 1: I mean that's part of the story, right, Well, but
Speaker 1: like a are they Well we see both of them,
Speaker 1: but I think we see Hettie's nipples more. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's naked a lot in this movie. She's naked a lot,
Speaker 1: and she's hot. She's a hot babe. I'm giving it
Speaker 1: four nipples. You're gonna give her two nipples for nipples.
Speaker 1: I'm giving her two nipples for nipples. I'm going to
Speaker 1: give four nipples as well. Two of them belong to
Speaker 1: Hetty's dead twin. Two of them belong to Ali's computer program.
Speaker 1: Nipple ladies. That's great, Okay, I'm giving two to the
Speaker 1: old neighbor. Yeah you know what, Yeah, let's give him
Speaker 1: to both women over. I don't know if um Mitch's
Speaker 1: secretary was, but she's definitely, you know, one of the
Speaker 1: older characters in the movie. It's true. I'm giving her
Speaker 1: my other two nipples. Are there any people of color
Speaker 1: in this movie? No, that it's very why it is.
Speaker 1: But and this is not to defend a lack of representation,
Speaker 1: but there we really only know five or six characters
Speaker 1: in this entire movie. The cast is very small. You
Speaker 1: can you usually make Graham a person of color, It's true.
Speaker 1: And then and then if he lives, that would be
Speaker 1: a double victory. Yeah, we did it. We did it.
Speaker 1: This was a fun one. This was fun. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: are now can no and tie you well, let's save
Speaker 1: the noises. Yeah, thanks again for being here. Thanks. Do
Speaker 1: you do you have anything you'd like to plug? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the first part of your question. No, I
Speaker 1: don't really, I don't really have anything to plug. You
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