Speaker 1: On the Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies have
Speaker 1: women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and best
Speaker 1: start changing it with the beck Del Cast. I welcome
Speaker 1: to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Jamie, my name
Speaker 1: is Caitlin, and we have the podcast that you're listening
Speaker 1: to right now, and it's about women and how they
Speaker 1: are portrayed in movies. That's right, Usually not very good,
Speaker 1: but sometimes okay, sometimes okay, sometimes good good, like the
Speaker 1: movie we're talking good today. Yeah. I was talking to
Speaker 1: my friend about this. The fact that it took us
Speaker 1: this long to talk about this movie when it's been
Speaker 1: our header on Twitter since the beginning. WHOA. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: like to think about when we when we met up
Speaker 1: at that coffee shop to talk about this, and we
Speaker 1: still didn't know how to talk to each other. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, I emailed you and I was like,
Speaker 1: do you want to do podcasts with me? I have
Speaker 1: a ninety literally an email and now I tell you
Speaker 1: every time I like p Yeah, what a beautiful friendship.
Speaker 1: I know. Hey, quick question, since we're talking to women stuff.
Speaker 1: I did something last night where I was like, would
Speaker 1: this hurt? Like, couldn't hurt? I was hoping it would help,
Speaker 1: but then I was like, put it actually hurt? Expired
Speaker 1: bad dresso wipes? Where are we out on that? Um?
Speaker 1: I googled it and they were like, it can't hurt.
Speaker 1: And maybe they're just not as potent as they would be.
Speaker 1: What is it? Is it like an itch? Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you've got if you've had a weird week sometimes you
Speaker 1: need one. And I hadn't had. I guess I hadn't
Speaker 1: had a weird weekend a long time. But I was
Speaker 1: just like, something's going on down there. And then I
Speaker 1: at first I like classic, I blamed myself. I was like,
Speaker 1: what did I do? What did I you know, I
Speaker 1: certainly didn't funk this week? I like what happened? And
Speaker 1: then I was like, you know what, Jamie, you're wasting
Speaker 1: time blaming yourself. Where are those expired vegical ones? And
Speaker 1: then I used them and today no itchin, no scratching,
Speaker 1: Oh good, feeling good. I'm so glad. Have you ever
Speaker 1: had to throw away expired condoms? Because I've had to
Speaker 1: do that on a number of occasions. That's the implications
Speaker 1: of that, Yeah, No, I have sex regularly enough to
Speaker 1: use the condoms that I stole from the Boston University
Speaker 1: Health Services office. Well, i'm allergic three years ago, as
Speaker 1: you know, I'm allergic to latex, so I really need
Speaker 1: to like plan. I didn't know if I knew that really.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the first two years of sex for me
Speaker 1: was like, I guess this isn't for me because it
Speaker 1: just it hurts, and I eat magical wipes afterwards, and
Speaker 1: I found out I was allergic to lateex and now
Speaker 1: and also I'm a huge advocate of the sex plan.
Speaker 1: I'm talking weeks in advance. Like I'm not one for
Speaker 1: the spontaneous meeting of genitals, so I plan so far
Speaker 1: in advance. I'm like, hey, get some get some non
Speaker 1: late text condoms, like really some goat skin. But I'm
Speaker 1: want to use a goat skin condom. But here's the
Speaker 1: tricky thing is one time, when I was briefly dating
Speaker 1: that vegan, he was like, I can't get a sheep
Speaker 1: skin condom. That's not vegan. What do you do? I
Speaker 1: don't know, you figure something out. There was a condom
Speaker 1: present when I arrived for the sex meeting three weeks later.
Speaker 1: So all's well that ends well, well, that's your public
Speaker 1: health announcement at the top of this Begdel cast. That's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: should we introduce our guest. I would love that super
Speaker 1: She is a writer and actress, also a podcaster because
Speaker 1: she has a podcast called Love Alexei on the Nerdest Network.
Speaker 1: Not just any podcaster in Aristotle Associate. So like, this
Speaker 1: is like, hi, caliber guests, this is important. I'm very
Speaker 1: excited and it is Alexei Wasser. Hello, thank you for
Speaker 1: having me, Thanks for being here. I kind it so
Speaker 1: hard to try to be quiet, and this is your
Speaker 1: introm like tearing out and crying. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I want perspect or live. They're very sad, they know
Speaker 1: they were and I'm thinking with you, Caitlin, expired condoms
Speaker 1: doesnt mean not having sexes means I mean I'm protected sex. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not even having any sex. But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that, you know, cooler implications dogs or run
Speaker 1: call her the raw dog. Oh my god, you're called
Speaker 1: raw doggin. Yeah, I have for sure said the sentence
Speaker 1: I only rod dog when I'm in love before I've
Speaker 1: never said that, but I'm going to start Holy sh it.
Speaker 1: It's a big moment for you know that. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's how I have to tell someone I love them
Speaker 1: for the first time. I'm likely rod dog when I'm
Speaker 1: in love. I only rod dog when I want to
Speaker 1: be in love. Right, I'm like, I'm not in love,
Speaker 1: but I would like to rod dog. So let's see
Speaker 1: if we can just go on this journey to my
Speaker 1: mom who listens to him? Huh, yeah, No, she's cool.
Speaker 1: What's her name, Lori's raw dog. Sure for sure, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. I'm looking at the result this man. My
Speaker 1: mom listened to our podcast for the first time over
Speaker 1: the weekend because she quote does not understand how podcasts work.
Speaker 1: It's as simple as a click. Mother, and she came
Speaker 1: back with you've met my mom and she's like a
Speaker 1: problematic figure. Jill Offfice, I mean, how would you describe her?
Speaker 1: Because I have years of coloring. I mean, Jill, she's
Speaker 1: a perfectly wonderful woman. Again, I don't have her as
Speaker 1: a mother, so I don't have quite the same perspective
Speaker 1: as you. But you know, she seems like she's a
Speaker 1: great lady. Okay, So here's the thing with Jill's also
Speaker 1: a likely we're all drinking Mike's hart lemonade that Caitlin
Speaker 1: brought and Aristotle got iced and he did Okay, we'll
Speaker 1: post the vid on the Twitter because he did an
Speaker 1: amazing eyes like he just eat no breaks. It was
Speaker 1: I'm going to upload it to YouTube and hope that
Speaker 1: ice culture comes back something. But my mom listened to
Speaker 1: the podcast for the first time, and her m O,
Speaker 1: my whole life has been like, let me say, then,
Speaker 1: nice possible thing about your friend, and then say, and
Speaker 1: you were fine too. Oh, She's like Caitlin is so
Speaker 1: intelligent and I was like, I know, she's really like
Speaker 1: she and my mom was like she went to grad
Speaker 1: school right, which is like not intelligence at all, but
Speaker 1: for Jill, I mean, Jill's like um. And then at
Speaker 1: the end she was just like you and the guests
Speaker 1: were fine too. Was this Oh God, should I see that? Yes? Yes,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen them. Oh god with Elizabeth Berkeley movie.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen show Girls either. I'll be back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got to talk about it. Another one of these
Speaker 1: things that can I get weirder. I'm sorry, I'm coming
Speaker 1: off a two okay, because I do have to drive
Speaker 1: to my mom's house after this my mom's house. Also,
Speaker 1: my mom and I got in a fight about Grayson Frankie.
Speaker 1: Why it's so jill. Like we were talking on the
Speaker 1: phone the other day and she was like, just so
Speaker 1: you know, I watched Grayson Frankie first, and now you're
Speaker 1: like co opting my show. I was like, you're so wrong,
Speaker 1: Like I watched Grace and Frankie first, and she's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: well I watched it. I was like, well, jokes on you,
Speaker 1: it wasn't out. And then I was like, I hate Robert,
Speaker 1: I hate Martin Sheen's character. And she's like, because you
Speaker 1: don't understand him. And then we got into a whole
Speaker 1: squabble and then I hung up and then we call
Speaker 1: back and we're like, the important thing is we both
Speaker 1: like Grace and Frankie. Yeah, that'll keep it. That'll keep
Speaker 1: it on wherever it is. The air that's so strong,
Speaker 1: Like when you tell people you love Grace and Frankie,
Speaker 1: they do think you're kidding at first. Yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: mean I guess like an extreme love for that show
Speaker 1: people wouldn't automatically expensive. God, well, I think it's an
Speaker 1: important show because there's older women are represented. My mom
Speaker 1: loves it. She my mom is going to turn me
Speaker 1: onto it, okay, and you know, and I'm so happy.
Speaker 1: It's like a representative of like, oh wow, women are
Speaker 1: still allowed to exist and you know, past a certain point.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and be super funny and like the folk us.
Speaker 1: And I hate Robert. I hate Robert. Sometimes you're a Grace,
Speaker 1: sometimes you're a Frankie. Sometimes you can be Ausaul, but like,
Speaker 1: never be a Robert or get out of my life.
Speaker 1: Hey what if? Sometimes you're a Felma or a Louise transition.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's the movie we're talking about today. This
Speaker 1: is probably the longest it's ever taken us to really
Speaker 1: just trying to like top our record of how long
Speaker 1: it takes us to get me taking on the blame
Speaker 1: like a woman does me Like, I'm sorry you guys,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. We're sharing the victory. Yeah. This movie
Speaker 1: came out in one directed by Ridley Scott, written by
Speaker 1: Callie Corey. I am not entirely sure how to pronounce
Speaker 1: her last name, but Thelma Louise. I'll give the recap
Speaker 1: the Caitlin's famous recap. Baby, I thin a good feeling
Speaker 1: about this one. O me too about this movie or
Speaker 1: this recap, this recap. Oh yeah, well I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but I'm really maybe it's some Mike's hard really ready
Speaker 1: for this recapt. Okay, so we've got Thelma. She's played
Speaker 1: by Gina Davis. She's a housewife, she has a shitty husband.
Speaker 1: We've got her very good friend, Louise Susan Sarandon. Louise
Speaker 1: is like, hey, let's go away for a weekend. I've
Speaker 1: got this cabin in the mountains. Let's just go and
Speaker 1: let our hair down and it'll be great. On their way,
Speaker 1: they stopped at this country bar and this guy named
Speaker 1: Harlan zones in on them and he's like, oh heybe
Speaker 1: Han gears pretty gears. And then he commits some horrible
Speaker 1: acts of sexual assault against Thelma, and Louise is like,
Speaker 1: hey there, motherfucker, how would you like a bullet in
Speaker 1: your chest? And so she shoots him because he's about
Speaker 1: to rape Thelma. And then they're like, oh ship, oh
Speaker 1: my god, we killed a guy. So they've got to
Speaker 1: flee the scene, and the driving there like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what do we do? We gotta figure this out. They
Speaker 1: stopped at a hotel. Louise is like all right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go to Mexico. I'm gonna have boyfriend wire me
Speaker 1: some money. That's what we're gonna do because we can't
Speaker 1: go to the police because why no one will believe
Speaker 1: us that he was raping you. We were getting away.
Speaker 1: It wasn't really self defense anymore, there's no proof. This
Speaker 1: is just how the world works. We got to figure
Speaker 1: out a different strategy. So they basically become fugitives from
Speaker 1: the law. They get the money wired to them from
Speaker 1: Louise's boyfriend Jimmy, but they meet up with this guy
Speaker 1: j D a k. Brad Pitt who's super hot and cute,
Speaker 1: but he's a little thief and he snatches all the
Speaker 1: cash that they had. That's how I described a little
Speaker 1: feet little thief. Hey, and then I did do that,
Speaker 1: wait to do that. J D a little scamp. He
Speaker 1: gets away and he takes all their money. So Thelma
Speaker 1: takes matters into their own hands and taking actually a
Speaker 1: little tip from j D, robs a grocery store and
Speaker 1: gets away with a bunch of cash. So now they're
Speaker 1: like even more wanted criminals, and they've got the cops
Speaker 1: on their tail. The cops have gone to Darryl, which
Speaker 1: is Thoma's husband, and Jimmy and different people, and they're like,
Speaker 1: I'm my god, where are these ladies. We got to
Speaker 1: track them down? What are they doing? And they just
Speaker 1: keep committing more and more crimes. They can't stop, they
Speaker 1: can't stop. They funk with a police officer, they blow
Speaker 1: up a guy's gasoline hauling vehicle rig. Were you supposed
Speaker 1: to say spoiler alert before you that everyone has seen
Speaker 1: the movie, Yeah, we're gonna spoil it if you're triggered
Speaker 1: by spoilers or activated by triggers. Place. Uh. They keep
Speaker 1: committing more crimes and getting in more trouble, and then
Speaker 1: at the end they're like, you know what, let's just
Speaker 1: let's go all the way and then they drive off
Speaker 1: a cliff. Amazing famous cathartic film moment. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people who have never seen this movie, and
Speaker 1: I think it's because they know how it ends, so
Speaker 1: I don't need to see it exactly. It's been I
Speaker 1: know what it ends. It's been spoiled. But you should
Speaker 1: see this movie if you haven't, because it's I wouldn't
Speaker 1: even qualify it as a twist ending. It's like it's
Speaker 1: just the ending right, Yeah, it's so great. I can't believe.
Speaker 1: I can't believe it took me so long to watch it.
Speaker 1: I watched it for the first time when Caitlin and
Speaker 1: you and I were emailing or emailed you and I
Speaker 1: was like, let's do this movie. You haven't seen it
Speaker 1: at that point, I had not seen it, and I watched.
Speaker 1: I was like devil worse product or Elman Louise. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I just couldn't believe it took me so long to
Speaker 1: this movie and how much I loved it. And there's
Speaker 1: also one aspect of it where it's like the Gina
Speaker 1: David's character when she's like with with Louise and it
Speaker 1: comes out and it's so subtle and smart how they
Speaker 1: do it. That the reason why Susan Sarandon's character was
Speaker 1: so activated triggered what have you and shot the dude
Speaker 1: who was trying to rape her best friend in the
Speaker 1: parking lot. Was it all ties back to the fact
Speaker 1: that Susan s Randon's character was raped back in the day.
Speaker 1: She's excess a victim of rape, So what is the
Speaker 1: reason why? And then you learned later on at the
Speaker 1: end of the movie, Oh, that's why she you you
Speaker 1: understand at the time why she shoots the guy because
Speaker 1: he's a fucking misogynist piece of ship rapist dude. But
Speaker 1: then later it's even like you know more lay, layerd
Speaker 1: and special, which I one of the reasons why this
Speaker 1: movie is so good and so well written. Like this
Speaker 1: movie has so much restraint, and it's like withholding of
Speaker 1: information and then releasing it, and it's like it just
Speaker 1: keeps building and every scene like heightens from the next
Speaker 1: scene until there's literally no choice but to dry. Is amazing,
Speaker 1: and that informs the reason. And since Drannon's character running
Speaker 1: from the law and not thinking she's going to get
Speaker 1: you know, they won't believe her, that's informed by the
Speaker 1: fact that somebody they didn't believe her when she was
Speaker 1: in Texas, right, so she probably tried to do. This
Speaker 1: movie is a movie about two women who are like,
Speaker 1: we know the system is going to fail us, so
Speaker 1: we're not going to even try to play by their rules,
Speaker 1: and they just like rebel against it. For the entirety,
Speaker 1: it's so cool to watch, but also it's so like
Speaker 1: the premise of it is so frustrating or we're like
Speaker 1: frustrated on their behalf because the only reason that they're
Speaker 1: like acting out in this way and they're so like,
Speaker 1: there's so much anger in this movie, which I love
Speaker 1: of because you never see like rape is so often
Speaker 1: used as a plot tool in movies as like to
Speaker 1: explain like that's why she's fucked up because you know,
Speaker 1: and but this movie like uses that real experience so
Speaker 1: intelligently and basically that that experienced colors why they don't
Speaker 1: trust anyone. And it's just like it's so well done
Speaker 1: because almost every movie mishandles it and uses it as
Speaker 1: a plot tool over like a real character element that
Speaker 1: informs so many of their decisions that is not directly addressed,
Speaker 1: but when you really think about it, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that totally makes sense that that's how she would see that.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like rape is portrayed I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys agree with this, where it's like it's
Speaker 1: it's portrayed it as this kind of semi sexy thing
Speaker 1: and this weird male, gazy way it's been that's been
Speaker 1: done before. I don't know they talk about that misrepresentation
Speaker 1: where it's like I'm not saying every single time it's
Speaker 1: a rape scene in the movie or a TV show.
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily sexy, but sometimes it's it's kind of provocative,
Speaker 1: and there's like an element of that where you're like, oh, wait,
Speaker 1: are we teaching men who are watching this? This is
Speaker 1: kind of like sex just like show in a way
Speaker 1: that it doesn't look like, oh, a crime is taking place.
Speaker 1: It looks like how you'd film a sex scene, which
Speaker 1: is not how this should be. And that's another thing,
Speaker 1: is like the way that film is rape is staged
Speaker 1: is very stark, and it looks bad because it's bad,
Speaker 1: like which is such a simple thing, but it's so
Speaker 1: rarely looks bad because we're so close to the characters
Speaker 1: and where you know, you're seeing like disembodied body parts
Speaker 1: as opposed to faces, and and just the reality of
Speaker 1: what this looks like from a distance, which no one
Speaker 1: ever shows. And it's like it's hard to look at,
Speaker 1: but it's like it's supposed to be. It's wrong and
Speaker 1: it's Kelly, I don't know what she's uh, do you
Speaker 1: know what she's written? Since then no, I'd have to
Speaker 1: look at up. Ellen Barkin was supposed to play one
Speaker 1: of the parts. Did you hear that? No? I didn't.
Speaker 1: She turned it down I don't know who she was
Speaker 1: supposed to play. I love the casting. The casting is great.
Speaker 1: All my current issues with Susan Sarandon aside, wait what
Speaker 1: are they to one of those she she she was
Speaker 1: essentially a Bernie bro and then she said, don't vote,
Speaker 1: don't vote for Hillary. She's a part of the problem.
Speaker 1: But but she does very well in this movie. And
Speaker 1: it was a long time ago. For context, I think
Speaker 1: the context of the year this came out is really interesting.
Speaker 1: And I was reading some of the reviews when it
Speaker 1: came out in ninety one of like critics were not
Speaker 1: sure what to do with this movie, and they're like,
Speaker 1: it looks feminist, but it actually isn't. For A B
Speaker 1: and C. And this was right around the Anita Hill
Speaker 1: hearings with Justice Clarence Thomas, and like all this stuff
Speaker 1: was going on. What do I have. It's a time
Speaker 1: article where you know, this was around the time where
Speaker 1: they were just starting to be women in the House
Speaker 1: of Representatives. And like the year after this, ninety two,
Speaker 1: A K. A. Jamie's year was called the Year of
Speaker 1: the Woman. A K. Jamie's here and Aristoles here too, right,
Speaker 1: hell yeah? And then I also have this cool quote
Speaker 1: from Cali Corey that I found. She said this last
Speaker 1: year anniversary. She said, as a female movie goer, I
Speaker 1: just got fed up with the passive role of women.
Speaker 1: They were never driving the story because they were never
Speaker 1: driving the car. It's like love it Callie. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: the Jamie context check. It's kind of fascinating that this
Speaker 1: movie came out when it did because the reasons they
Speaker 1: have for not wanting to go to the police and
Speaker 1: then not believing them, and they don't have enough evidence,
Speaker 1: and people will essentially victim blame her, like, oh, you
Speaker 1: were asking for it because you were dancing with hand
Speaker 1: cheeked to cheek all night. Those are still the things
Speaker 1: that we faced today today it has unfortunately nothing has. Basically,
Speaker 1: women often do not report when they are sexually assaulted.
Speaker 1: If they do report it, they are often not taken
Speaker 1: very seriously by law enforcement. The perpetrators of the sexual
Speaker 1: assaults are often not brought to any sort of justice
Speaker 1: or they did not face any consequences legally. And this
Speaker 1: is still happening today, So it stands to reason why
Speaker 1: they would also in when the story was taking place.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what it must have felt like. It's
Speaker 1: this bad now, Like I don't know, Like I was
Speaker 1: debating on the way over and liked, do I want
Speaker 1: to talk with this doing not because Caitlyen, you know,
Speaker 1: but I mean I went through a similar experience like
Speaker 1: that in college where I was assaulted by my own boyfriend,
Speaker 1: and I mean it's still going on. It's been like
Speaker 1: four years of just you know, years of like, don't
Speaker 1: report it, don't say anything, there's no physical evidence, no
Speaker 1: one's going to believe you. Then starting to talk about it,
Speaker 1: and sure ship, no one fucking believes you because you
Speaker 1: know you're still with this person, and that's the whole
Speaker 1: you know, abuse cycle. And even when I went to
Speaker 1: the police a couple of years ago, it was, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't have any physical evidence, what could they do
Speaker 1: or that's you know what you're told that I was
Speaker 1: in college at the time. You tell the school, they
Speaker 1: don't do anything, and it's still like it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: Where now to the point where now like the most
Speaker 1: recent thing that's happened is I I started talking about
Speaker 1: it and then was told by this person's legal representation
Speaker 1: to like shut up or they'll retaliate legally. So it's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not any easier now. It's just it's
Speaker 1: crazy watching this movie and thinking in any way that
Speaker 1: someone could like view Louise saying they're not going to
Speaker 1: do anything about it and have doubt about that because
Speaker 1: the I mean, look at the brock Turner case, Like
Speaker 1: this system habitually fails victims to the point where a
Speaker 1: lot of people feel like there's no fucking point in
Speaker 1: doing it because it's like such a traumatic experience and
Speaker 1: odds are you'll lose like money and like you know,
Speaker 1: pride and like everything because they just fucking not to
Speaker 1: mention all, like all the backlash that the victims get
Speaker 1: when they come forward in in especially like very public
Speaker 1: cases like the Bill Cosby case. So many people were like,
Speaker 1: you're just doing this for money or attention, and it's
Speaker 1: like what, how could you even possibly fathom that that's
Speaker 1: why victim is coming forward? So it's it's bonkers. So yeah,
Speaker 1: these problems still persist over twenty five years ago when
Speaker 1: this movie was made. You know, who knows how much
Speaker 1: worse it was back then. Listen to your friends. Believe it,
Speaker 1: when women come forward about these things, it's not like
Speaker 1: a fun, fun thing to just say yeah. So we
Speaker 1: are getting very heavy on a podcast. It's usually quite
Speaker 1: light and fun, but to be fair, we are still
Speaker 1: drinking as we are, I'm getting like sad drunk. I
Speaker 1: wanted to address this because it's relevant to the movie
Speaker 1: and it's important, But we can also talk about other
Speaker 1: aspects of the movie, for example, the characters we've got
Speaker 1: Thelma and Louise. Another reason this movie is so well
Speaker 1: done is that the writer has written two very distinct
Speaker 1: and developed characters. You take Selma, She and Louise both
Speaker 1: have a sense of humor, but just like getting down
Speaker 1: to the very specifics of its like, Louise has a
Speaker 1: more like drying, sarcastic sense of humor, whereas Thelma is
Speaker 1: like kind of goofier. Louise is like kind of strategic
Speaker 1: and methodical and her thinking, whereas Thelma is like more carefree.
Speaker 1: And because Thelma is younger, I think that she's supposed
Speaker 1: to be right. I didn't. Yeah, I'm not entirely sure.
Speaker 1: I don't. Well, regardless of age, I feel like it's
Speaker 1: sort of established earlier on that Louise is like the
Speaker 1: more worldly too and has is less I'd like hesitated
Speaker 1: to say naive, but you know, has like more worldly.
Speaker 1: I should also, I felt like when I was watching it,
Speaker 1: when I Helma with Gina Davis, she's not dysfunctional and
Speaker 1: healthy relationship with her husband. I feel like in a way,
Speaker 1: she's kind of she's assuming the same role in her relationship.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's healthier, but she's assuming the same role
Speaker 1: in her friendship with with Louise Susan Randon's character, because
Speaker 1: it's like again, she's kind of being like bost around
Speaker 1: or kind of unless more gentle. You know, it's more
Speaker 1: loving for sure, but in a sisterly kind of way,
Speaker 1: but it's like still, I mean, she kind of relies
Speaker 1: on Louise, like almost like yeah, because that's how she
Speaker 1: lives her She navigates her life and the same thing
Speaker 1: in her friendship. She is she's the banda right, she's
Speaker 1: the but yeah, I mean, and it just goes to
Speaker 1: show that these are just two very distinct and like
Speaker 1: multidimensional characters um grow and change what they do. They
Speaker 1: are dynamic as when Thelma, I thought it was so
Speaker 1: smart how they By the way, it makes me love
Speaker 1: Riddley Scott because he made this movie. I was just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't believe it is so with it.
Speaker 1: But when okay, so Thelma has a fling with the
Speaker 1: new Bile Dewey ripped fucking gorgeous Brad Pitt and early
Speaker 1: early bread Pitt is already gorgeous. We know, yawn, snooze whatever,
Speaker 1: but he's so new bile and sexy and hot as fuck.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, love the word new bile. Let's bring
Speaker 1: it back. It's it's back, baby. But when so Gina
Speaker 1: Davis has this like fling, she's this hot sexy rendezvous
Speaker 1: sex romp whatever in a ship hole motel with you
Speaker 1: like whatever bere rooting for her during this, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: was like, so she's fucking getting getting sucked by whatever. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you. So Gina David is getting
Speaker 1: slammed by by Brad Pitt and during that rendezvous, she goes, well,
Speaker 1: how do you rob these places? How do you hold
Speaker 1: a place you know or whatever, liquor store or whatever?
Speaker 1: How do you make your money? And he re enacts
Speaker 1: what he does, like when he when he robs a
Speaker 1: liquor store and then later after Brad Pitt steals on
Speaker 1: the money from the girls, Gina Davis retains and remembers
Speaker 1: the lesson that Brad Pitt, the thief, gave her when
Speaker 1: they were having their fucking sex romp. And then she's like, hey,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I know what to do because I
Speaker 1: learned from the guy who actually stole the money how
Speaker 1: to do this. And then she goes and robs the
Speaker 1: liquor store and it was just so smart. It just
Speaker 1: all makes so much sense at all piece together. It's funny,
Speaker 1: it's and uh yeah. And and to see her evolution
Speaker 1: of her character or Tina Davis is like, I think
Speaker 1: this is my calling, Like where she's like realizes like
Speaker 1: she's a fucking badass. I mean she's been so repressed
Speaker 1: by Darryl, her husband, that like the first chance she
Speaker 1: gets to like kind of break free, She's like this,
Speaker 1: this is means who I've always been. Who's Susan's Randon's boyfriend.
Speaker 1: His name is Jimmy and he's played by Michael Madsen.
Speaker 1: Another is killed Bill who he's bad? He Mary? Oh,
Speaker 1: let's check. And also an exist anyone because I have
Speaker 1: a crush only on six year old Now I have
Speaker 1: a crush on Can. I allowed to talk about this
Speaker 1: and I allowed to haven't talk about my crushes and
Speaker 1: Tim Burton, Bryan Coffelman, who's married. I would never get
Speaker 1: a married man. I'm just saying, it's like there my
Speaker 1: celeb crushes or people i'm aware of who I think
Speaker 1: you're handsome, Anthony Bourdain, Okay, I think come on these
Speaker 1: men like so to Mend like that Madsin guy or whatever,
Speaker 1: Michael Mason, they existed, get puffy, oh sor to Vince Vaughn.
Speaker 1: It's such a bummer. Yeah, it's so weird when men
Speaker 1: reach a certain asi and they just get puffy. I'm
Speaker 1: body shaming that. Good. Let us do that to them.
Speaker 1: We get borrations, babe, Yeah, stop getting so puffy. Ben
Speaker 1: affleck and Gone Girl Puffies. Oh my god, he's a cheater.
Speaker 1: It's the puffiest movie of all time. I'm gonna like,
Speaker 1: I'm bringing down like the high brown nature of your podcast.
Speaker 1: Oh I love that you call our podcast high Like?
Speaker 1: Have we talked about questions? Can we talk about dates
Speaker 1: we've been on with magicians? That's true A mentally smell
Speaker 1: of the entire Boogie Knights episode just yelling hogs out
Speaker 1: hogs out bags are not high brow means, private means,
Speaker 1: but I would be remiss if we didn't talk about
Speaker 1: old crushes without a quick shout out to Alfred Molina,
Speaker 1: my beefcake. Oh my god, see married. Probably, I don't
Speaker 1: know my old man crush is, which is like not
Speaker 1: at all original or anything like that. Jeff gold Well,
Speaker 1: but Paul Newman. But even as like an eighty year
Speaker 1: old man, I would have still rolled around boy using
Speaker 1: his vinegarette as lubricant. Oh my, that's an infection waiting
Speaker 1: to happen. We can't just use just like I mean,
Speaker 1: you need some fresh ones. Also, Alpha Molina has been
Speaker 1: married to his wife for longer than I've been a
Speaker 1: lot a friend. I want to sit on this face.
Speaker 1: You do. I want to sit on his old face.
Speaker 1: That's how he dies. Kill him with my love. Our
Speaker 1: conversation is not passing the Bechdel test right now. You
Speaker 1: know I told you I was going to devolve your
Speaker 1: whole fucking feminist idea. Oh my god, I'm like, anyway,
Speaker 1: I have a christ I would propose an asterisk to
Speaker 1: the Bechdel cast, which is talking about fucking Alpha Molina
Speaker 1: should pass the you're talking about murdering bothering him with
Speaker 1: your love, pussy that's that's totally past the test. And honestly,
Speaker 1: he might just like drown. It might not even be
Speaker 1: a smart We're done anyway, moving on, I'm always so
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about the sex scene between
Speaker 1: j D and Selma, where like the first shot you
Speaker 1: see that is just Brad Pitt's very chiseled, hot body
Speaker 1: and it pans from his face down to his like
Speaker 1: abs or maybe vice versa, but like you just see
Speaker 1: like a lingering shot on his body, and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you also see shots of scantily dressed Thelma. But I
Speaker 1: like that it's like equal parts, like hot naked bodies
Speaker 1: together for unequal pay and we're bad back. Well, I
Speaker 1: bet Gina Davis made more money on this movie than
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt did. It could be because his character is
Speaker 1: on the on screen for you know, ten minutes or happened.
Speaker 1: I bet he paid more. Still that's the problem. Well
Speaker 1: that whatever, guys, I'm sorry, stop away. Well, that reminds
Speaker 1: me of the scene where they've been pulled over by
Speaker 1: the cop later on in the film and he takes
Speaker 1: Louise back to his car and he's like about to
Speaker 1: run the license plate number and Filma comes up and
Speaker 1: she's like, hey, I'm gonna took this gun in your face,
Speaker 1: You're gonna get into the trunk of your own car.
Speaker 1: But the whole time they're doing it, they're just like
Speaker 1: profusely apologizing. It's funny and like part of me is
Speaker 1: like I wish they didn't have to apologize so much,
Speaker 1: but it is. It is like kind of played for comedy,
Speaker 1: and I do enjoy it because I would also probably
Speaker 1: do the same exact thing in that situation and be
Speaker 1: like I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry that I'm stealing
Speaker 1: your gun and I'm so sorry that I'm locking you
Speaker 1: in your trunk, and it's they're just so polite and
Speaker 1: apologetic about it, and it's I really enjoy the scene.
Speaker 1: That was. Yeah, that was so because like that's closer,
Speaker 1: I mean as fun as it would have been to
Speaker 1: have them go like scarface and be like not, that's
Speaker 1: not it wouldn't play because I mean, that's not how
Speaker 1: their conditioned. That's not how their condition And also, these
Speaker 1: characters are very new still at being these like rogue albamies,
Speaker 1: so it's more believable that they would be like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, like I'm a police officer and they shot
Speaker 1: holes so you can breathe. That's right. We're maternal, we're women.
Speaker 1: We can do it all. We can have a fashion.
Speaker 1: Later on, there's a scene which is like I would argue,
Speaker 1: maybe a little out of place, but I also don't
Speaker 1: mind that it happens where that guy comes up on
Speaker 1: the bicycle and he's like smoking and joint and it's
Speaker 1: about racism, right, I mean, gonna help you the police,
Speaker 1: and he just blows his like we'd smoke into the
Speaker 1: air hole and then he just rides away. And I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'm glad that happened like that. That's
Speaker 1: a detail because we were talking before the podcast started,
Speaker 1: Caitlin and I about writing stuff and whatever, and I
Speaker 1: feel like that's an example of like a scene in
Speaker 1: a screenplay that could have easily been cut, but they're like, no,
Speaker 1: let's leave it or leave it in. I'm glad to
Speaker 1: did did you know that Callie Corey is married to
Speaker 1: t Bone Barnett Sexy Callie Corey also made the Nashville
Speaker 1: reboot that is her most recent move, Go Calli. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So t Bone started working on Calli's Nashville, but then
Speaker 1: left after thirteen episodes, and everyone was like, is there
Speaker 1: trouble in the te Bone Cally band? The world was
Speaker 1: a buzz and then t Bone came out and was like, listen,
Speaker 1: I love my wife. I love working with her. However,
Speaker 1: you know, they needed how fee distance. And also he
Speaker 1: had only agreed to thirteen episodes, so the fact that
Speaker 1: he didn't continue is not a reflection on t Bone
Speaker 1: and in fact it's just a testament to the fact
Speaker 1: that Callie's got it go on t Bone work on inside.
Speaker 1: Leewin Davis were not worried, and Callie was like, see
Speaker 1: you later, see you at home, love you. It's like,
Speaker 1: had a great relationship Katie Sigal and her husband on
Speaker 1: The Sons of Anarchy. He created the show show another
Speaker 1: you know, and at some point it's just like, can
Speaker 1: we go again? I don't want to commute to work
Speaker 1: with you. You know. Now, are we supposed to learn
Speaker 1: with the Bechtel Tester? Is the Bechtel test supposed to
Speaker 1: learn from us? Because as women, here's the question, because
Speaker 1: I find myself in my day to day just going
Speaker 1: how much time do I waste talking to every Starbucks,
Speaker 1: every brief that every Starbucks, every girlfriend, I have about
Speaker 1: whatever relationship turmoil I'm going through, like my dating issues,
Speaker 1: my conundrums, whatever. And then I go, oh, my god,
Speaker 1: what point is it about me venting and processing and
Speaker 1: turn into just a time stock of me obsessing over
Speaker 1: relationships and men? And then because it is a real
Speaker 1: thing that exists in real life, and that's why I
Speaker 1: feel like it's shown in movies women talking about relationships.
Speaker 1: That's not all we talk about. But it's like, I've
Speaker 1: got to remember this in my life. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lesson to me in the future. So when I
Speaker 1: start dating again, if I ever do not to talk
Speaker 1: about it, I mean having a life that passes the
Speaker 1: Vacteal test. That's what I'm saying about our life. My
Speaker 1: life fails the Bactel test. No, but it doesn't because
Speaker 1: it's like the Victeal test isn't about only talking about
Speaker 1: things that aren't men. It's just doing that at all.
Speaker 1: So really, every woman's life passes the Bactel test. If
Speaker 1: you call your mom and you're like, can I use
Speaker 1: expired vegetal wives already a passivntal test for the day,
Speaker 1: because that's not about that's about the opposite of a man.
Speaker 1: That's about expired feminine products. So it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: no one's life is going to pass the backtal tests.
Speaker 1: I'm certain Klin and my text conversations would not pass
Speaker 1: the back tell the time. Sure, yeah, it's just like
Speaker 1: you know, whose Instagram are you on? But what he does?
Speaker 1: It's so fun because, yeah, Aristotle, do you ever talk
Speaker 1: to your guy friends about girl stuff? You don't? Are
Speaker 1: you wasted? You're boring? He's sucked up on a smart house.
Speaker 1: Arizontle is the sweetest baby boy I've ever known. I
Speaker 1: got there. There's a page that put up a joke
Speaker 1: of mine this week, the kind of page where you're like,
Speaker 1: someone's gonna hate me for being a woman and can't win.
Speaker 1: You can't win. But I was looking forward to the
Speaker 1: variation on which I could not win, because it's like,
Speaker 1: once you know you're going to get fucking roasted, it's like,
Speaker 1: what now I'm just strapping in and who has the
Speaker 1: best burn? You know? And at the time, this was
Speaker 1: like a picture of me about a year ago and
Speaker 1: my hair was way shorter, and the comments had like
Speaker 1: some variant one like who does this short haired bitch
Speaker 1: think she is giving me sex tips? And it was
Speaker 1: from a woman. Oh, it's not the words when it's
Speaker 1: like a woman hating woman. I looked at her profile.
Speaker 1: She has a long haired bitch. Oh my god, not
Speaker 1: the answer. Actually, that reminds me of a story beat
Speaker 1: that I didn't pick up on until this very recent
Speaker 1: rewatch of Thelma and Louise, where the waitress who serves
Speaker 1: them like clearly knows Harlan he's the guy who attempts
Speaker 1: to rape Thelma. Um, she seems to know that he is, Like,
Speaker 1: maybe we can only speculate us. She doesn't agree, right,
Speaker 1: but she like she knows that he's kind of trouble
Speaker 1: because then whenever, um, how Harvey Kitel, the lead investigator,
Speaker 1: is questioning her, she's saying, like, he like, I'm surprised
Speaker 1: this didn't happen sooner. Um, it was probably his wife
Speaker 1: who shot him, Like she clearly knew that this was
Speaker 1: coming to him, and we can maybe assume that he
Speaker 1: has sexually assaulted other women throughout her So I was
Speaker 1: a little bit bugged by the fact that like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, she didn't warn these women that she wasn't
Speaker 1: more of like an ally to them, were like to
Speaker 1: stay away from him. He's trouble. That's true. That's a
Speaker 1: tricky gray because it's like, especially if you're at because
Speaker 1: even now, it's like if you put yourself in that
Speaker 1: sort of position where it's like you're a stranger to
Speaker 1: someone and you don't want to alarm them to the
Speaker 1: point where they want to leave your place of business.
Speaker 1: But it's also I don't know, it's all that's like
Speaker 1: a hard interaction to have. But it was interesting to
Speaker 1: see the fact that it's like, oh this for me,
Speaker 1: that was like more of a plot indication of like
Speaker 1: this is not his first assaulting women rodeo, I don't know. Also,
Speaker 1: I did like Harvey Kitel's character. Yeah, he's gunning for them.
Speaker 1: He was running for them, like in a positive way,
Speaker 1: trying to shoot them with a gun. He was just
Speaker 1: like trying them down, gun them them. It does make sense,
Speaker 1: It totally makes sense. But yeah, he was But you know,
Speaker 1: I appreciated that, and uh, I mean I had other
Speaker 1: stuff to say with this. Mike's for lemonade, with making
Speaker 1: so foggy everything, I just right where you want me,
Speaker 1: the warm dregs of like the cant and it was
Speaker 1: like so syrupy, an alcoholic I love, I loved every bit.
Speaker 1: My indie band is called The Warm Drags. The Warm Drags,
Speaker 1: The Warm Drag, The Worm Drags the Warm the Worm drags.
Speaker 1: You might be distracted by my tattoo, which is a worm.
Speaker 1: Are we having a third? Is that your second second?
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, I'm down for third
Speaker 1: about a third? Having a third? He's having a third?
Speaker 1: Never just took his top off Channing Tatum style. We're
Speaker 1: not even talking about that when he was. I don't
Speaker 1: know if all of us are all flavor girls, because
Speaker 1: I definitely am I Banks of the Los Angeles or whatever,
Speaker 1: like kind of like alter whatever. But do you guys
Speaker 1: feel I know we're talking about Elmolise will get right
Speaker 1: back to it. You know when you watch, uh, what's
Speaker 1: the movie Channing Tatum, are we all guilty of like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not normally into those kind of meathead guys, but like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, he's so hot. I mean, don't you
Speaker 1: feel like didn't you like get didn't you let me
Speaker 1: to him a bit? Sure? Oh my god, I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe me. I was so disappointed and exhilary. And that's
Speaker 1: not like the chiseled like Grecian. That's like, not my type,
Speaker 1: but what is your type? Beef? Oh my god, you
Speaker 1: guys were failing the betel Cash I ruined. It's me.
Speaker 1: I take okay, beefcakes and small men all the way.
Speaker 1: That's my emma eavecakes and small I like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: like frail pretty boys. You do. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: were like never in competition one of those girls. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I have like we're out of control, we're
Speaker 1: letting our hair down, just like so much fun. That's true.
Speaker 1: I love the cliff. If I drive off a cliff,
Speaker 1: I mean a guy named Cliff. And then oh, let's
Speaker 1: talk about let's talk about feminism. What's in the real ship?
Speaker 1: What's the movie film? I'm like losing the I'm losing
Speaker 1: the thread. What is it called losing the narrative? There's
Speaker 1: an Avril Levine lyric that it describes exactly what I'm
Speaker 1: feeling right now, but I can't remember it. Let's find it.
Speaker 1: It's do you know that song where he was a
Speaker 1: skater boy? No, I used to have I used to
Speaker 1: have a crush on the skater boy. Shout out to
Speaker 1: Stephen Masserni. If you want to fourteen, you got a skateboard.
Speaker 1: You're a sound kid. You got so tall. You got
Speaker 1: too tall for it. I got I got too tall
Speaker 1: for like everybody every room to christianize. We're bout the
Speaker 1: same time, you guys. It's true. We're both like six
Speaker 1: ft tall. Do you remember that website Post Secret? What
Speaker 1: Post Secret was there a book that was made like
Speaker 1: a coffee table book. It was a website. It was
Speaker 1: like really really really popular when I was in high school,
Speaker 1: and you would make a you would make a collage
Speaker 1: on a postcard and would say your secret on it
Speaker 1: and mail it to this guy and he'd put it
Speaker 1: on his really popular website. And one time I got
Speaker 1: my postcard onto Post Secret. But they're all anonymous, so
Speaker 1: you don't know. And it was about how I was
Speaker 1: five eleven but I had a crush on him boy
Speaker 1: who was five ft three, and I made this collage
Speaker 1: of like legs and then a really small boy and
Speaker 1: I sent it and they were like, this is a
Speaker 1: great secret. Oh my god, he needs to know. We
Speaker 1: should call him. He's still alive. He might be dealing
Speaker 1: heroin with my cousin. He was so cute and two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven though, and it's like, I wish we
Speaker 1: could make it work. I mean, we are derailed and
Speaker 1: I will just SI setting the doorway back to Caitlin.
Speaker 1: But I'm listening to um. Candice Bergen's Candy Bergen for
Speaker 1: those in the now, but her autobiography about her love,
Speaker 1: affair and marriage to louis like he made a who Made?
Speaker 1: Who Made? My Dinner? With Andrea? About to other movies? Okay,
Speaker 1: their love stories incredible. Googled photos because I was like,
Speaker 1: to know what the people look like. We're experiencing a
Speaker 1: better love than I might ever have. Uh, and she's
Speaker 1: way taller than him and it's kind of inspiring. Daniel
Speaker 1: Radcliffe and his girlfriend too. Sometimes I look a pic
Speaker 1: of them and I'm like, you know what, it's possible.
Speaker 1: What were you gonna say? I would like, get out,
Speaker 1: get the fun out, I love. I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about the like the really gross Perverty truck driver who
Speaker 1: they encounter a few different times. So well, first of all,
Speaker 1: I think the first time they encounter him, he said
Speaker 1: something like I'm your muff driver, I'm your Stormtrooper of love.
Speaker 1: And I just want to say that if someone said
Speaker 1: that to me, I'd be like swoon someone might like
Speaker 1: just like it was just Star Wars reference as a
Speaker 1: pickup line on me, It would work, is all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm just getting a feel for what the bar is here.
Speaker 1: It is low, and but then like, and then they
Speaker 1: encounter him a couple more times in the third time
Speaker 1: Rule of threes. Guys love it. They're like, pull over,
Speaker 1: let's do this, and then they yell at him for
Speaker 1: being gross and disgusting, and then they blow the ship
Speaker 1: out of his truck in a huge explosion. It is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite scenes of any movie ever. Can
Speaker 1: we talk about how this is the third movie we've
Speaker 1: discussed on this podcast that Stephen Tobolowski is the guy
Speaker 1: who plays Ned Ryerson. He plays He plays Ned Ryerson
Speaker 1: in all the movies and every single movie, always in character.
Speaker 1: He's so Harvey Kitel was like, I want to go
Speaker 1: help these girls, and he's just like, I'm Ned Ryerson.
Speaker 1: It's a great scene. Hey, I have a relevant comment.
Speaker 1: I haven't had one in about thirty minutes, so I
Speaker 1: feel like I'll have one. Okay, variation on apologies from women.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry, I'm not sorry. The cool One of
Speaker 1: the cool things about this movie all Susans Randon burning
Speaker 1: brow shitt aside is that, uh, this movie seems to
Speaker 1: really activate for, for lack of a better word, like
Speaker 1: a lot of pro women activism for Susan Srandon and
Speaker 1: especially Gina Davis, who has since started the Gina Davis
Speaker 1: Institute on Gender and Media, which is like this really
Speaker 1: cool organization that does a lot of studies about how
Speaker 1: women are represent I mean, it's like perfect for us
Speaker 1: to talk about. And there's a great thing from last year.
Speaker 1: I've got some stats for you here, the stats from
Speaker 1: the Gina Davis Institute on Gender and Media. For everyone
Speaker 1: female speaking character, there are three male characters. Women only
Speaker 1: make up about seventeen percent of people shown in crowds
Speaker 1: and live action and animated movies, and just about seven
Speaker 1: percent of directors, about of writers, and about of producers
Speaker 1: are female. This is a statistic, unfortunately from last year.
Speaker 1: Not so. It is very cool that this movie seemed
Speaker 1: to really resonate with the people involved with it as
Speaker 1: well as the people who saw it. I've made it
Speaker 1: a life's mission to have everyone I know see this movie.
Speaker 1: People like what do you want for your birthday? And
Speaker 1: I'll be like, watch them on the Week. By the way,
Speaker 1: does Gina Davis produced movies? Does she have a production company?
Speaker 1: Because she should if she's I've found out about her
Speaker 1: and what you're talking about. When I saw Misrepresentation, which
Speaker 1: every person should watching it, I feel like it's on Netflix.
Speaker 1: It was on Netflix, but you can find it just
Speaker 1: google it. The only thing that bothered me about that
Speaker 1: documentary is that it it places a lot of emphasis
Speaker 1: on the movie. Twilight is like being good example of
Speaker 1: like I didn't even realize that first. I mean not
Speaker 1: a ton, but like the fact that it acknowledges it
Speaker 1: at all is a movie that should be like, oh, look,
Speaker 1: how I mean it was directed by a woman, but
Speaker 1: that movie is garbage and that character is garbage. Um.
Speaker 1: But apart that, it's like you set that aside and
Speaker 1: just watch the rest of it. Um. It is a
Speaker 1: very good documentary. Check out Misrepresentation. Misrepresentation Linda Ops. Did
Speaker 1: you have you read her book? She wrote a book
Speaker 1: called Hello he Lied. She's like a like an old
Speaker 1: school badass producer woman producer, and she I was working
Speaker 1: at something with her and she was like, Twilight, you
Speaker 1: don't understand she's in this dysfunctional It's like early options
Speaker 1: were choosing these two men, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I had no idea. They're
Speaker 1: so cute. The point in because my my mom Classic jail,
Speaker 1: she owned the box out of the Twilight books and
Speaker 1: was like, Jamie, you've got to read these. They're so romantic.
Speaker 1: And I did enjoy some of them. But you reach
Speaker 1: a point in the where asl is straight up did
Speaker 1: he get out of his handcuffs? We cuffed him to
Speaker 1: the um. But there is a point in the in
Speaker 1: the Twilight Books where the girl was her named Bella.
Speaker 1: She is broken up with by Edward Cullen, and then
Speaker 1: there's a whole chapter that is just empty pages to
Speaker 1: represent Now you read the books. I read the books,
Speaker 1: and there's empty pages to represent how she felt, which
Speaker 1: is nothing. Oh my months, three months. I need to
Speaker 1: make this movie that I wrote that I forced Caitlin
Speaker 1: to listen to the story about we gotta find Janet Davis.
Speaker 1: She better have my I cannot believe I didn't even
Speaker 1: realize they were empty pages in a book and there
Speaker 1: to indicate three months of a young girl. I mean,
Speaker 1: but the funny thing is heartbreak is real. Heartbreak is real.
Speaker 1: But it's like you also go to school. You don't
Speaker 1: process it by just having complete emptyess. I throw myself
Speaker 1: into my work. That's how I, you know, take my
Speaker 1: shame and my sadness and I put it into something.
Speaker 1: After after my first breakup, I really threw myself into
Speaker 1: the school play you did, which one for sure it was?
Speaker 1: I played Classic Women Party, I played assassy secretary, but
Speaker 1: like owned, you know the Susans. Randon said last year,
Speaker 1: after that one and Louise, they predicted there would be
Speaker 1: so many films about women, but it never happened. And
Speaker 1: I thought that was an interesting thing for her to say,
Speaker 1: because I would wonder. I mean, I don't know what
Speaker 1: the stats were on how well women were represented when
Speaker 1: this movie came out. Definitely not well, But I wonder
Speaker 1: how that compares to now? Where are they represented now?
Speaker 1: Noel in the seventies, eighties and nineties to have a
Speaker 1: better job of representing like fierce women, like between like
Speaker 1: Alien and even like pre production code movies from like
Speaker 1: the thirties, the women's movies pre production code are fucking on.
Speaker 1: What's production code? The production code, the Hayes production code,
Speaker 1: which was instilled between like four in like nineteen sixties seven,
Speaker 1: which basically was all about censorship. Hollywood basically couldn't release
Speaker 1: movies that had You couldn't have like an racial couples,
Speaker 1: You couldn't have anything like sexy on screen. You couldn't
Speaker 1: have uh, like overt violence. Any sexuality had to kind
Speaker 1: of be implied or suggested that you couldn't like have
Speaker 1: any sex on screens. Why, Like so many movies from
Speaker 1: like the fifties and forties are just like not that racy, like,
Speaker 1: and you don't see sex on screen until like the
Speaker 1: late sixties. Yeah, So it's basically just a way to
Speaker 1: censor movies. And then it was lifted in nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 1: I want to say that sounds about right. And then
Speaker 1: you see all the seventies wave of mail, but ours,
Speaker 1: who are you know? Show sex on screen sometimes while
Speaker 1: sometimes not either way, it's at least shown. There are
Speaker 1: like there are some movies I love older We never
Speaker 1: cover older movies. Oh my god. It's always like Jamie
Speaker 1: has never seen any movies but have but they're all
Speaker 1: just no one. Can we just when I come back
Speaker 1: in like a year or whenever you'll have me, can
Speaker 1: we all talk about an unmarried Woman, which is my favorite.
Speaker 1: Such a good have you seen that? Yeah? I know,
Speaker 1: we got to go back to someone. Oh my god, please,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you haven't have the guest, whoever the
Speaker 1: guests you want to be, I'm completely wasted for obviously
Speaker 1: clearly apologizing, but an unmarried Woman is one of my
Speaker 1: favorite movies. And then I also love Broken English and Swingers,
Speaker 1: but like first and foremost for women's sake, I think
Speaker 1: an unmarried Woman just you guys watch it, talk about
Speaker 1: it with whoever you want. I'm available, but whatever. A
Speaker 1: great next Spectel Cast, a few older movies that I
Speaker 1: would recommend before we do get back to talking about them,
Speaker 1: and Louise like, I've become like the weird podcasts Nazi.
Speaker 1: Someone has to do it because you're fucking with it together.
Speaker 1: But two ways that I absolutely love. The first one
Speaker 1: I need to rewatch, but I am not convinced that
Speaker 1: it passes the Bechtel Cast, which is the Bechtel test.
Speaker 1: We're also very very the Whole World at Um The
Speaker 1: the Women, which came out in nine, which literally, if
Speaker 1: I'm remembering correctly, there is never a man in the movie.
Speaker 1: It's so good and it's if there is a man.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's very brief, but this movie I do
Speaker 1: not think passes the Backtel test because they're talking about
Speaker 1: men the whole time, because they're arguing about men the
Speaker 1: whole time. But it is directed by George q. Core
Speaker 1: who was considered the women's director of the time, and
Speaker 1: he did make a lot of great movies with powerful
Speaker 1: female protagonists. It's also an early Joan Crawford movie. It's
Speaker 1: really good. And then the other one that I watched
Speaker 1: recently is Gaslight, which is an interesting movie for um
Speaker 1: people who are either have been in an abusive relationships
Speaker 1: or interested in learning where the term gaslight comes from,
Speaker 1: because it literally comes from this movie. It was like
Speaker 1: a play first, and then it was a British movie
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty, American movie in nineteen four with Ingrid Bergman,
Speaker 1: but the British his version is really really good. And
Speaker 1: it's about this husband who slowly convinces his wife that
Speaker 1: she's crazy so he can get away with cheating on
Speaker 1: her and in classic nine style, stealing her jewels. Her
Speaker 1: jewels at the end like he's like, I've been stealing
Speaker 1: your jewels the whole time, and she's like, I'm not crazy,
Speaker 1: but you've been stealing my jewels. Um. Yeah, speaking of
Speaker 1: abusive relationships podcast dictator um. Speaking of that type of
Speaker 1: relationship though. One of my other favorite scenes in this
Speaker 1: movie is when Louise is like, Thelma, you've gotta call
Speaker 1: Darryl see if he knows anything, because at this point
Speaker 1: they suspect that the police might be onto them because
Speaker 1: they've committed several crimes. And she's like, if he acts weird,
Speaker 1: if he does something like, hang up right away because
Speaker 1: it means the police note. So Thelma calls, She's like, hey,
Speaker 1: it's the Alma and Les Tilma hello, and she hangs
Speaker 1: up immediately. She knows he would never answer the phone
Speaker 1: like that under normal circumstances because he's such a bastard.
Speaker 1: And it is just the Instagram is I've never felt
Speaker 1: as good in my whole life. I'm still listening. I
Speaker 1: don't need therapy. I have a podcast. Let's get a
Speaker 1: let's get a T shirt. I want to make a
Speaker 1: T shirt so bad, but the podcast of anything, of
Speaker 1: anything I want. That's why I keep buying all my friends.
Speaker 1: I'm wearing my friend Gina Winn Brent's t shirt. We're
Speaker 1: talking at pre pod but everyone, everyone check out. Gina
Speaker 1: win Wrench wrote this amazing book called Someone Plays Has
Speaker 1: Sex with Me and also buy her T shirts because
Speaker 1: she's very She's like so talented and she's in Chicago
Speaker 1: and it's like, my friend, I can't see you. Does
Speaker 1: anyone have any final thoughts about the movie? Um, if
Speaker 1: you haven't seen this movie, please see this movie. Like,
Speaker 1: so we've spoiled everything, but we've still see it anyway,
Speaker 1: But like, watching the dynamics between these characters unfold really
Speaker 1: is a master class not in justin like movie writing,
Speaker 1: because I remember when I was in film school, like
Speaker 1: they film school too, sort of. I technically majored in radio,
Speaker 1: but I took a lot of film class. Hey, you're
Speaker 1: living your dream right now. You have a podcast. We
Speaker 1: all are friends. Now you're gonna give me notes on
Speaker 1: my script and you are too. You're gonna do that
Speaker 1: professional you do. Yeah, oh my god, can you see
Speaker 1: the biggest mistake of your life? Let me have your
Speaker 1: email address and letting me cut your arm. I'm very expensive.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I've gotten I know. I Actually I'm pretty reasonable.
Speaker 1: I've compared to other people might provide similar services. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I can't afford it. We'll talk any amount
Speaker 1: of money afford it. I'm just gonna finish my third
Speaker 1: free micro limit God and invite you one of my
Speaker 1: podcast for this. I'll try to fenable something out of you. Okay,
Speaker 1: pointing to Jamie, But I'm sorry, what's going on? So
Speaker 1: any final thoughts? This movie is great? Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: was told. I was told, like even when I was
Speaker 1: in film school, to read the screenplay to this movie
Speaker 1: just because it's such a great exercise and like story structure. Um,
Speaker 1: so all your story heads out there, story heads, shout
Speaker 1: out to my story heads. Story I have a big
Speaker 1: story head following. So to all my story heads, read
Speaker 1: this movie and see this movie just because it portrays
Speaker 1: women in a way that is not skewed or insane.
Speaker 1: And you know, like these characters are making drastic choices,
Speaker 1: but they're all very grounded and you don't see that
Speaker 1: a lot. Everyone see this movie. To that, I would
Speaker 1: like to add that women are so rarely written well,
Speaker 1: or at least written interestingly, because we have different times.
Speaker 1: We've discussed a movie where like a one woman character
Speaker 1: is a badass, like Trinity from the matrix, but she's
Speaker 1: not necessarily like a kick. Yeah, she can's my favorite
Speaker 1: it's my favorite coat, and she's cool, and she might
Speaker 1: have some quippy lines of dialogue, but she doesn't really
Speaker 1: feel like a real person, like these two women feel
Speaker 1: like real women. It's just so refreshing to see that
Speaker 1: on screen. Uh. And sometimes, you know, I don't mind
Speaker 1: it if a character is just like I wear cool
Speaker 1: sunglasses and I punch people and I have a cool
Speaker 1: line of dialogue. It depends on the genre. Like sometimes
Speaker 1: it's fine, but yeah, I just I just love this
Speaker 1: movie so much in regards to the only kicking female
Speaker 1: and a lot of action movies. I feel like I've
Speaker 1: said that a couple different times, like a kick. Uh.
Speaker 1: And that is completely lifted from this really good McSweeney's
Speaker 1: article that everyone should read, called as the token female
Speaker 1: member of this action adventure team, my job is to
Speaker 1: kick and it's by writer name Julianna Gray. It is
Speaker 1: so fucking funny. It's star arts. I wear black leather pants,
Speaker 1: I wear spike healed boots. When I kick, I pivot
Speaker 1: like a goth ballerina and drive a heel into a
Speaker 1: villain's face. It is every token female action hero and
Speaker 1: it's so good, so read it. I would just like
Speaker 1: to say, Caitlin, I apologize for not respecting you accepting
Speaker 1: money for your services because you're a woman and a
Speaker 1: human being and you provide a service, and the fact
Speaker 1: that I'm trying to not pay for it, it's really
Speaker 1: fucked up. I just want to say that. Second of all,
Speaker 1: thank you for letting me be here, and thank you
Speaker 1: for coming and for you know, smucking up your podcast
Speaker 1: taking it down and not your twelve talking about boys.
Speaker 1: Haven't We are very highbrow, you know, and I ruined
Speaker 1: it today. But I will get better. Okay, it's a
Speaker 1: working projects. Another thing that I would like to say
Speaker 1: is Thelma and Louise made me want to go on
Speaker 1: a road trip with the best We'll get a best friend, Okay,
Speaker 1: go find a car that could manage to drive and
Speaker 1: going to road trip. Fucking murder, misogynist, rapist mainly have
Speaker 1: sex with somebody like bred Pitt and then let drive
Speaker 1: off a cliff and kill myself. That's like, that's how
Speaker 1: moved I was. And now knowing that they're the misrepresentation
Speaker 1: of women in film is like so intense and heightened
Speaker 1: makes me want to, like even more inspired to make
Speaker 1: the movie that I just wrote and fucking find Tina
Speaker 1: Davis and like make a movie that's like the modern
Speaker 1: There are not enough Elm and Louise. Is now more
Speaker 1: Felm and Louise, So I'm inspired. Here's another thing with this.
Speaker 1: Doing this podcast today made me feel I have to
Speaker 1: share my feelings sloppy and sloppy and tipsy styles and
Speaker 1: by the way, therapy. I have lots of things I
Speaker 1: want to be doing and aspire to in my life.
Speaker 1: But then I realized the joy I experience just sitting
Speaker 1: here with you ladies and being in the moment talking
Speaker 1: about stuff and living my gosh star in life. This
Speaker 1: made me realize what life is all about, just having
Speaker 1: fun time by meeting new girls, like drinking my star.
Speaker 1: Somebody talked about feelings or whatever. Okay, you're welcome. That
Speaker 1: was beautiful. I will never be back. Okay, let me
Speaker 1: come back sometimes. Yes, anytime I'm feeling really good right now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be operated. That's so high. But we
Speaker 1: can read my clibit article about it. Probably episode comes out. Sorry,
Speaker 1: this is how I make my living. Okay, no, no, me,
Speaker 1: I got a babory thing. I get it. I have
Speaker 1: to overcharge for script analysis, I get it. It's complicated anyway, Alexei,
Speaker 1: it has been the biggest pleasure to have you here best.
Speaker 1: Is there anything you would like to plug or where
Speaker 1: can people find you online? I just want to say
Speaker 1: I love both of you. You're both many friends. I
Speaker 1: want to invite you to be on my podcast. It's
Speaker 1: called Love Alexei on nurdiced Aristotle is also my producer,
Speaker 1: and hey, I'll see you on the other side. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, there is another end to this rainbow. Oh
Speaker 1: can we just all assume we gave this five nipples? Right?
Speaker 1: We have to does the movie past the Bectel test obviously,
Speaker 1: pretty much any scene where Thelma and Louise are together.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they do talk about Darryl and how he's a
Speaker 1: piece of it. Sometimes to talk about Jimmy and how
Speaker 1: he also kind of sucks. They also objectified j D
Speaker 1: quite a bit, But most of their conversations are about
Speaker 1: their plans on how they're going to handle the situation
Speaker 1: they're in, the trip that they're going to take before
Speaker 1: everything goes to ship, et cetera. What what was happening Jamie.
Speaker 1: I just I'm sorry. First of all, I'm drunk. Second
Speaker 1: of all, I just got so close to the mic
Speaker 1: on accident, like I might like that I smelled it
Speaker 1: smell bad. No, it smells kind of good. It smells
Speaker 1: like people's thoughts. O good. But I got so close
Speaker 1: that my nostrils resting on the mic and then I inhaled,
Speaker 1: like deeply quick, pitch, real quick before we throw about
Speaker 1: the Caitlin. What if a whole movie happened inside a
Speaker 1: woman's head when she's overthinking and she's like, what did
Speaker 1: it all mean? When even take me that? I think
Speaker 1: this is what happened on you, because now you have
Speaker 1: well on this plane bad all right? It would be
Speaker 1: kind to the back to test, no question about it. Um.
Speaker 1: We rate the movie on a god. How do you talk? Nipples? Yes,
Speaker 1: I give the movie five nipples. Nipples, Alexei, would you
Speaker 1: like to write on our nipples nipples? Fifteen nipples? I
Speaker 1: love when we have fifteen nipples in the room, Thelma
Speaker 1: and Louise super movie, Very well done, we love it.
Speaker 1: Let's for good twelve back of Mike's Hard Every Time. Yes,
Speaker 1: listen to Alexei's podcast Love Alexei. Listen to our podcast,
Speaker 1: The becktel Cast. You can find us online on Twitter
Speaker 1: at becktel Cast. You can email us at the becktel
Speaker 1: Cast at gmail. Now we do. We forgot that we
Speaker 1: had an email account, and then we like the emails.
Speaker 1: We've got emails from fans. Oh, everyone's complaining about our emails, right,
Speaker 1: it's a scandal. Yes, please emails. We will. It might
Speaker 1: take us some time to write back, but we stopped
Speaker 1: talking about our damn emails. Everyone. Just man, don't drive
Speaker 1: off a cliff. No, stay on the edge of that
Speaker 1: cliff and just fucking went on the edge. Live on
Speaker 1: the edge of the cliff, and then grab your best
Speaker 1: friend and give her a little kiss on the forehead. Yes,
Speaker 1: all right, I think that'll do it, okay. By By