Speaker 1: Ah beat Force. If it doesn't work, you're just not
Speaker 1: using enough. You're listening to Software a Gradio, Special Operations,
Speaker 1: military news and straight talk with the guys and the
Speaker 1: community softwarep Radio on Time on Target. I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: my headphones slightly louder, totally unprofessionally. It's been a while
Speaker 1: since we've had Rob O'Neil in studio. I feel like
Speaker 1: this entire audience obviously knows you. No introduction needed. Former
Speaker 1: cl Team six Dev grew Um, author of the Operator
Speaker 1: and also the co founder of Your Grateful Nation, which
Speaker 1: we can get into. We should, but it's been too long,
Speaker 1: and yeah, we were saying that it's probably been like
Speaker 1: a year and a year in something you're in change. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: but I think before we get into like any big stuff,
Speaker 1: what like, what have you been up to since people
Speaker 1: last heard you on the show? People will fire your
Speaker 1: social media? No, but yeah, just a lot of traveling.
Speaker 1: I do a lot of appearances for my foundation. You're
Speaker 1: a Grateful Nation. We're getting bigger and we're transitioning a
Speaker 1: lot more special operators to the private sector, which is
Speaker 1: our mission that we can get into later. So we
Speaker 1: do different different events here and there we get some
Speaker 1: upcoming stuff in in Boston and Charlotte, in in Nashville,
Speaker 1: things like that. We're always looking for for places to
Speaker 1: go just to introduce people to the to the A
Speaker 1: lot of the a lot of the people that UM
Speaker 1: Special operator, a lot of rangers, a lot of green Berets,
Speaker 1: UM guys that that that UM have been doing this
Speaker 1: stuff behind the scenes, the harder stuff than I ever did,
Speaker 1: and we're just getting them jobs in the private center.
Speaker 1: So a lot of that. I do public speaking with
Speaker 1: a group out of Washington, d C. Called Leading Authorities,
Speaker 1: where I get into why we were successful as a
Speaker 1: high performance team in the military and how the traits
Speaker 1: are applicable. It's a normal life and UM, how to
Speaker 1: be successful based on like one meal at a time,
Speaker 1: one day at a time, we'll equal a good year
Speaker 1: and be good to each other. Things like that. A
Speaker 1: lot of travel. I did get married a year and
Speaker 1: a half ago, so thank you. She's awesome. I'm wondering
Speaker 1: if that happened before the last time we talked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was before the last time, so we did talk
Speaker 1: about Jess yea UM. Yeah, So we become like a
Speaker 1: social media kind of had yeah, she you, but well
Speaker 1: she's gotta she's got a quick wit. She's very easy
Speaker 1: on the eyes, and she'll just snap at you and
Speaker 1: people do people digger. She's she's fun to look at,
Speaker 1: fun to watch or do stuff and and uh so
Speaker 1: between she's got a real job, and I don't know
Speaker 1: what I do for a living, so I saw we're
Speaker 1: trying to spend all of our time just doing stuff
Speaker 1: together when when she's not working, and between that family
Speaker 1: stuff and trying to get some leisure in here and there,
Speaker 1: it's been a busy I mean, it's funny to say
Speaker 1: that you don't have a real job because you're doing
Speaker 1: all these speaking engagements, you're also promoting. It's fun though
Speaker 1: it's getting in front of people. It almost turns into
Speaker 1: an adrenaline rush that you kind of need. Like my
Speaker 1: best day is when I get off the stage after
Speaker 1: being in front of a big group, just because being
Speaker 1: in front of people and sharing stories and then interacting
Speaker 1: it's nice too because I get it. I get to
Speaker 1: talk to thousands of people personally a weak face to face,
Speaker 1: and it's nice and reassuring to find out that the
Speaker 1: country is not as bad as as a lot of
Speaker 1: people on the on the news on TV like to
Speaker 1: say it is and social media, Oh yeah, social media
Speaker 1: is the worst. Some of the best advice I have
Speaker 1: for people. If you want to be um, have a
Speaker 1: positive day, get out of bed, don't check social media.
Speaker 1: Sell at least noon. I've I've been doing that as smart.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, turn turns the moment you wake up that
Speaker 1: and it is always just negative. It's always trety. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's um. I went for a walk this morning,
Speaker 1: and try to always do get you know, drink a
Speaker 1: big glass of water before you get your coffee, and
Speaker 1: then get outside, let the sun hit you, walk for
Speaker 1: a little bit, do something athletic. It's because the people
Speaker 1: on social mendia aren't you know. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: being on television. You know, you might be talking to
Speaker 1: a few million people, but you're talking to them one
Speaker 1: and two's in their own living rooms. So people on
Speaker 1: social media they're hollering. It's they're yelling at their screen.
Speaker 1: They're not yelling at a real person. And but but
Speaker 1: you read it the negative, especially negativity about yourself, until
Speaker 1: you get used to it, like get that thick skin
Speaker 1: that's like this is it's almost entertaining, because the deeper
Speaker 1: you get into the Twitter sphere, the funnier the haters
Speaker 1: actually get there. I mean they're vicious, but but very creative.
Speaker 1: It's also all created I think to be. I mean not,
Speaker 1: I think it is created to be. Oh yeah, oh
Speaker 1: totally is. Yeah. Well that's everything from the algorithms that
Speaker 1: decide because you bought this on Amazon, that they're gonna
Speaker 1: send you the ads for this other stuff. That's gonna
Speaker 1: be like right now, I'm getting all these um ads
Speaker 1: for huge those huge um bean bag chairs because I
Speaker 1: want one, and so I've been shopping for them and
Speaker 1: now it's like all I see is these kick ass
Speaker 1: bean bag chairs. It turned turned into beds, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's all geared to to get you
Speaker 1: addicted and and to hate yourself and you're like no
Speaker 1: longer a human being, you're just a consumer. Yeah that's all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yes, so social media is interesting. You stay off
Speaker 1: that as long as you can, um get a workout in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with take you everything with a grain of salt.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I meet I meet so many people
Speaker 1: a week. I've yet to meet a hater, but they're
Speaker 1: all over the internet. No, never, I don't think really
Speaker 1: to anyone's face. I mean, you know, you got the
Speaker 1: guy in New Zealand got the egg popped over his head.
Speaker 1: Did he probably deserve that? That was crazy? And then
Speaker 1: then then he deserved that. That's That's what it's like,
Speaker 1: us talking talking ship in person, which you can get
Speaker 1: punched in the face. People are less likely to touch
Speaker 1: it when they can actually get punched in the face.
Speaker 1: Well said man, before we get in that pretty good,
Speaker 1: But before we get into like any topics of substance here,
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about this. I did hear
Speaker 1: the original Howard Stern interviews, which was incredible Howard's I mean,
Speaker 1: I think everybody would agree, who really, you know, is objective.
Speaker 1: Howard's like the best. Howard Howard is the best interview
Speaker 1: in the world. Yeah, I heard he's getting caught by
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan. I see, I've not been on his show,
Speaker 1: but I know the differences. Though. I feel like, so
Speaker 1: if you go on Howard you're a featured guest, which
Speaker 1: you've been, I feel like it's forty minutes or so,
Speaker 1: and he really gets into everything. He gets into everything
Speaker 1: sometimes Rogan and I love Rogan. Can I listen to
Speaker 1: three hours of you know, Alex Jones or anything for example,
Speaker 1: like it goes really long. If you're listening to Alex
Speaker 1: Jones for how many hours, it will be Alex Jones branting. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But Rogan's podcast, I mean it's an episode there two
Speaker 1: to three hours and do at times I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: I tune out after a while cutting that baut But
Speaker 1: I love Rogan. I don't know how Howard though. I
Speaker 1: think I mean, obviously he is so experienced, he's been
Speaker 1: doing it forever. But with Howard stern Is, I think
Speaker 1: he can prepare so in depth so quickly. I think
Speaker 1: that he mean, he obviously prepares for everything he does,
Speaker 1: but then he takes like the for me, it was
Speaker 1: like four or five songs they were playing while he
Speaker 1: was kind of going through the stuff. He just knew everything.
Speaker 1: So he's a really smart guy, really good guy. And
Speaker 1: for for me, it was the you know, the first
Speaker 1: the first three or four minutes is is trying to
Speaker 1: get over being star struck because you leave the green room,
Speaker 1: take it right, and then you're just in Howard Stern
Speaker 1: Stern's um studio. Then the next like a holy ship
Speaker 1: it is. So I've been listening toward Sar before I
Speaker 1: was a seal, and one of the first times I
Speaker 1: heard him was was was right when I was at
Speaker 1: my first day of butts. So it's the first three
Speaker 1: minutes is star struck. The second two minutes are you're
Speaker 1: sitting on the couch, how much dried seamen? Am I
Speaker 1: actually entering out? But and he's getting to the interview,
Speaker 1: he just and he's so good at getting you in
Speaker 1: the moment and then just hitting me with a you know,
Speaker 1: not a mud suck, but like a really cool question
Speaker 1: that no one's ever asked. Yeah, I loved it. I
Speaker 1: had a blast. I go back any time I was
Speaker 1: going to ask you about that. Because I'm originally from
Speaker 1: here in New York. Howard has always been a presence
Speaker 1: in New York. He's always been looked at as like
Speaker 1: this legendary radio personality in New York W and yeah
Speaker 1: and then and then to K rock and everything. So
Speaker 1: I was wondering, as a guy in Montana, it might
Speaker 1: be the stereotype I have in my head. But when
Speaker 1: you think of the people who hate Howard Stern, they
Speaker 1: tried to like ban him when his book is number
Speaker 1: one I think of like those people in Montana are
Speaker 1: are a lot of those people who are unfamiliar with him,
Speaker 1: and they see this man as the anti Yeah, because
Speaker 1: we didn't get him in Montana. We didn't get a
Speaker 1: lot of things. Yet when when I left Montana it
Speaker 1: was it was January not I mean like the internet
Speaker 1: had barely been invented, you know, um, and i'd heard
Speaker 1: of Howard Stern. Didn't really get a chance to fall
Speaker 1: and you can't constrain online. But when I got to Buds,
Speaker 1: someone was playing him. One of my four roommates was
Speaker 1: playing him, and I heard that voice that that I
Speaker 1: kind of voice something that guy's really good. Was like,
Speaker 1: that's Howard Sterning. So when I said I listened to
Speaker 1: him before Buds, I mean like five minutes before Bud started.
Speaker 1: Howard was honest. It was really cool. And then just
Speaker 1: to you went like little things looking back in life,
Speaker 1: life is just the blink of an eye. I'm listening
Speaker 1: to Howard Stern as an E two at Buds and
Speaker 1: uh having like my father's telling me keep journals because
Speaker 1: someday someone's gonna run and read your book. I'm never
Speaker 1: thinking I'm thinking who the Fox don't want to read
Speaker 1: my book? And I'd never in a million years, oh
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on that show. It's it's just crazy
Speaker 1: if you think back in times, like everything you're planning
Speaker 1: for life is what was happening around you as you're
Speaker 1: planning for something different. Never it never seemed to work
Speaker 1: out the way it does. But just weird, weird, weird.
Speaker 1: How small world? Would it be fair to say you've
Speaker 1: kind of become a regular there too? You did the
Speaker 1: wrap Up show several times because I've tuned in and there,
Speaker 1: I'm able to get in there once in a while.
Speaker 1: When they invited me to be on the wrap Up Show,
Speaker 1: which is really cool. Baba boys, all of the guys
Speaker 1: that worked that are awesome. My friend Tim Montana was
Speaker 1: on there and I went with him, And I've been
Speaker 1: there a few times just because I like to. I
Speaker 1: like to get in there and just kind of be
Speaker 1: there because if if stuff's going on, especially on you
Speaker 1: know radio that's NonStop, even like twenty four hour news
Speaker 1: cycle whatever, if you're there that they might invite you
Speaker 1: in just to talk for a few minutes and and
Speaker 1: anything that's serious. As you know, it just it's just
Speaker 1: fun to get on there. And that's also the thing
Speaker 1: about working in that building is like you never know
Speaker 1: who's just gonna run into around the whole way because
Speaker 1: all the shows are right there. Yeah, and it's I mean,
Speaker 1: Howard's got his own spot, but like everyone it's it's
Speaker 1: it's everyone's got a really cool studio always right there.
Speaker 1: The big thing with you can take the pictures. I've
Speaker 1: never been to Howard's spot, so I think that was
Speaker 1: part of his deal at this controls he gets that part. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he deserves it. And I mean you've done a
Speaker 1: ton of shows over there and then just media in general,
Speaker 1: and and I guess now you're getting time to just
Speaker 1: do other things that are important to you, as you said,
Speaker 1: working with Vats and yeah, the Foundation. You're a grateful
Speaker 1: nation that I started on getting to spend more time
Speaker 1: with because I got out of the Navy just under
Speaker 1: seventeen years. Didn't know what the hell I was gonna do,
Speaker 1: And it's scary for every veteran that gets out. Even
Speaker 1: if you retire, it's like, Okay, I'm getting what in
Speaker 1: my base pay, but the mortgage is going to be
Speaker 1: do every year now, So a lot of us don't
Speaker 1: know what they're qualified for. But it turns out the
Speaker 1: qualified for a lot more than they realize. And especially now,
Speaker 1: a lot of employers they don't want to hire a
Speaker 1: lot of people out of college because they have some
Speaker 1: worthless degrees based on on political correctness, something that nobody
Speaker 1: cares about, like it's radio somehow, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: like the very few you know, welders out there a
Speaker 1: few people with with with vote vocational, technical skills or whatever.
Speaker 1: So when when veterans and you're especially when you're here
Speaker 1: in New York, I feel like in Montana, it's probably
Speaker 1: a totally different. It's different. It's a different, it's different,
Speaker 1: but in a in a better way, you know, in
Speaker 1: that you're gonna do something that you can get a
Speaker 1: job right out of high school with. And that's important
Speaker 1: because those skills are going away. Just like when employers
Speaker 1: we're talking, we're talking major companies of every from every industry,
Speaker 1: they don't they would rather take someone with the skills
Speaker 1: of a special operator of a ranger. You know, uh,
Speaker 1: that that that that knows how to work as a
Speaker 1: team lead at a young age, have been leading up
Speaker 1: until retirement or close to retirement and the loyalty that
Speaker 1: comes with it. Like I do, I don't care personally
Speaker 1: about myself. I care about the mission of the team,
Speaker 1: and that's what a lot of these people bring. So
Speaker 1: I'm able to spend a lot more time explaining that
Speaker 1: what your grateful nation does to these industries, and it's individualized.
Speaker 1: So we'll we'll find out where the where the operator
Speaker 1: wants to work with city, which industry, and then we
Speaker 1: make the introduction and we can do like a nine
Speaker 1: or ten or twelve month um mentorship and then they
Speaker 1: hire them to like a major um managerial level position
Speaker 1: where they're managing major products, project projects. So I'm able
Speaker 1: to do more of that now that it's slow, it's
Speaker 1: slowed down a little for me. I've been able to
Speaker 1: I'm not jumping trying to get through every hoop right now.
Speaker 1: So it's um still busy, but I get I actually
Speaker 1: hired a green break colonel to run the foundation, Rob Carilla,
Speaker 1: because I just one of those typical Navy seal things.
Speaker 1: Well I'll get out and I'll sell sunglasses and I
Speaker 1: can run this company and blah blah blah terms out.
Speaker 1: You know, I was an enlisted shooter. I I might
Speaker 1: need a colonel to run this thing, which is actually true.
Speaker 1: It's's humbling. He's a great guy, so he's running it.
Speaker 1: And because his connections were getting a lot of army
Speaker 1: guys out um and again special operators right now, but
Speaker 1: hopefully we can expand to to everybody anyone that wants.
Speaker 1: I mean, we try to hook everyone up, and we're
Speaker 1: specializing in special operators right now. So it's your Grateful
Speaker 1: Nation dot org if you want to check that out,
Speaker 1: and cheation is see what they're doing. I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you about this, although I have no idea what
Speaker 1: you're allowed to say. Everybody who've seen it on the news,
Speaker 1: The Operator has been picked up as a possible movie
Speaker 1: from Lauren Michael's creator of a Stonel. I just want
Speaker 1: to hear all that I cannot comment on. I'm on
Speaker 1: the internet once in a while, so I've seen the story.
Speaker 1: I did get to watch a live snl um from
Speaker 1: like the green room Mary and my wife and I
Speaker 1: did get to go down there. So I've met Lauren
Speaker 1: Michaels and that that is cool. That's just a that's
Speaker 1: a I mean, if you can, Natalie Portman are nice
Speaker 1: so if you can, if you can, if you can
Speaker 1: put aside your politics and just enjoy, like very talented
Speaker 1: writers and very talented actors, um put on a show
Speaker 1: and oh man s and L is awesome. Well, whatever
Speaker 1: happens with it, I mean, I think people will be
Speaker 1: excited to watch it if if that is in the future,
Speaker 1: because the book was a huge success, is still charting
Speaker 1: high on Amazon and all that, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: changed a lot of people a lot. It would it
Speaker 1: would be interesting to see what it would be about,
Speaker 1: because there's been so many movies already about some of
Speaker 1: the stuff, some of the stuff my team did. I
Speaker 1: was wondering your opinion on that. Actually, do you think
Speaker 1: it's gotten oversaturated to a point, because you know, after
Speaker 1: a point where you've put out a book, Randon's put
Speaker 1: out a book, Marcus Latrelle and like all these things
Speaker 1: were huge successes at a certain point, there's kind of
Speaker 1: like a drop off from there. I don't I don't know,
Speaker 1: because there's so many different stories. I'm mentioned earlier that
Speaker 1: there's people out there with a much more dangerous job
Speaker 1: than than uh than I had, And that's the truth. Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we as navy seals were we're hitting point targets at
Speaker 1: night with night vision and on our terms. Think about
Speaker 1: the Marines and Helmet Province that are walking through mine
Speaker 1: fields that legitimately have friends get shot and killed blown up.
Speaker 1: I mean, those are stories. Every every every person has
Speaker 1: a story that I think people need to know for
Speaker 1: a number of reasons. One because you've got to realize
Speaker 1: that they're very small percentage of Americans and Coalition forces
Speaker 1: over there doing a job that most people wouldn't do.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter a lot of people that disagree
Speaker 1: with the where it's fine, they'll say that if you
Speaker 1: think you're fighting for freedom, you're wrong. It's not necessarily
Speaker 1: case because I do believe if we're over there fighting
Speaker 1: that that doesn't give them a time to to to
Speaker 1: to to rest and recover and attack because you know
Speaker 1: they're not going to forget about us. Um like the
Speaker 1: bin Line raid. There's more than twenty seven different stories
Speaker 1: about that, from the pilot, the co pilot, to the
Speaker 1: flight crew, was the dog handler, you know, the snipers,
Speaker 1: the ground force come out. I hope everybody tells their
Speaker 1: story because are are those guys interested in telling their story?
Speaker 1: From what I think they're coming around. We were working
Speaker 1: on a new exhibit in Lower Manhattan here um at
Speaker 1: the nine eleven Memorial, and it's it's going it should
Speaker 1: come out in a few months, and it's it's going
Speaker 1: to be the it's about the hunt for Bin Laden
Speaker 1: and it's it's hopefully gonna be not just the team,
Speaker 1: because there was so much more behind the scenes. It
Speaker 1: wasn't just It wasn't like, look at me, I'm the
Speaker 1: guy that turned a corner because of the guy in
Speaker 1: front of me, because of tactics invented by someone smarter
Speaker 1: than us, the pilots that got us there right, the
Speaker 1: intel that found it that the people that made the
Speaker 1: call up to President Obama, even though a lot of
Speaker 1: the listeners won't like that, President Obama gave the green lay,
Speaker 1: everyone in the in the Three Letter Agencies, everyone in
Speaker 1: the Cabinet, the people arguing between the Three Letter Agencies
Speaker 1: and the White House, Um, the JAYSK mccraven, Adam mccraven, um,
Speaker 1: there's so much. There's so much there that I mean,
Speaker 1: we're pretty happy that George Washington brought up by all
Speaker 1: for with him when he crossed the Delaware. Sure, I
Speaker 1: think that people in a hundred years would like to
Speaker 1: know how we found in Line and got him and
Speaker 1: hopefully there's another exhibit how we get homs have been
Speaker 1: lating here in the next year. You know what I
Speaker 1: was gonna, was gonna it is a nice segment. So
Speaker 1: next week on the show, we have C. J. Ramon
Speaker 1: coming on, who's like a huge friend of the show,
Speaker 1: bass player for the Ramons and so awesome. I was
Speaker 1: listening to the runs in the weight room today, so
Speaker 1: he's a former marine. Great dude. And he actually, uh,
Speaker 1: before he came on, he emailed the show because we
Speaker 1: did a Q and a Jack and I last episode
Speaker 1: that that went really well. Um, and he was like,
Speaker 1: are we gonna have to send Rob O'Neil over there
Speaker 1: to take it? Good to taken? No, I'm good, by
Speaker 1: the way, bass player of the Ramons. Well that's that's
Speaker 1: pretty cool right there. Um. No, you will hear me
Speaker 1: joke about it on Twitter. But there are people there
Speaker 1: in in in each branch that they are They are
Speaker 1: more capable than I would be at this point. Nice, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean if I could help, I would. I'm
Speaker 1: not going over there though. But you've been following this
Speaker 1: or yeah, I'm familiar with the story. I know what's
Speaker 1: happening there. I think you know, al Qaeda is one
Speaker 1: of those things where they're in the they're in the marathon,
Speaker 1: they're in the long game, and and they were probably
Speaker 1: happy with Isis because it gave them time to breathe
Speaker 1: even though the people over there in uh you know,
Speaker 1: the eastern part of Afghanistan and the airbase is doing
Speaker 1: drones strikes are concentrating. We we could we could shift there,
Speaker 1: and there's there's thousands of Alkaieda fighters out there that
Speaker 1: want to hit us again. And I'm in Azawa Harry
Speaker 1: who took over obviously for Osama bin Laden once once
Speaker 1: we got him. He's just not dynamic and he's not
Speaker 1: he's not even. He's nothing to listen to, and they
Speaker 1: don't we don't take him serious. He's he's a he's
Speaker 1: a doctor that from Egypt that blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Hams has got the name recognition, he's got the reasons. Um.
Speaker 1: He because he lost his first brother, Sayed bin Lad
Speaker 1: was killed in the drone striking I want to say
Speaker 1: two thousand nine. Obviously, his brother khalibin Lad was killed
Speaker 1: about nine seconds before his father, Osama bin Laden, and
Speaker 1: he's got the he's been he's been shaped for this
Speaker 1: and he's had the raining he was he was raised
Speaker 1: by the Iranians um, which is crazy to think about.
Speaker 1: But between the the sony Shia think and now he's
Speaker 1: he's about thirty, I think, and he's at the point
Speaker 1: where he could be the face for another rise of
Speaker 1: al Qaeda, which they don't really do in front of
Speaker 1: us like Isis did and they're not huge into the
Speaker 1: beheading videos there. My saying is that Isis wants to
Speaker 1: stab you in the front and cut your head off
Speaker 1: on television, and al Qaeda will stab you in the back.
Speaker 1: In ten years look at look at they hit the
Speaker 1: World Trade Center. They wanted to blow one up into
Speaker 1: the other. Well, they didn't succeed, but they didn't forget,
Speaker 1: and they came back in two thousand one, and they're
Speaker 1: gonna come back, and that's what this is kind of
Speaker 1: what they need. So fortunately we have men and women
Speaker 1: who are tracking him, and he's gonna get cocky and
Speaker 1: stick his head out and then I don't think it'll
Speaker 1: be across border type assault. I think it'll be a
Speaker 1: drone strike or something like that. It's interesting that you've
Speaker 1: kind of befriended people in the Trump family. I just
Speaker 1: see from your social media and all that. Do you
Speaker 1: ever give them like your take on what should be
Speaker 1: done foreign policy wise, because it's been in especially a
Speaker 1: lot of changes we've spoken about on the show with
Speaker 1: Maddis no longer in the administration, who I think people
Speaker 1: saw as less of an interventionist kind of guy as
Speaker 1: opposed to a John Bolton. You know, yeah, I I've
Speaker 1: gotten to know them well. I met Donald Trump when
Speaker 1: he was before he was a president. I met President
Speaker 1: Trump before he was a president because I was working
Speaker 1: with a a firm that represented a company that grooms
Speaker 1: uh women for Miss USA and he was running yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I got an opportunity to sort of host
Speaker 1: one of the smaller ones invited to the Miss USA pageant,
Speaker 1: and I met Donald invited to like all that's where
Speaker 1: you should do who you are, And so I met
Speaker 1: judging miss US first. I didn't judge that. I judged.
Speaker 1: I judged one of the like Satellite was sending one
Speaker 1: of them to to uh to the Miss USA pageant,
Speaker 1: but um uh, Donald Trump. When I first met him.
Speaker 1: He came into the room and just typical Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: I saw that said, hey, everybody, it's Donald Trump, one
Speaker 1: of the most important men in the room, and he
Speaker 1: just goes one of the most So that was funny.
Speaker 1: And I met him that way, and I met him
Speaker 1: a couple of times, and then when he initially decided
Speaker 1: to run to the presidency, he asked me to come
Speaker 1: endorse him, which is kind of a funny story because
Speaker 1: I was living in Dallas, and Dallas is obviously an
Speaker 1: hour behind New York and Donald Trump doesn't drink and
Speaker 1: I do. And so he called me at like six
Speaker 1: am his time on a Saturday was five hm my time,
Speaker 1: and I'm in I'm in uh my though, so he
Speaker 1: called and like we had a big night in Dallas.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm alone in my I'm in my guest
Speaker 1: room by myself, sleeping on top of the covers of
Speaker 1: my phone rings. I pick it up, was like, hey, Robs,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. I'm like, seriously, funk off and hung up
Speaker 1: because I didn't think it was real. I thought it
Speaker 1: was like my neighbor. Then he called back and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want you to come up and endorse me. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna run for president, I said, I got nothing
Speaker 1: better to do. On Saturday, I went up. Did you
Speaker 1: realize it was really No? I knew it was on
Speaker 1: the second on the second call because he was pulling
Speaker 1: one of his class moves where he's got the speaker
Speaker 1: phone out and he's got like three people in his
Speaker 1: office so they can hear who he's calling. He does
Speaker 1: it with Tom Brady all the time. Guys go to um.
Speaker 1: But so that I went up there just to check
Speaker 1: it out. And I didn't officially endorse him, just because
Speaker 1: you know, I know, I know he's gonna say stuff
Speaker 1: I don't agree with and I don't want to be
Speaker 1: on that side of it. But um, you know, I
Speaker 1: I've known him for a while. I've been to the
Speaker 1: White House with dinner. Um. I he spoke at one
Speaker 1: of my wife's events and I talked to him there,
Speaker 1: and I know Donald Trump Junior well, and UM yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't. I don't per se give them
Speaker 1: foreign policy advice. I mean I've I've you know, they'll
Speaker 1: see what I say on Twitter, and I agree with
Speaker 1: him a lot and I disagree with him like the
Speaker 1: military parade thing I was, I was big against against that.
Speaker 1: We don't need that. That's that's not a good idea,
Speaker 1: and here's why. And I kind of would say it,
Speaker 1: but they don't. Really. I'm not in the cabinet by
Speaker 1: any means, but I would think he would value, you know,
Speaker 1: the advice of someone like you, who's been there, who's
Speaker 1: done that, who's lived the wife of an operator how
Speaker 1: many years it's almost seventeen, Yeah, I mean, I would
Speaker 1: hope a valuable opinion. It seems like once you get
Speaker 1: to a certain level of even officers, especially at the
Speaker 1: general officer level, when you get to this between oh six,
Speaker 1: oh seven and then, um, I think that they stopped
Speaker 1: worrying about what the people on the ground think and
Speaker 1: start worrying about politics. Because there are a lot of
Speaker 1: people on the ground, even junior officers, I don't mean
Speaker 1: even junior offers three and and and oh four and
Speaker 1: then the like eight nine that they don't they don't want,
Speaker 1: they don't listen to them anymore. Even though we could
Speaker 1: have won a lot of these things simply by listening
Speaker 1: to people on the ground, we wouldn't be in the
Speaker 1: spot we're in now in Afghanistan if we would have
Speaker 1: listened to what guys on the ground we're saying. In
Speaker 1: two thousand five, just there was I had I had
Speaker 1: a Navy seal admiral when I saiggest as something in
Speaker 1: a meeting, say, I said something about I E. D
Speaker 1: s and suicide bombers. He said, there's no such thing
Speaker 1: as I E. D S and suicide bombers in Afghanistan,
Speaker 1: which was true then. But we're like, we know that, sir,
Speaker 1: but there will be Yeah, well there won't be. Like well, yeah,
Speaker 1: but there will be, but there won't. Yeah, okay, sir,
Speaker 1: there will be. And then look who we have now. Now,
Speaker 1: now you you get enough high ranking officers, politicians and
Speaker 1: lawyer is involved, you get a situation like Afghanistan like okay,
Speaker 1: what do we what are we supposed to do? Now? Well,
Speaker 1: you know what's interesting is that now we have people
Speaker 1: in a position of authority in Congress like Dan Crenshaw
Speaker 1: have seen the same thing as you've seen. I was
Speaker 1: wondering your take on on how he feels about foreign
Speaker 1: policy as well as yours, because one thing I've learned
Speaker 1: from doing this show is that not just the military,
Speaker 1: but the special operations world in general is definitely not
Speaker 1: a monolith. Like when he was on with Jack Murphy
Speaker 1: and I they vehemently disagreed on foreign policy. You know,
Speaker 1: Jack is a guy who who says like, are we
Speaker 1: gonna be in these nations forever? You know? And uh
Speaker 1: Dan Crenshaw on the show was saying, look, we've been
Speaker 1: in Germany for how many years we've been in Japan?
Speaker 1: You know, maybe we do have to have a long
Speaker 1: term presence in Iraq and Afghanistan. And these guys disagreed
Speaker 1: on that type of stuff. I was want, do you Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't speak for either one of those two. I
Speaker 1: can see pretty much both sides. But it's it's very different,
Speaker 1: um staying in Nazi Germany than it is in Afghana. Stand,
Speaker 1: there's a different there's a in Germany. It's almost like
Speaker 1: the German people who knew what happened and then they
Speaker 1: kind of they want to they want to try to
Speaker 1: rebuild and help Afghanistan were now invaders. And the ideology
Speaker 1: that we're fighting isn't going to be won by by
Speaker 1: marines driving humbes through the three highways in Afghanistan. And
Speaker 1: I mean now we're trying to apparently make peace with
Speaker 1: the Taliban, which makes people say why did we even
Speaker 1: go in the first place. Well, I mean, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: look at John Walker Lens getting out of prison in May.
Speaker 1: It's just gonna release him to Ireland. Like he's an
Speaker 1: American talent and he city was associated when he's shooting
Speaker 1: at those guys you know Dan, well he was Um
Speaker 1: he should have been executed years ago. Um. Just we
Speaker 1: with the thing, I think the only other than this
Speaker 1: city of New York. The problem is people keep forgetting
Speaker 1: to never forget and negotiating with the talent. I mean,
Speaker 1: that could have worked. As soon as we crushed al
Speaker 1: Qaeda and as soon as they went to Pakistan could
Speaker 1: have worked. It's it's it's the same thing with the
Speaker 1: Bath party in Iraq. It's like, what do you do
Speaker 1: when you find the Saddam Judi and Cus are out
Speaker 1: of the They're out of there, but they're hidden. Now,
Speaker 1: you keep the military at place, let them run their thing,
Speaker 1: and then we'll find them eventually. With the Taliban. The Taliban,
Speaker 1: first of all, if they thought we were serious, they
Speaker 1: would have given us been lat They don't want any
Speaker 1: they don't want anyone any foreigners, including al Qaeda in
Speaker 1: in there. Now we are going to renegotiate, and they're
Speaker 1: gonna do the same stuff they did when when the
Speaker 1: Soviets left. You know, they're gonna tell the people they're back,
Speaker 1: they're gonna live under light, Sharia whatever, and then as
Speaker 1: soon then they're gonna just start turning the screws again.
Speaker 1: The pruption will come back again. It's but so we
Speaker 1: stay there, I mean, what are we gonna just keep
Speaker 1: building schools to get blown up by them, keep getting
Speaker 1: people killed for no reason and having people on the ground,
Speaker 1: just say, do do the minimum amount you can to
Speaker 1: make sure you and your friends get home. There's there's nothing,
Speaker 1: There's nothing there. I mean what I mean what I
Speaker 1: think we should do in Afghanistan. As you keep a
Speaker 1: presence in Bogram at the airfield, so it's like it's
Speaker 1: almost like a carrier. But you know, you have you
Speaker 1: have the pilots there. If and when training camps get rebuilt,
Speaker 1: you bomb them and then you can have the pilots.
Speaker 1: Haven't green being coffee in a few hours anyway, Um,
Speaker 1: keep keep the skeletal government in cobble with you know,
Speaker 1: some diplomats and obviously security force, and then probably stuff
Speaker 1: in places like Jelalabad for the cross border UM operation.
Speaker 1: When you hit the drones strikes for senior level, I'll
Speaker 1: kainda guys. And and if you know, if you've never
Speaker 1: been in Jelalabad, uh, I have not the face they
Speaker 1: have over there. It's like going to a European resort.
Speaker 1: I have heard that in the show actually um Sean
Speaker 1: Parnell was talking all about that on the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty impressive about how he was just saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, being a guy on the ground doing the work,
Speaker 1: then going back there, it's unbelievable. Like where am I? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a personal showers, your personal room. They got a
Speaker 1: bar with a dance floor on some of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: according to Sean Parnell on the podcast, Yeah, you could
Speaker 1: get a full wax And he was like a guy
Speaker 1: he was serving with said I'm gonna get waxed. And
Speaker 1: it's just a funny story. That was really funny, And
Speaker 1: Sean Partnell was like why And then he was just
Speaker 1: thinking that this He's like, we're in the middle of
Speaker 1: you know, supposedly in the combat. Yeah, and and this
Speaker 1: guy wants to get his dick waxed. That's pretty funny.
Speaker 1: And anything. Any story with a full wax is good.
Speaker 1: I don't really care what part of the world you're in.
Speaker 1: He's a funny it's oh yeah, yeah, I know Sean
Speaker 1: Um it's he's got a great book too. Yes, I'll
Speaker 1: love tune. Right, Yeah, he's got too, he's got another one. Okay,
Speaker 1: I thought military didn't write books. I got a lot
Speaker 1: of ship for that. Yeah, I'm de probably just talked
Speaker 1: about the same I'm the only one who's ever written
Speaker 1: a book. According to Brandon, like guys who gave him
Speaker 1: ship for writing a book. Yeah, so of course they will. Well,
Speaker 1: I've guys that gave me ship that they get out
Speaker 1: and like, hey, how do I get on the speaker circuit?
Speaker 1: And when do I starting? How much do I get paid?
Speaker 1: Type ship? It's like, oh, we're good now. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: it's just it's the bubble. It's the it's the bubble
Speaker 1: of being in the teams, being in the military, where
Speaker 1: you're there. I explained to people, Look, when you're in
Speaker 1: high school and that girl breaks you heart in high
Speaker 1: school is the most important thing in your life. It's
Speaker 1: the most important thing in your life until it ends,
Speaker 1: and it ends, and then you go to college, and
Speaker 1: college is the most important thing in your life, nothing
Speaker 1: like and then it ends. And so like with the Navy.
Speaker 1: You join the Navy, you're in the teams, you're here,
Speaker 1: you're it's the greatest, and then it ends. And as
Speaker 1: soon as you leave, the Navy does not care about you,
Speaker 1: and they're not paying the bills. And that's the realization.
Speaker 1: The bubbles there um, long live the brotherhood, all that
Speaker 1: good stuff. But your mortgages do again. I was I
Speaker 1: love to tell people, Yeah, you tell me about the
Speaker 1: silent professional the day after your first mortgage payment after
Speaker 1: you got out of the military. Well, since we're talking
Speaker 1: about this, Brandon actually wanted me to bring it up
Speaker 1: with you, and it was something he wanted to get
Speaker 1: in with you. But as you know, Brandon is apparently
Speaker 1: important traveling everywhere. But he was saying, um, you know,
Speaker 1: and you've heard him talk about this, but these guys
Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram who like attack other guys in
Speaker 1: the community. We all know about Brandon's kind of feud
Speaker 1: with Chris Osmond and that type of thing, and he
Speaker 1: just feels like it's a bad look for the community,
Speaker 1: setting a bad example. And I just wanted to get
Speaker 1: your take on that. Well, my take is, first of all,
Speaker 1: what is it? What? What is it? What are you
Speaker 1: getting out of it? Other than if you're attacking someone else,
Speaker 1: what are you getting out of it? Nothing? And you're
Speaker 1: spreading negativity And again being in the bubble, you've got
Speaker 1: to realize when you get to a public a platform,
Speaker 1: it's not just your guys watching you. It's not just
Speaker 1: other Navy seals or other other green Bray's world. It's
Speaker 1: a there's there's a lot of potential like this. It
Speaker 1: could affect recruiting. There's there's fourteen year old boys out
Speaker 1: there watching this and they want to see something. Not
Speaker 1: that they want to, but they should be seeing something else,
Speaker 1: not this this petty whatever it is that I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean I I try not to engage in it.
Speaker 1: A couple of cocktails and you know, I might have
Speaker 1: with some people, but but it there's no reason to
Speaker 1: eat your own I don't. I don't think successful people
Speaker 1: want to see other people succeed. And I think part
Speaker 1: of the problem is, um some people must be upset
Speaker 1: with decisions they made in the past and they're taking
Speaker 1: out on other people or something like that. But I
Speaker 1: see no need for jealousy. Jealousy is just a weird
Speaker 1: reflection on yourself. And we know when I see people succeed,
Speaker 1: it's great. Good for you for sure, because you're You're
Speaker 1: a guy who has succeeded so well, the guy that
Speaker 1: succeeded because of other guys, and that was at a
Speaker 1: position where I could go to This is where I
Speaker 1: learned it. I would go to Seal Team six every
Speaker 1: day and work with people who were better than me,
Speaker 1: and instead of being jealous and trying to undermine them,
Speaker 1: what is what habits is that guy doing? Why is
Speaker 1: he so good at this? How how is he getting
Speaker 1: to the draw so quick? Why is he moving to
Speaker 1: the house so smooth? What can I do too? I
Speaker 1: want to beat him, yes, but I'm not gonna just
Speaker 1: undermine it. I'm not gonna try to drag him down
Speaker 1: to my level. I'm trying to get up to his
Speaker 1: for sure. Um. I wanted to ask you as well.
Speaker 1: I had Kristen Beck in here and asked her about it.
Speaker 1: I I don't know if you know Jake's wig is
Speaker 1: also a former steal I'm I'm familiar with Jake, and
Speaker 1: I think I met him like twice when he was
Speaker 1: a Team eight. I think cool, Yeah, great guy. I
Speaker 1: asked him his take. He's a he's a tough guy too.
Speaker 1: By the way, I first, I haven't ever seen I've
Speaker 1: heard stories and I've seen him physicalist. He's he's he's
Speaker 1: pretty impressive about the Top Shot stuff, like allegedly from
Speaker 1: what I heard, you know, he had a really bad
Speaker 1: image on on Top Shot. It's like the villain of
Speaker 1: that show. But from yeah, what I heard actually you
Speaker 1: know behind the scenes stuff is that Jake was winning
Speaker 1: every single contest and they were like, we can't have
Speaker 1: this guy winning everything, and they were giving him guns
Speaker 1: that don't work, and he's want to what assholes not him?
Speaker 1: So yeah, um so anyway back to what I was asking, Uh,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, pretty crazy story. But yeah, so I asked Jake,
Speaker 1: I asked Christen, wanted to get your take as well
Speaker 1: on what's you know, happening with Chief Eddie Gallagher. And
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of different um sides to this,
Speaker 1: I think because the guy's accusing Chief Eddie Gallagher of
Speaker 1: war crimes are are also seals, and and there's been
Speaker 1: you know, questioning what's the motive and and also what
Speaker 1: did he do. I would question the motive. First. I
Speaker 1: was not there for any of this, and I've never
Speaker 1: met Chief Gallagher. Um, if we're at a position where
Speaker 1: our own guys in a combat zone or turning in
Speaker 1: their guys, that's a sad state of affairs right there.
Speaker 1: That's that's something that should be handled internally, and then
Speaker 1: the leadership inside of their should handle it. Some of
Speaker 1: the accusations I've heard, whether he was ran codomly shooting
Speaker 1: people all the time, and he was upsetting his junior guys.
Speaker 1: I've been a combat You are not allowed to randomly
Speaker 1: shoot civilians anywhere. You can't just get away with it.
Speaker 1: That's not gonna happen. I mean, it's just it won't happen,
Speaker 1: just based on based on all the technology that we have. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I've heard that he was running his guys
Speaker 1: too hard and something like that. And then uh, I mean, see,
Speaker 1: there's all these rumors, and I hate the rumors because
Speaker 1: you don't know what's true. There was the rumors on
Speaker 1: they say, well on social media, of him with a
Speaker 1: decapitated head, which I'm pretty sure by now we would
Speaker 1: have seen, right, It's not I don't I haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: but they're saying that stuff. And then and then with um,
Speaker 1: n c I S is all over him. And the
Speaker 1: biggest problem with n c I S is they made
Speaker 1: a really good show about n c I S. So
Speaker 1: they think they're cool in there, and they're I mean,
Speaker 1: they're they're, they're they're I can't even talk about them.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get anything on the record. They're
Speaker 1: they're pretty much disgusting. They're trying to they're trying to
Speaker 1: convict our own guys. So um, um, he's got a
Speaker 1: problem with n c I S. And I guess again,
Speaker 1: rumor mill I don't want to start anything there there
Speaker 1: they they they were a fraid of retributions from him,
Speaker 1: so they locked him. And now he's been in how
Speaker 1: long has been locked up seven months now a lot
Speaker 1: and so it'll be it'll be over over half a
Speaker 1: year when he gets his first day in court that
Speaker 1: he's been locked up in general population with convicted sex offenders.
Speaker 1: Um and he and I mean not saying that he's
Speaker 1: in danger of that, but like, these are horrible people,
Speaker 1: and they've got Chief Gallagher, who I consider a hero,
Speaker 1: you know, at the at the at at the at
Speaker 1: the least and a defender of of not only these guys,
Speaker 1: but of our country. And now he's he's being treated
Speaker 1: like a criminal evenly hasn't had his dayn court yet.
Speaker 1: It's it's a shame. He should be with his family.
Speaker 1: Look what Look what they're doing to his family. That
Speaker 1: the raid on the house to get him out, you know,
Speaker 1: or or pulling the kids out. What just horrible stuff
Speaker 1: they're doing. He should at least he should, I mean,
Speaker 1: if anything, he should be a house arrest or something.
Speaker 1: But he's he's in a break and wearing meromor I
Speaker 1: wish I knew more about it right right now, but
Speaker 1: it's just I don't I don't like it. No, I
Speaker 1: I hear you. And it's something we've discussed on the
Speaker 1: podcast at length. Jack Murphy though is talked about it.
Speaker 1: It's been written about it, you know the News rep
Speaker 1: dot com. And the thing that Jack said to Jake,
Speaker 1: and they see him to be somewhat on opposing side,
Speaker 1: and this was let's say these accusations are true, that
Speaker 1: he's murdering you know, children with hatchets and and this
Speaker 1: type of thing that was mentioned. Is this who we
Speaker 1: are and and you know, should you not out guys
Speaker 1: for doing that type of thing? And you know, Jake
Speaker 1: talked about the savagery that isis has done of murdering pilots,
Speaker 1: you know, in cages, but Jack's rebottled of that. On
Speaker 1: the show that we did with him, was you know,
Speaker 1: are we just going to be doing the same. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's it's one thing to be murdering kids with hatchets,
Speaker 1: it's another thing to be accused of murdering kids with hatchets.
Speaker 1: It just it's getting, it's getting. There's no proof of
Speaker 1: any of this. And I'm serious when I say that
Speaker 1: if you're doing this, someone's someone's gonna say something. You're
Speaker 1: gonna stop, You're gonna get pull off the battlefield. So
Speaker 1: why do you think these seals came out and did this?
Speaker 1: I I don't. I can't even speculate. Uh, they obviously
Speaker 1: have a bone to pick. And I've you know again,
Speaker 1: I hate the rumors because I've having been places where
Speaker 1: people weren't but they make judgment. Kind of makes me
Speaker 1: hesitant to say to say anything. But it just sounds
Speaker 1: like of a not a rivalry, but just uh, they
Speaker 1: don't like them. And I've heard whisper campaigns and crap
Speaker 1: like that. So I don't know. I wish I was.
Speaker 1: I wish you would get quicker day in court with
Speaker 1: evidence because it's it's just not regardless, it's a shame.
Speaker 1: What's happening to him right now? Yeah, I don't like it. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. Um. I I do see both
Speaker 1: sides on on you know, some level. The thing that's
Speaker 1: just interesting though, is like I said that the two guys,
Speaker 1: it's two guys right accusing him. I don't even know
Speaker 1: that I can look, yeah, but we can both check out.
Speaker 1: But yeah, when I when I just see that these
Speaker 1: guys are former seals, you know, it's not it's not
Speaker 1: like it's at top level of the military going after seals.
Speaker 1: It's seals going after fellows. And you can't do that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta you gotta maintain the trust, especially
Speaker 1: in a combat zone like that, and they shouldn't be
Speaker 1: doing that. Uh So I was wondering some other stuff
Speaker 1: that we could hit on here. Oh you know what
Speaker 1: you brought up before, Tim Montana. You were in his
Speaker 1: video for the one that which would We filmed the
Speaker 1: video a couple of years ago that you need to
Speaker 1: check out on YouTube called hill Billy Rich. Yes, we
Speaker 1: talked about that. I think Hillbilly Rich is um. I
Speaker 1: think it's his best song. It's definitely his best video
Speaker 1: that's out right now because yeah, I mean no, it's
Speaker 1: just a cool video. We had a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: going on. Rolls Royce, uh, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, cheerleaders, mansions, helicopters,
Speaker 1: very fun and you get fast food right well, yeah,
Speaker 1: two guys from Montana. If you steal uh a Rolls
Speaker 1: Royce Wraith, you're gonna go to You're gonna go to
Speaker 1: Checkerburder right off the bat. Nice plug by the way.
Speaker 1: I like that if you're listening. Um so, then he
Speaker 1: just filmed one in in our hometown of Butte, Montana
Speaker 1: with a bunch of locals. It's a total blue collar
Speaker 1: uh song. We we feature first responders, costs, firefighters, miners, welders.
Speaker 1: My father is in it. He made a cameo for
Speaker 1: on My Behalf. He's hold my my red buds helmet
Speaker 1: for third phase and that's called American Threat and that's
Speaker 1: just becoming a kind of It's it's slowly I think
Speaker 1: it got. It got top twenty on on on iTunes
Speaker 1: and so American threads out there right now. We're checking
Speaker 1: out great song and then we we just finished filming
Speaker 1: when in Nashville. Um, that actually Charlie Sheen directed, which
Speaker 1: is cool, and that one's called Mostly Stone. How did
Speaker 1: that happen? How did Charlie Sheen? I mean, how do
Speaker 1: you even get in touch with I introduced Charlie and
Speaker 1: Tim maybe a year ago and I met I met
Speaker 1: Charlie through my father because of something with the r
Speaker 1: j O apparel stuff. Charlie's got a hatless plug. If
Speaker 1: you're watching on you get one of those Robert ja
Speaker 1: O'Neil dot com. Also there's also personalized signed books stuf,
Speaker 1: so we will say we'll send you one today. Um um,
Speaker 1: yeah something out. Charlie and I got introduced through that.
Speaker 1: And then he invited me to dinner at his house.
Speaker 1: So I've been been to his house a few days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's cool. And then he's he came, he came out here,
Speaker 1: he brought me to he did the show with Andy
Speaker 1: Cohen for um something. We just went we came went
Speaker 1: to dinner here at um Uncle Jack stay, I'm dropping
Speaker 1: some names. Um, so we're doing all this, and I'd say, what,
Speaker 1: you haven't really seen PAPARAZZI, tell you hang out Charlie
Speaker 1: she in New York. It's pretty funny. It's funny because
Speaker 1: we're inside sip and scotch having red wine, and I
Speaker 1: don't assume getting walking out into Sunlight's just stuff everywhere.
Speaker 1: And to be fair, it's also because of who you are.
Speaker 1: I don't know Charlie. Charlie's got a bigger following, of course,
Speaker 1: but it's also just a weird meeting between Charlie Sheen
Speaker 1: and your background. It's it's it is weird, and and
Speaker 1: he's funny. He calls it some cosmic collection of however,
Speaker 1: Charlie talks type and so I introduced. I introduced. I
Speaker 1: sent Charlie Um the video Hill Billy Rich and he
Speaker 1: he just called it, h what did he call it? Uh? Um?
Speaker 1: What did he call that? Uh? He called it something
Speaker 1: a classic, but it was it was a lot cooler
Speaker 1: than what I'm what I'm saying, but a cold, cold,
Speaker 1: hard classic. So he tweeted that out and that I
Speaker 1: introduced them. Timmy went out to to the to their
Speaker 1: and they decided that he wanted to direct the music video.
Speaker 1: So Charlie flew out to Nashville and the songs. It's
Speaker 1: called mostly Stoned and it's being released on four twenty,
Speaker 1: which is appropriate, I think. And it's just a really
Speaker 1: I've seen the video. Um, it's not released yet, but
Speaker 1: i've the whole thing. He Charlie is a really talented
Speaker 1: guy and he's got some great vision and just the
Speaker 1: whole videos is, uh, it's excellent. It's it's it's good.
Speaker 1: So I was on Crispy's in it um if you
Speaker 1: follow him on on Insta, and then Timmy obviously, and
Speaker 1: he actually brought out the uh, the red convertible from
Speaker 1: the movie Navy Seals as a surprise to Tim and
Speaker 1: it's as a Montana plate said em stoned and so
Speaker 1: that that's in the video too. It's were you a
Speaker 1: fan of the Navy Seals? Yeah, oh yeah, I saw
Speaker 1: it as soon as it came out. It's so crazy
Speaker 1: because I feel like every Seal comes on the show
Speaker 1: is like a fane of yeah movies. Also, Drago has
Speaker 1: said before that the reason he joined the Seal because
Speaker 1: the Navy Seals. You know that the bar in Virginia
Speaker 1: Beach called the Ready Room, um, and that's less than
Speaker 1: a mile from where I lived in Virginia Beach. That's
Speaker 1: that's in the movie Navy Seals. So I was boy,
Speaker 1: that was I'm with fifteen years old watching a movie
Speaker 1: with my future friend in a bar that I will
Speaker 1: hang out in. It's in one of those crazy, smallest
Speaker 1: full circle type things. Yeah. So I liked the movie.
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to join, but I did like the movie.
Speaker 1: I thought it was I thought it was cool. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't decide for another five years after that movie
Speaker 1: came out that I was going to join. That's that's crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But you know, I feel like the consensus has always been, oh,
Speaker 1: the movie is really cheesy. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I loved it was cheesy. That's supposed to be. It's awesome.
Speaker 1: But the guy that's um that did the jump off
Speaker 1: the bridge in the movie Navy Seals, he was out
Speaker 1: there with us too. That's it's been Charlie's um um
Speaker 1: stunt man for the whole time. I'm excited for Top
Speaker 1: Gun two when that comes out. How about that is? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because obviously it could be terrible. It's gonna go one
Speaker 1: or two ways. Super Troopers two was I liked it, Okay,
Speaker 1: I was worried about that. So, I mean top you
Speaker 1: know they were gonna make a Forest Gump sequel. I
Speaker 1: did not know that that's a true story. Um they
Speaker 1: I think they handed in the script on September two
Speaker 1: thousand one, and obviously the next day, and they decided
Speaker 1: that this movie doesn't matter anymore. I'm not making that up.
Speaker 1: I would think the the appeal to have a Top
Speaker 1: Gun too is like we because I know, Top Gun
Speaker 1: was like a military recruitment tool on some level, and
Speaker 1: all the movies coming out now, unfortunately, because we've been
Speaker 1: at war for so many years, they're like these very
Speaker 1: tragic stories of uh, you know guys like, uh wow,
Speaker 1: why I'm why am I drawing a blank? Here? Chris
Speaker 1: uh Kyle? Chris Kyle? Sorry? How am I? How am
Speaker 1: I drawing a blank? And christ Um Yeah, no, So
Speaker 1: you know the stories of Chris Kyle, the stories of
Speaker 1: Marcus Latrelle. These are really crazy stories in Chris Kyle's case,
Speaker 1: tragic stories. And I feel like Top Gun was just
Speaker 1: a fun movie recruitment tool for this even even the
Speaker 1: even the bad guys in Top Gun, they had the
Speaker 1: dark mass. We don't know what's country they're from. Could
Speaker 1: be China, could be Russia, could be whatever, Seria, who
Speaker 1: knows what it was. But now it's I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: assuming top gun's gotta be something like carrier guys hitting
Speaker 1: targets in Afghanistas. Something like that's gonna be interesting to see.
Speaker 1: So they're so old now they could never know. I
Speaker 1: don't know what they're gonna they'll figure it out. We
Speaker 1: were we were actually at the ready room, and this
Speaker 1: is another I just thought of. This was a top gun.
Speaker 1: Another funny story because the ready room is right by
Speaker 1: Damn Nick. But Damn Nick is an annex of Oceania,
Speaker 1: which is a Master Jet base, which is where all
Speaker 1: the f A teams are. So we're at the ready
Speaker 1: room and there was some pilots in there, and you know,
Speaker 1: young cocky pilots and there's young cocky Navy seals talking
Speaker 1: to each other and they said they were talking about
Speaker 1: something about the coolest job in the Navy. And one
Speaker 1: of the one of my buddies, said to the pilot,
Speaker 1: he said, you know, damn well, there are no uh,
Speaker 1: there are no tom cruises in the Navy. But we
Speaker 1: got plenty chairlie sheets inside that was kind of funny. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just thought of that. I wanted to ask you
Speaker 1: before you wrap up, because you're another guy like me
Speaker 1: who's uh And I know from reading your book Into
Speaker 1: Metal into hip Hop on your Instagram that you'll be
Speaker 1: wearing like an Onyx hoodie. Oh yeah, you love like
Speaker 1: the nineties hip hop I got. I got the Onyx
Speaker 1: hoodie from Onyx based on a post in my Wu
Speaker 1: Tang shirt they saw. I'm like, so this could work,
Speaker 1: this influencing on social media, ship could work. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know that, and there's great stories. So here's what I
Speaker 1: was gonna ask you for me. I mean, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: thirty two years old, so I'm younger than you, but
Speaker 1: I still was around when like that nineties hip hop
Speaker 1: was a big thing. I got into music very young.
Speaker 1: I grew up in on Long Island, right near Queens
Speaker 1: and it was like you couldn't go anywhere without here,
Speaker 1: you know, cannabis, l oh, cool j Wu Tang clan, Onyx,
Speaker 1: like I could go on the list, you know, cool
Speaker 1: g rap nas for you. Growing up in Montana was
Speaker 1: like a weird thing to be into. No no, because
Speaker 1: um I so we're talking right you know, early um
Speaker 1: we I was. I played basketball and I hung out
Speaker 1: with the basketball crowd, and even though we're all white guys,
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask. It was like, are there black you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It obviously mostly mostly white. Um. But because we played
Speaker 1: basketball and because we were watching like the Pistons, the Bulls,
Speaker 1: it was okay for us to listen to hip hop.
Speaker 1: So I remember when when Snoop came out with dre
Speaker 1: Um and you know, UM, so we would listen to
Speaker 1: that a lot of ice cubes, you know, a midnight
Speaker 1: iced tea. So it was okay for us because we
Speaker 1: we didn't know what fucking dorics we were, but that's
Speaker 1: how I and I would I remember I actually went
Speaker 1: back to the house I grew up in maybe a
Speaker 1: month ago, to the hoop I used to shoot on.
Speaker 1: I remember listening to UM to Onyx out there, you know,
Speaker 1: with my shitty little headphones before like a like a
Speaker 1: walkman and all that stuff. It's just it's funny, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I love all of it, like, you know, everything
Speaker 1: from from you know on one end you got Sticky
Speaker 1: Fingers and Onyx too, to Tim Montana over here that
Speaker 1: you got you know, metallic has been around forever, and
Speaker 1: I'm a big Demon Hunter fan. It's like there's not
Speaker 1: just you know, just don't don't limit yourself the thing
Speaker 1: I love and it's okay for white guys listening. Yes,
Speaker 1: I agree, of course. And you know what I feel
Speaker 1: like in New York it's like a given that's okay.
Speaker 1: I think the rest of the country it's I don't know,
Speaker 1: but um. The thing I love about Onyx is like
Speaker 1: when I'm lifting, when I'm working out, I'm listening to
Speaker 1: mostly metal. To me, Onyx is comparable to that in
Speaker 1: its heaviness. It's such angry music, like the way he
Speaker 1: sticks later a star reps. It's just he's been he's
Speaker 1: been angry forever. Yeah. You know. You know who's still
Speaker 1: around that I'm following on Instagram is a Cypress Hill
Speaker 1: and they're still crushing amazing. Yeah. No, you know what
Speaker 1: I was gonna tell you. And I still don't know
Speaker 1: if that lead singers white or black. I think he
Speaker 1: might be mixed, don't might be real. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: because I was saying nowadays the stuff he was saying,
Speaker 1: some of the words he was using in the nineties,
Speaker 1: is it still cool? Friend? And says I don't think
Speaker 1: he's white though. I think he's I think he's mixed
Speaker 1: or he's good bad um. But it was funny because
Speaker 1: we're talking about music. I was gonna tell you if
Speaker 1: you look behind here, which is where you signed, and
Speaker 1: you signed right over there where the guys that never quit.
Speaker 1: So a lot more guys have signed since you've been here.
Speaker 1: I had my friend Sean the Butcher, who's a DJ
Speaker 1: on Serious X and Liquid Metals, signed that. So you've
Speaker 1: shown the Butcher right, Yeah, I love the Only Easy
Speaker 1: Days Yes Day. And he's asking me about all these signatures.
Speaker 1: He's like, who's that. Oh that's Scott Kelly Um, retired
Speaker 1: US astronauts, spent the most days in space. Oh that's
Speaker 1: that's Rob O'Neil has been a lading shooter. And then
Speaker 1: he looks at himself. He's like, god, I fucking suck.
Speaker 1: So it was fun having him in. I had him
Speaker 1: on with Pat McNamara and we just talked about all
Speaker 1: because Pat is like, I was gonna ask you a
Speaker 1: few random questions. I actually wrote down here in terms
Speaker 1: of music, we'll do one metal and one hip hop one,
Speaker 1: and then we'll we'll wrap up here. But Tupac or Biggie.
Speaker 1: That is a tough one. Right right now it's Biggie,
Speaker 1: but a year ago it would have been Tupac, because
Speaker 1: I go back and forth. That's a tough one. It's
Speaker 1: crazy to think how young they were too. I'm going
Speaker 1: I'm going big okay, and the full discography like that
Speaker 1: they put out, you know, I mean, I think twenty four.
Speaker 1: It's just crazy to me the amount of music they
Speaker 1: put out at that young age. Yeah. Um, and then
Speaker 1: of the Big four mattal A, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax. Okay,
Speaker 1: I agree with you on now on because I feel
Speaker 1: like Metallica. I love a lot of Slayer stuff, a
Speaker 1: lot of Megadeth stuff, but Metallica probably has like the
Speaker 1: best catalog. Yeah, well they do, they do, and and
Speaker 1: again you gotta keep politics out of everything. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just the lungevity. They're all, they're all, They're all
Speaker 1: around the um. I have an awesome picture of to
Speaker 1: just to totally name drop of my mom. We were
Speaker 1: backstage at a Jim Jeffreys concert with my mom. Jim
Speaker 1: Jeffre's comedian and the lead nice. Yeah that was pretty Chimariah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the thing all lead guitars. Sorry, carry king bald dude
Speaker 1: with all the sorry that. Yeah, so I think they're retiring.
Speaker 1: I think they're still like doing a few more shows.
Speaker 1: It's like this long retirement tour and then they're done.
Speaker 1: Supposedly Kisses retiring. Yeah that kiss said they were retiring.
Speaker 1: I am. I'm actually going tomorrow. And the the embarrassing
Speaker 1: thing though, is and watching like, dude, Paul Stanley is
Speaker 1: up there lip singing. Yeah, dude, it's it's very obvious
Speaker 1: and it's well, they've been at it since. It's said
Speaker 1: to see though, man like I understand a little backing
Speaker 1: track here there, like I want to there's perform. There's
Speaker 1: no way he still has that voice though, Yeah, no
Speaker 1: he doesn't. And Gene Simmons is still fine, but uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I I just it's kind of weird that
Speaker 1: this is how they're going out. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: that they've been a band since the seventies, but it's like, no,
Speaker 1: but still singing. Gene sounds great. Yeah, Gene still sounds good. Um,
Speaker 1: the band is as a whole, but Paul Stanley has
Speaker 1: lost his voice and personally, I'd rather see him like
Speaker 1: struggle through these songs. Yeah, you know, like I'm a
Speaker 1: huge Motley Crew fan, which I'm excited to see the
Speaker 1: dirt coming out. But Vince Neil, he's his voice. Is
Speaker 1: not what that's that's a documentary right, No, it isn't
Speaker 1: a movie because I know the book. The books incredible,
Speaker 1: The book was great, incredible. Yeah, I'm like, you're almost
Speaker 1: getting goose bumps, like how how are you still alive?
Speaker 1: It's like that old saying. It's like, you know, we
Speaker 1: gotta start thinking about not not with my the crew,
Speaker 1: but we gotta to start thinking about what kind of
Speaker 1: a world we're gonna leave behind. For Keith Richards, he's
Speaker 1: gonna be outlive all of us, and he's still having
Speaker 1: kids get out. Yeah. I think recently either him or
Speaker 1: Mick Jagger had like another kid love one of NICKI
Speaker 1: six just had another kid. So yeah, actually other than
Speaker 1: Tim Montana, what what have you been listening to? Wait?
Speaker 1: Any new stuff or um news now? Uh, not really
Speaker 1: anything new. I'm a big Avenge seven Fold fans. I like,
Speaker 1: I like a lot of this Stuf'm trying to think
Speaker 1: anything new that's on my Uh, I've been like shazaming stuff.
Speaker 1: So I'm finding like random stuff here and there that
Speaker 1: it's and it's everything from hip hop to uh um
Speaker 1: not when I lift, Like now, I'm listening to podcasts
Speaker 1: and and and books and stuff just just I can't
Speaker 1: when I lift, but I listen when I left, I can.
Speaker 1: But and then but when I'm doing cardio, I'll watch UM.
Speaker 1: I'll watch TV shows like Workaholics or or ap Bios,
Speaker 1: a New One or obviously UM always Signings Philadelphia, because
Speaker 1: I like, I like to laugh and almost fall off
Speaker 1: the treadmill. It's just I've done it before, I fallen off.
Speaker 1: I've fallen laughing and uh at the busiest time in
Speaker 1: the gym, him and everyone of the gym kind of
Speaker 1: did the whole like everyone saw it, like okay, good,
Speaker 1: no one saw it. And I'm like the little lady
Speaker 1: that works came up with a cold tell like well
Speaker 1: this hellth like so you saw it, Yeah that's great, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so just leave mid workout. Yeah. No. For me, it's
Speaker 1: a lot of metal on hip hop. Although I can't
Speaker 1: get into this new I feel like an old man,
Speaker 1: but this new like trap music that all sounds the same,
Speaker 1: it's the exact same flow, just like what is this?
Speaker 1: I can I don't know, maybe I'm getting old. Are Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it's it's tough, but that's what's happening. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: like Takashi sixty nine and all that, I'm just I
Speaker 1: listened to it and I'm just like it sounds so
Speaker 1: how could you even compare this to Wu Tang Client
Speaker 1: or nas amazing lyricism? You know, I can't. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: are getting old. Yeah, it's almost like should turn that
Speaker 1: down exactly, get off my lawn. But before we wrap
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Speaker 1: anything else before we get out of here. Yes, as
Speaker 1: you were doing that, I had to look at my
Speaker 1: playlist and I needed to give a shout out to
Speaker 1: the Eagles of Death Metal. They've got one of the
Speaker 1: best best front man in the business. So I was
Speaker 1: listening to I've been listening to them lately too. I
Speaker 1: forgot about a couple unique sounds I had had had
Speaker 1: a drop and had a name drop one more time,
Speaker 1: and I feel like everybody knows them unfortunately for the bottom. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was them, which isn't insanely shitty. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and it's a weird way to get publicity. That's how
Speaker 1: I heard him. Really Yeah. I watched the documentary and
Speaker 1: then I started, uh um checking them out. So they're
Speaker 1: really good. I didn't know that if they're a documentary
Speaker 1: in Netflix Um, I don't know where I found it,
Speaker 1: but I was. I was at home one day, like
Speaker 1: in a good mood, so I decided to see if
Speaker 1: I could stomach it. And it is a that's a
Speaker 1: I don't know what the name. Check it out. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the documentary. I'm sure if you just
Speaker 1: look up Eagles and yeah, it's They're They're They're obviously
Speaker 1: really scarred. And for those not in the know, because
Speaker 1: I like I am familiar with them despite the name.
Speaker 1: Not a death metal band, Oh no, no, They're a kicking.
Speaker 1: They're one of the best live shows. Like, I gotta
Speaker 1: see them. I'm gonna find more that people would have
Speaker 1: that Eagles. That look when I heard on my hill
Speaker 1: is a death metal band playing Paris. But they are
Speaker 1: a blast and I've been listening to them, so I
Speaker 1: wanted to cool. Well, Um, Robert J. O'Neill dot com,
Speaker 1: Your Grateful Nation dot org, at Micula on Twitter, on Instagram,
Speaker 1: what you've told the story for before? Yeah, it's Maculia
Speaker 1: is a name because when I was still in I
Speaker 1: think one of my buddies told me about this new
Speaker 1: thing called Twitter. And it's a lot of fun and
Speaker 1: you just make up a fake name and then we
Speaker 1: just messed with each other and you can, you can
Speaker 1: f with other people and um, so Mikulia, is you
Speaker 1: know who you are? With an MC like Irish Mila
Speaker 1: and something that I WoT on overnight. Overnight when my
Speaker 1: name was leaked, I woke up with like ten thousand
Speaker 1: followers and I'm like, God, damn it, I guess I'm Acula.
Speaker 1: Now do you wish it was at Robert j O'Neil.
Speaker 1: I should have done that, but I don't think whatever it's,
Speaker 1: it'll it'll, it'll catch on. I I dig it though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's cool to have you know something that's
Speaker 1: just a different nickname. Dude. Always great scene that we
Speaker 1: finally did this end because it's like it's been quite
Speaker 1: a while. Um, we'll do this again. And I like
Speaker 1: hearing your take on issues and all that other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll talk more music next time. I'll be I'll be
Speaker 1: better prepared. We should. Maybe we can get like I said,
Speaker 1: shown the Butcher and we'll talk battles. Totally fun. Man,
Speaker 1: All right, great as always, man, thank you for it.
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