Speaker 1: On the be Dol cast. The questions asked if movies
Speaker 1: have women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends
Speaker 1: and husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef
Speaker 1: in best start changing it with the beck Del cast
Speaker 1: and they all said, oh, I was about so covers
Speaker 1: up cast? Do do do? No? Judi dench Um. Well
Speaker 1: here we are welcome to the Bechtel cast or is
Speaker 1: it the beck Dol Cats? So we're talking about cats
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, the famously bad Tom Hooper joint, Tom Hooper,
Speaker 1: don't listen to her. We liked it. This actually works
Speaker 1: out great, Caitlin, because you've been waiting for a movie
Speaker 1: like this to come along for so long. The cat facts,
Speaker 1: the cat the cat fact with Caitlin, what the cat facs?
Speaker 1: I don't know what you mean. I've never heard this before.
Speaker 1: You're talking about But if I said something about the
Speaker 1: same fact every time, that's the joke. She does the
Speaker 1: same fact every time. I think hundreds of times at
Speaker 1: this right, I would remember that. Okay, guys, I'm joking,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, wow, But yes, you're right, um. The
Speaker 1: most important cat fact in the world is that cats
Speaker 1: have eight nipples and that's cat facts with Caitlin. I
Speaker 1: love to hear it. It's music to my ears. Um,
Speaker 1: my name is Jamie Longs, my name's Cats Cat Cat
Speaker 1: Cat durand I'm Jamie, Jamie, Jamie Jim. Oh. We don't
Speaker 1: have to be thrilled about that, but it's true. Um,
Speaker 1: this is the Veteal Cast. This is our movie podcast
Speaker 1: about the portrayal of women in film. Yes, for this episode,
Speaker 1: it will be about the portrayal of female coded cats.
Speaker 1: The cats gender each other. I mean we just have
Speaker 1: to kind of take the cat's words for it. We
Speaker 1: don't see any junk to Jason Derulo's dismay. Klen I
Speaker 1: went to a holiday party at Madame Tussod's, which, first
Speaker 1: of all, I don't even think that it's a brag.
Speaker 1: I think that that's just kind of unfortunate. Um. But
Speaker 1: and Jason Drulo has a prominently displayed wax figure and
Speaker 1: he they do not take his bulge out at the
Speaker 1: wax Museum. It's there. It's to the left, and and
Speaker 1: his wax figure is mid jump. I don't know what
Speaker 1: he's jumping towards. I don't know what it's a reference to.
Speaker 1: He's jumping towards his role in Cats. Jason Derulo is
Speaker 1: famously obsessed with his own penis and it really it
Speaker 1: really comes alive and the Madam two sides, so that
Speaker 1: this is that that that's a paid advertisements in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: You gotta check it out. Jason Drulis Dick is huge there, right,
Speaker 1: and that did not pass the Bechdel tests? But why
Speaker 1: what does the Bedel test? Well, gee whiz, I'm glad
Speaker 1: you asked um. It is a media metric created by
Speaker 1: cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes called the Bechdel Wallace test, in
Speaker 1: which two female identifying characters or cat ticktors. Now you're right,
Speaker 1: you're right. They must have jelical names, and they must
Speaker 1: me out to each other about and it can't be
Speaker 1: about rum Tum Tugger or Gus the theater cat or
Speaker 1: Mr Mustaphili even if you want to talk, and and
Speaker 1: it can't even be about Skimble Shanks. And most movies
Speaker 1: can't get through a conversation without bringing up Skimble Shanks.
Speaker 1: The real life. It's a huge problem facing Hollywood today.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's internalized misogyny, but skimble Shanks
Speaker 1: is my top cat. I know, I know the optics
Speaker 1: are bad, but Skimble the rail way cat, I can't
Speaker 1: resist him. I've seen the movie now in theaters three times,
Speaker 1: same together, once together at once. The second time I
Speaker 1: saw it was with a big group of mostly comedians, um.
Speaker 1: And one of them was friend of the cast, Daniel
Speaker 1: Radford of the Cats. Friend, I'm so sorry, friend of
Speaker 1: the Cats. She was our guest on the Fifth Element episode. UM,
Speaker 1: and I just wanted her to share her her takes
Speaker 1: on the film Cats. So I we recorded a little,
Speaker 1: just a little sound clips from her side, and uh,
Speaker 1: let's let's play that now. I'm here with Daniel Radford.
Speaker 1: She was our guest on the Fifth Element episode and
Speaker 1: we just saw Cats together, and uh, here are Danielle's takes.
Speaker 1: First of all, this is now made it into my
Speaker 1: top five bad movies. I love it so much. I
Speaker 1: did cry. I laughed at all the wrong parts. Hey,
Speaker 1: all of these actors reserved better. Beat that aggressive gray
Speaker 1: cat who thinks he's in charge. Needs to stop coming
Speaker 1: at me so much. Um, Judy Dench looks like it
Speaker 1: looks like the cowardly lion, and I cannot unsee it. Um.
Speaker 1: Francesco the Ballet was great, But why did they sweeten
Speaker 1: her audio and they didn't sweeten Tata's audio? Um, I
Speaker 1: have a conspiracy theory. I will not announce it. Um.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what else? Um? Cats is literally I'm
Speaker 1: going to watch this um every Christmas. This is going
Speaker 1: to be my Christmas story. Oh. Also, I didn't believe
Speaker 1: it was going to be as horny as it was.
Speaker 1: It was so so so horny. Like literally, it's a
Speaker 1: shame that they had to like photoshop at all the
Speaker 1: dicks because because Victoria was looking forward dick um like
Speaker 1: Mr Mrs dig especially. Yeah, they were really I I did.
Speaker 1: I cried. I cried a whole bunch and I laughed
Speaker 1: a whole bunch because it's really ridiculous. This is one
Speaker 1: of those movies where in every bad movie, there is
Speaker 1: one actor who knows what movie they're in exactly. It
Speaker 1: just Elma knows exactly what movie he's in. He knows exactly.
Speaker 1: There's no point where he just goes and then disappears.
Speaker 1: He goes, he knows what movies he's in, and he's
Speaker 1: having the greatest of times, and God bless him and
Speaker 1: God bless America. Also, Um, you didn't have to do
Speaker 1: that accent, babe, Oh yeah, that song is actually not
Speaker 1: really done in an accent. And then like you don't
Speaker 1: have to do that. And also there's just like way
Speaker 1: too many members of like this, like dames and surs
Speaker 1: in this. Just everything, this entire cast deserved better, and
Speaker 1: they all acted. Jennifer Hudson acted her ass off in this,
Speaker 1: and like she clearly goes to the Viola Davis school
Speaker 1: of acting. Words just sucking snut running down your face
Speaker 1: and I get it, um, But also like no one
Speaker 1: told you, who told you to act this hard? And
Speaker 1: the disappearing and reappearing of shoes on people and the disappearing,
Speaker 1: reappearing hands. I think we saw the cut before they
Speaker 1: sweetened it, um and fixed it, and I'm so glad
Speaker 1: we did. And I think those are my takes. I
Speaker 1: can really talk about cats for an hour, and I
Speaker 1: probably will when Screen Junkies comes back from break. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Danielle um okay, thanks thanks Thanelle. A friend of the
Speaker 1: cast and a friend of the cats. Indeed indeed and
Speaker 1: icon um well of let's get into it our guest today.
Speaker 1: She is an animal expert. She is pro bird rights
Speaker 1: on Twitter. She's host of Creature Feature Podcast. It's Katie Golden. Hey,
Speaker 1: there are you guys coming into Hard? I've got a
Speaker 1: I got a cold. I watched damn It. Yeah, coming
Speaker 1: to see see what I mean. I'm coming into twenty
Speaker 1: twenty so hard. I just jumped back a whole year.
Speaker 1: Yeah so UM. For those of you who don't know me,
Speaker 1: my voice doesn't normally sound so beautifully low and and
Speaker 1: gritty like an action hero. I'm a little I like it, husky,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's really nice. I actually like it better
Speaker 1: than my normal voice because now I can like say
Speaker 1: things like darling that just is not working for you. Um.
Speaker 1: And I spent my time being sick by watching cats,
Speaker 1: um and sinking a about them and the detail on
Speaker 1: their hairy bodies. Before we really jump into it, gals,
Speaker 1: which cat do you most identify this? You know, Jamie,
Speaker 1: that's a really good question. I think it's something that
Speaker 1: we all have to confront. It's the same. It's it's
Speaker 1: the Sex and the City quiz of our Which cat
Speaker 1: from cats are you? I feel like I'm exposition cat. Oh,
Speaker 1: you're the the one that no one knows because they're like,
Speaker 1: you're like, what is his name? He talks so much,
Speaker 1: talks a lot, but he doesn't even like every cat
Speaker 1: gets an introduction song except for him. I can see
Speaker 1: it's that guy. Yeah, yeah, I'm the cat that cannot
Speaker 1: be ignored. That's I'm a Skimble shanks. I love Skimble.
Speaker 1: He's my favorite part. I've been listening to the sound drag.
Speaker 1: I like that he has these tight, tight, impossibly tight
Speaker 1: overalls because they had they had a chance to not
Speaker 1: show us one of the male cat's packages, and they're like,
Speaker 1: you know what, No, We're going to you the brave
Speaker 1: choice and give him skin tight overalls, which is weird
Speaker 1: because they deny drul Oh. But then they give it
Speaker 1: to Skimble. We can see a little bit, we can
Speaker 1: and also like his his butt is just like two
Speaker 1: eggs in a handkerchief. Eggs and a handkerchief that will
Speaker 1: hunt me until I die. You're welcome. You can kind
Speaker 1: of tell this movie is made up of famous people
Speaker 1: and professional ballerinas and the divide whenever you don't know
Speaker 1: who it is, it's a famous ballet dancer basically, or
Speaker 1: dancer in general, because Skimball is a dancer. He's a
Speaker 1: tap boy, he's a he's a he's a tapper um.
Speaker 1: And then you've got Francesca Hayward who's like one of
Speaker 1: the main dancers, a principal dancer in the Royal Ballet
Speaker 1: and London. And then yeah, whenever you don't know who
Speaker 1: it is, it's just it's a it's a European dancer.
Speaker 1: That's just it's just the rule. Except for Mr must Files.
Speaker 1: He's just some guy that I think is hot. And
Speaker 1: he spent half of the movie near tears, which I
Speaker 1: thought it was an honorable acting job, but also kind
Speaker 1: of like it really also represented the audience. I felt
Speaker 1: like he was sort of the you know, the what
Speaker 1: is it like when you're it's like the self insert character?
Speaker 1: Oh just see like the avatar that you're paying and
Speaker 1: I know where it's that's supposed to be Victoria the
Speaker 1: cat because she has no personality, but I'm most I
Speaker 1: guess that's the cat I most identified with is because
Speaker 1: he was near tears the whole time. Mr m And
Speaker 1: he has a good I want to make my cat
Speaker 1: a jacket like that. That's good. He's got a good jacket.
Speaker 1: I would actually kind of like that jacket for myself.
Speaker 1: I do it. He's got he's got one of my
Speaker 1: favorite songs. I think that's my favorite. Which one is?
Speaker 1: Is that my career is? I got rum Tom Tugger
Speaker 1: is also up there in terms of I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a curious cat. I would that in general, to get
Speaker 1: into the gender discussion right off the bat, the songs
Speaker 1: are generally better for the male cats or that that's subjective.
Speaker 1: And of course Jennifer Hudson gets memory the classic. True,
Speaker 1: but I think that that's like the only for me.
Speaker 1: We don't hardly get to know any female cats at all.
Speaker 1: Most there's Jenny, any dots, there's Jenny, and there's Victoria,
Speaker 1: who like I think, Okay, well, I guess if we're
Speaker 1: breaking it down, the male cats that we get to
Speaker 1: know are bust for Jones, Rumtum Tugger, he's curious male cats.
Speaker 1: By here, here's my my animal knowledge chiming in here.
Speaker 1: Male cats are called Tom's Tom's okay, and neutered female
Speaker 1: cats are called queens. I love it. Sorry, not not unter. Sorry,
Speaker 1: unneutered is males unspaced? Okay? So would you say you
Speaker 1: have some cat facts, then those are well, those that's
Speaker 1: it though, those are these are the only cat pacts
Speaker 1: you get if you have any questions about the accuracy
Speaker 1: of the cats in the movie. Um, but should cats
Speaker 1: be wearing suits and have human penis bulges? Well, just
Speaker 1: in your professional opinion, human penis bulges, Well no, I
Speaker 1: mean the problem with the penis bulges is they're not
Speaker 1: barbed enough, like they're not spiking enough. That's the problem
Speaker 1: is that if you're gonna so the cats penis is
Speaker 1: sheathed normally. So that's why you don't see cats bounding
Speaker 1: around with big flopping wieners hanging out their sheet. Um,
Speaker 1: and that means they they're sort of retractable thing. And
Speaker 1: but once when the cat penis is unsheathed, when they
Speaker 1: have drawn their penis as for a duel, Um drawn
Speaker 1: my penis like one of your French girls drama penis
Speaker 1: like one of your fresh gills, and um, it is
Speaker 1: covered in little barbs and uh, they're very weird looking.
Speaker 1: They're kind of cool. Um. And the cat mating thing
Speaker 1: is is a whole trip. I don't know how detail
Speaker 1: do you want. I mean, we'll get to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we can get into that later. But to get to
Speaker 1: just for the breakdown of how many male songs versus female.
Speaker 1: James Cordon gets a song, Jason Derulo gets a song
Speaker 1: you just held, but does not get his own song.
Speaker 1: Mcavity doesn't get his own song. I would say that
Speaker 1: that's more Taylor Swift song. Ian mcellan gets his own song.
Speaker 1: That's three. Mr Mustafs gets his own song. Monku Strap
Speaker 1: who is position cat, and then Uh Skimble shanks there
Speaker 1: up to six. We've got Mungo Jerry shares a song
Speaker 1: with Rumpled t so, uh, they're the most boring cats famously.
Speaker 1: And there's Growl Tiger who gets a short and bad song.
Speaker 1: Is he the barge cat? Yeah, he's he's the boat cat.
Speaker 1: So we've got we've got eight male cats songs. And
Speaker 1: then for the female cats, we've got Judy Dench has
Speaker 1: a song. Jennifer Hudson of course has a song that
Speaker 1: she sings arguably five hundred times. Taylor Swift has a
Speaker 1: song for Tusca Hayward who's Victoria, has a song, and
Speaker 1: and you have Rumble Teaser gets together. So it's like
Speaker 1: it's sumal Teazer gets point half of us half. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's seven and a half male, four and a
Speaker 1: half female. Okay, Yeah, So not it's not. Oh oh,
Speaker 1: did I say Rebel Wilson? I did say rebels. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you do. Maybe it's five sorry,
Speaker 1: Judy Dench, Jennifer Hudson, Taylor Swift, Rebel Wilson, Frances so
Speaker 1: five and a half versus seven and a half. It's
Speaker 1: basically like a real world um income disparity, right right right. Anyway,
Speaker 1: here's the thing is, they played around with gender a
Speaker 1: little bit by making old old dute Judy Dench isn't
Speaker 1: old Dute typically a male in the Broadway productions. Yes, um,
Speaker 1: I did some WICKI PDA research and read that the
Speaker 1: role of Old Deuteronomy was first played I believe by
Speaker 1: Brian Blessed or blessed or blessed uh some pronunciation um,
Speaker 1: And that was in the West End in the early eighties.
Speaker 1: Then the character was played by Ken Page on Broadway
Speaker 1: in two, and then also played by an actor named
Speaker 1: Quentin Earl Darrington when the Broadway production was revived in
Speaker 1: So it seems like historically Deuteronomy has been played by
Speaker 1: mostly male actors, and we can we can touch more
Speaker 1: on that a little later on. We need to take
Speaker 1: a break, We need to take a little cat nap,
Speaker 1: but then we'll be right back. Now it's time for
Speaker 1: the recap or is it the recat? It's three cats,
Speaker 1: the recats, the recats of the cats of the Cats movie.
Speaker 1: Here to say this property has a story is being generous,
Speaker 1: but I will do my best. I think it's like
Speaker 1: more of a like, it's just it's more of a
Speaker 1: listical then it is a kind of ahead of its
Speaker 1: time in that regard. True BuzzFeed Home Cats is allistical.
Speaker 1: Ten Okay, what would you call if cats were realistical?
Speaker 1: What would you call it? Oh? My gosh, these ten cats,
Speaker 1: ten essential cats for ten cats that will make you scream, Yes,
Speaker 1: for a disease. Eight will scare you, alright because you
Speaker 1: got to have that like click baby. Yeah. Number eight
Speaker 1: will shock you and that's you just elbow when he
Speaker 1: gets naked. Cat. Um. I just retweeted a tweet from
Speaker 1: at the Patrick Walsh that I thought was really funny.
Speaker 1: Uh he said that, Um, not sure why cats didn't work.
Speaker 1: It follows a classic three X structure. Act one, cats
Speaker 1: introduce themselves. Act two, cats continue to introduce themselves. Act
Speaker 1: three unclear, which just about sums up the story. But
Speaker 1: there's definitely movies that are worse offenders of continuing to
Speaker 1: introduce characters like two thirds into the movie. I mean,
Speaker 1: we'll sometimes that makes sense for the story with catch
Speaker 1: Nick Jonah shows up late. Well, that's a twist, that's
Speaker 1: an important is an important reveal. I know that after
Speaker 1: he's turned into dust, we never really see him again.
Speaker 1: Sky Skimble, Okay, here's the cats. A cat gets abandoned
Speaker 1: by a mean human and dumped onto the mean streets
Speaker 1: of London. Jump in with some music to that thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Um. Then a bunch of other
Speaker 1: cats approach her. We find out her name is Victoria eventually,
Speaker 1: and they're all singing about jelical cats. That's who they are.
Speaker 1: That's a club. Who they are. They're in the gelical
Speaker 1: Cat Club. What is a jelical cat? What makes you
Speaker 1: eligible to be a jelical cat? What are the characteristics
Speaker 1: of a jelical cat? We still don't know. By the
Speaker 1: end of the movie, they give you many examples. Romantical cats,
Speaker 1: pedantical cats, critical cats, parasitical cats, allegorical cats, metaphorical cats,
Speaker 1: statistical cats, mystical cats, political cats, hypocritical cats. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of different kinds of cats. I really don't think
Speaker 1: they could have explained themselves. And they're all jellical cats.
Speaker 1: They're all jelical cats. They're kind of just ntrue wid
Speaker 1: webber or or ts eliot. Uh, just whipped out a thesaurus,
Speaker 1: thunked it down. They're like, let's fucking do this everything cats,
Speaker 1: hysterical cats, eric the oratorical cats, delfic oracle cats, practical cats,
Speaker 1: dramatical cats. I can honestly listen to you do that
Speaker 1: all day, Jamie. This is my state of the Union scheme.
Speaker 1: Thank you. All right, So I'm so sorry. We do
Speaker 1: know what a jelical cat is. They call you become one.
Speaker 1: How you're eligible to become How you can't have a
Speaker 1: butt hole? Like that's the number one rule. You cannot
Speaker 1: if you don't have if you you don't have a
Speaker 1: butt hole, good news, you're yeah, where are these cats pooping?
Speaker 1: There's a litter box in London on the streets. The
Speaker 1: only way that this movie could have been worse is
Speaker 1: if we saw one of the cats poop. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: did you say worse? I would I would be so happy.
Speaker 1: I love it so much so, but the idea of
Speaker 1: the jelical cats is they're basically like a group of
Speaker 1: goth teenagers, right, They're just like a group of friends
Speaker 1: that all want to die like that's and then they
Speaker 1: have some like matriarch that's like I decide who gets
Speaker 1: to die, and so like it's sort of like the
Speaker 1: mid Summer thing where it's like, you know, we have
Speaker 1: this ritual, someone dies and we all dance and kind
Speaker 1: of rub up against each other. Yeah. Yeah, interesting. Why
Speaker 1: wasn't Midsummer more like cats? I would have I would
Speaker 1: have loved a little cat's energy in midsummer, just just
Speaker 1: hairy bodies, not as throwing. A couple of songs, and
Speaker 1: there are a lot of songs and a lot of
Speaker 1: them are about jellical cats. And I still don't know
Speaker 1: what they are. Okay, they tell you a lot of
Speaker 1: different types of cats, but I don't think that they're
Speaker 1: implying that those cats are there. I don't think the
Speaker 1: political cat is there. I don't think that skeptical cat
Speaker 1: is there. And I think they're just alluding to past.
Speaker 1: Maybe they've they're just ones that have been sent to
Speaker 1: the heavy side. Layers could be yes, right, So jelical
Speaker 1: cats um and then there's Exposition Cat. He's one of
Speaker 1: the cats that you're like, oh, he's sexy underneath all that, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: like because he does look like more man than cat,
Speaker 1: look more cat than person. He excws a little more
Speaker 1: person than cat. Right. Mr mustaffs that actor looks like
Speaker 1: a cat. Yeah, and he's my crush now, he's my
Speaker 1: new crush. Lori Davidson. Sure, okay, so this is but
Speaker 1: Exposition Cat. He's like, here, Victoria, let me show you around.
Speaker 1: So we meet, we see some cats, and then we
Speaker 1: meet Idris elba cat okat And then what ends up
Speaker 1: happening is that mccavity starts, uh just magically poof disappearing
Speaker 1: the jelical cats and they end up on a barge
Speaker 1: because he wants to be he's eliminating his competition. But
Speaker 1: he does things. But but in the I don't remember
Speaker 1: how it happens in the musical. I've never seen a
Speaker 1: professional production, so I've only seen mccavity just guide the
Speaker 1: cat off stage to say I've got you. But Idris
Speaker 1: Elba vapor turn them to death. He turns them into dust,
Speaker 1: and he says things. He says a little catchphrase before
Speaker 1: he does things like or one time he just goes
Speaker 1: tell me later he says his own name. He's like,
Speaker 1: he's just always giving it, and I think he like
Speaker 1: his performance is incredible, if only it weren't so hard
Speaker 1: to watch. I think that's a common theme, like everyone
Speaker 1: was giving it, they're all, but they just they didn't
Speaker 1: know it was in the context of something that they
Speaker 1: should not have tried hard at. I want to I
Speaker 1: wonder how he felt when he saw how because it's
Speaker 1: like none of these people could have known what they
Speaker 1: were going to look like when it's over. They simply
Speaker 1: had no way of knowing. And so how did he
Speaker 1: feel when they're like, do you like this? This is
Speaker 1: what we did? And like it's kind of too late
Speaker 1: to say anything, because I guess that they finished editing
Speaker 1: in this movie the day it came out, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: so even if Idris Elba had notes, they're like, thanks
Speaker 1: for sharing. Anyways, it's out. Yeah. I have to imagine
Speaker 1: that most of the cast were not necessarily thrilled with
Speaker 1: the renderings of the cats. That's an anagram of cast
Speaker 1: cats cats of cats, well like Bechtel cast. And then
Speaker 1: I said Bechtel cats exactly exactly now, we're talking great. Okay,
Speaker 1: So mccavity, the thing about him is that he's bad.
Speaker 1: He's a bad cat, and they and I guess that
Speaker 1: this was like part of the intended original text of T. S.
Speaker 1: Eliott as well. But he's based on what's his name is,
Speaker 1: Sherlock Villain? Oh, Moriarty, Moriarty to the point where in
Speaker 1: the movie there's that poster that says Moriarty and then
Speaker 1: mcavity is standing on top of it and he goes
Speaker 1: and then it says mcaley and we're like, I get it. No,
Speaker 1: I understood at the beginning. Yeah, so I guess that T. S.
Speaker 1: Eliott was both the racist, misogynist, classist anti semite who
Speaker 1: loved Sherlock Holmes as well. Okay, so there you go.
Speaker 1: There you have it. Mcavity, mccavity, he's bad. But then
Speaker 1: we meet Mr Mustapholes and he's good, good, he's so cute.
Speaker 1: He's cute, he's cute. He's got a crush. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: got a crush Ontle Victoria Matt he's cute. If she
Speaker 1: drops something, he's like, here it is. That's very attentive
Speaker 1: to her needs. And then we find out about another
Speaker 1: cat who we won't meet yet, but we we learn
Speaker 1: about old Deuteronomy and she she's throwing she every I
Speaker 1: guess every year. Is this an annual thing, Yes, the
Speaker 1: jellical ball, in which she will make the jellical choice
Speaker 1: about which jellical cat she will select to be reborn
Speaker 1: into a new life and go to a place called
Speaker 1: the heavy Side Layer, which is heavy. So this is
Speaker 1: the movie about cats that want to die, yes, and
Speaker 1: go to heaven with the assumption that they'll come back
Speaker 1: to life, which in so far we don't hear that
Speaker 1: the cats confirming. And then she came back. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: seems like maybe they might just well, they wouldn't I
Speaker 1: guess they wouldn't go back to like the mean streets
Speaker 1: of London. They would just shot somewhere else, like yeah,
Speaker 1: and like a rich person's house, like a fancy feast,
Speaker 1: Like the cupboards are full of fancy feats. So they're like,
Speaker 1: you won't be reincarnated as a jelical So we're kind
Speaker 1: of not worried. We're just assuming things in the fall again,
Speaker 1: what is a jelical cat? What those ones? Okay, those
Speaker 1: one But we're like, okay, so we're jumping ahead here.
Speaker 1: But at the end, Judy Dench cat is like Victoria,
Speaker 1: you really are a jelical cat, And it's like, well
Speaker 1: what about her? That just means that she's been hanging
Speaker 1: out with them for six hours and hasn't gotten killed.
Speaker 1: Like is that it? Also, do they hang out every day?
Speaker 1: Seem like they live together. Well, some some of the
Speaker 1: jelical cats seem to be like street cats. But then
Speaker 1: you've got Jenny any Dots, who like seems to live
Speaker 1: in like a cushy life in a house. But then
Speaker 1: she I think like she kind of has this double
Speaker 1: life where sometimes she she ventures out is out is out?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't an indoor outdoor cat. It seems
Speaker 1: like Busta for Jones is kind of in and out
Speaker 1: of homes as well. I don't know she's intruding or
Speaker 1: if he's like just a row. Sometimes people just have
Speaker 1: like a cat that isn't theirs, but it comes over.
Speaker 1: My friend Martha has a cat that's not actually her cat,
Speaker 1: but it hangs out in her house all the time.
Speaker 1: That's really nice. That's really nice. So anyway, what's the
Speaker 1: story so old Deuteronomy? She's gonna make a jellical choice,
Speaker 1: and I guess now that's the plot. We meet Rebel
Speaker 1: Wilson cat Jenny any Dots. She is one of the
Speaker 1: jelical cat, vying to be the jelical choice. She sings
Speaker 1: a song, she's like a sadest like torturing mice, Perkeley
Speaker 1: cockroaches that she eats. It's a lot. And I don't
Speaker 1: know how like faithful this is to the source material,
Speaker 1: but I did really resent sort of how Rebel Wilson
Speaker 1: and James Corden are just like it seems like most
Speaker 1: of their direction is like, all right, so you're fat,
Speaker 1: and that's hilarious, and then that was restlessly fat shame
Speaker 1: throughout and it's just it's just it's an insulting it's
Speaker 1: insulting to the actors. It's insulting to the audience as well.
Speaker 1: It's just insulting the conversation to be had about that.
Speaker 1: What what a mess. Then we meet Jason Derulo cat
Speaker 1: a k rama is cat. He commits, he commits, and
Speaker 1: he's a great job. He okay, Jason Derulo is doing
Speaker 1: an Idris Elba impression the whole movie. Um. And then
Speaker 1: things get very dramatic all of a sudden because Jennifer
Speaker 1: Hudson cat shows up. Her name is Grizabella, and she
Speaker 1: used to be a nice cat who everyone liked, but
Speaker 1: then she got involved with Macavity in some capacity and
Speaker 1: it's not clear what, but I would assume in a
Speaker 1: Taylor Swifty kind of just like she assists him in
Speaker 1: committing crimes. Is not not there someone check on Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift's lungs. But the other cats have kind of turned
Speaker 1: their backs on her, and it seems a little correct,
Speaker 1: man if you disagree, but it seems like it's maybe
Speaker 1: a little gender the way they position it. It always
Speaker 1: seems like the female identified cats are more viscerally angry
Speaker 1: with Grizabella than male cats. Everyone doesn't like her, but
Speaker 1: there's like, I think two or three female cats that
Speaker 1: we see, like after her two or three times, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like, this is woman on woman violence, and
Speaker 1: we don't I agree with cutting women against each other.
Speaker 1: They're pretty antagonistic towards Victoria too, because in a scene
Speaker 1: that arguably passes the Bechdel test. Although I don't know
Speaker 1: if we ever learned those cats names, one of them
Speaker 1: is like, what's your name? In Victoria's like, but she
Speaker 1: doesn't respond. Right away, and then she's like, well, cat
Speaker 1: call your tongue, right, they're a little antagonistic towards other women,
Speaker 1: and you're like, um, excuse me, female cats supporting female cats,
Speaker 1: which we later see with Victoria and Grizabella saying goodness, goods,
Speaker 1: but there is they do. They do have that little
Speaker 1: gendered woman. That's true to mean, female cats are the
Speaker 1: like the most ordery, like you know, one eyed, you know,
Speaker 1: fighting ears, nibbled off cats tend to be females. And
Speaker 1: it's the barge cat to me. And this is no
Speaker 1: no shade on the actor who played the barge cat
Speaker 1: to me, I would have loved that role to have
Speaker 1: been played by my childhood cat, Mittens because she was
Speaker 1: a um, indomitable grump, total grouch and could just steamroll
Speaker 1: anything in her path. She was, to use a someone
Speaker 1: antiquated a little bit sexist term, she was a battle axe. Okay, alright, Um,
Speaker 1: So after Grizabella SLINKs away, although like Victoria is curious,
Speaker 1: she's like, who's that? What's her deal? Yeah? Victoria is
Speaker 1: like what's going on there? And no one oppresent the explanation,
Speaker 1: and then you cut to Jennifer Hudson, who as you said,
Speaker 1: thinks maybe she might be winning an oscar for this,
Speaker 1: and she's oh, she's crawling away on all four cross cats,
Speaker 1: looking over her shoulder, tears streaming down her face, and
Speaker 1: You're like, they didn't even finish the CG on her.
Speaker 1: This this just like this looks. This looks it's a lot.
Speaker 1: It is a lot, but I love it. And she leaves,
Speaker 1: and who appears but James Cordon cat Busta for Jones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he basically knows the movie he's in. I think so,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that song. But he seems to
Speaker 1: basically he's like a musical theater guy, so it kind
Speaker 1: of makes sense that he's like, well, this movie isn't
Speaker 1: going to be good, but I'll be in it, right.
Speaker 1: And then mccavity makes Jenny any Dots and bust Of
Speaker 1: for Jones disappeared. What's your favorite my I think one
Speaker 1: of my my favorite mccavity, well, I guess Skimble is
Speaker 1: my favorite cat disappearing because he just likes twirling up
Speaker 1: into the areas song. But Jenny any Dots being turned
Speaker 1: into dust is pretty funny too, because he like beckonser
Speaker 1: over and she's in her she did that thing where
Speaker 1: she unzipped her suit and then but then he's like,
Speaker 1: your name should be in lots and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm really good, and he's like, yeah, your
Speaker 1: face should be on posters and that he points to
Speaker 1: his own wanted bust. Yes, it is. It makes no
Speaker 1: sense that the cats don't know who he is or
Speaker 1: to look out for him, because they know who he
Speaker 1: is and they, I know, everyone seems to know who
Speaker 1: mccavity is and that he's bad. But then suddenly when
Speaker 1: they come face to face with him, they're like, is
Speaker 1: this nice cat? It doesn't make I'm like, is that
Speaker 1: maybe a part of the magic? He's like Jedi mind
Speaker 1: tricking them or some could be. That's the only way
Speaker 1: it can make sense to me, because otherwise their animosity
Speaker 1: towards Grizabella doesn't make any sense because they're only magic
Speaker 1: Grizabella because of her association with mcavity, who they must
Speaker 1: hate enough to know what he looks like, especially because
Speaker 1: he's around. He shows up quite a bit between there
Speaker 1: and his bar and the posters of his face all
Speaker 1: over the point your face should be on a post
Speaker 1: and then she looks at it and then it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's who you are. And then he goes and then
Speaker 1: she vanishes, and then she turns into dust and reappears
Speaker 1: on Yes, so I guess he's also a jelical cat,
Speaker 1: which like, how is he eligible to be a jelical cat?
Speaker 1: But he's rounding up his competitors because he wants to
Speaker 1: be chosen to be reborn. Well, that's another gender thing
Speaker 1: where you're like, oh, I guess that it does make sense.
Speaker 1: It old Deuteronomy is originally a male cat, and this
Speaker 1: in the original production, it's a patriarchy, because that would
Speaker 1: explain why Grizabella got tossed out of the jelical cast.
Speaker 1: But for some reason, the Cavity can stay even though
Speaker 1: he's the actual source of the problem. But Grizabella has
Speaker 1: been extradited from Jelicles even though like it was just
Speaker 1: her association to this guy who's still a jelical I'm
Speaker 1: sure that someone smarter than me can be Like, it's
Speaker 1: like an American politics when blah blah blah, it's that right.
Speaker 1: It's that she's kind of been lewinskied basically, which means
Speaker 1: that she's going to find have a second act on
Speaker 1: social media Grizabella is going to be like, stop the bullying,
Speaker 1: and we can't wait for it. I can't wait for it?
Speaker 1: Is it that old Deuteronomy is has the final say?
Speaker 1: And who gets she seems to be able to like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's like knighting them and being like you're a jelical cat.
Speaker 1: You're not anymore? Like why can't she doesn't seem yeah,
Speaker 1: take away mccavity's jelical status. She seems kind of powerless
Speaker 1: to do it, which is kind of confused, and he
Speaker 1: then he sends her on the plank later spoilers the plank.
Speaker 1: Also the barge has a plank, of course it does. Okay,
Speaker 1: So then Victoria meets to cat Burglars, Rumble Teaser and
Speaker 1: Mungo Jerry and might I say the boring ones, the
Speaker 1: ones I don't care about boring? Yeah, And they're nefarious
Speaker 1: because they take her into this nice house and steal
Speaker 1: a bunch of jewelry and then leave without her, and
Speaker 1: she's like kind of stuck on something and Mr Mustaffs
Speaker 1: has to come and save her because even female cats
Speaker 1: need to be saved. And then there's a moment where
Speaker 1: I swear like we were sitting in there there there's
Speaker 1: a moment during that first of all, where you hear
Speaker 1: a dog and I'm like, what did dogs look like
Speaker 1: in this world? I wanted to because they've established that
Speaker 1: every and every living creature on this planet is humanoid,
Speaker 1: because the mice and the cockroach. The cockroach is humanoid.
Speaker 1: I mean probably trees are humanoid. To the dogs, show
Speaker 1: me the dog. The dog would have been so horrible.
Speaker 1: Alfred Molina behind the door, like bark. Just imagine imagine
Speaker 1: this universe. Birds humanoid, fish humanoid just like human fish,
Speaker 1: and everything's humanoid. It's the implications are mind boggling. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's an uncanny world. Snakes humanoid, really long humans. I
Speaker 1: don't like it. But there at the end of that scene,
Speaker 1: when yes, the Victoria has to be saved by Mr
Speaker 1: Musta Files, there's a moment where I'm pretty sure it's
Speaker 1: like heavily convinced, like you're supposed to think he has
Speaker 1: a cat boner. They do they like nuzzle against and
Speaker 1: then he goes oh, and you're like no, a barbed
Speaker 1: penis begins to una like no, oh, it was not good. Okay.
Speaker 1: So then then this is when Judy Dench cat old
Speaker 1: Deuteronomy shows older are one on me, and when she enters,
Speaker 1: the whole theater erupts into it's such a dramatic unveiling
Speaker 1: and then everyone's like like, oh, it's very exciting. And
Speaker 1: then also as soon as she shows up, Ian McKellen
Speaker 1: cat is also suddenly there. He doesn't get entrithy, just
Speaker 1: hi um. Then there's a big dance number, and then
Speaker 1: Grizabella shows up again and Victoria. She sings the same song,
Speaker 1: and Victoria kind of like extends in alive branch because
Speaker 1: she's the one who's like, well, everyone else hates you,
Speaker 1: but she's still like the other cat, she's nice. And
Speaker 1: then but Grizabella SLINKs off again and now it's time
Speaker 1: for the jelical ball and Ian McKellen the cat ak
Speaker 1: Gus the theater cat. He sings a song. Then we
Speaker 1: get a song from Skimble Shanks the Railway cat. If
Speaker 1: you're getting if you're getting whiplash, this isn't Caitlin's fault.
Speaker 1: It's that's the movie. Is a new cat being introduced
Speaker 1: in singing a song about themselves. Like that's like the
Speaker 1: whole movie is like it's like I'm bibbili bop the
Speaker 1: shnibibily cat, and it's like he does a little dance
Speaker 1: and a little song, and then it's like I'm some
Speaker 1: bibilie and I'm the cat that eats ass, and then
Speaker 1: the song and then another one. But but it is
Speaker 1: still to spring the cat's defense forces out because I
Speaker 1: know that former guest Lindsay Ellis is going to make
Speaker 1: an amazing video about this, and we will we will
Speaker 1: all feel so stupid for having said these things. But
Speaker 1: it's grounded in the narrative in that when skimble Shanks
Speaker 1: is shaking his package around, it's because in that theory,
Speaker 1: he's presenting his case to be the gelical choice. That's
Speaker 1: the theory. While you're hearing everything. Yes, so it actually
Speaker 1: makes a lot of it actually is very narratively sound. Yes, um.
Speaker 1: But so they both sing their songs, but mccavity shows
Speaker 1: up again and makes both of them disappear. That's also
Speaker 1: when Taylor Swift Cat shows up. Her name, I guess
Speaker 1: is bomb Ballerina. She gets the all super high, super
Speaker 1: high on cat and the nip which little note about cat,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't just make cats high. It actually is
Speaker 1: thought to act as like a fake cat pheromone. So
Speaker 1: the fact that the cats are like undulating in the movie,
Speaker 1: like they're all horny as heck is accurate. Good, that's
Speaker 1: a good cat nip facts about but not about catney.
Speaker 1: Not about cat nipples right right, which also gets cat horny.
Speaker 1: But you know, but what are you gonna do? So
Speaker 1: mccavity shows up and he's like, well, old dude, it
Speaker 1: looks like I'm the only jelical cat left. I guess
Speaker 1: you have to choose me, and she's like, never, I
Speaker 1: only choose cats who deserve a new life, and your bad.
Speaker 1: And then and then she's on the bar, and then
Speaker 1: they're like Judy Dench. She walks the plank, and then
Speaker 1: I guess she's on the plank for what is the
Speaker 1: t minutes that Mr mustaf Les is trying to summon her.
Speaker 1: I want to see, like the uncunt version of Elba,
Speaker 1: just being like, so your hind right, we should keep
Speaker 1: cutting back to old Deuteronomy. On the plank, she does
Speaker 1: like I haven't changed my mind, and then he's like,
Speaker 1: all right, walk one step further. So then it was
Speaker 1: right we cut back to the theater where Victoria is like,
Speaker 1: my boyfriend's a magical cat. He can get old dude
Speaker 1: drawn me back, and I know that that's bad that
Speaker 1: like she is there to like pump him, give him
Speaker 1: enough like ego to make Judy dench up here. But
Speaker 1: I've been that cat before. I've been like, this is
Speaker 1: my boyfriend. He's really good at magic. And then he
Speaker 1: proceeds to be horrible at magic. That was a very
Speaker 1: triggering passage for me. But then we get one of
Speaker 1: the songs in the production magical Mr Mustafel, and then
Speaker 1: we see Mr Musa fills. I think that Mr mustafs.
Speaker 1: He tries to make her appear three times, but it's
Speaker 1: like he like, I'm gonna come, No, I'm not, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna come. No, I'm not. I'm gonna come. No, I'm not.
Speaker 1: And tail as old as time love to see it.
Speaker 1: And then and he needs he needs Victoria to encourage
Speaker 1: him before he can finally to get Look, the magical
Speaker 1: wand is not in his hand. Let me tell you, well,
Speaker 1: maybe sometimes it is, but it's the one we're looking at.
Speaker 1: It's his penis, is what I'm trying to say. Is
Speaker 1: the wand is his penis. Victoria gets some horny for
Speaker 1: magic and honey gets horny for old dute. Old duke
Speaker 1: comes back. I like that. You do see a man
Speaker 1: with almost no confidence in himself, because that's rare. And
Speaker 1: then Victoria sees Grizabella outside and she's like, come in
Speaker 1: here and sing. Victoria is like, it is better be
Speaker 1: the last time you sing memory, because it's the fourth time,
Speaker 1: and she does it. An old Deuteronomy is like, wow, Grizabella,
Speaker 1: that was so good. You're the jelical choice. And you
Speaker 1: know what, old dude o Grizabella an apology, yeah, and
Speaker 1: doesn't give one. She should be like, I am so
Speaker 1: sorry I kicked you out of the jelicals. That was
Speaker 1: sexiest of me. I I, old dude, have internalized misogyny.
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to untrain myself from these things.
Speaker 1: But I need to make teach an old cat new
Speaker 1: tricks and and and then she's like, I just remembered
Speaker 1: I should have kicked out my cavity dot. I'm so sorry,
Speaker 1: you may die and she just hot air balloon to heaven.
Speaker 1: And then she's like Victoria, Wow, good instinct on thinking
Speaker 1: that Grizabella was good. You're a jelical cat now, so
Speaker 1: I guess why she's a gelical cat because she did
Speaker 1: a good right. So I guess that means Victoria is
Speaker 1: eligible to die next year at the next ball, and
Speaker 1: a lot of that breaks Victoria. And then there's the
Speaker 1: five minute scene where Judy Dench breaks the fourth wall
Speaker 1: and then ends the movie with the most profound line
Speaker 1: I've ever heard in cinema, because she says, most importantly,
Speaker 1: a cat is not a dog. And we were like,
Speaker 1: what blew me away? It's weird. That is one of
Speaker 1: we have to take a quick break. That's the end
Speaker 1: of the movie. We have to take a quick break,
Speaker 1: and then we have to really get a lot of
Speaker 1: discussion infa we're back my mom. Wow wow wow wow.
Speaker 1: Um okay, so context corner for cats. For for a
Speaker 1: play with no plot, there's a fair amount of context.
Speaker 1: So this is an Andrewoid Webber musical. Um. It originally
Speaker 1: came out in one. He was allowed to do this
Speaker 1: because Evida had been very successful. Jesus Christ Superstar had
Speaker 1: been very successful. Not not just anyone could have gotten
Speaker 1: this mate because it doesn't make any sense. But it's
Speaker 1: adapted from an old book of T. S. Eliott poems
Speaker 1: called Old Possums Book of Practical Cats, which was published
Speaker 1: in the nineteen thirties. So most of the lyrics in
Speaker 1: this entire musical are direct T. S. Eliott poems or
Speaker 1: poems that have been modified slightly. But all the characters
Speaker 1: the letters from his wife, right, because like his wife
Speaker 1: was like um said something in some letter. Whereas like cats,
Speaker 1: when cats did, they go up up, up up to
Speaker 1: the heavinside layer. So the heaven side layer is referenced
Speaker 1: once in the book of poems, but it like they
Speaker 1: expand on the idea of it through letters. Um. But
Speaker 1: basically it was a book of children's poetry written by T. S.
Speaker 1: Eliott that Andrew Lord Webber really liked as a child.
Speaker 1: And all the character names come from T. S. Eliott,
Speaker 1: like he effectively wrote the play. Basically, all the I
Speaker 1: P Is T. S. Eliot's And he just didn't live
Speaker 1: long enough to prevent this from happening, is basically, and
Speaker 1: so Andrew Lie Webber uses his blank check as very
Speaker 1: successful composer to get this made. Um T. S. Eliot.
Speaker 1: It is extremely worth mentioning that he was notoriously I mean,
Speaker 1: he was every kind of bigoted it was possible to be,
Speaker 1: and it shows and all of his most famous works,
Speaker 1: including some things in Cats that um, for the most part,
Speaker 1: have been edited out, but over the years that wasn't
Speaker 1: always true. Um. But he I think is most famously
Speaker 1: deeply anti Semitic. But there's a lot of racism in
Speaker 1: his work. There's a ton of misogyny in this work.
Speaker 1: I was wondering about that aside and the thing about
Speaker 1: like the global bangers in the movie that was really weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's also deeply like he came from money, like
Speaker 1: he just had every privilege it's possible to have and
Speaker 1: doesn't give a funk about anyone except people who are
Speaker 1: exactly like him. Uh, you know, rich white straight men.
Speaker 1: So uh, he is bad. Uh. And there there's that
Speaker 1: whole like academic like there are some academic analysts that
Speaker 1: will like do the mental gymnastics necessary to justify it,
Speaker 1: but there's really no excusing it. Um. It's not especially
Speaker 1: present in this book, but but there was for the
Speaker 1: most part Andrew laid Webber. He has he's a member
Speaker 1: of the British Conservative Party, so we can't stand him
Speaker 1: in that regard. But he has um historically gone to
Speaker 1: bad for queer people and people of color in his
Speaker 1: musicals extended Universe. So there are some ideas between T. S.
Speaker 1: Eliott Andrew laid Webber that are directly conflicting. And Andrew
Speaker 1: loud Webber does a fair amount to steer his way
Speaker 1: around stuff. I don't agree with the casting of this
Speaker 1: movie in some ways, but um, in general, Um, through
Speaker 1: the years, Cats has been kind of fluid in terms
Speaker 1: of gender race. They're fucking cats, Katie. You mentioned the
Speaker 1: gender of Old Deuteronomy has changed through various adaptations. There
Speaker 1: are some cats that were originally played by white actors
Speaker 1: that are later played by black actors, and uh and
Speaker 1: vice versa, and angel Wee. Webber has a fairly good
Speaker 1: track record of going to bat for actors that aren't
Speaker 1: just the straight white actors. So there's that. But um,
Speaker 1: there was a song that was removed, only removed from
Speaker 1: Cats in that says a blatant slur um towards Asian people,
Speaker 1: and that was a line taken directly from T. S.
Speaker 1: Eliott um and the number it was a growl tiger
Speaker 1: number that was removed. So in any case, there were
Speaker 1: at very least adaptation changes made. And I think that
Speaker 1: that's like basically the background you need is. We can
Speaker 1: blame Andrew lid Webber for making it scary, but all
Speaker 1: the things that are problematic are generally t s eliott
Speaker 1: I p okay, and let us talk about these problematic things,
Speaker 1: because I mean, this is one of those movies where
Speaker 1: it's just like so nonsensical that it's almost sort of
Speaker 1: hard to analyze on any meaningful level because it's just like, well,
Speaker 1: none of it makes sense. And they're also cats, so like,
Speaker 1: how much can we talk about the representation of women?
Speaker 1: And yet I insisted we do this? Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: Victoria needs rescuing. Victoria needs rescuing. She is maybe the
Speaker 1: most passive protagonist of any movie I've ever seen in
Speaker 1: my entire life, and the fact that she is a
Speaker 1: female character, you know, means we just have an extremely
Speaker 1: passive female protagonists. It's also wild that they had to
Speaker 1: add in a song for her for this movie. She
Speaker 1: didn't even have a like the song like beautifuckers, that
Speaker 1: song that sucks being about being haunted. No, I had
Speaker 1: no idea what they were talking about that song, Like,
Speaker 1: like what I gathered from it, it it was like sucks
Speaker 1: for you that you were kicked out of this jellical group,
Speaker 1: but like they like me, so um yeah, but she
Speaker 1: like that song was written for this movie because so
Speaker 1: she didn't even have that much originally. She was truly
Speaker 1: like nothing nothing, and the direction for her like she's
Speaker 1: she is definitely that actor or ballet dancer. She's a
Speaker 1: great ballet dancer, super talented. Not criticizing her at all,
Speaker 1: but the direction for her seemed to be basically like
Speaker 1: look wide eyed, innocent and sexy at all times. And
Speaker 1: that's like, yeah, problem, especially because she's not really given
Speaker 1: much to do, like she doesn't do anything except lift
Speaker 1: up Mr mustapholes, and I mean she does. I do
Speaker 1: like generally how she is the only cat willing to
Speaker 1: like talk to Grizabella and bring her in, Like I
Speaker 1: think that that women lift up other women and healthy
Speaker 1: women and then old dude. I like the choice of
Speaker 1: old dupe being a woman in this and that she
Speaker 1: gives Grazi Balla the second chance, and that you get
Speaker 1: the matriarchy through Judy Dench, And I think that those
Speaker 1: are all cool choices controversial slash straight up bad editing.
Speaker 1: CG choice was that so Francesca Hayward is a black woman,
Speaker 1: but you would never know that based on how she's
Speaker 1: stylized in the movie. She's essentially I mean, there's been
Speaker 1: there's a million articles on this that will have more
Speaker 1: cogent thoughts than the two seconds I have to summarize this.
Speaker 1: But basically, when the trailer for this movie came out
Speaker 1: in July, a lot of people were like upset because
Speaker 1: because this movie has a black female lead, but you
Speaker 1: would never know it, particularly because she's a ballet dancer
Speaker 1: and she's not recognizable to the general public. So like
Speaker 1: we I didn't find out that she was a black
Speaker 1: woman until before the third time I saw it, and
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, the the pushback on that was like, well,
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to be able to tell the race
Speaker 1: of any of the cats, but that's not true. Calm
Speaker 1: down there, Stephen Colbert. It's very it's like it's not true.
Speaker 1: And even with I hate that. I hate that when
Speaker 1: they use that excuse for like, oh, we literally don't
Speaker 1: see race, like nice, try, like you still have to
Speaker 1: do good representation, and you can identify the race of
Speaker 1: almost any other cat in the entire maybe you should
Speaker 1: see Taylor Swift is not a like snow white cat,
Speaker 1: but you can still see in the way that she's
Speaker 1: edited the bottom of her face, you can tell what
Speaker 1: ethnicity she is. So it's like a shitty argument, and
Speaker 1: it is whitewashing a black female character. Yeah, because yeah,
Speaker 1: and then like Jennifer Hudson, Idris Alba, and Jason Drulo
Speaker 1: are all like visibly black. Also, that's kind of messed
Speaker 1: up too, because like with with You, just like one
Speaker 1: of the lyrics of the song is that he's a
Speaker 1: ginger cat, like he's got like, you know, ginger coloration
Speaker 1: of the cat, and then that he doesn't. That was
Speaker 1: a weird big in the musical. Cavity has been played
Speaker 1: by a black man before, but it's still a ginger cat, right,
Speaker 1: because that's how they describe them. I mean, it's okay
Speaker 1: if you don't do that, but then why didn't Then
Speaker 1: how come the argument is like, oh, well, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just like they're all just cats. But then like
Speaker 1: you changed that, you didn't change Victoria. It doesn't make
Speaker 1: sense the casting of this movie. I mean it's a
Speaker 1: very diverse cast. I think that it's just again it's
Speaker 1: like an issue of just like a very white behind
Speaker 1: the scenes crew that if not thinking critically or hard
Speaker 1: enough about the choices that they're making because you're casting
Speaker 1: uh you know, like the only two true outliers from
Speaker 1: the gelical world are two black characters. You've got Idris
Speaker 1: Elba as Macavity and then you have Jennifer Hudson as Grizabella.
Speaker 1: So so it's like the it's like the optics, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocked if they're like, yeah, no one thought
Speaker 1: of it. So a lot of things seem to slip
Speaker 1: through the cracks with this movie. Yeah, um, to talk
Speaker 1: about the body shaming of some of the cats, Rebel
Speaker 1: Wilson cat and James Cordon cat, they're both plus size actors,
Speaker 1: and then uh, I think at least James Cordon has
Speaker 1: like a fat suit on, um, making him appear bigger
Speaker 1: than he for sure, for sure. So this is again
Speaker 1: it's just like an adaptation issue, I think, where it's
Speaker 1: like when you're writing about a chubby cat and a poem,
Speaker 1: it's very different than shaming a famous actor for their
Speaker 1: size and you know, kind of forcing them to make
Speaker 1: fun of themselves in a way that feels dated and
Speaker 1: like uncomfortable and unfair. Um, so like you don't have
Speaker 1: to adapt it that way, and and and because this
Speaker 1: is like the sinister spiral of adaptations of it's like
Speaker 1: poem to musical to movie. You can change how it's
Speaker 1: presented in the musical too, but they don't. I don't, right,
Speaker 1: And and just to be clear, the issue is that
Speaker 1: like there should be a much wider array of body
Speaker 1: size is represented in across all movies. So the fact
Speaker 1: that you have like plus size actors in this movie
Speaker 1: is great. The problem is they're just like those characters
Speaker 1: are characterized as being shown constantly eating. Rebel Wilson is
Speaker 1: a gumby cat, which I guess just laziness, sits around,
Speaker 1: does nothing. They're just like always stuffing their faces. And
Speaker 1: they're also the first two cats to be captured. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's just because they're the first two cats jelical cats
Speaker 1: will get introduced. But it's just like it sends a
Speaker 1: message also, it makes me think, so like remember that
Speaker 1: really disturbing scene where Rebel Wilson, the Rebel Wilson cat
Speaker 1: like unzips her skin and there's a dress, the tight
Speaker 1: cocktail dress under her skin and then more for under
Speaker 1: the dress, which everyone's freaked out about. I've been thinking
Speaker 1: about why they would do that and why they wouldn't
Speaker 1: give her like you know how like you just Elbow's
Speaker 1: character and old old dude, like it's like a furry
Speaker 1: coat in like sort of like fluffiness, and then that
Speaker 1: would be much less traumatizing to see her character off.
Speaker 1: I think twice it becomes a plot point. And I
Speaker 1: think the reason that they had to do that is
Speaker 1: because they want to accentuate the fact that she's fat.
Speaker 1: And I think that was a way of like humiliating
Speaker 1: her in a way like the character. Does that make sense, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I don't really know like how it's portrayed in
Speaker 1: the original musical, so I don't even I mean that
Speaker 1: could be something that's either being played down or up
Speaker 1: in either direction. I'm not totally sure. But it doesn't
Speaker 1: come off well at all. And it's just like it's
Speaker 1: not fair to the actors. Both James Gordon and Rebel
Speaker 1: Wilson have had to like play in a way that
Speaker 1: mocks their own size for years and years. It's really
Speaker 1: it's really insulting. Yeah, and and it's not a joke
Speaker 1: that anyone is laughing at anymore. Like it's just it's uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: I feel like we I want to be optimistic and
Speaker 1: say largely as a society have kind of like moved
Speaker 1: past that, and like the fat acceptance movement has done
Speaker 1: so much work that seeing like a goofy movie that
Speaker 1: doesn't need to do this. There's so many dumb things
Speaker 1: you can do with Rebel Wilson and James Corden. They're comedians,
Speaker 1: like they're uniquely qualified to make anything funny. And then
Speaker 1: just to be like, Nope, your body is the joke.
Speaker 1: We're not going to change the source material at all. Sorry,
Speaker 1: Like and just any time that there's like a refusal
Speaker 1: to adapt something like that is just it's just lazy.
Speaker 1: It just sucks. It's like what you're gonna like take
Speaker 1: a bunch of steps backwards in any progress that's been
Speaker 1: made for fan service or to like have a more
Speaker 1: faithful adaptation like who cares, No one cares. But then
Speaker 1: it's I mean it's an impossible christen their part, because
Speaker 1: if I'm Rebel Wilson and someone is like do you
Speaker 1: want to be in Cats? I'm like whatever it takes.
Speaker 1: So so it's it just it Yeah, where it's definitely
Speaker 1: it's an issue. It's the refusal to adapt. It is
Speaker 1: so it's glaring and it and it makes the best
Speaker 1: movie less the best. And while there have been strides
Speaker 1: made in the body positivity movement and there's less fat
Speaker 1: shaming than there was in the past, it's still a
Speaker 1: huge issue. And I think, particularly in Hollywood, there's still
Speaker 1: a refusal to cast plus size actors and things. It's
Speaker 1: getting a little better, but like, and the types of
Speaker 1: parts that plus size actors get tended to be the
Speaker 1: same stock characters that this doesn't strive from stray cats
Speaker 1: at all. A thing that Rebe Wilson has to deal
Speaker 1: with a lot in most of the movie she gets
Speaker 1: cast in is that she's made to be also very clumsy,
Speaker 1: like constantly falling or like getting hit in the head.
Speaker 1: And yeah, we're like, so her most famous character's name
Speaker 1: is fat Amy. It's like it's ridiculous, um, But in
Speaker 1: this movie, I mean no exception where she's like falling
Speaker 1: all the time, She like falls off the chair and
Speaker 1: she's they're just like both her and James Cordon cat
Speaker 1: are are like clumsy, just kind of bumbling on. That's
Speaker 1: that's kind of a trope that has to do, like
Speaker 1: a sort of size of trope worts like oh if
Speaker 1: you're if you're fat, you're like doofy clumsy or your gluttonous,
Speaker 1: you're greedy, and like like the James Cordon character embodies
Speaker 1: some of that, where he's like he's greedy, he's gluttonous,
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, sort of like a prima donna
Speaker 1: and like the same. It's just it was just bad.
Speaker 1: It's it's and it's too bad too, because it's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, like I understand why they would take
Speaker 1: these roles in this amazing, perfect, built to succeed movie. Uh,
Speaker 1: And James Cordon, to his credit, has done a fair
Speaker 1: amount of like good activism for plus size people, and
Speaker 1: so it's just it just sucks that they're subjected to this.
Speaker 1: It's because like it's not it doesn't read well to anybody, right, Well,
Speaker 1: you look at like the roles that plus size people get,
Speaker 1: and it's like pretty every everyone who's been prominent has
Speaker 1: had to take a role where like the main joke
Speaker 1: is that you're big, and it's just like it's it's
Speaker 1: cringe e for audiences in general, Like it's just bad.
Speaker 1: You can say something I liked Old Dude in general.
Speaker 1: I like old Dude. I like how Judy Dench plays
Speaker 1: her too seriously. I like but I but I did
Speaker 1: like that. Well, it seems like Grizabella's character was originally
Speaker 1: supposed to be pretty agist, and her whole character is
Speaker 1: built around like the quote unquote, like the indignities of aging,
Speaker 1: the feeling of irrelevant female beauty fading, and like these
Speaker 1: things that are real. And I think we're even reeler
Speaker 1: in n but it's kind of uncritical of them. But
Speaker 1: then she's redeemed. It's kind of confusing. But for in
Speaker 1: terms of old Dude, I like that um old dude
Speaker 1: is allowed to be just as freaky sexual as all
Speaker 1: the other cats. I loved the orgy with old Dude.
Speaker 1: I loved that right because they go into the theater
Speaker 1: and they have a massive orgy and they rub against No,
Speaker 1: it's not even like I mean, okay, I'm exaggerating a
Speaker 1: little bit. They don't literally have sex, but they rub
Speaker 1: up against each other. Old due Old Dude gets in
Speaker 1: there and like they they're rubbing up against her, and
Speaker 1: it's like this kind of pan sexual cat orgy, and
Speaker 1: I'm it's we have a pan sexual cat orgy. I'm
Speaker 1: here for representation. We've needed for decades, but it is cool.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like I agree with them. You're
Speaker 1: making a very good point. I'm kind of being silly,
Speaker 1: but I agree with that. Yeah, oh yeah, just like
Speaker 1: that that people over a certain age, particularly women over
Speaker 1: a certain age, are not afforded, aren't allowed to be
Speaker 1: sexual in any way, and everyone in this movie is
Speaker 1: too sexual. Judy Dench included. Did you see Judy Dench's
Speaker 1: cute little like leg thing where she's sitting in her basket.
Speaker 1: She was sitting in the basket like sort of that
Speaker 1: they paint me like one of your French cats post
Speaker 1: that she does the leg kick and she's like, I'm
Speaker 1: screw Like, yeah, everyone, we all screamed, We all screamed
Speaker 1: for Judy Dene's cat legs. But she, she and Ian
Speaker 1: McKellen are are just as horny as the next cat
Speaker 1: on the block. So that's I thought. I love I
Speaker 1: love a horny cat, Judy Dinch. She really fun fact
Speaker 1: about Judy Dench is that she was so excited to
Speaker 1: be in this movie because she was originally supposed to
Speaker 1: play I think either Grizabella or Victoria in the original
Speaker 1: production of Cats, and then she got hurt and she
Speaker 1: couldn't do it, but she's been a cat's stand for
Speaker 1: all these years. And then Mr Webber was Lord Webber
Speaker 1: was like, damn, will you be my old dude? And
Speaker 1: she said yes, yes, yes can I kick? Like it
Speaker 1: was good for her? Good um. One of the adaptations
Speaker 1: that I liked in Cats. And that's why anytime that
Speaker 1: someone's like, I can't change the Jenny any Dut song,
Speaker 1: I can't change Busta for Jones song. And then you're like,
Speaker 1: but you changed a lot of stuff in good Bye.
Speaker 1: You took out the racist song we need we needed
Speaker 1: that and changed that I really liked as they changed
Speaker 1: old Deuteronomy, who who has been played by all genders
Speaker 1: um throughout the years. The production I saw, by the way,
Speaker 1: the most recent production I saw, a friend of the cast,
Speaker 1: friend of the Cats, Corey Johnson played old and incredible.
Speaker 1: It was and I had completely forgotten. And then Corey
Speaker 1: is like, I'm old dude, and like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what that means. And she she's like, she's like, it
Speaker 1: seems like I'm never going to come out, and then
Speaker 1: I do. I was like, all right, and that's exactly
Speaker 1: and they it was in time. It was at the lyrics.
Speaker 1: It was like a tiny theater, and so there's just
Speaker 1: Corey like walking really slowly to the center of this stage.
Speaker 1: She's wearing this huge cape and you're just like, what
Speaker 1: is happening? It was, It was so great. Corey is
Speaker 1: a better old dude than Judy Dench. But if it
Speaker 1: is nice for the for the big feature adaptation, UM
Speaker 1: to see them make the choice to have it be
Speaker 1: a matriarchy. UM. I think that there are a few
Speaker 1: things that make a little bit less sense when it's
Speaker 1: a matriarchy, UM, like Grizabella being extradited and Macavity not.
Speaker 1: But in general, I think it's a good choice. Yes,
Speaker 1: I liked it, Yes, indeed. Um, well you've got your list, Um,
Speaker 1: I just let me let me go through my I
Speaker 1: brought a notebook to hear the pages turning at a ce. Um,
Speaker 1: let me just go through and see what very stupid
Speaker 1: jokes I wrote down. Gus the theater cat. Um, he
Speaker 1: sings a song about the good old days and how
Speaker 1: maybe it would be nicer if we return to the
Speaker 1: good old days. So I'm he's a maga cat, is
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, he's an okay boomer cat by
Speaker 1: the way, who is running tech at the Jellical Ball, Isaac,
Speaker 1: I think your boyfriend I whever he's rinning. Techi's anting
Speaker 1: tech everywhere, including the Jellical Ball, and he didn't get
Speaker 1: hate on time for it. I like the other choice
Speaker 1: that you're like, whose idea was this? Um was during
Speaker 1: Magical Mr. Mstaffs when Jason to Rula starts like going
Speaker 1: falsetto Oh yeah, it's like madocal bistrostoffle Like, I feel
Speaker 1: like they only did like one take and then we
Speaker 1: were like, oh, Jason, you weren't supposed to do that,
Speaker 1: but we only had the one take, so let's just
Speaker 1: move on. We were talking about this at the theater,
Speaker 1: but it's so most actors you could tell, like the
Speaker 1: famous people were not there more than they had to be.
Speaker 1: But Jason Derula seemed to be there every day. He's
Speaker 1: in the background of every shot. He's like there. He's
Speaker 1: in so many things that you're like, wouldn't have missed him,
Speaker 1: but he's just like like he's just back there. He
Speaker 1: loves cats. He loves cats. What else did you let's see? Um? Oh?
Speaker 1: That um? What song is that? Run? Amy? Right? I
Speaker 1: just can't stop thinking read it. Um, the like hip
Speaker 1: hop cats who wear the sneakers the boy cats that
Speaker 1: they were wearing Mike, Yeah, I think that that was
Speaker 1: added for the movie. I don't really have anything else
Speaker 1: to say about it. But they come up a couple
Speaker 1: of times. They're on the there on Skimble's train, They're
Speaker 1: in the bed at Skimbles on Skimbles train, the sneakers,
Speaker 1: sneakers in the bed whatever. Um, there's a bunch of
Speaker 1: like really stupid cat puns, which look, I think if
Speaker 1: they had just tried a little harder, they could have
Speaker 1: gotten some better things. I like when Wilson says, don't
Speaker 1: mess with the crazy cat lady and then she beats
Speaker 1: up growl tiger. I have to admit I like that part.
Speaker 1: That was fine. There's the whole like cat tongue joke. Um.
Speaker 1: I think Rebet Wilson says, like who let the cat
Speaker 1: out of the bag? That one wasn't very good when
Speaker 1: they didn't cut any of the improv that they do,
Speaker 1: Like you just get to feel like Tom Hooper's on
Speaker 1: the other side of the camera, like say something about it,
Speaker 1: say something about a cat. I don't know how he talked.
Speaker 1: I know he's brittish us like something about a cat.
Speaker 1: James corn is like a cat, and then he's like,
Speaker 1: all right, it stays oh, and then James Cordon lands
Speaker 1: on his cat balls. Do you remember that part? He
Speaker 1: doesn't on his cat testicles? But then someone else is
Speaker 1: accused of being neutered. I forget who that is. Oh um,
Speaker 1: is that Jason Derillo? Yeah, Rebel Wilson does some improvised
Speaker 1: line about like has he he he just has he
Speaker 1: not been neuted or something because he's making everyone he's
Speaker 1: doing like a falsetto, and she thinks that like he's
Speaker 1: like a eunuch cat. I thought that it was because
Speaker 1: he's been making everyone horny. My read was that he
Speaker 1: was singing. Because no, she says something like he's singing
Speaker 1: so high as if he's been neutered the way that
Speaker 1: like they used to cast right, young boys just don'ts
Speaker 1: and it's just Jason Deruloh under all that. They're like, no,
Speaker 1: he's just a soprano. Is Jason Deruloh? Yeah? I don't know.
Speaker 1: There was also every time I watch it and all
Speaker 1: the female cats become violently horny when Jason Derulo comes
Speaker 1: on the scene. I'm like, there's some commentary there, but
Speaker 1: I'm too horny to figure out what it is. So
Speaker 1: you know, if anyone has a read on that, feel
Speaker 1: free to share. I haven't. I haven't been able to
Speaker 1: calm myself down enough to analyze that passage. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't make heads or tails, like is that sexist? But
Speaker 1: also I'm horny heads tales of it. I found some
Speaker 1: other bad puns from the movies. Someone says, look what
Speaker 1: the cat dragged in, and then someone says, oh, I
Speaker 1: think this is Rebbe Wilson. She says, stop milking it.
Speaker 1: And then I think there's like a sign that it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be like for a casino, but it says catsino.
Speaker 1: There's all this. I wish I'd paid more like close
Speaker 1: attention to the sign. I'm pretty sure all the signs
Speaker 1: are cat adjacent because there's like, yeah, because there's that
Speaker 1: iconic scene that we somehow haven't brought up where there
Speaker 1: at the milker curious. It makes sense when you take
Speaker 1: in the scope of the song. Rum tongue Tuger is indecisive.
Speaker 1: He wants what he can't have, but there's this moment
Speaker 1: he's walking out of the bar the milk bar. He's like,
Speaker 1: no more milk. He's done. Who's that four? Is that
Speaker 1: four cats? Or is it for It seems like it's
Speaker 1: for humans. It says like milk all night log in London. Um.
Speaker 1: But he walks out, he's like, no more milk and
Speaker 1: then he gets two steps out and he goes, no,
Speaker 1: it's not sung, it's just screamed. It's good neg Oh
Speaker 1: my god. How about your list? My list? Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: going to make a more detailed graphic about this, um
Speaker 1: if you're welcome for the betel cast official accounts. So
Speaker 1: a lot of people have been saying that this movie
Speaker 1: is going to be a midnight screening classic like Rocky
Speaker 1: Horror or The Room or The Room, and with those
Speaker 1: when you go to those movies, there's specific things we're
Speaker 1: supposed to yell at the screen, specific things we're supposed
Speaker 1: to do when certain things happen, which means there will
Speaker 1: be a system devised for this movie. Maybe we can
Speaker 1: get ahead of it and contribute to history. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: This is not that this is mainly just a list
Speaker 1: of things I list I wrote down on my phone
Speaker 1: because you're allowed to have your phone out during this movie,
Speaker 1: no one gets mad at you. So I made a
Speaker 1: list on my phone during my second viewing of the
Speaker 1: movie of just things that we're getting reactions that I'm like,
Speaker 1: we could figure this out. I'll try. I'll try to
Speaker 1: crystallize that a little more for social media. But I
Speaker 1: can't feel free to jump in thank you. So this
Speaker 1: was made during them. Okay, when cats wear hats, you
Speaker 1: can scream. I mostly just added places you can scream.
Speaker 1: When cats where hats, you can scream. Anytime a new
Speaker 1: cat start a song, you can yell who is that? Um.
Speaker 1: When a cat disappears into dust, you have to drink.
Speaker 1: When each elbows on screen, you can yell his career
Speaker 1: may never recover. Um, let's see, there has to be
Speaker 1: some sort of rule with the with the when the
Speaker 1: mice and the and the cockroach, there has to be
Speaker 1: something right. There has to be something there. Oh, when
Speaker 1: rum Tom Talker comes on screen, you have to go
Speaker 1: Jess and that has to happen obviously, Um, something about
Speaker 1: pussy jokes. I just run that time. Um, oh, milk,
Speaker 1: there has to be something there. When Grizabella starts to
Speaker 1: crawl in the ground, you can yell drama queen. Uh.
Speaker 1: When James Cordon's song is ending, you can yell your
Speaker 1: move fallon you fucking zick. Oh. Uh. When James Cordon's
Speaker 1: cat noubles come out, you can say show me the
Speaker 1: other four, sweetie. Um during the other four six sorry
Speaker 1: the other I'm so sorry, I was drunk. Um during
Speaker 1: Mungo Jerry and Rubble Teaser Ugo, p everyone leaves at theater.
Speaker 1: Let's see do something when the cats get horny but
Speaker 1: they don't get bonners. Um. Oh this is okay, this
Speaker 1: is a half developed thought. But whenever Ian McKellen is
Speaker 1: on screen and doing something that's a little weird, um,
Speaker 1: you just pretend that he did one take of everything.
Speaker 1: So whenever he goes my mom mama, you could be like, wow,
Speaker 1: he had one take. Great. If you get in quiet moments,
Speaker 1: you can just say regular volume lame is was pretty good.
Speaker 1: Whenever Judy Dent is talking and no one is listening,
Speaker 1: you can just be like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Like when she's like staring out the window at Grizabella
Speaker 1: and Victoria becoming friends and she's just talking about she's
Speaker 1: like something about a cat days going to happened soon,
Speaker 1: and you're just like shut up. You can yell shut
Speaker 1: up at any at any time, you can ye shut
Speaker 1: up um at any time, you can yell what year
Speaker 1: is it? Oh? And here's my favorite one. This is
Speaker 1: something that my friend John Milstein did while we were
Speaker 1: seeing the movie. But so you know, during Um Skimble
Speaker 1: Shanks the Railway Cats song, at one point he starts
Speaker 1: to tap and he starts slow, and then it gets
Speaker 1: kind of faster. So okay, so once he starts to tap,
Speaker 1: you can go, oh, then he'll table a faster and
Speaker 1: then you go oh. And then when he starts to
Speaker 1: really go, you go, oh, here we go. That's the
Speaker 1: most satisfying thing. If anyone has anything to add to
Speaker 1: the Midnight Cat screening rules, I'm going to try to
Speaker 1: be crowdsourcing them online. So if we can really pull
Speaker 1: something together, I think anytime there's like a cat, a
Speaker 1: bad cat, pun something, oh, absolutely something, there's enough. There's enough. Yes,
Speaker 1: well that that's a great list. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for curating that. You can also boom. Mr Mustapole says
Speaker 1: he continues to fail there when he goes and then
Speaker 1: you got and then he just starts to say he
Speaker 1: keep singing. It's well, I never was there ever a
Speaker 1: cat so clever as magical, Mr Mustapolis. There's never a
Speaker 1: cat that I want to hook up with in real
Speaker 1: life as much as oh no again. Um, well, does
Speaker 1: cats pass the Bechtel test? I believe it does. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. I believe it does. I think it's
Speaker 1: a few times with Grizabella and Victoria they talk about
Speaker 1: things like loneliness and female beauty being fleeting there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then also old Deuteronomy and Victoria she's like, do
Speaker 1: you want to come to the jocal ball my favorite
Speaker 1: thing that passes the Bechtel test? What is the exact
Speaker 1: reason where it's like, like Victoria's like, I'm astray, I'm
Speaker 1: alone in the world, and old dudes like, oh that sucks. Pause.
Speaker 1: Do you want to see me make the jellical choice?
Speaker 1: You're like okay. She basically is like anyways, sorry, but
Speaker 1: more importantly it passes. Yeah. Um so yeah, we've got
Speaker 1: We've got not that much interaction, at least not spoken
Speaker 1: interaction between female characters. I do like how the female
Speaker 1: cats do nozzle each other. That's good. I could have
Speaker 1: used a little more like male characters nozzling each other,
Speaker 1: because I think that would have been I think the
Speaker 1: um fight the toxic Mr must and Skimble Shanks should nuzzle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: God damn it. Why doesn't Skimble get black Skimbles a
Speaker 1: career man. He doesn't have time for a relationship. She's
Speaker 1: on this train every night. He's got he's got a
Speaker 1: cat in every city. He's like a touring comedian. Oh
Speaker 1: all right, so our nipple scale, our our five cat nipples?
Speaker 1: Uh was zero to five nipples based on its representation
Speaker 1: of female cats. Oh geez, I guess like I was
Speaker 1: gonna go to nipples three because I got horny, okay
Speaker 1: nipples and to James cordon arials. Okay, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I'll go with I don't know. I guess it's two
Speaker 1: between all of the just like the extremely passive female protagonists.
Speaker 1: But then also you have like female characters lifting each
Speaker 1: other up and there's a matriarchy. But like again, like
Speaker 1: this is one of those movies that it's just so trichy,
Speaker 1: the meo triarchy. It's too outlandish to really apply any
Speaker 1: sort of like feminist criticism to Celis video job. I know,
Speaker 1: I'll just go two point five right down the middle
Speaker 1: because I don't know what else to do. But it
Speaker 1: is a blast to watch if you're with friends and
Speaker 1: a big group of people just laughing, laughing it up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's and I love it. It has problematic elements. I
Speaker 1: wish that more had been adjusted for the adaptation, but
Speaker 1: you know, I I three nipples. I don't care to
Speaker 1: explain myself at this time. Three cat nipples. They're all
Speaker 1: going to skambles of course. Okay, how about you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I said, I'd give it like maybe two cat nipples,
Speaker 1: and like a James Cordinary like a Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: a good movie. It's not a good movie philosophically. It
Speaker 1: doesn't really do a good job socially or in the
Speaker 1: terms in any way a movie really should do. The
Speaker 1: reason I'm giving it some nipples is I think every
Speaker 1: everyone acted their little cat hearts out, and I appreciated that,
Speaker 1: even though it was misplaced and the sheer. There's something
Speaker 1: to be said about a movie that is so bizarre
Speaker 1: and bad that it becomes this lightning rod that I
Speaker 1: think I do value, Like I think that it's it
Speaker 1: has you know, all these conversations are now happening, So
Speaker 1: that's in a way that's art true. Yeah, Well, Okay,
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Speaker 1: in Philadelphia on the We can go to our website
Speaker 1: pecktel cast dot com and click on live to see
Speaker 1: more stuff about that and other shows we're doing. Uh,
Speaker 1: you can find us online wherever, not hard, don't overthink
Speaker 1: it and just search pecktel Cats and he'll he'll definitely
Speaker 1: find us. You'll find us, or you'll find some sinister
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Speaker 1: uh signed for our patreon ak Matreon at Patreon or
Speaker 1: is it our k cat treat our Patreon, which actually
Speaker 1: just um that's Patreona calm slash back to cast cat
Speaker 1: cast uh. And we're doing what movies this one month?
Speaker 1: We're doing We're doing a net flanuary whatever were we
Speaker 1: calling it? Janet? And either way it sucks. If we're
Speaker 1: doing we're doing. The episodes are great. We're doing um
Speaker 1: someone great and um kissing both. So look out. Joey
Speaker 1: King just got hit in the head with the golden
Speaker 1: globe the other day. One of my favorite most recent celebrities.
Speaker 1: I didn't see that. So she was in this mini
Speaker 1: series that was scary Act with the Act with Patricia Arquette.
Speaker 1: Tricia Arquette won a golden globe and then accidentally bonked
Speaker 1: poor Joey. She has some great picks. I'd like to
Speaker 1: plug Joey King's Instagram. She has a million billion followers,
Speaker 1: but always good to help. If you want to see
Speaker 1: her head bonked, that's where you can and catch it
Speaker 1: um and public dot com slash at the back to
Speaker 1: the last for we need to we should do a
Speaker 1: cat's shirt, the Bital cats cat and then it's us
Speaker 1: but we're uncanny. You look like cats. Okay, I'll get
Speaker 1: to work right away to the rab Oh my god. Wow. Okay,
Speaker 1: thanks everyone, Ama