Speaker 1: Previously on the Dream, I had a patient who had
Speaker 1: a c section for a rest of descent, which means
Speaker 1: that you're one hundred percent dilated and you've pushed and
Speaker 1: the baby is not going to come out of the vagina.
Speaker 1: So this woman had a c section, and the next
Speaker 1: day she was still questioning the decision to have the
Speaker 1: c section, and she asked me, well, what would have
Speaker 1: happened a hundred years ago if I was in this situation.
Speaker 1: And I looked at it and I said, you and
Speaker 1: the baby both would have died. And she said, well,
Speaker 1: that's dramatic. Okay, so kind to make one of these
Speaker 1: protein shakes. Okay, it's gross. It's early October and I'm
Speaker 1: headed out to the first of many wellness treatments I've
Speaker 1: booked around LA. Sure, I've tried yoga and meditation and
Speaker 1: CBD and all the sort of normal or at least
Speaker 1: not outright criminal sounding wellness stuff. But I wanted to
Speaker 1: try the wilder ones, the ones that Gwyneth Paltrow and
Speaker 1: her friends know about but that I've never heard of.
Speaker 1: And in order to do that, we have to go
Speaker 1: to the cartoonishly wealthy part of la the part where
Speaker 1: enough people have enough expendable income to have really great
Speaker 1: health insurance and a house call service where they drip
Speaker 1: vitamins into your arm via I V while you sit
Speaker 1: on your beautiful couch in your formal living room filming
Speaker 1: your reality television show with your daughters. That's the stuff
Speaker 1: I want to see, though not that one in particular,
Speaker 1: because gross. So off we go on what we're calling
Speaker 1: my tour of hellness. Dan's here. Hi. Dan picks me
Speaker 1: up a little past nine am, which is rush hour, Yes,
Speaker 1: but every hour is rush hour when you're heading from
Speaker 1: the east side of LA to the uber wealthy west
Speaker 1: side like we are. The upshot to sitting in traffic
Speaker 1: like this is that I'm going to have a lot
Speaker 1: of time to explain to Dan what little I know
Speaker 1: about what's about to happen. Thank you for driving me,
Speaker 1: first of all, no problem, But yeah, okay, so why
Speaker 1: why are why are why am I driving you to Brentwood.
Speaker 1: What's happening here? Well? I actually I do want you
Speaker 1: to drive because I don't know what's about to happen,
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure if I'll be able to drive
Speaker 1: after what treatment is this? Though? Hand? All right, here's
Speaker 1: what happened. I started following a lot of wellness people
Speaker 1: and looking at well ills products and hashtags on Instagram
Speaker 1: and on my phone in general. And since Instagram knows
Speaker 1: everything you're doing, stuff started popping up in my feed
Speaker 1: and the service showed up called Reggie See here it is.
Speaker 1: How beautiful is that discover esthetic and curated beauty treatments?
Speaker 1: And so you put in your location, which is Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: and then you can scroll between like injectables, massages, body contouring, nails,
Speaker 1: and wellness. So I went to wellness. I searched and
Speaker 1: it lets you, like instantly book a bunch of weird
Speaker 1: wellness things. And that's how I'm getting all my stuff done.
Speaker 1: So let me scroll down to the one that we're
Speaker 1: doing today. We're headed to a place called Sauna Bar
Speaker 1: and on the booking site there's a very Cubrickian photo
Speaker 1: of something glowing. Is that the pod you're going to
Speaker 1: be in? I have no idea if it looks like
Speaker 1: a butterfly. There's two red pods opened up like you
Speaker 1: would lay in them. Oh, you're looking at the whole
Speaker 1: see I see two clamshells. It's a it's a wellness rush. Actess.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm gonna do today. It's called the Magnus Sphere,
Speaker 1: magnetic resonance technology to enhance relaxation while we'reliaving stiffness, pain
Speaker 1: and stress. I banged my calf this morning when I
Speaker 1: was putting my shoes on. I sat down on my couch, weird,
Speaker 1: and I in the corner of my couch I hit
Speaker 1: my calf. That's how I'm going to judge if the
Speaker 1: Magnus sphere works, because I can feel the soreness in
Speaker 1: my calf like I'm gonna get a Charlie Horse if
Speaker 1: I walk out of the magnusphere or roll out. I
Speaker 1: don't even know if you go in it, I don't
Speaker 1: know what if I hold, Maybe it's something you hold.
Speaker 1: So is there something like are we me magnetic? That's
Speaker 1: what I was going to ask the person when I
Speaker 1: get in there. I'm assuming so because we stick to
Speaker 1: the earth, Okay, but that's also just gravity. Sauna Bar
Speaker 1: is in a multi level mall with an open air
Speaker 1: atrium in the middle. There are a few sushi restaurants,
Speaker 1: a blow dry bar, some offices. The inside of this
Speaker 1: place is very white, white dusk and walls and white furniture.
Speaker 1: White is often the interior color of choice among very
Speaker 1: rich people. Go figure Kim, a self described wellness coach,
Speaker 1: is helping me out today and hands me a clipboard.
Speaker 1: I sit down to fill out my paperwork, and they're
Speaker 1: right in front of me. On a shelf is a
Speaker 1: display of essential oils for sale Dotera Essential Oils the
Speaker 1: MLM ya ya. When I'm finished, she walks me past
Speaker 1: those clamshell looking things Dan and I were puzzled by,
Speaker 1: And I guess that's not where I'm headed. Instead, I'm
Speaker 1: in a tiny room along with This looks cool. I
Speaker 1: didn't expect. So it's like a it looks like a
Speaker 1: little bit captain's chair space ship. Yeah, so should have
Speaker 1: been aprised. Captain's chair sort of you with, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: it looks like being inside of a giant wheel. Well,
Speaker 1: what you're going to lift up kind of like a
Speaker 1: captain's chair, and it's going to be leaning back. That
Speaker 1: goes all the way back. It does. It's not going
Speaker 1: to tip over. It does feel lay going to tip
Speaker 1: all the way back. It's a zero grammity position. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it's taking the pressure off your cavea bas sundation
Speaker 1: and what are you putting in that? What is this?
Speaker 1: That's what runs the different part, so it's connected with
Speaker 1: that's what tells us what to do. Okay, okay, So
Speaker 1: this is an electromagnetic resonance machine. Okay. Basically so that
Speaker 1: everything in life has an electrical sort of impulse and
Speaker 1: current to it, including that's how our cells talk to
Speaker 1: each other. Are nervous cells like sent millions and millions
Speaker 1: of these signals every single day, a second pretty much
Speaker 1: depending on what we're doing. This is how they communicate.
Speaker 1: So the body has this electromagnetic energy. Computers have a
Speaker 1: different type of electromagnetic energy. And what happens is these
Speaker 1: invisible forces actually do play a role on our own
Speaker 1: health and well being. So this here is designed to
Speaker 1: help try balance out and calm some of that energy
Speaker 1: in the body. Then our body will naturally start to
Speaker 1: do all of the things. So these machines don't heal people,
Speaker 1: but they create the environment that allows your body to
Speaker 1: do what it does best. So if people are claiming
Speaker 1: that these are healing you, it's actually not. It's creating
Speaker 1: the correct environment where your body can actually calm down.
Speaker 1: And when we're out of that stressed state, our body
Speaker 1: that knows what to do. It knows exactly what to
Speaker 1: do and how to do it. It's primary function is
Speaker 1: to find homeostasis balance and find the path of leuctra system.
Speaker 1: So that's what we get in the way. I appreciate
Speaker 1: she ate Kim's disclaimer that this magnosphere isn't actually going
Speaker 1: to do anything. That the way it quote works is
Speaker 1: to get my body in the mood to do its
Speaker 1: own job. But then I start to wonder if that's
Speaker 1: mostly because I'm going to spend half an hour in
Speaker 1: a room with dim lighting and calming music. And if
Speaker 1: that's the case, if that's the real treat, the real
Speaker 1: way my body will get in the mood to do
Speaker 1: its own job, then why is she charging me seventy
Speaker 1: bucks for it? I have chairs and light switches at
Speaker 1: whole syndrome. Okay, that's fine. What happened Jesus Christ? All right? Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, would you like a hydrogen infused water?
Speaker 1: Um where like the hydrogen H two O isn't there
Speaker 1: isn't water two parts hydrogen. Read when it says on
Speaker 1: the front zero caffeine, zero calories, that's because it's water
Speaker 1: hydrogen infused water is clinically proven two increase athletic performance,
Speaker 1: reduce inflammation from exercise, and deliver powerful antioxidants pure water,
Speaker 1: pure hydrogen. If water is life, shouldn't it be awesome?
Speaker 1: Basic has evolved? All right? Where do I begin? The
Speaker 1: jig was up when she didn't make me take my
Speaker 1: jewelry off inside of a magnetic thing. I'm a bobber.
Speaker 1: The main thing was I had to be in this
Speaker 1: chair where I was like leaned all the way back
Speaker 1: and my legs were up, and I think that's the
Speaker 1: whole thing that makes you feel anything, because you're like
Speaker 1: upside down a little bit with your head back and
Speaker 1: your feet up in the air. I was trying the
Speaker 1: whole time to feel like just something, but nothing was
Speaker 1: happening except for one thing that did happen a lot,
Speaker 1: which I am embarrassed to admit. But if I was
Speaker 1: someone who was like, oh, I need this to be
Speaker 1: doing something to my body, and I wanted it. I
Speaker 1: wanted to believe it makes you fart. And they spray
Speaker 1: a bunch of lavender stuff in the room beforehand because
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, this will make it like a more
Speaker 1: sensory experience, and I'm like, no, you're just covering up
Speaker 1: all the parts. And then my feet went numb because
Speaker 1: I was kind of upside down. So there was a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff happening because of the chair. So that
Speaker 1: was a total waste of time and money. One, my
Speaker 1: leg felt the same after I left. And two, if
Speaker 1: you need to get a fart out, just tip upside
Speaker 1: down gas rises. You can bend Momi seventy bucks if
Speaker 1: you want. All right, today, We're going to Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: and I'm getting ear seeds. What is a near seed?
Speaker 1: These twenty four caret This is on Neiman Marcus's website.
Speaker 1: These twenty four caret plated ion seeds stimulate reflex centers
Speaker 1: of the brain to help you achieve your calm, happy,
Speaker 1: detox and pain free experience. Wait detox free or detox
Speaker 1: and pain What enjoy the golden look, the nourishing feeling,
Speaker 1: and this unique approach to easing your symptoms? Should I
Speaker 1: flag all of these reviews on Neiman Marcus as inappropriate?
Speaker 1: Here they are ready. These are the reviews goldear dot com.
Speaker 1: This is a review from goldear dot com. Uh huh,
Speaker 1: My feelings are pure and honest. The pressure points are
Speaker 1: spot on all caps. I couldn't be more at peace
Speaker 1: with myself. These are fat bullus. Not quite sure, says Judith.
Speaker 1: They're gonna set something down on my ear and then
Speaker 1: they're gonna be like, see you feel more balanced. They're
Speaker 1: probably gonna put me in a weird chair again or something.
Speaker 1: They're gonna like spin your on in circles and make
Speaker 1: me dizzy and then lay me down and put these
Speaker 1: ear seeds on and be like, oh, you're rebalanced. Do
Speaker 1: you know where we're going? I'm sorry, Yeah, you're supposed
Speaker 1: to be taking a left on Beverly. Would you just passed? So?
Speaker 1: Go left on Rodeo Drive. This is so stupid. Um
Speaker 1: oh my god, Parrada, Gucci, Frata. I feel like I
Speaker 1: should start rapping, but I don't know how. I guess
Speaker 1: I'm another sailor round. There's two sailor rounds on the street.
Speaker 1: Botake of Anita Valentino, Dojin Gabanador pig. Okay, So there's Barneys.
Speaker 1: It's oh, you know what, it's inside the name and Marcus.
Speaker 1: That's why they're selling them at Eamon Marcus. Okay, I
Speaker 1: want everything? Where's so it's v I E in the
Speaker 1: jewelry department. But nobody seems to work here. Look at
Speaker 1: that sequin coat hang twelve thousand dollars. I headed for
Speaker 1: the jewelry department based on the photo I saw of
Speaker 1: the ear seeds, which looked like tiny gold earrings stuck
Speaker 1: to supposed pressure points on your ear lobe. But no
Speaker 1: one knew what I was talking about when I was
Speaker 1: asking them for this service. Eventually, a woman sent me
Speaker 1: downstairs to a weird corner of the cosmetics department where
Speaker 1: there was a reception table set up with macaroons and
Speaker 1: champagne flutes full of water. And I waited and waited
Speaker 1: and waited about fifteen minutes for someone to show up. Eventually,
Speaker 1: someone did, but she didn't have great news. I got
Speaker 1: stood up by who I don't know, someone who works
Speaker 1: for that company. Today I learned that there is a
Speaker 1: spa in the basement of Neiman Marcus. It says it's
Speaker 1: a spab it really it's just like three rooms off
Speaker 1: of the cosmetics department. And they said, she's not here yet.
Speaker 1: And then ten minutes later they handed me a phone
Speaker 1: and a guy was on the phone and he said,
Speaker 1: the service that you used to book the appointment booked
Speaker 1: you at eleven, and I said no, they didn't, because
Speaker 1: they texted me an emailed and gave me a calendar
Speaker 1: alert that my appointment's at ten, because I asked for
Speaker 1: an appointment at ten and he said no, they booked
Speaker 1: you at eleven. This next procedure is what I have
Speaker 1: heard of because my aunt, not Amy, but another aunt,
Speaker 1: her sister, owns a machine similar to the one I'm
Speaker 1: about to get hooked up to. It's called a Rife machine,
Speaker 1: and it was invented in the nineteen thirties by a
Speaker 1: guy named Royal our Rife. His name was Royal, and
Speaker 1: it claims to work in a way that's similar to
Speaker 1: those essential oils, you know, vibrating frequencies and whatnot. I've
Speaker 1: never seen the machine in person before, but in pictures
Speaker 1: it looks a lot like an ameter, those machines that
Speaker 1: scientologists use with cans you hold on too while someone
Speaker 1: grills you about your childhood trauma. Kind of looks like that.
Speaker 1: So to find a clinic that has one, we end
Speaker 1: up driving to a not super rich part of town.
Speaker 1: The office building this clinic is in is all brown
Speaker 1: glass and metal, about four stories with no real signage
Speaker 1: and it's on a dusty corner opposite a gas station.
Speaker 1: It feels more normal, that is until I step inside
Speaker 1: and I'm assaulted by a sound that I can't immediately identifying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: first of all, the place is tiny, which is fine,
Speaker 1: but not super fine when I'm told the procedure I'm
Speaker 1: getting is going to take place right next to the
Speaker 1: front desk, which is right in front of the waiting area,
Speaker 1: which was currently hosting a preteen boy playing his Nintendo
Speaker 1: Switch out loud, though you can't quite here the precheen
Speaker 1: dude on his Nintendo Switch because there's an oxygen chamber
Speaker 1: sitting right next to the waiting area and it's running
Speaker 1: full blast. And by oxygen chamber I mean a domed
Speaker 1: enclosure made out of what looks like it's trying to
Speaker 1: look like kevlar. It's got a zipper on it and
Speaker 1: hoses running hither and yon, I am doing the rife
Speaker 1: all the way. Yeah, I think I have a one
Speaker 1: thirty appointment that I booked through a service online. Do
Speaker 1: you know what do you want to do on your eye?
Speaker 1: Or you have much through it? Though? I think it's
Speaker 1: just a propression of anxiety and perpress and anxiety. Do
Speaker 1: I do it myself? Well, you literally get sit and
Speaker 1: hold on the paddles and you can up close your eye. Okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, guys. I don't know how to say this,
Speaker 1: but this place was a fucking mess. Stacks of paper
Speaker 1: all over the front desk, smudges on the walls, things
Speaker 1: held together with duct tape, and severely faded posters touting
Speaker 1: the benefits of various alternative therapies the clinic offers. The
Speaker 1: receptionist pulls out a three ring reference binder of codes
Speaker 1: for the rife machine, each ailment with its own special
Speaker 1: set of numbers that she must plug in thirty four minutes.
Speaker 1: I give you that, okay, might you do deppression and
Speaker 1: so I need so you might feel a little simple,
Speaker 1: but other not trying to take my drawery off. It's okay.
Speaker 1: Oh oh whoa, it'll stick. Yeah, fine, So right now
Speaker 1: it's on like a three, uh huh, which is us
Speaker 1: for I do hundred three. But if you wanted to hire,
Speaker 1: I train you don't want to start to hire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if you feel it now, then we're good. We
Speaker 1: don't need to go up out there. Okay, but you
Speaker 1: do feel it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it says you're
Speaker 1: at a good um hoose. Okay. I asked for help
Speaker 1: with depression and anxiety, and when she enters the code
Speaker 1: for depression and anxiety, it says that it's going to
Speaker 1: run for fifty minutes. But then I explained that my
Speaker 1: appointment is only thirty minutes, and she says, okay, no problem,
Speaker 1: we'll do thirty very scientific. As I sit there holding
Speaker 1: onto the things, one person exits the oxygen tent and
Speaker 1: three different clients come out of rooms that I later
Speaker 1: find out are where the colonics are performed, and as
Speaker 1: they leave, every single one of them lingers at the
Speaker 1: front desk, chatting about how they're COLONICQ went and what
Speaker 1: service they'd like to book next. It's clear that these
Speaker 1: people see a lot of each other, and it feels
Speaker 1: like eavesdropping on very body focused therapy sessions. Not one
Speaker 1: of them leaves without booking another procedure. After thirty minutes,
Speaker 1: I run out of there as fast as I can
Speaker 1: and rejoin Dan. Anyway, woof. She thought it was there
Speaker 1: for some other treatment, which was like a liver and
Speaker 1: kidney cleans detox. Sorry, liver and kidney detox. She's like, well,
Speaker 1: what we do is we put a couple of paddles
Speaker 1: on and then it breaks everything up and flushes it
Speaker 1: out in your feces, urine and blood. And I was like, wait, blood,
Speaker 1: how does my blood come out? So enough of me
Speaker 1: knowing less than the people I keep accusing of knowing
Speaker 1: nothing about the stuff they're doing to me. I have
Speaker 1: a million questions about what all of that was. Every
Speaker 1: person I spoke to at these facilities kind of reminded
Speaker 1: me of my aunt Amy and that they all had
Speaker 1: a spiel involving frequencies or magnetic forces, things like that.
Speaker 1: I considered asking a doctor if any of these treatments
Speaker 1: were legit, but I'd have to talk to a hundred
Speaker 1: physicians and I know they'd all tell me the same thing. No,
Speaker 1: And that's not what my burning question was anyway. My
Speaker 1: burning question was is this actual science? Do these frequencies
Speaker 1: and magnetism actually do anything to your body? So that's
Speaker 1: why I found a real, live quantum physicist who understands
Speaker 1: how frequencies and magnetism and all that other junk really
Speaker 1: works on a molecular level. Doctor Liam Dodd studies antimatter
Speaker 1: physics and he did his PhD work as you know,
Speaker 1: where the Large Hadron Collider is. Hello, Liam, Hi, that's
Speaker 1: coming up. My name is doctor Liam Dods. I have
Speaker 1: a PhD in physics specializing in experimental antimassive physics. I
Speaker 1: worked at CIA in Paris, which is the atomic energy
Speaker 1: facility in Paris that does lots of research. There's where
Speaker 1: they built the first experimental reactors in France, and after
Speaker 1: that I moved and carried on my doctoral research working
Speaker 1: at CERN. Can you tell us a little more about
Speaker 1: what CERN is. CERN is it's got a French acronym,
Speaker 1: but it's based the Center of European Nuclear Research. It's
Speaker 1: the single guest expressed particle physics experiment, I think, the
Speaker 1: biggest physics experiments in the the planet. It's most famous
Speaker 1: these days for the LHC, which is a large Hadron collider,
Speaker 1: which is a huge accelerating ring that goes underneath France
Speaker 1: and Switzerland where they accelerate protons to nine nine percent
Speaker 1: the speed of light and then smash them together and
Speaker 1: see what comes out. They discovered the Higgs boison in
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, which was obviously the major discovery. They were
Speaker 1: hoping to find but they also do lots of other work.
Speaker 1: And the group I worked for was part of the
Speaker 1: antimatter factory, working for an experiment that was hoping to
Speaker 1: produce stable charged anti hydrogen ions so that we could
Speaker 1: then trap them, cool them, and then measure the gravitational
Speaker 1: acceleration of an antimatter asom in earth field. Okay, so
Speaker 1: Liam knows magnetism, quantum mechanics, vibrations, positive and negative charges
Speaker 1: in the body. To someone like him, did any of
Speaker 1: these treatments make sense? So you heard our first episode
Speaker 1: where we were talking about essential oils and their frequencies.
Speaker 1: What did you think of what we read in the
Speaker 1: Young Living Oils handbook? It was the major issue I
Speaker 1: have with the way the bonus centers and essential oils
Speaker 1: and all those lot co opt quantum mechanics is that
Speaker 1: they treat the word quantum as if it means weird
Speaker 1: or spooky or like something that's like hard to understand.
Speaker 1: They suddenly think, well, that means everything weird. We can
Speaker 1: now explain with quantum mechanics. When all quantum mechanics, like
Speaker 1: the name comes from, the energy is quantized at that
Speaker 1: kind of level, of that level of physics. So when
Speaker 1: things are very small, for example, for an electron to
Speaker 1: transition between two states in an atom, it has to
Speaker 1: have an exact energy transition. It can't have nearly the
Speaker 1: same amount or a little bit more. It has to
Speaker 1: have the exact kind of amount. So that's all the
Speaker 1: quantum mechanics means. It's a very very rigorous mathematical branch physics.
Speaker 1: So when I hear in things like the Young Living Menu,
Speaker 1: when they talk about how well you can take this
Speaker 1: oil and it will like balance your vibrational frequencies to
Speaker 1: like something that's like better or whatever, it drives me
Speaker 1: nuts because there's enough sciency words. The people who don't
Speaker 1: know anything about quantum mechanics will assume that there must
Speaker 1: be some science behind it, which ignores so much basic
Speaker 1: rudimentary biology and quite basic quantum mechanics that it's ludicrous.
Speaker 1: And you have people tricked because they assume that like
Speaker 1: an MRI machine us quantum mechanics. Cancer treatment uses quantum mechanics,
Speaker 1: So there must be something in these oil there. All
Speaker 1: suits is quantum mechanics, when there isn't. There's just nothing there.
Speaker 1: It's just a lie. In addition to looking into the
Speaker 1: frequencies of essential oils. We sent doctor Dodd information about
Speaker 1: Royal r Rife and his machine and how I was
Speaker 1: quote treated for my depression and anxiety by it. The
Speaker 1: problem with Rife and like other kind of technical snakeholes
Speaker 1: salesman is that it's really hard to understand what they're
Speaker 1: trying to do because there's so list or science behind it.
Speaker 1: So when you like he describes his like his beam
Speaker 1: ray that could to kill pathogens, which there's no real
Speaker 1: explanation for like how any of that can work. There
Speaker 1: are certain things like ultrasonic frequencies that can like heat
Speaker 1: up cells and damage them or kill them. There are
Speaker 1: like ionizing radiation which can kill cells. But his things
Speaker 1: seem to be generally that if you found the right
Speaker 1: electrical frequency to rite break people at, that would somehow
Speaker 1: kill pathogens or kill cancer or whatever kind of thing
Speaker 1: it was. And I see they've also because I've read
Speaker 1: his like early nineteen thirty stuff and didn't really talk
Speaker 1: about mental health. But I assume they've now moved the
Speaker 1: market there because it's another place to make money. But
Speaker 1: they just know. But I just can't understand how it's
Speaker 1: meant to work. I just don't get any mechanism by
Speaker 1: which is supposed to work. The thing that I the
Speaker 1: thing that I found in common with that and the
Speaker 1: essential oils is that they the mode of application would
Speaker 1: be systemic. It's not targeted. So you know, like if
Speaker 1: they plug in a certain frequency and I'm holding two
Speaker 1: paddles or whatever in my hands, how is the vibration
Speaker 1: supposed to find the place in my body? Even if
Speaker 1: it were like this is assuming a lot, but let's
Speaker 1: say it did work, or the oil did work, how
Speaker 1: does the oil find the right spot in my body? Too?
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a complete misunderstanding of like how
Speaker 1: our system works. Yeah, because I think I'm not a
Speaker 1: medical doctor. I know stuff, but I'm not a medical doctor,
Speaker 1: And like, I think people can get confused, especially when
Speaker 1: you think about if you have dental pain, for example,
Speaker 1: and you take a pain killer somehogo dental pain stops.
Speaker 1: And if you have a sore risk you take an
Speaker 1: ibyprofen somehow your risk stops her sitting. And there's a
Speaker 1: lot of how are the drugs bind averse and how
Speaker 1: that affects our pain receptor as an example, So people
Speaker 1: kind of have an assumption that well, your body kind
Speaker 1: of works it out by itself, especially when you get
Speaker 1: a lot of pseudoscience that talks about how our body
Speaker 1: knows what it needs best. And I listen to you
Speaker 1: what your body says. Your body's smarter than people tell
Speaker 1: you it is. So. Ibyprofen works by inhibiting prostaglandins, which
Speaker 1: are found all over your body and they're responsible for
Speaker 1: inflammation and pain. Take one and the thing that's hurting
Speaker 1: stops hurting for a bit. But with our rife machine,
Speaker 1: there's no mechanism by which holding onto two low power
Speaker 1: electrodes can cure a person of their anxiety. That's just
Speaker 1: not the way the physical world works. I also sent
Speaker 1: doctor Dodd the website of the manufacturers of the Magnosphere,
Speaker 1: which even they seem oddly confused by. Once again, it's
Speaker 1: one of the thing where they can take relatively real
Speaker 1: science and then extrapolated to the point where it is
Speaker 1: it is just magic the thing. I looked at this
Speaker 1: website and I was astonished by the video that told
Speaker 1: me it doesn't cure anything, and here's how it's going
Speaker 1: to cure you, which was a great twist of a video.
Speaker 1: But I guess that's a legal thing, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not American. I don't quite know how all your
Speaker 1: laws were. But before we get started, the information you
Speaker 1: were about to see is for educational information about our
Speaker 1: wellness system. We help you enhance feelings of relaxation and
Speaker 1: do not diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any diseases. If
Speaker 1: you have any questions or concerns about our system and
Speaker 1: your health, please consult your physician. But the thing that
Speaker 1: drove me really nuts is it compared it to an
Speaker 1: MRI machine, which explicitly shows you that people who are
Speaker 1: reading that are being tricked into not knowing what MRI
Speaker 1: machine that is because an MRI machine is abuseful piece
Speaker 1: of technologies that was developed in Nottingham by doctor Mansfield,
Speaker 1: and he found that him and many other contributors found
Speaker 1: that you could put the human body or many things
Speaker 1: under a high magnetic field and it would cause the
Speaker 1: protons in the case to fall out of alignment where
Speaker 1: they would want to be traditionally, and then when you
Speaker 1: turn off the field, the protons fall back into positions. Still,
Speaker 1: when the field is on, they deviate from their original position,
Speaker 1: and then when you turn it off they return back
Speaker 1: to their position, and then you have detectors around the
Speaker 1: person or whatever you're scanning that can interpret these photons
Speaker 1: into an image that can be read by a radiologist.
Speaker 1: I'll try to simplify here. An MRI is a way
Speaker 1: of taking a picture of your insides. That's it. First,
Speaker 1: you take your jewelry off, definitely, and then you lie
Speaker 1: in a machine and a very strong magnet is turned
Speaker 1: on and that magnet on an atomic level, causes protons
Speaker 1: to move just a tiny bit. Then the magnets turned off,
Speaker 1: and as those protons move back into place, they release
Speaker 1: energy in the form of photons, which are like little
Speaker 1: light particles. That's what's captured on the image of an MRI.
Speaker 1: And so when we're talking about me getting inside a magnetsphere,
Speaker 1: that is not at all what's happening. No, because when
Speaker 1: you get into a static field, like whatever happens happens
Speaker 1: is you get into the static fields, and then when
Speaker 1: you lie in the static field, nothing happens because you're
Speaker 1: just in the static field. And then when you get
Speaker 1: out of the static fields, you just return to how
Speaker 1: you were before you were in the magnetic field. I
Speaker 1: don't know any other mechanism by which that isn't the case.
Speaker 1: I tried looking, and I don't really see anything that
Speaker 1: makes sense in their website obviously doesn't tell you how
Speaker 1: it's meant to work well. I worked around some pretty
Speaker 1: heavy magnets when I was studies, and like we couldn't
Speaker 1: go near a credit cards and these were like magnets
Speaker 1: that we just had in our lab and we had
Speaker 1: to say a certain disine of your credit card or
Speaker 1: you might just wipe it. That you could like if
Speaker 1: you moved slowly enough in and out, you could kind
Speaker 1: of prevent the wiping happening. So the fact that they
Speaker 1: didn't take anything or didn't even check for any fairest
Speaker 1: material is a sign that is not really doing anything.
Speaker 1: Can we also talk about the distrust of science, Like,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people believe that scientists like
Speaker 1: you or doctors have some secret that you're keeping from
Speaker 1: the rest of us, and that somehow you're making money
Speaker 1: by not telling us how physics works. Well. At the
Speaker 1: same time, they think you don't know any more than
Speaker 1: they do. I think the biggest secret science is keeping
Speaker 1: from the general public is how little money we make
Speaker 1: just across the board, Like as a PhD student, I
Speaker 1: made about thirteen months and I lived in a city
Speaker 1: with rent there was a thousand euros a month, So
Speaker 1: when you do the maths, you realize that I was
Speaker 1: homeless periods of my PhD. So that's the biggest secret
Speaker 1: that we're keeping from people, is that we don't have
Speaker 1: any money. But I think the general distrust come from
Speaker 1: the facts. I think it's in two places. Firstly, science
Speaker 1: is actually quite hard, like not in a bragging kind
Speaker 1: of way, like just science is difficult. Any subject done
Speaker 1: to a high level is difficult. And then you add
Speaker 1: in the complexity that the language of science often isn't
Speaker 1: the natural language in which you otherwise interact with the world. So,
Speaker 1: for example, if I went into an undergraduate history course,
Speaker 1: I might not know what's going on to a great extent,
Speaker 1: but I can at least follow what's happening in the lecture.
Speaker 1: I can follow that names are being said and events
Speaker 1: are being described. If a history graduate walked into an
Speaker 1: undergraduate physics course, they might not know what the maths
Speaker 1: on the board even does. They might just physically not
Speaker 1: have the context on learning at that point to know
Speaker 1: what it does. And that's not to say they're stupid.
Speaker 1: It's just to say that they don't know, which is fair.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened in the Napoleon it was,
Speaker 1: but it generally doesn't affect my life into much extent.
Speaker 1: And then you add on that like in other fields
Speaker 1: like chemistry and biology, the wording is quite difficult as well,
Speaker 1: Like we use things like like autonomic, nervous system or
Speaker 1: whatever it was that the a ands that the machine
Speaker 1: said it were cured. Like these are technical words that
Speaker 1: have confusing double meanings, because like if you say someone
Speaker 1: is nervous and then you talk about the nervous system,
Speaker 1: they are different things and not the same word being
Speaker 1: used for the same context. So I think to an extent,
Speaker 1: there is a general impenetrability to science when it's not
Speaker 1: explained well. I think these days scientists are trying their
Speaker 1: damnedest to explain it better and trying to get people
Speaker 1: interested in science and trying to get them to understand
Speaker 1: what is happening. Like I was at my second year
Speaker 1: university when they when the Large Hadron collider found the hixsposer,
Speaker 1: and for the first time in my experiences, everyone was
Speaker 1: talking about physics. Everyone wanted to understand physics. Everyone know
Speaker 1: what was going on, But in general, physics isn't cool
Speaker 1: and isn't sexy. Like I spent four and a half
Speaker 1: years slaving away, and my contribution will be read by
Speaker 1: thirty to forty people in probably for the next hundred years.
Speaker 1: You add onto that the science is then attacked in
Speaker 1: some places to such important parts of life like cancer treatment,
Speaker 1: cancers like terrifying, like I've lost people to cancer. I
Speaker 1: think everyone I know people to cancer. And if you
Speaker 1: were told that there was some secret way you could
Speaker 1: cure it, everyone jump on it. And then even the
Speaker 1: word the cure for cancer is itself like a misnamer,
Speaker 1: like there is no cure for cancer. Cancer is a
Speaker 1: multitude of different diseases which is often relatively unique to
Speaker 1: each individual. So will never be a cure for cancer.
Speaker 1: They will just be better and better treatments until we
Speaker 1: get to the point where we can effectively have said
Speaker 1: we've cured cancer because our treatments as such to that
Speaker 1: that cancer isn't a cause of death anymore. And I
Speaker 1: think also on top of that is that there is
Speaker 1: a relative snootiness among some in the scientific establishments that
Speaker 1: they think that spending their time talking to average people
Speaker 1: about physics, chemistry, biology isn't the best use of their time.
Speaker 1: That they're not the majority. But there's a definite strain
Speaker 1: of disregard for the rest of society. And you can
Speaker 1: feel this a lot when your place is like certain
Speaker 1: in like very such of ways that like I was
Speaker 1: in a room where everyone has a doctorate or higher,
Speaker 1: Like everyone in the room has that, and there's like
Speaker 1: a hundred of us in the room that is not
Speaker 1: statistically normal, that's not statistically average. There's no way that
Speaker 1: the rest of society will ever do that. Like I
Speaker 1: don't know anyone from old friends circle of friends that
Speaker 1: is doing a doctorate, and there's just not the case.
Speaker 1: But I know obviously hundreds of people who did them.
Speaker 1: So there's kind of an isolationism that builds up within
Speaker 1: us because we are just in our own circle and
Speaker 1: in our own separate worlds. And then so you have
Speaker 1: the mixture of the language we use is complicated at times.
Speaker 1: We're not always the best at explaining it in simple terms.
Speaker 1: We live in effectfully relatively isolated groups because we work
Speaker 1: on people who have the same qualifications of us, Like
Speaker 1: we don't we apart outside of hr and secretaries and cleaners,
Speaker 1: we don't have staff that have different roles in different backgrounds.
Speaker 1: Everyone has the same background. The kind of perception of
Speaker 1: eliteness among us, and then the fact that like a
Speaker 1: lot of us use public money to all our research,
Speaker 1: and then you have that strand that we're wasting the
Speaker 1: government's money. It makes it much more comforting than to say,
Speaker 1: when something is scary in the world, like cancer, to
Speaker 1: say there's some sort of conspiracy or trick occurring, than
Speaker 1: it is to say that like the world is just
Speaker 1: random and known as what happens for any reason. Like
Speaker 1: I think the reason why the conspiracy that pharmaceutical companies
Speaker 1: have cured cancer they won't give it out because it's
Speaker 1: more it's more profitable to like not do that, is
Speaker 1: that it's much more comforting to think that there's a
Speaker 1: scary bogey men. There's nothing you can do about it,
Speaker 1: Like you can't do that, they're rich, they're release, there's
Speaker 1: nothing you can do about it. Then it is to
Speaker 1: kind of stare in the face that you don't have
Speaker 1: a choice whether you get cancer, like it just happens,
Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do about it. In terms of
Speaker 1: like you can obviously lower risk factors. You cannot smoke,
Speaker 1: you cannot drink, cannot eat red meat, But the end
Speaker 1: of the day, there's nothing you can do at the
Speaker 1: end to stop it. If it happens, it happens. So
Speaker 1: I just think it's a kind of trying to understand
Speaker 1: a world which is scary. Scientists are a relatively easy
Speaker 1: group to kind of demonize for treating everyone else is
Speaker 1: if they're not deserving of what we have, which is
Speaker 1: kind of not what we're trying to do. What are
Speaker 1: you trying to do, which, personally, like the professional answer
Speaker 1: is we're trying to increase humanity's understanding of the world
Speaker 1: around us and to gain a better appreciation for opposition
Speaker 1: and place in the universe. The real answer is that
Speaker 1: we just like playing with things, and we just want
Speaker 1: to play a bigger and bigger things. Do you have
Speaker 1: any thoughts about the personality types of people who espouse
Speaker 1: these sorts of treatments what it depends on which level
Speaker 1: they are in the grift And like those people who
Speaker 1: are like trying to pass off whatever Young Living has
Speaker 1: told them, I mostly view them as a mixture of
Speaker 1: like desperation in like to get the product to be successful,
Speaker 1: or kind of a slight bit of will for ignorance,
Speaker 1: or like just kind of general understandable ignorance on the topic.
Speaker 1: I don't view them as any particular level of like
Speaker 1: insidious or nasty. The people higher up I have very
Speaker 1: little patience for. I think they're either completely delusional about
Speaker 1: what they are selling and therefore I don't trust them
Speaker 1: to have the ability to rationally think about what they're doing,
Speaker 1: or they know it's a grift, at which point they
Speaker 1: are actively promoting a thing which is highly likely to
Speaker 1: cause someone to die or get worse because they will
Speaker 1: actively avoid traditional treatment over their alternative treatment, and if
Speaker 1: their health outcomes to the alternal treatment are there are
Speaker 1: no benefits. You are actively signing deaf warrants to people
Speaker 1: who choose to follow and believe what you believe or
Speaker 1: what you're trying to sell. So I think people at
Speaker 1: the top are generally disgusting and are not worthy of
Speaker 1: any respects or consideration. I know a lot of these
Speaker 1: when you read their works, like the Radionics Guys and
Speaker 1: the early essential Olist Guys. A lot of it was
Speaker 1: attached to like religious ideas or spiritualist ideas, where they
Speaker 1: could then blame you for it not working if you
Speaker 1: didn't believe in it, or you didn't take you didn't
Speaker 1: do it properly. And I think the same applies to
Speaker 1: many of these new wellness ideas that if it's not
Speaker 1: it's not working, the fault somehow lies with you, not
Speaker 1: the machine. And therefore that's him self quite insidious as
Speaker 1: a business model. But when you start applying it to
Speaker 1: things like anxiety and depression, that's an incredibly like nasty
Speaker 1: and evil way to approach trying to help someone by
Speaker 1: telling them that they are the reason why their condition
Speaker 1: isn't getting better. When you're just selling them something either
Speaker 1: you know or either you know or you've blindly believe
Speaker 1: it works, but you should know that it doesn't work,
Speaker 1: it doesn't do anything. So I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: find them as a whole quite a gross industry. I
Speaker 1: swear to god, I did not coach him to say
Speaker 1: any of that. Next time on the dream, but discussing
Speaker 1: carbohydrate and she's like, well, can I have carrots or
Speaker 1: pumpkin instead of carbohydrate? I was like, no, because that's
Speaker 1: not carbohydrate in the form that you need it. You know,
Speaker 1: because for her even though her weight is even though
Speaker 1: her energy intake is normal, because her carb intake is
Speaker 1: so low, her periods have stopped. Oh my Gosh. The
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