Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast. Here'sn't afraid to mute you
Speaker 1: on Twitter. We welcome to another edition of the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis. I'm coming
Speaker 1: to you from a room that's just overflowing with heroes
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and Greg Rosittal. What is up boys?
Speaker 1: Hey Dan and joining us in studio for the first time.
Speaker 1: You've had this person on the phone once and we
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. But now we got her in the house.
Speaker 1: I call her the first Lady of sports Twitter. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. Her majesty na kind Welcome
Speaker 1: to be Around the NFL podcast. Thank you. Um, I
Speaker 1: don't know how I'm gonna live up to the designation you. Besides,
Speaker 1: this his first lady music, That's what I asked. He
Speaker 1: doesn't really do much so majestic, very royal tea settings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, lose first lady. Let's let's go with
Speaker 1: the Queen. I don't think they let her out of
Speaker 1: the house in this administration. How are you men? Is
Speaker 1: that kind of podcast? I'm good, I'm pumped. I have
Speaker 1: changed my mind about who's gonna win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Literally every day I don't know where you guys are
Speaker 1: with that, but it does not. I I was wondering
Speaker 1: how a favorite was installed in this game because I've
Speaker 1: been the same way. You can talk to yourself like
Speaker 1: I think the forty are the better team. But how
Speaker 1: do you pick against Patrick Mahomes right now? I mean
Speaker 1: the since you don't know anything, pick with what you
Speaker 1: want to happen camp and just in general, I have
Speaker 1: a fondness for Andy Reid. I feel like he I
Speaker 1: would argue that you've all put more work into this
Speaker 1: than I have. I have not thought about it once
Speaker 1: since Sunday. So I'm with you. I'm Patrick Mahomes. This
Speaker 1: is his moment, this is his take the Torch game.
Speaker 1: But that might be again more I'd like to see.
Speaker 1: We don't want to spoil the big reveal from our
Speaker 1: super Bowl with yeah okay because people are on the
Speaker 1: edge of the seat. And also Simone Sessler, your lovely
Speaker 1: wife Mark. By the way, Greg any apologies yet hat
Speaker 1: in hand. Well, two shows in a row, Greg with
Speaker 1: extremely offensive commentary about actually comments about this, and I
Speaker 1: think it's it's beyond her at this point, everyone a favor.
Speaker 1: It was you're doing everyone a favor in your world.
Speaker 1: That's how you was getting you. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: can't name one person who you granted a favor too.
Speaker 1: I was Simon's Niners fan, and I was trying to
Speaker 1: get what was would be an exciting romantic potential. Night's Well, Greg,
Speaker 1: you are a You are a cupid if there is
Speaker 1: ever been one. So I'm gonna listen. She listens to. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know that is a curious affiliated with me. Listens
Speaker 1: to my wife. My wife has never listened to two
Speaker 1: minutes of this podcast in the entire run of it.
Speaker 1: Not one. In fact, we had a TV show for
Speaker 1: the first time ever around the NFL broadcast that aired
Speaker 1: the last three weeks, My wife, thank you did you like?
Speaker 1: I was on the plane. I liked it very much.
Speaker 1: O good, thank you? Um My wife she watched the
Speaker 1: first one, but then she trailed off. She watched Our
Speaker 1: Enthusiasm waynes. Yeah, but I guess she doesn't care about
Speaker 1: football either, So what do we talk about? My family
Speaker 1: is actually listening to everything I put out over the
Speaker 1: next two weeks because we're in a very competitive pick
Speaker 1: him what's been going. There's a plaque in my family's
Speaker 1: house I'm talking family, parents, brother, and it's gone down
Speaker 1: to the wire. Basically, whoever's right in the super Bowl
Speaker 1: wins it all of this year gets their name on
Speaker 1: the Kimes family plaque. They have an advantage because they're
Speaker 1: going to know who I'll pick based on my my
Speaker 1: public profile, so they're watching everything I do. Like Hucks,
Speaker 1: this is cutthroat. I've had this issue with fantasy football.
Speaker 1: My good friend Bob, he has told me outright he
Speaker 1: knows who like my quote unquote sleeper picks are who
Speaker 1: I like because of he's a listener to our podcast.
Speaker 1: Well like Greg and I worked for Rhoda World Like.
Speaker 1: I was running our draft kit one year and all
Speaker 1: my high school buddy bought the draft and I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't even want to do this. Yeah, well, I mean, Mina,
Speaker 1: is it not concerning that you are not dominating your
Speaker 1: family and this you are, This is your career and
Speaker 1: this is your expertise. You should just be devastating them.
Speaker 1: It's hard, so we do. I'm part of the ESPN.
Speaker 1: There's like an expert picks page and you can see
Speaker 1: the records. My mother sun Man Climes, who I think
Speaker 1: is seventy four now, has shredded every news Reddick Trey Wingo,
Speaker 1: my golic destroyed by sun Man climes year after year.
Speaker 1: But this is the year I could take her. If
Speaker 1: I get the Super Bowl, right, I win? All right,
Speaker 1: A lot happening, alright, so I mean this here, we're
Speaker 1: excited her majesty forge about the first lady. You're right,
Speaker 1: because it's the first lady really varies. Some first lady
Speaker 1: super plugged in, super influential helenor Roosevelt come the mind
Speaker 1: immediately got a lot. Uh you know, of course Barack
Speaker 1: Obama's wife, Michelle, she was Why do you refer to
Speaker 1: her as Barack Obama's the queen though in charge? I
Speaker 1: don't know these days queens queens are struggling right now
Speaker 1: save for the news. You know that news outside of
Speaker 1: the states. But it's there's something she's happening there. Um
Speaker 1: who said I don't pay attention to news outside the state,
Speaker 1: I did write a few seconds ago. Because it's true,
Speaker 1: you're incorrect. All right, here we go, coming up on
Speaker 1: today's show, Eli Manning retired. We're gonna get to that. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we've been building up to this moment. It's funny, mean
Speaker 1: that you're here for this show because this Eli retires
Speaker 1: and what's next. Conversation has been really West has been
Speaker 1: He's been primed for this for years to take his
Speaker 1: shots at Eli in a big feel like I feel
Speaker 1: like they've said it off, but it's all building. This
Speaker 1: is when Chernobyl blows. Uh. We'll talk about Eli, and
Speaker 1: also since Eli, it's the big talk about the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame, we'll talk about players who are active right now,
Speaker 1: who are already in the Hall of Fame in our minds,
Speaker 1: and perhaps we will disagree. Hopefully we will because that's fun.
Speaker 1: If we have some time, we'll do a mail bag.
Speaker 1: But yes, let's start with the news. What tuck down
Speaker 1: just what every quarterback lives for. And it takes a
Speaker 1: sack back to brawl under pressure aboard the watch and
Speaker 1: he's gotta fight out of it. Don't fight out of
Speaker 1: it now, froll good deep downfield takes it back. Got
Speaker 1: a play by man Eli Man. I don't know how
Speaker 1: he got out of there. I thought he was on
Speaker 1: the ground and and then he came out of the
Speaker 1: pile and just slays it. You know, people get on
Speaker 1: Joe Buck for the Randy Moss mooning call. But the
Speaker 1: fact that when NFL Films puts together a highlight package
Speaker 1: of the Eli to Tyree pass, the helmet catch, and
Speaker 1: Buck doesn't even show up and do a good job
Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, he tased. He treated it like it
Speaker 1: was like a third and ten out, just in like
Speaker 1: a week four preseason games. Eli Manning announced his retirement
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, retiring after sixteen seasons. He's thirty nine years old. Um,
Speaker 1: the Giants quarterback who was of course supplanted by Danny
Speaker 1: Dimes this year but was a rock for German for
Speaker 1: many years now heads into retirement and it makes sense
Speaker 1: mina uh. In fact, as a New York I all
Speaker 1: my friends are Giants fans. I was on a text
Speaker 1: chain just the day before this news broke and we're
Speaker 1: talking about that Eli is gonna retire probably soon, because
Speaker 1: when you looked at the landscape with all these older
Speaker 1: quarterbacks on the market and what Eli has been doing
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, it never made sense that
Speaker 1: he was going to find a place to start games
Speaker 1: or perhaps you know, he didn't want to be a backup,
Speaker 1: so this all made sense. But still it is the
Speaker 1: end of an era in New York I. Would love
Speaker 1: nothing more to come in here and defy I think
Speaker 1: what you all know I'm about to say about Eli Manning.
Speaker 1: I did not be what Damnachet calls us football cools, right,
Speaker 1: I would love to say, you know what, guys, you
Speaker 1: can't tell the story of football without Eli Manning, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, why is he the only person who
Speaker 1: gets that benefit? Do you ever people say that about
Speaker 1: anyone else other than Eli. There's a lot of guys.
Speaker 1: You can't tell the story of football without Hernandez one
Speaker 1: of them. It doesn't mean you put them in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Or if you want to look at
Speaker 1: Pat super Bowls, I mean they don't want any of
Speaker 1: them without Dante Hi Tower. That's the whole other thing, Um,
Speaker 1: Greg is compared Eli Manning too? Is it could be
Speaker 1: just one thing you consider about a candidate, right, Well,
Speaker 1: if you want Eli in the Hall, it's either two cases.
Speaker 1: One is longevity, which is I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people throw out because there's just too many guys who
Speaker 1: would get in by that. And then the other is
Speaker 1: the two super Bowls in the story thing. Um, that's
Speaker 1: just not how I would define it. Uh, it just
Speaker 1: becomes an argument about how do you define the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. I think my case against him has always
Speaker 1: been and I've been making this case for probably eight
Speaker 1: or nine years. So this is how long he's been average.
Speaker 1: He's just been average his entire career. Average in completion percentage,
Speaker 1: George per attempt, he's actually way below average, and all
Speaker 1: of the interception categories, passer rating, he's average. He's just
Speaker 1: for the time he entered the league to the time
Speaker 1: he left the league, he was an average quarterback over
Speaker 1: that span. I still don't like that being the conversation, though,
Speaker 1: when he retired, I almost I we've had this argument
Speaker 1: so many times that I think we're just tired of it,
Speaker 1: Like we've said everything that there is to say about
Speaker 1: Eli Manning in the Hall of Fame or Eli Manning
Speaker 1: in general. That I actually was annoyed almost yesterday that
Speaker 1: that's the conversation when a really great player who was
Speaker 1: a big part of the league, and you know, no
Speaker 1: matter whether he was a you know, a top five quarterback,
Speaker 1: now he never was. Maybe in two thousand and eleven
Speaker 1: I went through it once. I think I had him
Speaker 1: at a top five quarterback one year, a top ten
Speaker 1: quarterback only one other year. Yeah, that's not the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. But like immediately the second he retires, the
Speaker 1: entire conversation is like the start of the public Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame talk, which is I feel like gonna being
Speaker 1: never ending. People are so confident about what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: You don't know what's gonna happen. I don't even be confident.
Speaker 1: We were like, well, you know he will be in.
Speaker 1: It's like you don't know that. You don't know that
Speaker 1: at all. I think the Manning name, like this is
Speaker 1: not a new thought, but just that we've talked about,
Speaker 1: you know, royalty and stuff, that he's sort of this
Speaker 1: NFL family fixture that the people voting for this, I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna push Eli Manning right in. Not it
Speaker 1: maybe voters down the conversation. It depends on who he's against,
Speaker 1: though it really does. Conversation will be never ending for
Speaker 1: five years. Then he's going in. I'm sorry, and I
Speaker 1: don't listen. You said everybody discounts counting stats and of
Speaker 1: people get too caught up or will only point at
Speaker 1: the two rings and the two Super Bowl m vps.
Speaker 1: But I just think there's to be said if he
Speaker 1: didn't win those Super Bowls. He's he's not going to
Speaker 1: the Super he's not going to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: I get that, but there's something to be said, and
Speaker 1: it's always been I feel overlooked um, both on this
Speaker 1: podcast but in general because Eli can be a target.
Speaker 1: I feel like on Twitter that the Giants drafted him
Speaker 1: or the Chargers technically, but the Giants uh brought him
Speaker 1: into the team in two thousand four. They put him
Speaker 1: in the lineup in around October that year, and then
Speaker 1: they never had to think about the quarterback position again
Speaker 1: for the next ten, eleven, twelve years. And I know
Speaker 1: things didn't end very well, but they should have been
Speaker 1: thinking about it when you're when you're talking about alright,
Speaker 1: ten years, Okay, I'm gonna say ten years. When you
Speaker 1: think about other teams, think about your Browns, Mark my Jets,
Speaker 1: so many other teams in the league, UH that go
Speaker 1: through a constant search at churn looking for a guy,
Speaker 1: and you end up with a stop gap and a
Speaker 1: rookie you stinks, and then a stop gap and then
Speaker 1: another rookie and maybe you hit on something like the
Speaker 1: Seahawks got Russell Wilson. They don't have to think about anything.
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's a better player than Eli, but Eli for
Speaker 1: ten twelve years they put him in there. He did
Speaker 1: his job. He was not spectacular, but he was steady.
Speaker 1: You never had to worry about him getting hurt because
Speaker 1: he never did. He's the most durable player ever. You
Speaker 1: never had to worry about him saying stupid something stupid
Speaker 1: to the media. He always handled that very well. You
Speaker 1: never had to worry about him getting into like a
Speaker 1: behind the scenes drawn with a coach and and something
Speaker 1: exploding and him being at odds and using the media
Speaker 1: to get a point across and all that stuff. He
Speaker 1: was a Walter Payton Man of the Year guy. He
Speaker 1: was a total good dude. And in those two playoff runs,
Speaker 1: then you factor that in for me, he rose up
Speaker 1: in a historic way. And that didn't just beat anybody.
Speaker 1: Didn't beat the Jacksonville Jaguars, you know, didn't beat uh Pittsburghs.
Speaker 1: There's he beat the Patriots, and he'd beat Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: and he beat uh Tom Brady. And if to me,
Speaker 1: if that's not something that should be given added points.
Speaker 1: Knowing who the Patriots are and what they represent in
Speaker 1: this era of NFL football, I'm sorry, I disagreed to
Speaker 1: just kind of just view the out is, Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he beat the Patriots. No, he beat the greatest team
Speaker 1: of all time, the bettest, greatest quarterback in the greatest
Speaker 1: head coach. I think that means a lot, right playing Okay,
Speaker 1: in that Super Bowl, I don't think he would say
Speaker 1: he had the best game. Even the play he's known for,
Speaker 1: you know, it is a is a crazy play that
Speaker 1: could never be replicated. The run is what I remember
Speaker 1: most fondly of L. A. Manning. I think people kind
Speaker 1: of forget that one that the last game of the
Speaker 1: regular season that they played, I think it was against
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and then the three games in the NFC
Speaker 1: playoffs and that Super Bowl. He had a collection of
Speaker 1: some of the most improbable, low percentage, awesome throws for
Speaker 1: a five week stretch that you'll ever see. Joe Flacco
Speaker 1: kind of had a somewhat similar run, and he had
Speaker 1: little moments like that the year after they won the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl two thousand and eight. He was really good
Speaker 1: throughout the year. But they didn't win the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: because of the L. A. Man And they want it
Speaker 1: because of their defense. I mean they want it because
Speaker 1: of justin Tuck, and it's equally reductive to me to say, oh,
Speaker 1: they one because of he was he was he was
Speaker 1: a part of it. Tuck to get into the I
Speaker 1: mean to kind of connected back to the High Tower.
Speaker 1: No one's out here making a case for High Tower.
Speaker 1: You kind of do you like to throw this one?
Speaker 1: I I think he is the single most important, like
Speaker 1: outside of Brady and Gronk, Like the Patriots don't have
Speaker 1: this run of Super Bowls without Dante. High Tower, I think,
Speaker 1: and I don't think Dante belongs in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: But you could every all the cases we're making for Eli,
Speaker 1: you could just as easily make for like twenty other
Speaker 1: random players are not quarterbacks. The case you've made for you,
Speaker 1: I think it's a case why he's a great, memorable
Speaker 1: NFL figure. It's just that's different than an archist. Whether
Speaker 1: he've also talked about it. Forever didn't excel his position.
Speaker 1: He was not a top ten quarterback, I would say,
Speaker 1: for every year but two of his career, and there
Speaker 1: was no one in the Hall of Fame. You can
Speaker 1: say that. They've also said Forever and West. You've quoted
Speaker 1: Vince Lombardi on this that the quarterback, it's just the
Speaker 1: most important for position position. It's where the spotlight is
Speaker 1: and that comes with way more pressure to it in
Speaker 1: Dante Hio Tower, where his position is. I just think
Speaker 1: what Eli was able to do in that spot in
Speaker 1: those two years is something you can't take away from
Speaker 1: him and and say, oh, he was carried to those
Speaker 1: titles because I don't. I just don't see it that way.
Speaker 1: I think you've you stated the case very well. I
Speaker 1: just think it falls shy of the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: I think if you're a Jets fan like Dan, or
Speaker 1: you're a Browns fan and you've seen nothing but uh,
Speaker 1: you know, ship wrecked chaos at the quarterback position, that
Speaker 1: the idea that you would draft someone who would play
Speaker 1: as Eli did before a PR stunt got him benched.
Speaker 1: You know, a couple of years and you've never missed
Speaker 1: the game to injury, right, twelve straight years of sixteen starts,
Speaker 1: and by the way they stunt got him benched, he
Speaker 1: got himself. Well that's fine, but I'm saying but also,
Speaker 1: I just think if you were a Giants fan in
Speaker 1: you in you draft, you draft Philip Rivers and he
Speaker 1: did what he did, But you get Eli Manning out
Speaker 1: of it, and you know he's gonna win two Super
Speaker 1: Bowls and essentially be a total iron man at the position.
Speaker 1: He's a Hall of Fame to a lot of Giants fans.
Speaker 1: I get that, Um I don't think he belongs in
Speaker 1: eating either. Reading a story, just reading up on Eli's career,
Speaker 1: I completely forgot the whole two thousand seventeen. Ben McAdoo,
Speaker 1: I don't even where is Ben these days, but Jacksonville
Speaker 1: Jack Ben mcadov all, he's resurfaced. Bec his plan when
Speaker 1: Eli was I admit that he was in the tank
Speaker 1: at this point in his career. Ben mcdow's plan was
Speaker 1: to have Eli play the first half to keep his
Speaker 1: starting streak of life, and then bring in Greg's boy,
Speaker 1: Gino Smith. He was he wanted to do the play
Speaker 1: the halves thing. We'll always say that starting that Gino
Speaker 1: had against the Raiders is underrated. He played pretty well
Speaker 1: in the game. Will always say that Eli durability thing
Speaker 1: is underrated, Like, we cannot talk about that enough because
Speaker 1: you're Greg said, he doesn't want to get to the
Speaker 1: all Fame debate right away, So let's that that would
Speaker 1: be where I would focus on him because it's truly remarkable.
Speaker 1: I mean, they asked us to I do this daily
Speaker 1: show ESPN Daily Check it Out, and at the end
Speaker 1: of the show would do like a monologue, and you know,
Speaker 1: they're saying, well, what do you you want to say about
Speaker 1: Eli Manning. I was like, well, I kind of just
Speaker 1: want to talk about how durable he was in the
Speaker 1: game that to me, it's not the Super Bowls, but
Speaker 1: it was the the NFC Championship against the Niners. I'll
Speaker 1: never forget that his best watching him. I mean every
Speaker 1: picture from that game, his helmet is slightly skew because
Speaker 1: I think he was hit like, you know, five hundred
Speaker 1: times or some twenty knockdowns or something. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I've ever seen anything like that. So it's pretty remarkable. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, well we'll have this conversation again and uh
Speaker 1: in five years when the All of Fame vote occurs.
Speaker 1: So let's stick a pin in this. Are we still
Speaker 1: doing be doing this in five years? I mean we
Speaker 1: were looking through uh you know, here's a peek behind
Speaker 1: the curtain in our you know, database, to see if
Speaker 1: we had had this conversation or whatever you want to say.
Speaker 1: I couldn't know. I could. I looked in the little
Speaker 1: you know whatever you called the art nineteen thing, and
Speaker 1: the idea that we have curtains is strong. We don't.
Speaker 1: And we searched to see have we had the what
Speaker 1: earned players are Hall of Famer's conversation before and it
Speaker 1: was like yes, But in two thousand and fourteen, it's like, gosh,
Speaker 1: you've been doing this. Where's the love that we get
Speaker 1: for being durable? Where's that monologue on ESPN down specifically
Speaker 1: from the employer? Very little love? Never miss a start? Alright,
Speaker 1: Mark did miss the show for what was it last week?
Speaker 1: Your I couldn't close. I had an eye issue. That
Speaker 1: is not how I would describe That is not how
Speaker 1: I describe it. All right, Boomerang, I are from Mark.
Speaker 1: Here we go. Other news in the league, Gary Kubiak's
Speaker 1: back in a chair. The o C Chair rap Sheet
Speaker 1: reported Thursday the Vikings will make Kubiak the new OC.
Speaker 1: He spent the twenty nineteen season as the Vikings assistant
Speaker 1: head coach and offensive advisor, and uh he got a
Speaker 1: lot of the credit for the run scheme um that
Speaker 1: he used as a head coach in Houston and Denver.
Speaker 1: He's a big play action guy. So now Kevin Stefanski
Speaker 1: goes to Cleveland, and I always felt like Gary was
Speaker 1: maybe looking over Kev's shoulder the whole time West and
Speaker 1: now Kubiaks in the chair feels like a good match
Speaker 1: with Kirk, right, Yeah, I don't. I wonder how much
Speaker 1: this will change things. I guess he'll be actually calling
Speaker 1: the plays, whereas last year it was more like he
Speaker 1: installed the offense and then Stefanski called the plays. But
Speaker 1: Greg likes to say all the time Andy Reid is
Speaker 1: the best offensive mind of his generation or this century.
Speaker 1: And I think the guy who's often lost in that
Speaker 1: conversation is Gary Kubiak, who's been highly successful everywhere he's gone,
Speaker 1: who basically, you know, Mike Shanahan gets a ton of
Speaker 1: credit for Kyle, but I think Kyle spent more time
Speaker 1: in the NFL around Gary Kubiak than father. You're a
Speaker 1: great shin. I mean that that combination there, Kubiak and
Speaker 1: Stefanski together a couple and some men, didn't you have
Speaker 1: some of Stefanski? He maybe this is the time for him.
Speaker 1: I forgot about this. It was teased before we came
Speaker 1: on that me and had a Kevin Stefanski scoop. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I know we got you know, and Brown's interest here. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm just hoping it's not disastrous news that you're about
Speaker 1: to break. So this kind of brings it back to
Speaker 1: the family. We've been talking about our family members and
Speaker 1: their interests or lack of interest in our careers. Um So,
Speaker 1: my husband Nick uh does not watch football, does not
Speaker 1: it's not a sports guy at all. But one day
Speaker 1: he comes home and he's like, hey, He's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like Kevin Stefanski seemed like he didn't put it
Speaker 1: away and let me first. He said, it is Kevin
Speaker 1: Stefanski like a big deal, And I said yeah, he
Speaker 1: just pretty big deal. And he's like, what about Joe
Speaker 1: Judge Is he also a big deal? I was like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is recently. He's like yeah, He's like I know
Speaker 1: them both from high school. So he's so excited to
Speaker 1: tell me this guy. I got the scoop for you,
Speaker 1: the scoop of the century. Joe Judge st Joe's prep Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: Joe they were both quarterbacks, and he said, Joe Judge,
Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski took his job. Joe Judge had a transfer
Speaker 1: out of Saint Joe's Prep because Stefanski was the better
Speaker 1: quarter You have no idea how excited Mark is going
Speaker 1: to go back and well and according to my husband,
Speaker 1: the better dude, great classmate, good friend, nice guy, excellent
Speaker 1: at calculus, giving you all the inside analytics. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is kind of a fun story, like quarterback transfer
Speaker 1: or whatever. And you know, I'm gonna just double check
Speaker 1: no one's written this. Adam Schefter had it four days
Speaker 1: before me went to high school. Guys, I was thinking
Speaker 1: it could have been you're like your summer splash piece,
Speaker 1: like the time when Stefanski stole Judge's job and I
Speaker 1: had the most inside of sources. Jeff there does a
Speaker 1: great work. But you know what, the one thing you
Speaker 1: still have to me the top You know how they
Speaker 1: teach in journalism school the inverted triangle. To me, the
Speaker 1: top headline or the top part of the story. Though,
Speaker 1: is that one of these guys as a jerk. I
Speaker 1: didn't say that. I just said one is a lesser
Speaker 1: man than the other, according to high school. According to
Speaker 1: my husband, who also, by the way, interviewed Kevin Stefanski
Speaker 1: for the St. Joe's Prep hoklet and is available. He
Speaker 1: tells me for any interviews to talk about the experience.
Speaker 1: Probably the first interview of Stefanski Um. He was very
Speaker 1: high on Kevin. Well, I'm just taking the rest of
Speaker 1: the show off because you know, when things start to
Speaker 1: go well, check out and just enjoy. That was a
Speaker 1: close If if it was the fancy get lost the job,
Speaker 1: we would have lost Mark. Yeah, that would have been it.
Speaker 1: I don't need it. I don't need any more negative
Speaker 1: type news. This is the opposite. Thank you, Um, just
Speaker 1: really Cooklean Kubiak though cubes Um wasn't he supposed to
Speaker 1: retire because of his health like this is I mean,
Speaker 1: the dude can't quit football. And I agree with you.
Speaker 1: He's been immensely successful everywhere he's gone. His fingerprints are
Speaker 1: all are all over the Shanahan run game, every offense
Speaker 1: he's touched. But is a dispassionate life worth living well?
Speaker 1: There was not trying to survive. That's post cancer. Well,
Speaker 1: of course, I mean you have to go through all
Speaker 1: that when you suffer a big health scare. What's worth
Speaker 1: what makes it worth living well? The thing I found
Speaker 1: weird last year at this time was Ian Rappaport would
Speaker 1: say that Kubiak didn't want the head coaching jobs because
Speaker 1: of his health, because yeah, the stress, but but the
Speaker 1: coordinator thing seemed fine, which is one of the more
Speaker 1: underrated John Elway um mistakes. I think of the last
Speaker 1: few years, you you love killing your boy. He somehow
Speaker 1: let Kubiak get out of the get out of the
Speaker 1: building last I mean, Kubyak wanted that job, and it
Speaker 1: seemed like he wanted to have his whole, the whole
Speaker 1: Kubyak Click crew. He's got Clint Kubiak, He's got a
Speaker 1: couple others. I think, what is his name, Donald's you know,
Speaker 1: he's got the same assistance and they couldn't come to
Speaker 1: as he didn't And it's always laughed by the way,
Speaker 1: according to Dan if you're wondering if we're and instead
Speaker 1: he got Scangarrello who last year and now he's he's
Speaker 1: weird and don't forget he also had Kyle Shandan in
Speaker 1: the building. And then he looked advanced Joseph and went,
Speaker 1: this one's r that's true. What is that? Boys don't ask? No,
Speaker 1: it's not my eloy that is um. I just I
Speaker 1: like it because I feel like this whole year in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: you never knew who was calling the shots, not just
Speaker 1: between um Cubes and Kevin, but also between Zimmer and
Speaker 1: then when they were like running the ball way too
Speaker 1: much early on, everybody was questioning who's really making these decisions.
Speaker 1: I think that's a huge question mark. And Stefanski is wait,
Speaker 1: one of the best play callers in the NFL is
Speaker 1: sitting next to you in meetings potentially doing all the work,
Speaker 1: and you're getting hired for the head coaching. Great good
Speaker 1: looking man, though another of a problem with the way
Speaker 1: he looks. Another family tie into the show, um My
Speaker 1: brother Kevin danger hands is It's good to have a
Speaker 1: prominent Kevin pop up on the scene because I feel
Speaker 1: like we'd been in a slump, like Kevin in a
Speaker 1: big spot Pat Kevin Well Bacon has been around forever, though,
Speaker 1: I mean a fresh Kevin on the scene is the
Speaker 1: l Kevin James was getting a little stale. We need
Speaker 1: to do it all right, Let's move on. Speaking of Flower,
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur, this was interesting. A couple of things, A
Speaker 1: couple of nugs around the packers. First of all, Mike Patton,
Speaker 1: he will remain the defensive coordinator. Although la fleur kind
Speaker 1: of said he had to think about some things before
Speaker 1: making a decision, he decides that la fleur Um will
Speaker 1: return to the staff, even after a very grizzly, uh
Speaker 1: downfall for the Green Bay defense in the NFC title game.
Speaker 1: And then I just wanted to play a quote from
Speaker 1: Matt from his press conference on Wednesday that jumped out
Speaker 1: to me a little bit. I'm curious if you guys agree.
Speaker 1: That's something that I'm still trying to figure out right
Speaker 1: now as we speak. I mean, I don't understand that
Speaker 1: because you're there, you have an opportunity to go to
Speaker 1: playing a Super Bowl, and for that to happen, it's
Speaker 1: it's extremely it's bothersome, and we gotta look at ourselves, everybody.
Speaker 1: My I gotta look inside it myself and see why
Speaker 1: why weren't our players playing with their hair on fire?
Speaker 1: I think every everybody in our organization has to do that,
Speaker 1: you know. I thought it was interesting to hear a
Speaker 1: coach talk about that and talk about his team's lack
Speaker 1: of passion and fire when it's connected to the conference
Speaker 1: championship game. Now, you sometimes you hear a coach talk
Speaker 1: like this, in Week six after a game where a
Speaker 1: team just has a no show. But that was a
Speaker 1: little bit of, I don't know, a little bit of
Speaker 1: red flag that he's admitting it and talking in the
Speaker 1: media that his team didn't show up for the NFC
Speaker 1: title game kind of sounded like his quarterback there just
Speaker 1: you know, some of those spicy quotes that you can um.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's right, he is right. I guess I'm
Speaker 1: surprised that he spoke on it publicly because it's kind
Speaker 1: of isn't it a on some level when the team
Speaker 1: doesn't show up something you could see it as a
Speaker 1: direct reflection of the head coach. Well, he tried to
Speaker 1: say that. I mean, I think he was just recognizing
Speaker 1: the obvious that the defense and Aaron Rodgers, but I
Speaker 1: would say that those the defense as a whole, was
Speaker 1: just blown off the ball and was blown away. And
Speaker 1: I think if you watch them, you have to come
Speaker 1: to that conclusion. Like the two Smith brothers, you know,
Speaker 1: Darius and Preston Smith we talked about all year and
Speaker 1: Kenny Clark, they got railroaded. I mean, they they got
Speaker 1: they got crushed. But I read this the Bob McGain
Speaker 1: Weekly Grades that he gives the Packers, which is always
Speaker 1: he goes on the athletic and this one was like
Speaker 1: from a crime scene. I mean, he went in on
Speaker 1: these guys and Rogers he basically the entire defense and
Speaker 1: Rogers is having, you know, the worst games of their careers,
Speaker 1: and the defense especially just kind of getting physically manhandled
Speaker 1: and mentally just out of it. Let me ask you
Speaker 1: guys this because I would. I was just thinking through
Speaker 1: this as I look ahead to how do you stop
Speaker 1: this San Francisco offense from humiliating you with the run
Speaker 1: game the way they did? How much of that would
Speaker 1: you put on effort, execution, broken tackles, that kind of thing,
Speaker 1: some of the secondary being out, Um, the Smith's not
Speaker 1: showing up, and how much would you put on scheme
Speaker 1: and Petton not making adjustments, not putting some of his
Speaker 1: defensive players in the right position to succeed. I felt
Speaker 1: like I saw both happening at the same time. Um,
Speaker 1: which is the very first lady esque answer, what do
Speaker 1: you think? Well, after reading about this, the specific game
Speaker 1: plan from the forty Niners was We're going to attack
Speaker 1: the Smith brothers in the running game, so they're not
Speaker 1: pass rushing us. Basically, we're going to go to the
Speaker 1: edges and take them out, and it worked. So I
Speaker 1: think when you're talking scheme like that has to be
Speaker 1: a big credit to Kyle Shanahan there, and I tend
Speaker 1: to credit him more than I blame Petton. I think.
Speaker 1: I mean, Kyle Shanahan there are we're hearing now, and
Speaker 1: we talked about it before the game. Kyle Shanahan had
Speaker 1: a year plus to scout Mike Petton and did a
Speaker 1: better job of scouting Mike Petton than Mike Petton did.
Speaker 1: I mean forget a year. I mean, I think was
Speaker 1: a bit of a controversial relationship to what they were.
Speaker 1: There was definitely not the coziest of friendships there, and
Speaker 1: I didn't just I just give it to Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: for understanding how to attack pett And they crossed two
Speaker 1: hundred yards on the ground four times this season, so
Speaker 1: it's not out of their DNA the Niners to do this.
Speaker 1: They had, Yeah, and they had some The Packers had
Speaker 1: some no shows. I mean, for a for a team
Speaker 1: that only lost four games. The four that they lost,
Speaker 1: none of them were competitive, three were just blowout. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The most concerning thing for me is if you're a
Speaker 1: Packers fan, it shares a lot of connective tissue with
Speaker 1: the meltdowns you saw with Don Caper sitting up in
Speaker 1: the booth and his little hair flying around and the
Speaker 1: Packers no showing and in January game on defense, I
Speaker 1: put him on the coaching being one step ahead of
Speaker 1: the other team. And then the fact that you've already
Speaker 1: gotten blown out by this team one time, and maybe
Speaker 1: you know they they had to have the forty Niners
Speaker 1: had to have felt that they had the Packers numbers
Speaker 1: and everything proved them right. I'm sorry just saying that
Speaker 1: was the Kaepernick was this last time they got ran
Speaker 1: on that like that, and everyone put it on Capers
Speaker 1: as well. I just think it's personnel too. At the
Speaker 1: end of the day, that just didn't have good linebackers
Speaker 1: and you just can't beat And this this is a
Speaker 1: real concern for me with Kansas City is again go
Speaker 1: back and forth, go back and forth. In this game.
Speaker 1: It's real hard to stop this Niner's offense if you
Speaker 1: don't have linebackers. If you played that La Fleur good Ones,
Speaker 1: for a non sports fan, the reaction would be, why
Speaker 1: is this person with a monotone talking about not playing
Speaker 1: with your hair on fire. It comes from the person
Speaker 1: with the monotone. What was that take about Dom capers hair,
Speaker 1: little hair flying around? I mean that just I feel
Speaker 1: like Dom's hair doesn't move. It's the cutaways to him
Speaker 1: looking out completely died, amused and befuddled in the booth.
Speaker 1: Is that got like tamped down? Well? I think the
Speaker 1: whole thing that, Yeah, Dom was it. It looked like
Speaker 1: it had you know, perished fifteen years before, and he
Speaker 1: had purchased it. I don't mean to speak too much
Speaker 1: on it, but yeah. Uh. In other coaching news, the
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars are hiring former Redskins head coach Jake Gruden
Speaker 1: Fox and he is there exactly next offensive coordinator. Uh.
Speaker 1: This quote from Doug Moron, who obviously does not see
Speaker 1: the meteor heading towards come on, coach Dog is one
Speaker 1: of the brightest offensive minds in football, and I'm pleased
Speaker 1: to welcome him to the Jacksonville Jaguars. Now, he didn't
Speaker 1: say this, but he could say it and it wouldn't
Speaker 1: make sense. And he is also a perfect choices in
Speaker 1: term coach. When I'm fired on Holliday, I will sandwich
Speaker 1: prop right here. Yeah, Jay Gruden is in and Doug
Speaker 1: Moron is out by this time in two thousand twenty two,
Speaker 1: So within the next two calendar years, Gruden is in,
Speaker 1: is the head coach, and Maron You're not bold enough. Basically,
Speaker 1: at some point Jay Gruden will be the Jagguars head coach,
Speaker 1: head coach this year al right before that, this time
Speaker 1: next year Bruden Gruden is in and Maron it would
Speaker 1: be ten months from now, right. I still think it
Speaker 1: was a great move because their offense is and Jake
Speaker 1: Gruden is is underrated and as I still believe he's
Speaker 1: a great play caller and has done a very good
Speaker 1: job almost everywhere it's in Washington. So I don't know
Speaker 1: you're gonna get for Maron. No, it's a terrible why
Speaker 1: because they need they need something, they need something to
Speaker 1: fix the offense. It's just going to happen with an
Speaker 1: all serious and other ready made inside choice for a
Speaker 1: coke in it but is on fire, he's no matter what,
Speaker 1: so they have to win. Well, that's true too. I
Speaker 1: like it for Minshew. I mean, just set aside the
Speaker 1: our concerns about Maroon first, assuming the man as could
Speaker 1: be real bad next year. But um, you know Cruden's
Speaker 1: a West Coast guy. Yeah, I'm not You're right, they
Speaker 1: could go in a lot of different directions with corporate.
Speaker 1: But if they is Minshew, I'm saying, you know, like
Speaker 1: a quick passing game, a little more play action for
Speaker 1: Gardener seems what about nick falls? What is going to happen?
Speaker 1: That's an interesting subplot. I don't think he is because
Speaker 1: of the money, and he's not a terrible quartback to
Speaker 1: have and maybe Minshew is the starter, Like you just
Speaker 1: eat so much money to get rid of him. It
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense if you found a trade partner
Speaker 1: that takes off a little bit of the money, but
Speaker 1: it's still you're eating all this money to not have
Speaker 1: him on your oster. Counterpoint, can you tell the story
Speaker 1: of football without Nickles? But he's also not going to
Speaker 1: be heading to Canton twice? Oh yeah, I'm sorry. That's
Speaker 1: that's the bar, and you really can story in all seriousness,
Speaker 1: that's a high bar if you do it twice. Yes,
Speaker 1: I can't take you on your sandwich prop because it
Speaker 1: was the first thing I came to my mind. So
Speaker 1: if I were to, I don't want to root against it,
Speaker 1: and I also know I can't get sandwiches by you know,
Speaker 1: going with you so well, I already knew it was
Speaker 1: the first thing that came to your mind, because I
Speaker 1: know you. Okay, alright, real quick, let's jump into the
Speaker 1: fish tank. Um. The Dolphins and their general manager Um
Speaker 1: are Chris Career. They quote fully expect Ryan Fitzpatrick to
Speaker 1: be back with the team next year, the thirty seven
Speaker 1: year old who had a really nice season UH for
Speaker 1: the Dolphins under very difficult circumstances. Um is obviously a
Speaker 1: guy who works as a stop gap. But the whole idea,
Speaker 1: I mean of the build up and the tanking was
Speaker 1: to start over and start over at quarterback. Doesn't make
Speaker 1: sense to be paying Ryan Fitzpatrick pretty good money when
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna go get a quarterback in the first round.
Speaker 1: The only the thing I don't like about it is that, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're going to get a quarterback. ST. Two is probably
Speaker 1: right the leader in clubhouse, assuming the fifth overall you
Speaker 1: can get him there, they might have to trade up.
Speaker 1: He expected four quarterbacks to go in the top fifteen,
Speaker 1: so get one. Oh my god, Jacob Eason, it's gonna happen. Um.
Speaker 1: Huskies fan so anyways, I don't love the idea of
Speaker 1: fits being the veteran backup behind the rookie, ready to
Speaker 1: pounce and out play him at every turn. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know we think of him, you know, he's a
Speaker 1: great guy, good mentor, But I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: That kind of makes me nerve. I just feel like
Speaker 1: there's so many we have so many examples now of
Speaker 1: him coming in and out playing these young guys in
Speaker 1: Spurts and to Chicago and get on the backup to Trabinsky.
Speaker 1: I don't want to back up. Yeah, I don't want
Speaker 1: to see I don't start him over Trabinsky. I don't
Speaker 1: want to see Fitzpatrick. Also, just what will be his
Speaker 1: final season just sitting on the bench. Well, if it's
Speaker 1: if it's too to him, might not be Probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: be ready and maive million. It's the opposite. The contract
Speaker 1: is a huge bonus. He's making eight million next year,
Speaker 1: which is for a backup. Uh, not bad, Like I
Speaker 1: would love to see the for a guy who is
Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the a f C East last
Speaker 1: year and can start games for you. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that I wish to was a Fitzpatrick for every team
Speaker 1: in the league. Fitzpatrick. I just I thought it was noteworthy,
Speaker 1: just that he said that, because you know, Derek Carr's
Speaker 1: out here on Wednesday all upset with these quotes that
Speaker 1: why is everyone bringing up you know that other quarterbacks
Speaker 1: might be coming here? Because I forget what there was
Speaker 1: something this week that people were connecting Jamis to the
Speaker 1: Raiders like you would think, and he went through all
Speaker 1: Brady and here's why, because your coach made it very
Speaker 1: clear that they're evaluating the quarterback position and went out
Speaker 1: of his way to not promise you the job, whereas
Speaker 1: in Miami, I think they're basically promising it's Fitzpatrick in
Speaker 1: a rookie like they're making it pretty Do you think
Speaker 1: that sets up a nice transition? So you're right to
Speaker 1: a could come in, not play, fitz comes in, they
Speaker 1: mess around and win a few games. You can evaluate
Speaker 1: some of the guys. You know, you're williams Is whatever
Speaker 1: receiver they'd writ Do you think that could be like
Speaker 1: a nice Why not? I think as much as coaches
Speaker 1: seem to dislike Josh rosen Uh, they seem to love
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick. And if from a coaching staff angle, there
Speaker 1: it would be the perfect veteran. To West's point, every
Speaker 1: team would like to have a Bryan Fitzpatrick in that quarterback.
Speaker 1: It also kind of says they're out of the veteran
Speaker 1: quarterback market if they're being honest, which is a little
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Speaker 1: do want in Seattle. So that was you know, homecoming
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Speaker 1: I don't know why I was there. I was thinking, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm surrounded by like enablers, and well, isn't
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Speaker 1: have done a few. We did one in I know
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Speaker 1: any live ESPN Daily podcast? Not the super Bowl? Just
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Speaker 1: get to look at this. She probably gets her own packet.
Speaker 1: But um, the city of Miami has its own chapter
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Speaker 1: into it. Yeah, hey, why does he go to all
Speaker 1: of fame? We don't know. I think he does. Some
Speaker 1: other people in here don't think he does. And that's
Speaker 1: that's why sports are fun, because you get to talk
Speaker 1: about these things. But let's now get into players that
Speaker 1: are active in the NFL right now, Players that are
Speaker 1: in if their careers ended tomorrow. Okay, um, I have
Speaker 1: a list here. I think you guys have lists as well, potentially,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go through some names. Uh, we'll put
Speaker 1: it in categories and then you know, chime in with
Speaker 1: your own thoughts. Anybody I miss anyone you disagree with
Speaker 1: here to me are absolute no brainers. Tom Brady, Drew Brees, J. J. Watt,
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson, Aaron Donald, Larry Fitzgerald. Anybody disagree that those
Speaker 1: guys are the career ends tomorrow. They're in five years anyway,
Speaker 1: and I would disagree if their career ends tomorrow, they're done.
Speaker 1: Their their body of work is already complete. I think
Speaker 1: nailed that. Okay, I would put some more in that list,
Speaker 1: But okay, let me go to the next here, and
Speaker 1: then you guys tell me if they belong in the
Speaker 1: first here. I put these guys in the candy. There's
Speaker 1: no doubters to me. But they're not at the cinch
Speaker 1: that those other guys are Russell Wilson, your boy, Matt Ryan,
Speaker 1: Julio Jones, Richard Sherman, Bobby Wagner, Von Miller, Earl Thomas,
Speaker 1: and Justin Tucker. A lot of names. Tony dunge up
Speaker 1: in here like that. Um well, I think never forget.
Speaker 1: First of all, Aaron Rodgers should be in that first left.
Speaker 1: That's an over that's a classic oversight. You might get
Speaker 1: some heat on Matt Ryan from some people. I think
Speaker 1: I loved the Matt Ryan. I do too, but he's
Speaker 1: not a no doubter to me, And if and if
Speaker 1: his career ended tomorrow, he's definitely not a no doubter.
Speaker 1: I assume that we're in the section now where they
Speaker 1: have to keep playing a little bit. But he's saying
Speaker 1: if they think, oh you think, and you've not mentioned
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger at this point, oversight, but I'll put him
Speaker 1: in the tail end of no doubt. To me, Roethlisberger
Speaker 1: would be in the in the total fight me essentially,
Speaker 1: he would be in There's no way Ben roth I
Speaker 1: mean Ben Roethlisberger, you know, comparing him to Eli, I
Speaker 1: would say it was the top five quarterback seven or
Speaker 1: eight times, and Eli has been at twice. Thought experiment.
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes wins the Super Bowl this year, retires the
Speaker 1: next day. How could you, in good like face, how
Speaker 1: could you make a case for Eli over Pat Mahomes,
Speaker 1: who was the best quarterback in football two years and bowl.
Speaker 1: I want to know what Patrick Mahomes is retiring to do,
Speaker 1: because if he's going to build houses somewhere for developed country,
Speaker 1: the narrative, there's a there's a hook to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if it's just like I fell out of love with
Speaker 1: the game. I'm like, you know what, you know, sit
Speaker 1: on the couch and enjoy whatever you're doing. But but
Speaker 1: if he's got a hook. Interesting the Seahawks on this matter,
Speaker 1: I thought we're interesting, Earl Thomas, Bobby Wagner. I'm counting
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman as a Seahawk. Russell Wilson I think probably
Speaker 1: needs to he needs to play more, but he'll be
Speaker 1: He'll be all Wow. I would put Russell Wilson, Russell
Speaker 1: sure here whatever he's in the other three are I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm saying the defeated voting session here. Defensive players, it's
Speaker 1: hard for Earl because I mean, safeties already have a
Speaker 1: hard time getting it. I wonder when I made like
Speaker 1: a you know, I did a search on Pro Football
Speaker 1: Reference for the most first team All Pro since OH three.
Speaker 1: I just picked and Bobby Wagner was tied for first.
Speaker 1: That's what I was kind of going on. I built
Speaker 1: this list off all going into but I guess a
Speaker 1: couple of years he doesn't count as active anymore. I
Speaker 1: don't Richard Sherman, Is he definitely a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 1: I think I think what he's been able to do
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, especially this year and being
Speaker 1: on all again. I would like I would like it
Speaker 1: if Matt Ryan makes it, but I can't even even
Speaker 1: as a huge fan, I don't know about no doubt
Speaker 1: right now. Okay, here's what he needs to play a little.
Speaker 1: I agree with Greg he's I think he's going to
Speaker 1: get in eventually because his numbers by the time he
Speaker 1: retires are going to rank with anyone's in the history
Speaker 1: of the game. And a lot of people judge this
Speaker 1: stuff by numbers. You know who told me that Earl
Speaker 1: Thomas was a no doubt or for the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame And this is timely before me drell revs did
Speaker 1: not mention Richard Sherman to me. This is before you
Speaker 1: know the beef. But I think if you did the
Speaker 1: three Seahawks defensive players against each other, it would go
Speaker 1: Earl first and then Wagner or Sherman. Well, I think
Speaker 1: maybe I'm crazy, like you're the Seahawks fan. What what
Speaker 1: order is? There doesn't need to be an order. I
Speaker 1: think he's the more valuable dominant player. But the way
Speaker 1: we look at Hall of Fame and the accolades, I
Speaker 1: think he'll have a harder time getting in. You know,
Speaker 1: there is an as a woman who has a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl forty t too. So you're as die hard as
Speaker 1: they come. Um, these guys are all on the similar
Speaker 1: age range. There is a possibility that they could all
Speaker 1: go in the same year. You're in Canton for that, right,
Speaker 1: like you're there for the speeches of that happened, being
Speaker 1: emotional just thinking about it. Well, and Russell's pretty longer
Speaker 1: than any of them. Well, Russell could leave Russell out,
Speaker 1: but I mean that's a guy. Yeah, that could happen.
Speaker 1: Could happen. That would be fun. Anybody I've mentioned Justin Tucker,
Speaker 1: did that just go into the radar or him? I'm
Speaker 1: with you, and I think Johnny Hecker has probably headed
Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame. Tak, I think Johnny Hecker
Speaker 1: is the best punter in history. I like what about
Speaker 1: Adam Vinitary You're not You're you're on the fence with
Speaker 1: him shot. But I feel like, to be complete, I
Speaker 1: like that you put von Miller in that category, and
Speaker 1: I would agree with you. Okay, good, here's the maybe list.
Speaker 1: Now it gets a little dicey and Dominican Sue Tyron Smith.
Speaker 1: I'm even I don't even know how he out in here.
Speaker 1: I'm taking Khalil mack out. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: put him there. That was stupid. He's on the night yet,
Speaker 1: for he's on my night yet. Patrick Peterson I think
Speaker 1: probably ends up getting in. I think he's on that.
Speaker 1: And Andrew Whitworth. He'll be a fascinating case for how
Speaker 1: powerful PFF is because I would say, no under any
Speaker 1: normal um, how they've done Hall of Fame in the past.
Speaker 1: I think even that Andrew Worth that we're talking about
Speaker 1: it right now kind of Bengals probritically due to p F,
Speaker 1: which is interesting. I don't think it's a bad thing.
Speaker 1: When you play for the Brangles, your career doesn't matter
Speaker 1: to the rest of the league. So that's a problem
Speaker 1: he's got, right, which did you do know, Watkinsia, No,
Speaker 1: he's on my borderline perpetually on this dack. Martin should
Speaker 1: be on that. That's what when. That's why I went
Speaker 1: when he said, Tyrant, because Martin and Frederick are probably
Speaker 1: have better case to me, might have better cases. And
Speaker 1: obviously Frederick had the illness and Smith has just been
Speaker 1: so banged. Yeah, Tyrann Smith is still young. He needs
Speaker 1: he probably needs to have like a little resurgence Marshall
Speaker 1: yonda falling off a little quicker. It's tough to talk.
Speaker 1: Witten is also getting you haven't said Witten. Witten and
Speaker 1: Jason Peters are like on the ancient list. But we'll
Speaker 1: probably but he'll probably get in. I have one more, maybe,
Speaker 1: guy Greg, your boy Frank Gore. I thought I would
Speaker 1: put Frank Gore in. I don't know. I mean, but
Speaker 1: if we dismiss Eli Manning's counting stats and then we
Speaker 1: count Frank Gore's counting stats, like, well, what are we
Speaker 1: doing here? Well, first of all, the counting stats for
Speaker 1: running backs have declined over the year, so that makes
Speaker 1: Frank gore stats more impressive and Eli Manning is less impressive.
Speaker 1: I mean, I also would say the last yeah, the
Speaker 1: last few years of Gore have certainly helped a lot,
Speaker 1: But he had a lot of years as a top five,
Speaker 1: top six. I don't know about that. I think so,
Speaker 1: I think if you're years, would you say he was yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the club I love Frank, are right? I like Frank Bore.
Speaker 1: I would say, first of all, his second year where
Speaker 1: he had yards, don't have my computer, granted, but I
Speaker 1: would say after that, I know, I know the numbers
Speaker 1: aren't there. The numbers like yards from scrimmage would probably
Speaker 1: put him more like eight nine ten. But in terms
Speaker 1: of like the quality of his actual play and what
Speaker 1: general managers and coaches would want, I think he wasn't.
Speaker 1: I'm with but it's it's it's an interesting player to
Speaker 1: make a case against. I guess as well, but I'm
Speaker 1: with you. I mean, this is where I'm expected probably
Speaker 1: a total hypocrite because I lobby it against Eli and
Speaker 1: I love Frank Gore, and it is I think you're
Speaker 1: it's the same case basically or very similar. Like you said,
Speaker 1: the last few years of really helped him. But like,
Speaker 1: is it because he had five six hundred yards? I
Speaker 1: think it is forgettable team he gets credit for playing
Speaker 1: late to First of all, he had he had a
Speaker 1: thousand until he was thirty four, so he was the
Speaker 1: oldest guy to have over a thousand since the seventies.
Speaker 1: So it's not like he was playing poorly all those
Speaker 1: years after his eight yards season, where he goes fifteen fourteen,
Speaker 1: fifteen thirteen fourteen, The numbers aren't like astronomical, and those
Speaker 1: are yards from scrimmage I'm talking about. But I think
Speaker 1: in terms of like the quality per snap and what
Speaker 1: coaches and gms would want, they would have put him
Speaker 1: top five. I get that five. And also it's not
Speaker 1: just about stuff like this, but yards per attempted his
Speaker 1: last five seasons three point seven, three point nine, three
Speaker 1: point seven, four point six and three point six the
Speaker 1: last five years. The two thousand six season his second
Speaker 1: in the league, when he was like twenty three, and um,
Speaker 1: he was third in rushing yards that year. It was
Speaker 1: one of the best running back seasons I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: It just was I think the same year Ladanian Tomlinson.
Speaker 1: When you watch Frank Gore that year, I don't know,
Speaker 1: not cynically, actually something special. That was the last time
Speaker 1: he was explosive, brings something that out of Greg every time.
Speaker 1: All right, and here's a list. These are not yet
Speaker 1: and and Mark, this is where you could jump in
Speaker 1: help me out. You're saying that's I've had some omissions here.
Speaker 1: Let me know if I've missed any to this point.
Speaker 1: That should be in the first three tiers. And now
Speaker 1: throw by the way, that really interesting one that should
Speaker 1: be a Hall of Famer. The last four years have
Speaker 1: been ever since he left. Chance has a chance. I'd
Speaker 1: rather put Geno Atkins in myself. What about Gina Smith?
Speaker 1: Where are we at Smith with me? To see a
Speaker 1: little bit more? Did you see that coin toss he
Speaker 1: had this year? Now about Terrell Sucks? I have him
Speaker 1: written down. Yeah, I think he's on that borderline. Yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: Charles sucks. Not yet? Uh? I just this again, Cam Newton,
Speaker 1: I don't even know if he's that close, but this
Speaker 1: is gonna be a big stretch ram coming back, But
Speaker 1: he has an m v P. He was a very special,
Speaker 1: different important quarterback for most of this decade. Mike Evans,
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack, DeAndre Hopkins, Travis Kelsey, Stefan Gilmore, and Sam Donald.
Speaker 1: Anybody disagree with any of those? Sam Donald, well, I
Speaker 1: mean he could retire today as your mentioned. You know,
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, same situation. Can we get seam there might
Speaker 1: have have a slightly average season first? Kelsey's a good one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just receivers you left out? Just Mike Evans is an
Speaker 1: interesting choice. I don't know if I would have gone there.
Speaker 1: I mean, what about Julian edel uh Antonio Brown? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was I think you know, to Antonio, Brown is
Speaker 1: a no doubter um and I know you'll get there
Speaker 1: will be some conversation about how he's affected his team,
Speaker 1: which is fine the last year or two in league.
Speaker 1: I don't care. He's the best wide receiver. I would
Speaker 1: say he's the best wide receiver I've ever seen. Like
Speaker 1: he would he would be my number my number one.
Speaker 1: It depends what you like sort of, but I think
Speaker 1: at the very worst, he's in the mix of you know,
Speaker 1: Megatron or Julio Jones. He's at that level Randy Moss like,
Speaker 1: that's that's the level he's that. I mean, he blows
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald out of the water in terms of Larry
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald has two first team all they never did anything
Speaker 1: as great as Larry Fitzgerald's playoff runt. No, he does
Speaker 1: not blow him out of that. We don't really factor
Speaker 1: in playoffs too much room, I think accounts. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're both no doubts. It's just they're both no doubters.
Speaker 1: They're red zone counts, and Larry Fitzgerald for his entire career,
Speaker 1: was a better red zone weapon. You know, you have
Speaker 1: something to speak to break the time Antonio Brown is
Speaker 1: significantly more dominant than larf Fitzgerald. But another one both
Speaker 1: of you and well, that's well, Greg has a recency
Speaker 1: biased thing that we can never get over. Everything that
Speaker 1: happened in the last year or two is better than
Speaker 1: everything that came before. You've already got Patrick Mahomes is
Speaker 1: the greatest quarterback of all time. And then riddle me
Speaker 1: this because recently bias would you turn you against this guy?
Speaker 1: But if you consider his the records he shattered in
Speaker 1: his first few years in the league odahbuck Ham Jr.
Speaker 1: Now I know where we are with him, and he's
Speaker 1: certainly not a no doubter, but a couple year was
Speaker 1: the quickest, like a number of records, I'll put him
Speaker 1: in not not yet he could. I mean, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: in the middle of his career. And I don't think
Speaker 1: the Brown thing is controversial. I mean, at his peak
Speaker 1: and in terms of first team All pros did there's
Speaker 1: very few receivers in the last three definitely can't tell
Speaker 1: the story of football. Now you can, and and it
Speaker 1: should be said Antonio Brown if you want to like
Speaker 1: make the case to keep him out because he's been
Speaker 1: a knucklehead and he's had issues off the field. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm putting Turell Suggs in either well, and
Speaker 1: the voters are some other ones too explicitly told not
Speaker 1: to factor in any of that, but they do. They
Speaker 1: seem like you do. Antonio Gates was tired, and you
Speaker 1: would think Antonio Gates he'll go, He'll go against Elie
Speaker 1: like that. Please don't forget any because we're gonna get
Speaker 1: killed in Twitter if we forget somebody's favorite place. But
Speaker 1: unless do you have Taysom Hill on. Taysom Hill has
Speaker 1: not made it yet. He's just bellow, Sam Donald, looking
Speaker 1: at your list right now. By the end of the
Speaker 1: Taystom Hill story, we will be looking at the Hall
Speaker 1: of Him. Quarterback Harrison Smith is a really good choice. Harrison.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Borderline cam Jordan too, But he's on your
Speaker 1: not yet list. He has to Las Campbell isn't interesting.
Speaker 1: I saw him, thought about him. Eric Weddle. I don't
Speaker 1: I think Eric Weddle's gonna end up in the Hall
Speaker 1: of VI. I think he'll he'll get discussed Eric Weddle.
Speaker 1: But if yeah, Rodnie Harrison's not in it. It's tricky.
Speaker 1: There's so many of these positions Michael Thomas. Unless a
Speaker 1: major injury befalls him, that guy's definitely on the track.
Speaker 1: They're on their way. But I put him in like
Speaker 1: the Patrick Mahomes category. Right, Yeah, you had this whole
Speaker 1: list of young guys. He is interesting because Patrick Willis,
Speaker 1: for all the love we've given him, he was eligible
Speaker 1: this year. He wasn't even in the finalists. Well, that's
Speaker 1: because the voters do this whole waiting, wait your turn thing.
Speaker 1: There's like a pecking order that's like far away from
Speaker 1: Wayne in turn. I think he will get in eventually,
Speaker 1: but that's like he wasn't even on the short list
Speaker 1: right off the bat, which was surprised. Are you guys
Speaker 1: interested in a quick cliffs notes? I don't people don't
Speaker 1: even know what cliffs notes are anymore, but a quick
Speaker 1: look at what we were talking about in two thousand
Speaker 1: fourteen in the same exercise, because I dug it up,
Speaker 1: all right, these were the definities back then. Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, Adrian Peterson, Drew Brees. Greg at the time
Speaker 1: wrote He's the only one that raises my eyebrows. You
Speaker 1: weren't in on them on him back then, Bill Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick I guess we mentioned a coach there, Troy Paul, Troy,
Speaker 1: Paul Balo, Big Ben, Larry fits So, Larry Fitz. We
Speaker 1: all agreed it as a no brainer in Reggie Wayne,
Speaker 1: which there was a little pushback on Champ Bailey, Oh
Speaker 1: I can't say that. And then guys who were very
Speaker 1: close Megatron, J J. Watt, Aaron Rodgers, Rivas, Shady McCoy.
Speaker 1: Shady McCoy, you fell off. He's not even discussion. I
Speaker 1: think he is. I think he is still. He's gonna
Speaker 1: have a hard I'm making it, but there's a pretty
Speaker 1: strong argument that he was like the second best running
Speaker 1: back last decade. I completely forgot he was on the
Speaker 1: Chiefs conversation too. Would you put Pete Caroline No, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know where the bar is with coaches.
Speaker 1: I just haven't thought it is. It is tough to
Speaker 1: but everyone's always hating on Pete Carroll I just think
Speaker 1: he's he's reinventing himself times. Would you put him over
Speaker 1: guys like Mike Shanahan and Mike Holmgren. There's so many No,
Speaker 1: but I would. I would argue that more coaches should
Speaker 1: be put into the hall and the fact that we
Speaker 1: had to wait for Jimmy Johnson this long is absurd
Speaker 1: to me, totally absurd. All right, let's good conversation, guys,
Speaker 1: really fun before we get out of here, Let's hit
Speaker 1: the mail back. Let's do a few questions. Mina, I'm ready,
Speaker 1: sound good? Sounds good? All right? What is this from
Speaker 1: Eric Jensen? What is the current music of choice on
Speaker 1: the Heroes is playlist? And we'll include me and at
Speaker 1: comes as well right now. And I made this very
Speaker 1: clear in a private text to some of our closest
Speaker 1: friends this morning that I'm very into the Madonna album
Speaker 1: Ray of Light, specifically the single The Power of Goodbye,
Speaker 1: and that's That's what I'm all about. Good album. Mhmm,
Speaker 1: you brought rap snacks, Well, I'll do a rapper um again.
Speaker 1: Shout out to my husband who is a producer. A
Speaker 1: rapper that he produced is playing Blood Light concert in
Speaker 1: Miami this week's Channel Trace. Also he's in a commercial
Speaker 1: what's the name? His name is Channel Trace. And if
Speaker 1: you've been watching the playoff games, they've been doing these
Speaker 1: Apple commercials where they do like slow motion selfies. It's
Speaker 1: a song that they made. Oh the ladies face. That's
Speaker 1: Channel Trace. That's yeah, my husband produced that Channel Trace.
Speaker 1: Check it out. If you get a residual every time
Speaker 1: that that commercial gets on, Let's just say Lenny's eating
Speaker 1: Well yeah, except for you. Greg. You like rap um
Speaker 1: I do, but you like like a lot of other things.
Speaker 1: I've been listening to a a lot of high Women lately,
Speaker 1: which is like a country is you know music women
Speaker 1: band women or women multiple women. It's like a supergroup
Speaker 1: sort of copy love there the Highwaymen, which was like
Speaker 1: a country music. Oh I love the Highwaymen. See there
Speaker 1: you go West. How about you did anything? Uh that
Speaker 1: you're spinning? Like to um, have my favorite relaxant put
Speaker 1: on some jazz music and cook. But lately the Buena
Speaker 1: Vista Social Club album has been like that's getting a
Speaker 1: lot of run. Can't go wrong, Mark, I don't have
Speaker 1: a playlist. I know, I know that makes me absurd.
Speaker 1: I just I don't involved myself with it. Will Brinson
Speaker 1: asks who is on the Twitter council. This is It's
Speaker 1: good that Will ask us because this came up recently,
Speaker 1: the idea that they're during the playoffs. There's too many
Speaker 1: people tweet being relentlessly about the same game, and we
Speaker 1: need a council to decide who gets to tweet in
Speaker 1: these you know, high profile spots. Will is on the council, Mina,
Speaker 1: I think is on the council. Yeah, and by the way,
Speaker 1: I thought the council. But forget about now, now that
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it, forget about this first Lady of
Speaker 1: Sports Swayer. It's the president of Sports Twitter right here.
Speaker 1: So of course the president is going to be her
Speaker 1: majesty the president maybe like a Jamal Adam since where
Speaker 1: I'm not really the president, but I call myself that.
Speaker 1: No further than that, Okay, but you are on the council.
Speaker 1: You have to be because we we all trust your judgment.
Speaker 1: How many people are on this council? For I think, well,
Speaker 1: what how many do we have? Three? Right? You've got
Speaker 1: three there. I think three is the perfect number. Brinson
Speaker 1: and c Yeah, diversity of views, that's what we're looking for.
Speaker 1: And people that have for this role almost every minute. Yeh.
Speaker 1: Can't wait to see Brinson. Always it to see Brinson
Speaker 1: at the various tent pole events. UH This from Sing
Speaker 1: for the Day. Now back in Florida, as we head
Speaker 1: to UH, Will Mark and Gregg reunited jogging buddies and
Speaker 1: you can make you film it and put it to
Speaker 1: eighties montage music. Yessuh for people who don't know uh.
Speaker 1: During one of the owner's meetings a few years back,
Speaker 1: Mark and Greg put on running shorts and sneakers and
Speaker 1: I assumed like a pull over of some kind and
Speaker 1: went jogging together and bumped into Anderson Cooper. Yeah we didn't.
Speaker 1: I mean it was kind of totally surreal and striking
Speaker 1: to be jogging down the path with Greg, that part
Speaker 1: feeling norm and then suddenly, Anderson Cooper, You've made it
Speaker 1: thing I made together. People have been jogging together, and
Speaker 1: it's kind of for years, have you ever had a buddy?
Speaker 1: You guys have never run. I had a second base
Speaker 1: before the knee started barking. But it's just funny you
Speaker 1: guys running together and then we spoon it is I mean,
Speaker 1: it's I thought the whole thing was very one. It
Speaker 1: was one time. It was in Orlando, not in Miami. Um,
Speaker 1: but where I'm down, I'm definitely bringing some running clothes.
Speaker 1: Definitely bringing some running clothes. I'm gonna ask you a a
Speaker 1: football question. Mina from Alex Finnis. Sorry, I saw the
Speaker 1: visual of them in their short short and on the
Speaker 1: way back we saw that was the more memorable sighting
Speaker 1: to me was we saw Bill Belichick and Linda Holiday
Speaker 1: holding hands kind of sweaty coming back from the tennis court. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I almost said Linda trip but it was definitely not
Speaker 1: Linda trip It was Linda Holiday. I forgot about that
Speaker 1: so political on this podcast, Come on trip Um. She
Speaker 1: wasn't a very good friend. Was rotten tomorrow? She was
Speaker 1: not a very good friend. I've been listening to slow Burn,
Speaker 1: which is a good a good podcast about the Lewinsky skin.
Speaker 1: I'd recommend. Alex Flinnis asked which team do you think
Speaker 1: is most likely to do what the Niners have done
Speaker 1: and go from a losing record the season next year
Speaker 1: super Bowl? Not just get to the playoffs, go to
Speaker 1: the dance and it's very earlier stay because there's no
Speaker 1: draft and no free agency. But just for fun, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what was the Steeler's final record? Eight and eight? I
Speaker 1: believe not eligible doesn't count. Shoot, okay, he's got we
Speaker 1: got the standings. What if the Colts get a quarterback?
Speaker 1: The Colts with Philip Rivers, do we think they're going
Speaker 1: to move on with the cult of Jamis Winston. Let's fly.
Speaker 1: I'm going to answer one. Will you answer first? Yeah? Alright, well,
Speaker 1: men go Lions because Stafford looks so good before we
Speaker 1: went out. But I hate the rest of that. I
Speaker 1: would say the fact I'm going to go foul. They're
Speaker 1: not changing anything. Yeah. What about the Bengals with Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow going fourteen and two as they will? They don't
Speaker 1: wind playoff games. I've lost faith in the Chargers. Some
Speaker 1: weird stuff could happen with Miami. All right? How about
Speaker 1: this from uh Big Hicks A, how will the Sizzler
Speaker 1: get revenge on Greg for the wife oiled up? Comments?
Speaker 1: That's a fair question. I mean, why would I you know,
Speaker 1: what's this? What's this man's name or this person's name?
Speaker 1: That big hit, big hit? I mean, why would I
Speaker 1: reveal my plans verbally on the show right now? When
Speaker 1: you plot like revenge, it must be a slow cook
Speaker 1: affair and it will happen at the perfect time. Eric
Speaker 1: Sabo asks, I wonder if he's related to Chris Sabo
Speaker 1: West when he was a jarring juxtaposition of names there,
Speaker 1: Eric and Sabe. Should the Broncos take a QB in
Speaker 1: this upcoming draft, or have you already seen enough from
Speaker 1: Drew Lock West Well, I don't like the binary nature
Speaker 1: of the question. I haven't seen enough from Drew Lock,
Speaker 1: But I don't think that means they should take like
Speaker 1: a first round quarterback this year. They have other needs.
Speaker 1: The binary nature of this question is for I haven't
Speaker 1: seen enough from Drew Lock, I don't think they should
Speaker 1: draft the quarterback. So offensive coordinator. Now that's gone. Pat Shermer,
Speaker 1: get excited. Uh, Ricky this one. I want to tee
Speaker 1: you up because you did a nice job, Rick Hollywood.
Speaker 1: Um on Instagram. You're very youth oriented. Thanks, you're our
Speaker 1: connection to the zeitgeist. And you did a Q and
Speaker 1: A on Instagram, um and did very well. And someone
Speaker 1: asked about the best Super Bowl snack of choice, and
Speaker 1: I could not have agreed more with your answer. Please
Speaker 1: Buffalo chicken dip. You gotta you gotta do it. You
Speaker 1: gotta do It's like buffalo wings with better. But it's
Speaker 1: like the cream cheese and and and the shredded cheese
Speaker 1: on top and the hot sauce and dip you dip
Speaker 1: the tortilla chips in it. Oh many wins well in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: We have Skyline Dip, which is similar Skyline Chili with cream,
Speaker 1: cheese and chips. Could you do a vegan option of buffalo?
Speaker 1: I bet you could. I bet you could create a
Speaker 1: similar flavor. Yeah, definitely, we're gonna do buffalo sauce and
Speaker 1: like chunks of tofu or some you a meat eater,
Speaker 1: you know I am a meat eater. Chunks of tofu?
Speaker 1: Tell I don't eating, don't need chunks of to A
Speaker 1: couple more, Uh, this one, I'll open it up and
Speaker 1: Mina and your your big time in the podcast industries
Speaker 1: as well, So from Kier and Westbrook. Have any of
Speaker 1: you ever had a terrible nightmare slash romantic dream involving
Speaker 1: other members of the pod and did you tell them? So?
Speaker 1: I co hosted the Ridiculous Podcasts with my dog who
Speaker 1: I do about the Great Lenny, and I have had
Speaker 1: nightmares where he's in danger or so yeah, affirmative, Yeah
Speaker 1: I have. I've definitely had dreams about um, this crew,
Speaker 1: the three gentlemen in the room, and uh, they've some
Speaker 1: have been very disturbing and I've decided not to share
Speaker 1: them in No, not at all. But we were told
Speaker 1: by HR not to share our dreams with people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was I've kept it, you know, I've kept kept
Speaker 1: it under wraps. That was a direct order not to
Speaker 1: discuss your dreams. That was getting us in trouble. Or
Speaker 1: I don't think that question. Put that four questions. You
Speaker 1: gotta put that one on Kire in Westbrook. That was
Speaker 1: the hick. Mark. I'll close out with you from Sir
Speaker 1: Awesome of sauce Hey first time, long time. This question
Speaker 1: is for Mark. If you could go back and tell
Speaker 1: your younger self to be a fan of any other franchise,
Speaker 1: would you and for what team would you tell yourself
Speaker 1: to be a fan of? I'll hang up and take
Speaker 1: my answer on the air hashtag debate club. No, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't change I I know that seems absurd because it
Speaker 1: would be much more enjoyable had I naturally grown up
Speaker 1: in Giants Terry. Just the Giants territory, Pick the Giants.
Speaker 1: But I don't think I would even be sitting here
Speaker 1: if I rooted for some team that just wanted NonStop.
Speaker 1: I think football is as a fan is about pain too,
Speaker 1: and I it's the only positive of being a fan
Speaker 1: of a terrible team. It is character building. I feel
Speaker 1: I mean to be somewhat that's not occurred, but that
Speaker 1: is the potential is there for them. That's what's happening
Speaker 1: in the mail bag. Alright, Minah, listen, you came, you
Speaker 1: brought potato chips, You brought me Gooes barbecue and with
Speaker 1: my honey with a dab a ranch wrap snacks from way.
Speaker 1: This is some of the best gas station merch I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. The Cardi b Jerk barbecuere gonna save these
Speaker 1: for Colleen Chedder barbecue, which I didn't even know was
Speaker 1: a flavor. You take the Megoes you like rap and um,
Speaker 1: that was so nice for you to bring that. And
Speaker 1: you also brought up some sour gummy bears. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take one of us because my boys will love that
Speaker 1: same here. Um, all right, and how I played, You
Speaker 1: played hurt. You fought through some pain and you played hurt.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you know you're the best men and that's what
Speaker 1: you need to know about me. And she's the senior writer.
Speaker 1: She's one of the best football writers there is. Uh,
Speaker 1: so you gotta check out her stuff. Um. And also
Speaker 1: the great uh Daily ESPN Daily podcast, which going well,
Speaker 1: you feel good about it. So far. Yeah, we got
Speaker 1: into fun stuff like super Bowl Week. Yeah, we've been.
Speaker 1: We have my um friend Bill Barnwell on a lot
Speaker 1: to talk about the games. We'll be doing stuff from
Speaker 1: Miami all week, and then I do a straight football
Speaker 1: I do a straight football podcast called The Men to
Speaker 1: Come Show featuring Lenny that Greg has been a guest on. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: he has a hat on Greg Let's go. Probably for
Speaker 1: the same reasons I haven't been on Throwback. I told
Speaker 1: you have a standing in or way that you have
Speaker 1: a you have a baby on the way. I'm just kidding,
Speaker 1: but I did want to ask Mina a question. I
Speaker 1: saw your invited also to the Slowan Sports Conference. You
Speaker 1: are a person in high demand. There must be multiple
Speaker 1: times per week where you just think about going to
Speaker 1: the mountains and staying there for four months and just
Speaker 1: leaving everyone in the dust for a while. No, I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, I'm like I'm the Kuby Act of
Speaker 1: sports podcasters. I can't stay away. I can't turn down
Speaker 1: and longtime listener to this show. Not every week. I'll
Speaker 1: be honest. Sometimes I fall behind, but I'm cognizant of
Speaker 1: some of the inside jokes. Can you put that on
Speaker 1: like our box set release the inside jokes. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love this show, so thank you, and we love everything
Speaker 1: that you do. You're the best, and please come visit
Speaker 1: us again sometime soon. See you in You were a
Speaker 1: football playable, you know. I thought I had a great
Speaker 1: out there. It was perfect. Good. Alright, let's start the
Speaker 1: whole show over and get it right. All right, let's go.
Speaker 1: Dan hands a signing off. Oh, by the way, stay
Speaker 1: tuned for after a little Easter egg, Walking with Giants
Speaker 1: is back, signing off for a quiet storm, the Mailman,
Speaker 1: Mina Kimes, the Old Boss, and Rick Hollie behind the
Speaker 1: glass till Tuesday. It's that time, the time you all know,
Speaker 1: the time you've been waiting for. It's time for Walking
Speaker 1: with Giants. I'm your host, Chris Walking, Uber, New York
Speaker 1: football team fan, New Giants, New Jersey, more like, don't
Speaker 1: even play in New York. But nobody wants to associate
Speaker 1: any sport team with New Jersey, even the Nets moved
Speaker 1: to Brooklyn. They'd rather be associated with that Denna thieves.
Speaker 1: But I digress. We're here to talk about Eli Manning retiring,
Speaker 1: some say the greatest football player of all time. First
Speaker 1: bout Hall of Famer beat Tom Brady beating his bridges
Speaker 1: right off. His cute little face makes Peyton look like
Speaker 1: little Off and Annie running around with his little curly
Speaker 1: hair and his tiny little dress, hanging out with the
Speaker 1: big blob man. Eli, You've done so much for me.
Speaker 1: You've made me feel so good at least twice in
Speaker 1: my life. Anyway, I just want to say, it'll be
Speaker 1: great to see you play again in for the New
Speaker 1: York Giants. What does the word retire mean? By the way,