Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast Any filed taxes on top? Well,
Speaker 1: welcome to another edition I'll be Around the NFL Podcast,
Speaker 1: presented by the United States Marine Corps. My name is
Speaker 1: Dan Hansis. I'm joined in a room filled with heroes,
Speaker 1: Mark Sesler, Chris Westling, and Greg Rose. Though what is up? Boys?
Speaker 1: Is that still a thing like hitting the deadline? I
Speaker 1: guess it is. I mean, yeah, it's just clearly a
Speaker 1: very old one because that doesn't come up for another
Speaker 1: six months, right right, Maybe we could have had a
Speaker 1: better I've never filed my own taxes for years. My
Speaker 1: mom did it for me, and then I shifted right
Speaker 1: to having my wife to it for me. I've never
Speaker 1: touched also a political sort of topic right now. So
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of both the president and financials revealing.
Speaker 1: Got it good time? All right? We nailed it? So, Greg, Well,
Speaker 1: that's us always write, you know, with our finger on
Speaker 1: the pulse political world. This is Week eleven preview show,
Speaker 1: and we've got a lot of content coming your way,
Speaker 1: as we always do, especially this time of week. So
Speaker 1: you're gonna we're gonna preview all of the Sunday games,
Speaker 1: the Monday night game, which is in Mexico City, by
Speaker 1: the way, how about that? Uh? And then later tonight
Speaker 1: Thursday Night, Brown Steelers Dirt Nap to. They're calling it
Speaker 1: for the Browns who clawed their clawed their way out
Speaker 1: of the grave and now have a chance to go
Speaker 1: whistling through the graveyard. Mark and that will be a
Speaker 1: podcast lands late this evening they take a second dirt
Speaker 1: nap I might go with them. Now, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure on the game I got. There will be
Speaker 1: twelve feet under if they lose this game. Um. And also,
Speaker 1: since you can watch this live right now on YouTube,
Speaker 1: which is a cool little thing because not only do
Speaker 1: you get to get a sneak preview of the show
Speaker 1: before people that listen on podcasts, you can also interface
Speaker 1: with the community the around the NFL podcast community and
Speaker 1: Ricky Hollywood, who keeps her eye on on this type stuff. Say,
Speaker 1: Mark's excited. You know what. I initially do not like
Speaker 1: that sound drop, But as I was coming in, say,
Speaker 1: I thought, I know it's gonna occur multiple times during
Speaker 1: the show, and it's it passively removes the need for
Speaker 1: me to speak or do any work. So all on board.
Speaker 1: It's that time of year. Uh, and one one more program.
Speaker 1: Note if you are watching this, I'll just know that
Speaker 1: I will be filling in on Game debut later this afternoon.
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal's program was simply a Freeland picking all of
Speaker 1: the week eleven games. I'll be filling in the host
Speaker 1: chair for that. I'm excited for this and also be
Speaker 1: it airs on NFL Network on Saturday two times, including
Speaker 1: I think what I think it's eight am Eastern and
Speaker 1: then uh, midnight Eastern or nine pm Pacific. That's the one.
Speaker 1: If I was going to watch it, that's a nine
Speaker 1: pm Pacific. That's a good time slot. And I will
Speaker 1: I did, uh. Greg said he is excited. We do
Speaker 1: have some audio that I procured um about a day ago,
Speaker 1: so let's let's listen to them. Hey Dan, oh hey Greg,
Speaker 1: what's up. I hear your hosting game debut today. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just thought I could help out. I don't care
Speaker 1: listen to me. Game debut is my show. So cut
Speaker 1: out all that signature hands as bullshit? Will you? All right? Man?
Speaker 1: I'll back off. Yeah, you better back off. It's my
Speaker 1: property out. It's different than like the public facing person
Speaker 1: and then the person that was earlier today, the least
Speaker 1: believable part of that, as he would close with Rosenthal out,
Speaker 1: I ensure you calling your own content signature. Dan contently,
Speaker 1: I like you also called it my show. I think
Speaker 1: Andrew Hawkins and Cynthia especially you know, you know she's
Speaker 1: got the whole as our show or my show to them,
Speaker 1: but to you, it's your show. I know. I just
Speaker 1: appreciate you not going too hard on the impression or
Speaker 1: nasal wise. I mean, damn, Chex is far more withering. Um.
Speaker 1: All right, So I'll be on that as well with
Speaker 1: Greg looking forward to it. But before we do that,
Speaker 1: we're going to go through all the games, UM, and
Speaker 1: we do a draft style and we always do, and Mark,
Speaker 1: it is your turn once again to lead off the draft.
Speaker 1: Mark has become in a lot of ways, he's the
Speaker 1: wild card of the show. And uh, when it comes
Speaker 1: to this draft, it's no different. Whether it's what are
Speaker 1: his motives? That's the thing that I'm trying to figure
Speaker 1: out now that we were about ten weeks in. UM.
Speaker 1: Ostensibly it's about picking the best games? Is that always
Speaker 1: where Mark's heads at? That is the question and with
Speaker 1: the number one overall pick, it's right there. That's when
Speaker 1: you could really dig into this um ongoing soap opera.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go a little a typical of what I
Speaker 1: normally do. You probably think I'm gonna grab like jets
Speaker 1: and skins or something, right, I'm going the most fascinating
Speaker 1: game of the week, even though I know everyone else
Speaker 1: is gonna be watching it and discussing it and making
Speaker 1: comments while I attempt to cover it on my own
Speaker 1: on my own television. But Houston at Baltimore Minor ups
Speaker 1: oh is also It's time now for the road to victory.
Speaker 1: Right off the bat, there we go, Let's get the
Speaker 1: United States Marine Corps. Why did you pick it? Mark? I?
Speaker 1: I just you know, I've spent my life feeling antagonistic
Speaker 1: towards the Ravens, and I'm over it at this point
Speaker 1: because they are the most interesting team in the a
Speaker 1: f C by far. At this point. I love little
Speaker 1: little wrinkles that they roll out each week. Last week
Speaker 1: their Heisman package where you have mark Ingram r G
Speaker 1: three and Lamar Jackson on the field at the same
Speaker 1: time and making plays r G three and that one
Speaker 1: little package, and I Greg Roman, who you know stock
Speaker 1: up when he was with the Niners, eventually fell away there,
Speaker 1: and and and and went on to a couple different
Speaker 1: places after that. This is Greg Romans dream, basically what's
Speaker 1: happening with Lamar Jackson, and I really struggle to see
Speaker 1: away in the and and that that that the Texans
Speaker 1: can win this game. I think this is Baltimore set
Speaker 1: up very well to punish and you know, I know
Speaker 1: was the Bengals last week, but it's every week. The
Speaker 1: Ravens punished teams in a way that no other club
Speaker 1: in the league is doing right now. And I'm all
Speaker 1: for these zigging when everyone else is zagging. You are
Speaker 1: run heavy, you know it's coming, you know you're gonna
Speaker 1: throw the ball fourteen times to your tight ends. No
Speaker 1: one seems to be able to stop it. I do
Speaker 1: think the Texans played one of their best defensive audience
Speaker 1: before the by minus J. J. Watt, and that was encouraging.
Speaker 1: But that's gonna be a struggle. It's not have J. G.
Speaker 1: Watt in this game. I think the Ravens take care
Speaker 1: of business and a less than close matchup. Some might
Speaker 1: think I was expecting you to lock it up at
Speaker 1: the end of all that. You are so confident. I
Speaker 1: don't even think that you could lock this game up. Well,
Speaker 1: of course you could, Texas. I don't know what then.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Texans are are an up and down team,
Speaker 1: but they're extremely talented. You know. These are two of
Speaker 1: I would say the top three or four m v
Speaker 1: P candidates, and Deshaun Watson and Lamar Jackson, the Texans
Speaker 1: very best game is is pretty awesome. I mean, they
Speaker 1: can run the ball, they should be able to throw
Speaker 1: it deep better than they really have, and there's really
Speaker 1: no perfect way to stop Watson on third down. He
Speaker 1: just creates. Yeah, I'm curious as to why, Mark, you
Speaker 1: don't believe the Texans have the firepower to keep up
Speaker 1: with the Ravens. I think they're getting Will Fuller back
Speaker 1: this week. He's practicing. They might be getting tight As
Speaker 1: Howard back as well. This is a loaded, loaded offense
Speaker 1: with one of the top five rushing attacks too. I
Speaker 1: think if it were in Houston, maybe I'd feel a
Speaker 1: little bit differently. But I'm waiting for someone to slow
Speaker 1: down Baltimore. And it's not the Ravens as like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's like thirty two three. It's not.
Speaker 1: It's not that kind of a game. But the Texans
Speaker 1: this is this is their heat check. I'm I'm with you,
Speaker 1: Mark in the sense that I think the Texans are
Speaker 1: getting the Ravens at the wrong time. I mean, they
Speaker 1: are getting them off there by Houston, which is good.
Speaker 1: And the last time we saw the Texans, that defense
Speaker 1: looked great against the Jaguars without J. J. Watt. But
Speaker 1: you wonder, you know, as time progresses, if it's going
Speaker 1: to really begin to reveal itself as a major setback
Speaker 1: for them, which you imagine it will. I love the
Speaker 1: quarterback matchup. It's as good as any quarterback matchup will
Speaker 1: get this year. Uh in Deshaun Watson versus um Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: of course, And I just the the at Baltimore nature
Speaker 1: of it. I'm kind of with you. I think if
Speaker 1: this was in Houston, this could be a dog fight.
Speaker 1: I think the Ravens are so hot right now they've
Speaker 1: won five in a row, um that they're gonna keep rolling.
Speaker 1: I think it's bad news for the Texans. Well, Hollywood
Speaker 1: Brown hasn't practiced the first two days of the week,
Speaker 1: so he's still not back to a pcent. And I
Speaker 1: think he really does change, you know, who they are
Speaker 1: in terms of being able to throw the ball deep
Speaker 1: and throw the ball to the outside. You're not really
Speaker 1: sure what you're getting from the Texans defensive. Ravens defense
Speaker 1: does look better that they've kind of solved some of
Speaker 1: their issues. I think Marcus Peters obviously has had to
Speaker 1: pick six is, but he just fits what they do
Speaker 1: so well. Marlon Humphrey said he's the smartest cornerback he's
Speaker 1: ever been around. UH, and he's added a lot. There's
Speaker 1: just something about Marcus Peters with that team. They've settled
Speaker 1: on Jalen Ferguson as the outside rusher. UH. To compliment Judean,
Speaker 1: he's been okay, at least they've they're kind of like
Speaker 1: forming into what they leave they are. But the Texans
Speaker 1: to me are talented enough item. I think they could
Speaker 1: beat any team on any giving Sunday, especially because they've
Speaker 1: protected the Shawn Watson so well. I think it's one
Speaker 1: of the biggest surprises of the season is how well
Speaker 1: they have past present Watson. Yeah, and they're run their
Speaker 1: run blocking as well, which has turned um the combination
Speaker 1: Carlos Hide and Duke Johnson into a group that's already
Speaker 1: piled up nearly a thousand yards and averaged about five
Speaker 1: yards of Karry Yeah, and Watson scores points in a hurry.
Speaker 1: Even if they're down streak a couple of touchdowns in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, you can't roll them out. I am
Speaker 1: disappointed the NFL did not flex this game, uh to
Speaker 1: Sunday Night. They had to get in Trabinsky, you know,
Speaker 1: while they still could Trabinsky goff to. Let's bring it
Speaker 1: back from Sunday Night football a year ago, remember that
Speaker 1: game the Rams six points? Who because of the markets
Speaker 1: would be my guests because Chicago in l A. I
Speaker 1: don't know. This is one I usually am not very
Speaker 1: critical of those decisions because they make you don't know
Speaker 1: what you are little that is certainly in your wheelhouse. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm totally critical. These are the two most exciting players
Speaker 1: in the league going up against each other. Put up
Speaker 1: on TV. You got Rabinsky and God give me a break,
Speaker 1: I love that Trabisky golf. Can golf get a two
Speaker 1: attached to it? As if the first showdown so too? Exactly?
Speaker 1: And that was can we and if if the decisions
Speaker 1: coming down to quote unquote the markets, can we grow up? Please?
Speaker 1: Can we can we have a little bit of a
Speaker 1: more above the view because I know, I mean, but
Speaker 1: if that is what they're doing, and what other what
Speaker 1: other good reason would be for I guess it's an
Speaker 1: East Coast game, so they're not you know, keeping the
Speaker 1: Texans there overnight. It's but ultimately they don't think they
Speaker 1: care about that if they think it's a better game,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's well in the NFL has a Rams
Speaker 1: fascination that they need to get over also, but who
Speaker 1: makes the decision? Does that mean the Rams fascinating? They are.
Speaker 1: They are one of the most regular season times other
Speaker 1: than the Patriots, I feel totally on target with that.
Speaker 1: With that, it makes sense to me that the Rams
Speaker 1: have a lot of prime time games late in the season.
Speaker 1: Is going into this year, they looked like, other than
Speaker 1: the Patriots, maybe the safest team to be in the mix.
Speaker 1: They are a little you know, less watchable. I mean,
Speaker 1: whenever you can pit the two most disappointing offensive ms
Speaker 1: of what we expected, why not think it's a case
Speaker 1: mark of right Church, wrong Q with your criticism. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they're fascinated with the Rams of the team,
Speaker 1: but they are wholly invested in Los Angeles as a market.
Speaker 1: I'm sure people wouldn't like me to use different wording
Speaker 1: around that, but you know I don't. I'm certainly not
Speaker 1: the bad boy, but I think I've stuck on this
Speaker 1: point from from moment one. You know, you even do
Speaker 1: it at the uh you know the talent something that
Speaker 1: that may be the reason that I'm not hosting any
Speaker 1: shows today. In place of filling the blank, Mark rolled
Speaker 1: into the conference room on like a motorcycle and a chopper.
Speaker 1: It just got out with his leather jacket and sat
Speaker 1: in the front row and rich eyes and seat. He's like,
Speaker 1: talk to me. He's like, what you just expect us
Speaker 1: to be a bunch of Patsy's for the Rams And
Speaker 1: they're like, sir, we're talking about HR violations from Steve Smith.
Speaker 1: And that was the road to victory presented by the
Speaker 1: United States Marine Corps. Up next, Yes, bad news for
Speaker 1: our listener Luke Nichols at the Rovers eight three, who
Speaker 1: put a sandwich on Greg saying he's going to watch
Speaker 1: Texans Ravens even if he doesn't pick it in the draft,
Speaker 1: so he don't it during that conversation. Now, I won't go.
Speaker 1: I don't have a choice. There's eight early games and
Speaker 1: at a certain point, there's there's a way you can't.
Speaker 1: You just can't do that. I thought that was already
Speaker 1: pretty good prop them. I was hoping what Mark would
Speaker 1: pass on it, obviously, but that's when you can enjoy.
Speaker 1: I'll enjoy that Sunday night. That'll first, Sorry, Luke. First
Speaker 1: game rules to live by if you tag Greg and
Speaker 1: let him know you're he's he's definitely not gonna do
Speaker 1: it or say it just because right. I mean, I
Speaker 1: didn't see it because I probably have the guy muted.
Speaker 1: But Greg, you're up. I am, and I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: mess around. I'm gonna take Patriots Eagles one of the
Speaker 1: three after noon games just out. I don't want anyone
Speaker 1: getting cute, and this is one of the Patriots games
Speaker 1: I desperately want to watch live because I'm anyone getting cute.
Speaker 1: What does that mean I've been taking this game? I
Speaker 1: don't want to. I guess I would be the one
Speaker 1: getting cute and trying to you know, hope you guys
Speaker 1: will leave it for me, or I didn't have a
Speaker 1: four pm game. Whatever. These are two great coaching staffs
Speaker 1: coming off a by where they're obviously disappointed in aspects
Speaker 1: of their team In terms of the Eagles, they're just
Speaker 1: not explosive. Alison Jeffrey's missed Wednesday and Thursday's practice, so
Speaker 1: that's a bad sign. And I'm just curious how they're
Speaker 1: gonna come back. You know, they signed Jordan Matthews, that's
Speaker 1: not going to change who they are. They're pretty good
Speaker 1: as a ground and pound running team with two tight
Speaker 1: ends on the field, which really is an approach. I
Speaker 1: think that could work against the Patriots. They've struggled a
Speaker 1: little bit against the run, they've struggled against power personnel,
Speaker 1: like two tight ends, three tight ends, and it's so
Speaker 1: different if you think back to you know, Super Bowl
Speaker 1: fifty two, both of these teams profiles have totally flipped that.
Speaker 1: You know, this was such an explosive Eagles offen, such
Speaker 1: a great Patriots offense. And at this point, those are
Speaker 1: the two sides of the ball that are lagging behind.
Speaker 1: And I don't think Carson Wentz is having a big year.
Speaker 1: Those receivers are. I don't think Tom Brady is either.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. I think the quarterbacks are playing pretty well,
Speaker 1: but they can only do so much. It was impressive
Speaker 1: to watch the way that Philly played it seems like
Speaker 1: two years ago against Chicago in London where they had
Speaker 1: those two long, twelve played drives where you know, you
Speaker 1: thought the thing was Chicago's defensive and could keep them
Speaker 1: around and they moved the ball. But you're right, they're
Speaker 1: not explosive. And I the plan all along was to
Speaker 1: have too Shun Jackson in there and be your guy,
Speaker 1: and he's he's been gone for almost the entire season.
Speaker 1: That's changed their offense. They don't have a downfield threat. No,
Speaker 1: the best part of their team is Brandon Brooks and
Speaker 1: Lane Johnson and Jason Kelsey on the right side. And
Speaker 1: that it's interesting because the Patriots have a great secondary
Speaker 1: and that's what you want. You want a great pass defense.
Speaker 1: But I think this is a week that the Eagles
Speaker 1: might be pretty confident they can keep the Patriots low
Speaker 1: scoring and that it's gonna kind of be an ugly
Speaker 1: type of game. Are these Is this the first time
Speaker 1: these two teams is faced Super Bowl? Correct? Absolutely, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: And I will say this, Greg, where is your peace
Speaker 1: scale on the Patriots offense? Kind of putting it all together,
Speaker 1: do you think it will be a typical Patriots season
Speaker 1: where by December they're shellacking teams on both sides of
Speaker 1: the sides of the ball. Or do you think this
Speaker 1: team is just different than the others. Uh? There, I
Speaker 1: think they're different than the others. I think they can improve,
Speaker 1: though I don't think they're gonna be a top five
Speaker 1: offense like they have been throughout the entire Gronk era.
Speaker 1: Will Gronk be playing for them? You know, even in
Speaker 1: last December they were pretty terrible on offense. It's really
Speaker 1: just the playoffs, you know, in the a f C
Speaker 1: that they played well on offense. I Uh, I'm curious
Speaker 1: to see if they play crazy hurry up like they
Speaker 1: did in Baltimore. I think that got totally overlooked that
Speaker 1: they played more hurry up in that game than any
Speaker 1: NFL team did I think since two thousand seventeen, and
Speaker 1: any Patriots team did since two thousand fourteen. They basically
Speaker 1: played one personnel package the whole game, and whenever they
Speaker 1: got a first down, those guys just stayed on the
Speaker 1: field and they played breakneck. And that's like what they
Speaker 1: did in two thousand ten, which to me was kind
Speaker 1: of the Patriots offensive revolution back then. It's when they
Speaker 1: turned into a truly dominant offense. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they're just trying things if they thought it worked against Baltimore.
Speaker 1: But I like that idea because it's fun to watch,
Speaker 1: and I think it's a way. It's a sign they
Speaker 1: trust their defense in a way because it puts the
Speaker 1: defense in tough spots sometimes. But play to that defense
Speaker 1: that is the strength of your Teach's a massively critical
Speaker 1: stretch because the Eagles, who are five and four, you
Speaker 1: drop this, you have to go and play Seattle next
Speaker 1: week too. I mean that the NFC East is the
Speaker 1: one division you can kind of be a five team
Speaker 1: and be alive until late December. But it would be
Speaker 1: nice to see them. They're a wild card getting a
Speaker 1: two teams are wild cards. I don't know what we
Speaker 1: have with this Patriots team yet. No no result in
Speaker 1: this game would surprise me. I've convincing win by either
Speaker 1: team wouldn't shock me. I picked the Patriots to win.
Speaker 1: I do think ultimately I trust them a little with
Speaker 1: you Where are you at? Greg? On your PA scale?
Speaker 1: For the Patriots defense, which was supposed to be dominant,
Speaker 1: has been run on for two straight games, and the
Speaker 1: Eagles have been running Let me give you the scale,
Speaker 1: Uh one, totally dry, no need to change the under pants.
Speaker 1: Pants drives it does it? Ten soaked saturated. Gotta find
Speaker 1: private place and set them out in the three because
Speaker 1: I think they accept that. Have you ever had more
Speaker 1: than three? I mean they've won six, They've made four
Speaker 1: Super Bowls in a row, three in a row, they
Speaker 1: won six. I mean it's okay to you know, air
Speaker 1: on the side of confidence with them. I think they
Speaker 1: invite teams to run because I think a lot of
Speaker 1: teams say, but it's true. They have six defensive backs
Speaker 1: on the field quite a bit and invited the Ravens
Speaker 1: to run all over and lose the game. I mean,
Speaker 1: they were no match. But to me, the offense was
Speaker 1: the bigger uh concern in that game. I'm not overly
Speaker 1: worried about their their run defense. You're gonna be bad
Speaker 1: at one thing, that's it. As you might expect during
Speaker 1: the Belichick dynasty, the Patriots are very good coming off
Speaker 1: of by their fourteen and five. Surprisingly, um, I believe
Speaker 1: they are two in three coming off a by and
Speaker 1: a loss. I was ready to say, oh, there's no
Speaker 1: way in hell they lose coming off a loss, anna buy,
Speaker 1: But history has not told us that the other team
Speaker 1: is totally dead in the water, and I just I
Speaker 1: just feel like this is the stretch where people doubt
Speaker 1: the Patriots. It's gonna be a game, a very close
Speaker 1: fought game, and I like the Eagles at home to
Speaker 1: start gaining some momentum because I still believe in them
Speaker 1: as a team that's a playoff uh team. Come January
Speaker 1: and I think the Eagles get this one, like twenty
Speaker 1: four to twenty one, something like that. I was confidently
Speaker 1: picking New England most. That's also the smart move most
Speaker 1: of New changes. I think who they are a little
Speaker 1: bit gives him an extra option which they desperately needed.
Speaker 1: I think they'll fix some of their offensive line is
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe we see their first round picks Isaiah
Speaker 1: Win and nikkil Harry, you know, start to contribute. Those
Speaker 1: in theory are talented guys. This will be like the
Speaker 1: Rex Burkhead suddenly twenty two touches out of nowhere, a
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty yards and three touchdowns game, and then
Speaker 1: he goes back into a cave for another moment. To
Speaker 1: be clear, Win, by the way, cannot return until next week,
Speaker 1: but he should be their left tackle starting left tackle
Speaker 1: next week. And on the subject, and let me get
Speaker 1: the number right. The Pats are three and two coming
Speaker 1: off a loss of a by um Grog has until
Speaker 1: November make his decision whether it comes back or not. Still,
Speaker 1: to me feels fifty fifty. I don't think he's coming back.
Speaker 1: I never thought, and there'sn't been no reason. He's made comments.
Speaker 1: He's made comments. He's made comments on both sides, whichever
Speaker 1: one you want to look at. Well, that's what I'm saying. Well, Coin,
Speaker 1: I mean, Dan, you have something invested in this, so
Speaker 1: I don't care about that. But I just always knew
Speaker 1: he's playing again. In fact, his only thing that he's
Speaker 1: his most recent comment is I guess he's taking this
Speaker 1: what is the CBD, this oil that has cannabis in it,
Speaker 1: And he was saying he doesn't want to get um
Speaker 1: banned from the NFL, so he can't come back next year.
Speaker 1: And that's interesting his choice of words there, because he's
Speaker 1: taking something to help his body. I mean, this guy
Speaker 1: clearly is going to be playing professional football again, and
Speaker 1: I I will double down my sandwich bet that at
Speaker 1: some point in the future he's back in the NFL
Speaker 1: and likely with the Patriots. Whether he comes back in December,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe now, well, come on back, Rob,
Speaker 1: you know, come on back. You know we've got Ben Watson.
Speaker 1: You know that takes a little while those routes to develop. Uh,
Speaker 1: Matt Lacos is coming back. People are excited about that,
Speaker 1: but please your pick. Oh well, there were only three
Speaker 1: games on the board this week, so I'm taking Arizona
Speaker 1: at San Francisco. You're killing me West. It's all chalks
Speaker 1: so far in this drift. Oh, you're killing me. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm all in on Kyler Murray. I said it Tuesday.
Speaker 1: I've never seen a player like him, But you laughed
Speaker 1: at me two weeks ago when I pick him for
Speaker 1: Offensive Rookie of the Year. He hadn't earned it by
Speaker 1: the but it was a prediction. It was a nice prediction,
Speaker 1: good anticipation. Dan Um, I like watching Lamar Jackson, but
Speaker 1: I've seen a quarterback like him before, when Vic came
Speaker 1: out of Virginia Tech and sort of blazed across. This
Speaker 1: guy like Genghis kind out of out of the Asian
Speaker 1: steps and took the league by storm. He's obviously spectacular,
Speaker 1: but I've never say that. Yeah, I've never seen anybody
Speaker 1: like Kyler Murray that size, spinning balls the way he
Speaker 1: spins them like you know, kind of like Spider Man
Speaker 1: flinging a web. It just comes out of his wrists
Speaker 1: so fast. He's so quick back there, and he's so
Speaker 1: cool under pressure, and it was emphasized so much playing
Speaker 1: on the same field as Jamis Winston, who looked like
Speaker 1: a drunken giraffe in comparison to Kyler Murray. Smooth, kind
Speaker 1: of jazz saxophone back there under you know, just calm
Speaker 1: under pressure. And I love watching this guy play. He
Speaker 1: looks like the real deal. I am all in and
Speaker 1: I think the Cardinals have to be the most elated
Speaker 1: three win team I've seen in a long time because
Speaker 1: they have their guy. You know what it looks like
Speaker 1: is is a generational athlete, which makes sense when he
Speaker 1: got the biggest signing bonus in your one of the
Speaker 1: biggest in Major League history, I believe, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: from the A's And he's a guy who's breaking boundaries
Speaker 1: in terms of his height, in the arm strength that
Speaker 1: he has. He's just insanely talented and confident. As he said,
Speaker 1: the way he moves it just looks I'm with you.
Speaker 1: It looks different than other athletes, and the way the
Speaker 1: ball comes out of his hand is as pretty and
Speaker 1: as good, for lack of a better word, as any
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league. This is one of those scheduling
Speaker 1: scheduling wrinkles where they just had the Cardinals and forty
Speaker 1: nine square off, you know, less than fourteen days ago
Speaker 1: that I don't like that either, but I think it's interesting.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting challenge for San Francisco because the Cardinals
Speaker 1: were one of the first teams I thought to put
Speaker 1: it to San Francisco's defense, and David Johnson, who did
Speaker 1: not look very good last week at all, had a
Speaker 1: big game. Kenyan Drake had a big game against San Francisco.
Speaker 1: So how do you go and attack the same defense,
Speaker 1: one of the best in the league two weeks later.
Speaker 1: You can't count on an eighty eight yard Andy Isabella
Speaker 1: touchdown every time you play against Is it starting to
Speaker 1: feel like David Johnson might not be on this team
Speaker 1: next year? Well, I think they take a huge punishment
Speaker 1: if they cut him, like seventeen million or something. He's
Speaker 1: clearly just not close to healthy, and it wouldn't shock
Speaker 1: me if they sat him down for this game. Chase
Speaker 1: Edmonds isn't ready to come back, but Drake is is
Speaker 1: going to be the starter for now. But George Kittle
Speaker 1: is gonna miss this game at least it's strongly appear.
Speaker 1: And Joe Staley came back for a week and and
Speaker 1: broke his finger and had surgery, so he's back out.
Speaker 1: If anything, I don't know. I think it's a dangerous
Speaker 1: matchup for San Francisco. I don't I don't know about
Speaker 1: the plane them twice in three weeks. If that favors
Speaker 1: anyone or not, but I'd be a little worried. Let's
Speaker 1: touch on it real quick, just because, um, this is
Speaker 1: the team he previously played for. It. But the NFL
Speaker 1: has arranged a workout for Colin Kaepernick. It's a private
Speaker 1: workout this Saturday in Atlanta that all thirty two teams
Speaker 1: are welcome to attend. Uh. This is a memo that
Speaker 1: was obtained by Ian Rappaport kaepern Kaepernick confirmed the workout
Speaker 1: in a tweet posted later Tuesday evening. Um, the general
Speaker 1: vibe right now around this workout is people are a
Speaker 1: little bit caught off guard by it around the league,
Speaker 1: and both the timing of it on a Saturday, which
Speaker 1: is a travel day in the NFL, and the short
Speaker 1: amount of heads up teams were given, which was this
Speaker 1: was something that was announced Tuesday for an event on Saturday,
Speaker 1: which I believe I heard it saw it reported that
Speaker 1: kaeperni Is Kaepernick's camp push back, hoping to get it
Speaker 1: the following Saturday so more people could teams could uh
Speaker 1: game planet, but they were denied without an explanation. So
Speaker 1: this is going down, h I know NFL network is
Speaker 1: gonna be there covering it, as will many other media
Speaker 1: groups potentially, although they're all going to be kind of
Speaker 1: locked out of the facility, even even NFL on network.
Speaker 1: They'll just be out on the street. Is that how
Speaker 1: it's gonna be. They're not allowing any media in there.
Speaker 1: Uh must watch TV and it's a workout and uh
Speaker 1: a interview process apparently, so you know. Steve Weish reported
Speaker 1: that Kaeperner's the workout will be run by a scouting
Speaker 1: combined personnel and former NFL coaches, and then any teams
Speaker 1: on hand could also hold interviews with him. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, the skepticism that came when this first popped up,
Speaker 1: you know, has been obviously earned, and it's just so
Speaker 1: strange and unprecedented a situation. As the week's unfolded, I've
Speaker 1: just kind of wanted to like track all the stories,
Speaker 1: and I think, look, everything about Colin kaepernick situation with
Speaker 1: the NFL is unprecedented. Uh, And it's it's fascinating to
Speaker 1: me that that this is happening that the NFL, who
Speaker 1: has kind of set in the past we're not in
Speaker 1: the business of helping players get jobs back in league,
Speaker 1: are are now in the business of of trying to
Speaker 1: help Colin Kaepernick get back. So to me, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: It's hard to know all the different motivations and everything
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, but I never expected this to be
Speaker 1: a big part of our lives again. And it does
Speaker 1: make you think that there's a chance Kaepernick is going
Speaker 1: to be back in the league at some point, at
Speaker 1: least a chance which at this point I had kind
Speaker 1: of assumed was was over. I would have loved to
Speaker 1: seen it take place on a Tuesday, which is the
Speaker 1: natural in the middle bio rhythm of NFL weeks, the
Speaker 1: day that more teams could you know, have I not
Speaker 1: sent to it? I don't know, Like that's the thing
Speaker 1: it's weird, and you just want you want the NFL too.
Speaker 1: If they're gonna do this, to do it the right way.
Speaker 1: That does not lead to a lot of controversy going
Speaker 1: into the event. That leads to people like Eric Reid,
Speaker 1: of course, the Panther's safety, who's the first person to
Speaker 1: kneel on the sideline with Kaepernick with the Niners, to
Speaker 1: sniff it out and say, to me, this feels like
Speaker 1: a PR stunt. I feel like this is a situation
Speaker 1: that probably the best move would be again, get on
Speaker 1: the same page with everybody. Make sure whatever has decided
Speaker 1: tothing that you know, whether it's Kaepernick's camp the NFL camp,
Speaker 1: are both in lockstep on because once you're not in lockstep,
Speaker 1: like it with the timing of this, it leads to
Speaker 1: the story going in a different direction. So well, there's
Speaker 1: different you know, camps, there's ownership and then there's the
Speaker 1: league office. Those aren't necessarily the same camps. Ultimately, either
Speaker 1: he gets signed at or he doesn't. And so if
Speaker 1: he gets signed, it wasn't a PR stunt. And if
Speaker 1: he doesn't get signed, then people are going to have
Speaker 1: you both their opinions both. This is an avenue for
Speaker 1: teams who were tepid, who are shy about bringing him
Speaker 1: in and facing any kind of back last we would
Speaker 1: come in. This is an avenue for them to check him.
Speaker 1: That's what always reported that. There was a few teams
Speaker 1: that that's progress. I'm happy about that. Now I've now
Speaker 1: heard the argument made in the worst faith that I've
Speaker 1: heard of any argument all year. Why don't they do
Speaker 1: this for any other free agents? To read free agents?
Speaker 1: Give me a break. You know the difference between Colin
Speaker 1: Kaepernick and every other street free agent out there. It's
Speaker 1: a bad faith argument and nobody should pay attention to it.
Speaker 1: They did have a veteran essentially a camp that was
Speaker 1: in the off season and netted very little results. Coaches
Speaker 1: for the Miami Dolphins, Detroit Lions, Atlanta Falcons, and Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers have said they expect to have a representative
Speaker 1: at the Falcons practice of facility where this is going down.
Speaker 1: Uh that per espn um, so we shall see. Uh.
Speaker 1: John Elway also said the Broncos will be there, the
Speaker 1: Redskins will be there, the Cowboys, the Cardinals, so they
Speaker 1: will have teams there and Kaepernick um will get the
Speaker 1: opportunity to perform in front of them, all right, let
Speaker 1: us move on West. Nice choice. You really put me
Speaker 1: in a pickle. I had the whole thing figured out.
Speaker 1: That's what I hate about fantasy drafts. When the person
Speaker 1: right before you, I had to know that was a possibility.
Speaker 1: I know, I thought it was a pretty strong possibility,
Speaker 1: but I was holding out hope. So the disappointment is
Speaker 1: I actually thought you were picking there, and I was
Speaker 1: a little crestfalling. There. We got there, we got see.
Speaker 1: Now you're happy about the order? I am, thank you good.
Speaker 1: What's going on with Matthew Stafford? He's currently not. I'm
Speaker 1: the guy scrambling with the clock ticking down and I
Speaker 1: have to make a pick and I'm gonna end up panicking.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna want to watch this. Just take buddy
Speaker 1: for it, alright, because you know what I don't. I
Speaker 1: really don't want to watch the I feel like I
Speaker 1: watched the Colts a lot, but I will. Jake Brisket
Speaker 1: should be back and Nick Foles is back in the lineup,
Speaker 1: So how about slice of that Jake brisky how about
Speaker 1: an important AC South matchup between the Jags? And it's
Speaker 1: really and after I took his in the culture back
Speaker 1: his back. You know, thomb and Spielman are on a rule.
Speaker 1: I want that Saints Bucks game, and that's what that's what.
Speaker 1: I hold your breath and you might get it. Um anyway, Jags,
Speaker 1: Nick Foles is back, and I really do want to
Speaker 1: see how that offense looks with Folds behind center. We
Speaker 1: barely got a glimpse of him before he had the
Speaker 1: clavical injury. So so now he's in the lineup, and
Speaker 1: we talked about it on Tuesday with the you know
Speaker 1: hot butt check in uh, Doug Maroon. You imagine he
Speaker 1: needs a strong finish here. So it makes this a
Speaker 1: very important game. And on the cult side, you know,
Speaker 1: they're clinically addicted to playing these close games, uh and
Speaker 1: nine nine out of nine, nine out of nine seven
Speaker 1: points or less. And among that group, I believe half
Speaker 1: of them is field goal or less or close to it. U.
Speaker 1: So you know how this game is gonna end up.
Speaker 1: Most likely it's gonna again come down to the wire.
Speaker 1: And obviously with Brian Hoyer, UM, the CULTU are gonna
Speaker 1: lose a lot of those games. In fact, he's lost
Speaker 1: ten straight starts now, so there are just inherent limitations
Speaker 1: with Brian Hoyer that we're all aware of. Jacoby Brissette
Speaker 1: is kind of on the other's end of that spectrum
Speaker 1: where he's a guy you can kind of trust in
Speaker 1: a close game. And I do want to point out
Speaker 1: that again, the cults have decided to stick with Adam Vinatieri,
Speaker 1: and I mean, I guess there's two boys to look
Speaker 1: at it. One is loyalty is great, and respect for
Speaker 1: a legendary kicker is great. And the idea of well,
Speaker 1: if you're not gonna have Vintieri, you gotta go get
Speaker 1: a guy on the pile. And those guys look at
Speaker 1: Chase mcgaughlin with the Niners an example, how do you
Speaker 1: know you're gonna get something better? But that to me
Speaker 1: is it's almost like a Cowboys esque move. There's a
Speaker 1: lack of boldness there and and it seems like they're
Speaker 1: playing it safe and overly, overly respectful. And how many
Speaker 1: more games is gonna cost him? Because it costs him
Speaker 1: on Sunday because if you watch that game, he misses
Speaker 1: another extra point there in the red zone with seconds
Speaker 1: to play, and instead of being able to kick a
Speaker 1: game tying field goal or attempting one, they have to
Speaker 1: go for a Touchdowkster down four instead of three. This
Speaker 1: is the kind of stuff that's happening, and that could
Speaker 1: kill a team. They are right on the nose. We
Speaker 1: talked about it. The difference between eight and eight team
Speaker 1: and a tenant six team is nothing. In the NFL.
Speaker 1: It is a field goal kick here and one stop there,
Speaker 1: and you feel like if they don't, if they're not
Speaker 1: sharper in these elements of the game, the Cults will
Speaker 1: finish on the eight eight side of this. There's such
Speaker 1: a young team with the last two draft classes being
Speaker 1: so good and so deep that a lot of these
Speaker 1: guys play and I wondered, do they even know how
Speaker 1: good Adam Vinitary's career is. But I think it actually
Speaker 1: helps the locker room. It helps Frank reik Standing to
Speaker 1: keep backing him because rookies and second year players, they're
Speaker 1: low on the pecking order. Who are they to complain
Speaker 1: about what's going on. They love the person, I mean
Speaker 1: they they the organization has a thing for Vinitary and
Speaker 1: and that's why this is happening. But to your point,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna be one of these teams, you're sitting
Speaker 1: at five and four and every game is gonna come
Speaker 1: down two kicks basically, and he's missing P A T
Speaker 1: s and he's missing you know, it's it's not a
Speaker 1: great look to watch the field goal zig zag thirty
Speaker 1: yards to the left when it should just be going
Speaker 1: right down the middle. I love the fact that they
Speaker 1: get for set back because Hoyer changed the this offense
Speaker 1: in the sense, so they became a turnover machine. And Prisset,
Speaker 1: for all his ups and downs, had has three interceptions
Speaker 1: on the entire year. He's protected the ball. Well, they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to do this to have a chance in
Speaker 1: the a f C. I love how Set and I
Speaker 1: love Frank Reich, But as the season's gone on, I've
Speaker 1: come more around to West's view that this is not
Speaker 1: a a fun team to watch. You know. The even
Speaker 1: the offensive line, which is you know, supposed to be
Speaker 1: their bedrock, ultimately didn't play very well against Pittsburgh and
Speaker 1: definitely didn't play that well against Miami. Mean that's a matchup.
Speaker 1: You you thought Hoyer wouldn't be seen pressure he did.
Speaker 1: You thought they'd kind of mow them over. Not really,
Speaker 1: And I think t Y Hilton is the Jenga piece here.
Speaker 1: I was going to say the exact same thing. You know,
Speaker 1: that's Dave Damnishek's theory. Say, okay, well we're gonna say it. No,
Speaker 1: not Mark Well. I mean it's I was just getting excited.
Speaker 1: Not the guy that like makes them, you know, fall
Speaker 1: apart as a team. It's the guy that you pull
Speaker 1: the Jenga piece out and they're no longer watchable, Like
Speaker 1: they need t Y Hilton to be watchable because even
Speaker 1: you know, the Colts are the defense is a little
Speaker 1: bit more of the some of their parts are better
Speaker 1: than the actual pieces. It's us kind of they're just there.
Speaker 1: Did the Jags have a higher ceiling? There was too
Speaker 1: much Eric Ebron last week, you know, most of it bad.
Speaker 1: And I can't blame him for the touchdown that he
Speaker 1: caught and was rolled. An interception. I don't even know
Speaker 1: how that happens that you know, an interception is a
Speaker 1: pass caught in the air by a defensive player and
Speaker 1: not one tussled on the ground like pigs wallow in
Speaker 1: the mud. Understand that one. Uh. No t Y Hilton
Speaker 1: this week. It looks like no Devin Funcious, He's another
Speaker 1: week away. Still no Paris Campbell. I mean nihem Hines
Speaker 1: is playing as well as he has all year, but
Speaker 1: that's not enough. Yeah, they have Pascal. I I do
Speaker 1: want to just say, I'm I think the fulls Jags
Speaker 1: have a high ceiling and they have two receivers and
Speaker 1: Conley and Chark who can go down the field and
Speaker 1: get it. And you know, four nets faced more eight
Speaker 1: men and eight man boxes than just about any running
Speaker 1: back in the entire league. Maybe that eases up with
Speaker 1: Foals in there. I think this is potentially a six
Speaker 1: seed type of team. You gotta win a game like this. Well,
Speaker 1: I think they're ceiling is high. I think their best
Speaker 1: could be pretty good. I'm with you when we all
Speaker 1: Folds very briefly before he was injured in the opener,
Speaker 1: connect with Shark, with Chark deep the way that Minshew
Speaker 1: did it later in that game and has since. The
Speaker 1: one area that you want to see improvement that Gardner
Speaker 1: Minshew could not fix at quarterback was the red zone offense.
Speaker 1: There they've been a field goal attack because they cannot
Speaker 1: punch it in. And then I think they're the third
Speaker 1: worst team in the red zone. And that's where you
Speaker 1: think Nick Foles can help you. We've seen Amari Cooper
Speaker 1: and Michael Thomas have made some great boundary catches. D J.
Speaker 1: Chark is already one of the best boundary receivers in
Speaker 1: the NFL. He's he's a number one I think with
Speaker 1: no matter who's under center. A nice little player, all right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you really got me West because you box
Speaker 1: me in here. Because I'm snaking, and you know Greg
Speaker 1: always picks the Patriots. I'm always gonna watch the Jets.
Speaker 1: I don't care how bad they are. That's a that's
Speaker 1: an early game. So that's gonna take up my two screens.
Speaker 1: I only have two screens because I got my early game.
Speaker 1: Now with the Jackson Colts of Jets and Skins are
Speaker 1: gonna be on my second screen. Can't pick another early game.
Speaker 1: Now here's the problem. Here's the problem. I want to
Speaker 1: take a late game. There's only one left, so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna grab it. The Bengals at the Raiders. No one's
Speaker 1: gonna take Jets Redskins. We can we can all agree
Speaker 1: the team I forgot this is my is my last
Speaker 1: pick of the draft, so I'm essentially punting on um
Speaker 1: leading the Jets combo on Sunday, I'll take Bangles at
Speaker 1: Raiders and um, not much to see from the Cincinnati
Speaker 1: side of the ball, obviously, But you know what, I
Speaker 1: just like watching the Raiders this season, and I like
Speaker 1: watching them at the black Hole. And that's enough. And
Speaker 1: and what's been this is like the two thousand and
Speaker 1: thirteen draft, the Luke jokel Eric Fisher Draft. Where is
Speaker 1: That's not a lot of big time pops. So you
Speaker 1: find what you like and maybe it's just something that
Speaker 1: enriches you a little bit. There's nothing gonna be franchise shaking.
Speaker 1: So just give me this, this fun John Gruden team,
Speaker 1: and I'll sit back in the late afternoon or here
Speaker 1: in California early afternoon and just enjoy it. And I'll
Speaker 1: watch the Raiders and see if they can take care
Speaker 1: of business and further in trenched themselves as an a
Speaker 1: f C wild card team. This Bengals team. For the
Speaker 1: first time in the history of our podcast, this year's
Speaker 1: version reminds me of the nineteen nineties Bengals. The hopelessness,
Speaker 1: the apathy that's taking hold in Cincinnati, the smattering of
Speaker 1: fans last week in the stadium with a cartoon tiger
Speaker 1: that's supposed to scare the other team. It just looks
Speaker 1: ridiculous when it's on f field and it teams getting
Speaker 1: blown out and you're playing the wrong quarterback, a guy
Speaker 1: who's not nearly as good as the guy you benched
Speaker 1: um and in the defense that can't tackle anyone. Uh,
Speaker 1: young players that don't develop anymore. These are the signpost
Speaker 1: that I remember from the nineties, and it's just to
Speaker 1: disconnect with the fans right now. They just don't care.
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis is sitting back and just saying and in
Speaker 1: the Bengals defense, so much of this is injury never
Speaker 1: happened with him, although he had a couple pretty grizzly
Speaker 1: for when yes he did seasons that he survived and
Speaker 1: then would bounce back from. I don't think we can
Speaker 1: say too much about family. Wasn't exciting last week. I
Speaker 1: did a couple of things. Not an easy matchup. If
Speaker 1: this is a this is an easy matchup. This is
Speaker 1: a bad Raiders defense, and you should be able to
Speaker 1: put up points on them, even if you're Ryan Finley.
Speaker 1: I think we the one thing we could have hit
Speaker 1: on more coming out of that Raiders Chargers Thursday night affair.
Speaker 1: In our our recap that night was Clell and Farrell
Speaker 1: in the past rush making a difference and that hasn't
Speaker 1: happened that often for Oakland. But they gave Philip Rivers
Speaker 1: a tough time. And if you do that to this
Speaker 1: Bengals offense, because outside of Joe Mixon and we don't
Speaker 1: know if a J. Green is gonna what's going on
Speaker 1: with a j wait until Andy Dalton's back or something.
Speaker 1: That situation is absurd and I don't see how you
Speaker 1: know you the Bengals got eaten up by the Ravens
Speaker 1: tight ends last week. Here comes Darren Waller, show me
Speaker 1: you can stop anyone. And I worried for Zach Tiller
Speaker 1: because veteran players can decide pretty quickly on a coach
Speaker 1: and talk about a locker room that looks like they've
Speaker 1: completely not saying that they've bailed on their coach. We
Speaker 1: just don't know that. But what is happening week to
Speaker 1: week where there's belief growing in your first year coach?
Speaker 1: I don't see that. I see the opposite. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: he didn't deserve the job in the first place. And
Speaker 1: that's I mean, when a guy comes in that young,
Speaker 1: who'd never even called plays before, how is your team
Speaker 1: gonna respect him when you start out? Oh and nine?
Speaker 1: The the Raiders are in a weird spot, though totally
Speaker 1: expected to win. Didn't think that would be in that
Speaker 1: spot with the next two weeks Raiders and Jets. Uh,
Speaker 1: rather Bengals and Jets. The Raiders should get to seven
Speaker 1: and four. Jets on the road is a tougher one,
Speaker 1: but you know that's a new spot for a team
Speaker 1: that's that's won a lot of close games, has a
Speaker 1: pretty bad defense. We'll see coming off an emotional win
Speaker 1: getting half of bye, you know, do they come back
Speaker 1: feeling themselves against the winless team. Maybe this game is
Speaker 1: up a little closer than you'd expect, but I like
Speaker 1: the Raiders. Before we move on to the next pick,
Speaker 1: which will be a Chris Westling banger. A reminder, the
Speaker 1: instagram around the NFL handle is blowing up the A
Speaker 1: t N podcast. We are up to almost hundred followers,
Speaker 1: and yes we did say we would quit um if
Speaker 1: we didn't have ten thousand by Sunday. What I didn't
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Speaker 1: to the upcoming Sunday. So what we need is just
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Speaker 1: I know other people in the room have children. They
Speaker 1: are expensive, and you know, I'm not just gonna rashly
Speaker 1: dissolve my employment based on what a bunch of other
Speaker 1: people do on Instagram. Just throwing that out there. If
Speaker 1: if the show ends, I will find something else to
Speaker 1: do in the building. Oh no, we're not saying we're
Speaker 1: quitting in the NFL. Okay, just making it clear, right,
Speaker 1: you know that's not I thought you were saying the
Speaker 1: NFL podcast scab. You'd just be by yourself like it's
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler of the ARAM And I think that would
Speaker 1: be delightful, very smooth, like change the whole flow of
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Speaker 1: I mean, at this point, do we have enough value
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Speaker 1: almost the inverse of how we started, where we were
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Speaker 1: doing it to the point where I don't know, if
Speaker 1: there's no podcast, they may just say what do you
Speaker 1: what do you guys really do? Again? The only team
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Speaker 1: out West, You're up next. I want that Saints Bucks games.
Speaker 1: Like I said, thomb and Spielman r on a rule,
Speaker 1: every game they get is a banger. So let's take
Speaker 1: the Saints, who um have numbers one and two Drew
Speaker 1: Brees and Teddy Bridgewater uh and fewest air yards per
Speaker 1: attempt this season six point two yards and six point
Speaker 1: three yards. They don't stretch the field in any stretch
Speaker 1: of the imagination. Against a Bucks front seven that is
Speaker 1: improving throughout the season. You get Jason Pierre Paul back
Speaker 1: and he's playing like a man on fire the last
Speaker 1: two weeks. Devin White, the first round pick who really
Speaker 1: didn't do anything in the first half of the season,
Speaker 1: starting to play with speed and confidence. Ran right through
Speaker 1: some Cardinals ball carriers last week, taking them down. He's
Speaker 1: still missing some tackles, but you're seeing sort of a
Speaker 1: seeking destroy mentality from him as a linebacker that I
Speaker 1: like to watch. I would be all in on this
Speaker 1: Bucks team is perhaps my favorite team to watch. What
Speaker 1: is happening here? If I love it. If they had
Speaker 1: the other quarterback from last week's game, Kyler Murray, then
Speaker 1: they welcome. I mean, Jamis is a hard watch, just
Speaker 1: all arms and legs and never under control. And I can't.
Speaker 1: Can you take it a little bit, just a little
Speaker 1: bit West? Well, here's we're running. We're running behind. But
Speaker 1: I do need to hear this. What made you cry
Speaker 1: while watching that game? I didn't cry. It was just
Speaker 1: a joke. I was just like you did, choking about crying,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, yeah, this game I was
Speaker 1: just joking about. But here's the Yeah, Okay, Jamis. You
Speaker 1: know he makes makes a lot of mistakes. Uh, he
Speaker 1: is making more big plays and that's that has to
Speaker 1: be part of it. He is letting some of his
Speaker 1: receivers like Evans and Godwin and O. J. Howard and
Speaker 1: even the running backs shine by giving them a chance.
Speaker 1: And since they're bye week, I think the Bruce Arians
Speaker 1: offense looks a lot more like a Bruce Arians offense.
Speaker 1: Even if Winston isn't the ideal person to be running,
Speaker 1: they're better, They're more explosive. Right. Here's here's Jamis Winston
Speaker 1: in a nutshell. Over the last four weeks, he has
Speaker 1: the longest active streak of three yard games in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He also has the most giveaways in the NFL over
Speaker 1: that stretch with thirteen. I mean, he just keeps in
Speaker 1: the ball away. Um. I cannot believe. As I was
Speaker 1: watching that Saints game, it was hard to believe what
Speaker 1: you were watching against the Falcons. And I think the
Speaker 1: thing that really jumped out was how dominating Atlanta's defense was,
Speaker 1: how they were just flying all over the place. And
Speaker 1: to Dan Quinn's credit, I'll say this, for a team
Speaker 1: that looked like it had quit on its coach based
Speaker 1: on the results, that they were pumped up and ready
Speaker 1: to play that game. It was the proverbial this is
Speaker 1: our Super Bowl game, I think from the Falcons, who
Speaker 1: whose season was over. But at least they can, you know,
Speaker 1: go into the super Dome and you know, f up
Speaker 1: their rival. Um that said, this Saints team, nothing has
Speaker 1: changed about them. To me overall, that was a stinker loss.
Speaker 1: But I think they're gonna bounce back in a big way.
Speaker 1: I think the Bucks. The worst thing could have happened
Speaker 1: to the Bucks, in fact, is for the Saints to
Speaker 1: get um embarrassed. Quite frankly, they get an angry Saints.
Speaker 1: You've got Sean Payton, who's a guy who know has
Speaker 1: had to motivate. He's from Parcels Is Tree, Parcels was
Speaker 1: the master at that. You weren't so good, were you?
Speaker 1: You know, you know everyone was telling you you're the
Speaker 1: best team in the league. Will you didn't look like
Speaker 1: you know that type of motivation. I totally could see
Speaker 1: Peyton getting anonymous. Yes, do the angry Saints still blow
Speaker 1: teams out? Because I haven't seen a team that blows
Speaker 1: anyone out anymore. Well, they won thirty one nine before
Speaker 1: they went to the by right there. The final score
Speaker 1: was misleading, but they put a whooping on the Bucks
Speaker 1: that they have three games this year with no touchdown,
Speaker 1: So they're not a blowout. They're not to blow you
Speaker 1: about team. So maybe they're finding their way. And remember
Speaker 1: their quarterback, who you could talk about, maybe he's in decline.
Speaker 1: You could also say he missed a long stretch of
Speaker 1: games and it's gonna take him maybe to get up
Speaker 1: to speed a little bit with the rest of the team.
Speaker 1: Long way of saying that, I will be locking up
Speaker 1: the Saints here um on the road, because hell, they're
Speaker 1: the Saints, and just one loss is not gonna shake
Speaker 1: me to the core. Even if the Bucks are improving,
Speaker 1: I'm going to join you with that lock. And I
Speaker 1: I think the trolley carr lock situation has worked well
Speaker 1: for me mostly um, I I think the Bucks in
Speaker 1: West I'm still reeling from you suddenly fanning out on
Speaker 1: the Bucks, a team that because of the sunlight in
Speaker 1: their stadium, you and I have ignored for a long
Speaker 1: long time, the uniforms sunlight outdoor. They are fun to
Speaker 1: watch week after week. And I have been tough on
Speaker 1: Bruce Arians and questioning that Bruce Arians really wanted to
Speaker 1: do all this and come back. But you know what,
Speaker 1: there's you can see the Bruce Arians effects starting to
Speaker 1: take hold. I love that Ronald Jones is starting to
Speaker 1: clearly become the guy in the backfield, and he was.
Speaker 1: He made a big difference as a receiver last year.
Speaker 1: Loses its wings every time Peyton Barber gets to carry that.
Speaker 1: Ronald Jones should get that. I'm with you. I'm worried.
Speaker 1: He fumbled Ronald Jones and then he didn't see the
Speaker 1: field after that in the in the fourth quarter. This
Speaker 1: is a division game. The Saints really dominated them with
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater. What was it about five weeks ago? Now
Speaker 1: I do. I'm really fascinated. I wanted to take this
Speaker 1: game to see see what happens here because I think
Speaker 1: the Bucks have been playing better after the bye and uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I want to see if that's a
Speaker 1: one game blip for the Saints or if it's you know,
Speaker 1: we're going into the division part of the schedule. These
Speaker 1: teams know each other, while Arians is a little different
Speaker 1: obviously because he's a new coach, but they pretty much
Speaker 1: have their entire division schedule left to play. I think
Speaker 1: four more to go. Uh, and I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just want to make sure that's a one week blip
Speaker 1: out of the Saints and not something that we're gonna
Speaker 1: be tracking. Alright, moving on, Greg, you're on the clock.
Speaker 1: Well you took uh, you took Saints bucks from me.
Speaker 1: August West total anarchy today the draft, I'm really enjoying.
Speaker 1: You've done really well. There's clearly some there's new people
Speaker 1: running West's front office this summer. This is like an
Speaker 1: old fantasy draft where you feeling really good after the
Speaker 1: draft because everybody wanted your guys. You got the eye
Speaker 1: of the tiger back. Yeah, oh yeah, And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the Panthers and Falcons NFC South Long
Speaker 1: my favorite vision. Not its best year, but I was
Speaker 1: intrigued by by the Falcons showing up and kind of
Speaker 1: being the team we thought maybe they would be all
Speaker 1: season last week, at least on defense. And I think
Speaker 1: this Panther's offensive line is been pretty poor and last
Speaker 1: week was another week it's been poor. And Kyle Allen
Speaker 1: asking him to win versus pressure. I think it's a
Speaker 1: lot to ask. And I do think this could be
Speaker 1: an upset special just because I don't buy the fact
Speaker 1: that a team with him a former m v P
Speaker 1: who in my mind, Matt Ryan is still in prime
Speaker 1: going against Kyle Allen and his eighth start. I don't
Speaker 1: see that as some crazy upset, And I'm just I
Speaker 1: think this could be a different Falcons team down the stretch.
Speaker 1: Maybe not great, but win three or four more games
Speaker 1: and and cause some havoc mat Brian moves to chains.
Speaker 1: They're in the top five again and drive success rate.
Speaker 1: They're super banged up at running back, DeVonta Freeman out,
Speaker 1: you know, Smith out, Brian Hill. I don't think it
Speaker 1: hurt some, but hell looks fine that he looked better
Speaker 1: than DeVonta Freeman has not been great all or to
Speaker 1: begin with. But I if we're gonna look at the
Speaker 1: Saints what happened last week against the Falcons, say, I
Speaker 1: want to see what happens, you know, if that, if
Speaker 1: any of that sticks, I feel the same way about
Speaker 1: Atlanta's pass rush and everything Atlanta like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: The Panthers also went into Green Bay, and I thought
Speaker 1: they played it. They that was a tough environment they've got.
Speaker 1: It's easy to forget that Kyle Allen is still very inexperienced,
Speaker 1: and they battled the Packers, an NFC title type team
Speaker 1: right down to the end. And I trust this was
Speaker 1: where I was gonna go locking potentially because I trust
Speaker 1: Carolina to put it on the Falcons on Sunday. Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn on the sideline during that Saints win, he was
Speaker 1: beaming by the end of the game because he understood
Speaker 1: not not only is it just a great win obviously
Speaker 1: against the rival and what's been a really tough season,
Speaker 1: but now there's a path I think that I don't
Speaker 1: think he has a good chance or even a decent
Speaker 1: chance of saving his job, but the puncher's chance is
Speaker 1: that they can really string together a run coming off
Speaker 1: what was just kind of for them a monumental win
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. Um So I do think it's a
Speaker 1: dangerous game, I think for the Panthers, who aren't really
Speaker 1: built to blow teams out. Uh and the Falcons have
Speaker 1: that ability to move the ball on offense, and their
Speaker 1: defense certainly looked much better, much better. I mean, Younger
Speaker 1: is getting all the credit. Zeeve Weiss reported that, you
Speaker 1: know we talked about Jeff all Brick was calling their defense.
Speaker 1: He's calling their rundowns. And remind people who younger is
Speaker 1: because I coach now calling their plays on passing downs.
Speaker 1: They switched them from offense to defense, and everybody in
Speaker 1: their secondary said he's a great communicator. Like the difference
Speaker 1: in the game last week was Wheheem Morris taking over
Speaker 1: the secondary. So we'll see, you know, that could be
Speaker 1: just one of these storylines somebody's pushing out, but it
Speaker 1: made a difference on the f than McCaffrey. I just
Speaker 1: don't see what's so special about this Panthers team. I know,
Speaker 1: statistically they're very good against the past, but they can't
Speaker 1: stop the run. The pass rush is not They have
Speaker 1: a lot of sacks on the season, but at least lately,
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem as good. Brian Burns got hurt and
Speaker 1: then has been totally and they don't even play him
Speaker 1: at this point. It's very strange to watch Luke Keikley
Speaker 1: kind of being pushed back in the running game. It's
Speaker 1: not his fault because his defensive lineman can't get the
Speaker 1: blockers off him, and this whole team is always playing
Speaker 1: kind of backing up. Well, this seems to happen to
Speaker 1: me more than more than a few times. But I'm
Speaker 1: stuck in this scenario where I'm gonna have three one
Speaker 1: o'clock games, which is an absolute nightmare, so it didn't
Speaker 1: have to be that way. But I like the fact
Speaker 1: that I'm going to get to watch Houston to Baltimore.
Speaker 1: So I need to pick a game that I can
Speaker 1: put maybe half attention on, and that feels to me
Speaker 1: like the Bills in the Dolphins. And I like this
Speaker 1: Dolphins team, and I'm not trying to be, you know,
Speaker 1: snarky at all. I think they're they've Brian Flores is
Speaker 1: someone that you know is in a very tough situation
Speaker 1: this year, has done a good job coaching this team,
Speaker 1: does not killing them kill themselves with penalties. I think
Speaker 1: they're better coach team than, for instance, my Browns at
Speaker 1: this point. I really do. He's gotten a lot out
Speaker 1: of a little and Buffalo not a trap game necessarily,
Speaker 1: but it might be because the Bills really I thought
Speaker 1: last week against Cleveland they probably should have won that game.
Speaker 1: They don't impress me on offense, and they feel like
Speaker 1: a team that's gonna when they make when they win
Speaker 1: eleven games and they go into the playoffs, they're gonna
Speaker 1: get bonked early because they cannot keep up with a
Speaker 1: team that scores I liked. I think they have a
Speaker 1: nasty secondary, and there's no reason they shouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to take out Miami. But this game could be a
Speaker 1: little fourteen to tend type situation. I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: if it is the Bills fans who see this as
Speaker 1: a trap game or a game maker look ahead. You
Speaker 1: can't look ahead of anybody. You're not good enough to
Speaker 1: look ahead of anybody Buffalo. And it's not it's not
Speaker 1: like a shot across the ball. It's just the reality
Speaker 1: when you look at this. I think most most Bills
Speaker 1: fans are mostly realistic about this. I would go watch
Speaker 1: what the Dolphins defense did against the Cults in the
Speaker 1: first half last week. They complately took out Indianapolis because yes,
Speaker 1: it is Alan is just not there, but they're selling
Speaker 1: it up. I also think you just just watch the
Speaker 1: last Bills Dolphins game. That's kind of when these teams
Speaker 1: seasons started to flip. Bills were winning in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Dolphins were winning in the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: in Buffalo. The secondary, with guys like Nick need Him,
Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent, playing great at cornerback, They're doing
Speaker 1: great against some of the worst receiving corps in the league,
Speaker 1: like the Jets, the injury depleted Colts, and now the
Speaker 1: Bills come in and John Brown's playing great, cool Beastly
Speaker 1: has been all right. They really need Robert Foster, who
Speaker 1: I think for the first time all year, played last
Speaker 1: We had his first catch of the year, and you
Speaker 1: heard guys on the other team saying, we knew Robert
Speaker 1: Foster was out there, we knew where he was. We
Speaker 1: we brought coverage his way and he didn't have a
Speaker 1: huge impact in the game. But they need him to
Speaker 1: be that guy. They traded away their number two receivers,
Speaker 1: they can about anybody to take and have all the
Speaker 1: receivers they want. They they need a quarterback. I mean
Speaker 1: they there's a difference between arm strength being good throwing
Speaker 1: the ball vertically. Josh Allen I think is the worst
Speaker 1: vertical passer in the entire NFL. He's he was over
Speaker 1: thirteen on passes over thirty yards going into two weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and he missed another four. And when he misses, I
Speaker 1: mean he misses by like twenty yards. I can't even
Speaker 1: he gets the comparisons to Cam and I get it's
Speaker 1: closer to Kaepernick. He doesn't put any loft or touch
Speaker 1: on I get it because he has a red zone
Speaker 1: weapon and he's the biggest reason why they're, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the top teams in the red zone. But
Speaker 1: he's not a streaky quarterback because there's no hot streaks.
Speaker 1: There's no hot streaks in terms of difficult throws. It
Speaker 1: just doesn't happen. Do we buy the Frank Gore going
Speaker 1: in any of Miami as a revenge game every week?
Speaker 1: It feels like every team has a revenge game. He's
Speaker 1: not giving them anything the last few weeks. I don't
Speaker 1: know if. Yeah, they're they're not using him that as
Speaker 1: much now. They use them in short yardage in the
Speaker 1: goal line. Yeah, they need to get as much Devin
Speaker 1: Singletary as possible because along with you know, John Brown,
Speaker 1: he's they're the two best players on that offense. Bills
Speaker 1: lay in five and a half points of wood in
Speaker 1: the desert. It seems like a lot of would Greg
Speaker 1: I've been look at the axe out and chopped that dawn.
Speaker 1: You know. I you know, if you read my game picks,
Speaker 1: I pay attention to what's going on in terms of
Speaker 1: what you know it is expected, and I try to
Speaker 1: making a choice here who you know, and I've been
Speaker 1: riding the Dolphins three straight weeks. They've They've been fine.
Speaker 1: I get it. They're playing hard, they're playing well. You
Speaker 1: can do it again. Dolphins are too banged up. All right,
Speaker 1: let us move on. We snake back to Cessler. That
Speaker 1: is a long snake. His sound effect. Um, you're like,
Speaker 1: I am. I am taking Jets at uh Washington. I
Speaker 1: think I've covered the Redskins four or five times this year.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep doing it. I am interested in the Jets.
Speaker 1: I haven't tracked them obviously because of you, Dan on
Speaker 1: any Sunday Live. I wanted I feel like this is there.
Speaker 1: It's a gift to you, an early Christmas press, thank you,
Speaker 1: and what it is, Uh, well, if the Jets should
Speaker 1: handle this game, I want to show up. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, here's the thing you've got, Dwayne Haskins.
Speaker 1: Greg Williams should love the fact that Dwayne Haskins, in
Speaker 1: a very uh you know, paint by numbers offense with
Speaker 1: no creative folds to it, is your opponent this time around.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like that what was the Tracy
Speaker 1: Chapman song? If not now, then when how about that Jets?
Speaker 1: If wait, why not Sam Donald going in and having
Speaker 1: one of his better games this week, and the Levy
Speaker 1: on Bell who tells everyone, you know, I'm the hero
Speaker 1: of running backs because I held out and showed running
Speaker 1: backs how to get contracts. Well, you might also be
Speaker 1: showing certain running backs if you want to go sign
Speaker 1: that big money deal, you better be careful where it
Speaker 1: is because this is shaping up. And you may disagree
Speaker 1: with me as a lost campaign for Levy on Bell
Speaker 1: and you want to hope that it's it looks very
Speaker 1: different next year. This Jets team to me like Sam
Speaker 1: Donald and it's it's the same thing you could say
Speaker 1: about Baker Mayfield or Josh Allen. Some of these second
Speaker 1: year quarterbacks go have a game that's a signature game
Speaker 1: against a bad Redskins team on the road. Kenny Albert
Speaker 1: misidentified balal Pal as Levy on Bell at one point
Speaker 1: last week, and it made me sad because I understood
Speaker 1: like there wasn't much difference between the two. He was
Speaker 1: not moving well, he's he's very banged up about three
Speaker 1: or four weeks ago, savaging three point one yours per carry.
Speaker 1: Their line is the is the I agree with you.
Speaker 1: Redskins have an okay, pass rush here not timing again. Also,
Speaker 1: let me let me just say this about Levy on Bell.
Speaker 1: He certainly is not moving well right now. Um. I
Speaker 1: thought he was moving with juice when he got any
Speaker 1: chance early in the season, But the offensive line has
Speaker 1: been so bad that I think he's gotten beaten up
Speaker 1: to the point where he doesn't have that extra gear.
Speaker 1: So it's been hard to ever see whether or not
Speaker 1: he's still Levy on Bell because he's just playing behind
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's I agree with you on that
Speaker 1: mark this idea that are you gonna take the biggest
Speaker 1: money or you're gonna take a very close look at
Speaker 1: the roster and especially the offensive line. But it's easy
Speaker 1: to say now in mid November, but when the Jets, um,
Speaker 1: we're putting together the team, it appeared that maybe the
Speaker 1: offensive line would be better, that Sam Donald would be
Speaker 1: a guy that would take a huge leap, that Adam
Speaker 1: Gaze could be a guy that would be very friendly
Speaker 1: to uh. Levy On Bell uh type player. And none
Speaker 1: of that has panned out this season. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I imagine he'll be back next year. He's uh,
Speaker 1: but I don't think he's made the difference on the
Speaker 1: offense that you expect. It feels like he's had about
Speaker 1: five thousand, uh three yard runs this year. That's what
Speaker 1: did you think? Dan? Of the Adam Gaze getting the
Speaker 1: typically dreaded but in this case seemed very real vote
Speaker 1: of confidence from Jets ownership. I believe that let's let's
Speaker 1: push pause on that, because I think that Christopher Johnson,
Speaker 1: the acting owner, he has a lot invested in Gaze
Speaker 1: because it was his higher, and it's such a bad
Speaker 1: look if you go one and done with your higher,
Speaker 1: especially when you're only the quote unquote nerve for X
Speaker 1: amount of time until Woody comes back in the into
Speaker 1: the fold from the UK, I thought it was an
Speaker 1: unnecessary thing to say, just because what are you gonna
Speaker 1: do if this thing gets even worse from now until
Speaker 1: New Year's It's it's not I don't know if it's unnecessary,
Speaker 1: but I certainly don't write it in pen. I wish
Speaker 1: I could remember the example, but there was one very
Speaker 1: recently where a very similar thing happened where a coach
Speaker 1: who got the vote of convince he's gonna be back
Speaker 1: next year got fired seven weeks later, and no one
Speaker 1: even cared or barely noticed because it had just spiraled
Speaker 1: so far out of control that like, you know, the
Speaker 1: world is gonna change in second weeks. No one's gonna
Speaker 1: go crazy. I get it, though, if they win a
Speaker 1: couple of games and nothing crazy happens, he'll be back.
Speaker 1: I would trust that. I do wonder though this could
Speaker 1: be a tough spot for them. I mean, the Redskins
Speaker 1: have a pretty good defensive line. Ian Ias has been
Speaker 1: playing great, Dron payne Um whom I forgotten, Jonathan Allen.
Speaker 1: That group against the Jets offensive line, they could cause
Speaker 1: enough problems. And in the Redskins have kept games close.
Speaker 1: That's partly why they've you know, gone so quickly. They
Speaker 1: lose by like ten every week. And I'll say this
Speaker 1: for Dwayne Haskins. He throw He had about three throws
Speaker 1: in that game where he showed great timing anticipation, where
Speaker 1: he threw the guy open, where he threw it well
Speaker 1: before the guy made their breaks. He you talk about West,
Speaker 1: you know there's this quarterbacks that need to see it
Speaker 1: to throw it, like Ryan Tannehill and Cutler. He's not
Speaker 1: one of those guys. So that's that's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why he was drafted in the first round. Maybe
Speaker 1: after the bye week they'll they'll coach him up and
Speaker 1: be a little more aggressive. I mean, they barely let
Speaker 1: him do anything, but he had a couple of throws
Speaker 1: that you you saw and you were like, Okay, Dayne
Speaker 1: Haskins should note Darius guy Speck for this game too,
Speaker 1: And we should also know because I don't think we
Speaker 1: mentioned that. It was announced that Haskins will start for
Speaker 1: the rest of the season in Washington, so you could
Speaker 1: end that merry go around. Well, let's see how that go.
Speaker 1: Talk about this. That could change. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that makes sense. Just keep him in there
Speaker 1: at this point because you could be in play to
Speaker 1: draft a different quarter if you really wanted to, depending
Speaker 1: on who's there. Well, yeah, that's how the that's how
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is someone we're talking about with flowery terms
Speaker 1: at this point. I will take the there's only two
Speaker 1: two choices here. Let's go Cowboys Lions. Uh the Jeff
Speaker 1: d Jeff Driscoll, you know, because uh one, Jeff Driscoll
Speaker 1: this close to a perfect game West game out there
Speaker 1: for yeah, it's not it's not terrible, and and a
Speaker 1: blooper over the shortstops head. It doesn't, boy, I mean
Speaker 1: it was sort of. I don't have it. I didn't
Speaker 1: have a strike. I mean, I don't have to watch Driscoll. Now,
Speaker 1: you know what. Driscoll not definitely, but Stafford hasn't practiced.
Speaker 1: In the tone of the way they're talking about Stafford
Speaker 1: makes you wonder he might not be back for a while.
Speaker 1: We could be seeing Driscoll on Thanksgiving, so get ready
Speaker 1: am on the West coast. Then here's the thing. Here's
Speaker 1: the thing with Driscoll. Though he's not he's not an
Speaker 1: effective quarterback, he's not terrible to watch because he's so athletic. Hey,
Speaker 1: they they put up a hundred and fifty more yards
Speaker 1: and the Bears did last think he's got the worst
Speaker 1: accuracy of any quarterback on any much not much of
Speaker 1: a thrower. But uh, maybe they'll keep letting him run
Speaker 1: around a little more, and man, he could be one
Speaker 1: of the best running quarterbacks in the league. I want
Speaker 1: to see the Cowboys put one on him, though. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's why I want to watch it is is watch
Speaker 1: this cowboy's office, uh convincingly when they're healthy. There's no
Speaker 1: reason they like that because, yeah, Mark, you were saying
Speaker 1: that Sam Donald, the Jets put it on a bad
Speaker 1: red suit. Well, the Jets are bad, so it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't see that. But the Cowboys, Cowboys
Speaker 1: should be good. West. You you talk about uh d
Speaker 1: O d v O A and the way to deal
Speaker 1: d v O A and all that. It's usually I
Speaker 1: bring up bring up v O A typically, But they're
Speaker 1: still even now five and four, I think top five
Speaker 1: or thereabouts in both those categories, so that the machines
Speaker 1: are telling us they are good. And then you look
Speaker 1: at the record five and four. At some point, something's
Speaker 1: got to give here. Either the machines wrong West or
Speaker 1: the team's wrong, and we're gonna find out. And and
Speaker 1: if they somehow, if if the Cowboys somehow play the
Speaker 1: lines the way the Bears did last week, which was
Speaker 1: way closer than it should have been, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: I don't care what the DVOS says. That's gonna be
Speaker 1: a major red flag. Go whip up on the lines here,
Speaker 1: go whip them West. Everybody's right. D v O as
Speaker 1: right that play to play. They're one of the strongest
Speaker 1: teams in the league. But skeptics are right that they
Speaker 1: can't finish in close games and that that hurts their record.
Speaker 1: They have to show out of the finishing close games.
Speaker 1: And Gregg has gotten on Jakeson Garrett for his game management.
Speaker 1: They're losing some games because they're too conservative, and they're
Speaker 1: also losing games because their defense is a shadow of
Speaker 1: what it was last year. I give Garrett some credit
Speaker 1: for saying, you know, during the week, you know, we
Speaker 1: don't wanna we don't want to get trapped in trying
Speaker 1: to be, you know, tough. I'm butchering the way he
Speaker 1: said it for toughness sake. Essentially, we we should He
Speaker 1: was copying to the fact that they ran the ball
Speaker 1: a little too much, that they were trying to play
Speaker 1: bullyball when the when the game in front of them
Speaker 1: really tells him that's not what you should be doing.
Speaker 1: Breaking news here on the Cleveland Browns Beat. Oh what
Speaker 1: does that mean? Antonio Callaway has been waived? Is that
Speaker 1: a big surprise to me? That jumped out of me.
Speaker 1: You know, he was late to the game last week,
Speaker 1: he was benched, deactivated. They've had issues with him. He's
Speaker 1: a suspended player who has you know, known past problems
Speaker 1: and I think he probably has tried their patients too much. Well,
Speaker 1: there's on field character and there's off field character, and
Speaker 1: he's checking both boxes because he made way too many
Speaker 1: mistakes on the field in addition to the off field problems.
Speaker 1: As a hard knocks afficionado, Um, he jumps out to
Speaker 1: me because all they could talk about was the talent
Speaker 1: on this guy who's a fourth round pick last year,
Speaker 1: his speed, his game breaking ability. But yes, all those
Speaker 1: red flags off the field. Apparently it got to the point.
Speaker 1: I mean, he had five eighties, six and five as
Speaker 1: a rookie, but hadn't done anything. And these are the
Speaker 1: things I think Freddie Kitchens has to do to have
Speaker 1: to show, not only to gain control or really establish
Speaker 1: himself in that locker room, put to put it out
Speaker 1: there in the public. I hey, I got this under control.
Speaker 1: To his own ownership group, I'm gonna if these guys
Speaker 1: are out of line, I'm gonna make sure this is
Speaker 1: a locker room that does it the right way. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's been one of the challenges he's been
Speaker 1: facing the season. Kitchens came out very strongly about Callaway
Speaker 1: this week, and whenever he's in that circle of players
Speaker 1: where when something like this happens. You wonder what they
Speaker 1: know or what they know is coming down the pike
Speaker 1: for player X, who has had issues before, suspensions and
Speaker 1: all sorts of problems. Do you have the patent at
Speaker 1: Sessler fear that he could pull like a Chris Carter
Speaker 1: type move. Do you think he has that talent? No,
Speaker 1: I'm not, like I can't really. I have enough to
Speaker 1: worry about in life to have that. You know what
Speaker 1: I'll say, it's as a side note to that, I
Speaker 1: really enjoy watching I think Josh Gordon looks awesome in
Speaker 1: a Seahawks uniform and the Patriots. Yeah, I'm happy for
Speaker 1: Josh Gordon at this point. That doesn't hurt. You cannot
Speaker 1: cling to this stuff. Cleveland should take care of their
Speaker 1: own business. How about that? My charring Mark Sessler like
Speaker 1: it's got too many other things to deal with? Cowboys Lions.
Speaker 1: If Stafford was playing, I would have looked in the
Speaker 1: mirror and locked up the Cowboys. But I can't can't
Speaker 1: do it. That's great, that's great mirror work. I'm fired
Speaker 1: today was close it out West? Uh. That leads me
Speaker 1: with the Broncos and Vikings, and the Vikings I think
Speaker 1: right now have an issue in their secondary, but I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if Brandon Allen is the guy to exploit that,
Speaker 1: although I do think Cortonland Sutton can really toast Davia
Speaker 1: Roads if that's the matchup, because Davia Rhodes is still
Speaker 1: moving a step or too slow this year and Courtland
Speaker 1: Sutton has just really impressed me all year long as
Speaker 1: a legitimate number one. He and DJ Charker, those two
Speaker 1: young guys who I really think have stepped forward and
Speaker 1: claim that status. Allen wasn't afraid to throw the ball.
Speaker 1: They they didn't need him to do it too much.
Speaker 1: If nothing else, the Broncos fans, I think can see
Speaker 1: some breakout players in Sutton, Justin Simmons. I think if
Speaker 1: you were a fan of the Broncos, you wanted to
Speaker 1: see Philip Lindsay backup and Alexander Johnson. You want to
Speaker 1: see Lindsay back up of his offensive rookie of the
Speaker 1: year because I was so out of nowhere. But I
Speaker 1: think he's looked just as good this year. They want
Speaker 1: to balance the carries. That's fine, He's very valuable as
Speaker 1: a rotation guy. Go go, go keep this game interesting, Broncos.
Speaker 1: I don't know I finally got something from no offense
Speaker 1: against the Browns, which you're waiting all year for. I
Speaker 1: thought that Minnesota did a nice job of counteracting the
Speaker 1: pass rush against the Cowboys, and you know this is
Speaker 1: not the first game they've done this with Cousins dumping
Speaker 1: the ball up to Dalvin Cook, who absolutely ate up
Speaker 1: Dallas during the first half of that game last week.
Speaker 1: And Dalvin Cook, like just week after week, is that guy.
Speaker 1: He is just so so dangerous. He's broken more tackles
Speaker 1: as a receiver than any running back in the league.
Speaker 1: I think he's third overall among running backs. He's on
Speaker 1: pace to have the the highest yards from scrimmage in
Speaker 1: a season since Adrian Peterson's m v P year of
Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve. Now McCaffrey's actually is ahead of
Speaker 1: his pace, but that's how good Dalvin Cook has been. Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: This has all this feels like one of those we
Speaker 1: talked about West the other side of this. But when
Speaker 1: they're at home, it's an early game against the bad team,
Speaker 1: and the Vikings are just gonna whip. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: you know, never seven late in the second quarter, never
Speaker 1: ever pick against the Vikings in their dome. Just don't
Speaker 1: do it. They're a different team and their two edge
Speaker 1: rushers Everson Griffin and Daniel Hunter in that building. In
Speaker 1: that building was like having Joey and Nick Boso on
Speaker 1: your team saying I should flip my Denver keeping it
Speaker 1: to a nine point. You know, I think this is
Speaker 1: this is the biggest lock of a blowout. I see.
Speaker 1: I think you couldn't look in the mirror. The Vikings
Speaker 1: in the stadium are just a different team. I take
Speaker 1: a look in the mirror. I saw nothing, so I
Speaker 1: walked away over the Although Raiders Bengals is a lock
Speaker 1: of a blowout, I would think you saw nothing in
Speaker 1: the mirror. That's that raises concerns of its own. All right, Uh,
Speaker 1: let us now move to the primetime game starting with
Speaker 1: I mean again, Greg said it all and I agree
Speaker 1: with him. Uh the Bears at Rams. This is a
Speaker 1: game that should have been flexed out. It wasn't, so
Speaker 1: we will see uh Mitch Trobinsky in prime time on
Speaker 1: the road. Oh, that just sounds bad. That sounds like
Speaker 1: a disaster, because even even after they went over the
Speaker 1: lines last week, which snapped their losing streak, if you
Speaker 1: take out the three touchdown drives that kind of book
Speaker 1: ended halftime. It was another disastrous um performance, especially many
Speaker 1: factor in how bad the lines have been on defense
Speaker 1: this year. So not a ton of growth on the
Speaker 1: Bears offense even in a win. Uh. I'd be most
Speaker 1: interesting Greg in seeing how Jared Goff and the Rams
Speaker 1: offense looks, because it's getting grim real grim. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was there, Nader so far last week in Pittsburgh. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm enough to watch, right, I'm not sure if embarrassed
Speaker 1: is the right word about whatever it is that. You know,
Speaker 1: they have a lot of pride in their offense, and
Speaker 1: they had three points in fifteen drives and I think
Speaker 1: that they had to been hurting after that to get
Speaker 1: that dominated. And if you go back to last year,
Speaker 1: this game, which which took place at the beginning of December,
Speaker 1: was kind of the the true beginning of when it
Speaker 1: started to fall apart for this offense because the Bears
Speaker 1: and the Lions who did it the week before, but
Speaker 1: the Bears really had that front that that hurt the
Speaker 1: outside zone that the Rams love to do, and they
Speaker 1: held them to six points. And the thing that killed
Speaker 1: me last week was Jared Goff when he did have protection,
Speaker 1: and I know the offensive line was terrible, but the
Speaker 1: times he did have protection, you know that it's like
Speaker 1: he felt that he he had one play to Girly
Speaker 1: where they had a screen set up and he just
Speaker 1: threw a fast ball and there was no one near him.
Speaker 1: It was just kind of a young, panicked type of throws.
Speaker 1: And there was a few of those where they were
Speaker 1: just broken plays. They were ugly where the ball was
Speaker 1: nowhere near the receiver or people were confused, and that's
Speaker 1: stuff you didn't expect to see out of the Rams.
Speaker 1: We've been harping on their offensive line since September and
Speaker 1: since then they've lost three guys. They're right tackles out
Speaker 1: their centers for the year and you know Joseph Nope
Speaker 1: Nope was was injured earlier in the year. So this
Speaker 1: is a makeshift offensive line, right. I thought about locking
Speaker 1: this up and for which side for the Rams, and
Speaker 1: it's actually it's kind of crazy. It's almost on the
Speaker 1: edge of that wouldn't even be allowable under my rules
Speaker 1: in terms of being a one possession you know game.
Speaker 1: The Rams are pretty heavy favorites here, uh, because they're
Speaker 1: two good defenses, and I think people are thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: these defenses are equal. Really they've been both top five
Speaker 1: six defenses, and Rabinsky against a good defense is a disaster.
Speaker 1: But who knows. This could be a game where it's
Speaker 1: a turnover, or it's a special teams player, it's a
Speaker 1: bounce of the ball. So I don't I don't even
Speaker 1: feel good enough to say the Rams are definitely I'm
Speaker 1: not really buying that win over the Lions as a
Speaker 1: get well games right. They had two twenty two yards
Speaker 1: in that game. The fewest the Lions had given up
Speaker 1: before that was three seventy. The go watch the final
Speaker 1: couple drives that Chicago had to. I mean it didn't,
Speaker 1: it didn't last. Chase Daniel might play in this game,
Speaker 1: this with the with the prime time lights on and
Speaker 1: Trabinsky being as bad as he's been against the good defense,
Speaker 1: that and the and the Rams really need this win.
Speaker 1: And I always, you know, I put a lot into that.
Speaker 1: When these teams that are hanging around five hundred that
Speaker 1: are good teams or teams on the you know, right
Speaker 1: on the bubble, they gotta go one way or the other.
Speaker 1: I think the Rams to deliver a big performance here,
Speaker 1: and Trabinsky flops. Let's address some other issues with the
Speaker 1: Bear since we talked about tri whisky. Every week, they
Speaker 1: are averaging their fewest rushing yards per game since nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1: They can't run. They can't run the ball. Uh we
Speaker 1: know that. O. J. Howard is perhaps the most disappointing
Speaker 1: fantasy tight end in the league. He has two twenty
Speaker 1: three yards. The entire Bears tight end room combined has
Speaker 1: two d and twenty three yards. Trey Burton doesn't even
Speaker 1: have a hundred. James Daniels, the guy they drafted in
Speaker 1: the second round to play center, had to be shifted
Speaker 1: to guard last week because he wasn't playing center. Adam Sheen,
Speaker 1: the tight end they drafted in the second round with
Speaker 1: was a healthy scratch last week. You're making me want
Speaker 1: to lock up the ring. Nick Williams, a journeyman defensive
Speaker 1: end who's playing because the Kim Hicks isn't is injured,
Speaker 1: has more sacks than Khalil Mack this year. This team
Speaker 1: has tons of problems. It's not just Mr Business right
Speaker 1: and on the offensive side, no tight end action, you
Speaker 1: can't run the ball. What's tough for on a young quarterback?
Speaker 1: Then no security blanket at the tight end position, and
Speaker 1: the running game has been Anne McK week after week
Speaker 1: total disaster. Sorry Bears fans, that was yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 1: They know, they know, they know, they know. They didn't
Speaker 1: get fun out of last week. It's been a rough
Speaker 1: season for them, and they haven't given up. Rank rowan
Speaker 1: article this week saying the Bears have a better chance
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs and the Rams for all that
Speaker 1: stuff we just talked about, and then do what if
Speaker 1: they beat the Rams? It's pretty close because they'll both
Speaker 1: be five and five. They have things that they can do.
Speaker 1: This is a big game for the Rams. I actually
Speaker 1: haven't given up on them as a potential wild card
Speaker 1: team because their defense is so good. Um, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's crazy to believe is that they're going
Speaker 1: to find a way to get to ten or eleven
Speaker 1: wins the Los Angeles Rams. I don't think it's that
Speaker 1: crazy yet. There. I'm not giving up. They've it's been
Speaker 1: it's been bad. You're not gonna you're gonna play Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: Everything that means though what we were not getting Minnesota,
Speaker 1: We're not getting Philly or Dallas, or we're not getting
Speaker 1: a team like the Seattle in the playoffs in place
Speaker 1: of a Rams team. That's not that fun to watch
Speaker 1: things happen Monday night football. The Kansas City Chiefs six
Speaker 1: and four shot themselves on the foot against the Titans
Speaker 1: last week. You know, I had about seven thousand yards
Speaker 1: of off ens around the field the entire game, and
Speaker 1: somehow they get beat by the Titans. Uh. Now they
Speaker 1: welcome the Chargers four and six. The Chargers seemed like
Speaker 1: they were getting themselves back on track and then they
Speaker 1: do not get it done in Oakland, UH last Thursday.
Speaker 1: So there are four and six. So it is a
Speaker 1: absolute must win game mark for the Chargers. But the
Speaker 1: Chiefs have Patrick Mahomes, who could be healthier another week
Speaker 1: removed from his knee injury. It seems like a very
Speaker 1: tough spot. Oh, Mahomes moved well and looked pretty good,
Speaker 1: and I the one area that a little hitchen is
Speaker 1: gidea up. It seems it's not I'm not saying like
Speaker 1: one Mahomes, but the rest almost helped him with some
Speaker 1: of the ankle stuff and foot stuff that was going
Speaker 1: on earlier in the year. It was impressive to watch
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry ripped through Kansas City's defense with big holes,
Speaker 1: and I wonder if that's if you're if you're the Chargers,
Speaker 1: you don't try something similar there because you can score
Speaker 1: on Kansas City, you can move the ball, you can
Speaker 1: sustain drives and keep my homes off the field. That said,
Speaker 1: a week ago, we were talking about the Chargers as
Speaker 1: the a f C surge team that's gonna answer everyone's
Speaker 1: problems down the stretch, and they, to me, just cannot
Speaker 1: get out of their own way. I know they're banged up,
Speaker 1: but you fall to Oakland, you lose this one in
Speaker 1: your home stadium on Monday night with a crowd that's
Speaker 1: probably gonna be in Mexico City, Mexico. I was gonna
Speaker 1: say that seems like it would be Chiefs fans in
Speaker 1: that Charger stadium, but it won't be the case. I mean,
Speaker 1: they had a great win, as we know, at home
Speaker 1: against the Packers, and it's not a sin to lose
Speaker 1: by two points in the black hole. So I think
Speaker 1: it took wind out of their sales, no doubt, but
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not ready to say that that it was.
Speaker 1: It was the wrong thing to say that they can
Speaker 1: make a charge, but they have to win this game.
Speaker 1: What losing to the Raiders men is now they have
Speaker 1: to beat the Chiefs otherwise they're pretty much shocked, right
Speaker 1: I don't I don't feel that comfortable locking against them.
Speaker 1: I'm going to and take the Chiefs use I you know,
Speaker 1: I think the Chargers their ceiling is very high, and
Speaker 1: they beat the Chiefs in Arrowhead, you know, last December
Speaker 1: in in a big spot. But this is not that
Speaker 1: same Chargers team. And ultimately, I gotta trust what I've
Speaker 1: seen out of their defense over the course of you know,
Speaker 1: ten weeks. They're a little healthier now, certainly on the edges,
Speaker 1: and that could give problems. But they're just not a
Speaker 1: good defense. And if you're not a good defense and
Speaker 1: you're going up against this Chief's offense that's as healthy
Speaker 1: as it's been all year. I just don't trust them
Speaker 1: to keep it under forty. And it's it's just a
Speaker 1: hard way to win if you want, if you're trying
Speaker 1: to just run the ball with Gordon and Ekeler the
Speaker 1: whole time. Interesting, I am with you, but also the
Speaker 1: Chiefs haven't haven't quite put it together this year. It's
Speaker 1: in a neutral sight, uh, you know, the air quality
Speaker 1: and and the height of where it is and all
Speaker 1: that stuff like it could be wild game. There's way
Speaker 1: too much overreaction to the Chiefs lost last week on
Speaker 1: a bunch of fluke plays. And we all know from
Speaker 1: Greg and the Patriots stands that run defense doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: So run defense at all. Um. They have there two
Speaker 1: of their best old linemen coming back, Eric Fisher who's
Speaker 1: been out, and they've been playing Cam Irving at left tackle,
Speaker 1: who was one of the worst left tackles in the league.
Speaker 1: Uh D. Varney Tardif is coming back. Chris Jones is healthy.
Speaker 1: And here's the deal. Mahomes, Tyreek Hill, and Travis Kelsey
Speaker 1: are just too damn good for anyone to stop them.
Speaker 1: So they're probably going to the a f C Championship
Speaker 1: and the Super Bowl. That's now. That's basically right. I
Speaker 1: was gonna take them is I didn't. I wasn't worried
Speaker 1: about that. Jason Garrett's bold, but Chris Wesling is defense
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Yes, I said, they're trying to have people
Speaker 1: run on them. I think there is uh school of thoughts,
Speaker 1: some real stuff. There's a school of thoughts. I know
Speaker 1: people into running and you and obviously there's like a
Speaker 1: breaking point. You don't want it to just destroy your team,
Speaker 1: but you would rather have me thing not so easy
Speaker 1: on Twitter that you just let anyone run on your right.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm saying, I'm saying like you'd rather give
Speaker 1: out five yards per carry than you would, you know,
Speaker 1: seven yards per jackson and mark ingram leaving footprints on
Speaker 1: your back. Either, let's get out of the lab. It's late,
Speaker 1: um and that's okay. So that's interesting. So we have
Speaker 1: here's the lock situation. By the way, here the lock standings,
Speaker 1: Sess and Greg tie the top uh Lock Mountain at
Speaker 1: six and four. It's disgraceful. The old Zeus ser riding
Speaker 1: a five game winning streak, is now five and five.
Speaker 1: The game out West three and seven. Speaking of must
Speaker 1: win games, did you count out you got a full
Speaker 1: game for the drift goll Lock. I thought that was
Speaker 1: just like a half. Well he called it before. I'm
Speaker 1: on a one game winning street game. You're fine, bro.
Speaker 1: By the way, the Reddit board seven and three, Nice job, Reddit,
Speaker 1: Nice job they get they're gonna have to send the
Speaker 1: trophy to just like Reddit headquarters. They're gonna open it
Speaker 1: up in the lobby and be like, we have to
Speaker 1: call the bomb squad. What's happening here? Um? Anyway, so
Speaker 1: Mark and I have the Saints, and Greg and West
Speaker 1: have the Chiefs. All right, we will be back, um
Speaker 1: well tonight of course Thursday night recap uh, and then
Speaker 1: on Sunday we will recap all the games that we
Speaker 1: just previewed. Um. So that's fun. It's just fun. How
Speaker 1: the wheel turns. It's a real joy. It's it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it feels good. It feels good to do this show
Speaker 1: every week. Let's uh, let's enjoy the weekend. Mark, good
Speaker 1: luck tonight, thank you. Let's have a nice weekend, have
Speaker 1: safe weekend, and then come and do it again on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Sounds like good plan. All right, I'll see you game
Speaker 1: debut and I will be what did what were your words? No,
Speaker 1: none of that hands us like signature content, signature credit.
Speaker 1: I was giving you in this otherwise derogatory sequences. That's
Speaker 1: why it was a little confusing and scary. It's always
Speaker 1: I always enjoy getting into Dan's mind and seeing how
Speaker 1: he really sees me. Scary place. Let's go this his
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