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Speaker 1: military news and straight talk with the guys and the community.
Speaker 1: Welcome to this week's edition of Software Radio with your host,
Speaker 1: Big Phild Campum from across the Pond. I've actually a
Speaker 1: bit further across the pondom in Spain this week again. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm back to the UK next week. For now, I'm
Speaker 1: in mald Bayer and we'll find out a little bit
Speaker 1: why further on through this show anyway. So let's let's
Speaker 1: start by saying we're on time and we're on target
Speaker 1: with Software Radio. Okay, cool, let's crack on with what
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about this week. Well, we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about the Remembrance rum More. We're also going to
Speaker 1: talk about some celebrity security, and we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: plain disturbances, all topical, all subjects of stuff that's going
Speaker 1: on right now and around us. So let's kick things
Speaker 1: right off then with the Remembrance Rumble. Okay, for those
Speaker 1: of you who don't know, then the Remembrance Rumble is
Speaker 1: a boxing man and it's not just any boxing match.
Speaker 1: It's UK Special Forces versus US Special Forces and it
Speaker 1: happens every year. Okay, so this has been going now
Speaker 1: for four years. The concept was drawn up by myself
Speaker 1: and with the help of Brandon Webb, and has been going,
Speaker 1: like I said, now for the last four years. Why
Speaker 1: do we do it? Well, let's have a little bit
Speaker 1: of a history lessons behind the rememberance rumbles. Shall I've
Speaker 1: always liked boxing. I've always liked combat sports full stop,
Speaker 1: but I've never done anyway. Okay, I left the regiment.
Speaker 1: I've never boxed in the Army, and I was rolling
Speaker 1: through a career always wanted to have a boxing match,
Speaker 1: but never actually quite making it into the ring. So
Speaker 1: I decided I was gonna do something about it. I
Speaker 1: was going to train, and I was going to train
Speaker 1: to fight, and it was very important to me. It
Speaker 1: was something I wanted to do. You all too often
Speaker 1: hear people going I wish I'd done that. I wish
Speaker 1: I'd only look at that. This was something I didn't
Speaker 1: want to when I got into my later years to run,
Speaker 1: I wish I had be boxing match, because it's one
Speaker 1: of those things special Forces selection you can't do anything about.
Speaker 1: In the sixties, and seventies or even in fifties, like
Speaker 1: I am now, all right, so I'll start trying the
Speaker 1: boxing club I had. I first started training out in Israel,
Speaker 1: and I was training with a club for Palestinian Club,
Speaker 1: and we used to smuggle fighters across the border from
Speaker 1: Palestine so they could fight Israeli's and then vice versa.
Speaker 1: And there was no malice in it. It was done
Speaker 1: for sport. It was done because they love the sport.
Speaker 1: And I got quite involved in the scene over there,
Speaker 1: in the boxing scene, and we had some great, some
Speaker 1: great nights over there. But it got me wondering what
Speaker 1: would have been like for me if I have decided
Speaker 1: to fight. So I started training. Now, let me just
Speaker 1: get this right from the very start. You don't play
Speaker 1: at boxing. You do, It's not a sport you play,
Speaker 1: all right, So get that right out of your head.
Speaker 1: So to just jump in a ring and start boxing
Speaker 1: with someone at any age really would be stupid. Better
Speaker 1: someone who's boxed before. So I started training, and as
Speaker 1: I've got a bit used to it and to hold
Speaker 1: me hands and moved my feet a little bit, I
Speaker 1: decided I'd branch out and try and find a fight.
Speaker 1: Here comes the hard. But I'm an x S A soldier.
Speaker 1: There's not people queuing up to fight me. I can
Speaker 1: tell you that now, all right, So if they were
Speaker 1: wanting to fight me, it would usually mean they had
Speaker 1: two of very professional fights at least had been Golden
Speaker 1: Gloves winners or the equivalent of and the dnamorateur fights,
Speaker 1: and have been boxing since there was a kid child.
Speaker 1: It was very, very difficult for me to find a match.
Speaker 1: And then a friend of mine, Robert Batsman from Gene
Speaker 1: squadro Slight myself similar Special Forces, said I'll fight you Phil.
Speaker 1: He's a big old lad, similar source size and weight,
Speaker 1: and so we said, right, we'll fight. Now. There is
Speaker 1: to be a point of fighting, there's no I've always said,
Speaker 1: you don't just have a fight. There needs to be
Speaker 1: a point to fighting. So we wanted our point to
Speaker 1: be for charity for veterans charities and to raise money
Speaker 1: and awareness, which is very important. Okay, aware us. Then
Speaker 1: we've got a lot of hype around myself and Rob's fight.
Speaker 1: He goaded me, and I goaded him, and he called
Speaker 1: me out and I called him out, and it went
Speaker 1: down on Facebook like a storm. It was all really
Speaker 1: good fun and like they say, we had the fight.
Speaker 1: I did batter him. I'd beat Rob. It was the
Speaker 1: first to admit I got the better of him. He
Speaker 1: came out swinging, but I managed to I managed to
Speaker 1: pin him in the corner eventually and uh yeah, like
Speaker 1: him quite licking in the end. But it was a
Speaker 1: good fight and we left it at that. Well, it
Speaker 1: was enough for me. I was like, no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed this. And the other thing that completely
Speaker 1: obvious was it did a lot of good. And I
Speaker 1: thought for a charity called Care After Combat, which helps
Speaker 1: guys who were who were struggling and find themselves on
Speaker 1: the wrong side of the law. Rob thought for a
Speaker 1: mind charity for people who were struggling with with with
Speaker 1: with the transition in the civilian life and had a
Speaker 1: few mental health problems. We realized that we did raise
Speaker 1: a lot of awareness and we did raise quite a
Speaker 1: few few few pounds as well. So what's that that
Speaker 1: was actually working? Now? The guy that helped me promote
Speaker 1: that fight said to me, feel, how could you make
Speaker 1: that bigger? How could you make that into something that
Speaker 1: was worth while having? I said to me, let's ever think,
Speaker 1: Let's have a look at it, And then it dawned
Speaker 1: on me, why don't I put a team together of
Speaker 1: ex special forces and dive across the pond to our
Speaker 1: good old favorite friends, the Americans, and see if I
Speaker 1: can find a team of similar of similar like minded
Speaker 1: people who wanted to ever tear up with us for Cherry.
Speaker 1: And I realized, of course that you in the States,
Speaker 1: your ventual aftercare is probably better, but it is better
Speaker 1: than what we have in the UK. And I figured
Speaker 1: that because we do everything together, you know we we
Speaker 1: we fight together, we feed together, we fly together, we
Speaker 1: do everything together. You know, we're like best of buddies.
Speaker 1: And I thought, well, why don't we look after our
Speaker 1: vets together as well? So I was very keen to
Speaker 1: learn about the stuff that you do, and not only
Speaker 1: came to learn about it, but I was coming keen
Speaker 1: to promote your stuff over here in the UK and
Speaker 1: see if we could bring ourselves up in line with
Speaker 1: what you're doing over there for your veterans. So I
Speaker 1: spoke to Brandon, you all know, brandom web, and we
Speaker 1: got the first we got the first rumble up and going.
Speaker 1: We decided, you know, Brandon got some great friends, Well,
Speaker 1: it's some great people involved Rabbles, Rabble was there. He
Speaker 1: came over. No Rad, no Rumble. I always say that
Speaker 1: to this day. And Rad came over and helped and
Speaker 1: we put ourselves together a fight card. And not only
Speaker 1: do we put a fight to card together, we got
Speaker 1: one of the most prestigious venues in the UK for boxing.
Speaker 1: Is a boxing venue where every fighter who's worth his
Speaker 1: saltz has had a fight. And it's called the York Hall.
Speaker 1: Now it's not a huge but it's been there for years.
Speaker 1: Everybody's fought there. And if you speak to most boxers
Speaker 1: or anybody who's worth his salts in boxing, ill statia,
Speaker 1: if you only ever have one fight, have it in
Speaker 1: the York Hall. And he's true. It is an absolute
Speaker 1: delight of a venue. And it's an old Victorian type
Speaker 1: building and as you're going through the big double doors,
Speaker 1: they're seeking all the way around and then there's a
Speaker 1: balcony that goes all the way around and the ring
Speaker 1: sits right in the middle and you come down from
Speaker 1: a stage at the end. It really is. It lends
Speaker 1: itself to fighting so well. And once you're in there,
Speaker 1: and I think we had about fift people in there.
Speaker 1: Once you're in there. It's the noisiest, horriblest, meanest venue
Speaker 1: there is. It's hot under the lights, it's it's just everything.
Speaker 1: He had one for a nice fight night. So we
Speaker 1: had this venue, We had a we had a really
Speaker 1: great night. We raised some good money. Randomok's got some
Speaker 1: good footage, I think, and if you look back through
Speaker 1: the software files you will find some of the footage
Speaker 1: from the from the first rumble there. The fights were good.
Speaker 1: We had some great fights and it laid the foundations
Speaker 1: for what has now become a yearly event. And out
Speaker 1: a year after we put it on again in Your Call,
Speaker 1: and last year we held in Brighton. We called it
Speaker 1: the the bust Up on the Beach was Brighton here
Speaker 1: in the UK is by the beach. It's a beach resort,
Speaker 1: is a famous place, and we hold it in the Alton,
Speaker 1: the same Hilton that was blown up by the i
Speaker 1: R a years ago in their attempt to disrupt politics
Speaker 1: and get at Margaret Thatcher. Of course they failed, but
Speaker 1: they did manage to blow the building up, but it
Speaker 1: didn't know great shakes, and it's still there today as
Speaker 1: his testament to the fact that we all had a
Speaker 1: fight in there. So it was good this year. We're
Speaker 1: moving up north now we've we've been felt fairly well
Speaker 1: supported again this year. But I just can't help thinking
Speaker 1: of myself. This is something I need to bring over
Speaker 1: to America. This is something I want you to people
Speaker 1: in the US to see. I want you to see
Speaker 1: the mentality of the man that wants to fight. I
Speaker 1: want you people to to be in the same room
Speaker 1: as me when I have a tear up to witness,
Speaker 1: to witness my mindset, to witness, have a soldiers mindsets,
Speaker 1: to witness your own soldiers mindsets when they come up
Speaker 1: against someone you know and they have a common purpose.
Speaker 1: All right, we're all there. We're all there raising money
Speaker 1: for our for our veterans, and raising awareness and having
Speaker 1: a purpose for your fight, like I said before, is important.
Speaker 1: But I want I'd love to bring it to the States.
Speaker 1: I'd love to take it to say Madison Square Garden,
Speaker 1: or there's various other venues up and down the United States.
Speaker 1: They would love to see this. Maybe we could tour
Speaker 1: the States with the Remembrance Rum. It would be absolutely superb.
Speaker 1: But ultimately I would really love to bring it to
Speaker 1: the States, and I'd like to take my fighters out there.
Speaker 1: All my fighters have been fighting in the UK, and
Speaker 1: of course it would be good to see to see
Speaker 1: how how you do things over there and how your
Speaker 1: audience reacts to us when we further rumble over here.
Speaker 1: We're very patriotic. It's it's Union jacks everywhere, it's you know,
Speaker 1: we play the national anthems. My walking always has some
Speaker 1: sort of military connotation. I've had bad pipers, I've had drummers.
Speaker 1: We'll get a story coal on you every time. So
Speaker 1: it would be interesting. It would be great fun to
Speaker 1: come over the States and put a show. Now I
Speaker 1: don't want to put saying this is important. It is
Speaker 1: a show. It's not it's not your normal. Like the
Speaker 1: same charity box in the evening, we put it on
Speaker 1: like a professional show. We have all the balls and
Speaker 1: we're as we have everything. We have opera singers, we
Speaker 1: have we have drummers, we have all sorts going on
Speaker 1: and we try and make it as big a show
Speaker 1: as we can. So like the same we reached the
Speaker 1: most people, the awareness and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: So that's where we're at. This year's remember as rumbles
Speaker 1: going down in less than eighteen days, and I should
Speaker 1: be pulling my shoulders on, sticking with gloves on, wrapping
Speaker 1: my hands up, and I should be tearing it up
Speaker 1: with I think Sef Knox this year, my full Sef
Speaker 1: last year, great guy, and we're going to get on
Speaker 1: for Cherry and to raise awareness. So if you can,
Speaker 1: we're gonna give you as I'm gonna give you some
Speaker 1: streaming information. You will be to watch the Rumble this year.
Speaker 1: You will be to stream it and hopefully next year
Speaker 1: you put enough pressure on Brandon. Let's see if we can.
Speaker 1: Let's see if we can do something in the States
Speaker 1: this year. I'm gonna I'm gonna try and get it
Speaker 1: over and I'm gonna speak to Brandon myself and say, yeah,
Speaker 1: we want to bring it over to the States because
Speaker 1: I think it would be fun and I think you
Speaker 1: guys would enjoy it. And certainly the guys that I
Speaker 1: met at the Great Club Academy, they'd love to see
Speaker 1: a boxing Max. They had a great night. And again
Speaker 1: it's that mental lety of the Special Forces soldiers, that
Speaker 1: mentality that takes you into bout with special stuff. It's
Speaker 1: great stuff to see. Like I say, yeah, let's see
Speaker 1: if we can get something on next year for you
Speaker 1: guys to come and appreciate and watch, because that would
Speaker 1: be that would be special. But for now this year,
Speaker 1: i'd like, they say, I'll give you some streaming details.
Speaker 1: If you look at my social media Big Full Campion
Speaker 1: on Twitter, on Facebook, and Instagram, and if you ever
Speaker 1: look there, you will see the fight some way, shape
Speaker 1: or form or at least the live feed too. So
Speaker 1: that's enough. That's enough, and the remembers rumble. Update. Like
Speaker 1: I said, I'm training very hard at the moment. I'm
Speaker 1: in Spain training this year at a very famous gym
Speaker 1: called m t K. Last year I trained at the
Speaker 1: Peacock in London, which is just as famous fighters such
Speaker 1: as uh your Floyd maybe has been at the Peacock
Speaker 1: and Tyson Fury fights out of the m t K.
Speaker 1: So some big names and rubbing shoulders with hopefully doing
Speaker 1: some big stuff. Right, Okay, where are we? We're going
Speaker 1: to talk about celebrity security, which is something I didn't
Speaker 1: do a massive amount of, but it's something I do
Speaker 1: know a fair amount about. Celebrity bodyguarding. Let's call it bodyguarding.
Speaker 1: Let's have it. Let's have a chat our celebrity bodyguarding.
Speaker 1: I call it hobby guarding because I would only ever
Speaker 1: do it now if it was a band I wanted
Speaker 1: to actually go and see. That sounds a little bit
Speaker 1: funny and quirky, but that's the way it is with me.
Speaker 1: Let's start with the differences in between this and a
Speaker 1: normal security detail. Okay, security detail, how I know it
Speaker 1: would predominantly be something in card Bull or Bad Dad
Speaker 1: or Gaza or West Africa. But there's a genuine, horrible,
Speaker 1: honking disgusting fret against you, okay, and you will stay
Speaker 1: looking after an ambassador or you know, somebody of business
Speaker 1: who needed to get from it to be with somebody
Speaker 1: and that's the key word, who needed you, who actually
Speaker 1: needed you to be there. Okay. Now that's not true
Speaker 1: of all celebrities. There is a fret on some celebrities
Speaker 1: depend on who they are. But like I say, I
Speaker 1: have had scenario as well. I've just been almost a
Speaker 1: handbag carrier, so that can be that can be one
Speaker 1: of the most distinguishing factors is that they don't actually
Speaker 1: need you there and you are more of a fashion
Speaker 1: prop than you are doing a job of security. So
Speaker 1: that's the most striking difference. Then you've got to look
Speaker 1: at assets and stuff like that. So if you're doing
Speaker 1: a government type job, you can expect you're gonna get
Speaker 1: lots of assets. You're gonna be here to control the show,
Speaker 1: all right. You're gonna be calling the shots and all
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. You're gonna be going to wherever
Speaker 1: the principle is and saying, Boss, it's not safe to
Speaker 1: go that way. We need to go this way. We
Speaker 1: can't go in that car. We've gotta take this car.
Speaker 1: We can't go on that plane. We've got to take
Speaker 1: that plane. We need this helicopter, we don't need that.
Speaker 1: We can't have this. You get the picture, all right.
Speaker 1: We're doing stuff. Probably, we're doing stuff has laid out
Speaker 1: by the book. We're doing it as we've been taught.
Speaker 1: We'll probably have an advanced party, will probably have a
Speaker 1: decent sized team. We'll have a we'll have a properly
Speaker 1: trained driver. We'll have weapons. We would have proper weapons,
Speaker 1: all right, So we'll have all the bells and whistles
Speaker 1: for a government type task. And rightly, so you know,
Speaker 1: you've got to go into hostile areas you to do
Speaker 1: some proper stuff. And we're going to talk and put
Speaker 1: a completely different show on hostile area stuff at a
Speaker 1: later date. But we're now dealing with the celebrity stuff
Speaker 1: where perhaps you might not get the right amount of men.
Speaker 1: He's definitely, definitely in most countries in Europe ain't gonna
Speaker 1: be armed. The threat is going to be different now.
Speaker 1: I remember doing a guy years ago called Dizzy Raskal,
Speaker 1: and the biggest threat to him was being mobbed by women.
Speaker 1: He really was, and the aboule used to try and
Speaker 1: pull his clothes off and all sorts of stuff. In
Speaker 1: factly got that bad once they were pulling at his
Speaker 1: T shirt so much so it was constricting the blood
Speaker 1: flow into his into his head, and he nearly passed
Speaker 1: out and I had to get a jay knife and
Speaker 1: cut his T shirt off and let them have it
Speaker 1: and then get him out of the way. So it's
Speaker 1: a totally different animal. The other thing is you're going
Speaker 1: to be exposed to other types of stuff. So they
Speaker 1: might say, well till I haven't got this car, I
Speaker 1: haven't got that car. We need to do it this way,
Speaker 1: we need to do it that way. I want you
Speaker 1: to do this, I want to do that. I am
Speaker 1: only a service provider, so I am going to give
Speaker 1: them what they want, and I have to fit in
Speaker 1: with their schedules, their timing and what they want to do.
Speaker 1: And most a type celebrities or certainly pop stars are
Speaker 1: not going to be very impressive. I said, we're not
Speaker 1: going to the restaurant tonight. It's too close to displace
Speaker 1: or that place, or we're not going there. We'll have
Speaker 1: to go this way. You can't stop here. No, there
Speaker 1: ain't good enough for most of them. So there's a
Speaker 1: massive difference straight away. And that's why I call it
Speaker 1: hobby guarding, because you really, in my opinion, if you're
Speaker 1: into this sort of thing, it's not about the money
Speaker 1: for me, it's about it's about the job satisfaction and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And there was very little satisfaction of
Speaker 1: that celebrity bodyguarding for me. I know some people might
Speaker 1: quite like it, but now there was a means to
Speaker 1: making some cash for me, mainly, like I say, because
Speaker 1: of those major difficulties in having clients that they want
Speaker 1: to tell you what to do. I'm the security bloke here,
Speaker 1: I'm the bloke that was in the regiment. I'm the
Speaker 1: bloke that's done this training, that training, the other training.
Speaker 1: And yet you the singer the La la. You're telling
Speaker 1: me what to do, You're telling me to go here,
Speaker 1: and you were asking me to carry your bags. How
Speaker 1: can I be looking after you and on carrying your
Speaker 1: bags all that sort of stuff. So those are your
Speaker 1: major differences, all right. It was great fun, some of it,
Speaker 1: all right. And I was told about this job satisfaction
Speaker 1: thing and a means to an end there was. I
Speaker 1: did some great mans. I did led Zeppelin on their
Speaker 1: comeback tour in the Old Two Arena. I was with
Speaker 1: Jimmy Page on the stage, stood right behind him when
Speaker 1: he was strumming out rock and roll and the crowd
Speaker 1: was going mad in front of us. And he again,
Speaker 1: I mean, he appreciated me being there. He'd been attacked
Speaker 1: on stage, he knew what the score was. He said, Look, Phil,
Speaker 1: he said, I want you as close to me as
Speaker 1: possible at all times. But I still couldn't stand in
Speaker 1: front of him unless there was something actually going on
Speaker 1: and I had to remove him. I was kept out
Speaker 1: of the way, I was out of sight, but although
Speaker 1: I was just out of light, I was right where
Speaker 1: I could get on him. And he was a great guy.
Speaker 1: But that was that was a really good rock and
Speaker 1: roll show that was led Zeppelin. Imagine that the comeback
Speaker 1: tour right the oldto Arena, thousands of people as cracking
Speaker 1: venue and a real good laugh for me. Who else
Speaker 1: did I do? Let's talk about let's drop few names
Speaker 1: in the conversation with Big Phil when we talk about
Speaker 1: I've done a little bit with Liam Gallagher, not much.
Speaker 1: He was a friend of mine. Used to look after
Speaker 1: Liam all the time, but sometimes he divides along with
Speaker 1: stuff we'd tip up, just as extra hands and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, which was which was a fair one. But
Speaker 1: he was. He was quite a nice guy. He has
Speaker 1: his persona in the in the outside world of being
Speaker 1: the meanest, nastiest, hardest bloke going. Couldn't probably be further
Speaker 1: from the truth if you tried, very nice, amicable guy,
Speaker 1: couldn't do more for you. Listen to what he was told.
Speaker 1: All that sort of stuff really really good if I
Speaker 1: looked after Let me think Kasabian Kasabian, and they were
Speaker 1: a band. They were a band. They were a good band.
Speaker 1: They were from Leicester. Have a look at Kasabian. Google Kasabian.
Speaker 1: Their music was on point as well telling out now,
Speaker 1: but they were they were they were good fun. Never
Speaker 1: had any incidents to Kasabian, but I remember one time again,
Speaker 1: this is one of the things that you dealt with
Speaker 1: a lot of the bodyguard was over zealous fans. Everybody
Speaker 1: wants to touch him, everybody wants to hold them. Every
Speaker 1: body wants their T shirt, everybody wants their shoes, everybody
Speaker 1: wants this, everybody wants that. And sometimes just getting from
Speaker 1: it to be can be an absolute nightmare. You can
Speaker 1: be pushing and shoving and bulling and pushing and not
Speaker 1: making any hope by whatsoever. And remember Kasabian. We did
Speaker 1: a tour of I Beef, so I Beef with Kasabian.
Speaker 1: I mean at the time they were they were playing
Speaker 1: a good called Ie Beef Rocks, which was a rock
Speaker 1: event and had lots of different venues in these clubs.
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing, you know, the clubs that
Speaker 1: was one with Kasabian. It's talk clubs because they all
Speaker 1: want to go to clubs after they've been singing them whatever.
Speaker 1: You and you know, that's fine, massed up to them.
Speaker 1: They're young people. They want to get it on in
Speaker 1: the club. But it is something that I wasn't used
Speaker 1: to with a diplomat. Yeah, this is a really this
Speaker 1: is a really tricky one. You might have a celebrity
Speaker 1: that says to me, Phil, who's to go to drug
Speaker 1: deed around here? I fancy a line of coke now
Speaker 1: I have touch drugs. I can't stand drugs. I kind
Speaker 1: of like drugs. And luckily, none of the people I've
Speaker 1: worked we have ever asked me to deal for them
Speaker 1: in that way. But I've seen evidence of it being
Speaker 1: taken on tour and that sort of stuff by celet
Speaker 1: so called celebrities and things like that. And it was
Speaker 1: one of the things actually that I refused to take
Speaker 1: Amy Wine app to rehab because the amount of drugs
Speaker 1: and stuff that was being involved with her at the time.
Speaker 1: You could have any sort of nonsense with your own client,
Speaker 1: and then who looks like the buffoon? Who looks like
Speaker 1: the one who's unprofessional? But it's going to be the
Speaker 1: bodyguard in it. But the bodyguards should have done that.
Speaker 1: The bodyguards should have done this, And it's not so.
Speaker 1: They are people that want to do this, that and
Speaker 1: the other. And if they want to be throwing whatever
Speaker 1: they throw up their nose, up their nose, that's their
Speaker 1: business as far as I'm concerned. But it's not something
Speaker 1: I want to be involved in. And like they say,
Speaker 1: it's something you're gonna have to bear in mind because
Speaker 1: if you look after someone, the someone the bigger groups
Speaker 1: in the rock and roll fraternity, for sure, they're going
Speaker 1: to be doing the odd thing that you probably don't
Speaker 1: agree with. So that's another thing. Another thing straight away,
Speaker 1: a little bit from from the crowds, the crowds, over
Speaker 1: zealous crowds. And the other thing with the over zealous
Speaker 1: crowds is like if I had a diplomat in cardball
Speaker 1: and I was trying to get them through a crowd,
Speaker 1: I really would start pushing people back, shout and screaming
Speaker 1: and all the rest of it. But these people have
Speaker 1: got an image. These are their fans. These are people
Speaker 1: that have paid possibly a lot of money to come
Speaker 1: and see them. They don't always swatted like a fly
Speaker 1: by bodyguard. They don't want to be knocked into the
Speaker 1: dirt and trampled on by the whole entourage as it
Speaker 1: goes by. That's not what it's about some of these
Speaker 1: poople of kids. So you have to be very careful
Speaker 1: with your approach and how you deal with things. And like,
Speaker 1: for instance, I'd say that my boss when I was
Speaker 1: in Cardball, they will take the back door to day boss,
Speaker 1: there's less chance that they're being some papers there and
Speaker 1: some pressing, some paperaps and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: You try telling Kasabian to go to back door to
Speaker 1: avoid the press. They want the press, that's what they're about.
Speaker 1: It's like shares, all that sort of stuff. That's what
Speaker 1: they want. And I said, by the guard, that's what
Speaker 1: you're going to have to deal with, you know, as
Speaker 1: a bodyguard to the stars, that is that's all stuff
Speaker 1: that you're gonna have to deal with, all stuff that
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to manage. It's people trying to get
Speaker 1: on the stage. Like to say, it's just it's nine
Speaker 1: times out of ten it's over zealous. It's a who
Speaker 1: do I look after I went to Lebanon and I
Speaker 1: looked after someone there and I can't remember his name now,
Speaker 1: but he was from Lebanon, and the crowd got really
Speaker 1: really excited and they were all throwing pillows. But it
Speaker 1: all got a bit much for him and he wanted
Speaker 1: to come off the stage, and he did at one
Speaker 1: point come off the stage and I had to talk
Speaker 1: to him, say, look, it's only pillows son, it's all right,
Speaker 1: we'll be there, And I ended up a lot of
Speaker 1: them didn't want you there, but this guy actually ended
Speaker 1: up siding with me and going or Phil, please look
Speaker 1: after me, and all that sort of stuff. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was a strange one. So, like they say,
Speaker 1: some of its non hostile behavior, but it can be
Speaker 1: intimidating and it can scare him. I went to Glastonbury,
Speaker 1: which is a famous festival in the UK, and I
Speaker 1: looked after a guy called Dizzy Rascal I've mentioned earlier,
Speaker 1: very nice guy, a rapper and a good rapper, and
Speaker 1: he spent some time in Miami as well, so he
Speaker 1: might have come across him in the States. And I
Speaker 1: took him to the Glastonbury and we were on stage
Speaker 1: and he did his act and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: Withever a few days and there was a VIP area
Speaker 1: and we used to hang about in the VIP area afterwards.
Speaker 1: And it's one time, he says, Phil, he says, I
Speaker 1: wish I was a normal person, I says, looking with
Speaker 1: a normal person. Dizzy, well, we are about, he says, well,
Speaker 1: feel he goes, I'd love to I'd like to go
Speaker 1: in the crowd. I'd love to go in the mosh pit.
Speaker 1: I'd love to go and see how it's from the
Speaker 1: other side, from the person looking up, he says, because
Speaker 1: I've been a star since a young person, and I've
Speaker 1: never really been to a festival. I've never really seen
Speaker 1: what it's like to be in that crowd, to walk
Speaker 1: around with a beer in your hand, and you know
Speaker 1: all the stuff that you and I that you know
Speaker 1: frequent festivals. If you do, that's what you get from
Speaker 1: the festival, the enjoyment, the spectacle. They're watching the band,
Speaker 1: and I says, Dizzy, I said, do the other favor,
Speaker 1: I says, go out there your caravan at the back.
Speaker 1: I says, and can get yourself a large tower and
Speaker 1: put over your head, and then go and get to
Speaker 1: too counts and larker two cans of beer from the
Speaker 1: v I p area. So he turns up with his
Speaker 1: two cons of beer and tow all over his head
Speaker 1: and myself. So I joined him under the town and
Speaker 1: we held the beer out in front of us, and
Speaker 1: we left the area like we were just two drunks
Speaker 1: having a bit of a laugh under a towel. Just
Speaker 1: sort of behavior you see all day at festivals, people
Speaker 1: being stupid and stupid things. And I walked with Dizzy
Speaker 1: all the way into the center of the crowd, and
Speaker 1: it was rocking, and I can't remember what the hanmer
Speaker 1: was on now, but we were jumping up and down
Speaker 1: and dance. We kept this town on our heads. We
Speaker 1: were jumping up and down and dancing about and having
Speaker 1: a really good laugh, and he was really enjoying it
Speaker 1: was out there. We did about three or four the records,
Speaker 1: and anyway, we jumped up and I remember, I remember
Speaker 1: my beer getting knocked out of my hand. And I
Speaker 1: hadn't been drinking anyway, but my beer got knocked out
Speaker 1: my hand and I dropped it and went to grabbed
Speaker 1: the towel, and somebody else grabbed the towel. He dropped
Speaker 1: his beer? Did he dropped his beer before we knew
Speaker 1: at the time of him ripped off? Now that's not
Speaker 1: I'm nothing. Nobody knew who was under the tail, so
Speaker 1: it was just you know, people in the first story
Speaker 1: is a towel bullet, you know what I mean. Anyway,
Speaker 1: this towel come off his head and someone went Dizzy
Speaker 1: ra school and someone else went right mate, I had
Speaker 1: to pick Dizzy up. I've stuffed him on my shoulders
Speaker 1: and I ran with him like a pro football player
Speaker 1: or a rugby player on my shoulder, just bashing into people.
Speaker 1: And I had to get all the way through this crowd.
Speaker 1: I managed it just about and we got back to
Speaker 1: the VIP area and they let us in for a while. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we just had to get out. And I say, there
Speaker 1: was nobody in the crowd at all, in any way
Speaker 1: shape with form that would have wanted to hurt Dizzy.
Speaker 1: It's just that when you get this crowd mentality, you
Speaker 1: can cause a stampede. And when he caused a stampede,
Speaker 1: it can just go absolutely mad, straight off the bat
Speaker 1: type mad like you know what I mean. So yeah,
Speaker 1: really really scary stuff. Not that scary. I mean it
Speaker 1: could have been once. We could have been doing the
Speaker 1: same thing in mood this year with you and Jackets
Speaker 1: on compy. So it's not that bad. And it was
Speaker 1: a one was as and I but Dizzy when we
Speaker 1: got back to the pen and I said, hey, come on,
Speaker 1: I said, you know you wanted to go out there, son,
Speaker 1: and that's what we did. So we did do that.
Speaker 1: But like I said, the hobby guarding as I call it,
Speaker 1: the body guarding as they call it, it's different. It's
Speaker 1: like I say, you don't have the same restraint. So
Speaker 1: I don't remember a team of lad to actually hobby
Speaker 1: guarding a celebrity in London and one of them tried
Speaker 1: to stop the principal and I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: it was because I don't want to embarrass her, but
Speaker 1: one of them trying to stop the girl from getting
Speaker 1: out of the car because there was a group of
Speaker 1: lads that with unsavory character and she wouldn't haven't got
Speaker 1: out and actually sacked the guy from trying to stop her,
Speaker 1: and she did, getting a bit of a wrap with
Speaker 1: these guys, and it did say something and it was
Speaker 1: a bit unpleasant and she got spat out and all
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. And even though so you shouldn't
Speaker 1: have stopped me from getting out of the car. Really,
Speaker 1: So that's what you're up again. So it's not it's
Speaker 1: not a career path I say that people don't do.
Speaker 1: But for me, they say I'd only ever take a
Speaker 1: celebrity that I want to take. There's been plenty that
Speaker 1: I didn't want to take. I've been asked a few
Speaker 1: times and what they say, one of my claims to
Speaker 1: one of my big clothes to fame is I refuse
Speaker 1: to take Amy Winehouse to rehab. I said, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: So there you go. There you go a little bit,
Speaker 1: and I hope a god that that that's given a
Speaker 1: little bit of an insight into the differences of what
Speaker 1: the job entails. But the main thing is that the
Speaker 1: shoe is on there for there, the paying customer. There's
Speaker 1: no diplomatic protection, there's no privilege as afforded you other
Speaker 1: than a VI I P pass into areas backstage and
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. So it's a very very different
Speaker 1: world thought you might be used to if you're a
Speaker 1: steely i'd operator, you know, working in one of the
Speaker 1: top tier units around the globe, and now you find
Speaker 1: yourself still next to somebody who plays your guitar for
Speaker 1: a living. There you go, right, Okay, cooler, let's crack
Speaker 1: on the one last thing to talk about this week
Speaker 1: in London and plane disturbance. This week in London or
Speaker 1: last week in London. Should I say a guy decides
Speaker 1: that he's gonna he's gonna climb on top of a
Speaker 1: plane at London City Airport and cause all sorts of disruption.
Speaker 1: He glued his hand that a plane in the end
Speaker 1: got all very scared, and I think leaforities got him
Speaker 1: off eventually. It was an absolute pain for everybody and
Speaker 1: all concerned. But disturbances on planes are not completely uncommon.
Speaker 1: And what they say, if it happens on the ground,
Speaker 1: that's one thing, and the authorities will deal with it
Speaker 1: extremely swiftly, extremely quickly and extremely efficiently. They'll be on
Speaker 1: it bang and they'll want to quash it straight away.
Speaker 1: Once the things in the air, all right, it could
Speaker 1: be a different deal. So let's just talk and let's
Speaker 1: just think about, you know, the sorts of things that
Speaker 1: could happen once the plane takes off. And I'm going
Speaker 1: to tell you now, nine times out of ten one
Speaker 1: an instant happens in the sky. From my experience, it
Speaker 1: will be down to too much alcohol. Okay, So drinking
Speaker 1: on planes it there's a fault fear from straight away.
Speaker 1: Just band drinking on planes and he's probably lose. He
Speaker 1: probably lose the majority of the trouble straight away, but
Speaker 1: they don't. So there is drinking on planes the big
Speaker 1: concerned obviously nowadays it's the fair from terrorism Okay, So
Speaker 1: as we were staw nine eleven, you know, horrible disgusting day,
Speaker 1: you know, not just for American history, but for the
Speaker 1: history of this planet as a whole, disgusting thing happened, okay,
Speaker 1: and we all witnessed it. But my attitude within my
Speaker 1: own flights now has completely changed from that. Now, even
Speaker 1: before that happened, there had always been a rumor that
Speaker 1: it could happen one day. There's always been a four
Speaker 1: of the back in mind that you know, somebody might
Speaker 1: try and bring a plane down one day. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously it went the way it did. So I used
Speaker 1: to always have a drink before I got on a plane. Always,
Speaker 1: I very rarely do that. Now I need to be
Speaker 1: in a position whereby I can see around me, and
Speaker 1: whereby if it all goes wrong, I could be the
Speaker 1: one that actually steps up it starts to recover the situation. Now,
Speaker 1: I've seen a couple of incidents on planes, and not
Speaker 1: to say in my experience it has been drunken behavior,
Speaker 1: but it's say that one day you won't be in
Speaker 1: a plane and it will get you know, somebody will
Speaker 1: stand up with some real intention. Now they have changed
Speaker 1: things up cockpits and more secure and all that sort
Speaker 1: of thing. But you know, whenever somebody comes up of
Speaker 1: a solution, somebody comes out of a counter solution. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure people have looked at other ways around this
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. So I try and get get myself
Speaker 1: in the frame of mind whereby I am prepared. And
Speaker 1: if I am prepared when I'm fly, then at least
Speaker 1: in the back of my eye, my own mind, I'm
Speaker 1: a little bit safer. And like I say, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at what could potentially go wrong. Now. Money dictates to
Speaker 1: me that I usually sit at the back end of
Speaker 1: the plane. So if I can't afford to sit at
Speaker 1: the front end of the plane, if you sat at
Speaker 1: the back, that gives you a better view down the
Speaker 1: plane as a whole. So if I had to pick
Speaker 1: my seats on a plane, I'll pick them towards the
Speaker 1: back end of the plane, where I can see what's
Speaker 1: going on in front of me. I can see anything
Speaker 1: that develops, and I can keep an eye out. I'm
Speaker 1: certainly aware of my surroundings from the time I get
Speaker 1: on the planet the end. As I walked through a plane,
Speaker 1: I always try and board last, and as I walk
Speaker 1: through the plane. I'll try and clock who's on there.
Speaker 1: I'll try and look for any potential troublemakers before I've
Speaker 1: even got to my seat. So I'm walking down a plane,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you've had a bit too much to drink.
Speaker 1: You'll probably fall asleep. You're not a bad guy, you
Speaker 1: look okay, even though all that sort of stuff o case.
Speaker 1: I'm weighing people up in my own mind. Now, I
Speaker 1: know you can't guarantee where it's going to come from,
Speaker 1: but sometimes you just get that prickly feeling on the
Speaker 1: back of your neck or whatever that says yet there's
Speaker 1: a wrong and on here. And if you don't do
Speaker 1: it at all, then you're never gonna say that. Yees.
Speaker 1: So if you just bundle on the plane with the
Speaker 1: rest of the punters or try and get on their first,
Speaker 1: you know you're not going to notice what's going on.
Speaker 1: And this is the biggest thing I sad to people.
Speaker 1: Be aware of your surroundings even before we get on
Speaker 1: that plane. Behavior within the within the last queue to
Speaker 1: get on it, is there anybody? Is anybody really nervous
Speaker 1: about getting on there? Is anybody really sort of panicking
Speaker 1: flapping it? You're looking around, weighing people up, looking for security.
Speaker 1: Even though I've boarded a few planes that have had
Speaker 1: security on them, and obviously I'm looking for who's do
Speaker 1: I think the security details? But they could be looking
Speaker 1: at me, looking at them thinking is he looking at
Speaker 1: me because he wants to know why I am because
Speaker 1: he wants to take me on? Think at all these permittations.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is being aware of you surroundings.
Speaker 1: Like to say, I always try to be the last
Speaker 1: person on the planes. If I'm sat down the back
Speaker 1: and I walk into the plane having to look around
Speaker 1: when I sit down, I'm alert. And what you can't
Speaker 1: sort of patrol around your whole life. You have to realistic.
Speaker 1: But certainly, if I hear a disturbance, pump headphones are
Speaker 1: straight off, I'm I'm gonna look what is going on?
Speaker 1: And then really, if you do ever get a disturbance
Speaker 1: on the plane, Now I can't teach you what to do,
Speaker 1: I how to react. All I have to state here
Speaker 1: is you know you've got to utilize what is around
Speaker 1: you at the time to try and quell whatever activity
Speaker 1: is going on. But I can tell you now for
Speaker 1: a fact, I'm not just gonna stand there and let
Speaker 1: somebody pull my plane out the sky. I'm not just
Speaker 1: gonna let somebody start kicking down that cockpit door and
Speaker 1: not do anything about it. What's to have myself? Okay?
Speaker 1: And as you know, there's various bits of equipment and
Speaker 1: stuff being brought on a plane all the time, trolleys
Speaker 1: and the like, you know, heavy pieces of equipment which
Speaker 1: you could potentially defend yourself with. I'm not gonna I'm
Speaker 1: not going to go right into the details of it now,
Speaker 1: but I remember, you know, years ago I did through
Speaker 1: a study on a British Airways planning to say how
Speaker 1: many things I could turn into the lethal objects. And
Speaker 1: I'm telling you now, if I told you, you'd be
Speaker 1: shocked how many things I found on an empty plane,
Speaker 1: let alone. When you're talking people who've got handbags. Now
Speaker 1: people have got laptop cases, computer bags, There's that and
Speaker 1: the other. I've never been stopped getting on a plane
Speaker 1: with a caribbean or on my bag, as I've never
Speaker 1: been stopped getting on a plane carrying a torch in
Speaker 1: my bag either, these sorts of things. Think about it,
Speaker 1: Think about what you know, Think about how you've learned
Speaker 1: your life you know, I've always got a first aid
Speaker 1: kit in my back. I've always got some trauma stuff
Speaker 1: in my back. This is my d C. I'm e
Speaker 1: d C thinking around carrying on what I can can
Speaker 1: and can't carry on a plane. My e d C
Speaker 1: on a plane includes a tornic cat. It's not illegal,
Speaker 1: it can be carried. But if somebody does get gashed
Speaker 1: up on a plane, like you say, a bleed out
Speaker 1: can occur in very very minutes few Okay, So you
Speaker 1: need to be applying pressure, you know, and doing stuff
Speaker 1: that you've been taught at a very early hour, identifying
Speaker 1: who the doctors are on the plane, and sorting stuff out.
Speaker 1: Because forty thous and feet there's not a plane on
Speaker 1: this planet unless it falls can get to the ground
Speaker 1: in four minutes. You're dead before that plane. It's the
Speaker 1: ground anyway, all right. So what I'm saying is work
Speaker 1: out what you can, what you can't carry, what's the
Speaker 1: use to here. What you can't have in your hand
Speaker 1: glove is what you can't have an your hand luggage,
Speaker 1: and what you really want and what the threat is
Speaker 1: likely to be. That's the way I'm thinking your awareness
Speaker 1: around your own travel should be at a hepe where
Speaker 1: you're taken on board what other people are doing around
Speaker 1: you all the time. All Right, I can't stress it
Speaker 1: enough how important it is. Okay, not going to go
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Speaker 1: to the great wider people so that they've got decent
Speaker 1: stuff around them to help them in their everyday life
Speaker 1: with their everyday carries. Okay, brilliant stuff. I will see
Speaker 1: you all again very soon. This is my last show
Speaker 1: for this month, but next month, believe you me, you're
Speaker 1: going to see quite a bit of me. So until then,
Speaker 1: until next time, who Dares Wins And I'll see you
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