Speaker 1: On the be dodcast, the questions asked if movies have
Speaker 1: women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? The patriarchy zef invest start
Speaker 1: changing it with the beck Del casts. Hello, Hello, yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: we're so excited. It's our it's our last show at
Speaker 1: the Ruby. Yes, it is at least at this location
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Speaker 1: of it. Hello. My name is Caitlin. My name is Jamie,
Speaker 1: and we talk about the representation of women in movies
Speaker 1: on our podcast that you're watching right now. Five. You
Speaker 1: see our faces, so clap it up, as they say.
Speaker 1: If you've listened to the podcast before, Oh nice. Remember
Speaker 1: our first live show and everyone was like, where are we?
Speaker 1: Everyone was in the room fully by mistake. They thought
Speaker 1: it was a screening of Dirty Dancing, which it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Um and um no no shame. Clap If you have
Speaker 1: not heard the show before, did anyone come with a friend? OK? Welcome, Hi,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming. Brave, very very brave, you say, brave
Speaker 1: and non allied women clearly hates women haven't heard the
Speaker 1: shop until tonight. And now you're here and we're going
Speaker 1: to fix you. Okay, so just out of curiosity, today's
Speaker 1: movie is Home Alone. We've seen it, clap. Has anyone
Speaker 1: like me before a couple of days ago not seen
Speaker 1: it before? Okay, I'm a dumbass, thank you? All right?
Speaker 1: I mean I think we can both agree. I read
Speaker 1: at the Jump feminist master Pie for sure. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: has a feminist agenda, and we all know that. You
Speaker 1: just gotta really dig down and make stuff up for
Speaker 1: that which will be of today's show. Literally, what are
Speaker 1: we going to talk about today? Hard hard to say,
Speaker 1: but to join us in that discussion, We've got a guess,
Speaker 1: as we always do. She's a writer. She's the host
Speaker 1: of the Treso Talk podcast Give it up for tam
Speaker 1: you here? Hi, Hello, welcome you. I have my beverages,
Speaker 1: all two of them. Yes, I'm going to urinate on
Speaker 1: the stage please. I like to think of the venue
Speaker 1: as as your litter box. Really, it's nice. I was
Speaker 1: just thinking I'm getting a cat, and I was like,
Speaker 1: people should have litter boxes. It's way smarter. I did
Speaker 1: something really terrible and embarrassing the other day. I peed
Speaker 1: on my dog's pep pad standing up. What was the
Speaker 1: motivation I don't know. Sometimes things like that make me
Speaker 1: feel alive. Oh so you don't like that's possible. You
Speaker 1: weren't like about to have an emergence that you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can't get to the toilet and time Kit was
Speaker 1: really trying to find the rationale. I had to walk
Speaker 1: farther to get to the toilet, so you wanted the
Speaker 1: pe I totally get that impulse. Being standing up is beautiful,
Speaker 1: which I understand toxic masculinity. Every time I pee standing up,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh this it's empowered about Okay, why also
Speaker 1: why can't Well, I guess I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: think that there is a way in which women could
Speaker 1: stand up. Have you ever seen like there is like
Speaker 1: a complicated funnel that was on the market for a
Speaker 1: bit that I was like, maybe I'll do it. I
Speaker 1: owned one. You have one? Wa what does it get
Speaker 1: there for camping? Oh it's too it's unnecessary, Like how long?
Speaker 1: Is it? Like a to be thing? It's a funnel
Speaker 1: with like a little like a skinny penis at style
Speaker 1: in Yeah, alright, well we've all learned a lot so
Speaker 1: far here. Okay, there's just like no way I'm not
Speaker 1: going to pee in the litter box at some point,
Speaker 1: please text me like, I will text you see what
Speaker 1: clum page we get, We'll figure it out what happens. Okay,
Speaker 1: so wants to die? Okay? Just I mean speaking of
Speaker 1: pe home alone? Am I right? No? No one? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's there for a while. Does he not p the
Speaker 1: whole two days he's home alone? But then the other
Speaker 1: argument is like we should have seen him peeing, which
Speaker 1: we shouldn't know, so you know, the peeing is implying
Speaker 1: so tomorrow. What's your history your relationship with this film.
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite or it was one of
Speaker 1: my favorite movies until I just rewatched it earlier this week,
Speaker 1: and I was like, ah, when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: I think I saw it as like a documentary because
Speaker 1: I just realized today I've had a weird trauma about
Speaker 1: getting burglarized when left home alone, and I didn't know
Speaker 1: why I still have that. I believe it on the
Speaker 1: movie like a goofy burglary or a scary one, like
Speaker 1: an actual one. Yeah, And then I was like, it
Speaker 1: was so goofy. That's what I thought when I saw
Speaker 1: it last week. But it was scary when you were
Speaker 1: a kid. It was scary and it's and it's still
Speaker 1: a trauma I have of being alone and like having
Speaker 1: people break into my apartment. I like talk about it
Speaker 1: in therapy all the time, and I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't want to blame the movie, but like kind of
Speaker 1: weird that it's my favorite movie and that's my biggest thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, it just goes to show how influential film is,
Speaker 1: which is why we need this podcast. Caitlin or what's
Speaker 1: your history with this movie? I grew up with it
Speaker 1: hard um whatever that means. Like I was four when
Speaker 1: it came out in UM, but I think I probably
Speaker 1: saw it for the first time when I was like
Speaker 1: five or six, watched it steadily dozens and dozens of
Speaker 1: times throughout my childhood, probably un till I was like
Speaker 1: eight or nine or so, and then I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm older than Kevin Funk this movie now, so I didn't.
Speaker 1: I kind of stopped caring about it at some point
Speaker 1: and I hadn't seen it since then, so it's been
Speaker 1: a solid twenty plus years since I had revisited it
Speaker 1: does hold up. I was surprised that the movie does
Speaker 1: a lot of things to justify, like why they would
Speaker 1: have forgotten Kevin at home, like they do try really
Speaker 1: hard to get back to him right away. I didn't
Speaker 1: remember any of that. I was like, if his family
Speaker 1: doesn't even notice he's gone, except for that one part
Speaker 1: where Katherine O'Hara is on the plane goes kind of
Speaker 1: which is a cinematic moment like it will go down
Speaker 1: in history. It's horrible that when I was watching them
Speaker 1: forget him, I'm like, no, that makes sense. Well, there's
Speaker 1: so many children there, how do you keep a million?
Speaker 1: And they all look like yeah, within two inches of
Speaker 1: height of the same child. And then she sent him
Speaker 1: to the dungeon the upst the attic. I'm like, you
Speaker 1: know what, as someone who like my parents did forget
Speaker 1: me places like once or twice in ways that I
Speaker 1: feel like we're more careless than what Katherine O'Hara did.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but yeah, so I have. I watched
Speaker 1: this a lot as a as a child, but not
Speaker 1: at all as an adult. What about you, Jamie, I
Speaker 1: didn't grow up with this movie. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I was like, I just I call. I was on
Speaker 1: the film with my mom today and I was like,
Speaker 1: why didn't we watch Home alone? When I was little,
Speaker 1: She's like, it's dorky. I know. I I thought it
Speaker 1: was a lovely romp when I watched it, But I
Speaker 1: don't know. My mom thought it was dorky, so we didn't,
Speaker 1: which is weird because like she has horrible taste and everything,
Speaker 1: which anyone who listens the podcast is well aware of.
Speaker 1: But what the movie I watched a ba jillion times
Speaker 1: was The Jim Carrey Grinch, which my mom is like, now,
Speaker 1: this is film, which, by the way, Jamie, we should
Speaker 1: at least spend a little bit of time discussing what
Speaker 1: you're wearing. Yeah, I have where it's a it's a
Speaker 1: holiday episode where grin cheese. I wore a reddish color,
Speaker 1: so I'm in a holiday spirit, you know, tasteful. This
Speaker 1: is actually a traditional um winter Solstice outfit. So I'm
Speaker 1: actually doing a really good job. I'm in white representing
Speaker 1: God of course, headset toe, so I feel like we
Speaker 1: really have some father son holy spirit energy on stage here.
Speaker 1: You decide who's who. Yeah, I just I didn't grow
Speaker 1: up with this movie. Uh, And now I was kind
Speaker 1: of bummed out because when I watched it, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I wish I had Yeah, it's so fun. It is.
Speaker 1: It's a beloved movie. Ye, it made a bazillion dollars
Speaker 1: at the box office, was an instant smash. So thought
Speaker 1: it was dorky. So what year did it come out? Okay,
Speaker 1: so I was born in eighty three? So how old
Speaker 1: was I? I can't do Basically, I was, okay, you're
Speaker 1: like the perfect day to say this movie? Yeah? How
Speaker 1: old was Kevin? Eight? Oh? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is this is perfect. It's try and then I think
Speaker 1: mccaulli Colchium is nine. Yeah, right, well represented here seven,
Speaker 1: eight and nine, talk ab progressive. All right, should I
Speaker 1: get into the recap let's recap it feminist masterpiece? Here
Speaker 1: we go. So the McAlister House, which is somewhere in
Speaker 1: the very wealthy suburbs of Chicago, is full of people
Speaker 1: as they all prep for this holiday trip that they're
Speaker 1: taking as a family to Paris, which good for you. Right,
Speaker 1: they were rich. They were rich, very rich, and it
Speaker 1: does not really go addressed how rich they are. But
Speaker 1: when the pizza cons at the beginning of like dollars,
Speaker 1: you're like, as an they're billionaires. I know, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: So they're leaving for this trip the following morning, and
Speaker 1: then we meet Kevin. That's Macaulay Culkin. Of course, uh,
Speaker 1: he is whiny, he's causing trouble. He doesn't know how
Speaker 1: to pack his suitcase. But he's not like the other kids, right,
Speaker 1: He's precocious. But his family is like, oh, man, you're
Speaker 1: so helpless, you can't do anything for yourself. And then
Speaker 1: his mom Kate Catherine O'Hara, and his dad Peter played
Speaker 1: by John Heard, we we meet those characters. We meet
Speaker 1: Kevin's brother, Buzz, who has I got Buzz honestly, and
Speaker 1: buzzes to Rantla and his creepy posters and his playboy
Speaker 1: magazine that we find out he has later on, okay,
Speaker 1: carefully alright, a former playboy there. Oh the worst fact
Speaker 1: about me? I worked at Hooters, so I get it. Okay,
Speaker 1: true story, but it was as a delivery driver. Then
Speaker 1: that is a also true. Is the best fact about you?
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. So Buzz tells Kevin about their neighbor,
Speaker 1: this older man named Marley, who Buzz says is known
Speaker 1: as the shovel Slayer and he killed his whole family
Speaker 1: with a snow shovel. So Kevin's really scared of him.
Speaker 1: Now the family sits down to dinner, which is hundreds
Speaker 1: of dollars worth of pizza. I like, adjusted for inflation,
Speaker 1: does anyone have a ballpark of how much that would be?
Speaker 1: I pulled up the converter and then I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to know. It's too much. Would guess,
Speaker 1: but ten thousand American dollars. I lived in Argentina when
Speaker 1: this came out, so for me it was ten tho
Speaker 1: dollars because the Argentine basil is worth ship so so there.
Speaker 1: So you're like, oh, these people are fucking million billionaires.
Speaker 1: How much is a pizza costa? That's so confusing. So
Speaker 1: the family they're having dinner and Kevin gets in a
Speaker 1: fight with Buzz and all everything gets spilled, and his
Speaker 1: whole family staring at him, being like you eaty, Look
Speaker 1: what you did. His uncle really lays into him. What
Speaker 1: is that line? He says, He's like, look what you did,
Speaker 1: your little jerk? He really he hits jerks so hard
Speaker 1: and silence. Yeah, Frank was cheap a uncle. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: would not pay the pizza boy who was hot. He
Speaker 1: was hot. Okay, he's probably a teenager. Not Now he's
Speaker 1: like fifty years old. Now, don't persecute me. I'm so sorry. Okay.
Speaker 1: So then there's also a cop just inside their house
Speaker 1: and we're like, okay, this family loves cops unclear. I
Speaker 1: don't love that. But he's like standing there and he
Speaker 1: talks to Kevin's dad saying like, hey, just be careful.
Speaker 1: There's a lot more home burglaries around the holidays. Like
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure you have like adequate
Speaker 1: home security, and like how rich do you have to
Speaker 1: be for the police to show up at your house
Speaker 1: to be like there might be crime at some point? Right?
Speaker 1: It's like there, you live in Chicago, Like, go do something.
Speaker 1: There are murders to solve. Yeah. So and it's Joe
Speaker 1: Pesci and it's this is the reason why I picked
Speaker 1: this movie. Honestly, head, I'm obsessed. But it's dark. Okay,
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to un let's get into it. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. So Kevin's dad's like, don't worry, like we're
Speaker 1: going to Paris. We've got alarms, like everything is fine.
Speaker 1: And then suddenly Joe Pesci flashes his gold tooth and
Speaker 1: this cop seems sketchy all of a sudden, show your
Speaker 1: show your no one asked to see his badge, and
Speaker 1: that's not a victim blame. But it was not a
Speaker 1: victim blame, but the whole family should have been murdering.
Speaker 1: Then Kevin's mom sends Kevin upstairs and it's like quit
Speaker 1: causing trouble you a little shit, and he's like, families suck.
Speaker 1: I wish you'd all disappear. So then the following morning,
Speaker 1: the family is like rushing around to head to the
Speaker 1: airport because everyone slept in because there's a power outage.
Speaker 1: There was like a bajillion kids. There's so many kids, right,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of kids, right, and they but
Speaker 1: they all slept in, so there's chaos and they forget
Speaker 1: about Kevin, who is sleeping in the upstairs dungeon, and
Speaker 1: they accidentally leave him behind. Now Kevin wakes up and
Speaker 1: discovers that his family is gone, and he thinks that
Speaker 1: his wish was granted, and he's really excited about it.
Speaker 1: He's jumping on the bed, he's eating junk food, he's
Speaker 1: watching trashy movies, and meanwhile outside to burglars are casing
Speaker 1: the house and one of them is the cop from
Speaker 1: the beginning, Joe Pesci. From here on, his character's name
Speaker 1: is Harry, and then there's also Marv that's Daniel Stern's character.
Speaker 1: They go to break into the house because they think
Speaker 1: no one is home, but then like Kevin sees them
Speaker 1: lurking outside, so he turns the light on and scares
Speaker 1: them off. Meanwhile, Kevin's mom is on the plane first class,
Speaker 1: first class, but they keep like couching it by being like,
Speaker 1: it's the other guy. He upgraded us this like mysterious uncle.
Speaker 1: And it's also like the end of the eighties. It's
Speaker 1: technically you're like, he got this money in a bad way, right, Oh,
Speaker 1: for sure, you're like this reeks of like dirty eighties
Speaker 1: Wall Street money. Definitely, Yeah, they did not earn that vacation.
Speaker 1: But this is when we get the moment where Kevin's
Speaker 1: mom is like, co god, she realizes this immediately and
Speaker 1: then I'm like, oh, we have to get back home.
Speaker 1: So they land in Paris there like calling the police
Speaker 1: being like can you go check on Kevin. Nothing's really
Speaker 1: working out. None of the neighbors are answering, and the
Speaker 1: phone line doesn't work. That's another thing that they set up.
Speaker 1: The phone isn't working at their house right before they leave,
Speaker 1: because a decent job of cutting off all reasons they
Speaker 1: want to see dystopian home alone. I think that's just
Speaker 1: the movie's Skyfall. Remember how Skyfall does a home alone
Speaker 1: thing at the end. Yeah, okay, So Kevin puts his
Speaker 1: hands on his face and goes ah, and we're like, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: this happy moment. I forgot that it was an aftershave thing.
Speaker 1: I thought he was like, I'm scared. I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: marketing is so tricky. And then he goes out to
Speaker 1: buy a toothbrush and he runs into the neighbor that
Speaker 1: he's afraid of, and then he runs into the burglars
Speaker 1: who have just robbed a nearby house, and now both
Speaker 1: parties are suspicious of each other, and Kevin's like, when
Speaker 1: those guys come back, I'll be ready for them. So
Speaker 1: he knows that they're burglars somehow or something. Well, when
Speaker 1: they almost hit them with a car, which I also
Speaker 1: got right here. Yeah, who wrote this? Fucking John John Is?
Speaker 1: So we're like, what this is? Actually like? John Hughes
Speaker 1: is least problematic script, probably because there's no women in right.
Speaker 1: So then Kevin pretends there's a party going on at
Speaker 1: his house using a bunch of mannequins that his family
Speaker 1: has for some reason, and a Michael and a cardboard
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. That was what a fun party, classes right?
Speaker 1: I want to be invited. I would watch a David
Speaker 1: Lynch short that was a Michael Jordan cut out in
Speaker 1: a bunch of mannequen. So the burglars are tricked by this,
Speaker 1: but eventually Harry figures out that Kevin is indeed home alone.
Speaker 1: That's the name of the movie, and he loudly exclaims
Speaker 1: that they will come back that night at nine pm,
Speaker 1: and Kevin hears it. Yeah, So Kevin makes a Christmas
Speaker 1: wish that he wants his family back, and he goes
Speaker 1: into a church. He talks to his neighbor, who isn't
Speaker 1: a scary murder after all, right, which is like, you're like,
Speaker 1: the lesson is if you are afraid of an adult,
Speaker 1: you should talk to them by yourself. Unclear on that, right,
Speaker 1: But the old guy ends up being very nice. So meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Kevin's mom has made it to Scranton shout out to Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: and she is now getting a ride in a moving
Speaker 1: truck with a polka band that John Candy is the
Speaker 1: clarinet player for shout out to clarinet. I wish there
Speaker 1: have been an oboe, but there's really no place for
Speaker 1: the polka band. Now it's a little too ready, sure,
Speaker 1: but you know high clarinet visibility. Yes, yes, and that
Speaker 1: when we do respect that, we do so. Kevin returns
Speaker 1: home where he definitely left the doors unlocked, so the
Speaker 1: burglars could just walk in at any time, by the way,
Speaker 1: and then he booby traps the whole house. He's icing
Speaker 1: the entryways. He puts tar and glue different places, little
Speaker 1: toys that hurt when you step on them. And then
Speaker 1: the burglars come back exactly at nine pm sharp, just
Speaker 1: like they said, and they but they slip on the
Speaker 1: ice and then there's an iron in his face. But
Speaker 1: they're so determined to get into this house to steal what.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess VCRs pizza money. Right. It's
Speaker 1: like in Fast and Furious one, where like the whole
Speaker 1: thing is liked blares. You're like, I guess that that's
Speaker 1: a good highest for this specific span of three months.
Speaker 1: So you know, the burglars are encountering all these obstacles,
Speaker 1: but they finally make their way in. There's a trantula.
Speaker 1: They trip a bunch over a bunch of stuff, and
Speaker 1: they're like, I'm gonna get that kid, But then Kevin's
Speaker 1: zip lines to his treehouse and gets away. They're chasing
Speaker 1: after him, but then they catch him. But then Kevin's neighbor,
Speaker 1: the nice guy who's not a murderer, comes in and
Speaker 1: staves the day by bonking the bad guys with a shovel,
Speaker 1: and then the cops come. They arrest the burglars, and
Speaker 1: the next day is Christmas, and Kevin wakes up and
Speaker 1: he's like, my family, are they gonna be here? And
Speaker 1: then they're not, But then his mom shows up, but
Speaker 1: then none of the other families there, but then they are,
Speaker 1: and everyone's like and then we're like, okay, now I
Speaker 1: know which ones were the siblings and which ones were
Speaker 1: the cousins. They yes, so that's oh also yeah, no will.
Speaker 1: It ends with the old man wax the burglars with
Speaker 1: his shovel, and then he and Kevin make a silent
Speaker 1: packed to never talk about it. He does not report
Speaker 1: it to the police, is Kevin doesn't say a word,
Speaker 1: and then they exchanged this look at the end, that's like,
Speaker 1: don't tell? It was like, who does it benefit to
Speaker 1: not tell anybody? Now there's burglars on the lice? But whatever?
Speaker 1: Do you think Kevin had trauma after this? Yes, it
Speaker 1: would have had to. I had trauma and I was
Speaker 1: just watching it. And then there was home alone too
Speaker 1: start Trump. What the yikes? But that's the story for
Speaker 1: homelone one. So there you have it. Jamie, would you
Speaker 1: join me backstage for a minute because I have to
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Speaker 1: I don't know why she's doing this. Caitlyn, what okay?
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Speaker 1: the main room? You bet? I will? Damn Hi, Hello.
Speaker 1: We're so sorry. Usually we're like, wow, there's so much
Speaker 1: to talk about. Um, you know, this is just a
Speaker 1: light episode. This is really more of a hangout. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just hanging out where we discussed. I mean, so,
Speaker 1: I guess where we could start is with Kate McAlister. Sure, okay,
Speaker 1: what do we know about her? She's Kevin's mom. Mom.
Speaker 1: She ignored him right at the beginning. He had valid points.
Speaker 1: He went to her bed and he said, Mom, they
Speaker 1: won't let me do this, and she said, shut the
Speaker 1: funk up. And he said, Mom, they treat me like
Speaker 1: ship and she was like, get out. She shushed him
Speaker 1: a million times. She was on a work call. Did
Speaker 1: she work? She was a great question. Um, it is unclear.
Speaker 1: She's on the phone with someone at the beginning, but
Speaker 1: I think it's a family member. That's what I kind
Speaker 1: of thought as well. Um, it is not made ever
Speaker 1: explicitly clear what her job is if she does have
Speaker 1: a job, Nor is it make clear what Kevin's dad's
Speaker 1: job is if he has a job. Apparently there are
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're Reddit threads or what's out there,
Speaker 1: but there's like a fan theory that Kevin's mom is
Speaker 1: the breadwinner of the family. That was not the theory
Speaker 1: I came across. A good theory, Okay, I think the
Speaker 1: only evidence that I found to support this was that
Speaker 1: she she had the money in her pocketbook to pay
Speaker 1: he's a delivery driver, and she's wearing a suit, which
Speaker 1: means that she has a job. She's a business I
Speaker 1: feel like in like costuming wise, that does kind of
Speaker 1: like means I don't know. I feel like, especially in
Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties, they female characters are dressed so
Speaker 1: in an expository way of like, this is the sexy character,
Speaker 1: this is the mom, and she was dressed like a
Speaker 1: working mom because the aunt is dressed fabulously with like
Speaker 1: hurls and like like, but she she doesn't have a job.
Speaker 1: I felt like a business job, and a business job. Yeah. Sure.
Speaker 1: The dad was a total schmuck too, he was Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that he was like I I think that
Speaker 1: he may have worked, he may have had a job,
Speaker 1: but I don't think he was on her level. And
Speaker 1: I would bet that her family was like, are you
Speaker 1: sure about Peter? I thought that too, right, and then
Speaker 1: she was like, well, he's inheriting this really nice house.
Speaker 1: I had all these rewatched it. It almost feels the
Speaker 1: way my family thinks about my husband who's a musician. Oh,
Speaker 1: like are you are you sure? And you're like, but
Speaker 1: it's for love, and they're like, what is it? But
Speaker 1: it allows me to run the household, right, It's exciting,
Speaker 1: it's great. I love to dominate. I think the bad
Speaker 1: that's how you exert dominance over your households. It was
Speaker 1: just one of the guess who's that that's terrifying. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna come on the defense of Kevin's dad hanging out. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: a lot of movies, especially of this era, and especially
Speaker 1: in this genre, if they're framing like a family unit
Speaker 1: like this, they're subscribing to a lot of tropes, and
Speaker 1: the tropes are usually that it's like a shrewy cartoonishly
Speaker 1: uptight mom and then a very doofy dad. I felt
Speaker 1: neither of those stereotypes were really played too in this movie.
Speaker 1: I felt that the dad was actually like very supportive
Speaker 1: of his wife. Yeah, and it seems that they had
Speaker 1: an equal parenting relationship. It seems like they were both
Speaker 1: doing a lot. Well, you know, someone's got to pay
Speaker 1: for the pizza, right, But like the two of them
Speaker 1: seem too. I mean, in the few scenes we see
Speaker 1: them parenting and not dwelling on their failure of parenting,
Speaker 1: it seems like it's kind of and and they have
Speaker 1: four kids, um, and it seems like they're they're they're
Speaker 1: splitting their responsibilities. Is it four? Is if? Is there
Speaker 1: another one? Might be? Oh wait, because there's little Karen
Speaker 1: Coulkin too, but he's one of the cousins. He's a cousin.
Speaker 1: But there's like I think the eldest daughter is maybe
Speaker 1: two sisters, two brothers. That was my way to let
Speaker 1: me check. I am dB production. There are eleven kids
Speaker 1: total in the household between the two families. But if
Speaker 1: there's only four kids in the McAlister unit, there is five.
Speaker 1: There's Jeff McAllister, Kevin's elder brother, Megan McAllister, Kevin's eldest sister,
Speaker 1: Buzz the older brother, and then Lenny. So there's five
Speaker 1: kids and then the Callister family. I would forget one
Speaker 1: every time I left, Honestly, anyone who's coming down too
Speaker 1: hard on Kate and Peter consider right. I mean so
Speaker 1: like the way that they're acting towards Kevin in the
Speaker 1: very beginning, where they're like shut up, just like do
Speaker 1: what you're told, and dada, like they're frantic they're dealing
Speaker 1: with there's eleven children in their house. I would have
Speaker 1: be having a meltdown. But I think that whenever when
Speaker 1: like they're like on the flight to their trip, the
Speaker 1: chaos has died down and his mom is like I
Speaker 1: can't not do it. Um She's like I can't help
Speaker 1: but feel like I forgot something. And I feel like
Speaker 1: the dad could have been at least favorite son. He
Speaker 1: went through Like I feel like in a lot of movies,
Speaker 1: the dad would be like, oh, you're overreacting, like just relax,
Speaker 1: like everything's fine, but he's like, well, let's go through
Speaker 1: this was it. The coffee machine was at the door,
Speaker 1: like he was always like very supportive and like he
Speaker 1: never like belittle her or undermined her. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: really liked it. Good people. Yeah, I really do think
Speaker 1: they were good. I don't know, I was very sympathetic
Speaker 1: with them the whole time. And I also felt like
Speaker 1: the opening sequence where like Kevin is being talked down
Speaker 1: to and kind of like dumped on by his family,
Speaker 1: it's like a little over the top, but I feel
Speaker 1: like that's almost written to be from his perspective that
Speaker 1: when you're a little kid, you think like I, I
Speaker 1: was from like a big family too, and you always
Speaker 1: feel like no one likes me. I don't get the
Speaker 1: attention I deserved. My parents don't want to talk to
Speaker 1: me because there are too many other kids around. Like
Speaker 1: I feel like that it's just like heightening, you know that,
Speaker 1: like Kevin is like lost in this mix of kids
Speaker 1: and he doesn't really fit anywhere because he's not Tarantula
Speaker 1: kid yet the kid we all aspire to me. He
Speaker 1: was the creative if you think about it, like he
Speaker 1: was like the you know, he was kind of a
Speaker 1: child prodigy, Like who does all the like the talk
Speaker 1: are in the feathers and I mean, yeah, he's a mastermind.
Speaker 1: He's an engineer, a little boy in stem if you will,
Speaker 1: he does the whole thing where there's explosives. Yeah, where
Speaker 1: who tied him that? Buzz? Will you steal the firecrackers
Speaker 1: from buzzes like porn stash area. Buzz reminds me of
Speaker 1: Sid from Toy Store. Yeah, you're like, oh another Tally
Speaker 1: Kid the movie that has a different character named Buzz
Speaker 1: in it the connections. Oh wait, no, it's Buzz, Like
Speaker 1: I don't think it was the dog because that would
Speaker 1: just happenes. Holy sh it, I think I'm sick. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think Buzz and Sid or both grow up to
Speaker 1: be the feminists. Okay, okay, we can talk about Buzz
Speaker 1: for a second. Buzz at eleven doesn't have the best
Speaker 1: few of women yet. Can I tell you a fact
Speaker 1: I've read? Yes, you know how. At one point, Kevin
Speaker 1: pulls out a picture of Buzz's girlfriends. Yes, that's the
Speaker 1: director wearing a wig because he is crazy. He's Columbus
Speaker 1: in a whig. He didn't want to make fun of
Speaker 1: women's looks. That he's kind of endearing. Is this movie
Speaker 1: a gift from the heavens? That's like such a that's
Speaker 1: a very round about sweet thing to do is like,
Speaker 1: I don't want any like young girl to feel like
Speaker 1: she's weird looking. You know what's weird looking me? Because
Speaker 1: because Kevin sees the picture and he's like, oh, Buzzer's
Speaker 1: girlfriend Wolf. Yeah, I don't hate it. There's I told
Speaker 1: you guys, there's a lot of attourney. We'll be here
Speaker 1: until six am. This is a sleepover. That's why we
Speaker 1: were wearing pajamas. No, well, Buzz, you know, Buzz says
Speaker 1: some he has his California girl posters, his his babe
Speaker 1: posters of the era. You can tell he's a horny
Speaker 1: young man that doesn't quite understand how to speak of
Speaker 1: women respectfully. We get the feeling he's being raised by
Speaker 1: a strong woman. She'll catch on when she has time
Speaker 1: she has and be like, hey, let's you know, let's
Speaker 1: have a discussion, and then she'll give him a rock
Speaker 1: sand gay book. Right but right now, he says, is
Speaker 1: it true that French babes don't shave their pits? And
Speaker 1: he's grossed out by women's body hair fuzz uh. And
Speaker 1: then he's like, Francis nude beaches, right, And then they're like,
Speaker 1: it's winter he's like Tarantula's Oh my god, he's just
Speaker 1: you know. I like to imagine the buzz Later goes
Speaker 1: on a journey and you know, discovers some good literature
Speaker 1: and really gets zack together. It was his friends from
Speaker 1: school that we're influencing him. To me, Yeah, is the
Speaker 1: letterman jacket all the time, And they got that Playboy
Speaker 1: magazine for him. Well, I don't think Peter's hoarding those
Speaker 1: unless but unless he we don't know. We don't know.
Speaker 1: What I think is buzz Later writes a blog post
Speaker 1: when blogs exist, so when he's like in his late twenties,
Speaker 1: he writes a blog post. It's like letter to my
Speaker 1: younger self. And then he writes about all the toxic
Speaker 1: things he learned as a child, and he apologizes to
Speaker 1: all the California babes. I hope that happened there. I
Speaker 1: think that they're what we're learning is there's so few
Speaker 1: female characters to talk about that we're just head cannoning
Speaker 1: all the children. Well there's I think there's a little
Speaker 1: bit more to talk about with Kevin's his mom, with Kate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, I forgot how much we cut back to
Speaker 1: the family. Like I remember the Kevin thing happening on
Speaker 1: the airplane, but I didn't quite remember, like how often
Speaker 1: we cut back to her, like desperately trying to figure
Speaker 1: out a way to get home. Very active, very active.
Speaker 1: She's like delegating tasks, she's getting ship done. She's like
Speaker 1: negotiating with people, whether it's like people work at the
Speaker 1: airlines or like other customers who were like I will
Speaker 1: give you five dollars, I'll give you all the jewelry
Speaker 1: off my body, like take everything. I just I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get home. So she's like doing stuff Like I
Speaker 1: think she's easily a far more memorable character than the Dad,
Speaker 1: who for sure no one remember. I mean maybe some
Speaker 1: people remember the Dad, but like he and I think
Speaker 1: that a lesser movie would have given all these tasks
Speaker 1: to there, or at least some of the more active
Speaker 1: tasks to the dad, where it's like I feel like
Speaker 1: she is responding to like the maternal instinct, which is like,
Speaker 1: you know, rooted in some truth and can sometimes be
Speaker 1: used as a more trophy thing for a movie, but
Speaker 1: in this movie it makes sense. The dad is supportive
Speaker 1: of it every step of the way. But there is
Speaker 1: that one moment where like she's at the airport and
Speaker 1: she's like, I forgot my son at home, and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: let's just go to Paris and see what happens. Then
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, One thing I found weird is when
Speaker 1: they arrive at Paris, she she calls the cops back
Speaker 1: in Chicago and she says, my son is home alone.
Speaker 1: My son is home alone. But she doesn't say I
Speaker 1: forgot my son at home. True, that was a red
Speaker 1: flag that she didn't hold herself accountable for her mistake.
Speaker 1: And then the cops says, oh, this woman's hyper. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well I thought that that was interesting too, because I'm like,
Speaker 1: would they have acted that way if it was the
Speaker 1: dad calling They men are called hyper a lot, so
Speaker 1: I mean she should have said, you know, like admitted, listen,
Speaker 1: I forgot about my son and I'm in France. That's
Speaker 1: a bad look, but you got to say it. The
Speaker 1: cops would have gone to the house, right. This is
Speaker 1: all of a labyrinth of pustle pieces that But I
Speaker 1: was very impressive, Like, she is very active. She is clearly,
Speaker 1: you know, thinking smart in the moment, she's thinking strategically.
Speaker 1: It's a very survival based I don't know I think
Speaker 1: that my impression of this movie, or like just like
Speaker 1: what I'd collected over the years, was that his parents
Speaker 1: were like incredibly careless and stupid. But that wasn't what
Speaker 1: I felt watching it, Like, this is just very unfortunate
Speaker 1: for this billionaire family. It's too bad. The other thing
Speaker 1: I found a bit surprising was that because so many movies,
Speaker 1: especially ones that like have a young boy as the
Speaker 1: lead character, the main relationship that will be focused on
Speaker 1: in the movie would be a father son relationship, and
Speaker 1: then this movie, it's far more focused on the mother
Speaker 1: son relationship. Were Like that scene with him and Catherine
Speaker 1: O'Hara at the end is so sweet, and I feel
Speaker 1: like it's so well done by Katherine O'Hara because you
Speaker 1: can see she's like, please don't remember this too much,
Speaker 1: you know, and she loves him so much, and it's
Speaker 1: it warmed in my heart. I have another weird factoid.
Speaker 1: Macauley Culkin still calls her mom in real life weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah is it Weird's not nice? It's weird. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's it's something. Wow, they bonded, so if
Speaker 1: no stue, wait you're telling me Macaulay Culkin thirty nine
Speaker 1: years old, goes on the set of Ship's Creek just
Speaker 1: to scream, and he says, Mom, Katherine O'Hara looks happen
Speaker 1: is like what I'd like to think. This is exactly
Speaker 1: what happened. I hope this happens all. I hope he
Speaker 1: drops in constantly. He just calls to say mom and ing.
Speaker 1: So that that is very I mean, he is so
Speaker 1: little in this movie, like it's man and and like
Speaker 1: so I mean it's this is not a hot take.
Speaker 1: He's very talented. He's so good. I was getting I
Speaker 1: saw Jojo Rabbit recently, and the kid and Jojo Rabbit
Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of mcaulay culkin in the same
Speaker 1: like we're like, wow, this kid's really got something kind
Speaker 1: of way, but like he's so talented, especially because it's
Speaker 1: like a kid having to like carry an entire movie.
Speaker 1: It's no easy to see. Yeah, and like really the
Speaker 1: only thing they had to go. He was in a
Speaker 1: different John Hughes movie. He was an Uncle Buck in
Speaker 1: like a pretty small role. And I guess I read
Speaker 1: there was a If you love this movie and are
Speaker 1: interested in the production of it, there's a really good
Speaker 1: oral history of it that was like collected by John
Speaker 1: Hughes's son that like he just talked to everyone who
Speaker 1: made the movie, and I guess that they auditioned like
Speaker 1: three million. It was a lot of kids, and like
Speaker 1: John Hughes, who like I feel like I listened to
Speaker 1: our other episodes about John Hughes movies because we don't
Speaker 1: love him, but like, for the purposes of this movie,
Speaker 1: I don't really care. Yeah, he was like, it's got
Speaker 1: to be Macaulay Culkin and Chris Columbus was like, let's see,
Speaker 1: let's see what these other tip tapping boys yet, and
Speaker 1: then it still ended up being him because he was
Speaker 1: that good. Was this his like breakout? I think, I think,
Speaker 1: I mean it was like this was his first starring
Speaker 1: like starring starring role, and then we get other classics
Speaker 1: like the Page Mask, Stage Master and My Girl came later. Yes,
Speaker 1: a couple of years after that, he's a start. He's
Speaker 1: a star and he calls Cathine o'harah mom, he's a star.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I love it. I love it. He's great. Um.
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about the things
Speaker 1: that Kevin decides to do while he has no parental supervision.
Speaker 1: At first, he's doing like normal kids stuff, like he's
Speaker 1: jumping on the bed, he's eating junk food, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But then over the span of I suppose a day
Speaker 1: or so, he comes of age. I don't know what happens,
Speaker 1: but he's like, I have to go out and buy
Speaker 1: a toothbrush and I have to make sure it's been
Speaker 1: approved by the American Dental Association. And also I have
Speaker 1: to go buy groceries and use a coupon while I'm
Speaker 1: doing that. And then he does laundry, and then he
Speaker 1: washes the dishes. He does all these domestic domestics that
Speaker 1: we never see boys or men do in movies. Well,
Speaker 1: those are only relegated to girls, and it's not made
Speaker 1: to be a joke. And he's just like, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: in charge of the house. This is what I do.
Speaker 1: But then there's also this weird thing where he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm the man of the house. Now, it's ridiculous for
Speaker 1: me to be scared. I have to protect my domain.
Speaker 1: And okay, cut yourself, yeah, cut yourself a break. You're
Speaker 1: eight years old and Joe Pesci is trying to kill you.
Speaker 1: My dream waste kidding. He overcomes a fear of the
Speaker 1: furnace too. He does, but he really does because the
Speaker 1: furnace talks to him at the beginning, and then he
Speaker 1: stops talking. He's scared. I was also scared of that
Speaker 1: furnace when I was a kid. It's very scary. You
Speaker 1: would have been scared. Yeah, I didn't even register that
Speaker 1: is as him doing you know, traditionally feminine tasks. But
Speaker 1: he's just like, I'm there, and he has like this
Speaker 1: very kind of sweet allegiance to the house. He's like,
Speaker 1: I gotta protect the house. I gonna do. It's like
Speaker 1: this combination of like traditionally masculine and feminine trips that
Speaker 1: are all sort of similarly. To defend his house, he
Speaker 1: uses a mix of household appliances like an iron and
Speaker 1: feathers and what are what do they do those mannequins
Speaker 1: and feathers? Why were there mannequins in the basey my
Speaker 1: head Cannon is that Katherine O Harri's character is the
Speaker 1: breadwinner of the family and she's like a very successful
Speaker 1: fashion designer. That's what I choose to believe. I like
Speaker 1: to think that Peter likes mannis That's my opinion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he uses a mix of like household items and also
Speaker 1: like a BB gun and a like blowtorch kind of thing. Um,
Speaker 1: he's doing it all. There's that moment where the bags
Speaker 1: break while he's walking, while he's walking with the groceries. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and while rewatching it. That scene got me because I
Speaker 1: have a frustration of errands and just lifting, as we
Speaker 1: all do. But that really I related. Yeah, he knows
Speaker 1: what it's like to the grind the grind. One thing
Speaker 1: I felt was missing from the movie is there is
Speaker 1: no cleaning up montage at the end after the burglars
Speaker 1: have been arrested, because how there's tar, there's a glue.
Speaker 1: Weird to believe Kevin cleaned that all up, cleaned it
Speaker 1: all up by himself and put out milk and cookies
Speaker 1: and put like put up the tree, did the stockings,
Speaker 1: all that stuff it could, But I would have liked
Speaker 1: to see the cleaning montage that Kevin did though. I
Speaker 1: think that was an important thing that we missed. Old
Speaker 1: Man Marley helped him for sure, but then at that
Speaker 1: that increases the secret also of like let's make sure
Speaker 1: there's no trace right there. It's so weird. One thing
Speaker 1: that I mean this is so there's so little to
Speaker 1: talk about it in the way, but Kevin has two sisters. Yes,
Speaker 1: they shifted on him relentlessly. I liked that in this
Speaker 1: montage of like just every kid in the house is
Speaker 1: like Kevin's a loser, he sucks. There was, you know,
Speaker 1: no discrimination in terms of gender, in terms of who
Speaker 1: thinks Kevin sucks. Because I feel like, you know, a
Speaker 1: lesser movie would be like, you know, would have like
Speaker 1: female children be like no, it's but everyone's just like
Speaker 1: fuck you, Kevin, You're You're the worst piece of ship
Speaker 1: and he's like, wow, did just you know? So I
Speaker 1: liked and I I felt that the girls were given
Speaker 1: the superior burns. Yes, what's up with that classy burn?
Speaker 1: She's educated surrealist burn. Yeah, I don't know what what
Speaker 1: why that though? That that choice, I'm like, oh, she's
Speaker 1: she read you know, three pages of a like. Um.
Speaker 1: So I liked. I mean, obviously I wish that there
Speaker 1: were more and the choice of a big brother over
Speaker 1: a big sister, you know, that's you can kind of
Speaker 1: make it that way you will, But I did like
Speaker 1: that it was an equal opportunity dump on Kevin montage
Speaker 1: at the top, I appreciated that. I want to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about other comparable movies of this era,
Speaker 1: like late eighties into the nineties, the like children and
Speaker 1: family movies from this time because of the popular ones
Speaker 1: that are still remembered and beloved. Most of them are
Speaker 1: very male driven stories. Most of them have male protagonists,
Speaker 1: including I think holiday movies in generalists, well, I would
Speaker 1: say so for sure, yes, and just all movies, but
Speaker 1: it extends to children and family movies as well. Unfortunate
Speaker 1: as that is, uh so, movies like Home Alone, Hook,
Speaker 1: Teenage Mutant, Inta, Turtles, The sand Lot, The Mighty Ducks.
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of sports movies like Space Jam, Little Giants.
Speaker 1: There was Free Willie and we don't know if Willie
Speaker 1: does Willie identify? I don't know if I gendered Willie?
Speaker 1: Does anyone know? ORCA will cover it? But like Little Ras, Heavyweights,
Speaker 1: a goofy movie, an extremely goofy movie. Are those cartoons
Speaker 1: you haven't seen? You haven't seen a goofy movie. I
Speaker 1: feel like you would really love it. Goofy scares me
Speaker 1: a little bit. Really Yeah, I don't like him. He
Speaker 1: gives me Anxietyfy you know how to skip it? I'll
Speaker 1: watch it for you. So you know, there's all these
Speaker 1: beloved movies from this era, but so many of them
Speaker 1: are just like very male driven. Of the like ones
Speaker 1: that are more female driven, they're kind of few and
Speaker 1: far between. There are things like Matilda, Harriet the Spy.
Speaker 1: Those I mean, those are the two that people normally
Speaker 1: sit and those are like two little white girls too.
Speaker 1: Family and you know, like we talked about this a
Speaker 1: lot when it comes to like family and teen movies specifically,
Speaker 1: where there's a giant class gap and most teen or
Speaker 1: family movies don't work if the families are not upper
Speaker 1: middle class at least, like, yeah, there's a huge gap
Speaker 1: in representation. And I mean all entertainment, but like family
Speaker 1: entertainment especially for sure. And then just a couple other ones.
Speaker 1: There's you know, things like hocus Pocus or The Witches
Speaker 1: because women be witches. Or there's like princess movies like
Speaker 1: Beauty the Beasts, Little Mermaid, Little Princess Anastasia because women
Speaker 1: be princesses. So you know, there's a much like narrower
Speaker 1: idea of like what female characters are allowed to be
Speaker 1: at the helm of of a female driven family children
Speaker 1: family movie whereas like ones that star boys or men
Speaker 1: are allowed to like you know, be swashbucklers and adventurers
Speaker 1: and like or athletes, uh you know, all all kinds
Speaker 1: of different stuff. And again that always goes back to
Speaker 1: like who is behind the camera, who is working on
Speaker 1: the movies, because there is not a woman to be
Speaker 1: found in the like primary production trade for Home Alone,
Speaker 1: which I'm sure comes as a surprise to basically no one,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's directed by Chris Columbus, written and
Speaker 1: produced by John Hughes, who has a socio history on
Speaker 1: his portrayed all the female characters at all, and this
Speaker 1: he opts for nothing, uh you know. And and so
Speaker 1: something that like we try to touch on as well
Speaker 1: is that, you know, normally, if there's a problem in
Speaker 1: front of the cameras, because there's also a problem behind it,
Speaker 1: because like Kevin could very easily have been a girl,
Speaker 1: like there's nothing, which is kind of a cool thing
Speaker 1: in the writing too, because he doesn't really strike you
Speaker 1: as like a kid that is like curdling under toxic masculinity.
Speaker 1: You know, it could very easily be a little girl
Speaker 1: what's really kind of sucked up to It's like the
Speaker 1: thieves at one point don't care about money anymore. Is
Speaker 1: they're just trying to kill a kid? Right? Okay, can
Speaker 1: we talk about Joe Pesh Now? Can you tell me
Speaker 1: about I have a third factory. We I've already told
Speaker 1: the two of you. Joe Pesci is a fucking method
Speaker 1: actor on this movie. So he got so into the
Speaker 1: role that he didn't talk to macauley unless it was
Speaker 1: the camera was rolling, and he bit his fucking finger
Speaker 1: to the bone during one of the scenes. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: got that into the role that he fully chewed his flesh.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, can you I leave Joe PESHI? I
Speaker 1: thought this was raging bull his Chindler's like I can't.
Speaker 1: It's it boggles the mind, Like I'm going to get
Speaker 1: an oscar for this, Like what was he? Like? What
Speaker 1: is the motivation? Like I feel like every time someone
Speaker 1: goes method, which I hate, I think it's the most
Speaker 1: annoying thing. And it's always men, And it's always men
Speaker 1: who just are already obnoxious and want to be obnoxious
Speaker 1: and get paid for it. Like it's just anything besides
Speaker 1: some choice. Daniel tay Lewis. But like, but like the
Speaker 1: whole documentary about like I'm Jim Carey and I want
Speaker 1: to be annoying at being You're like, fuck you, fuck
Speaker 1: you because with I'm like getting lightheaded thinking it makes
Speaker 1: me yes. But it's like women, It's very hard to
Speaker 1: find an example of a female actor of any amount
Speaker 1: of fame going method because there is a huge stigma
Speaker 1: of women being divas and women acting unprofessional when that
Speaker 1: is method acting is being unprofessional and being hailed as
Speaker 1: a fucking genius for it. They hate people. I hate people,
Speaker 1: but I do think it's really funny that Joe. Well,
Speaker 1: here's what kills me is that I have Joe Pesci
Speaker 1: on a pedestal, and now the pedestal has been rocked
Speaker 1: to the ground and Joe Pesci's on fallen. One other
Speaker 1: thing is I used to love the idea that Joe
Speaker 1: Pesci is a singer, but I never heard his music
Speaker 1: until I was taking a bath before coming to this
Speaker 1: what I had a full panic attack. He sounds like
Speaker 1: it's like this, Oh, oh, I love you little Baby.
Speaker 1: I swear yeah. The song his latest release is called
Speaker 1: like Little Baby. Where did it come out? In Spotify?
Speaker 1: He's a singer off a Little Baby. It's like it's
Speaker 1: like my my little baby. I don't know, it's something
Speaker 1: with the word baby. Okay, that's from right there. I
Speaker 1: need to teach a college course on Joe Pesci dissertation. Well,
Speaker 1: there were times in the movie where I was like
Speaker 1: finding myself almost on the burglar's side because getting back
Speaker 1: to the like extreme like wealth and upper middle classness
Speaker 1: of this movie, I'm like, they should steal from the
Speaker 1: rich and redistribute their wealth. So I was like, no,
Speaker 1: this is child I I found it very disturbed. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know that it's critical for the movie to work,
Speaker 1: but the amount of like it almost begins to look
Speaker 1: kinky for them, like how much they love being like
Speaker 1: just physically they're destroyed, destroyed like would have killed them
Speaker 1: a million times. They like concussions. They would have died
Speaker 1: on the steps. I mean, Joe Pecchi has like third
Speaker 1: degree burns on his head and hand, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to steal this VCR if it kills me,
Speaker 1: it's good. When did I already say that? When he
Speaker 1: rubs the house before, they don't even care about robbing it.
Speaker 1: He's looking at a collection. Yeah, it's called baby Girl.
Speaker 1: It's baby Girl. It's called pay It. It came out,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it literally came out last week, the
Speaker 1: world premiere. We may be the first prepared. Oh goody,
Speaker 1: the interest very latin. What if I take off all
Speaker 1: my clothes. I'm wearing like glitter all over my body
Speaker 1: with a picture of Joe Pesci on my bush? We're
Speaker 1: now with me. I know what to say, but every chip,
Speaker 1: what is this? What is it going for? I don't
Speaker 1: know if I told you, I don't. I don't like
Speaker 1: him anymore. Oh my god, guys, I'm gonna start jerking off,
Speaker 1: starting to feel horny? Are you horny? I'm kind of horny. Well, well,
Speaker 1: before we get like sued for copyright infringement, what if
Speaker 1: Joe Pesci literally sued us? That would be the best
Speaker 1: press we've ever gotten. True, that Joe Pesci sues feminist
Speaker 1: podcast would be a burn for us and keep it going.
Speaker 1: What if he was backstage and I plotted this whole
Speaker 1: thing and he's my dad. My name's Tomorrow Peshi. God,
Speaker 1: that's long time. I Joe Peshi does a good job
Speaker 1: in this movie? Does he do biting a finger to
Speaker 1: the own baby girl job? We don't know? Should we
Speaker 1: talk about Daniel Stern A little bit the other one
Speaker 1: do you have? He's the narrator. There's the thing about him.
Speaker 1: He's the narrator for the wonder years. Oh I'm smart,
Speaker 1: you are thank you every year? A k A. I
Speaker 1: read a buzz feedway before doing this. That's it about him.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's not much. He contributed a lot to
Speaker 1: the Oral History, which indicated to me that he doesn't
Speaker 1: have anything going on because because it said Joe Pesci
Speaker 1: couldn't be reached, I know, it's not great something. I mean,
Speaker 1: this has nothing to do with women or their portrayal.
Speaker 1: But ei there were some things about this oral History
Speaker 1: that I thought were interesting or charming. So one thing
Speaker 1: that so this was one of Chris Columbus is I
Speaker 1: think one of his maybe one of his first movies
Speaker 1: that he directed. Previously written Grandmans and the Goonies, so
Speaker 1: he had a lot of you know, considered eighties classics
Speaker 1: under his belt. Uh, and then he goes on to
Speaker 1: be kind of a famous children's movie director, specifically because
Speaker 1: he directs the first two Harry Potter movies. Anyways, so
Speaker 1: I guess that he and John Hughes have been trying
Speaker 1: to work together for a while. Uh, and Chris Columbus
Speaker 1: almost directed National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation, which we will probably
Speaker 1: cover at some point because it's but then, okay, here's
Speaker 1: it's just a quote about the time that Chris Columbus
Speaker 1: met Chevy Chase and was afraid of him. So quote,
Speaker 1: I went on to dinner with Chevy Chase. To be
Speaker 1: completely honest, Chevy treated me like dirt, but I stuck
Speaker 1: it out and even went so far as to shoot
Speaker 1: a few scenes with him. So basically, he says that
Speaker 1: chevy Chase verbally abused Chris Columbus into quitting what would
Speaker 1: have been a huge break in his career when he
Speaker 1: was like, oh he's Chevy Chase, known for being a dick.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I had no idea. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: he's just like a vile man. Is a really bad guy.
Speaker 1: That's I think that's why you got kicked off community too.
Speaker 1: It's just because he was just such a horror to
Speaker 1: be around. Is the street chevy Chase named after? I
Speaker 1: wonder this often? Could that possibly be true? Is there
Speaker 1: another chevy Chase? Does anyone remember him now? I mean
Speaker 1: like I think we do, But like what does a
Speaker 1: teenager know who Chevy chases? It seems impossible. I feel
Speaker 1: like community like but no, he's on it for a while.
Speaker 1: How long he's in? Like four? He's forced? Oh wow,
Speaker 1: he got stands in the front row? Was he in
Speaker 1: the Three Amigos? He was? Is that movie good? My
Speaker 1: husband loves people love it and I'm sorry, but you're wrong.
Speaker 1: I hate that movie so much. Isn't like Donald Duck
Speaker 1: in that movie? Not to digress too much, Oh, I
Speaker 1: don't know. You know, there's a different version of the
Speaker 1: three Now, that's the Three Cabanerros. That's what I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about and his various friends. Good call. I've recently decided
Speaker 1: that I think that Donald Duck style nudity is the
Speaker 1: funniest style. I'm attracted to him. I think that I
Speaker 1: think that Donald. Yeah, I'm just like you go for it.
Speaker 1: Just a crop top in like his duck penis. And
Speaker 1: again it's gender neutral because Daisy does the same thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love no pants cartoon. Another no pants cartoon is,
Speaker 1: of course Paddington. Paddington wears a coat, but but it's
Speaker 1: decent enough to cover most of American cartoons. Their commando.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Paddington, Kevin's dad is wearing a Paddington like
Speaker 1: duffle coat throughout the movie. It is it's the wrong color,
Speaker 1: it's tan, but it otherwise is it's it's Paddington's coat,
Speaker 1: its different color. All for Molina couldn't play Kevin McAllister,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, imagine with a blonde wig. Tell me
Speaker 1: you couldn't do it? Before we devolve into this into
Speaker 1: the ground, do you just have one actual last point
Speaker 1: to make sure. And it's just kind of tapping back
Speaker 1: into the discussion of family movies, especially of this era
Speaker 1: and even to some extent today, just so much focus
Speaker 1: on a white nuclear family unit, both parents, hetero, still together,
Speaker 1: still married, parents with white collar jobs, upper middle class
Speaker 1: living in suburban America, especially for like holiday movies I
Speaker 1: focus on like Christian Christmas. I mean, I think it
Speaker 1: just goes back to the whole like family teen movie
Speaker 1: thing too, where it's just like so few movies even
Speaker 1: attempt to address anybody else because it's just like the
Speaker 1: assumption that that is first the norm, which isn't, and
Speaker 1: second that that is like the only thing people are
Speaker 1: interested in seeing, which it isn't. But everyone who makes
Speaker 1: this movie is from that background, and so they you know,
Speaker 1: the problem because those are also the people who are
Speaker 1: privileged enough to like make movies and like have funding
Speaker 1: to like be in charge of getting movies made and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I mean, like even like I lived
Speaker 1: in like in like a blue collar family, rural you know,
Speaker 1: like working class family. Um, and I almost never saw
Speaker 1: myself represented in any family movies when I was growing up. Um,
Speaker 1: and that like folks with kids, yea one thing I felt.
Speaker 1: I remember feeling this as a kid when it came out.
Speaker 1: I was living in Argentina, where I was born, and
Speaker 1: we were really poor, and I remember being really mad
Speaker 1: at Kevin for missing the vacation, right the same way.
Speaker 1: This is a different movie, but the same way I
Speaker 1: was mad at the Little Mermaid for not enjoying like
Speaker 1: her sea royalty and wanting to like be sure, you know,
Speaker 1: missing the concert because I was just like, you have
Speaker 1: moving and we didn't have money, and I was like,
Speaker 1: enjoy your fucking trip to Paris. Yeah that's but yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah they don't. They don't appreciate their wealth when they
Speaker 1: have it. But stopped playing with like popcorn or whatever
Speaker 1: he was playing, like go like Hug your parents and
Speaker 1: be happy. Let's get it together. Jesup, come on. I
Speaker 1: mean it goes without saying that families of color, poor families,
Speaker 1: working class families, uh, you know, kids with disabilities, queer kids.
Speaker 1: I mean still, it's very, very very rare to see.
Speaker 1: And it's also I think like worth mentioning that when
Speaker 1: families that are not the ones that you just described
Speaker 1: are shown, it's often portrayed as tragic or lesser and
Speaker 1: it's not portrayed and it's and it's that sucks because
Speaker 1: it's like when you when you grow up in a
Speaker 1: family that's different than Kevin McAllister's family, you still have fun,
Speaker 1: you still enjoy, you know, and it's like it's not perfect.
Speaker 1: It's it's different and there's different setbacks that you can
Speaker 1: portray in a movie. But it doesn't need to be
Speaker 1: like sad Violin over. You know, a family that like
Speaker 1: this is their life, and so it would be it
Speaker 1: would be good to see more family movies that don't
Speaker 1: just portray families that are not upper middle class white people.
Speaker 1: But it's also just like portraying this a is like
Speaker 1: this is a normal thing, and like this is like
Speaker 1: families can be very happy. Um, when they're not upper
Speaker 1: middle class white people living at the suburbs of Chicago,
Speaker 1: you know for sure. Um. One thing I'll say that
Speaker 1: I think is a positive for this movie is it's
Speaker 1: an original story that was because I feel like we're
Speaker 1: like in this weird age of movies where like original
Speaker 1: stories getting funding are less and less and less. Everything
Speaker 1: is franchise and all that ship. But this is an
Speaker 1: original story that like Super Super paid off, where this
Speaker 1: movie had an eighteen million dollar budget and it made
Speaker 1: four hundred seventy six million dollars and they I didn't
Speaker 1: realize how huge this movie was when it came out,
Speaker 1: but it's the top grossing movie of nine it out
Speaker 1: earned good fellows. Take that Pesci. Maybe he was right.
Speaker 1: Pesci owned Pesci, you know, like he maybe he was
Speaker 1: right to chew through that finger. How much did Pesci
Speaker 1: make for Home alone? Oh, good question, bault Park. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say, what was the total? Eighteen million? Eighteen million? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Did Pesci make a million? No? That's crazy, that's too
Speaker 1: Oh there's a disagreement, gentlemen. I feel like, well, who's
Speaker 1: the most famous movie person in this movie? At the time.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's Joe p She because he was
Speaker 1: in Raging Ball who came first, and like the names
Speaker 1: that come at the beginning, I can't remember trying to build.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's about for someone. But this is
Speaker 1: like before Katherine O'Hara is super super super famous. I
Speaker 1: think it is. I'm pretty sure she's mainly known for
Speaker 1: SETV at this point. Let's see No, it just says
Speaker 1: Joe Pashi. Okay, this is very cryptic. Joe Pesci has
Speaker 1: earned salaries up to three million, five hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: for his acting. My cousin Vinny was maybe that one. Oh,
Speaker 1: maybe that was a big one for him. I's psychic.
Speaker 1: People also ask whatever happened to Joe? He's in the
Speaker 1: Irishman as we speak. Well, yeah, well, and he just
Speaker 1: released Baby Girl last week. Honey, true waiting up? People
Speaker 1: dropping music right now? Um, you have other movie ease?
Speaker 1: I just have a couple things to say, sure, Um.
Speaker 1: Now the famous scene in Home Alone when Kevin is
Speaker 1: standing in front of the mirror, he's talking to himself.
Speaker 1: He's like, I just took a shower. I washed all
Speaker 1: my crevices. I used actual soap, I used as he
Speaker 1: does he says, did I creep black that out? Because
Speaker 1: he says crevices and I don't like children saying I agree.
Speaker 1: But he's like talking about all the products he's using.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, use soap, an adult formula shampoo, and
Speaker 1: then a cream rinse for that just washed shine. And
Speaker 1: the way to see him, we see him like putting
Speaker 1: on deodorant and then putting on the aftershave and then
Speaker 1: he does that. Ah. That scene very closely resembles the
Speaker 1: scene in American Psycho where Patrick Bateman is like looking
Speaker 1: at the mirror. He's like, and then I used an
Speaker 1: almond scrub, and then I use a facial cleanser that
Speaker 1: doesn't have alcohol because alcohol dize your skin out. And
Speaker 1: then I use a blah blah blah, and and then
Speaker 1: he like peels the mask off his face, and it's
Speaker 1: basically identical. I'm saying that Americans like a ripped off
Speaker 1: home alone can fully agree, thank you so much. And
Speaker 1: then there's a very what I think is a very
Speaker 1: direct reference to Raiders of the Lost Dark when Joe
Speaker 1: Pesci grabs the door when Alfa Millian and the tarantulas.
Speaker 1: But there's I'm talking about a different thing. Uh, when
Speaker 1: Joe Pesci grabs the door knob and then has to
Speaker 1: stick in his burning and he has to stick his
Speaker 1: hand in the snow, and then there's the It's like
Speaker 1: the imprint of the door knob is burned onto his
Speaker 1: hand and the same thing happens to the Nazi in
Speaker 1: Raiders of the Lost Dark. Thank you so much. That
Speaker 1: was really good. Wow, I fully I have a degree
Speaker 1: Instagram writing I I came across a theory, yes that
Speaker 1: Kevin is dead? WHOA wait, the said from earlier? Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: I thought you were about to say Kevin is dead.
Speaker 1: I thought I want to hear that. Okay. So this
Speaker 1: is good and it's actually written by feminist icon Aaron
Speaker 1: Gloria Ryan, I'm a big fan of She wrote this
Speaker 1: piece two years ago. Says Home Alone is so much
Speaker 1: better if Kevin McAllister is dead. It's a hot take,
Speaker 1: but bear with me. I'll read a bit from it.
Speaker 1: I was compelled quote in the Dead Kevin version of
Speaker 1: Home Alone, the reason the extended family has gathered in
Speaker 1: the Winnetka house is that the next day they're going
Speaker 1: to fly to Paris without Kevin so that they can
Speaker 1: get a little piece and quiet. Leaving him home was deliberate.
Speaker 1: No one actually thought Kevin would join them on the
Speaker 1: trip to Paris, because he is a spirit who's tethered
Speaker 1: to the house. Kate McAllister is the only person who
Speaker 1: reacts to forgetting Kevin the way a normal person would
Speaker 1: to forgetting a child. Her husband Peter, is oddly calm,
Speaker 1: as our Aunt Leslie and Uncle Frank, who tried to
Speaker 1: comforicate by telling her that he forgot his reading glasses.
Speaker 1: Kevin has an aversion to both the third floor of
Speaker 1: his house and the basement, where a menacing furnace calls
Speaker 1: his name. It doesn't take a first year Tish student
Speaker 1: to point out that this pair of aversions represent Kevin's
Speaker 1: refusal to leave the physical world of his house and
Speaker 1: ascend or descend heaven or afterlife. What It's Dante's inferno,
Speaker 1: but home alone. It's incredible. Later, as an emboldened Kevin
Speaker 1: attempts to leave the edge of his yard for the
Speaker 1: first time, he is thwarted by old Man Marley, who
Speaker 1: appears practically out of nowhere and scares Kevin back inside
Speaker 1: where he's safe. Marley also appears where Kevin ventures past
Speaker 1: the edge of his yard for the first time the
Speaker 1: next day, as if to scare him back home again.
Speaker 1: On the night the band has planned to rob Kevin's house,
Speaker 1: Marley tries again to keep him safe, trying to teach
Speaker 1: him old man lessons in a church. And it's old
Speaker 1: man Marley who is finally able to fill the bandits
Speaker 1: with his shovel after Kevin leads them through a sea
Speaker 1: areas of hellish physical ordeals. So okay, the theory goes on.
Speaker 1: It also says that Joe Pesci and the other guy
Speaker 1: are immortal, but basically Kevin's a ghost. Marley is his
Speaker 1: protector that already an angel, his angel that is trying
Speaker 1: to get him to stay in the house where he's
Speaker 1: saved and decide to ascend or descend. That's why they
Speaker 1: don't tell anyone anything happened, because no one's going to
Speaker 1: believe a ghost, so there's no point in reporting it.
Speaker 1: But not what it was. Are you sure? Can we
Speaker 1: be sure? I don't think it's real, but I was.
Speaker 1: I was, like, my mouth was a gay. But this
Speaker 1: is insane. It's amazing. I'm glad that someone thought about.
Speaker 1: It's my favorite fan theory I've ever read. Kevin McAllister
Speaker 1: is dead. What if everyone in the movie was dead
Speaker 1: and they were just people dead people come. It's like
Speaker 1: the last episode of Lost or whatever the funk happens
Speaker 1: in that what happens that I took a class on
Speaker 1: that in college? Shut the funk up? Can you believe
Speaker 1: that whole semester a whole semester of some fucking loser
Speaker 1: being like it makes sense? And then I was in
Speaker 1: debt for a decade? Can you believe that I took
Speaker 1: a semester of don Key xote and I just realized
Speaker 1: that you could watch the Yale lecture for free online.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't go to college. It's a scam. Okay,
Speaker 1: I have a master's degree. Anyway, I am in so much.
Speaker 1: Please join our patreon. Um okay, so uh does anyone
Speaker 1: have any final thoughts? No, we had more to say
Speaker 1: than I thought you will, be honest. I thought this
Speaker 1: would finally be the episode where we just sat out
Speaker 1: of here. Like it turns out, we talk a lot.
Speaker 1: It's a feminist masterpiece. I think we have a I
Speaker 1: think we have a few moments for a couple of
Speaker 1: questions or comments from the audience. If anyone has anything
Speaker 1: to contribute to this important discussion that yeah, come on down,
Speaker 1: we can hear you in the in the mic um.
Speaker 1: I would just like to point out that there are
Speaker 1: many adults that failed to realize this kid is like
Speaker 1: walking around by himself. He goes to the grocery store.
Speaker 1: The police are like, oh, we tried, we tried knocking,
Speaker 1: and you know, no one answered, so I guess he's fine.
Speaker 1: It's like he's eighty, you know, he's in there. One
Speaker 1: lady comes close, but she doesn't. She's like, are you
Speaker 1: by yourself? It's when he goes to the supermarket the
Speaker 1: second time he goes to a church. I have expected
Speaker 1: him to talk to Why doesn't Marley church alone? Why
Speaker 1: aren't you a church? Incompetence? Incompetence by all the else,
Speaker 1: he's the most competent one. I think it only makes
Speaker 1: sense that he's dead. I mean, and that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a common theme of like children's movies, where it's
Speaker 1: like the children are so much smarter than the adults.
Speaker 1: And then this movie also plays into the fantasy of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: our families suck and we just want to be home
Speaker 1: alone forever. I'm like, oh, I haven't watched them. We're
Speaker 1: going to cover it tomorrow. Are there any of the questions? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've rewatched it this morning, and um, I just thought
Speaker 1: it was interesting how John Candy offered to like give
Speaker 1: her a ride, and him and his poker band like
Speaker 1: rented a bus, but um, Kate didn't think to rent
Speaker 1: a bus. She just kept buying over. She didn't think
Speaker 1: to like rent a car or anything until like a
Speaker 1: man showed up and was like, no, let me help you.
Speaker 1: That's very true. Good point. Um, all excuse because I
Speaker 1: like Katherine O'Hara so much and the character she plays
Speaker 1: that mom. Sorry, um, I'll excuse that a way of
Speaker 1: just like her being so frantic over this crisis that's
Speaker 1: happening in her family that she isn't like using her
Speaker 1: logical brain as effectively as I would guess that she
Speaker 1: had already bartered all her jewels. She had no nothing
Speaker 1: or maybe nothing left on her too. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but that is that could have that that could have
Speaker 1: easily been an oversight to just be like, well, we
Speaker 1: want John Candy in the most obviously, which was a delight.
Speaker 1: His lines were all improvised. As another fact, if oh interesting,
Speaker 1: I feel like he's playing the same character he plays
Speaker 1: in trains, plans and automobiles. He's just like on that journey,
Speaker 1: he's like, oh yeah, I'll give you a ride. I'm
Speaker 1: on a bus this time van. So that scene, those
Speaker 1: scenes with him are not very long, right, But I
Speaker 1: read in the in the Oral History that I read
Speaker 1: apparently they had a full twelve hours of shooting with him,
Speaker 1: and he fully explored a character. I mean, there was
Speaker 1: a whole Katherine o' harris says in this like Oral
Speaker 1: History interview she was like, yeah, I just remember it's
Speaker 1: a really long day. I think that she improvised flashing
Speaker 1: out her character quite a bit. John Candy created this
Speaker 1: whole narrative for the Polka Band and they were on
Speaker 1: hard times but now they're doing better, but they're not
Speaker 1: as successful as they once were. And it was this
Speaker 1: whole thing. And then at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: Chris Columbus was just like, well that was all basically unusable,
Speaker 1: like kind of like calm down, like you know how
Speaker 1: they just right. I'm like, but they did. It's somewhere,
Speaker 1: maybe somewhere that footage is somewhere to get our hands
Speaker 1: on it. I would love to see a twelve hour cut. Well,
Speaker 1: speaking of twelve hours, that's about how long it takes
Speaker 1: to drive from Scranton, Pennsylvania to Chicago, because I did
Speaker 1: Google map it today. So she was in that same
Speaker 1: way that van for twelve I mean, and it was snowing,
Speaker 1: so maybe they had to go slower. I don't know.
Speaker 1: They stopped for meals properly, bathroom breaks. No, there's no
Speaker 1: peeing in this movie, No, pep. That's a great back around.
Speaker 1: That was a call back to the p Matt to
Speaker 1: TAM's peep pebs. Yes, we have a question in the
Speaker 1: back most all, there's that whole discussion we're in the
Speaker 1: movie about the cousin or the son that went to
Speaker 1: the bed. So your your listeners are gonna be like, no,
Speaker 1: there's peeing in this movie. You just saved us from
Speaker 1: being added to death. Thank you, you guys forgot about
Speaker 1: Kieren Colkins every time. For Karen Golden Peas. That's a
Speaker 1: huge part about this. I love Twitter so much. It
Speaker 1: makes sense. Thank you, Thank you for that. That's a
Speaker 1: great points only one character piece. And Macaulay instead Kevin's dead,
Speaker 1: the Collocums alive and well and calls Catherine a hair
Speaker 1: up mom. Yeah. Any other questions are comments Yeah, well
Speaker 1: go Homer, Yeah, we'll repeat it. So the question is,
Speaker 1: how do you think we can encourage and support more
Speaker 1: diversity in film give opportunities to writers, creators, directors, etcetera,
Speaker 1: any creative minds who have like influence over story and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Um, I think it's like and it's
Speaker 1: a lot of just like demanding it from people who
Speaker 1: have power right now, where I just dumped on Twitter
Speaker 1: because everyone you know will point out pepe things. But
Speaker 1: the great power of of social media is you do
Speaker 1: have like direct connection to powerful people and to let
Speaker 1: them know how you feel. And so like there is
Speaker 1: such a failure of powerful people right now to give opportunities.
Speaker 1: And there's that mentorship complex that I feel like we've
Speaker 1: discussed on the show before, where it's like mentors so
Speaker 1: often are you know, like there's so many like rich
Speaker 1: white guys in power, and they'll mentor people who remind
Speaker 1: them of themselves. And it's just encouraging people who have
Speaker 1: power right now to mentor people who are not just them,
Speaker 1: to prioritize giving opportunities to people from backgrounds that aren't
Speaker 1: their own, and to you know, diversify and conversations like
Speaker 1: this too, because as we're sitting here, I'm like Ship
Speaker 1: thinking of myself as a kid in Argentina watching this.
Speaker 1: It's like there's a story to be told in that.
Speaker 1: I just never thought it was anybody cared, you know,
Speaker 1: So what we do, we care do And then I
Speaker 1: think one of the main things that consumers can do
Speaker 1: because money speaks very loudly in this industry and all industries,
Speaker 1: but um, make sure you go to see movies in
Speaker 1: theaters that are created by and star you know, diverse casts,
Speaker 1: and and look for them too, because they're not marketed
Speaker 1: as heavily as fucking Joker and Ship like that. Don't yeah,
Speaker 1: bravely don't see Joker. That's the way to encourage diversity, No,
Speaker 1: uh no, but I do think it like it is,
Speaker 1: just like it because people from any sort of marginalized group,
Speaker 1: their their movies and projects are not prioritized and marketed
Speaker 1: as heavily as things from you know, the old school,
Speaker 1: rich white guys. It's like you have to seek it
Speaker 1: out and support it and you know, support your friends,
Speaker 1: and it's it's a climb, but it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's getting better slowly slow. Um. Thank you for all
Speaker 1: your questions. That's a great question. Hey, does this movie
Speaker 1: pass the backtel test? No, it does not. There are
Speaker 1: more interactions between women than I expected there to be
Speaker 1: because I remember none of these. But like Kate McAllister
Speaker 1: talks to the French airline lady about trying to get
Speaker 1: on a flight back home, but she is not named,
Speaker 1: and they don't. The whole context is I have to
Speaker 1: get back to my and Irene the old lady that
Speaker 1: she offers all the jewelry to yes, and she is
Speaker 1: named Yes, But the whole thing is still like, my please,
Speaker 1: I must get back to my husband. And then her
Speaker 1: husband comes up and he's like, we're boarding, get on
Speaker 1: the flight, Irene. And then the mom talks to various
Speaker 1: of her daughters and I think it's her sister in law,
Speaker 1: Leslie Um. But again the whole thing is like even
Speaker 1: though the conversations they're passing like passing on paper, versations
Speaker 1: like they don't necessarily mention a man's name, but the
Speaker 1: whole context is still like we have to do these
Speaker 1: things to get back to Kevin So. And then the
Speaker 1: mom talks to the female police officer. But again the
Speaker 1: same thing with a context. So I don't think it passes.
Speaker 1: It's no, it doesn't pass. I had I have to
Speaker 1: say one more thing and then while everyone go home. Okay,
Speaker 1: so one of the sisters, the actor who plays Megan McAlister,
Speaker 1: she goes on to represent the United States in judo
Speaker 1: at the Olympics three times. Good for her, I know.
Speaker 1: I think she actually ends up doing the best. I
Speaker 1: think she ends up doing better than Macaulay Culkin in
Speaker 1: many ways. She's remembered for being a judo champion. I
Speaker 1: just thought that was very impressive. Shout out to her,
Speaker 1: shout out. We'll never do that, We'll never so far
Speaker 1: away from being an Olympic judo Does anyone here think
Speaker 1: they even have a shot? Does anyone do? That's why
Speaker 1: you're not Megan mcallis um, But yeah, yeah, that does
Speaker 1: not pass. Let's write it on our nipple scale zero
Speaker 1: to five nipples based on its representation of women. Oh um, well,
Speaker 1: I do appreciate, But what's the number? I know, I
Speaker 1: always don't say the number for until Yeah. I like
Speaker 1: to give a long prep because she's deciding wh a
Speaker 1: whole long wrung way I'm going to say one and
Speaker 1: a half. I think that's pretty fair. I will also
Speaker 1: say that, and I'm not going to let the audience
Speaker 1: influence me this time because I also do that every
Speaker 1: time where like and I'm like, I'm sorry if women
Speaker 1: don't apologize anymore. I think one and a half because
Speaker 1: the one female character we get to know is while
Speaker 1: we really only know who she is as it relates
Speaker 1: to being a mother, which is a reductive thing. She is,
Speaker 1: I would say, on par and maybe the second most
Speaker 1: active character in the stories. She is driving the mission
Speaker 1: to get home to Kevin. She is not the negligent
Speaker 1: mother that I feel like history has like remembered her,
Speaker 1: as she's got a lot on her plate. It appears,
Speaker 1: even though she'd be more explicit that she may be
Speaker 1: the breadwinner of this family. She's called stomed as the
Speaker 1: breadwinner of the family, and she got way more screen
Speaker 1: time than I thought that, you know, just based on
Speaker 1: the way this movie have been described to me, So
Speaker 1: you know, it's the classic you really only get one
Speaker 1: female character, even though you see others. She's the only
Speaker 1: active female character. But I liked her, and then it's like,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's easy to you know, plug yourself
Speaker 1: into her situation, and she's a very empathetic, active character,
Speaker 1: which I appreciate it. But then there's only men other
Speaker 1: than that one and a half one and a half.
Speaker 1: It's also just an extremely as we've discussed, white movie,
Speaker 1: an extremely upper class movie. It doesn't give a shit
Speaker 1: about anyone who does not fit this like idyllic American
Speaker 1: dream type of family and villainizes the people who are
Speaker 1: trying to eat the rich. So you know, if you
Speaker 1: have a hundred dollars for pizza, Yeah, no, it is.
Speaker 1: It is very of its time in the way is
Speaker 1: that it portrays families and the way that it portrays
Speaker 1: the ideal family, and in sort of every regard. Um, sure, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it a nipple and a half. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give one to Catherine O'Hara, and then we give
Speaker 1: half to Kevin because he's dead. Oh, I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: my one and a half nipple to the tarantula. Tarantula's
Speaker 1: do have zero nipples, but they have eight legs, and
Speaker 1: that's tarantula facts. With Caitlin, I love it. Dam What
Speaker 1: do you think I'm gonna give it two nipples because
Speaker 1: I have two nipples. All right, that's the entire reasoning.
Speaker 1: That's the best reasoning I've ever heard. You pee on
Speaker 1: your floor and you have two nipples. What if we
Speaker 1: were like this episode has been brought to you by
Speaker 1: baby Girl by today, I think maybe we can bump
Speaker 1: it up to two dipples, just strictly because did he
Speaker 1: name his song baby boy? Feminist icono is prioritizing the
Speaker 1: representation of women, that's true, but he's also infantilizing them.
Speaker 1: So that's not what he could be thinking about a baby.
Speaker 1: That's true. We can't understand that. It's impossible to know
Speaker 1: what he's saying. Oh he's Scooby doing. We don't know
Speaker 1: what he's saying. Yeah. True. I hope everyone goes home
Speaker 1: and listen I write it. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: that gift, because I didn't. It was his first release
Speaker 1: in twenty three years to right now you know, yes,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for sharing that and thank you
Speaker 1: for being give it up for tim Thank you, Thank
Speaker 1: you guys for having me. Where can people follow you online?
Speaker 1: Check out your stuff? Find me on my not job.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just kidding. Um. I have a podcast
Speaker 1: called Ceriso Talk where me and my sister talk about
Speaker 1: our life as kids and now, and we eat a sausage,
Speaker 1: a different one every time, except we forget the sausage
Speaker 1: every time. So that's just the yeah. Um, And I'm
Speaker 1: online at Dances with Dammy's the worst fucking Twitter name ever.
Speaker 1: But it's a classic classic based off of Dances with
Speaker 1: Wolf Spike Kevin Costner, which I've never seen. Oh, it's
Speaker 1: very long and quite boring. Thank you so much for
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