Speaker 1: To be Around the NFL podcast covers kickers more than
Speaker 1: most college scouts. Welcome to another edition of the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast, presented by Dijor No. My name is
Speaker 1: Dan Hansas, and I'm joined on a boat that's filled
Speaker 1: with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg Roseltal. What
Speaker 1: is up, toys? Hey, dam look at us? How about us?
Speaker 1: Are you listening? Roger? Are you listening? Commission? Are you proud?
Speaker 1: We're spending your money? We're on a boat. We're here
Speaker 1: in Miami. We got nothing else to do. We are
Speaker 1: on beautiful Miami Canal. You do not know if that
Speaker 1: is the Miami River Canal. It is my beautiful Miami River.
Speaker 1: Uh taping our first show from Miami, super Bowl fifty
Speaker 1: four coming up in a few days. And uh and
Speaker 1: and Erica, our wonderful producer who put this together. Wow,
Speaker 1: you know, you're a marvel. Yeah you know. Shout out
Speaker 1: to Jane Slater. Her brother Tom works for port to Stella,
Speaker 1: which is helping putting on this whole event all Super
Speaker 1: Bowl week and they hooked it up and it's so sick. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's collect seems like it would have been an opportune
Speaker 1: time to have Jane on as a guest, considering that
Speaker 1: her family member got us this speed book. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: wasn't available. A little bit of a missed op potentially.
Speaker 1: But uh, anyway, did I mentioned that this podcast is
Speaker 1: stocked up pizza for the big Game? Uh? There we go.
Speaker 1: That's what super Bowl is about in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: It's America. It's about corporate, corporate structure, it's about ad reads.
Speaker 1: But it's also west about football, isn't it? Family friends? Football?
Speaker 1: And did your very good? Very good? So today's show
Speaker 1: this is our second boat show. Actually we did one
Speaker 1: on Teams a couple of years ago in London and
Speaker 1: that was nice. But now this is way better. I
Speaker 1: gotta be honest. The vibe is is decidedly different here Mark,
Speaker 1: where in Miami. We're in Miami. We have like high rise,
Speaker 1: like sleek high rise buildings around us. Um, A bunch
Speaker 1: of like nines and tens have been rolled in from
Speaker 1: various countries. Standard our hotel beautiful And you've been very
Speaker 1: clear to point out that both the men and the
Speaker 1: women are nine. Oh it's not a it's a It
Speaker 1: is extremely attractive people being piped into our I meant
Speaker 1: with some you know, great sort of Miami inflected music.
Speaker 1: I think this should be our thing, doing my audio
Speaker 1: podcasts in far flung locales, where we just describe where
Speaker 1: we are for the audio listeners. I can't even begin
Speaker 1: to understand going under a fruay At the moment, a
Speaker 1: boat just crashed into the side of our boat and
Speaker 1: we're sinking no ums the singing bridge. This is a
Speaker 1: fun experience and we love to mix things up. We
Speaker 1: just passed a sign that says caution manate area. So
Speaker 1: if a manatee jumps up and kills Mark, it's just
Speaker 1: ultimately the way we all expect. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: an incredible way to go. How are you doing Mark
Speaker 1: in Miami? I know the city with all its glitz
Speaker 1: and glamour and and beauty. Um, some of the texts
Speaker 1: I've been getting for you. You've been a little up
Speaker 1: and down. Are you excited about being That's always the case,
Speaker 1: But I mean I would say that it's growing on
Speaker 1: me at a rapid pace. You know, yesterday was sort
Speaker 1: of overcast and you're wandering around kind of trying to
Speaker 1: figure out what the city is about. Now we're on
Speaker 1: this boat and it looks like you know, the cut
Speaker 1: scenes from like Miami Vice. I'm all in feels like freedom.
Speaker 1: It's a panoply of the census. It's a feast for
Speaker 1: the eyes. I've this is already two days into my
Speaker 1: favorite super Bowl city. It's just shots fired at New Orleans.
Speaker 1: I haven't been to New Orleans, and New York was
Speaker 1: holding the number one spot, and I do love New
Speaker 1: York City, but this is where you want to have
Speaker 1: a sup. I still I still stand for the uh
Speaker 1: best Western in Minneapolis that had a t G I
Speaker 1: Friday's connected to al Right, so what are we doing? Essentially,
Speaker 1: it's all about the big game. Of course the San
Speaker 1: Francisco forty Niners in Kansas City Chiefs. On Thursday, you're
Speaker 1: gonna hear our proper Super Bowl fifty four preview. But
Speaker 1: of course we're gonna hit on the game pretty hard today. Uh.
Speaker 1: In fact, uh using our our deep well of knowledge
Speaker 1: when it comes to this event. Um, Mark, this is
Speaker 1: you and I. This is our ninth super Bowl with
Speaker 1: NFL media. Um, Greg, how many super Bowls have you covered?
Speaker 1: This is the I've been to thirteen for Greg West,
Speaker 1: You're I believe this is my seventh. So we you
Speaker 1: know you you start to learn, uh that the two
Speaker 1: week break from the NFC and AFC title game to
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl it's a breeding ground for just soggy narratives,
Speaker 1: sometimes narratives that don't always really check out when the
Speaker 1: game actually begins, or sometimes conversely they're they're spot on.
Speaker 1: So since we're on a boat, sink or swim narratives
Speaker 1: of Super Bowl fifty four, see how I that I
Speaker 1: love it? I love it. Great job, maybe the worst.
Speaker 1: The person who throws out the worst narrative gets thrown
Speaker 1: overboard and we that's great. But before we do that,
Speaker 1: let's uh oh. I just wanted a shout out to
Speaker 1: the whole crew of the event Dutch, who are keeping
Speaker 1: us alive right now, and especially Captain Spiro's, because without
Speaker 1: Captain Spiros, without the man at the wheel, it's lights
Speaker 1: down for the podcast here at the bottom of the river.
Speaker 1: I also want to send a shout out to all
Speaker 1: the people who have been buying our concert tickets or
Speaker 1: our show tickets on Thursday this week at the Miami Improv.
Speaker 1: It's bumping up the forty Niners and Chiefs fans are
Speaker 1: coming correct, but we still have tickets available Thursday night
Speaker 1: at the Miami Improv. I just will not be appearing
Speaker 1: depending on who drops the laziest narrative. Well, I was,
Speaker 1: I was thinking to going the other way, which was
Speaker 1: West Dan Mark, I'll get the night off, Greg Roseathal
Speaker 1: one Man one Spotlight one, Mike Rosenthal Coal in my stories.
Speaker 1: I'll jump in with me. She loves a live micro fun. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll do it together. It'll be fun. He's going in
Speaker 1: the river, I swear to God. Alright, Greig sitting on
Speaker 1: a still spinning yards. Let's uh, let's do some news.
Speaker 1: I wore the number twenty four in high school like
Speaker 1: my freshman sophomore year because of him. And I wore
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant basketball shoes because of Kobe Bryant. Every time
Speaker 1: I laced up my basketball shoes, I felt like I
Speaker 1: had Kobe Bryant with me, had a little part of him.
Speaker 1: I had his jumper, had his fade away. The amount
Speaker 1: of hours I spent practicing that fade away from the
Speaker 1: corner and I never made it, but I tried, and
Speaker 1: I always thought I was Kobe so like I mean,
Speaker 1: he's an icon. Uh, he was a hero. Of mine
Speaker 1: and the world's not a better place without him. Well,
Speaker 1: there it is George Kittle, the Niners tight end from
Speaker 1: Media Night last night, talking about Kobe Bryant, and yes,
Speaker 1: this is obviously it was a unique opening night because
Speaker 1: this is a unique time on the American sports spectrum
Speaker 1: with Kobe Bryant's tragic death in that helicopter crash in
Speaker 1: l A. Um I was. I came in into the
Speaker 1: city a day after you guys, by the way, uh
Speaker 1: for the listeners, and so I was in l A
Speaker 1: when all the Kobe fallout was happening. It was such
Speaker 1: a surreal day in Los Angeles, and I was in
Speaker 1: a tech chain with my buddies from back East and
Speaker 1: we were what are the guys asked, is this like
Speaker 1: the biggest l A sports story ever? And it's it's
Speaker 1: almost it's but you can't really look at it that
Speaker 1: way because Kobe's death and then you have you can't say, like, oh,
Speaker 1: Kirk Gibson's home run or magic skyhook. This this feels
Speaker 1: like a like a tragedy that that just is bigger
Speaker 1: than obviously sports. And you could feel that throughout Media night,
Speaker 1: because that's all anybody wanted to talk about. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: noticed when I got in, just talking to NFL Network
Speaker 1: people who were raised in l A and grew up
Speaker 1: with the Lakers as their favorite team, and they were
Speaker 1: visibly shaken up to the point where you could see
Speaker 1: that several of them have been crying, probably for hours.
Speaker 1: I just not being from l A myself, it kind
Speaker 1: of I was a little surprised at how much of
Speaker 1: an impact that made. I think l A, like the
Speaker 1: rep is, that nothing brings l A together. It's just
Speaker 1: kind of this far flung place with no center holding it.
Speaker 1: But the Lakers are kind of what what holds it.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Lakers are what holds it in Kobe,
Speaker 1: even people that you know aren't from l A. NBA
Speaker 1: superstars have a level of fame and attachment I think
Speaker 1: from their fans and people worldwide that NFL fans never will.
Speaker 1: Like Kobe is at a level that no NFL player
Speaker 1: has ever been at. I just think it's just different.
Speaker 1: And you know, in the Rams and Chargers are both
Speaker 1: finding out firsthand in need that l A remains a
Speaker 1: Lakers town in a Dodgers town first and foremost. And
Speaker 1: I remember being downtown the last time the Lakers, uh
Speaker 1: won a championship, but I didn't know what was going
Speaker 1: to happen that night. It was not the smartest move,
Speaker 1: but it was incredible to witness the scene down there. UH.
Speaker 1: And just what the Lakers effect is on Los Angeles
Speaker 1: and Kobe's I think is what we saw like last
Speaker 1: night on media night too. The entire aura of that event,
Speaker 1: which is typically sort of um, you know, open to
Speaker 1: clownishness and uh and in funding games, had a completely
Speaker 1: different field because of the immense effect he's had on
Speaker 1: so many NFL players. I mean, this is supposed to
Speaker 1: be the NFL's week, and I was in our hotel
Speaker 1: uh last night, and I turned down Sports Center and
Speaker 1: they they never talked about the Super Bowl once the
Speaker 1: entire episode. So this, obviously, you know, the whole week
Speaker 1: is is um was changed by that tragic event in Calabasas. Uh.
Speaker 1: And we'll hear from Richard Sherman a little bit later
Speaker 1: than l a Native. But let's get to the NFL
Speaker 1: news now and we'll start mark you know what actually
Speaker 1: before we do this, can we do some breaking news,
Speaker 1: breaking news? Yes, let's hear it um magnitude seven point
Speaker 1: seven earthquake hits near Cuba. Miami office is evacuated as
Speaker 1: of fifteen minutes ago, and we're out on it ya
Speaker 1: right now? Um, are we in great danger? I mean
Speaker 1: we're or I'm not sure. I mean, this might be
Speaker 1: the place to be. But it does explain the helicopters
Speaker 1: flying overhead. Perhaps there's been a number of them, a
Speaker 1: potential tsunami heading our ways. So there's a potential tsunami
Speaker 1: and we're on the water. Okay, so we should look
Speaker 1: into it. Yeah, I'm I'm on Twitter, So on Twitter,
Speaker 1: so we're fine. Yeah, okay, Well that's interesting. So we
Speaker 1: just keep going. Now to the Cleveland brown Hey, Ricky, honestly,
Speaker 1: they'll keep us updated. Tsunami situation. Apparently, buildings, you know,
Speaker 1: we're shaking in Miami, but we we did not feel
Speaker 1: we didn't visibly see them shaking. Cat Is blowing Dan's
Speaker 1: notes all over the place, having in one place, having
Speaker 1: a whole system, and this is all my system has
Speaker 1: been torn asunder and now Erica has collapsed on the
Speaker 1: deck of the Dutch What tragic. Alright, let's get into it.
Speaker 1: The Browns um have hired Andrew Berry as that you know,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the tsunami. I know I can tell them.
Speaker 1: Let's battle through pros. The Browns have hired former team
Speaker 1: executive Andrew Berry to be general manager and executive VP.
Speaker 1: The team announced this on Tuesday, made it official. He
Speaker 1: has fifty three man roster control. He's just thirty two
Speaker 1: years old. He's the youngest GM in the league. Uh
Speaker 1: Mark the Browns have been the latest iteration of the
Speaker 1: Browns reboot has Jimmy has them the owner saying we
Speaker 1: need to be in lockstep with the head coach and
Speaker 1: the GM. I imagine this is a step toward that. Well,
Speaker 1: I think if you want to spend hopeful and positive
Speaker 1: about the Browns, and what happened since Freddy Kitchens was
Speaker 1: fired was that they methodically, uh went through this process
Speaker 1: and didn't matter how long it took, and didn't rush
Speaker 1: to hire someone because they want a unified front office
Speaker 1: and coaching staff with Stefanski, John D. Podesta and Paul
Speaker 1: Paul Depesta sorry, and with how with Andrew Berry, who
Speaker 1: was with Cleveland during the Saucy Brown regime and massively
Speaker 1: impressed the Haslems. They were they wanted him back. He
Speaker 1: was with the Eagles last year. I I think This
Speaker 1: is essentially looking at um die Podesta's from Harvard, berries
Speaker 1: from Harvard, Stefanski's from Penn. This is Mark guys. Well,
Speaker 1: that's that's I think they are looking for people that
Speaker 1: can coexist and keep this thing together for more than
Speaker 1: one year. We will see. If you're a Browns fan
Speaker 1: who might have been a little worried that it's going
Speaker 1: to be too analytically driven like baseball and the Wall
Speaker 1: Street influence, and it's not going to be enough football influence.
Speaker 1: This is a guy you love as a hire because
Speaker 1: he was a three time Ivy League cornerback at Harvard
Speaker 1: when he graduated, potentially when he graduated, his coach, his
Speaker 1: coach said, within fifteen years, by the time this guy's
Speaker 1: thirty seven years old, he'll be running an NFL franchise.
Speaker 1: He's that specially's that whip smart. And you combine that
Speaker 1: with his football experience. He coached for seven or he
Speaker 1: scouted for seven years with the Colts. To me, he
Speaker 1: combines both of those, the scouting background and the analytics background.
Speaker 1: If you wanted to take a you know, more negative slant,
Speaker 1: you could point out that what seemed like their first
Speaker 1: choice is turned down the jobs, or at least some
Speaker 1: of their top choices. George Patton, who had worked with
Speaker 1: Stefanskin Minnesota, didn't like the structure that was set up,
Speaker 1: and he might have been the GM otherwise. Josh McDaniels,
Speaker 1: it was kind of a similar case. I am hoping
Speaker 1: for the best, but at this point I feel like
Speaker 1: we are all. I want to become a Browns fan
Speaker 1: because the Brown's a successful Brown's team. It makes a
Speaker 1: better podcast. I don't think I've ever seen that. I
Speaker 1: want it. Well, maybe not a better vide yet, but
Speaker 1: makes my life. Here's my here's my situation right now
Speaker 1: with Captain Spiro's and the crew of the Van Dutch.
Speaker 1: If we see them getting nervous, and you see Captain
Speaker 1: Spiros like on his radio a lot and stuff, that's
Speaker 1: when I'll get nervous. So I'm just judging right now.
Speaker 1: Captain Sparrows, gott a smile? Are we safe? Captain? Of course,
Speaker 1: that's what you would say if you're the captain, because
Speaker 1: number one, you want to keep everyone on board calm.
Speaker 1: So he's not gonna be honest, is he. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: no way they could have actually heard that. He just
Speaker 1: started screaming and like running his hands through his hair.
Speaker 1: Captain Spiros has jumped off the ship and as anyone
Speaker 1: else able to know this season to Mariner, he has
Speaker 1: everything under control. You know, the kinds of situations he's
Speaker 1: been in, the pickles he's pulled out of. Come on, man, alright,
Speaker 1: good luck to that Google. Can you survive a tsunami
Speaker 1: on a boat? Yes, and it says the safest place
Speaker 1: for a vessel in the event of a tsunami is
Speaker 1: offshore in deep water. So to the ocean captain just
Speaker 1: out on the Mighty Atlantic. No one has ever tried
Speaker 1: to order the captain around before. Alright, moving at good
Speaker 1: luck Mark with this latest regie. Thank you, Drew Brees
Speaker 1: as uh speaking of Jane Slater, are good, buddy. Drew Brees,
Speaker 1: the Saints quarterback is a free agent. He's landed at
Speaker 1: I believe number thirty seven on Greg Rosenthal's Okay, anyway,
Speaker 1: he's he's nineteen years into a career and he's not
Speaker 1: ready to announce yet whether or not he's coming back,
Speaker 1: but if he does, it will be with the Saints.
Speaker 1: Here's what he was Here's what he told Jane at
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl I've never been in a situation where
Speaker 1: I said I was mowing over the thought that then
Speaker 1: it's to me. It's it's been each each one of
Speaker 1: these contracts, which I don't know how many it has been,
Speaker 1: you know with the Saints, Um, I've played with him
Speaker 1: fourteen years. Um, but each one it's just it's not
Speaker 1: a matter of if it gets done, it's when. And
Speaker 1: you know, obviously at this stage in my career, it's
Speaker 1: it's you know, not a given that I'm that I'm
Speaker 1: coming back every year. It's just, uh, but but when
Speaker 1: when that time comes, then uh, you know, I'll always
Speaker 1: be a Saints fans are taking this pretty seriously. They
Speaker 1: think he might genuinely retire. This is different than he's
Speaker 1: uh talked about before. I think it's negotiations. I think
Speaker 1: Sean Payton and the Saints have not so subtly put
Speaker 1: out some reports and even talked about, you know, in
Speaker 1: the last couple of days that well, if we had
Speaker 1: to move forward, you know with Taysom Hill, you know,
Speaker 1: we of course they want Drew Brees back, but they
Speaker 1: have other franchise quarterbacks in Taysom Hill and Drew Brees.
Speaker 1: Maybe the most calculated um player in the NFL over
Speaker 1: the last ten years, is not making these comments. The
Speaker 1: NFL network, by mistake. The only leverage that he has
Speaker 1: his retirement in terms of his contract talks. And if
Speaker 1: he does retire, that's not a good outcome for the
Speaker 1: Saints because they have twenty million dollars in capit and
Speaker 1: they still don't have Drew Brees. Greg just put that
Speaker 1: issue to sleep. Nothing. People aren't buying this. This is
Speaker 1: a This is more of a theory than you know fact.
Speaker 1: What was the report out there that the Saints view
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill is a potential franchise quarter Payon Sean Payton
Speaker 1: said that very strongly, and like he you know, he
Speaker 1: had high praise for Taysom Hill before the season, of course,
Speaker 1: linking him to the skills of Steve Young. But I
Speaker 1: think it would be fascinating to at some point in
Speaker 1: time watch Taysom Hill attempt that role. I really think
Speaker 1: it would be super exciting a chance at some point.
Speaker 1: Do you think on one level, the Saints would be
Speaker 1: a more interesting team to follow with Taysom Hill as
Speaker 1: their starting quarter out of the gates. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: taller to follow, but I I don't understand, and this
Speaker 1: maybe is directed at us. I don't understand this like
Speaker 1: subtle Drew Brees shade that's popping up every time he
Speaker 1: comes up. This guy could still play, of course he can.
Speaker 1: So what are we doing? Why would I think is
Speaker 1: one of the most interesting quarterbacks in the NFL. Whenever
Speaker 1: I see him play. He made clear The Saints have
Speaker 1: made it clear they want him back. Um, so I
Speaker 1: don't think they are entertaining. Is this a Steve Steve
Speaker 1: Young Joe Montana situation. If that was the case, I
Speaker 1: could understand the the urge to maybe make the move.
Speaker 1: Do they really think that Hill has that time? I
Speaker 1: think there is a parallel there because of the fascination
Speaker 1: in house to Taysom Hill. And if you're if you're
Speaker 1: sean for the background as a great quarterback, which Steve
Speaker 1: Young had and Taysom Hill just doesn't. That's fine, But
Speaker 1: I like that he wouldn't be in the role he's
Speaker 1: in if he had had record quarterback. Whatever he takes
Speaker 1: the field, exciting things happen. I think if you yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think if there's a part of you that
Speaker 1: would find it an incredible interest, an engaging challenge to
Speaker 1: try to see what you have with Taysom Hill. It's
Speaker 1: also telling that Teddy Bridgewater is not mentioned in any
Speaker 1: of this talk, and he's a free agent too and
Speaker 1: feels like it's more possible this year that he'll leave,
Speaker 1: just because I don't he I don't know if he
Speaker 1: could see being now played by the quarterback behind them too.
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying the Saints would be better with
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill. I'm saying, for me who's watched this show,
Speaker 1: the Drew Brees Show for how many years? Twelve years
Speaker 1: in New Orleans, it would be more exciting to watch
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill. They feel like they need to run it
Speaker 1: back one more time. They have so many free agents,
Speaker 1: so it's gonna be a little tricky. I think they
Speaker 1: have eight starters. But with Breeze at this age, it's like,
Speaker 1: let's try one more time. We've had a super Bowl
Speaker 1: worthy or ready team the last two years, and then
Speaker 1: after that you get wild. And I guess my counter
Speaker 1: to that West is I I hear that, but what
Speaker 1: if he does get the job and after four weeks
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, this guy was perfect in the role
Speaker 1: he had, and we kind of pushed Drew Brees out
Speaker 1: the door when he was coming off. I think that's
Speaker 1: absolutely I think I've just like I'm oversaturated with the
Speaker 1: Drew Brees Saints, especially when you see a playoff game
Speaker 1: where his lack of arm strength was a huge factor
Speaker 1: and the only place they made but when Taysom Hill
Speaker 1: was making them. All right, let's move on. Speaking of
Speaker 1: veteran quarterbacks, Philip River wait, boat check. Is he on
Speaker 1: the radio? Captain Spears is not on the radio. So
Speaker 1: at the moment, it seems to be, you know, when
Speaker 1: another boat passes us, then we get a little, right,
Speaker 1: little tsunami. That's a week um the then Dutch. The
Speaker 1: entire crew is actually very cool right now, which, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're walking around and all right, so Philip rivers his future.
Speaker 1: The Charges remains up in the air. There was a
Speaker 1: report that floated around a couple of days ago. It
Speaker 1: was that was attributed to Jay Glazer that the Chargers
Speaker 1: were moving on, but that maybe is not exactly the
Speaker 1: case and wasn't even Glazers reporting. And Ian Rappaport our
Speaker 1: own Ian rapp report uh said the French Eyes is
Speaker 1: still weighing its options on their eight time Pro Bowl quarterback.
Speaker 1: We know the whole background by now thirty eight years old,
Speaker 1: coming off an interception, uh frenzy season, and he just
Speaker 1: picked up his family and left California for Florida, closer
Speaker 1: to his hometown. Uh what do you think, Mark is
Speaker 1: this Do you think there's any chance he's that charged
Speaker 1: in I just would like to hear more dating back
Speaker 1: to even the middle of last season, where the team
Speaker 1: is saying this is what we want to me. Philip
Speaker 1: Rivers seemed to be kind of quietly at odds with
Speaker 1: that coaching staff by the end of the campaign, where
Speaker 1: you know, there were whispers of him potentially being benched.
Speaker 1: At this point, he's just moved his family across the
Speaker 1: entire country, and we we've brought up the scenario where
Speaker 1: he could be one of these guys that you know,
Speaker 1: goes home for a day or two a week and
Speaker 1: spends the rest of the time on the other side
Speaker 1: of the country. It just feels to me, if from
Speaker 1: a family planning issue, which is the super important to
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers and odd departure from California, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: go back to the and from Anthony Lynn's perspective, I
Speaker 1: imagine it was incredibly frustrating when Philip Rivers was your
Speaker 1: quarterback last season, there were so many if you watch
Speaker 1: those Chargers games, so many mistakes that just would kill them,
Speaker 1: and Rivers every once in a while would look like
Speaker 1: Phil Rivers as well. He had his moments. He wasn't
Speaker 1: a complete wash out, but the West, those mistakes they
Speaker 1: add up, and you could tell Lynn you understand his
Speaker 1: frustration and maybe his thought, like maybe Sean Payne, like
Speaker 1: what if I had a fresh start with a younger player. Right,
Speaker 1: it feels like the relationship may have run its course
Speaker 1: and both teams are looking to get separated. And I
Speaker 1: think if the Charges detect even a whisper of of
Speaker 1: the fact that somebody's gonna give Philip Rivers a pretty
Speaker 1: good contract and install him as their face of the franchise,
Speaker 1: they're just gonna franchise tag him themselves and try to
Speaker 1: trade him, because that would be the most Chargers thing possible.
Speaker 1: A guy who has started two straight games, the second
Speaker 1: most in NFL history, behind only Brad five. I mean,
Speaker 1: everyone sinks c poems about Eli Manning's durability, as they should.
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers has never missed the game in his entire
Speaker 1: career is even longer than either of the Mannings streaks.
Speaker 1: It would be fitting for the Chargers, who have botched
Speaker 1: basically their goodbye to every great player they've ever had,
Speaker 1: for his last days to be protracted struggle where they
Speaker 1: franchise tag him and then trade him for like a
Speaker 1: sixth round pick to the Colts and alien a player
Speaker 1: who has been far better than the offensive lines or
Speaker 1: the running games are basically anything that Tom Talsco has
Speaker 1: surrounded him. But I think it's telling too, and it's
Speaker 1: concerning for the entire Chargers organization the lack of Philip
Speaker 1: Rivers buzz compared to Eli Manning because the fan base
Speaker 1: does not exist right. But Ian made it clear they're
Speaker 1: considering franchise tagging him, and his wording was he made
Speaker 1: it sound like they're they're probably ready to move on,
Speaker 1: but they want to make sure they can do better,
Speaker 1: and they're not really sure what they are. They could
Speaker 1: get behind door number two, so they're not totally closing
Speaker 1: the books on Rivers. They have the number six pick,
Speaker 1: though that is not too far away from either moving
Speaker 1: up for Tua or just drafting a quarterback of their own.
Speaker 1: Speaking of fading borderline Hall of Fame quarterbacks. Tom Brady
Speaker 1: is also a free agent. Uh to be Where is
Speaker 1: he right on your list? Uh? He is first, No,
Speaker 1: he's nine, He's right behind Breeze, He's right behind Breeze.
Speaker 1: Joe Montana did uh an interview sit down with our
Speaker 1: own Mike Silver, and of course Montana is, well, he's
Speaker 1: always at the forefront of you know, this week because
Speaker 1: he's Joe freaking Montana, but this this week, and he'll
Speaker 1: make the media rounds, and you always see Joe around
Speaker 1: uh this time of year and Super Bowl week and
Speaker 1: Joe tell us a little bit more about flowers. Well,
Speaker 1: let me tell you he's also he's got his own
Speaker 1: brand of sketchers, I believe. But these are his two
Speaker 1: former teams, of the forty Niners where he had all
Speaker 1: of his glory and the Chiefs, of course, where he
Speaker 1: played his final two seasons. And Uh, Mike Silver asked
Speaker 1: Montana about that process of going from a place the
Speaker 1: only place you've ever known, to kind of starting fresh,
Speaker 1: and Montana was very honest talking about how difficult it was.
Speaker 1: Asked specifically what advice he'd give to Brady. Um Montana
Speaker 1: about the possibility of leaving the Patriots and signing with
Speaker 1: another team. Montana smiled and said, don't if you don't
Speaker 1: have to. It's a process to go through and it
Speaker 1: takes time to get used to the team. Um. He
Speaker 1: also said he has fond memories of his times with
Speaker 1: the Chiefs and his offensive coordinator. Uh, Paul Hackett was
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks coach in San Francisco, which helped the process
Speaker 1: and and and made it an easier process for him
Speaker 1: in terms of, uh, you know, a new play book
Speaker 1: and all that. But it is a reminder that we
Speaker 1: throw on the cell, where's Tom Brady playing? Oh, I'll
Speaker 1: go to the Chargers, or I'll go to the Cols
Speaker 1: or go here. What a gargantuan challenge that would be
Speaker 1: for Brady. And uh, I'm not gonna change his legacy,
Speaker 1: but it puts a different ending to his story. And
Speaker 1: you you can understand even Greg, a guy like Brady
Speaker 1: who is long professed his wish to play until he's
Speaker 1: in his mid forties, he would have to probably swallow
Speaker 1: hard before actually deciding to leave New England. I think
Speaker 1: hearing Joe Montana, his childhood heroes opinion on it actually
Speaker 1: could hold some weight because whoever is He's one of
Speaker 1: the only guys who's ever been in that sort of situation.
Speaker 1: I thought, if you really listen to what Brady said
Speaker 1: the last time he spoke, and it's not a surprise
Speaker 1: he wants I think he wants to stay in New England.
Speaker 1: I think the question is he's not sure if they
Speaker 1: want to keep him. It's that's that's the bigger question
Speaker 1: to me. It's not whether he wants to leave. I
Speaker 1: think he would leave if he has to. It's really
Speaker 1: if they want to keep him when they meaning Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1: Because Robert Craft has made it clear the plan is
Speaker 1: that Tom Brady is wanted. Doesn't make you, It makes
Speaker 1: me wonder. The worst case scenario here is that it
Speaker 1: causes friction and um schism between Craft and Belichick. That's
Speaker 1: like the worst case in area for a Patriots fan
Speaker 1: and the best case scenario for basically every other human
Speaker 1: that is interested. It's one reminder that like we're heading
Speaker 1: into this free agency period that is going to receive
Speaker 1: more hoop lah than ever before unless this stuff is
Speaker 1: sewn up quickly. Because of these quarterbacks we're talking about.
Speaker 1: I I don't really think that it's a great idea
Speaker 1: for any one of them to suddenly start over in
Speaker 1: their late thirties and forties in and with another team.
Speaker 1: It just seems like you're getting the final year or
Speaker 1: two of Tom Brady on the Chargers. What's how is
Speaker 1: that going to play out? Right? And I know we'll
Speaker 1: talk about it, but it really struck me that no
Speaker 1: quarterback in NFL history had thrown for more than yards
Speaker 1: in their age forty two season before BA. There basically
Speaker 1: had never been a quarterback that was a starter for
Speaker 1: an entire year until Brady last season. So he was
Speaker 1: by far the greatest forty two year old quarterback of
Speaker 1: all time. And it's just like, it's just kind of
Speaker 1: like why, why would you expect him to keep breaking
Speaker 1: these boundaries at the highest levels. It's just a lot
Speaker 1: to expect. And you know, speaking of Kobe Bryant, you
Speaker 1: know everybody you know, certainly I am, and I know
Speaker 1: you guys probably are too. Are reading a lot about
Speaker 1: his career in retrospectives and all that, and uh, what's
Speaker 1: his name, wobomb the ESPN Adrian Wojanowski. Uh, he wrote
Speaker 1: a piece he he knew Brian quite well, and he
Speaker 1: reflected on his encounters with him through the years and
Speaker 1: including near the end of Bryant's career. He like Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: spent you know, twenty years with one team, and he
Speaker 1: remembers a conversation uh with Brian where he was saying
Speaker 1: he was certain that Lakers management was looking to buy
Speaker 1: him out of his contract and use that amnesty clause
Speaker 1: that the NBA teams can use to get out from
Speaker 1: under uh ugly veteran contracts. And it never came to fruition.
Speaker 1: But it just reminds me, as you're talking about this, Greg,
Speaker 1: how you know these things that they get tricky at
Speaker 1: the end when the player is this veteran and he's
Speaker 1: a legend and he's getting paid a lot of money,
Speaker 1: but he's no longer helping a team like he once did.
Speaker 1: It just becomes a tricky suit are ration for all parties.
Speaker 1: Alright now, media night opening that we talked about it
Speaker 1: with Kobe and how that was a major topic. Any
Speaker 1: other kind of takeaways from Media night, Greg, I'll start
Speaker 1: with you on this. Well, let's think I like the
Speaker 1: little bit that Kyle Shanahan talked about where they asked
Speaker 1: him when he puts in the first fifteen play script
Speaker 1: that has sort of become famous, you know, from Bill Walsh,
Speaker 1: and Kyle Sanahan's a fairly direct descendant through his father,
Speaker 1: Mike Shanahan from Bill Walsh. You know, the Fame fifteen
Speaker 1: play script of what they're gonna do at the start
Speaker 1: of the game, and they asked in Um, I think
Speaker 1: it was one of our guys. It might have been
Speaker 1: Don that asked him about it, and he said, well,
Speaker 1: I'll probably put it in like either late Friday night
Speaker 1: or Saturday morning. And that was you know too, Dn.
Speaker 1: That was a surprising answer. And I think it's fascinating.
Speaker 1: They put in the entire game plan last week. You know,
Speaker 1: they they have all the plays that they possibly could
Speaker 1: run in the game. But Shanahan kind of like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what we would do as students or we
Speaker 1: do for our podcast. He waits a little bit till
Speaker 1: the last minute, and then what wants to see what
Speaker 1: he's feeling is the right moment to do it, and
Speaker 1: then he puts it in. And and there are many
Speaker 1: good reasons I think for that. Now I'm not saying
Speaker 1: he thinks it's the best way to do it to
Speaker 1: wait until the end. And so maybe it's not getting stale,
Speaker 1: that he doesn't get stuck too much, you know, and
Speaker 1: that I have to do this, or that he sees
Speaker 1: how the plays go during the weekend. It keeps like
Speaker 1: the whole thing a little fresh going into the super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and coaches are creatures of a routine. He's used to
Speaker 1: join that every Friday night during the season. When Bill
Speaker 1: Walsh first started this, wrote about this in Ohio River Offense,
Speaker 1: he met with Paul Brown on Saturday mornings to go
Speaker 1: over the openers because he was working on them on
Speaker 1: Friday nights. That's I think that comes from the Bill
Speaker 1: Walls Street. I think it's also a communication with your
Speaker 1: star quarterback, with your team in general that if you
Speaker 1: put out like if we when we plan our show,
Speaker 1: if it's a Thursday show and we try to hammer
Speaker 1: it on a Wednesday morning, we're gonna have to do
Speaker 1: forty text messages about changes. We have new information right
Speaker 1: and it's like, why not almost wait till the last minute.
Speaker 1: If you're the Niners the most as much information as
Speaker 1: you have, and when you give those plays and you
Speaker 1: share it, it's as clear and it doesn't change. Maybe
Speaker 1: everyone note knew this kind of thing already, but it
Speaker 1: was it was a rare thing from Opening night that
Speaker 1: seemed like new and different. I don't know my one
Speaker 1: thing I thought Andy Reid talking about players saying that
Speaker 1: he's still coming up right now hand drawing up new
Speaker 1: plays that they've never even used to take into the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. We've got so much extra time. We're going
Speaker 1: back fifteen games with the forty Niners and we're we're
Speaker 1: doing all this crazy like using all that time. And
Speaker 1: I always, like, you always worry about the teams that
Speaker 1: they start to do too much. You know, just do
Speaker 1: what you normally do. George Kittle got a riser and
Speaker 1: he acknowledged I thought this was not so subtle. Flex
Speaker 1: he waited to share this until he was on the
Speaker 1: riser at Opening night at the Super Bowl. He's played
Speaker 1: with a torn labor ham since two thousand eighteen. Now
Speaker 1: that's a man. Well yeah, I mean it's impressive, but
Speaker 1: also obviously has not been a major factor in his
Speaker 1: play because he's playing with more physicality after the catch
Speaker 1: than any tight end in the NFL. He's blocking as
Speaker 1: well as any tight end in the NFL. He was
Speaker 1: the first team All Pro by war. I think PFF
Speaker 1: had him graded as like one of the highest. He
Speaker 1: was their best player in the NFL this season. Was
Speaker 1: was George, were you questioning Dan his manhood? Like before this?
Speaker 1: This is what it took to certainly not. But it's
Speaker 1: just next level stuff. And you have to go to
Speaker 1: the Shield softball team. And when you see Chris westling,
Speaker 1: you know, playing seventeen games on a bad shoulder, uh,
Speaker 1: it reminds me of uh Joe Namath having a tape
Speaker 1: his leg from his ankle to his hip just to
Speaker 1: get on the field. That's West slinging the ball over
Speaker 1: to skip at first base. Had a cold. At one
Speaker 1: point during that season, I delt was some yeah, some issues,
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and of head called I'll never forget West
Speaker 1: taking himself out of the championship game to give me
Speaker 1: a little more plain time, because because he thought that
Speaker 1: was what was best for the little bit of a
Speaker 1: sneaky hero boy move though I want to play, but
Speaker 1: for his made for TV movie, well, I appreciated a
Speaker 1: few extra innings. It was like I got on base.
Speaker 1: Every bad joke had to come in. Shook needed some
Speaker 1: plain time, and it was coming in for Greg, and
Speaker 1: I just said, we need Greg's defense out there in
Speaker 1: right field, take me out attention for got on base
Speaker 1: every single time if you want to us right, you know,
Speaker 1: I was, I was a waiting for the humble on
Speaker 1: the phone was the legit one? We got breaking news here? Okay,
Speaker 1: he's on the phone. He's turning. I almost looks he's
Speaker 1: turning the boat around while he's talking. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like talking, but I shuddered to it's a really say.
Speaker 1: I mean this my good friend Mike father's fouley. His
Speaker 1: family came from Cuba. So many of so many people
Speaker 1: in a city came from Cuba and are probably thinking
Speaker 1: of their families, like at the seven point seven earthquake,
Speaker 1: is in an insane number that I don't want to
Speaker 1: find out. What's what we're gonna find out when we
Speaker 1: get back Dan. Dan is very concerned about this phone
Speaker 1: called wait, can you hand Captain Spiros of the microseconds?
Speaker 1: Captain Spiros, can we get your comment? I saw you
Speaker 1: were just on the phone. Is everything okay? Nothing to
Speaker 1: be worried about? Was about the captain Captain's bres of
Speaker 1: the Van Dutch a hero talk about a real man?
Speaker 1: All right? How to turn the boat on that? Oh? Also,
Speaker 1: Katie sours. The woman who's the Niners coach chief's tattoo scandal.
Speaker 1: She's from Kansas and it was I read that it
Speaker 1: was a tattoo of the of the Kansas City skyline.
Speaker 1: And she actually played, unlike some people on this show,
Speaker 1: played foot all herself at a professional level in hero ball.
Speaker 1: Don't you don't need to tell us why she should
Speaker 1: be a coach. She's certainly qualified. But I'm just talking
Speaker 1: about the skin or just simply uh. She she said,
Speaker 1: you know, she's she's a proud Kansas City and all right, well,
Speaker 1: if the Niners lose, you'll know she got more, you know,
Speaker 1: from the people there. She got more people around here
Speaker 1: probably than just about anyone at at opening night. It
Speaker 1: is pretty cool. Kyle say Inahan brought her from Atlanta,
Speaker 1: where she was also. I also liked hearing that my
Speaker 1: guy Tom Brady. You know, it was congratulating Jimmy g
Speaker 1: People forget Jimmy. She's got two Super Bowl rings to
Speaker 1: the Bowl and ming. He just wanted to be in
Speaker 1: the news cycle this week. He's probably annoyed that that became.
Speaker 1: Dante Scarnecki is out as offensive coordinator. They say he's retired,
Speaker 1: but I think he was quietly fired by Bill Bill.
Speaker 1: Why would he Why would this future Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: first assistant coach to make the Hall of Fame ever
Speaker 1: get thrown out? Disasters? Right now, you lose scar Neck.
Speaker 1: You understand a pure mendacity to feel little panics. Greig
Speaker 1: and the in the in the ride over here towards
Speaker 1: the boat, you were claiming that it just doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: and you're fine with the Patriots has covered more Super
Speaker 1: Bowls than the Jets and Browns have ever been in
Speaker 1: by a factor of five. Do you need to go
Speaker 1: in that beautiful time? It's a great time. I'm fine
Speaker 1: with twenty years total darkness. Right, it's been. It's just
Speaker 1: we've been to one combined. You've been to one combined.
Speaker 1: While I was trying to do the math, how many
Speaker 1: have we covered for the Patriots? Five? I think five
Speaker 1: reals and live of six. Yeah, not anymore though, it's
Speaker 1: over all right, And finally, let's give the last word
Speaker 1: from Media Night. I'm sorry Opening Night they rebranded in
Speaker 1: a few years back. I struggled with that Richard Irman,
Speaker 1: who's obviously one of the more thoughtful um NFL players,
Speaker 1: and he's a Los Angeles native, so of course he
Speaker 1: was gonna be asked about Kobe. Let's let's hear what
Speaker 1: Sherman had to say. Well, he meant a lot. He
Speaker 1: meant a lot to everyone, you know. He he meant
Speaker 1: a lot to the city of l a And he's
Speaker 1: he's a tremendous idol. Like I said, there's not enough
Speaker 1: praise I can give him. There's not enough words in
Speaker 1: my vernacular, in my vocabulary to give him the praise
Speaker 1: and the respect that he deserves. Um. But but he
Speaker 1: deserves every inch, every every ounce of respect, every ounce
Speaker 1: of gratitude. And and he gave me a ton of inspiration.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he inspired millions and billions and trillions other kids.
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's no limited impact he's had on
Speaker 1: my city and and on cities around the world. Extremely
Speaker 1: well put, all right, that's what's happening in the news.
Speaker 1: Now let's get to it. The sinkers. We're on the boat,
Speaker 1: so sinker swim narratives nailed it of Super Bowl fifty four. Um,
Speaker 1: I asked you guys to kind of throw out some
Speaker 1: storylines that you've seen pop thing up over the last
Speaker 1: week or so. And I don't know whether you agree
Speaker 1: with the narrative or you're here to debunk it, But
Speaker 1: they are narratives. You seem like the narrative guy. I
Speaker 1: have a couple, but I want I want to just
Speaker 1: see you guys up Mark. You seem like the type
Speaker 1: of guy. In fact, I know you to be the
Speaker 1: type of guy who you exist mostly to just shoot
Speaker 1: down things. So I'm gonna assume you're not going to
Speaker 1: agree with either of these. Here's the first one. Everyone
Speaker 1: assumes a shootout is on tap and super Bowl fu Well,
Speaker 1: I know, so what even my own prediction for somewhere
Speaker 1: on our website. Try to go find that somewhere. It
Speaker 1: was like forty because it's just like the first thing
Speaker 1: that came to mind. Like, of course you're not gonna
Speaker 1: say now, are you know? So? I mean, are you
Speaker 1: trying to say that they don't promote the super Bowl
Speaker 1: predictions piece because that probably gets promoted just because you
Speaker 1: haven't checked that NFL dot com. It's not the main
Speaker 1: point of this and this is not the day. Would
Speaker 1: you like me to answer this question? We just gonna
Speaker 1: go off into forty two different verbal rivulets before I
Speaker 1: give you my answer. This is this is not the day,
Speaker 1: re rivulet I love it. I would. I would point
Speaker 1: to this number one that last year, at this time,
Speaker 1: we were coming out of an a f C championship
Speaker 1: that was a shootout between the Chiefs and Patriots, and
Speaker 1: with a Rams team that everyone just assumed would score.
Speaker 1: Not everyone, but that was sort of this this who
Speaker 1: knows what could happen in this thing? That's that's my case.
Speaker 1: Number eight, This game could be seven, This game could
Speaker 1: be twenty three. That I don't I just don't assume
Speaker 1: you could be a blowout, but I think it could
Speaker 1: be a blowout. Number one, I don't assume that both
Speaker 1: teams are gonna drop fifty points on each other. That's
Speaker 1: a good point that Mark raises a good point. The
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks with the highest points per game in NFL
Speaker 1: history probably are gonna have a low scoring game. I'm
Speaker 1: just kidding the scientists turing on another listen. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying this it's a narrative because it's partially logical. But
Speaker 1: last year, not not a single person was talking about
Speaker 1: are you supporting that this will be a high scool game.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's de funking in process. Because I am
Speaker 1: I am upset with myself for picking for forty. It
Speaker 1: seems too boring and predictable. And this Mark is the
Speaker 1: wrong day to get on NFL dot com promotionally because
Speaker 1: I went to their homepage just today and right there
Speaker 1: on the headline stack as they call it, Cessler Cole
Speaker 1: and why I want Jamis Kama Lamar to win a title?
Speaker 1: You know, listen, I believe that with all my heart.
Speaker 1: With all my heart, I believe that column I read time.
Speaker 1: I mean when I when I think of Mark's attachment
Speaker 1: and support of Tamos Winston over the years, just like
Speaker 1: the the energy that he's invested finally wanting him to
Speaker 1: get over the top. It's nice to see that getting
Speaker 1: promoted as one of the biggest, very natural storyline country.
Speaker 1: They asked me to pick. It was people that I
Speaker 1: like to see make the super off that in there,
Speaker 1: and tell me it would not be intriguing to see
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston with some other team get into this. I like,
Speaker 1: why I want Jamis Kama Lamar to win a title.
Speaker 1: I can't. I don't, I don't, I don't believe. I
Speaker 1: feel like I've been honking about Jamison this podcast for
Speaker 1: four years and all you do is dismiss him. I
Speaker 1: can change my mind occasionally. West. Here's a narrative that
Speaker 1: you threw out there, Jimmy G equals Bob Greasy, debunk
Speaker 1: or support. Give me a break with this one. We're
Speaker 1: debunking it. What are you talking about? First of all,
Speaker 1: there was only one quarterback this year to finish in
Speaker 1: the top five of completion percentage, yards per yards per attempt,
Speaker 1: and touchdown passes, and that was Jimmy G. This was
Speaker 1: not all running. He's twenty three and five as a
Speaker 1: starter under Kyle Shanahan. The other forty quarterbacks under Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan are three and twenty, so he has an eight
Speaker 1: twenty winning percentage, the highest in NFL history. All other
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty Niners quarterbacks have a one sixty seven
Speaker 1: winning percentage under Kyle Shanahan. What happened when Bob Greazy
Speaker 1: got injured in nineteen two is back up Earl Morrow
Speaker 1: at nine and oh and one, first team All Pro
Speaker 1: because he could do the same job Bob Greasy could do.
Speaker 1: The Forts quarterbacks can't do the same job. Jimmy G's
Speaker 1: do one. Give me a break with this narrage. Nothing
Speaker 1: about Jimmy G's skill sets suggest the team doesn't totally
Speaker 1: trust him. They totally trust him, And I do think
Speaker 1: that it was interesting to hear Kurt Warner talk about
Speaker 1: it on NFL Number Today that if you know, you
Speaker 1: look at these game plans in these scripts, that if
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner back in the day with the Rams as
Speaker 1: a young starter, was told you're gonna be throwing the
Speaker 1: ball probably eight or nine times and a half in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, that he would totally revolt that that
Speaker 1: quarterbacks he want. If you're Jimmy G, you want to
Speaker 1: throw the ball times, no matter what you tell anyone else.
Speaker 1: And he's had money on third downs too, He's been
Speaker 1: a great third These two games are pretty random. There
Speaker 1: are almost no other games they had I'll see is
Speaker 1: in that were quite like this. With that said, I
Speaker 1: do think, for instance, in the wasn't the Vikings game
Speaker 1: after he made the interception and then they you know,
Speaker 1: went pretty run heavy. I think they totally trust Jimmy G.
Speaker 1: But I think Kyle Shanahan knows how good his defense is,
Speaker 1: how good his running game is, and that Jimmy G.
Speaker 1: Mistakes is the riskiest thing they have because he makes
Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes, He takes a lot of sacks,
Speaker 1: he fumbles the ball lot, right, I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: that he is the highest variants of of really great
Speaker 1: team and he's facing a quarterback who's not only makes
Speaker 1: way more big plays and is more talented, but makes
Speaker 1: way way fewer mistakes. So if he can keep a
Speaker 1: lid under Jimmy g like you could, you could trust
Speaker 1: your quarterback, which Kyle Shanahan I believe does, but also
Speaker 1: know that you're running game should be the motor against
Speaker 1: certain teams depending on the game plan, as they were
Speaker 1: in the two points. This sets up that way. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Chiefs defense is about as imbalanced, you know, when
Speaker 1: you look at the efficiency pass versus run as almost
Speaker 1: any defense in the league. They're a really good past defense,
Speaker 1: pretty deep secondary, you know, solid pass rush, good scheme
Speaker 1: against the past, and a terrible run defense. Like it's
Speaker 1: very similar to the last couple of ones. Chiefs defense
Speaker 1: is better or even above average. Debunk a confirmed lad
Speaker 1: yourself into that trap. I did. I don't think they're
Speaker 1: that much better, and I've been last year then last
Speaker 1: year they're they're a little better, but I watched them
Speaker 1: and I guess I'm putting a lot of stock in
Speaker 1: the two playoff games versus the entire season. They haven't
Speaker 1: played well in the postseason. Everyone looks concerned. Everyone in
Speaker 1: this boat right now is looking very a look at
Speaker 1: a nearby yacht? Is that what we're looking at? What
Speaker 1: is the what? It was just a really beautiful boat,
Speaker 1: and I thought you would like to look at it.
Speaker 1: It was like, I mean, there are people sunning on
Speaker 1: the You used to used to own a boat. You're
Speaker 1: a yacht er, You're but I do I've been driving
Speaker 1: for a word. I don't think so. But I've been
Speaker 1: driving boats since I was twelve. I love them. We're
Speaker 1: in a beautiful and Greg's like, you think I know
Speaker 1: anything about boats? I was like, number, have any context?
Speaker 1: You know, you're telling me you've been in a more
Speaker 1: beautiful Super Bowl local than this. Come on this what
Speaker 1: we've had for the last half an hour? Everything, I mean,
Speaker 1: the Chief's defense seems point. My point is, are they
Speaker 1: seem entirely beat a ball? And they might be a
Speaker 1: little bit better than they were a year ago, But
Speaker 1: are they above average? I don't think so. They've got
Speaker 1: three good players. Frank Clark Chris Jones, Tyrone Matthew just
Speaker 1: about every every other part of their defense feels like
Speaker 1: a weakness in recent weeks. You go down twenty four nothing,
Speaker 1: you go down seventeen seven. I mean, you are vulnerable.
Speaker 1: But they have the offense that almost makes it non issue.
Speaker 1: On something part of my thought, I mean, when you
Speaker 1: really just like lining up the matchups, I think Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan is looking at this Chief defense and he's loving
Speaker 1: its slicking his chops. He's looking at his chot Like,
Speaker 1: if you just look at the matchups, the forty Niners
Speaker 1: seemed like the better team. Mark Sessler confirm debunk anyone
Speaker 1: on either team talking about not getting enough respect from football.
Speaker 1: What happened to sink or swim anyway? Sink that one?
Speaker 1: That one needs to sen the Miami River because it's
Speaker 1: it's happened a little bit with Richard Sherman. And that's
Speaker 1: not a surprising person to utter these these kinds of
Speaker 1: comments necessarily, but you hear it for a little bit
Speaker 1: on both teams, so you know we're not we're not
Speaker 1: getting the respect we deserve, We're not getting the attention.
Speaker 1: It's like I would just say, though the Niners have
Speaker 1: been glowed over all season and the chiefs of the team.
Speaker 1: Everyone kind of wanted in this position, but from before
Speaker 1: the season. So where is this lack of respect, lack
Speaker 1: of interesting? Maybe Adam Rank picks to go three and
Speaker 1: thirteen people have been really holding Why do you need
Speaker 1: to a co worker and then just drag them off?
Speaker 1: Now he's he talks about it more than he loves it.
Speaker 1: He loves it. He talks about it. But when an
Speaker 1: us all right, um West, I thought I did a
Speaker 1: good job there by the way, nicely all right, I'm
Speaker 1: proud of you, uh West swim. Patrick Mahomes is off
Speaker 1: to the very uncomfortable right now, shadowy league figure with
Speaker 1: all the nice boats around us, it's not our fault.
Speaker 1: Nice boats everywhere in Miami. Well, if we're saying worst
Speaker 1: take gets thrown overboard, Greg goes overboard because he's been
Speaker 1: spelling this off for the last few weeks with no
Speaker 1: regard for no regard for perspective, no no regard for
Speaker 1: a wide view of history, no regard for actually the truth,
Speaker 1: which is Patrick Mahomes in his breakout year is great year.
Speaker 1: Fifty touchdowns, five thousand yards a marina did that four
Speaker 1: decades ago in his second season, try buying, Try paying
Speaker 1: prices for a house to You've had six passing revolutions
Speaker 1: since Dan Marino did this for him. That's about the
Speaker 1: equipment of going for sixty five touchdowns in six thousand yards. Now,
Speaker 1: it would blow everyone's mind. It would blow Greg's mind.
Speaker 1: That was the best. Here's my thing that they are
Speaker 1: the only two I think in the conversation. Is not
Speaker 1: far away my homes right, yeah, Kurt Warner, it's tricky,
Speaker 1: he's all he's older, but you're right, is right there.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. Mahomes in his first year was
Speaker 1: the m v P was the best player in the league.
Speaker 1: His second year in the NFL, Right, I'm saying first
Speaker 1: two years a starter. I'm not. I'm not. I would
Speaker 1: have counted Aaron Rodgers first two years, which a Marina
Speaker 1: was busy playing and win rookie the year. His second
Speaker 1: year he's the number three quarterback in the league. I
Speaker 1: would put him at So what quarterbacks in their first
Speaker 1: two years would be a top three quarterback those two years. Now,
Speaker 1: another part of it is absolutely that I watched every game,
Speaker 1: like do we respect the football heads opinions? Who just
Speaker 1: watched guys on weekends, you know, or watch players when
Speaker 1: they're in primetime games and in playoff games and makes
Speaker 1: big opinions. I'm not going to have that strong to
Speaker 1: take off of Dan Marino when I really didn't see
Speaker 1: him play. But you're just gonna ignore that he ever happened,
Speaker 1: because now I'm gonna look at the I'm gonna look
Speaker 1: at his second year in terms of he had a
Speaker 1: little less of a year, they would be They would
Speaker 1: be at the league and everything even the next year
Speaker 1: after that. My, you want him to go away because
Speaker 1: it's convenient for your argument, but Dan Marino exists and
Speaker 1: you can't throw him overboard. I'm not, but they would
Speaker 1: be similar. And it also goes to my that quarterbacks
Speaker 1: are better now than they were, like athletes, Like you
Speaker 1: didn't watch Dan Marino that year, so it's like very
Speaker 1: hard to like know how good he really was. Isn't
Speaker 1: this all kind of pointless because haven't we talked on
Speaker 1: this podcast? Its pointless to argue over players in different generations.
Speaker 1: I'm just correcting Greg for refusing any respect to anyone
Speaker 1: who came before Pat I said, all right, he's one
Speaker 1: of At worst, he's one of the top two quarterbacks
Speaker 1: ever in terms of his first two years as starter
Speaker 1: and the physical skill set and the athleticism and every
Speaker 1: else that he has. It's obviously better because athletes are
Speaker 1: better and he's like the next generation like that. This
Speaker 1: is not a hot take, like half a year without
Speaker 1: getting sacked. You're you're bad mouthing his skill set because
Speaker 1: you never really watched him. All right, everybody calmed down. Scientists,
Speaker 1: there's no time for scientists. Shenanigans in the lab. On
Speaker 1: a boat just doesn't make sense. Logically, you can't have
Speaker 1: a I want to throw out a narrative that connects
Speaker 1: to what we just talked about though, which I'm hearing
Speaker 1: a lot of. But people, what is the old line?
Speaker 1: Those who ignore history or doomed to repeat it. You know,
Speaker 1: back in everyone said, oh Dan Reno, you know, he
Speaker 1: got wiped out by the Niners. Coincidentally, he'll be back.
Speaker 1: You know, everyone seems that, you know, Patrick Mahomes is
Speaker 1: on the scene of the Super Bowl, and something tells
Speaker 1: me this isn't gonna be his first bite of the
Speaker 1: apple if you don't know, And it actually speaks to
Speaker 1: a larger point that goes beyond Mahomes or anything. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it's something that's popped up time after time in
Speaker 1: the years covering this sport is that when you get
Speaker 1: to this point, you need to win because the future
Speaker 1: promises nothing. And the history of the NFL is littered
Speaker 1: with teams that thought they were just at the verge
Speaker 1: of getting to the mountaintop and even though they didn't
Speaker 1: get there, we'll get there next year. The Atlanta Falcons
Speaker 1: come to mind, the Jacksonville Jaguars come to mind. That's
Speaker 1: just recently. And Cam Newton. Cam Newton, I mean, he
Speaker 1: did win, but he has not been back in the
Speaker 1: decades since. And Mahomes is in a great situation to
Speaker 1: have a long successful run because, like Tom Brady, he
Speaker 1: is on a team that is well run from the
Speaker 1: top down, and you get the feeling that they will
Speaker 1: not let that roster go to rot. And because he's
Speaker 1: so good, he could then feel uh fill in the
Speaker 1: gaps the way Brady once said, However, nothing is promised,
Speaker 1: and you got it's so important that these teams and
Speaker 1: we know that as the famous Damas check ism, is
Speaker 1: just a must win game. Yes, obviously, both teams are
Speaker 1: doing everything in their power to win. The Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: But the team that loses, an old frances is, um,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have Chris mad Dog Russo show on Thursday.
Speaker 1: The old frances Lin was. It's there's nothing worse than
Speaker 1: losing in the Super Bowl. You'd rather losing the title
Speaker 1: game and losing the Super Bowl because there are scars
Speaker 1: that come with it. Now, whether you believe in that
Speaker 1: or not is another conversation, but just in general, there
Speaker 1: are no promises win the game. You got here, Oh
Speaker 1: that is true. But if you're in the a f
Speaker 1: C West, don't you have to look at it from
Speaker 1: now on? Is I've got to build my team specifically
Speaker 1: to stop Patrick Mahomes in the division, and they have
Speaker 1: an edge. But Andy Reid. Andy Reid is a great example.
Speaker 1: I mean, I keep talking about how he's, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe the most influential coach at last twenty years. He
Speaker 1: hasn't been in a Super Bowl since fifteen years ago.
Speaker 1: They weren't you know, they lost that one. He has
Speaker 1: not been back since. He's had a lot of good
Speaker 1: teams since then, and he hasn't been able to get back.
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan, who's coming off you know, when he was
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl as a coordinator, one of the
Speaker 1: toughest moments, like you can possibly imagine. He he knows it,
Speaker 1: he said, watching those Mike Shanahan teams for a while.
Speaker 1: You know, as a kid, he didn't think the FC
Speaker 1: was even allowed to win a Super Bowl. He knows
Speaker 1: how precious it is, how brutal it is. That was
Speaker 1: an insane run of dominance by the NFC. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think if you want to look at a group
Speaker 1: of people that faithfully returned to the Super Bowl every year,
Speaker 1: it seems to be us. We're the one guaranteed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we do make it every every year. Why until this year?
Speaker 1: Because you're still there some events that have transpored. I mean,
Speaker 1: the waters are relatively calm underneath the boat at the moment.
Speaker 1: Famous last words, my friends, although, like I said, God
Speaker 1: is under control. That was for the listening. I have
Speaker 1: streamed out the whole The captain looked back at me
Speaker 1: with every anybody else want to throw one out there
Speaker 1: that I haven't touched ont but you definitely want to
Speaker 1: hit Mark you had. I know. Oh, I'm like a
Speaker 1: little annoyed that people have dismissed my sandwich proposition from
Speaker 1: much earlier on in the Mark's holding the microphone handle
Speaker 1: really tight again. Sorry, but you can see the veins
Speaker 1: bulging out of your hand. Just how my hands work
Speaker 1: that it puts everybody on it. I don't do it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I knew what I do it this way? Doesn't that
Speaker 1: put me on it? Do not try to blow up
Speaker 1: Another of my narratives, this was the one that a
Speaker 1: player will because are literally throbbing, will miss playing time
Speaker 1: due to be by an animal. Will a player will
Speaker 1: be miss playing time at least part of the game
Speaker 1: due to being attacked by an animal, and there is
Speaker 1: still an opportunity for that. Miami is a rough and
Speaker 1: tumble environment. A lot can happen to me, and the
Speaker 1: out of trees lesson like a like a twenty pound
Speaker 1: of guana sitting around. It was huge that it was.
Speaker 1: It was a big guy, and we saw some turkey
Speaker 1: vultures on the animals. You're right, if this is the
Speaker 1: city where an animal could take a player out? Is
Speaker 1: how I'm holding this? Count? Mike Mark brother uh thousand
Speaker 1: shows together. I guess no idea who we were. Does
Speaker 1: it count if an animal hurts a player during the
Speaker 1: week and then they missed the game? Next it was.
Speaker 1: It was not just in game. I don't believe it
Speaker 1: was in on the boat next door. Um, how about
Speaker 1: how about the narrative that liked the forty Niners are
Speaker 1: old school, Like, give me a break. They're like the
Speaker 1: most the most modern sort of creative inventive with their
Speaker 1: running game. That of any team in the league, if
Speaker 1: any other team could imitate what Kyle Shanahan does, they
Speaker 1: would do it. No one can do it. He's ahead
Speaker 1: of the game. It's like, oh, they're old school. This
Speaker 1: proves that running the football still has a place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you've got Kyle Shanahan, because he's often like people
Speaker 1: are gonna be doing it's stupid. Yeah, I I hear
Speaker 1: what you're saying. Although it is interesting that the quarterback
Speaker 1: there with sixteen times or whatever, it's definitely interesting. It's
Speaker 1: just not old school. I think it bubbled up along
Speaker 1: with the Titans. You know that this was not the
Speaker 1: playoff approach we thought we'd get back in last you know,
Speaker 1: last January or February, when everyone was hiring Kurus to
Speaker 1: set passing games of fire. Oh, he just was the
Speaker 1: Mohito bar I like that. That was their plan against
Speaker 1: the Vikings. Running down their throat, but they fell into
Speaker 1: the Packers game plan like they were gonna pass, and
Speaker 1: then they thought, why are we even passing on these guys?
Speaker 1: They're not even close? Didn't need to did I mention,
Speaker 1: by the way, and I'm all mention it again that
Speaker 1: this wonderful podcast, um aboard Captain Spiros's Ship Around the
Speaker 1: NFL podcast is presented by did you on the stock
Speaker 1: up on Dijon no pizza for the big game? Uh?
Speaker 1: And um we are now I think about too soon
Speaker 1: head back toward Port and it's time to get ready
Speaker 1: to say goodbye. A reminder once again if you are
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Speaker 1: uh live in person talking a little ball and then
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Speaker 1: Come come on down to the Miami Improv get tickets
Speaker 1: and um and we'll have a great old time together
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Speaker 1: tourn Uh any other thoughts. Thursday again will be our
Speaker 1: proper Super Bowl fifty four preview with our game picks
Speaker 1: and all that russo as you as you mentioned and
Speaker 1: the great Mad Dog, Well I was saying a Dan,
Speaker 1: because I mean, you know, we all I grew up
Speaker 1: listening with my dad in the car to Mike and
Speaker 1: the mad Dog hundreds and hundreds of hours, and you know,
Speaker 1: I told him a couple of times, Hey, we have
Speaker 1: this guest on or this guest on, and it's it's
Speaker 1: all a nice experience. I think in his mind he's
Speaker 1: happy that it's happening. But when I mentioned mad Dog Russo,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh wow, because that goes back, that's deep
Speaker 1: respects on your podcast. I wonder how many people at
Speaker 1: NFL Network would not be there if it were not
Speaker 1: for Mike and the mad Dog. Well they certainly left
Speaker 1: a huge imprint. And one of their sneered at that.
Speaker 1: But like I am saying that there are maybe maybe
Speaker 1: the number is four or five, but it was the engine.
Speaker 1: But I'll say, yes, Mike and mad Dog were not influential.
Speaker 1: Greg you Now this time, I'm not saying that I
Speaker 1: had ever seen. I'm rolling through all the people on
Speaker 1: our air in my mind. Give me one, gi me.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my ease. Yeah, that he wouldn't have
Speaker 1: made it without old mad Dog. You got two of
Speaker 1: them on this book. Omaris is the one guy in
Speaker 1: our company that made it without ever tracking Chris Russo,
Speaker 1: so he he beat the odds. Um any, we're excited
Speaker 1: for mad Dog and talking more ball and thank you again,
Speaker 1: uh to this wonderful crew about aboard the Van Dutch
Speaker 1: led by Captain Spiro's who, despite the threat of a
Speaker 1: looming natural disaster, never blinked and we thank you for that. Captain,
Speaker 1: I thank you so much. He's a he's a good man.
Speaker 1: Thank you everybody for having us. Uh. This is part
Speaker 1: of the Stella fleet, by the way, and if you
Speaker 1: want to, if you're again in the area Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
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Speaker 1: and get loose, right, I guess yeah. But they got
Speaker 1: these boats. We've got some celebrities coming down. I heard
Speaker 1: Prianka Chopra is gonna be here, Jane Slater is gonna
Speaker 1: be here. Wait cho We once had a producer who
Speaker 1: kept promising we were gonna get Prianka on the show,
Speaker 1: and it never it never happened. It felt a grand
Speaker 1: failure by that one producer. It fell through. But I
Speaker 1: did enjoy her song Welcome to My City, Uh, the
Speaker 1: original intro to Thursday night football people forget. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: we've ever done. Right, I don't know content wise, I've
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Speaker 1: And the sun's out and the skies are blue and
Speaker 1: there's a gentle breason. I'm on the water. I need
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Speaker 1: the old Zeuser a little loose himself, Little Dan Handler
Speaker 1: a little looser signing off for a quiet storm, the Mailman,
Speaker 1: the old Boss, Ricky Hollywood, Captain Spiro's and the whole
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