Speaker 1: What's emotionally abusing my audience. I'm Robert Evans, the host
Speaker 1: of the show where I emotionally abused my audience. Is
Speaker 1: that a good intro Stephie, it's the honest one. It's
Speaker 1: the honest one. That is what this show is about.
Speaker 1: And I love being technically honest. Like last episode, I
Speaker 1: promised that I was not going to throw any more bagels,
Speaker 1: but then our wonderful sound guy Chris handed me an
Speaker 1: English muffin, which also fits in my sling. So I
Speaker 1: am going to throw in English muffin at some point
Speaker 1: this episode. I'm way less angry about that than I
Speaker 1: was about that MOLDI bagel. Yeah, there's no mold. This
Speaker 1: is a solid English muffin. I'm gonna have to eat
Speaker 1: it after. I'm gonna say, don't you have to eat it?
Speaker 1: You have to eat the entire thing. I will after
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Speaker 1: close enough to him that he's able to get it himself.
Speaker 1: And we glarified this Anderson is a woman. How dare you?
Speaker 1: I am sorry for miss jin during Anderson. But in
Speaker 1: my defen dogs are incapable of caring about gender Anderson,
Speaker 1: it's one of their best traits. She just be with
Speaker 1: her leg up. So dogs are post gender. All dogs
Speaker 1: are both male and female. Like I said, she does
Speaker 1: pee with her life. Her name is Anderson. We could
Speaker 1: learn a lot from dogs, namely about peeing everywhere. Anderson
Speaker 1: doesn't pe everywhere. Classy, broad There's nothing not classy about
Speaker 1: peeing wherever you want. In a lot of ways, that's
Speaker 1: the classiest thing you can do. We are really off
Speaker 1: on a tangent here that is not productive for the show.
Speaker 1: Nothing to do with your topic, nothing to do with
Speaker 1: my topic. I sent this one out because I'm perfect.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. That was a smart play, because if I
Speaker 1: wasn't canceled before, I'm just just barreling towards cancelation. So
Speaker 1: today we're going to talk about Jerry Fallwell Junior and
Speaker 1: Liberty University. Now, this is going to run on a
Speaker 1: different week than our other Fallwell episodes because we're talking
Speaker 1: about a different Fallwell. But we are recording this just
Speaker 1: minutes after the last one. So you have had a
Speaker 1: full Fallwell dose. How are you feeling might you be
Speaker 1: full well, I say we call it a day. That's
Speaker 1: probably Then it happens really quick, very quickly, and yet
Speaker 1: does not change what we're doing at all, which really
Speaker 1: actually does get to the core of what cancel culture
Speaker 1: actually is. People declare you canceled, and then nothing happens. Cool.
Speaker 1: In our previous two episodes on Jerry Fallwell Senior, I
Speaker 1: think I was pretty clear in my opinion that he
Speaker 1: was a piece of ship. His life made the world
Speaker 1: a worse place, and we'd be better off if his
Speaker 1: dad had accidentally shot him when he was pranking one
Speaker 1: of his friends. However, I should acknowledge that there are
Speaker 1: some things about him you have to grudgingly respect. For
Speaker 1: one thing, he built a legitimately impressive and expansive organization
Speaker 1: that grew from a small church of seventy into an empire,
Speaker 1: spoke for millions, and organized an entirely new political block
Speaker 1: that now dominates American politics. That's impressive, even if it's shitty.
Speaker 1: You also have to acknowledge that Jerry Fallwell was a
Speaker 1: true believer. He was deeply consistent throughout his life, and
Speaker 1: everything we know about his personal life suggests that he
Speaker 1: lived in a consistent manner with his terrible values, and
Speaker 1: that's not good. But you might argue it's better than
Speaker 1: pushing all of those same terrible agendas and say, getting
Speaker 1: wasted at night clubs in Miami, which is the story
Speaker 1: we're about. I was going to say, was that foreshadowing?
Speaker 1: It is foreshadowing. That is for shadowing. Jerry Lamon Fallwell
Speaker 1: Junior was born on June seventeenth, nineteen sixty two. So
Speaker 1: he got another cool middle name. He got the Laman. Yeah, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: otherwise he wouldn't be a junior. If you get a
Speaker 1: different middle name, than you're not a junior, right, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think that's junior law. His parents sent
Speaker 1: to private schools in and around Lynchburg so we could
Speaker 1: be raised in a world of God and without black
Speaker 1: people around, rather than the world of Satan. In nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy one, he watched from the vantage point of a
Speaker 1: pew at the Thomas Road Baptist Church while his father
Speaker 1: explained to the congregates his plan to start a Christian
Speaker 1: university in Lynchburg. Jerry Senior explained that the new college
Speaker 1: would produce champions for christ. Jerry Fallwell Jr. Would one
Speaker 1: day become the master of that institution, but first he
Speaker 1: was a student there. After graduating from Lynchburg Christian Academy,
Speaker 1: he attended Liberty University starting in nineteen eighty, the same
Speaker 1: year the Moral Majority began. It's massive pushed for the
Speaker 1: election of Ronald Reagan. From what I can find, Jerry
Speaker 1: Fallwell Jr. Did not have his father and grandfather's appetite
Speaker 1: for mean spirited pranks. So that's a plus. I mean,
Speaker 1: I wonder how many times as a child you have
Speaker 1: to see your dad like wild it out by like
Speaker 1: shooting some people or cats, or yeah, pretending to run
Speaker 1: people over where you're like, you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: decide not to be much of a prankster. Now. He
Speaker 1: never got to see his granddad, so he didn't meet
Speaker 1: he never saw the cat feeder. It's crazy, Like, when
Speaker 1: you're reading a whole book about Jerry Fallwell, you don't
Speaker 1: notice some of these things. But in retrospect, the fact
Speaker 1: that anyone would call murdering someone's cat and feeding it
Speaker 1: to them a prank, frank, that's not a break like
Speaker 1: that is a seriously demented, psychologically unsound. Yeah, that's crime.
Speaker 1: Evidence that somebody is probably chopping up like people in
Speaker 1: their spare time. Yeah, they're They're one one more cataway
Speaker 1: from just people fucking wild now. Uh. Jerry Fallwell Junior
Speaker 1: got his bachelor's degree in religious studies in history after
Speaker 1: acquiring a litter of recommendation from Senator Ted Kennedy. Of
Speaker 1: all people, Jerry Jr. Was accepted to the University of
Speaker 1: Virginia School of Law. Again, I thought that was for
Speaker 1: liberty mercy. I'm like, isn't that his dad's school. Why
Speaker 1: did he even need a recommendation he wanted? That makes sense,
Speaker 1: I guess. And again, as with Ted Kennedy was with
Speaker 1: all these guys, mostly what they care about is that
Speaker 1: they're all rich. So even if they have political disagreements,
Speaker 1: the dude do a solid for their rich friends kids.
Speaker 1: So that's nice. Cool cool. Jerry Junior's brother, Jonathan took
Speaker 1: a different path. From the beginning, he was more drawn
Speaker 1: to religion than his brother. Jonathan became an ordained reverend.
Speaker 1: He took over his father's position leading the Thomas Road
Speaker 1: Baptist Church, While Jerry Jr. Has inherited the bulk of
Speaker 1: his dad's empire and passion for direct political involvement. Jonathan
Speaker 1: has kept strictly to religion. He did not endorse Donald
Speaker 1: Trump alongside his brother in two thousand sixteen. That's a
Speaker 1: small mercy. That's a small mercy. Prior to his death
Speaker 1: in two thousand seven, Jerry Fallwell Senior had laid out
Speaker 1: his plans for the inheritance of his empire of faith.
Speaker 1: I'm going to quote now from a massive article on
Speaker 1: the Fallwells in Politico by Brandon Ambrosino, himself Liberty University grad.
Speaker 1: His two sons, Jerry Junior and Jonathan, had each inherited
Speaker 1: different aspects of their father's persona. For Jerry Junior, at
Speaker 1: the elder of the two by four years, it was
Speaker 1: the stomach for partisan politics, ability to throw an elbow,
Speaker 1: and savvy to court influential friends. For Jonathan, it was
Speaker 1: the calling to ministry his easy way with people in
Speaker 1: charisma as a public speaker. Jerry Junior would preside over
Speaker 1: Liberty University and Jonathan would lead Thomas Road Baptist Church.
Speaker 1: So that's cool, And from a financial perspective, this seems
Speaker 1: to have been a great call. When Folwell Junior took
Speaker 1: over the college, it had assets of roughly two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty nine million dollars. Ten years later, it hells
Speaker 1: assets worth more than two point five billion dollars, and
Speaker 1: it's now worth more than three billion dollars. So that's cool. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta give it to him. He's better
Speaker 1: at business than Donald Trump was. Yeah, but it's like,
Speaker 1: isn't such a huge part of being a good Christian
Speaker 1: as like giving to the poor. How are you going
Speaker 1: to get all the way to three billion? Well, there's
Speaker 1: really different attitudes on that within the faith. So there's
Speaker 1: the people who are in the rich community, the community
Speaker 1: of rich Christians, where it's like, no, the more money
Speaker 1: you accumulate, that's God's blessings that you're accumulating. And so
Speaker 1: Jerry Fallwell is that's how blessings work. You just pile
Speaker 1: them all up. At least that's consistent with their attitudes
Speaker 1: towards aids. Yea, what a wonderful belief system. So cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So uh, now I bet you're wondering what did what
Speaker 1: did what did what did Jerry Fallwall Jr. Do To
Speaker 1: increase the value of his university by so much in
Speaker 1: such a short period of time. I was thinking that
Speaker 1: you wondering if there was anything gross in shade either. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was wondering that much of Liberty University's growth has
Speaker 1: been due to growth in online students. Under Fallwell Junior's reign,
Speaker 1: there are now nine kids across the country taking Liberty
Speaker 1: University courses from their homes. So that's good. Mm hmmm
Speaker 1: mm hmm. Now, I mean, if I know one thing,
Speaker 1: it's that online universities are never scamming, are never literally
Speaker 1: just scams. It's true. Yeah, and we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: that in a second. But before we talk about that,
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about Fulwell Junior's wife, Becky.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I literally met married to Becky with
Speaker 1: an eye. Yeah, there's a little hard over that I
Speaker 1: I can feel it, and I can I will. I
Speaker 1: know in my bones that she has had a lot
Speaker 1: of issues with a lot of waiters and waitresses, talk
Speaker 1: to a lot of managers in her day. Yeah. Now, uh,
Speaker 1: part of why I know this is what I'm about
Speaker 1: to read next. His wife, Becky is considered by many
Speaker 1: close to the family to have taken on a major
Speaker 1: role in managing the university since Jerry Senior's death. One
Speaker 1: former school official told Ambrosino writing for Politico. Until Big
Speaker 1: Jerry that's what they called him, died, you wouldn't have known,
Speaker 1: Becky if she walked up and slapped you. Big Jerry
Speaker 1: dies and all of a sudden, if you're walking down
Speaker 1: the hall and you didn't greet her, write you're fired.
Speaker 1: This official shared to two thousand and twelve email from
Speaker 1: Becky to four school executives. In the email, she complains
Speaker 1: about a school employee who complained on Facebook that the
Speaker 1: university didn't have enough parking spaces. Someone needs to talk
Speaker 1: to this girl, Becky wrote, I don't think that we
Speaker 1: allow employees to post negative remarks about liberty. Wow, real
Speaker 1: Nazi kind of flair. Yeah, and apparently the employee uh
Speaker 1: ended their employment there not long after she spoke to
Speaker 1: the manager and she got them fired. Yeah. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: Becky's complaints sparked almost immediate call to the employee at
Speaker 1: the employee's home at nine pm because she complained about
Speaker 1: not enough parking. Now, wow, what a bit. That's going
Speaker 1: to be fairly minor compared to what else we're talking
Speaker 1: about today. But it's just so petty that I felt
Speaker 1: compelled to point it out now In another article published
Speaker 1: by a former student in the News Advance, talked about
Speaker 1: sort of how the culture on Liberty University's campus has
Speaker 1: changed since Jerry Fallwell Senior's death. Its title Inside Liberty
Speaker 1: University's Culture of Fear. It's a good title. The author,
Speaker 1: Will Young, was formerly the editor in chief of Liberty
Speaker 1: University school newspaper The Champion. He claims he instantly got
Speaker 1: in trouble during his first week there. His crime was
Speaker 1: noticing that his school's police department didn't publish a daily
Speaker 1: crime log online. He called the Virginia Association of Campus
Speaker 1: Law Enforcement Administrators to ask if this was against the law.
Speaker 1: The university police department found out and complained to his boss,
Speaker 1: who yelled at him. He writes, this wasn't exactly a
Speaker 1: route awakening. I'd spent the previous three years watching the
Speaker 1: university administration, led by President Jerry Folwell Junior, medal in
Speaker 1: our coverage, revised controversial op eds and protect its image
Speaker 1: by stripping damning facts from our stories. Still I stuck around.
Speaker 1: I thought that if I wrote with discretion and kept
Speaker 1: my head down, I could one day win enough trust
Speaker 1: from the university to protect the integrity of our journalism.
Speaker 1: I even dreamed we could eventually persuade the administration to
Speaker 1: let the champion go independent from its supervision. I was naive. Instead,
Speaker 1: when my team took over that fall in two thousand seventeen,
Speaker 1: we encountered an oversight system that required us to send
Speaker 1: every story to Folwell's assistant for review. Any administrator or
Speaker 1: professor who appeared in an article had editing au thor
Speaker 1: over any part of that article, they added and deleted
Speaker 1: whatever they wanted. Folwell called our newsroom on multiple occasions
Speaker 1: to direct our coverage personally, as he had a year earlier,
Speaker 1: when weeks before the two sixteen election, he read a
Speaker 1: draft of my column defending mainstream news outlets and ordered
Speaker 1: me to say whom I plan to vote for. I
Speaker 1: refused on ethical grounds, so Folwell told me to insert
Speaker 1: the author refused to reveal which candidate he is supporting
Speaker 1: for president at the bottom of my column. That's so stupid.
Speaker 1: That's that's cool, right, Yeah, you love the intellectual honesty
Speaker 1: and the freedom of speech. I mean it really has
Speaker 1: fucking Nazi propagandic qualities. Yeah, I mean, it's it is
Speaker 1: consistent with the family line of hating freedom of speech
Speaker 1: and not being able to stand anybody saying anything bad
Speaker 1: about you. I guess that is passed down in the
Speaker 1: genes um, and pranks apparently aren't. So we've learned a
Speaker 1: lot about genetics today. Will eventually quit the school paper
Speaker 1: and the School of Communication and not replace him with
Speaker 1: a new editor in chief. Instead, they changed the Champion
Speaker 1: to a faculty run paper, taking control for content direction
Speaker 1: and early away from the students. Future journalists at Liberty
Speaker 1: University were forced to sign an in d a forbidding
Speaker 1: them from talking about editorial or managerial direction, oversight decisions,
Speaker 1: or information designed as privileged or confidential. The NDA also
Speaker 1: makes student journalists acknowledge that they are privileged to get thoughts, opinions,
Speaker 1: and other statements from university administration. We're so lucky that
Speaker 1: they'll talk to us. That's cool. So obviously Will is
Speaker 1: a student with an extra grind, But his experiences gel
Speaker 1: very clearly with the reporting of numerous other journalists, as
Speaker 1: well as complaints of students and alumni. He and others
Speaker 1: paint a picture of Liberty University is a sort of
Speaker 1: evangelical dictatorship of higher learning, which is super neat a
Speaker 1: dictatorship of higher learning. Yeah, yeah, sounds dreamy. Yeah, where
Speaker 1: the entire university is just an extension of Jerry Fallwell
Speaker 1: Junior's personality and pocketbook. Um, that sounds like a good
Speaker 1: thing for a school to be. Sounds like a good education.
Speaker 1: I'm glad they don't have to pay taxes. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: would be crazy. Yeah, if they had to pay taxes. Well,
Speaker 1: because they're in a political religious that demands their writers published.
Speaker 1: Who they've only flattering things now. A lot of the
Speaker 1: uh changes in the culture of Liberty University, I believe
Speaker 1: to have something to do with what has made the
Speaker 1: school so enormously profitable since Jerry Jr. Took over the
Speaker 1: massive growth of their online education program. By two thou fifteen,
Speaker 1: Liberty University was the second largest provider of online education
Speaker 1: in the United States, second only to the University of Phoenix.
Speaker 1: Was going to guess Phoenix was leading, Yeah, it's number one.
Speaker 1: Number two is Liberty. You the school can largely thank
Speaker 1: the federal government for the money that it's gotten on
Speaker 1: As a result of this, By two thousand seventeen, Liberty
Speaker 1: students received more than seven hundred and seventy two million
Speaker 1: dollars per year from the Department of Education, it ranked
Speaker 1: sixth and federal aid nationwide. The vast majority of Liberty
Speaker 1: University's wealth comes from taxpayer dollars. Yea, And they don't
Speaker 1: have to pay taxes. That's good. You guys feel good
Speaker 1: about your where your taxes are going. I feel great
Speaker 1: about it. They need a billion dollars a year. It's
Speaker 1: not upsetting at all. Flint, Michigan doesn't need clean water,
Speaker 1: but Liberty University needs seven and seventy two million dollars
Speaker 1: to discriminate against students, yeah, a variety of types. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's cool, super cool and consistent. Some people find
Speaker 1: it uncomfortable or down at bad that a school which
Speaker 1: bands its students from supporting homosexuality, swearing, and even drinking
Speaker 1: off campus receives federal money. But as we all know,
Speaker 1: Evangelical Christians in America don't have to obey the same
Speaker 1: rules as the rest of us. And that's fine. It's fine.
Speaker 1: Everybody's happy with us. That's what Jesus was for. That's
Speaker 1: what Jesus was for. Massive inequality. He was a big
Speaker 1: fan of inequality. I mean, I would say that was
Speaker 1: his platform. Trickle down economics he was a big fan
Speaker 1: of right. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah. I remember when
Speaker 1: us was like, oh, I'll turn one fish. Well, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm just gonna take this one. It's gonna
Speaker 1: eventually trickle down to the really hungry. I'm gonna throw
Speaker 1: some bones at y'all. Someone of you is going to
Speaker 1: get an eye a fish I and you will be
Speaker 1: fucking happy with it, and you will be my second
Speaker 1: in command. Jesus so. Online courses have become the primary
Speaker 1: money generating engine behind Liberty University. They have more than
Speaker 1: three phone recruiters working from eight am to eight pm,
Speaker 1: calling students from lists they get from sites like Best
Speaker 1: Colleges Online. In an article breaking this down, the New
Speaker 1: York Times noted there is such a race to get
Speaker 1: to customers before the University of Phoenix and other rivals
Speaker 1: at the prospective students sometimes marvel at how little time
Speaker 1: has elapsed, just a handful of minutes between they're providing
Speaker 1: their information on a website and the call coming from Liberty.
Speaker 1: Liberties tax filing show that in two thousand and sixteen,
Speaker 1: the university paid Google sixteen point eight million for admissions
Speaker 1: leads generation, in other words, advertising Liberty to those searching
Speaker 1: online for degree options. There are cruiders work under intense pressure.
Speaker 1: According to several former l u O employees I spoke with,
Speaker 1: they get no more than forty five seconds between calls,
Speaker 1: and sometimes managers overriet even that short break. There are
Speaker 1: no formal quotas, a federal regulation that went into effect
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eleven forbids them. But as one
Speaker 1: former employee put it, the highly motivated goal is for
Speaker 1: each recruiter to sign up eight new students a day
Speaker 1: multiply to class three hundred cubicles. That is twenty per day, um,
Speaker 1: forty seconds between calls. I mean, honestly, that's down right leisurely.
Speaker 1: That's even complaining about exactly. So it sounds like it's
Speaker 1: just like a big MLM kind of situation. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a kitten to that, certainly. I mean it's a yeah,
Speaker 1: it's um not an m l M. But what do
Speaker 1: they call it when it's just like a farm? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a diploma mill. Yeah. Yeah, it's a diploma mill
Speaker 1: masquerading as a religious institution so it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: pay taxes on the hundreds of millions of dollars it
Speaker 1: gets from taxpayers. But the particularly aggressive sales call thing
Speaker 1: that's like its own thing, right. Yeah, yeah, it's like telemarketing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like crazy that it's so high pressure. Yeah. Well
Speaker 1: they're fucking Glen Gary Glenn rossing these people. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: to get them into debt, so that like to get
Speaker 1: them into taxpayers subsidized debt to the school for a degree,
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Speaker 1: threatening lee waving on English. My fin it's attached to
Speaker 1: a sling though I'm excited. So if he's excited, crowd
Speaker 1: too excited and proud on the episode. Of course, you
Speaker 1: don't sign up new students at that kind of rate
Speaker 1: without fudging or obscuring a few facts. And this is
Speaker 1: which you were getting that a little bit Sophia. Two
Speaker 1: recruiters told The Times that they were ordered to quote
Speaker 1: the university's cost on a per credit basis instead of
Speaker 1: per course. Instructors are also urged to not push students
Speaker 1: on how good their grades were in high school. Any
Speaker 1: g p A open point five is enough to qualify
Speaker 1: you for Liberty University. Point five Do you even have
Speaker 1: to be conscious to get that? No? Point point five
Speaker 1: is like if you guess on literally everything, including the essay,
Speaker 1: you'll you'll get a point five. Yes. The good news
Speaker 1: for those d students is that Liberties online courses are
Speaker 1: not exactly famous for their rigor. From the New York Times,
Speaker 1: people know it's kind of a joke and don't learn
Speaker 1: that much from it. Dustin Wall, a senior from South Dakota,
Speaker 1: told me use Google when you take your quiz and
Speaker 1: you don't have to work as hard. It's pretty obvious.
Speaker 1: Liberty says. Using Google during quizzes or exams is cheating. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Times reporting suggest that recruiters even started obscuring the
Speaker 1: school's Christian orientation in order to second more sweet tax dollars,
Speaker 1: I mean students. Quote. Two recruiters also said they were
Speaker 1: told not to mention liberties Christian orientation until people agree
Speaker 1: to apply. When this fact is made clear in the
Speaker 1: user agreement they sign online. It also becomes clear at
Speaker 1: the moment that the recruiters sign up students for their
Speaker 1: first classes, typically an orientation class and three required Bible
Speaker 1: studies classes. Students often can't transfer credits for these courses
Speaker 1: to other colleges, which a tears many from dropping out. So,
Speaker 1: if you're keeping track, the school, which is funded primarily
Speaker 1: by taxpayer dollars, trick students into signing up without knowing
Speaker 1: that they're joining a Christian university, and then if they
Speaker 1: try to leave a devalue, it doesn't transfer anywhere so
Speaker 1: that they can't really go. And then there's mandatory Bible
Speaker 1: classes that are paid for again with taxpayer dollars. This
Speaker 1: is cool. Fuck Now, this all obviously has not made
Speaker 1: uh miss Trump University. You know there was a university.
Speaker 1: Uh you knew what you were getting with Trump University
Speaker 1: a picture with the cardboard cut out of Donald Trump
Speaker 1: and nothing else. I missed them. I missed them too.
Speaker 1: Now Liberty University's teachers are not all happy with the
Speaker 1: state of affairs that has changed because it used to
Speaker 1: be a somewhat actual say there's teachers, because it really
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it. That seems to be the administration's
Speaker 1: attitude to there's teachers. We thought this scam just ran
Speaker 1: itself after we suckered you into getting in. That is, yeah,
Speaker 1: well we'll be getting a quote from Jerry Faulwell Jr.
Speaker 1: That's basically that. Uh see. Most teachers like to know
Speaker 1: that they work for a well respected university rather than
Speaker 1: a profit mill with very little to know educational benefit.
Speaker 1: But Liberty University is ranked in the lowest one quarter
Speaker 1: of national universities by US News and World Report. It
Speaker 1: lacks behind Brigham Young University, a religious college that at
Speaker 1: least delivers in education. Low quality online courses might be
Speaker 1: one reason for this. Another is probably the university's outright
Speaker 1: hatred of its teachers. Only the law school at Liberty
Speaker 1: University even offers a tenure track. This allows Jerry Fallwell,
Speaker 1: Junior to enact an extreme degree of control over his
Speaker 1: faculty because he can fire absolutely anyone. However, this also
Speaker 1: makes it difficult to draw incompetent teachers. Chris Gaumer, a
Speaker 1: former English professor, provides additional explanation for this treatment. When
Speaker 1: I was there at faculty meetings, the commentary was that
Speaker 1: online was funding the school. While they were trying to
Speaker 1: just break even on the residential side, it was understood
Speaker 1: that on the online side they were making a killing. Boy, cool,
Speaker 1: sounds like a real school to me. In his interview
Speaker 1: with The New York Times, Folwell Junior admitted that the
Speaker 1: faculty had complained initially about the growing importance of online classes.
Speaker 1: He told them the big victory was finding a way
Speaker 1: to tame the faculty. We really started making money when
Speaker 1: we fucking faculty. Yeah, what are they fucking tigers? What
Speaker 1: is going on? Yeah? Yeah, you got to tame the faculty,
Speaker 1: otherwise they're going to complain about the fact that you
Speaker 1: aren't delivering an education to your students. Those pesky faculty.
Speaker 1: Jerry Folwell Junior's decision to an ors Donald Trump in
Speaker 1: the two thousand sixteen election was deeply controversial, both for
Speaker 1: the students and the teachers. According to Will's rite up,
Speaker 1: the school's methods became even more aggressive after Fallwell endorsed
Speaker 1: Donald Trump early that year. According to multiple current and
Speaker 1: formal faculty members, the closer you get to the president's office,
Speaker 1: says a former history professor, Brian Melton, discussing a chilling
Speaker 1: effect at the school. The worst it becomes. Fallwell staff
Speaker 1: now operates masterfully to squash challenges to his views and
Speaker 1: his rise in national political influence. So that's good. That's
Speaker 1: scary as all. Yeah. This March, Fallwell Jr. Attended the
Speaker 1: signing of an executive order by President Trump on college
Speaker 1: free speech. Big advocate of college free speech. The irony
Speaker 1: is truly too much. Yeah. The guy who brought the
Speaker 1: school's paper under his direct personal control is invited by
Speaker 1: President Trump to uh watch the signing of a bill
Speaker 1: that I'm sure will protect free speech. Yeah. In a
Speaker 1: PBS news our appearance, after he claimed that his college
Speaker 1: was inclusive of all ideas, unlike all those evil liberal universities.
Speaker 1: As evidence for this, he pointed out that Liberty University
Speaker 1: invited President Carter to deliver its two thousand eighteen commencement
Speaker 1: address and had Bernie Sanders speaking two thousand fifteen and
Speaker 1: a mandatory assembly. These things did happen, but Fallwell neglected
Speaker 1: to mention some other things, like the fact that in
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, withdrew funding and recognition for the College
Speaker 1: Democrats Club. Mark Kind, the s VP of student Affairs,
Speaker 1: said this was because the Democratic Party defends abortion and
Speaker 1: supports the LGBT agenda. Wow, so that's good after the
Speaker 1: bloody two thously reminiscent of his dad. Yeah, the the
Speaker 1: apple did not fall far from the tree. That is
Speaker 1: also a poop and not apples, And the apples are
Speaker 1: also pooped. Yes, the apples were also poop. After the
Speaker 1: deadly two thousand seventeen Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville,
Speaker 1: you know this is going to go good. Like that,
Speaker 1: the Liberties Student Government Association attempted to issue a statement
Speaker 1: of solidarity with Heather Higher, the murdered anti fascist activist.
Speaker 1: In response to this, the s g AS president refused
Speaker 1: to release the statement because it would have meant ending
Speaker 1: it to Jerry Fallwell Junior one, and they really didn't
Speaker 1: think he was going to be on board with sympathizing
Speaker 1: with a woman murdered by a Nazi. Oh god, Well,
Speaker 1: they're probably not wrong about that. That's why I said,
Speaker 1: oh god. When Fallwell Senior died. The idea was that
Speaker 1: Jonathan Fallwell would act as the moral compass for Liberty
Speaker 1: University while his brother handled the finances. And Jonathan is
Speaker 1: still the school's Vice chancellor for spiritual affairs. But the
Speaker 1: evidence suggests that he has been largely sidelined at the university.
Speaker 1: One Liberty official told Brandon Ambrosino, writing for Politico, quote,
Speaker 1: Jerry never removed Jonathan. He just kind of pushed him aside.
Speaker 1: He bought all of the Thomas Road Baptist Church properties, Liberty,
Speaker 1: Christian Acnomy, Jonathan's building at the airport, and a couple
Speaker 1: of others. Jonathan complained, but never stood up to Jerry
Speaker 1: because he knew Jerry controlled the purse strings. It seems
Speaker 1: like a healthy family. Jonathan seems sad as hell. I
Speaker 1: think Jonathan is kind of sad as hell. Yeah, I'd
Speaker 1: like to know what he does every day, cry right, yeah, yeah, yeah, family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems like a bummer of a family and fallwell.
Speaker 1: Junior has done some strange things with his control of
Speaker 1: those purse strings. Thinks his father would not have approved of.
Speaker 1: One of these things was the four point seven million
Speaker 1: dollar purchase of a South Beach hostel in Miami, Florida.
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound um, I don't know, Christian and decent, no,
Speaker 1: but it actually sounds like a pretty sweet hostele, very
Speaker 1: gay friendly, uh. Situated directly above a liquor store with
Speaker 1: a bar where you could bring your own alcohol. And
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. How could they have possibly allowed this? Well,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's a fun little story. Um. It listed
Speaker 1: its rules as no soliciting, fundraising, politics, salesman or religion
Speaker 1: was written inside the hostel That's Fun, owned by Jerry
Speaker 1: Fallwell Jr. It was built as a great place for
Speaker 1: people around the world to come and get wasted in
Speaker 1: pre party before hitting the Miami Strip. So this is
Speaker 1: this is so confusing. Yeah, the Fallwells bought the hostel
Speaker 1: but mysteriously gave me twenty five steak in its profits
Speaker 1: to one John Carl low Granda. Now Mr Granda is
Speaker 1: most often described as a pool boy and reporting on
Speaker 1: this that you'll find he is a handsome, muscular young
Speaker 1: man in his mid twenties. The nature of his relationship
Speaker 1: to the Fallwells is unclear, but he seems to have
Speaker 1: accompanied them on numerous trips. Some evidence suggests that he
Speaker 1: was present with the follow us during the taking of
Speaker 1: some racy photos of Jerry Folwell Jr's wife, Becky. So
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Yeah, what's the suggestion here. The suggestion is
Speaker 1: that Jerry Folwell Jr. His wife, Becky and this pool
Speaker 1: boy had a ongoing threesome thing happening, and then they
Speaker 1: bought this guy a hostile and gave him a twenty
Speaker 1: five percent stake in the profits and let him manage
Speaker 1: it a gay friendly hostile. I was hoping that's what
Speaker 1: you would That's kind of seems like what's happening. That
Speaker 1: is delicious now, But hot pool boy is how he's described.
Speaker 1: He's usually just described as a pool boy. But you
Speaker 1: said he was hot. He's definitely hot. Oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: you look at him up. He's he's scrumptious. I definitely
Speaker 1: pictured the guy from Legally Blonde to what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like the guys she's into. That's stupid looking.
Speaker 1: Look him up, John Carlo Granda. He's a good looking
Speaker 1: guy doing it. Yeah, that's so freaky. I love it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's pretty fun. I didn't think Becky had
Speaker 1: an inner. A lot of people know what Becky had
Speaker 1: in her because these pictures have gone pretty racy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty racy. Now the fallwells deny that there are any
Speaker 1: racy photos. Well, that's not quite what he says. Uh
Speaker 1: In an interview with the Todd Sterns Radio show, Jerry
Speaker 1: Fallwill Jr. Said there are no compromising or embarrassing photos
Speaker 1: of me. Mm hmm yeah. But Becky, But Becky. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Three photographs of Becky have been seen by the Miami Harold.
Speaker 1: They are images of her in various states of undressed,
Speaker 1: and it is not known who took the photos or
Speaker 1: when they were taken. And the Herald has not given
Speaker 1: the photographs and therefore has not been able to authenticate them,
Speaker 1: uh independently. But too of the photos appeared to have
Speaker 1: been taken at the Follwells farm in Virginia, and a
Speaker 1: third at the Chica Lodge, where they were known to
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time with Giancarlo Granda. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah in the freak all. Now when these photos
Speaker 1: leaked out, I mean, who do you get to help
Speaker 1: you if you need to, like recover some racy photos
Speaker 1: of your wife? Larry Flint No, Michael Cohen, Oh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was a longtime friend of the Folwell family and
Speaker 1: they hired him to clean up the evidence of these uh,
Speaker 1: these sexy photo sessions. Amazing yeah yeah yeah. From Politico.
Speaker 1: Longtime listener, first time caller, would love to clean this
Speaker 1: up for you. No, he'd known them a while. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Longtime Liberty officials close to Fallwell told me that the
Speaker 1: university president has shown or texted his male confidence, including
Speaker 1: at least one employee he worked for him at Liberty,
Speaker 1: photos of his wife in provocative and sexual poses. At Liberty,
Speaker 1: Fallwell is very, very vocal about his sex life, in
Speaker 1: the words of one Liberty official, a characterization multiple current
Speaker 1: and former university officials and employees interviewed for this story
Speaker 1: support in a car write about a decade ago with
Speaker 1: the senior university official who has since left Liberty. All
Speaker 1: he wanted to talk about is how he would nail
Speaker 1: his wife, how she couldn't handle his penis size, and
Speaker 1: stuff of that sort. His former official recall, Fulwell did
Speaker 1: not respond to questions about this incident more than simply
Speaker 1: talking about it with employees about his wife in a
Speaker 1: sexual manner. On at least one more occasion, Fallwell shared
Speaker 1: a photo of his wife wearing what appeared to be
Speaker 1: a fringe made costume. According to a long time Liberty
Speaker 1: employee with firsthand knowledge of the image and the fallow
Speaker 1: up that followed, this is amazing. This sounds like a
Speaker 1: healthy working environment, right. I think it's the kind of
Speaker 1: working environment that what Joaquin Phoenix provided, right, super safe.
Speaker 1: You get a bit picture of Giancarlo grand To pulled up.
Speaker 1: I mean I looked at it. They don't wear are
Speaker 1: the pictures of of him and Becky? Where do I
Speaker 1: find that? I mean, Michael Cohen cleaned him up. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna say I can't find them. I just want to.
Speaker 1: I just want to look at that handsome pool boy.
Speaker 1: I mean, laze there is okay, yeah, not bad. It
Speaker 1: looks better in that picture were was wearing the purple shirt.
Speaker 1: It seems like a fun Miami party now leaning a pool.
Speaker 1: Oh my god him great photo shop. So that French
Speaker 1: made picture that Jerry Folwell Jr. Accidentally Sent to an
Speaker 1: employee had been intended to be sent to Ben cross White,
Speaker 1: Becky's personal trainer, as a thank you for helping her
Speaker 1: get in the better shape. Another possible thank you to
Speaker 1: Ben cross White was the sale of a sizeable fitness
Speaker 1: center on the Liberty University campus to Ben for wildly
Speaker 1: less than its market value. Liberty University insists that there
Speaker 1: was nothing untowards her sketchy about this arrangement. So that's cool. Also,
Speaker 1: I love that he bragged about having a big dick,
Speaker 1: which is exactly how you know he does not have
Speaker 1: a big dick. Yeah, handle it. My wife can't take
Speaker 1: my huge dick. It's like, that's okay. Will you sign
Speaker 1: these payroll force? Yeah? They're like, can my son have
Speaker 1: a scholarship? Once I finished telling you about how my
Speaker 1: wife cannot take this monster hog, I'm hold on, hold
Speaker 1: on my rail, my railing. My wife's story is not over.
Speaker 1: Where are you going? Don't you want to hear about
Speaker 1: me fucking my wife? Who's also your boss? Becky, get
Speaker 1: in here and hope you tell the story about nailing you.
Speaker 1: So I'm fucking my wife, and I mean fucking my wife.
Speaker 1: When the pool boy comes in and we buy him
Speaker 1: a hostile on the Miami Strip, the only person that
Speaker 1: could take my penis that's not my wife is Jean
Speaker 1: show Carla at the pool. Have you met gen Carlo Geancarla?
Speaker 1: Get over here. That's my impression of of Jerry Fowl Jr.
Speaker 1: At work, Jerry follow Jr. During like a business like
Speaker 1: a media staff meeting. Yeah, so we got to talk
Speaker 1: about how our students are doing on the the how
Speaker 1: our bar exam acceptance rate is going. But first let's
Speaker 1: talk about my dick. Also, H bet you he would
Speaker 1: bring in slides and you know, I don't know how
Speaker 1: this got in here. You had a slide made of
Speaker 1: your wife and a French meat outfit. I don't know
Speaker 1: this got in here. This is crazy. Who's that muscular
Speaker 1: guy in the pictures? That the same guy who owns
Speaker 1: that hostel that our school bought. You know what's better
Speaker 1: than a hostile secretly owned by a Christian extremist cult products.
Speaker 1: We're back. We're back, and I think I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: and throw this English muffin now before before we get
Speaker 1: back into Jerry fall. All right, now, this muffin is
Speaker 1: a little bit smaller than the bagel holders, so I
Speaker 1: don't know it's gonna work. Yeah, I mean that was
Speaker 1: honestly just you flinging it with your hands is basically
Speaker 1: just be flinging it with like But I appreciated it,
Speaker 1: thank you. I did not. I mostly appreciated that it
Speaker 1: didn't hit me or Sophie or Anderson is not in here.
Speaker 1: She is, She's that bit shocking me. She's either here
Speaker 1: or not here. And I never know which she never
Speaker 1: reacts to throwing things. Sometimes I don't know she's here
Speaker 1: in here. So it's like shro Schrodinger's Anderson, don't you.
Speaker 1: We don't want to be talking about Shreddinger's cats around
Speaker 1: the fall Walls because the skin and fig that catch
Speaker 1: don't not be cool. If you like through the English
Speaker 1: muffin and then it just hit you in the face,
Speaker 1: that would be hilarious. Oh it's what I was hoping
Speaker 1: and not that good at using my time. Next time
Speaker 1: fingers crossed, I'm gonna practice. So yeah. The Fallwells family's
Speaker 1: current sketchiness is kind implicated as it is infuriating, and
Speaker 1: the recent rash reporting on the family seems to reveal
Speaker 1: compelling proof that, whatever their public commitment to evangelical politics,
Speaker 1: the family has left their godly roots well behind. On
Speaker 1: July nineteen fourteen, Swedish DJ John Dahlback performed at a
Speaker 1: Miami Beach nightclub named Wall, which is interesting because you
Speaker 1: remember the Wall gang from earlier. Now. Photographs taken that
Speaker 1: night show fallwell junior sons Cherry and Tray, both in
Speaker 1: attendance with their wives Fucking Tray. Tray pictured drinking. Now,
Speaker 1: considering that their father runs and they work for a
Speaker 1: school that bands both co ed dancing and alcohol, those
Speaker 1: pictures were considered deeply embarrassing the Fallwell clan. Liberty staffords
Speaker 1: told the author of that political article that Fallwell Jr.
Speaker 1: Went to John Gauger, the head of I T, to
Speaker 1: deal with the problem. Quote. Longtime Liberty officials described Gauja
Speaker 1: as a sort of fixer for Fallwell, a man promoted
Speaker 1: because he would do what Fallwell asked him without complaint.
Speaker 1: But Gauja is more than just a university employee since
Speaker 1: two thousand sub Since two thousand nine, Gaja is also
Speaker 1: run Redfinch Llc, an online business he founded that specializes
Speaker 1: in search engine marketing and does lucrative contract work for Liberty.
Speaker 1: Tax records show Liberty paid Red Pinch a hundred and
Speaker 1: three thousand, nine and fifty dollars during two sixteen for
Speaker 1: what sources described as a search engine recruitment for online
Speaker 1: students to the university. Redfinches online work for the school
Speaker 1: goes beyond typical s CEO marketing, and an email from
Speaker 1: August two thirteen obtained for this article, Fallwell asked Gauja
Speaker 1: to defend him. In the comments section of a local
Speaker 1: news article that Folwell felt reflected to negatively on him.
Speaker 1: Fallwell emailed Gaja the exact wording to post, I'm having
Speaker 1: my Redfinch guys blow this right up right away. Gaja responded,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you how it goes. Now. That's all silly, right,
Speaker 1: But here's where it gets really fucking infuriating, because if
Speaker 1: you've heard of Redfinch at all outside of the context
Speaker 1: of Liberty University, it's because Redfinch LLC is the company
Speaker 1: that Michael Cohen hired to rig online polls in Donald
Speaker 1: Trump's favor in two thousand, fifteen and sixteen. Gaja wrote
Speaker 1: a computer script to vote constantly for Trump in exchange
Speaker 1: for fifty dollars cheap. It wasn't a big job. But
Speaker 1: this means here's what's infuriating to me. Not this Not
Speaker 1: that he could ask for more money for a job
Speaker 1: like that. No, no, No, as a freeliancer, I'm in fury.
Speaker 1: You just want a collective bargain to get him more money. No,
Speaker 1: it's that the fifty dollars he got came from Follwell money.
Speaker 1: Follwell money comes from federal taxpayer money, So the taxpayers
Speaker 1: paid for John Gazer to influence polls in Donald Trump's
Speaker 1: favor uh into fifteen and sixteen. Yeah, that that's that's
Speaker 1: really frustrating and multiple reports from multiple outlets, Fallwell's management
Speaker 1: of Liberty University has been described as dictatorial and fundamentally abusive.
Speaker 1: One senior university official told journalist from Politico, We're not
Speaker 1: a school. We're a real estate hedge fund. We're not educating.
Speaker 1: We're buying real estate every year and taking students money
Speaker 1: to do it. Another stated it's a dictatorship. Nobody craps
Speaker 1: at the university without Jerry's approval. In July of two
Speaker 1: thousand twelve, Fallwall told university executives that his son Trey,
Speaker 1: would be starting a new company to manage properties at
Speaker 1: the school, including the shopping center. This might represent what's
Speaker 1: known as a breach of duty of loyalty to the nonprofit,
Speaker 1: as it could be seen as Folwell Junior enriching his
Speaker 1: son at the expense of giving the school's property a
Speaker 1: qualified manager. But it's fine. It's just fine for this
Speaker 1: to happen, which is cool. Folwell Junior has also put
Speaker 1: his support for President Donald Trump above the health of
Speaker 1: his students and his ethical responsibilities as the manager of
Speaker 1: a nonprofit religious institution. In two thousand and seventeen, he
Speaker 1: invited the President to deliver the school's commencement address. Now
Speaker 1: this is fine and happens regularly with a number of schools,
Speaker 1: but Jerry Fallwell Jr. Also had Liberty University starts selling
Speaker 1: a line of Trump branded shirts hats commemorating the event.
Speaker 1: Becky Folwell wrote an email threat, I want to make
Speaker 1: sure that we have a lot of options available to purchase.
Speaker 1: It's great advertising for Liberty to be on products with
Speaker 1: Trump's name. She added in a later message, I spoke
Speaker 1: to Michael Cohen and he said to make sure any
Speaker 1: shirts we buy are made in America. He loved the designs.
Speaker 1: The school ended up printing shirts that looked almost exactly
Speaker 1: like official Trump campaign merchandise, including the words making America
Speaker 1: great again, one degree at a time. Yeah, it's possible
Speaker 1: these shirts are a violation of the school's five oh
Speaker 1: one C three status since they might be seen as
Speaker 1: political advertising. But there's no inclination that Fallwell Junior gives
Speaker 1: a shit about this or that anything will be done
Speaker 1: about it. Who's going to prosecute him, Who's going to
Speaker 1: prosecute him? Nobody cares when these guys break the rules. Nope.
Speaker 1: From Politico, Fallwell has become known as a Trump loyalist
Speaker 1: who is willing to put his in his school's reputation
Speaker 1: on the line to defend the president from any critic
Speaker 1: and Trump. Fallwell said in two thousand seventeen, evangelicals have
Speaker 1: found their dream president. When asked by The Washington Post
Speaker 1: late intils An eighteen if there were anything President Trump
Speaker 1: could do that would endanger the support from you or
Speaker 1: other evangelical leaders, Fautwell said no. And in May two
Speaker 1: that's a nineteen tweet about their Muller investigation, fault Well
Speaker 1: appropriated the language of reparations for descendants of slaves to
Speaker 1: argue that Trump's terms should be lengthened. I now support reparations.
Speaker 1: Trump should have two years added to his first term.
Speaker 1: Is pain back for the time stolen by this corrupt,
Speaker 1: failed coup? Yeah? I just think it's neat that both
Speaker 1: uh Jerry Folwell and Jerry Folwell Jr. Have appropriated the
Speaker 1: language of in Folwell's case, abolitionists, and in Jerry Jr's case,
Speaker 1: the reparations movement to support their own political bullshit. That's neat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and also um, kind of a hilarious, uh defeat of
Speaker 1: their own ideology. Yeah, you know, yeah, to like be
Speaker 1: borrowing by borrowing and being very kind, it's like with
Speaker 1: quotation marks, I mean stealing. By stealing something from somebody
Speaker 1: that you don't even respect, You're just giving credence to
Speaker 1: the fact that they are valuable and have ideas and
Speaker 1: and that value and merit, And all you do is
Speaker 1: just steal it and appropriated to your own, uh and
Speaker 1: and then you still maintain your superiority. It's just kind
Speaker 1: of hilarious. Yeah. Yeah, it's unself aware. That is moral
Speaker 1: hermit crabbing. Um, except for I like hermit crabs, and
Speaker 1: I do not like the Fallwells. Jerry Folwell Jr. Is
Speaker 1: considerably more positive in his words to the President than
Speaker 1: he has been in emails writing about his own students. Earlier.
Speaker 1: In September two, nineteen, Reuter's published an article based on
Speaker 1: leaked emails from Fallwell to his faculty. The title Exclusive.
Speaker 1: Fallwell blasted liberty student as retarded, police chief as half
Speaker 1: wit in emails. Yeah, Reuter's interviewed reviewed several dozen emails
Speaker 1: which painted a pattern of intense disrespect for the people
Speaker 1: who attend Liberty and work there. Here are some examples.
Speaker 1: Ronald Songs, the dean of the engineering school, was a
Speaker 1: bag of hot air who couldn't spell the word profit.
Speaker 1: Fallwell wrote in two thousand eleven, Richards, he thinks that's
Speaker 1: like a sick burn. I think he does. It's not,
Speaker 1: It's definitely not. Richard Hinckley, the campus police chief, was
Speaker 1: a half wit and easy to manipulate, and shouldn't be
Speaker 1: allowed to speak publicly. Hinckley couldn't be reached for comment
Speaker 1: on the count, probably of how half he's too much
Speaker 1: of a half wit to talk to the press. Of
Speaker 1: Kevin Keys, then Liberties Associate athletics director Folwell wrote in
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve, only get Kevin involved in something if
Speaker 1: you want it to not work. Why would you hire
Speaker 1: that guy? Like, why won't you let that guy have
Speaker 1: a position at your school? If that's what you're saying
Speaker 1: about it. Up until very recently, only an idiot would
Speaker 1: hire Kevin only a fucking moral I am his employed,
Speaker 1: I am his employer, and I regularly show him pictures
Speaker 1: of my wife naked. Get in here, show him your ass.
Speaker 1: You don't deserve to be here. Up until very recently,
Speaker 1: Folwell Jr. Has been allowed to get away with this
Speaker 1: behavior due to the sheer terror everyone else at Liberty
Speaker 1: seems to hold for him. One current university employee told Politico,
Speaker 1: everybody is scared for their life. Everybody walks around in fear. Uh.
Speaker 1: This place to learn a cool place to learn. This
Speaker 1: employee only agreed to speak to Politico after buying a
Speaker 1: burner phone because they were afraid that Fallwell Junior is
Speaker 1: monitoring their communications. Fuck. Yeah, Yeah, it's a real dictatorship
Speaker 1: over there. Sounds pretty great. I love that he's an
Speaker 1: advocate for free speech at schools. Now, the good news
Speaker 1: is that all this bad behavior has finally percolated out
Speaker 1: into the wider world. An activist Christian group, Faithful America,
Speaker 1: has launched a petition to force the Virginia Attorney General
Speaker 1: and the I r S to open criminal investigations into
Speaker 1: Jerry Folwell Jr. They have received over fifteen thousand signatures
Speaker 1: so far. Earlier this month, The Washington Examiner, a very
Speaker 1: right wing news website, published an editorial simply titled Jerry
Speaker 1: Folwell Junior needs to go. And on September, after several
Speaker 1: of these damning articles dropped, two hundred Liberty students protested
Speaker 1: on campus. At least sixty of them demanded an investigation
Speaker 1: into the school's president and his administration. So that's good.
Speaker 1: Maybe something will happen, they've but so much time has passed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he made billions of dollars stealing taxpayer funds and giving
Speaker 1: people worthless degrees uh, in exchange for money it should
Speaker 1: have gone to infrastructure. Yeah, it's like doubly terrible because
Speaker 1: you both waste all those tax dollars and then all
Speaker 1: of these kids wind up in horrible debt for no benefit.
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool, and they don't get educated, and they
Speaker 1: don't get educated, and then the money goes to rigging
Speaker 1: polls online in favor of Donald Trump. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: and buying that hostile a lose lose situation. Except for
Speaker 1: Jean Carlos. Jean Carlo didn't crushing it. Can I assume
Speaker 1: some like European backpackers had a great like great stay
Speaker 1: summer break in Miami. Yeah, yeah, they're also winning so well.
Speaker 1: Thanks Sophia, how you feeling? I mean a lot better
Speaker 1: than after you invited me to talk about dead babies ours.
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure I feel positive like leaving. It's
Speaker 1: just a weird feeling. Normally I leave here and I
Speaker 1: want to curl up until a ball and die. Well,
Speaker 1: I will find another dead baby story to tell you.
Speaker 1: I am not afraid of that being untrue. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: is going to happen. I just got to find another
Speaker 1: real good baby murderer. Like, that's part of the trouble,
Speaker 1: is Yeah, that that is part of the trouble. It's
Speaker 1: just hard to find a good baby killer these days. Hey,
Speaker 1: that's not a challenge. Listeners, don't be like, you know what,
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Speaker 1: only one temperature and Cansylvania and it's just unbearably hot.
Speaker 1: Who's he? Who's your new roommate? Yeah it's you mana
Speaker 1: for he didn't even get canceled. I mean, he just
Speaker 1: got imprisoned. Then how is he in Cansylvania with you? Well,
Speaker 1: I I guess I would say he didn't get canceled
Speaker 1: because he actually faced consequences and the people in Cansylvania
Speaker 1: really don't. Yeah, I guess that's true. Yeah, m hmm.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe that little observation moved you up
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Speaker 1: with We already did a Louis c k joke. I
Speaker 1: can't think of anyone else who's been canceled. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's a there's a lesson in there somewhere. Well, Sophia,
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Speaker 1: shirts at T Public. Uh what it will SOPI? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: if you buy T shirts at T Public, I will
Speaker 1: use them to purchase a hostel in Miami Beach. Uh
Speaker 1: my pool boy. But I won't keep it a secret.
Speaker 1: I will, I will will be proud of Jean Carlow.
Speaker 1: I am. I am very proud. Giancarlo is the only
Speaker 1: one in the story I actually am proud of. It's true.
Speaker 1: He really knows how to ratchet up just being the
Speaker 1: third guy in a threesome. It just seems a person
Speaker 1: in the threesome into some actual real estate and to
Speaker 1: owning a hot co, owning a hospital in Miami Beach.
Speaker 1: That's a weird flex, but I'm I'm in it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like your choices are one of two things.
Speaker 1: Either Liberty University taxpayer dollars go to fund like fraudulent
Speaker 1: polls that support Donald Trump's candidacy, or they go to Giancarlo.
Speaker 1: And I know that I would rather Giancarlo. Gean Carlo
Speaker 1: buy a mile, So buy some T shirts support Giancarlo.
Speaker 1: Listen to the worst year ever, where we'll try to
Speaker 1: get Gian Carlo On as a guest. Uh, actually really fun. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you know someone who's had a threesome with the Fallwelves,
Speaker 1: tell them to hit us up. Episodes done,