Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast. It's loose on one, titos
Speaker 1: and soda. Welcome to another edition of the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansus, and I'm joined
Speaker 1: in a room build with heroes Mark Sessler, Chris Wesling,
Speaker 1: and Greg Roseltal. What is up, boys, Hey Dan, it's
Speaker 1: good to be back in the United States of America,
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, greeting us with some degree fahrenheit. Forget that
Speaker 1: Celsius garbage weather. Oh yeah, a little bit of a
Speaker 1: statement I thought by the weather. Take by Greg that
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm just saying. L A was like, hey,
Speaker 1: remember me, remember how beautiful? It was a statement. It
Speaker 1: was a statement game by the weather because the weather
Speaker 1: usually is seasonably warm, uh is seasonably warm in LA
Speaker 1: this time of year. But they made sure it wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna be one of those weird overcast l A days.
Speaker 1: When we came back after a day of a week
Speaker 1: of six in raining, it's like, hey, welcome back, boys,
Speaker 1: don't fly away to you know anytime. So I like
Speaker 1: the rain and like the trench coats and the umbrellas
Speaker 1: as a as a changeup, just not as kind of
Speaker 1: the permanent, but sit. Other than the meteorological elements of
Speaker 1: that trip, it was an amazing trip up to England
Speaker 1: again and the chance to catch up with all our
Speaker 1: fans out there, and the live show was a huge hit.
Speaker 1: I got to meet so many people, and um, everything
Speaker 1: really was great. It was a great trip, Mark, Mark,
Speaker 1: you're gonna talk what's up. I'm just absorbing the incredible
Speaker 1: content and information that you've been, you know, providing about
Speaker 1: the weather in Los Angeles for the first eight minutes
Speaker 1: of this show. But the trip was amazing, and I
Speaker 1: keep thinking, you do that thing where like if the
Speaker 1: week ago was your vacation, you keep thinking, oh, it's
Speaker 1: Wednesday morning, where was I on Wednesday morning in London time?
Speaker 1: But then you have to add eight hours and I
Speaker 1: couldn't figure out any of these equations. I don't know,
Speaker 1: It's just went by like a dream. I think the
Speaker 1: highlight for me, like the quote of the week was
Speaker 1: right after we finished the live show on Friday and
Speaker 1: we came off stage to thunderous applause. Mark pulled me
Speaker 1: aside and he goes, Dan, pinch me. This is too perfect.
Speaker 1: That is not you know, I'm not even an interfere
Speaker 1: Like please believe that. That's how I approached You had
Speaker 1: me until the too perfect part. It's like the fourth
Speaker 1: live thing we had in London. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: then he lost. Um. I just actually wanted you to
Speaker 1: pinch me, but you refused. You know, back in my
Speaker 1: mailman days, when I desperately need an escape, before the
Speaker 1: proliferation of the Internet, I had this idea of virtual
Speaker 1: reality tours of like great cities and locations around the world.
Speaker 1: You know, Anthony Bourdain came along and did that much
Speaker 1: better than I have. You got on your corner before
Speaker 1: you can get there. But you know, having the NFL
Speaker 1: pay for us to go travel to great cities is
Speaker 1: kind of cool. And if you think about it, podcasts
Speaker 1: function and kind of the same way as virtual reality tours. Anyway,
Speaker 1: not everybody can cover the NFL, but they can come
Speaker 1: along for the ride when we do. And we see
Speaker 1: that a lot at the live show. Are you saying
Speaker 1: what I think you're saying? What's up? European Tour two
Speaker 1: thousand twenty, Well, put West alright, big show today, So yeah,
Speaker 1: we're bad. We got we got a day. Usually, as
Speaker 1: you know it is, you're a regular, if you're a
Speaker 1: regular listener. The show usually drops on the Tuesday, but
Speaker 1: we needed that uh you know, as they say, a
Speaker 1: buzzy phrase in in this center, in this decade that's
Speaker 1: coming to a close, a mental health day was necessary,
Speaker 1: which we got. And I think we're all uh feeling
Speaker 1: and looking better. So let's get to it. Because the
Speaker 1: NFL soap opera, it did not slow down while we
Speaker 1: were gonne. In fact, a lot of huge plot lines.
Speaker 1: We have trades to get to. We have a trade
Speaker 1: deadline that's coming up in a couple of weeks um.
Speaker 1: And with the big trades with Jacksonville and and the
Speaker 1: Rams and and what could come in the days and
Speaker 1: weeks ahead, how about this seg trade scenarios that could
Speaker 1: come to fruition, like you know, like real trade uh
Speaker 1: situations that could pop up. And then if we all
Speaker 1: you have to do is nail one. And we were geniuses,
Speaker 1: so we will go twice each. I thought this segment
Speaker 1: was called Trade Scenarios that Aren't stupid clickbait by and
Speaker 1: four Idiots that that is the full name of the
Speaker 1: seg uh. And that's true too, because this isn't this
Speaker 1: isn't gonna be like you know, send Dak Prescott to
Speaker 1: tighten the Titans for fourteen first round picks. Now, these
Speaker 1: are things that could could conceivably happen in the National
Speaker 1: Football League, you know. And it's it's a temptation when
Speaker 1: we do these segments to come up with scenarios that
Speaker 1: are literally white hot fire, and you know, don't necessarily
Speaker 1: make the trades that happen outside. A couple of the
Speaker 1: big names are rather methodical, so maybe some of these
Speaker 1: will low octane and less interesting. But correct is that
Speaker 1: a preview of yours. I'm just saying I tried to
Speaker 1: approach this very robotically this time, because I think the
Speaker 1: usually these instructions, these instructions are an in house you know,
Speaker 1: directive for me not to come up with something that
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. It's mostly directed at you. You're like,
Speaker 1: all right, can we not include something that like includes
Speaker 1: dr chowies, And so I have I have followed your
Speaker 1: directions to a t I would have called the directions.
Speaker 1: But if that's how you, uh, you know, heard them
Speaker 1: or felt them, that's fine too. That is how I
Speaker 1: heard them and felt them, all right. And also the
Speaker 1: Thursday night football preview a great, great game. I think
Speaker 1: uh an a f C West battle between two two
Speaker 1: teams going in different directions right now. But before that, yes,
Speaker 1: I mentioned trades, so let's hit the news. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's asunami a trade tsunami that is. And now you
Speaker 1: you you cannot get that sound drop for your own
Speaker 1: like that is not something that's downloadable. But perhaps if
Speaker 1: we can monetize it, we will let you get frag's
Speaker 1: uh you know making that statement again? You can have that.
Speaker 1: Do you want to hear it again? I would like,
Speaker 1: all right, let's listen to it again. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: a trade? WHOA? How about that? Actually get a job?
Speaker 1: Like as the audible voice just got a window into
Speaker 1: Dan's mind. He has been listening to that by himself
Speaker 1: many times. WHOA, all right, let's get to it. Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey got his wish. He was traded on Tuesday to
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams. Of course he was the Jags
Speaker 1: getting two first round picks in two thousand twenty as
Speaker 1: well as a fourth round pick in The Jags confirmed
Speaker 1: this trade. Uh and now Ramsey joins l A a
Speaker 1: team trying to find itself, find itself right now and
Speaker 1: in the um day. Hours before this trade went down.
Speaker 1: We found out that a keep to lead their veteran
Speaker 1: corner was set to I R. And Marcus Peters, who
Speaker 1: once upon a time was added to be the big
Speaker 1: missing piece filler for the Rams, had been traded to
Speaker 1: the Ravens for fifty cents on the dollar. Well, now
Speaker 1: here comes Ramsey to save the day, Wes. Well, that's
Speaker 1: the plan. They think that he's a defense a team
Speaker 1: changing kind of player. This is the most competition, most
Speaker 1: compensation sorry for a defensive back in history. According to
Speaker 1: Pro Football Journal, this is the highest anyone's ever paid
Speaker 1: for a defensive back, way more than the Bucks ever
Speaker 1: gave up for Darrell revs Uh. Since thirty three years ago,
Speaker 1: only about a dozen guys have been traded for at
Speaker 1: least two two for round picks. So he's in rare
Speaker 1: company here. And I think the way I look at
Speaker 1: this is the Rams don't think about their future the
Speaker 1: way say the Jaguars do, or the Bengals do, or
Speaker 1: the Redskins do. They think about their future the way
Speaker 1: the Yankees, Real Madrid, Manchester United think about their franchise.
Speaker 1: They want to be the number one Brandon Sports. Right now,
Speaker 1: they're tied with the Red Sox for twelve in the
Speaker 1: world according to Forbes, and with that stadium opening with
Speaker 1: the number one Brandon Sports, it means they're operating at
Speaker 1: a much higher level than than any of the other
Speaker 1: NFL teams except for the Cowboys. Not trust this, Forbes
Speaker 1: not sense? Okay, I mean, well, you can use someone
Speaker 1: else to get his point. With that stadium, they think
Speaker 1: they can do it. The stadium, the market. You know,
Speaker 1: they're willing to give up their draft picks and they
Speaker 1: don't have a first round pick until uh, they'll end
Speaker 1: up giving up five first round draft picks in a row,
Speaker 1: five years in a row. Does anybody else like that's crazy?
Speaker 1: Because everything everything we've learned about team building UM over
Speaker 1: the years that we've worked here together or just as
Speaker 1: an NFL fan, is that a big part of building
Speaker 1: a real sustainable enterprise is through the draft, through the
Speaker 1: young players UM, and the salaries that aren't overly bloated
Speaker 1: that come with a young player out of the draft.
Speaker 1: So completely mark remove that from the blueprint here. It
Speaker 1: feels like you're you're flirting with disaster. Well, so I
Speaker 1: can think it's it's a move toward the insanea to
Speaker 1: toward the insane. But they can prove me completely wrong
Speaker 1: by winning a Super Bowl title this year because they
Speaker 1: must feel themselves to be in that realm, not that
Speaker 1: they're you know, logically super far removed from it. But
Speaker 1: I'm not sure this is even a better team than
Speaker 1: it was a year ago. I don't think it is.
Speaker 1: I think they've got distinct depth issues. Their offensive line
Speaker 1: is a mess. Todd Gurley is a big question mark
Speaker 1: and the biggest cornerbacked trades that I can remember, because
Speaker 1: I don't really put Revas into this when he went
Speaker 1: to the b because you sent him to Tampa into
Speaker 1: the total nether world. Was when, you know, mid nineties,
Speaker 1: when Dion Sanders flipped a loop between the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: Niners in operated as a last piece of the puzzle
Speaker 1: that brought both teams a world championship. This is a
Speaker 1: last piece of the puzzle type move on paper, and
Speaker 1: I don't think that they're a piece away. You look
Speaker 1: what else has happened to their secondary in the last
Speaker 1: twenty four hours, and I'm just not sure the Rams
Speaker 1: are that much better of a team right now than
Speaker 1: they were a day ago. Maybe I'm completely wrong about this.
Speaker 1: It's through it's it hit me as a little bit
Speaker 1: too much of a cost. That's to Johnny Johnson. Their
Speaker 1: safety also moved to I R, so three fourths of
Speaker 1: their secondary forty hours ago no longer connect well to
Speaker 1: was you know, not good this year? It was a
Speaker 1: blow average starter Troy Hill, for what it's worth, is
Speaker 1: played a little better when he's been in there. John
Speaker 1: Johnson is a huge loss. The fact, well, they put
Speaker 1: Taylor Rapp into the starting lineup now too, so that
Speaker 1: could end up being you know, who knows what that could.
Speaker 1: John Johns is a good player and you're losing him
Speaker 1: off a team that is already shortened. But the fact
Speaker 1: they knew about that when they made this trade tells
Speaker 1: me it's not for this year. They know they're not
Speaker 1: as good a team as they were a year ago.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're blind to that. I think they're
Speaker 1: certainly hopeful that they could be a much better team
Speaker 1: by the end of this year, that they can figure
Speaker 1: out ways to improve. It's only six games here, but
Speaker 1: the analysis on this trade that's you know, flaw max
Speaker 1: me the most is that this is some sort of win. Now,
Speaker 1: this is it. They're putting all their chips in the
Speaker 1: middle of the table. That's what everyone said a year
Speaker 1: ago about them too, And they do have a ton
Speaker 1: of changes coming up on their defense. But he's under
Speaker 1: contract through next year at a very you know, relatively
Speaker 1: cheap rate, so he's in their team next year. They
Speaker 1: have the franchise tag after that, and you of course
Speaker 1: do not make this deal without the expressed plan whether
Speaker 1: it happens or not to sign Jalen Ramsey long term.
Speaker 1: I mean, they just aren't gonna make it. And Ramsey
Speaker 1: and his first commends since the trade says he plans
Speaker 1: to be there, you know, forever and ever. They're going
Speaker 1: by the logic that it's easy to get picks, and
Speaker 1: this does run counter to basically everything we've talked about
Speaker 1: and seen for a long time, which in my mind
Speaker 1: makes it seem interesting and maybe valuable. You always want
Speaker 1: to zig when the rest of the league is zagging.
Speaker 1: Good difference making players are a lot harder to find
Speaker 1: than first round picks. First round pick everyone gets those.
Speaker 1: Not many people can get game changing players like Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald and Jalen Ramsey. I guess you know. Part of
Speaker 1: the question, it's is Ramsey that sort of player that's
Speaker 1: maybe the biggest gamble of of this entire deal. It's
Speaker 1: not just a narrative, uh Mike silver Per a organizational
Speaker 1: decision making with the Rams, the quote is we're swinging
Speaker 1: for the fences. We're in it to win it. That
Speaker 1: tells me it's for this year and the future, but
Speaker 1: but it's for both. I think you can do both
Speaker 1: at the same time. Always like the weird thing that
Speaker 1: it's like a choice. They're planning to be competitive and
Speaker 1: good every single season, Like that's the plan that they
Speaker 1: when they traded for Sammy Watkins. That felt like a
Speaker 1: short term thing, but then you get the compensed story
Speaker 1: pick back and that was a deal that went terribly.
Speaker 1: They're operating very differently in terms of their team building.
Speaker 1: There is certainly risk to it, but I think they're
Speaker 1: looking at like, if you can have five or six
Speaker 1: core huge difference makers, we can figure out the rest
Speaker 1: around him. The problem, you know, the bigger problem is
Speaker 1: is Jared Goff that sort of player and and certainly
Speaker 1: I think Todd Gurley is not that sort of player. Right,
Speaker 1: Their eyes are wide open. I think they realize it's
Speaker 1: a risk, but they look at it like even if
Speaker 1: there's only like, say, a ten percent chance of us
Speaker 1: becoming Super Bowl champions. Look what if we managed to
Speaker 1: nail that drive drive through the eye of the needle.
Speaker 1: Look what our franchise will be coming if you do that.
Speaker 1: And you have to give yourself that opportunity. If it's
Speaker 1: a chance, if they win a Super Bowl, any questions
Speaker 1: surrounding this deal melt away because it's going to include
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey probably dancing around the field as they're up
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter and will look great. My my concern,
Speaker 1: whether it's a win this year or win over the
Speaker 1: next two years type thing, is that. But there is
Speaker 1: another way. It's not just that only the bold team
Speaker 1: ship away first round picks and operate to ignore the
Speaker 1: draft because you've got a lot of money tied up
Speaker 1: in Jared Goff, You've got a lot of money tied
Speaker 1: up in Todd Gurley. I think those questions about both
Speaker 1: of those players. In general, I think that it's very
Speaker 1: fair to critique this. If the Rams come out of
Speaker 1: this season uh losing a wild card game and head
Speaker 1: into the off season with with no first round draft picks.
Speaker 1: Over the next few years, there's different ways to build teams.
Speaker 1: This is a distinctive departure from the norm and trade.
Speaker 1: Tsunamis are fine, too much, Tsunami is too much Tsunami.
Speaker 1: Now to the Jaguar side of things, starting with a
Speaker 1: missive from the Executive Vice President the Football Operations tomf
Speaker 1: given the situation with Jalen, we made this decision based
Speaker 1: on what we thought is in the best interest of
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars for this season and well into the future.
Speaker 1: We feel the trade that we struck with the Rams
Speaker 1: gives us great value for the next two drafts, and
Speaker 1: we remained very confident that our team today will compete
Speaker 1: this season for a division title. Jalen was our productive player,
Speaker 1: but the time came to move on, and we wish
Speaker 1: him and his family the best in Los Angeles. UM.
Speaker 1: I've made myself exceedingly clear on on the Jalen Ramsey
Speaker 1: situation that I found it distasteful, distasteful and um ugly
Speaker 1: that he sat out these past three games, and I
Speaker 1: thought it said a lot about him. UM, and good
Speaker 1: luck to the Rams, and hopefully he stays happy with
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. So the same thing is gonna happen to
Speaker 1: you one day. UM. But he is out of the
Speaker 1: building and you have to I thought one of the
Speaker 1: downsides in additioning to abandoning your teammates like Jalen Ramsey
Speaker 1: did um was that you may kneecap the Jags in
Speaker 1: terms of trade value. But that's not what happened here. Obviously,
Speaker 1: this is they are. They are nicely set up now
Speaker 1: to kind of figure out what comes next for this franchise.
Speaker 1: So while you don't want to ever take out a
Speaker 1: gifted uh cornerback in his mid twenties, at least they
Speaker 1: didn't end up in a situation where they're getting fifty
Speaker 1: cents on the dollar. It was pretty good value all
Speaker 1: things considered. I think good owner worked by Shad Khan
Speaker 1: that he stepped in sounds like according to Charles Robinson Yahoo,
Speaker 1: he didn't really want to trade Ramsey. That I think
Speaker 1: the front office, you know, according to the reporter, and
Speaker 1: you can kind of read between the lines, Coughlin and
Speaker 1: Ramsey had a dust up. They had something that happened
Speaker 1: between them that immediately afterwards, Ramsey asked for the trade
Speaker 1: and they were never able to bridge that gap. Con
Speaker 1: was trying to have it both ways, where he was
Speaker 1: trying to get them back together. He was trying to
Speaker 1: keep Ramsey as part of the organization. And while I
Speaker 1: think some teams thought initially and and there are reports
Speaker 1: out there who it was the Eagles of the Saints
Speaker 1: that the Bears maybe that Ramsey was gonna get traded
Speaker 1: pretty quickly, Con kind of stepped in said slow, slow,
Speaker 1: your role, we don't want to do this. And what
Speaker 1: ended up happening over the last couple of weeks is
Speaker 1: the price tag went way up because the Rams specifically
Speaker 1: got more either desperate or just willing to make a
Speaker 1: big time deal to the point where you kind of
Speaker 1: have to say yes, because what are we doing here?
Speaker 1: Cohn was in this position where I think he was
Speaker 1: feeling like he had to choose between Tom Coughlin uh
Speaker 1: and and his player, and I don't think he necessarily
Speaker 1: even made that choice. But his statement was really interesting today.
Speaker 1: Shod Con said that the Jaguars are doing just fine today.
Speaker 1: I give kudos to our football staff not only for
Speaker 1: managing this matter blah blah blah. Credit also goes to
Speaker 1: our players for their professional approach during this situation. It
Speaker 1: did not go unnoticed. Now it's time to turn attention again.
Speaker 1: What's most important the Jaguars. Now that sounds good, but
Speaker 1: you've got a strange set situation right now. And and
Speaker 1: I'll shut up in a second that the front office
Speaker 1: maybe wanted one thing. You have a coach who's maybe
Speaker 1: out there who knows what he wants. Then you have
Speaker 1: a GM who doesn't really seem to be in control
Speaker 1: that David Caldwell. And then you have con who I
Speaker 1: think is a good owner overall. But there's a lot
Speaker 1: of things going on. And I thought Doug Maron's comments
Speaker 1: today in his press conference, we're really telling when he
Speaker 1: was asked about the trade. I just wish I can
Speaker 1: give you the insight and the answers that that that
Speaker 1: that that question needs to be answered. I don't have
Speaker 1: that so um and I wish we can get someone
Speaker 1: up here that can can answer, motioning to the side
Speaker 1: of the room to his PR director. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Jeane, it's me. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I I really you don't you don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't know until down the road transition and they
Speaker 1: don't tell me anything. He sounds like every uncle that
Speaker 1: was ever at a family barbecue when I was growing up.
Speaker 1: I think they're treating him when they said I'm not involved,
Speaker 1: They're treating him like an uncle at the partment. Why
Speaker 1: do I have to answer for stuff I don't want
Speaker 1: to do or not involved in something else. I do
Speaker 1: think though, that like there are a lot of owners
Speaker 1: who are great at business outside of football, and they
Speaker 1: come in and they can't handle the football business at all.
Speaker 1: I don't feel that way about Shot Khan. So yes,
Speaker 1: Marcus Peters, as who said he gets traded to the
Speaker 1: Ravens um in exchange for linebacker Kenny Young, also a
Speaker 1: undisclosed draft pick. I think it's a fifth round pick. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So Peters gets a fresh start with Baltimore. Seems like
Speaker 1: a very uh Baltimorean trade. Chris Wesley, Well, the Ravens
Speaker 1: are a defense in flux right now. They signed a
Speaker 1: pair of inside linebackers off the street, l J. Fort
Speaker 1: and Josh Bines, who immediately went into their starting lineup
Speaker 1: and their starters were benched. Now their secondary is getting
Speaker 1: the same treatment. Jimmy Smith finally returned from his m
Speaker 1: c L injury to practice this week. You throw Marcus
Speaker 1: Peters in there, Tony Jefferson, their safety out from the year. Uh,
Speaker 1: they've got a lot of flux right there on their defense,
Speaker 1: so they are doing the same thing the Rams are
Speaker 1: kind of doing, like starting over in week seven on
Speaker 1: your defense as far as making huge changes. That Peters
Speaker 1: is playing pretty well this year. That's the strange thing
Speaker 1: about this trade. We here he's not a great tackler,
Speaker 1: but I think he was playing fairly well. It's funny
Speaker 1: because everyone is so excited about the Peters to leave
Speaker 1: combo didn't really work out. Then again, you think about
Speaker 1: it and it's like, you know, they held the Patriots
Speaker 1: the thirteen points in the Super Bowl. They their defense
Speaker 1: had a super Bowl winning performance, and then everyone would
Speaker 1: have said that those moves were fine. Their cornerbacks were
Speaker 1: terrible last year. I wouldn't say they were terrible till
Speaker 1: he was fine. Um. You if you read about this also,
Speaker 1: you're hearing that the Rams are sick of Markus Peters too.
Speaker 1: Potentially the scenes it was two days ago, Shaun, they
Speaker 1: absolutely wanted to resign him. This is a football issue,
Speaker 1: not a character issue. You know less need said even today,
Speaker 1: like when I told Marcus Peters about this, no athlete
Speaker 1: could have handled it better. He was classy. Um. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a character thing. Freelancing on the football
Speaker 1: field as a football issue not a character thing. So
Speaker 1: I think I don't want to I don't want our
Speaker 1: podcast to go out there and say this guy was
Speaker 1: a handful for the Rams to deal with, because we're
Speaker 1: not hearing that. And I think he fits what the
Speaker 1: Ravens like to do. They want to be able to
Speaker 1: get a little more creative upfront by letting their corners
Speaker 1: cover man to man, which is certainly you know the
Speaker 1: way Peters roles instead of playing zone. I mean that's
Speaker 1: a question about Ramsey. Two. I just I want to
Speaker 1: see Jalen Ramsey kind of be the best corner in
Speaker 1: the league. I think he's only been at that level
Speaker 1: for Spurts, you know what I mean. And and so
Speaker 1: we'll see it like for one whole season. Sure, but
Speaker 1: that wasn't you know, that was a couple of seasons ago.
Speaker 1: And so I think it's a great move for the Ravens.
Speaker 1: I mean, they traded a guy they Kenny Young was
Speaker 1: just a throw and he had been benched for three
Speaker 1: straight weeks. Well, Rams decided they wanted to pay Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey rather than Marcus Peters. One more trade here. The
Speaker 1: Browns um give up on Austin Corbett, the offensive liignment
Speaker 1: that they took thirty three overall uh in the two
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen draft. They send him to the Rams. So
Speaker 1: the Rams to make another deal for a fifth round
Speaker 1: draft pick in Mark Corbett. When he came aboard, that's
Speaker 1: obviously that's essentially almost the first round pick there, but
Speaker 1: they decided quite quickly I guess that he wasn't the
Speaker 1: answer for them. Well, that second round also brought Nick Chubb,
Speaker 1: who has been a raging success. But that is a
Speaker 1: John Dorsey swinging a miss and a totally totally acknowledging
Speaker 1: it by moving on him. They tried everything they tried,
Speaker 1: putting him at every position to the point where he
Speaker 1: was considered to be the future left tackle. They thought
Speaker 1: he might be able to take over the center position
Speaker 1: from j. C. Treader, who then they need to resign.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the Rams uh. You know, they
Speaker 1: probably think we can turn them around and fix it,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna get stuck having new deal lower picks
Speaker 1: or work on guys that are the teams are passing on.
Speaker 1: I think directly relates to their lack of higher picks
Speaker 1: in the draft, because how are you going to replace
Speaker 1: Andrew Whitworth, who's not going to be there probably after
Speaker 1: this season, or probably shouldn't be. You're not gonna do
Speaker 1: it with a fourth round pick or a fifth round pick.
Speaker 1: That is where I do get concerned about the high
Speaker 1: bounty of places. There's only certain places you can get
Speaker 1: a left tackle right, and that there's no solution that
Speaker 1: seems apparent for this year's offensive line. I mean, Austin
Speaker 1: Corbett certainly, isn't it. They might as well take a swing,
Speaker 1: but it's like there's no obvious way for them to
Speaker 1: fix it. Uh and other Browns. Has this happened right
Speaker 1: before we came upstairs? Myles Garrett tweeted out, I'll read
Speaker 1: the tweet word for word. Here a quote fan closed
Speaker 1: quote hopped out of his car to take a picture
Speaker 1: with me and then punched me in my face. Put
Speaker 1: your legs into it might actually made me flinch. Thumbs up.
Speaker 1: Now this I'm kind of fascinated by this because Miles
Speaker 1: Garrett is the most arguably, of course, but I believe
Speaker 1: the most physically imposing player in football. When you see
Speaker 1: if you remember hard knocks. Just him walking around with
Speaker 1: his shirt off, he seems super human. I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean his size and his strength and his build. He
Speaker 1: would be the last guy you would ever try to
Speaker 1: sucker punch. And then there's all you know, now what,
Speaker 1: who would do such a thing? Mark? Do you know
Speaker 1: the person who did this? Let's start there. No, of
Speaker 1: course not. But I mean, if if you're gonna go
Speaker 1: and play the sucker punching fan role, why go I
Speaker 1: didn't know there was I don't know this, I didn't
Speaker 1: know these it. But you don't want to nail some
Speaker 1: third round third string linebacker. Go for the height and
Speaker 1: go for his you know, go for the best target
Speaker 1: you kenn of moles Garrett, he just brushed it off
Speaker 1: entirely because I think he's made entirely out of iron
Speaker 1: and stone and can't be you know, knocked around by
Speaker 1: some Jabroni fan. But to me, a non story. No,
Speaker 1: that's an amazing story. It's not a great story, but
Speaker 1: that's a story. Get it together. Find the guy and
Speaker 1: lock him up, Find that dude him up, and you
Speaker 1: know what, not legal. By the way, I asked him
Speaker 1: about this, I want to know why you did it.
Speaker 1: I got a feeling maybe he was looking for money,
Speaker 1: he was trying to go the millionaire football player to
Speaker 1: knock him out, But that's just speculation. By Let's move on,
Speaker 1: very a little serious in the room right now. Let's
Speaker 1: listen up a little bit, punching above your weight. Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go, keep moving. The Titans will start Ryan
Speaker 1: Tannehill over Marcus Mariota against the Chargers. UM. That came
Speaker 1: from rap sheet Tom Pella Sarah on Tuesday Night. This comes,
Speaker 1: of course, after Mariota um struggled mightily against the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1: You couldn't lead the team past midfield before Tannehill came
Speaker 1: on and finished out that uh sixteen to nil defeat.
Speaker 1: So here comes Tannehill. I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: greg saw this as a possibility at some point in
Speaker 1: the season. Are you surprised that it happened in the
Speaker 1: middle of October? I'm very surprised. Not. I guess not
Speaker 1: as much after watching Mariota this season that happened, But
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have guessed that coming into the year because
Speaker 1: Tannehill has so many of the similar issues that Mariota does,
Speaker 1: which starts with kind of a lack of feel of
Speaker 1: the position and reading defenses and and getting rid of
Speaker 1: the ball quickly, making quick decisions. They're they're very similar players,
Speaker 1: both verily very athletic. Uh, I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine Tannehill saving them. Well. They both
Speaker 1: to use a phrase that Alec Mason or Buddy with
Speaker 1: Sky Sports, they both eat sacks. They just loved munch
Speaker 1: on sacks all day long. That's their style. And Mariota
Speaker 1: had gotten to the point where he can't drive the
Speaker 1: ball down the field or into tight windows. That was
Speaker 1: never a strength of his and it had gotten worse.
Speaker 1: The Titans by d v o A Football Outsiders Metric
Speaker 1: twenty nine, inefficiency twenty seven in past twenty six and
Speaker 1: run thirty two and pass blocking twenty seven and run
Speaker 1: blocking twenty nine, yards per drive twenty eight and drive
Speaker 1: success rate, they were miserable. They were down there with
Speaker 1: the Dolphins and Bengals and the Predarnald Jets as as
Speaker 1: the dregs of the lead. And you had to you
Speaker 1: had to change it up, you know. I was reminded
Speaker 1: someone found a tweet of mine from Thanksgiving time two
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen. Mariota was coming off an eight game
Speaker 1: stretch with a twenty one to three T D d
Speaker 1: I NT ratio and a one eight team passer rating.
Speaker 1: The Titans were averaging over thirty points a game during
Speaker 1: that eight game stretch. That ended up being sort of
Speaker 1: where the wave crested and then rolled back and washed
Speaker 1: away his Titans career. Yeah, I don't a few of
Speaker 1: the move as having really anything to do with Ryan Tannehill.
Speaker 1: I think it's just a team that probably could have
Speaker 1: benched Smart Mariotta last year and benched him for good,
Speaker 1: and they're done with him. He's gone, he won't be
Speaker 1: on the team next season, and it's probably a softer
Speaker 1: entree into that move by simply putting Tannehill in there earlier.
Speaker 1: I guess Mariotto probably start again just because they feel
Speaker 1: like their problems are so significant offensive is dead lasting
Speaker 1: pass blocking and their new play caller Arthur Smith hasn't
Speaker 1: done it. But here's the thing. Malarkey was the peak.
Speaker 1: He was peaked Titans. Everyone, including in this room myself,
Speaker 1: we had a lot of fun at old Mike Malarkey's expense,
Speaker 1: But you know what, it never got any better. That
Speaker 1: was actually the best the Titans ever were exotic smash
Speaker 1: mouth baby. There's a there's a discussion to be had,
Speaker 1: what would you rather have the first round pick, especially
Speaker 1: the you know, early first round, like Mariota was number
Speaker 1: two overall that flames out spectacularly, or and you know
Speaker 1: pretty quickly that he's not the answer, like a Paxton Lynch.
Speaker 1: Or is Mariota almost worse a guy that you essentially
Speaker 1: dedicated five years to, waited and waited and hoped and hoped,
Speaker 1: and now where are they? I mean, they're a host
Speaker 1: of nine and seven seasons, one playoff win, and now
Speaker 1: they're gonna essentially start over at the position. It's kind of,
Speaker 1: in a way, a worst case scenario. When it comes
Speaker 1: to building through the top of it. It's probably more
Speaker 1: off seasons of trying. You know, this this narrative role.
Speaker 1: You know, Mariota's put on weight and blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and he's looking strong and like it's the same thing
Speaker 1: with Winston. It's a half a decade under the river.
Speaker 1: It's a different room in hell. It's I don't know
Speaker 1: why it's not worse. It's somehow worse than the huge
Speaker 1: But the worst possible result is don't getting Tannehill. I
Speaker 1: mean Tannehill was seven seasons, right, or six seasons where
Speaker 1: you gave him a second contract because he kind of
Speaker 1: tricked you into it. In Borders was like that too.
Speaker 1: Could say Dalton too, but I don't like Dalton. At
Speaker 1: one point two thousand and fifteen they were Super Bowl
Speaker 1: said dum let's leave. I just think for the healthy
Speaker 1: your franchise, you're probably better off flaming out and then
Speaker 1: trying again, because unless you're actually right, you just need
Speaker 1: as men a perfect example, horrible, embarrassing, terrible, but very
Speaker 1: quickly they were able to regroup and then go get
Speaker 1: the guy that well all right. So you know, any
Speaker 1: if you're a fan base that's lived through both kind
Speaker 1: of failures, neither are pleasant, and there isn't a real
Speaker 1: way to measure one being a lot worse than the other.
Speaker 1: I don't think. But you want a front office that
Speaker 1: has eyes open, that says, we're three years into this,
Speaker 1: we could continue to sell people. Jamis Winston, He's gonna
Speaker 1: continue to have three and four and five interception games
Speaker 1: and then we'll give you a fiddling song dance all offseason.
Speaker 1: The coach X is gonna fix them. But a good.
Speaker 1: The better front officers say, we can self scout. He does,
Speaker 1: he's not working. We're three years into Mariotta cut bait.
Speaker 1: I don't think this is why they rammed why the
Speaker 1: Rams are trading away first round picks, But I think
Speaker 1: it was war and Sharp tweeted out the top five
Speaker 1: picks at quarterback in the last twenty five years. It's
Speaker 1: pretty low hit. It is less, it is less than half,
Speaker 1: and you know, and even the hits are you know,
Speaker 1: includes guys like Stafford. It's great, is like so tough.
Speaker 1: It's not that. Yeah, it's tough to evaluate your own
Speaker 1: quarterback when you can't extract his surrounding talent and the
Speaker 1: play color. And if you thought Ryan Tannehill replacing Marcus
Speaker 1: Mariotta ultimately didn't really matter, I got something for you
Speaker 1: even more down this path. Ryan Fitzpatrick will start for
Speaker 1: the Dolphins on Sunday against the Bill, sending Josh Rosen
Speaker 1: to the bench. This comes four days after uh Brian Floores,
Speaker 1: the Dolphins coach, said that Josh Rosen, the second year passer,
Speaker 1: will start for the rest of the season. He had
Speaker 1: to change of heart and a lot of it, I
Speaker 1: imagine had to do with Rosen's abysmal showing against the
Speaker 1: previously winless Redskins, where he went fifteen eighty five yards
Speaker 1: and two terrible interceptions. So it it's magic back in
Speaker 1: and I you know, it does show you the difference.
Speaker 1: Ryan Flores wants to win games, the Dolphins as an
Speaker 1: organization want to lose games, while the coach wins on
Speaker 1: this one because fitz Fitzpatrick absolutely gives them a better
Speaker 1: chance to win, I believe at this time, but still
Speaker 1: that what I mean, But it doesn't matter while the
Speaker 1: Dolphins are irrelevant, and also there's only so much anyone
Speaker 1: could do, especially thirty six year old Ryan Fitzpatrick. Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: always gives you a better chance to win until a
Speaker 1: game or two later when you come to the conclusion
Speaker 1: that he doesn't give you a better chance that Josh
Speaker 1: Rosen will come and then Josh Rosen will come back.
Speaker 1: The most exciting thing that happened about the Dolphins today
Speaker 1: was their beat writer, uh for I think it's the
Speaker 1: Florida Sentinel. Sophie Dean sent out a great hit of
Speaker 1: Brian Flores knocking the teeth out of Frank Gore in
Speaker 1: a college football game, forcing a fumble that was a
Speaker 1: line back playing college football. I don't know what year
Speaker 1: it was. It whatever, whatever year it is, Flora's said
Speaker 1: some pop and I was excited to see it. Um, alright,
Speaker 1: two thousand three is correct? Al right, West, buck up.
Speaker 1: The NFL Competition Committee, uh, their chairman Rich McKay told
Speaker 1: reporters on Tuesday, it's too early in the season to
Speaker 1: make a declaration on the effectiveness on replay review of
Speaker 1: offensive and defensive past interference. West. I know you want
Speaker 1: to hear from Mr McKay, don't you know, Well, you
Speaker 1: gotta hear from it. Anyway, I don't think ian that
Speaker 1: that we would give indimation on whether a rule has
Speaker 1: been in place actually does friends or not working. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, let's let's let the season play out. Just
Speaker 1: like in use of helmet last year, we waited till
Speaker 1: the it was a new rule. We waited to the
Speaker 1: end of the year. We went back and examined all
Speaker 1: of it. We definitely looked at the officiating of it,
Speaker 1: we looked at the teaching of it, and I think
Speaker 1: we've gotten ourselves in a pretty good place. Chris Well,
Speaker 1: it's like listening to Vince big Man. I mean, why
Speaker 1: would I believe any of this. I think new listeners
Speaker 1: might be surprised because I grumble a lot about the rules.
Speaker 1: Check the archives of the first few years we had
Speaker 1: this podcast, and I said every time football is so
Speaker 1: much better than the other sports when it comes to
Speaker 1: the competition committee making the game entertaining, progressing the game.
Speaker 1: I used to say that all the time, and now
Speaker 1: they can't get out of their own way, and it's
Speaker 1: this competition committee. Look, this idea that we have to
Speaker 1: wait till the end of the year to know this
Speaker 1: is a debacle is crazy. So what's your goal? So
Speaker 1: that by playoff time we're gonna have a totally different
Speaker 1: role than the one that's been called all year, that
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna know what passers. All these guys have been
Speaker 1: told you have to mug someone at the catch in
Speaker 1: order for it to be called. It only matters if
Speaker 1: it happens in January. That can't be a goal. It's
Speaker 1: it's not a goal. It's like when the catch role
Speaker 1: was in place, and we kept hearing this boogeyman of fumbles.
Speaker 1: Oh no, we can't change the catch role because then
Speaker 1: there'll be so many fumbles. Wait, we had the similar
Speaker 1: catch le ten years before that, and fumbles weren't an issue.
Speaker 1: There's always some boogeyman now that they got to tell
Speaker 1: us about. It's a credibility issue. It's a waste of
Speaker 1: time issue. You cannot show something on a t V
Speaker 1: screen and then tell people you didn't see that. That's
Speaker 1: I mean, well said. Moving on, the Patriots made a
Speaker 1: roster move. They suspended veteran defensive lineman Michael Bennett for
Speaker 1: their Monday night game against the New York Jets. Why
Speaker 1: it was contract conduct detrimental to the team. He did,
Speaker 1: he was not a practice on Tuesday. Uh. He did
Speaker 1: issue a statement to ESPN regarding the one week band
Speaker 1: um on Friday. I had a philosophical disagreement with my
Speaker 1: position coach that has led to my suspension. I apologize
Speaker 1: to my teammates for any distraction this may have cost.
Speaker 1: He played eleven sacks against the Giants, of eleven snaps
Speaker 1: against the Giants, fourteen snaps against the Redskins, so it
Speaker 1: doesn't have the role he wants. But I'm just really
Speaker 1: taken by how the Patriots even turned Michael Bennett into
Speaker 1: a robot. I mean that from that's Michael Bennett Stephen
Speaker 1: that that's what we got. A Michael Bennett after he
Speaker 1: gets suspended, really wants to win that Super Bowl. They
Speaker 1: turned him into a robot. Well, not on the field.
Speaker 1: That's that's what Michael Bennett sounds like. Now, Mark, that's
Speaker 1: what he sounds like. Celer I mean, I knew a
Speaker 1: sound bit was coming, so I was interrupt tough crowd,
Speaker 1: What what do we think about this? I, uh, well,
Speaker 1: it's not a robot on the field. I think the
Speaker 1: defense is different than they ever imagined. They played four
Speaker 1: men uh defensive line almost half the snaps last year.
Speaker 1: This year they play a four man defensive line virtually
Speaker 1: no snaps. It's a three or four defense where they're
Speaker 1: asking the defensive lineman to occupy blockers. That's not really
Speaker 1: what Michael Bennett does or necessarily wants to do, probably,
Speaker 1: and so he's not really playing. I mean, a guy
Speaker 1: like Adam Butler is playing way more than Michael Bennett.
Speaker 1: I think they'll find a way to use him eventually
Speaker 1: because that's just what they do, or he'll be chopped
Speaker 1: unless I mean I would love if he could come
Speaker 1: in and maybe the Eagles could use him, you know,
Speaker 1: in his normal role. I do wonder and there's been
Speaker 1: speculation in New England like what do you have a
Speaker 1: decent trade market that you get anything for Michael Bennett.
Speaker 1: You would think the Eagles would be like, come on,
Speaker 1: give it to me, We'll give you. Uh. I don't
Speaker 1: know how many teams has Michael benneben on now. I
Speaker 1: feel like it changes teams like three times a year
Speaker 1: x Seahawks. Ever since he you know, generated his slight
Speaker 1: towards you with the Super Bowl, Dan, It's it's been
Speaker 1: He's been a journeyman. Almost forgot about that, think about
Speaker 1: that all together. Uh. Finally in the news, brock Oswidler
Speaker 1: announced his retirement. I'm extremely grateful for the time I
Speaker 1: did receive playing in the National Football League, you said
Speaker 1: an interview with nine News. Uh. He hangs up his cleats,
Speaker 1: having earned forty one point three million dollars over seven seasons.
Speaker 1: I'd retire to what more is to be accomplished? I mean, Bill,
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien's pulled off a lot of career kind of
Speaker 1: resuscitations or just like hanging, you know, walking that high
Speaker 1: wire act and keeping it all going, surviving the brock
Speaker 1: Eiswiller fiasco to get to the point he is now
Speaker 1: where he could make those Tonsil trades and everything else
Speaker 1: that's actually looking great this year. Is was his greatest
Speaker 1: feat because relywoold Bury lesser men signed signed him to
Speaker 1: that big contract. But they were able to move him
Speaker 1: out of town quickly Browns, and very quickly, Yes, was
Speaker 1: able to diagnose, oh we botches, I botches. Let's go
Speaker 1: get a young player who just so happened to be
Speaker 1: de Shaun Watson. And by the way, as bad as
Speaker 1: John Elway has been since the Super Bowl, he got
Speaker 1: bailed out of that because he offered Ostwaller a ton
Speaker 1: of money to stay in Denver. So we could this
Speaker 1: elway messy post Super Bowl fifty legacy could even be
Speaker 1: worse right now, but he got bailed out there. It's
Speaker 1: a good point. People also thought that that the way
Speaker 1: that the Browns traded Frostweiler to absorb a big, big
Speaker 1: chunk of salary cap away from the Texans and get
Speaker 1: a pick, that that would be the way of the future.
Speaker 1: How many teams have done that since? Well, right, they
Speaker 1: got Austin Corbett for the trouble right one of those,
Speaker 1: but who knows, I don't know which pick it actually
Speaker 1: turned out there are no ass Wilders in the future,
Speaker 1: so it can't be away that is what it's happening
Speaker 1: in the news. All right, let's uh, let's get to it.
Speaker 1: Trade scenarios that aren't stupid clickbait bying for idiots. So
Speaker 1: throw one out there. Uh, we got to hear who
Speaker 1: the players involves. I'd like to know the terms as
Speaker 1: well to really decide whether or not this is a
Speaker 1: a feasible trade. All right, I'll throw out one before
Speaker 1: someone else throws out of Nick Foles. Smart. Smart, Now
Speaker 1: you want to get in front of an exercise like
Speaker 1: this so you don't lose one of you. This one
Speaker 1: makes so much sense. Now, this Thursday's game, which we'll
Speaker 1: get to in a second, could have an effect on
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos. But let's say they lose this game,
Speaker 1: and let's say they're thinking about next year. I think
Speaker 1: they could trade a couple of veterans over to the
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars and get the quarterback they wanted all along
Speaker 1: and Nick Foles, Chris Harris, Derrick Wolfe and a third
Speaker 1: round pick for Nick Foles. Now that almost sounds like
Speaker 1: a lot lot that's way too much Wolf is all
Speaker 1: Wilson Harris is a better player than Nick Foles. Here
Speaker 1: you get here, listen to this, Chris Harris and Derek
Speaker 1: Wolfer in the last year of their contract. It's just
Speaker 1: for this year. Is just to make the Jaguars better.
Speaker 1: This year. Wolf didn't look like his career would necessarily
Speaker 1: be continuing maybe that long way, at least the way
Speaker 1: he was playing earlier. So that's just again another guy
Speaker 1: on his contract year that you're just taking a swing
Speaker 1: at and a third round pick. Considering the price of
Speaker 1: quarterbacks including you know, Nick Foles and and other trades,
Speaker 1: I actually think that's pretty reasonable. You're you're basically getting
Speaker 1: rid of two guys you want to get rid of anyways,
Speaker 1: and you're trading a mid round pick, and suddenly you
Speaker 1: have your starter, uh for late this season and then
Speaker 1: into next season at a very reasonable price. Everyone's half away.
Speaker 1: I'm doing that if on the Broncos, really, no way,
Speaker 1: Why would I believe better than than having Flacco and
Speaker 1: Drew lock My yeah, My concern would be just what
Speaker 1: is what is Nick Foles as a sixteen game start?
Speaker 1: At this point, there's just too much evidence that durabilities
Speaker 1: an issue and his stretches of play that's last beyond
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, three or four games away. If he's done
Speaker 1: any he hasn't done anything right at quarterback, you gotta
Speaker 1: keep taking swings until you get one. But costing the
Speaker 1: third round pick Chris Harris Derik Woof and the possibility
Speaker 1: of the two guys are giveaways. I mean, they're going
Speaker 1: to give him away to someone, but you're also giving
Speaker 1: up ten games of your season, right I I'm assuming
Speaker 1: they're gonna lose Thursday night and that they're not gonna
Speaker 1: they're not gonna be a factor. Uh two weeks from now,
Speaker 1: they might be two and six. And it's always dangerous
Speaker 1: bringing this up in this room, but so, but that
Speaker 1: would also then be turning over the franchise to Gardner
Speaker 1: Minshew after four games. No, I like, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: come at you about that, because I think you need to.
Speaker 1: You need to be sure about Gardner Minshew because the
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about the first round quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: flame out, There's been just as many stories of guys
Speaker 1: that turn it on for six or seven weeks then
Speaker 1: they're totally exposed. And so I'm not saying I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that's what I think me too is But it
Speaker 1: would be a big leap to Folds, who you had
Speaker 1: coveted for a long time. You you give him the deal,
Speaker 1: you get him on the first day of free agency,
Speaker 1: and because he gets hurt and the this unknown comes
Speaker 1: in and lights it up, you make the move. Right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be concerned about the sample size of Nick
Speaker 1: Foles as a starter. Well, we should definitely be about
Speaker 1: a rookie who has been exciting but been in there
Speaker 1: for a month plus. Alright, not bad, right, not bad
Speaker 1: at all? A little click baby, but yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't get too upset. Anything with Fools is going
Speaker 1: to be click baby. All right, Um, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm feeling generous. I'm gonna stay out of the way here.
Speaker 1: I want to hear more from you guys. We well,
Speaker 1: we talked about that the norm you what is the
Speaker 1: norm around the league? And what we talked about zigging
Speaker 1: when everyone else is zagging well over pain and swinging
Speaker 1: for the fench is worrying about the future later is
Speaker 1: the new norm? The Rams, the Texans, the Steelers with
Speaker 1: Mica fit Patrick, Chiefs with Frank Clark, Bears with Khalil
Speaker 1: Mack Saints with Marcus to have import forty Niners with
Speaker 1: d Ford, and I've got the Trent Williams to the
Speaker 1: Browns thing. There's some smoke here. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's any fire, but there's definitely some smoke with John Dorsey,
Speaker 1: Brown's GM saying he's had a few conversations with Redskins
Speaker 1: GM Bruce Allen, but it takes two to tango. Canton
Speaker 1: Repository reported that Trent Williams should be on the Browns
Speaker 1: roster quite soon. Seems like more of a rumor than
Speaker 1: than anything else. But um, there does appear to be
Speaker 1: smoke here, and I think the Browns would have to overpay.
Speaker 1: We're in a seller's market and right now you have
Speaker 1: Bruce Allen running the football side of one of the
Speaker 1: most valuable franchises in the NFL. And instead of mining
Speaker 1: that thirty one year old with major dirty durability issues
Speaker 1: and no intention of ever playing for your team for
Speaker 1: a bounty of draft picks to rebuild your opting for spite,
Speaker 1: you're just saying, I'm waiting, I'm not gonna I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna trade him, but let's get him benefit of down
Speaker 1: and saying he's simply holding out for a godfather deal
Speaker 1: in an obvious seller's market. What about a first, third,
Speaker 1: and fifth round pick for Trent Williams. Browns have an
Speaker 1: extra mid round pick for Duke Johnson and another fifth
Speaker 1: for White Teller trade, so they've got some extra pick.
Speaker 1: This one actually reminds me a little bit the Amari
Speaker 1: Cooper trade. The need is for a number one wide
Speaker 1: receiver and there's only one available. Now the need is
Speaker 1: for a left tackle. There's only one available. You have
Speaker 1: to overpay if you want him. The reason I do
Speaker 1: it if I'm Cleveland, whether you like the cost or not,
Speaker 1: is that the problem isn't going away. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to go into the off season where probably he's the
Speaker 1: number one tradeable target still if that's what the Redskins
Speaker 1: are saying they want to do, or you have to
Speaker 1: hope that you hit on a left tackle in the draft,
Speaker 1: which has been a dodgy proposition for teams too. We
Speaker 1: know he's good, you're you get him this season and
Speaker 1: you get him into the future. And he's not a
Speaker 1: young left tackle. It's not Laramie Tunsel. So the sooner
Speaker 1: the better, And if you're the Redskins. You're gonna get
Speaker 1: more now, I think than you would six months from
Speaker 1: now in the off season, and resume from the brown
Speaker 1: side of it. He's gonna want to become the highest
Speaker 1: paid left tackle in the league, right otherwise he's going
Speaker 1: to be his upside. I know there was a medical
Speaker 1: stuff with Washington. I don't think this is about money.
Speaker 1: It's always about money. Everything's about I think Washington he
Speaker 1: feels burned by the way. That's a big part of this.
Speaker 1: He wasn't looking for a new deal. He doesn't. He
Speaker 1: doesn't want to play for the Redskins if he gets traded.
Speaker 1: You don't think he's gonna be looking for a new contract.
Speaker 1: But then you give him a new deal because it's work.
Speaker 1: The assumption, which I guess could be flawed, that Trent
Speaker 1: Williams wouldn't want a new deal um to replace his
Speaker 1: current one. You have O'Dell Beckham, one of the highest
Speaker 1: paid wide receivers in the league. Baker Mayfield on a
Speaker 1: rookie deal but won't be forever, and we'll get one
Speaker 1: Mondo money, Nick Chubb. You already have Miles Garret, who's
Speaker 1: gonna need big money. You have Denzel Ward, who's gonna
Speaker 1: need big money. I guess the one thing you get
Speaker 1: in trouble with potentially and bring in a veteran left
Speaker 1: tackle is you don't want to be top heavy team.
Speaker 1: We've talked about that on the on this podcast, but
Speaker 1: the name you mentioned makes it they should pay for
Speaker 1: Trent Williams now because Baker Ward and Chubb Well also,
Speaker 1: we can't we can't like talk about the Rams being
Speaker 1: at the forefront of team building by paying all right,
Speaker 1: I don't think they're paying five or six veterans exorbitant money.
Speaker 1: The Browns are talking about three or four people that
Speaker 1: aren't gonna get paid for the least two more. The
Speaker 1: sunset and all this is there's a new CBA coming
Speaker 1: one in theory, and I think the Rams are playing
Speaker 1: a little into that uncertainty. Where is this cap gonna go? Like?
Speaker 1: What what is that landscape gonna look like? In general?
Speaker 1: Who knows? Trent Williams is about as high risk Kyrieward
Speaker 1: as you can possibly have. He's not Laramie toun Soil.
Speaker 1: He missed. He didn't play that well last year. In
Speaker 1: the previous two seasons he played through a torn Patel
Speaker 1: attendant and then last season he missed time with thumb, knee,
Speaker 1: and rib injuries. He's also one of the great left tackles,
Speaker 1: the borderline Hall of Fame player. If he had been
Speaker 1: on a different franchise, maybe even with this franchise, so
Speaker 1: he could be a total win and it, but there's
Speaker 1: a ton of risk that comes with it. Mark, Alright,
Speaker 1: this one is this is guy someone I thought would
Speaker 1: have been traded before and he wasn't it smell Vin
Speaker 1: Gordon And here the reason I think you have a
Speaker 1: seller potentially in the Chargers' is because of the elongated holdout,
Speaker 1: because he's returned to the field and he's just not
Speaker 1: really a fit and he's not boosting the offense. You
Speaker 1: are you are already super deep at the position. If anything,
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon, and it's not his fault, has come back
Speaker 1: and reduced the value of Austin Ekeler and kind of
Speaker 1: the offense for the last couple of weeks where they're
Speaker 1: trying to shove him in there and give him increased carries.
Speaker 1: It just feels like you're carrying into all the wrong ideas. Here.
Speaker 1: I want to hear where you see him going, because
Speaker 1: well I kind of was racking my brain on that
Speaker 1: where Melvin Gordon makes sense. It's it's not it's not
Speaker 1: an immediate home run this minute. But the reason I
Speaker 1: think it would make sense is that you're the Buffalo
Speaker 1: Bills that are gonna need to run heavy team no
Speaker 1: matter what because of the quarterback you have. Frank Gore
Speaker 1: has been good this year, but after this season, frank
Speaker 1: Or will not be on the Bills. Devin Singletary is valuable,
Speaker 1: but behind him you've got nothing. So you'd have Melvin
Speaker 1: Gordon and Devin Singletary rolling into the off season, and
Speaker 1: I think you signed Melvin Gordon with not even worrying
Speaker 1: about it to a long term extension, and you have
Speaker 1: a backfield to battle against. I had bills for Melvin
Speaker 1: Gordon too. I like it look at that. I think
Speaker 1: Singletary is a guy, a core piece to build around.
Speaker 1: The problem is you haven't just you just haven't seen
Speaker 1: it too much. And if he be right, he should
Speaker 1: be paired. It's not a bad thing to pair him
Speaker 1: with someone anyhow. I don't like that for you know,
Speaker 1: franc Or anywhere. I don't think who was playing college right.
Speaker 1: I don't think Melvin Gordon is necessarily field ready at
Speaker 1: this point, so I don't think he has to go
Speaker 1: play thirty snaps for the Bills next week or something.
Speaker 1: I also didn't mention the terms, so they got him
Speaker 1: for nothing. I would like to know the terms. What well,
Speaker 1: I don't work you can. I don't think you can
Speaker 1: get a first round pick from Melvin Gourield. That's just me.
Speaker 1: I'm not great. I think second round pick, second round,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe even third and third and something else instead
Speaker 1: of a second. You know, I don't even think you
Speaker 1: can get a second. I'm not sure. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you can get a third. Third seems third feels
Speaker 1: like you could. You could have a high value. I mean,
Speaker 1: everyone's got a third for Tyrod Taylor, you got, you got,
Speaker 1: Devin whatever. If you're willing to pay a Gordon money
Speaker 1: to a third, and that's a lot mark. You really
Speaker 1: brought that in for the landing. Good job, thank you,
Speaker 1: nice player, nice team. Even the terms were pretty good. Also,
Speaker 1: a thirty five year old running back, it's reasonable to
Speaker 1: suspect that he may not be as strong in January
Speaker 1: as he was. Hey, I remember you honking about Frank
Speaker 1: gar being done about four years ago. He's still chucking
Speaker 1: breaking records. He's chucking and chucking records. All right, I
Speaker 1: will now go maybe I'll even snake it. Get a
Speaker 1: double on this one. All right? You have three touchdowns
Speaker 1: last week. Value will never be high or he still
Speaker 1: hates his quarterback and doesn't want to be in Minnesota
Speaker 1: Stefan dis uh And I think about who really it
Speaker 1: was a contender who really needs wide receiver help. It's
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers. Now do the Vikings want to
Speaker 1: trade one of their top one of their top um
Speaker 1: offensive assets to a division rival. Probably not. So this
Speaker 1: is more um yeah, maybe a little click baity, but
Speaker 1: also a logical fit because I think the Packers need
Speaker 1: help even with Davante Adams healthy, which he is not,
Speaker 1: and he might not be healthy all year. Well we'll see,
Speaker 1: turf tell it's not something you mess with. So the
Speaker 1: Packers might find themselves in a desperate situation where they
Speaker 1: really feel like they need to make a move. Because
Speaker 1: I will say that MVS. You know Jury is out there,
Speaker 1: but he hasn't come exploding out of the gates in
Speaker 1: his number two slash number one role with the Packers.
Speaker 1: That's fair Dog Groo Jonimo Allison, same thing. And he
Speaker 1: actually exited uh their last game with an injury, so
Speaker 1: he hasn't jumped off the page. I know the Lizard
Speaker 1: had a big, big catch. I didn't even know who
Speaker 1: that person was before Monday. I love the Aaron Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers stair to the sideline when Lazar caught the touchdown.
Speaker 1: Like see, I told you this guy could place. The
Speaker 1: Lizard can play. But you know we we they need
Speaker 1: contributions now so this offense does not stagnate. I mean,
Speaker 1: if we're not counting on Gardner minshew, we're not or
Speaker 1: should be be counting on Lizard. I am not. That
Speaker 1: would be a happy surprise if he ends up being
Speaker 1: their top wide out or a big contributor. So Stefon
Speaker 1: Diggs wants out, send him to the Packers, uh and see,
Speaker 1: sometimes you can get cute with the terms. Here. You
Speaker 1: send a second and a fourth to Minnesota and they
Speaker 1: send you Diggs in a fifth and everyone is happy.
Speaker 1: Why why would the Vikings be happy with hey Viking,
Speaker 1: Hey Packers come beat us this year in the division.
Speaker 1: Why would they be happy? Because Diggs is unhappy? And sometimes,
Speaker 1: as we learn in the NFL, you lose your agency
Speaker 1: as an organization. When a man doesn't feel good anymore,
Speaker 1: they have all the agency in the world. They control
Speaker 1: his rights. They this team is any team out there.
Speaker 1: The Vikings are in win now mode. I don't I
Speaker 1: just don't see them giving up Steffon. I think they're
Speaker 1: like they're also Jaguars that the Patriots, the Jets, and
Speaker 1: the Patriots are never the Raiders thought there win now mode.
Speaker 1: They're never trading to you. Guys got to catch up
Speaker 1: to the times. It's not about whether teams want to
Speaker 1: keep guys anymore. It's whether guys want to say, you
Speaker 1: gotta add a first round picking then something. Why Because
Speaker 1: Stefon Digs is the best receiver on that team, better
Speaker 1: than Adam Feeling, and he's one of the best in
Speaker 1: the NFL getting open. That's a hot take. He's a
Speaker 1: top twenty NFL receiver. You're not gonna trade him to
Speaker 1: your big division rival almost under any circumstance. I would say,
Speaker 1: I would say even if they were one and four,
Speaker 1: they probably wouldn't much less four and two. I just
Speaker 1: feel like, if you're going to give him away for
Speaker 1: that low cost, not that far after the Amari Cooper deal.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get targeted by your fans and others to
Speaker 1: track team that they're you're gonna they're gonna come all
Speaker 1: over that. I just I just think that. I just
Speaker 1: think that I wasn't wondering if anyone was gonna everyone
Speaker 1: did so. I just think you guys saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: at four and two they want to do it. Maybe
Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with that. This is the
Speaker 1: modern lance game of the NFL. It's really tell me
Speaker 1: a division rival that's just giving away really wants to
Speaker 1: no longer be on the vikings. He knows what he
Speaker 1: has to do to do it. It's different. Stefen Dicks
Speaker 1: just signed a five year deal or four year deal.
Speaker 1: I mean he just signed to re up with this team.
Speaker 1: James Brown just signed a deal with the Raiders. Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown is a crazy person. I stand by my trade
Speaker 1: and now I'll snake to another deal. The Eagles they're
Speaker 1: not going anywhere if they don't fix that secondary. Let's
Speaker 1: face it, that's been a problem all year and they
Speaker 1: couldn't even compete. Speaking of Stefan Diggs in Minnesota, they
Speaker 1: went to Minneapolis and couldn't even compete in that game.
Speaker 1: They just got roasted by Kirk Cousins. Uh in that game, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, giving up over three d yards and four touchdowns,
Speaker 1: and it's it's a recurring issue for them. They need
Speaker 1: help in that back end, and you know, the Eagles
Speaker 1: a team that's in the mix, even if they've been disappointing,
Speaker 1: you know, trade or how, he's gonna be busy. There's
Speaker 1: gonna be at least one Eagles trade before the deadline,
Speaker 1: maybe more so. I'm gonna just piece it together that
Speaker 1: they're gonna go get a cornerback and I'll throw out
Speaker 1: Gennaris Jenkins of the Giants, a veteran who's up and
Speaker 1: down as a player. But perhaps with Jim Schwartz on
Speaker 1: that defense, they say, hey, maybe we could you know,
Speaker 1: help this guy out build his uh improve his game
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, and maybe he's revitalized getting
Speaker 1: out of New York where it's been a pretty rough
Speaker 1: sledting since he got there. Pretty much he's got one
Speaker 1: more year left on his deal. Uh, he's you know,
Speaker 1: overpaid for what he's given the Giants, but it's not
Speaker 1: something that's gonna bring down the organization. If the Eagles
Speaker 1: can make it work financially. So Jennaris Jenkins, how about
Speaker 1: a fourth round pick to the Giants an exchange for Jenkins?
Speaker 1: I admire you because there it's aggressive. There, that's that's
Speaker 1: there's a statement, and so I mean it's aggressive to
Speaker 1: suggest two inside division trades back to back in the
Speaker 1: snake position in our draft. So I think he's in
Speaker 1: this job there. Yeah, I thought about the the same
Speaker 1: combination I had generous Jenkins going to the Seahawk because
Speaker 1: I don't think the Giants would help the the Eagles potentially, um,
Speaker 1: they'd let me get him off their books, though, I
Speaker 1: think they would be happy to dump him at this
Speaker 1: point and he would not be on the team. And
Speaker 1: that's why I don't think it would cost that much.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, he's not on the team next year.
Speaker 1: They might as well save the five six million dollars
Speaker 1: he's still owed this year. Uh, the Seahawks seemed like
Speaker 1: they would maybe take a crack at old Jack Rabbit,
Speaker 1: put him on the other side of Jack Griffin Jack
Speaker 1: Rabbit Jenkins. The Eagles did get good news today Jalen
Speaker 1: Mills and Ronald Darby. Who are there two best cornerbacks
Speaker 1: in a world where they're healthy, although they haven't been
Speaker 1: in a long time, returned to practice so that that
Speaker 1: could help them. Greg, excuse me, we're snaking, Mark, Well,
Speaker 1: I will make quick I'll make quick terminology on on
Speaker 1: your Eagles path because I had a lot of teams,
Speaker 1: a lot of players going to the Eagles, and I
Speaker 1: like the position to I think. I think Chris Harris
Speaker 1: to the Eagles is out there because he gets mentioned
Speaker 1: over and over and whispered about in these trade rumors
Speaker 1: and where is this coming from? Just thin air and
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's taking coming from the same guy
Speaker 1: who's selling cars out in Denver. That's what I think,
Speaker 1: well exactly, and I think that Chris Harris to the
Speaker 1: Eagles also, Eagles Broncos are not gonna toy with each
Speaker 1: other at all this season. There's no you know that
Speaker 1: it's an easier trade partner. And the Chris Harris is
Speaker 1: not long for Denver. I don't think so Eagles. But
Speaker 1: I think he's a much better player than Genorris Jenkins.
Speaker 1: So I think, I mean, there's a reason the reason
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here and not in a in a front
Speaker 1: office because the term the terms are always shaky but
Speaker 1: a third round pick for Chris Harris that feels like
Speaker 1: the Broncos didn't get ahold, Like your confidence falls off
Speaker 1: a table and it comes times for the because the
Speaker 1: terms are ridiculous to me. And most of these deals
Speaker 1: and I think they're often surprised. They're also shifting. People
Speaker 1: are paying way more now than I remember any time
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Compensatory pick is part of it is
Speaker 1: you're gonna get one if you Chris Harris leaves and
Speaker 1: you know the formula, you're expecting to get one for
Speaker 1: the formulas West you're up, Dan, would you take a
Speaker 1: second round pick for Leonard Williams? All Right, it's a deal.
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams to the packers for a second round pick.
Speaker 1: He he and Dean Lowry Book and Kenny Clark they're
Speaker 1: not gonna give. I'll tell you why I do because
Speaker 1: and I like Leonard Williams, even if he never became
Speaker 1: like the Warren Sap or whatever people always say about
Speaker 1: interior alignment when they get drafted high in the first round. Um,
Speaker 1: they're not going to give him a massive contract after
Speaker 1: the year. And somebody's gonna be willing to look at
Speaker 1: his potential and give him huge money and free agency,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna lose him, and then what would you get,
Speaker 1: Probably like a third round pick. So if you're offering
Speaker 1: me a second round pick, let's go to the Packers
Speaker 1: who sent him out of the conference. And you know
Speaker 1: that's a play better run defense last week, but run
Speaker 1: defense has been an issue. He could line up there's
Speaker 1: a three or four defensive end. That's where he belongs anyway.
Speaker 1: And they have Quinnin Williams there, of course, who they
Speaker 1: drafted in the first round this year. So I don't
Speaker 1: know why we're always trying to make the Packers better,
Speaker 1: but I like it. Yeah, and there's Mike Patton. He
Speaker 1: didn't cross over with Leonard Williams, right, You don't get that.
Speaker 1: Would have liked to think, Uh, yeah, it makes sense
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah it does sound you keep on hearing
Speaker 1: it in the among the Jets beat writers that they
Speaker 1: are going to make a move. I do wonder, though,
Speaker 1: what would happen Greg if, by some miracle they beat
Speaker 1: the Patriots on Monday Night, if that would change everything
Speaker 1: about their philosophy. You've heard Robby Anderson thrown up, thrown
Speaker 1: out there as a possibility. Leonard Williams is being bandied
Speaker 1: about constantly. Well, the shade deadline is is two games
Speaker 1: away for all these teams, so that's a lot more information.
Speaker 1: If the Broncos, for instance, win two games, they're probably
Speaker 1: not going to be looking to be as aggressive as
Speaker 1: if they're two and six. It makes a big difference
Speaker 1: than the Jets. I would throw into that camp. Generous
Speaker 1: was my second one. But I'll just throw out a
Speaker 1: player I think can help a team. How about Kenyan
Speaker 1: Drake to the Colts for a fifth rounder. I think
Speaker 1: Kenyan Drake could be a great extra weapon on an offense.
Speaker 1: Colts could use some more weapons, and I do not
Speaker 1: think it would cost much to get half a year
Speaker 1: a Kenyan Drake. I've got Kenyan Drake to the Jags
Speaker 1: for a fourth round pick because Leonard Fournette in the
Speaker 1: passing game turns around like sort of like a cruise
Speaker 1: ship in the Panama Canal. Wouldn't have to move like
Speaker 1: if you know you're moving from one Florida residency to
Speaker 1: like Owen Daniels in Week one, two thousand thirteen season,
Speaker 1: like Jason Wentton after his drop last week, Poor Jason
Speaker 1: still having a better year in made some place having
Speaker 1: a better year than Jimmy Graham is. He's come back player.
Speaker 1: Let's just say it. There now reports around the Packers
Speaker 1: with the headline Jimmy Graham not ready to lose snaps
Speaker 1: just yet. That's that's the kind of season that we're
Speaker 1: talking about with Jimmy Graham. Wait until Tanyan comes back. Alright, alright,
Speaker 1: good seg, good seg. Thursday Night Football coming up week seven.
Speaker 1: It's a freight train. And I understand if you're a
Speaker 1: fan of the Lions of the Packers, you feel like
Speaker 1: you got jobbed Monday Night Football. Uh, the way the
Speaker 1: timing fell with our podcast this week, I get it, don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, don't take a personal It's just a matter
Speaker 1: of timing. But when we hit the preview, the Thursday
Speaker 1: show preview, we will hit those teams hard and we'll
Speaker 1: touch on what happened to Monday Night. And yes, Lions fans,
Speaker 1: we know you know we're we're here for you this season.
Speaker 1: I think they like they have to have noticed an
Speaker 1: uptaken our interest in them and attention towards We were
Speaker 1: as furious as Kevin Patra about the officiating in that game.
Speaker 1: Well not me. I got a lock out of it.
Speaker 1: But everyone else deserves to be angry about those penalties.
Speaker 1: Somehow that got mentioned. I Uh, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: are nice words that we've said about the Lions will
Speaker 1: more than make up for their back to back gut
Speaker 1: wrenching losses. So now uh speaking of the a f
Speaker 1: C West, because we were speaking about that division earlier
Speaker 1: on today's podcast. The Kansas City Chiefs coming off back
Speaker 1: to back losses, both at home, by the way, sleep
Speaker 1: on that a little bit. It's one. It's one of
Speaker 1: the one thing to drop a couple of games on
Speaker 1: the road during a long season. But when you do
Speaker 1: a one two at home, now you gotta go on
Speaker 1: the road. Well, let's see how they respond to that.
Speaker 1: They go to Empower Field at Mile High West to
Speaker 1: face the Denver Broncos. Who it's it's it's interesting because
Speaker 1: the Chiefs they win for to start the season and
Speaker 1: lose two. The Broncos they lose four to start the season,
Speaker 1: and I win two. And this is a game West
Speaker 1: where we're gonna learn a lot about where the Chiefs
Speaker 1: are offensively because the Broncos defense has figured it out.
Speaker 1: Chiefs already ruled out Sammy Watkins, Kendall Fuller, their nickelback
Speaker 1: Chris Jones, their best defensive player uh and offensive left
Speaker 1: tackle Eric Fisher, left guard Andrew Whalley. They are extremely
Speaker 1: shorthanded and we're outplayed last week when they were shorthanded.
Speaker 1: Now they got to Denver where the defense just in
Speaker 1: the last two weeks has jumped from the late twenties
Speaker 1: to number eight in d v o A. They are
Speaker 1: now a top ten defense. Shout out, I'll do that. Well,
Speaker 1: it's too I think two dominant showings in a row.
Speaker 1: Um and then if you throw in the Jaguars game
Speaker 1: the week before, dominant for about two and a half
Speaker 1: quarters of that one as well. So you're you're playing
Speaker 1: at Denver defense that has transformed the last few weeks.
Speaker 1: Kareem Jackson playing at a very high level. Alexander Johnson,
Speaker 1: They're inside linebacker I talked about on Sunday's podcast has
Speaker 1: been one of the best inside linebackers in the league
Speaker 1: the last two weeks. Mike Purcell moves into the starting
Speaker 1: They've got a lot of changes on that defense and
Speaker 1: they're playing well. You hear it that that is you
Speaker 1: guys from West what's it's excited excited. It's coming back.
Speaker 1: They've got them, They've put them, They're they're going back
Speaker 1: up the row. Coach, I say that I can see
Speaker 1: that I was too high on them in the summer,
Speaker 1: but I think I think I have been on their
Speaker 1: pulse since the season started. I know what this Broncos
Speaker 1: team is, and a lot of people don't. Well this
Speaker 1: their season comes down to Thursday night. I mean it's
Speaker 1: over if they lose this game and they're two and
Speaker 1: five as far as I'm concerned. But you win, and uh,
Speaker 1: this is kind of a fork in the road game
Speaker 1: for the a f C West and they're one game
Speaker 1: out of the top spot in the division, and the
Speaker 1: Chiefs have all sorts of problems and you already have
Speaker 1: a win over the Chiefs. The Raiders are weirdly in
Speaker 1: the mix, and it's a totally different division. This is
Speaker 1: a type of game though, I think that great players,
Speaker 1: historic type of players, they just they go find a
Speaker 1: way to win it. Your team is banged up, You're
Speaker 1: you're facing a less talented Broncos team on the road,
Speaker 1: it's a short week. You just need Patrick Mahomes to
Speaker 1: go in there carry you get an ugly win, get
Speaker 1: out of town, Bury, the Broncos, Bury, the ball Tony Sobrano.
Speaker 1: We love Andy Reid's past happy tendencies like he's his
Speaker 1: new you know, he's an old coach, but everyone's supposedly
Speaker 1: following his lead and just passing all the time. Now,
Speaker 1: except that's works great. When everything's working, He's got to
Speaker 1: find a way to run the ball and help his
Speaker 1: defense get off the field because his defense is in.
Speaker 1: They're playing forty minutes the last couple of weeks. I
Speaker 1: was hoping you were just gonna keep going there, Like honestly,
Speaker 1: I was hoping you would go for fifteen straight minutes, um.
Speaker 1: And where I thought you were going is where I
Speaker 1: will complete it. Because yes, great players when their team
Speaker 1: needs some step up, especially when the lights are on
Speaker 1: the primetime, it brings out that extra gear. And after
Speaker 1: I broke my skid with that fairly um, you know,
Speaker 1: very close to a miracle win, miracle lock for the Packers. There,
Speaker 1: I will now get behind Patrick Mahomes in two game
Speaker 1: losing and I'm gonna lock up the Chiefs on the
Speaker 1: road shorthanded against the revitalized Broncos team because I just
Speaker 1: I think Patrick Mahomes is too good to lose three
Speaker 1: games in a row. Uh, and we're gonna see something
Speaker 1: special from him in this game. I think he's too
Speaker 1: good too, but he's I don't know how if he's
Speaker 1: too good to do that, banged up physically, not the
Speaker 1: same guy he's been. His yards per attempt to drop
Speaker 1: to um you can run on their defense, shot tore
Speaker 1: it all and let's go. Well, we'll see. I mean
Speaker 1: the Broncos this is this is a a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, I would have thought this would have been
Speaker 1: a nice thirty nine to seven Chief celebration. You just
Speaker 1: rolling to Denver, you your free dinner at the hotel,
Speaker 1: you drop a thirty nine points on Denver, and you
Speaker 1: fly home, and it's not been all been fine. Chiefs
Speaker 1: are in a tough place. They ever lose this game.
Speaker 1: They have the Packers and Vikings next. They have not
Speaker 1: been the same team on offense at all. Broncos our
Speaker 1: offense isn't isn't my concern. They they moved the ball
Speaker 1: the last but the defense is is as bad as
Speaker 1: it gets right now. I mean, they're they're among the
Speaker 1: worst than the entire NFL. This is kind of the
Speaker 1: ultimate test for Flacco here because this is a game
Speaker 1: you should put up twenty seven to thirty points if
Speaker 1: you're a legit NFL offense and you're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 1: need to help your defense out and and we'll see,
Speaker 1: can't you like each week? I like the Chiefs too.
Speaker 1: I'm not locked. I get a vision of who's gonna
Speaker 1: be sitting up there with Joe Thomas and Colleen at
Speaker 1: the end and everyone's in a celebratory move. I just
Speaker 1: have a feeling Philip Lindsay, So I be that person
Speaker 1: keeps me mentally into the consider No, I don't Thursday
Speaker 1: Nights the last kind of game. I lock for a
Speaker 1: road team. That Chiefs are a different type of road
Speaker 1: team the most. But that's crazy territory. Thursday Nights, freaky
Speaker 1: stuff happen. Well, considering what Marlon Mack and Carlos Hide
Speaker 1: just did to this defense, and then Frank Clark says,
Speaker 1: we've lost the passion for defending the run. I trust
Speaker 1: Andy Reid and I trust Patrick Mahomes. Stop the kid.
Speaker 1: I mean, Lindsay doesn't even own his own house, rent
Speaker 1: with his parents. Parents. Hey, it's not a bad idea.
Speaker 1: Just save up money. It sounds like a good thing.
Speaker 1: It's hard. He didn't get that brock oswhile her money
Speaker 1: he got Philip Lindsay money. It's a red flag. Man
Speaker 1: got that house. Started like twenty two years old. Get
Speaker 1: to get got a place of your college buddies, you know,
Speaker 1: on Hoboken, and you just get you loosen up. It
Speaker 1: seems like a long to the bars Boken. Enjoy yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: take you know, you take the path into the city
Speaker 1: and you know, enjoy yourself. But the city lives in Denver. Correction,
Speaker 1: he's twenty five years old. It's time to get out, right.
Speaker 1: I came back one when I left Los Angeles with
Speaker 1: no plan and went back east. I stopped back in
Speaker 1: old Wilburham. I think for about a week is one
Speaker 1: of those was like a Garden States most depressing weeks
Speaker 1: of my life. I had to get out of there. Stuff.
Speaker 1: It's like head not to Rosenthal family. I mean they
Speaker 1: were great. I might have been like three days. I
Speaker 1: don't even remember, but it was. I'm sure your parents
Speaker 1: were rocks. But otherwise you were thinking big picture type stuff, right,
Speaker 1: I was just thinking where where am I go? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I got you all right? You know. One day you
Speaker 1: go home, you go to your parents house and stay
Speaker 1: the night and you realize, wow, this is a house,
Speaker 1: but this isn't my home anymore. And maybe Philip Winsley
Speaker 1: is going to come to that realization eventually, because I
Speaker 1: think he needs to if he wants to take that
Speaker 1: step as a Are we sure that's where he's living
Speaker 1: right now? Is this is? Oh? This is It's been
Speaker 1: decided on the show he lives in. Well, if he's not,
Speaker 1: then people announcing their football games have been getting it wrong.
Speaker 1: All right, good stuff, alright, So, oh, you know, Stephen,
Speaker 1: you're doing great behind the glass, but we're not ready
Speaker 1: to say goodbye, goodbye. Still on vacation. Weird, weird, you know,
Speaker 1: flexed by Erica. You know, say, we put in a
Speaker 1: lot of work in the UK. Now I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: disappear for a week or two in various locations across
Speaker 1: the world. She made that decision, and that's good for her. Stephen,
Speaker 1: you's done an awesome job filling in. I just want
Speaker 1: to let the audience know what's coming up tomorrow night.
Speaker 1: We'll have that Thursday night recap of course, and then
Speaker 1: Friday or late, yes, Friday, Right when do we put
Speaker 1: out know Thursday, so still jet legged. Thursday afternoon you'll
Speaker 1: get the week seven preview. Thursday night you'll get the
Speaker 1: Thursday night football recap, and of course we'll be back
Speaker 1: right here in the studio here um on Sunday night
Speaker 1: recapping all the games that we preview tomorrow. Okay, Stephen, thanks,
Speaker 1: got Dan handsOn signing up. Four Quiet Storm, the Mailman,
Speaker 1: the old Boss, a little Stevie behind the glass. He's
Speaker 1: not a little though. Till Thursday