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Speaker 1: turtle knack. Welcome to another edition of the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL Podcast. My name is Gregg Rosenthal, and I am
Speaker 1: here in a room over stuffed with heroes, Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: Chris Westling, and back in the studio. Patrick, Yes, it
Speaker 1: must be the all season baby. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: say it. I didn't want to say it because it's
Speaker 1: not really it's not right. It's not fair that that
Speaker 1: in first things that aren't true, Patrick Clayband. But Dan
Speaker 1: Hansis are our great host is with his family um
Speaker 1: near the coal mines right now. And uh, who would
Speaker 1: we who would we ask first, you know, for the
Speaker 1: first you know, to kick off the off season. And
Speaker 1: Patrick Claiban, Well, I mean the joke would be that
Speaker 1: you would ask several people. Now we didn't. We didn't.
Speaker 1: We haven't had you in the studio since you've been,
Speaker 1: you know, rocking a very thick dark beard. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of you have a new look and it's going
Speaker 1: very well for you, and people seeing you on television
Speaker 1: can't help a comment when they observe. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's because I was so boring probably before and and
Speaker 1: that's why, and that was the inspiration. It was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm nearly invisible and so um, I didn't shave out
Speaker 1: of sheer laziness and just a h I was in
Speaker 1: a dark place. Wow, you feel seen? Yeah, I feel seen.
Speaker 1: I see why people like do things and wear fancy
Speaker 1: clothes and everything because people. Greg did not grow a
Speaker 1: beard because he thought he was boring that, I can
Speaker 1: promise you. Uh. That reminds me of a theory I
Speaker 1: heard someone say about a relatively prominent person. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to say who, um that wears a mustache, and uh,
Speaker 1: someone basically just said, like trying to figure out if
Speaker 1: they wear a mustache. It's kind of like a giveaway,
Speaker 1: like people that have mustaches they don't have anything else
Speaker 1: going on that they just kind of have this mustache
Speaker 1: as it's like, hey, that there's something different about me,
Speaker 1: Like they're ultimately hiding, um an empty vessel in We're
Speaker 1: not talking like nine or something to read inch, but
Speaker 1: sweeping generalization to some degree. These are the types of
Speaker 1: things you can think about in the off season, like
Speaker 1: that we can just take a little breath and contemplate
Speaker 1: what facial hair mean. Don't you guys feel better? Mark
Speaker 1: and West like no, right now? Then like week, I mean,
Speaker 1: what's just in Monday? Even Yeah, it's night and day.
Speaker 1: I thought you were asking a deeper question now, I
Speaker 1: mean feel better, like not like a weights off our shoulders.
Speaker 1: But it's just like suddenly you're just in this other
Speaker 1: lane of of human existence and mental thinking that it
Speaker 1: wasn't the case a week ago. We've talked about this
Speaker 1: a few times, and it weighs unders the sun shines
Speaker 1: a little bit brighter because it's like, oh, we don't
Speaker 1: have eighteen game previews to take, you know, dense notes
Speaker 1: for this week. There's nothing to preview, there's nothing to
Speaker 1: talk about. I don't even know what we're doing here.
Speaker 1: We have a lot. Come on. I am a better
Speaker 1: human being. I'm a better husband, I'm a better friend,
Speaker 1: I'm a better brother, I'm a better person. When it's
Speaker 1: the off season, I think I might be the exact same.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, well, you're good all the time.
Speaker 1: We we go up and down more you're good all
Speaker 1: the time. Well, it's there's less people in the parking
Speaker 1: lot right now. That's sure you get better parking. That's tangible.
Speaker 1: When when you have a position like I do here,
Speaker 1: and it's based on what happens to the important people
Speaker 1: above me. So the off season happens and they're gone,
Speaker 1: and so I'm working more, and so it's like, I
Speaker 1: this is it. Like I'm a shark and I'm swimming
Speaker 1: and this is my time. This is when. This is
Speaker 1: when I can get in here and move around. We're
Speaker 1: shorts to work do some things now. I I feel you,
Speaker 1: Dan and I for the first time ever, we did
Speaker 1: an NFL Now hit on Tuesday where and you were
Speaker 1: the host, Patrick, So you were in one chair, Dan
Speaker 1: was in another, and I was another, all in three
Speaker 1: different buildings, which is a ridiculous thing to be, you know.
Speaker 1: But that like they would never be asking for for
Speaker 1: our takes on like Hall of Fame. Uh, if anyone
Speaker 1: else was willing to show up to work that day,
Speaker 1: you know, like if it was the regular season, that
Speaker 1: would never range. Multiple humble brags within that last paragraph
Speaker 1: or two by Greg But nothing, nothing's changed. It's yeah
Speaker 1: that there's always so many things that can change in
Speaker 1: the off season. We've got a good show. We um
Speaker 1: We've got a segment cooked up by Mark Sessler, which
Speaker 1: I think is important, and um, it's gonna it's gonna
Speaker 1: show what our goals are for our personal growth, like
Speaker 1: how how we can grow as humans and as people
Speaker 1: in this off season and maybe in somehow some NFL
Speaker 1: figures can grow as well. You know they always like
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, he would come back from the break and
Speaker 1: you'd have a whole new fall away. It's like he's
Speaker 1: always that's not that's not ap that actually happened, right,
Speaker 1: But this is we're gonna try to create our own
Speaker 1: little fun. There will be an NFL angle to it
Speaker 1: for people thinking they can jump on the episode twenty
Speaker 1: two minutes from now, which with the Jordan comp we
Speaker 1: wouldn't need to be obsessive about something we were already
Speaker 1: really good at, right, And then yeah, we we gotta
Speaker 1: add something to the arsenal, and maybe some NFL figures
Speaker 1: add something to the arsenal. And we got a decent
Speaker 1: amount of news because there's some catching up to do
Speaker 1: from last week. There's some post super Bowl fallout. We
Speaker 1: got some awards in Hall of Fame talk. We never
Speaker 1: really got into that. We might as well just do it, Ricky,
Speaker 1: a little bit of news you ready. I'll talk to
Speaker 1: Ill president, say, Mark Donovan, he made sure he was
Speaker 1: okay with the run, the Clark family, everybody involved because
Speaker 1: of his season. Because of that was Travis Kelsey, the
Speaker 1: Chiefs tight end, and Erica. You gotta have something ready.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember that. By the way,
Speaker 1: you gotta have something that you want to grow personally
Speaker 1: this offseason. Yeah, okay, so think about that, um, Travis Kelsey,
Speaker 1: he might want to think about working on that speech
Speaker 1: a little bit more like he had a lot of
Speaker 1: pressure on him because his brother had probably the greatest
Speaker 1: victory parade speech of all time, and there was a
Speaker 1: lot of talk going into it, and you could you
Speaker 1: could feel him working for something at the parade that
Speaker 1: didn't quite happen. It was too much pressure, right, It
Speaker 1: was a lot to live up to. It was Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: He's wearing a wacky Shriners. You are working this event
Speaker 1: somewhat right, So you were, you were on top of it. Well,
Speaker 1: I was just just from a spectator standpoint. I was
Speaker 1: watching it on my way out of the door. And
Speaker 1: it was so much because Patrick he was honestly, his
Speaker 1: voice was shot after all of his availabilities after the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and so it's like, well, here's this tight
Speaker 1: end he's gonna he's gonna finish up. He's batting clean
Speaker 1: up on the speeches, and you can hear his voice.
Speaker 1: He's labored, like here's the guy we've seen run over
Speaker 1: people and jump over guys, and he's struggling to get
Speaker 1: words out and he landed the plane. Ultimately at the end,
Speaker 1: he was going for like a big w W E theme.
Speaker 1: He had a whole thing. It reminded me a lot
Speaker 1: of the first best band speech I gave UM at
Speaker 1: my friend Dave's wedding. And I got up there and
Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna be great, and suddenly it
Speaker 1: was like Hamma hamna, like one of the worst experiences
Speaker 1: of my life, and I did a terrible job. There
Speaker 1: were a lot of people um complaining about one element beer.
Speaker 1: I think that there was there was an element of
Speaker 1: drunkenness to the Chiefs that some people in the Midwest
Speaker 1: that I just noticed on Twitter. I know, West, I
Speaker 1: noticed that you were live tweeting this event too. This
Speaker 1: is one of your favorite days of the year, next
Speaker 1: to the visiting the White House UM celebration, but the
Speaker 1: one it does remind me. Also, there was a time
Speaker 1: in college when like there was some event that was
Speaker 1: late to unfold and they're like, hey, man, can you
Speaker 1: just get up on stage and like kind of light
Speaker 1: up the crowd for fifteen twenty minutes and like something
Speaker 1: from deep within me was like, don't say yes to this.
Speaker 1: And then they they found some other total groube to
Speaker 1: get up on stage and he failed utterly, and I
Speaker 1: like that would have been neat this job. You don't
Speaker 1: go up and do that unless you know you're gonna
Speaker 1: nail it. And Kelsey, I think he thought he was
Speaker 1: gonna nail it, didntalize halfway through it was not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: He was also did he seemed slightly hammered or is
Speaker 1: it just me? I don't know. I'm just throwing that
Speaker 1: out there, but he was influenced by something there. There's
Speaker 1: been a decent amount of news kind of coming out.
Speaker 1: I guess this happens after every Super Bowl, um, but
Speaker 1: some relatively interesting stuff. Tom Palaceero said that the Chiefs
Speaker 1: are gonna try to figure out how to keep Sammy Watkins.
Speaker 1: Which maybe this wouldn't have, um, you know, made it
Speaker 1: to our news portion of the program, but I felt
Speaker 1: like we we sold Sammy Watkins short on the on
Speaker 1: the Recap show, It's like, Sammy Watkins just completed an
Speaker 1: incredible postseason almost a hundred yards uh um in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, almost a hundred yards per game. He's now
Speaker 1: had about five games for the Chiefs in the playoffs
Speaker 1: and he's averaging about a hundred yards per Sammy Watkins.
Speaker 1: I put this out on Twitter, and I'm getting ratioed.
Speaker 1: Is the new Eli Manning? You know, he's like he's
Speaker 1: just kind of there and a little overpaid, a little
Speaker 1: overrated during the regular season, and then he's clutch, uh
Speaker 1: and he wins super Bowls. For you. If we're gonna
Speaker 1: give Eli Manning some love, give it to Sammy. It
Speaker 1: sounds like you have Sammy watch You believe you have
Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins figured out, and I believe I can't. He's
Speaker 1: one of the hardest guys to figure out in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I feel like he should be a great player every year,
Speaker 1: every game, and he's a great player about tent of
Speaker 1: the time and the other seventy percent of the time,
Speaker 1: I'm wondering where he is. He's not retiring. That was
Speaker 1: the other item of the news. Is he he had
Speaker 1: mentioned maybe retiring, and he will not be retiring to
Speaker 1: his benefit. Um, when you're in the Super Bowl and
Speaker 1: you're one on one with Richard Charman, you get a
Speaker 1: nice inside release. People are gonna remember that. You get
Speaker 1: thirty yards. I don't know if they win the game,
Speaker 1: uh without that play and so under in fourteen yards
Speaker 1: in the a f C Championship last year, a hundred
Speaker 1: and fourteen yards in the a f C Championship this year. Well,
Speaker 1: so he's made essentially fifty four million dollars and the
Speaker 1: key memorable moments are infrequent for that amount of money.
Speaker 1: And he is someone that weeks ago was talking about
Speaker 1: leaving football altogether. So I find it to be an
Speaker 1: intriguing task on what you pay him and how much
Speaker 1: you commit to him. Isn't Eli the highest pig quarterback
Speaker 1: in NFL his right? That's I guess. It's just funny
Speaker 1: how if you're not a quarterback, it's like usually it's
Speaker 1: just if you do it in the playoffs, people love you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mike Glenn's got twenty six million dollars career wise, he
Speaker 1: didn't do anything do anything in the in the regular season.
Speaker 1: They would probably have to cut Watkins's salary. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he would want to do that. I think
Speaker 1: he is do uh. One million dollars is his capit
Speaker 1: next year and no slide against Sammy. DeMarcus Robinson is
Speaker 1: a really good football player, and I think more volume,
Speaker 1: more opportunity for him, uh would would help out. I
Speaker 1: think he's up against it too contract wise. I've been
Speaker 1: interested see the forty Niners fallout. Kyle Siennahan had a
Speaker 1: press conference Thursday, that's today as we're taping this, said
Speaker 1: he would not change any of his play calls. Said
Speaker 1: it's different than the Falcons one where he went back
Speaker 1: and looked and thought there was a lot of things
Speaker 1: he would do different. Said there's there's really no play
Speaker 1: call he would do different, and that he wouldn't do
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't have handled the end of the first half,
Speaker 1: and he differently either thought that not taking a time
Speaker 1: out there was a no brainer in his words, and
Speaker 1: whatever helps you sleep at night, buddy, you're raising your eyebrows. West.
Speaker 1: I don't believe him for a second. He's look a
Speaker 1: little haunted. He said he's watched the game like a
Speaker 1: thousand times, which is just has to be a haunt.
Speaker 1: So he's trying to convince himself he did the right thing,
Speaker 1: and maybe he succeeded in convincing himself for now, but
Speaker 1: it's gonna keep him up late at night this offseason.
Speaker 1: Plake calls, I believe him the time outs. That's right,
Speaker 1: time outs. I mean we've seen we saw that Chiefs defense,
Speaker 1: Chiefs offense scored seven consecutive touchdowns. We saw what they
Speaker 1: did in the fourth quarter. They had three time outs.
Speaker 1: If if you it's it's how Kyl Shanahan feels about
Speaker 1: his quarterback. Yeah, I don't think I'm picking that out
Speaker 1: from his comments, like, yeah, well that's what he said
Speaker 1: about Jimmy Garppolo is interesting too. He said, I feel
Speaker 1: the same about Jimmy Garoppolo after the Super Bowl as
Speaker 1: they did before. Well, interesting way to say the truth.
Speaker 1: But well, I think I view that is sticking up
Speaker 1: for Jimmy g Where everyone's down on Jimmy G two
Speaker 1: not not that differently than they were, you know a
Speaker 1: year ago with Jared Goff, where Jimmy g Stock is
Speaker 1: shot through the floor. Because the it's the most analyzed
Speaker 1: game of the year in any sport, and that's going
Speaker 1: to happen. But I don't have a problem with him
Speaker 1: not wanting to give the ball back to the Chiefs
Speaker 1: at the end of that half. I just don't. But
Speaker 1: I do. I think that he would have done everything
Speaker 1: the same. No, but what part of his thing was
Speaker 1: He game planned for this for two weeks and he
Speaker 1: wouldn't have changed anything that he prepared before the game.
Speaker 1: And it was no crazy play calls on that there
Speaker 1: were place to be made and and you know, no
Speaker 1: one's rule that the defense has to give up twenty one.
Speaker 1: It was unusually conservative for for cost, and it went
Speaker 1: against his character. They threw eight passes in the game before.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm not convinced it with super conservative when
Speaker 1: when they initially got the ball and the drive they
Speaker 1: scored on before that, I'm thinking to myself, do they
Speaker 1: have enough time to score? Here's the thing, though, with
Speaker 1: the way he even explained it, saying taking taking not
Speaker 1: taking time out was a no brainer. I'll buy that
Speaker 1: because you but then you had the ball with fifty
Speaker 1: eight seconds and three time outs. Your offense at that
Speaker 1: point had been gaining seven point six yards for play.
Speaker 1: I mean that's dominant you are. You are handling the
Speaker 1: Chiefs defense. There, there's no reason to get the ball
Speaker 1: and expect your team to go have a three and
Speaker 1: out when you're playing great on offense. It's just like
Speaker 1: a it's it's a scare. It's sort of like a
Speaker 1: cautious way of things. There's no reason to expect you
Speaker 1: to start failing when the evidence is showing you that
Speaker 1: your offense has an advantage. And Okay, it's fifty eight
Speaker 1: seconds left, that's plenty of time for them to go score.
Speaker 1: But the thing that bothered me is he ran the
Speaker 1: ball up the middle two plays in row and was
Speaker 1: just hoping to get the half time. He was not
Speaker 1: trying to score. He opted all of us in the
Speaker 1: in the press box. He wasn't doing what was come
Speaker 1: naturally to him. He was doing what he was thinking
Speaker 1: extra hard about, which made him cautious effect on people.
Speaker 1: They make people do crazy things. Well, I mean, you
Speaker 1: saw it on third and fifteen, which is a play
Speaker 1: that is central to the game, along with those Chris
Speaker 1: Jones tip passes. But those things don't happen, and as
Speaker 1: much as it we notice it in the time, we're
Speaker 1: just not talking about the end of the first half.
Speaker 1: You know, like it just grants game of the game.
Speaker 1: It just wouldn't matter because the forty Niners would have
Speaker 1: the trophy, but the Chiefs made plays at the end
Speaker 1: of the game. The forty Niners didn't make. You're the
Speaker 1: team with all the what ifs. So we're digging back
Speaker 1: through the game and then that sticks out. It's true.
Speaker 1: I do think the coaches and especially in this case,
Speaker 1: tend to take a little too much of the criticism
Speaker 1: and I've been guilty of doing that compared to just
Speaker 1: like these are. It's ultimately about the players, and the
Speaker 1: players mostly win and lose the game, and the Chiefs
Speaker 1: made if he can get your stand off Craig on
Speaker 1: a situational you know, I think it was wrong, but
Speaker 1: I think the reaction to it is maybe just and
Speaker 1: I and I and was part of that in the
Speaker 1: in our recap show was just a little outsize compared
Speaker 1: to all the other things. Well, that's what this game does.
Speaker 1: And we've talked about this. It's the reason that Andy
Speaker 1: Reid was criticized unfairly for fifteen years. Um, well you
Speaker 1: gotta you got I get it. But maybe that's the
Speaker 1: players too. But you gotta be able to do a
Speaker 1: two minute drive in less than seven minutes. Well, next
Speaker 1: next year, when we do the Thursday pot if the
Speaker 1: super instead of doing all of this, what did what
Speaker 1: did the losing coach and players do wrong? Let's just
Speaker 1: do ten minutes on randomness or or what the winning
Speaker 1: team I mean that, I mean that I'm not saying,
Speaker 1: and we could can have a we could have a good,
Speaker 1: smart coming conversation about vicissitudes and rings. I think one
Speaker 1: of the things would be that Jimmy Garoppolo you mentioned
Speaker 1: Chris Jones. Now, some of those are just good plays
Speaker 1: by Chris Jones. Some of them is just you play
Speaker 1: that game a bunch of times and it's never gonna
Speaker 1: happen again. Four passes batted down at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: Jimmy g had six the entire season, the lowest of
Speaker 1: any quarterback who who had thrown as many as he did.
Speaker 1: So he had as almost as many in that game
Speaker 1: as the entire rest of the season. And you're right
Speaker 1: that that did change the game. It did. Emmanuel Sanders
Speaker 1: said he's watched the game five times too. It just
Speaker 1: seems unhelped. That's four more than I looking for. He
Speaker 1: said he was looking for a different ending, like watching
Speaker 1: the Titanic thinking, which that's it's gotta be tough. That's
Speaker 1: not how recorded events were, right, Maybe that's the only
Speaker 1: way you moved past it. But I just man that
Speaker 1: he's a He's a stronger uh man than than I
Speaker 1: think I could ever be. Uh. Let's move on past
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Let's talk a little uh Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: We did not speak about the report and Ian rap report.
Speaker 1: Our guy has followed it up a few times that
Speaker 1: the Patriots are willing to pay Tom Brady thirty million
Speaker 1: dollars or more, which I think is very significant. Also
Speaker 1: reported um by Ian was that the Chargers would show
Speaker 1: some interest, and then and reported by ESPN is that
Speaker 1: Tom Brady made it to the free agent market, that
Speaker 1: the Raiders would be expected to show a ton of
Speaker 1: interest and all. That's fine. But once I heard Ian
Speaker 1: rapped Ian say the Patriots are willing to pay him
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars, I kind of was like that that's
Speaker 1: a rap, Like he's he's coming back to the Patriots.
Speaker 1: Oh not on purpose. Well, it never made sense to
Speaker 1: me that this was for all of the prime of
Speaker 1: his career, the last decade, he didn't care about money.
Speaker 1: He took pay cuts so the team could be stronger.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, at age forty three, he's greedy
Speaker 1: and he only wants to be about money and you
Speaker 1: better pay me. And Mike Giardi's report makes a lot
Speaker 1: more sense to me that he cares much more about
Speaker 1: them upgrading the weapons around him than breaking the bank
Speaker 1: on this contract. Yeah, I'm with you this. I mean,
Speaker 1: the idea of a money grab when you're within the
Speaker 1: marriage family structure that he's in money is not the first.
Speaker 1: There's my question with him as these reports and weeks
Speaker 1: have gone on, is what is the level of interest
Speaker 1: in the pay tree. It's especially Bill Belichick in in
Speaker 1: bringing Tom Brady back. So the the idea that they
Speaker 1: would pay him thirty million dollars would indicate to me
Speaker 1: it's high, it's it's high, and they're gonna bring him back.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't know that, And I feel like Ian,
Speaker 1: you know, I thought there was like a chance they
Speaker 1: would go Stidham and Teddy Bridgewater or something like that.
Speaker 1: I really did. I think it's I think it has
Speaker 1: to do with what else is out there, and like
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton is not is that's nice that people like
Speaker 1: to connect the dots and put Andy Dalton in New
Speaker 1: England and all this stuff. But that no, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's flats out there. People have lits, little mentions of
Speaker 1: maybe Andy Dalton would be a fit for the pen.
Speaker 1: There is immense exhaustion around this entire topic. It cannot
Speaker 1: be sealed up quickly enough. Either figure it out, Just
Speaker 1: figure it out, figure out we're gonna go. I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear another report about it. Claybone wants to
Speaker 1: jump in. I know he's he's well, he's not into
Speaker 1: the hole like taking less money for the team. Uh,
Speaker 1: narrative with with Brady? Well what else? I mean? I
Speaker 1: don't want to get too far in the conspiracy theories,
Speaker 1: but I think Tom Brady is being compensated us of
Speaker 1: the amount that he needs to be to play for
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots. Um. I mean he he owns
Speaker 1: a company that is running in is operational and you
Speaker 1: can go to today at um Patriot Place, Patriot Place.
Speaker 1: So that's not a conspiracy, that is I don't you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know how that plays into your conspirator, but
Speaker 1: I do think in terms of what Tom Brady wants, uh,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady wants to be wanted by the New England Patriots.
Speaker 1: I think he's he's a guy that's obsessed with the
Speaker 1: way he's perceived by the people that he works with,
Speaker 1: and if they are willing to give him thirty million dollars,
Speaker 1: then that says, Tom, we want you. I want Jared's Dinham.
Speaker 1: We don't want Andy Dalton, we don't want hypothetically Cam Newton.
Speaker 1: We want you. We love you, Tom. We will work
Speaker 1: out with your doctor, we will sell your wares, feed
Speaker 1: away from the stadium. We love you, are you are everything.
Speaker 1: It's Phil, It's Bill Belichick. He knows Robert Kraft wants,
Speaker 1: wants to, he knows New England wants, and he knows
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels wants. And it's the whole thing of does
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick still want me? Does he still want him?
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy Bill Belichick who was
Speaker 1: ready to move forward with Jimmy Garoppolo. Of everything that
Speaker 1: came out of the whole UH deflate gate, in that
Speaker 1: whole drama with Jimmy Jean after that, the one I
Speaker 1: think salient point to me as a Patriots fan was
Speaker 1: Belichick was very ready to just move forward with Jimmy Garoppolo,
Speaker 1: and so that's in Tom Brady's mind. A couple of
Speaker 1: years later, I would imagine that this guy might not
Speaker 1: want me. I still I'm not really sure, but it
Speaker 1: might not be Bill Belichick's decision. It might be Robert
Speaker 1: Kraft's decision. Let's move on Todd Gurley. I was like
Speaker 1: waiting for Dan to come in. Uh. Todd Gurley is
Speaker 1: going to meet with the Los Angeles Rams, according to
Speaker 1: uh Ian and Tom pel Sero, they reported this on
Speaker 1: NFL Now, to discuss all options about his future. Mark
Speaker 1: what um, what options do you think that could be?
Speaker 1: That could mean? Well, I mean there were reports out there,
Speaker 1: not a report, someone speculated that the team wanted to
Speaker 1: find a way to trade him. I'm sure they'd love
Speaker 1: to trade him. You're not gonna find a trade partner
Speaker 1: for the amount of money is making. And he has
Speaker 1: a guaranteed eight million dollars seven point five five million
Speaker 1: dollar roster bonus landing on March twenty. And I would
Speaker 1: imagine with the immense money tied up with him over,
Speaker 1: it's not just a year or two down the road,
Speaker 1: deep down the road that they do you restructure are
Speaker 1: you angling to try to convince gurly that this like
Speaker 1: are you gonna cut him? You cut him? And it's
Speaker 1: it's it is a wild cap hit. It doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like it would make any sense to cut him because
Speaker 1: you would just be paying as much money to cut him,
Speaker 1: if not more, I think more so. It's not status
Speaker 1: quo though you don't talk to that, but it's this
Speaker 1: whole thing of like they he is this, you know,
Speaker 1: a superstar. He's been important to them, and there's the
Speaker 1: health aspect that you know, the usage, which he wasn't
Speaker 1: thrilled about it something I don't There's a lot going
Speaker 1: on there, but I don't know what options they really have.
Speaker 1: I feel like they don't have any options. Well why
Speaker 1: talk What are they talking to him about? Right? That's
Speaker 1: you know, right, Well it's about they said, his future
Speaker 1: and his status with the team. So it would that
Speaker 1: would indicate that his status with the team is not guaranteed,
Speaker 1: which is weird considering where we came from, um, where
Speaker 1: we were in that run to the super Bowl where
Speaker 1: he was hurt. I mean we we could see clearly
Speaker 1: he was hurt and he was still playing through it,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem like he's he's recovered from that sense,
Speaker 1: because someone could talk to less sneat about some of
Speaker 1: the contracts being handed out by the Rams in general.
Speaker 1: There are some some numbers around certain players that are hamstring.
Speaker 1: You know, I know, I get I get it. If
Speaker 1: the cap is bigger than the planet Jupiter this point,
Speaker 1: just pay everyone everything. But this contract stands out as
Speaker 1: messy girls does. I have no problem really with the
Speaker 1: goff one. And so that's the only one that I
Speaker 1: think the Girls on time when they extended Tavon Austin
Speaker 1: for doing literally nothing other than underperforming and being over drafted,
Speaker 1: they were just like they needed a little juice for
Speaker 1: that season of Hard Knocks that was kind of a snooze.
Speaker 1: That was before things were going great exactly. We're just
Speaker 1: saying there is a history of over pain, like you
Speaker 1: have a nice year and then bang, you get overpaid.
Speaker 1: I know we're not supposed to say anything about the
Speaker 1: Rams on this show, so I will curtail my thoughts.
Speaker 1: That is like in your head, you can know it's
Speaker 1: not We've said whatever you want. You can say whatever
Speaker 1: you want. So after a budget backs got paid, are
Speaker 1: we right back to where we were that running back
Speaker 1: shouldn't get paid anymore. I think I think even farther. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not that they shouldn't, but that it might be tough
Speaker 1: for him too. I don't think he's getting a Todd
Speaker 1: Gurley type of contract, which is what he indicated he
Speaker 1: would want. Well, if you read into his interview with
Speaker 1: Rich Eyes and he missed understood what Eisen was saying
Speaker 1: about Zeke Elliott being the floor, he thought, he thought Eisen,
Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott has the floor right now, like he has
Speaker 1: the floor. He's the running back who has all the money. Um,
Speaker 1: But I don't think Derrick Henry is gonna get near
Speaker 1: with Zeke Elliott cut. There's just there's gotta be a
Speaker 1: carve out in the CBA or something specifically for running
Speaker 1: backs in terms of the way that they're paid. You
Speaker 1: come in as a rookie, you can get run into
Speaker 1: the ground and you will never get another opportunity. I'm
Speaker 1: not as different than any other position. It is it
Speaker 1: is sort of unfair that the best parts of their
Speaker 1: career are while they're not getting paid. You know that much.
Speaker 1: And uh, I think they went too far with the
Speaker 1: rookie wade scale last time. I mean, everyone was saying
Speaker 1: how it's been. It's like great for the NFL, and
Speaker 1: rookies kind of got I mean rookies thought like, there's
Speaker 1: so many players that are so underpaid, and the teams
Speaker 1: actually aren't spending that cap space anyways, they're just saving
Speaker 1: it or they're giving it to mid level veterans, and
Speaker 1: and a lot of these rookies, especially if they're a
Speaker 1: first rounder, they only you know, it's like Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: in theory. I mean he's a different case, but in
Speaker 1: theory he's like under contract for two million dollars next year. Well,
Speaker 1: it's great because it wiped out us having to track
Speaker 1: super tedious part good, but I think they went a
Speaker 1: little too far where the rookies are under paid. You've
Speaker 1: mentioned mid little bit, mid level veterans, but they're right
Speaker 1: there beside. Running Back says the other the other group
Speaker 1: that gets hurt by this c B A um, your
Speaker 1: guys when you can take a shot draft some guys
Speaker 1: that you don't have to pay for four years. I
Speaker 1: agree that that should be something that the NFL p
Speaker 1: A should be actively working to fix, helping the mid
Speaker 1: level veterans. You know who you know who is getting
Speaker 1: paid at least for another extra couple of years. Anthony
Speaker 1: Lynn the Chargers UH head coach contract extension kind of
Speaker 1: slipped out there. It's one of those vague ones where
Speaker 1: it's says at least so it might have been just
Speaker 1: getting one year tacked on to his previous deal. We
Speaker 1: don't know the details of it, but either way, he's
Speaker 1: they're moving into the stadium. UH given Anthony Lynn a
Speaker 1: little vote of confidence, which I think I think, Um,
Speaker 1: it was important because you weren't quite totally sure where
Speaker 1: his status was, and I think you're seeing with Rivers
Speaker 1: gone in Florida and likely gone for good and Anthony
Speaker 1: Lynn staying like that, that was a pretty clear message,
Speaker 1: I think from from their ownership. I know you're an
Speaker 1: Anthony Lynn fan. Clay, Yeah, I think Coach Lynn is
Speaker 1: honest with us, and that's what I enjoy. When you
Speaker 1: have a coach that will answer questions. It doesn't feel
Speaker 1: like he has to mind trick you or run through
Speaker 1: platitudes exclusively. And um, I'm excited for what the the
Speaker 1: the Lynn vision of the cold of the of the
Speaker 1: Chargers is, um because I don't I'm not sure we've
Speaker 1: seen it here. It might be Tyrode start in Week one.
Speaker 1: But I really hope now that I've gotten this totally speculative,
Speaker 1: irresponsible idea into my head, I'm really gonna run it
Speaker 1: into the ground as much as I can. I'm totally
Speaker 1: into the Cam Newton Chargers week one. Forget getting trying
Speaker 1: to get Tom Brady. You're gonna have a forty three
Speaker 1: year old for one year or whatever. Like they are
Speaker 1: the team that should just give up a little too
Speaker 1: much for Cam Newton and take a huge risk. You're
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are impossible to get. You're not gonna get one
Speaker 1: without taking a huge risk. I would rather take one
Speaker 1: on Cam Newton then take one on whoever you're gonna
Speaker 1: get with number six or figuring out, you know, let's
Speaker 1: make Tyrod work or whatever. I'll do respect to Tyrod
Speaker 1: Cam Newton as a Los Angeles charge or open in
Speaker 1: that stadium. There's some juice. Yeah. I think one thing
Speaker 1: happening here reading like what Tom Talesco had to say
Speaker 1: is that the GM likes to coach. They get along
Speaker 1: really well, and so you don't just blow that up.
Speaker 1: And also, this is a team in a particularly unusual
Speaker 1: situation compared to any other team in the league. You're
Speaker 1: gonna need buy in from your coach to go into
Speaker 1: a stadium where you're probably going to have thousand fans
Speaker 1: and maybe twenty five thousand empty seats and forty thousand
Speaker 1: visiting fans or whatever. I don't know that that adds
Speaker 1: up to more seats that are in that stadium, But
Speaker 1: I mean it's if if Land wants in and he's
Speaker 1: and he's bought into this project, Like you don't jump ship, right,
Speaker 1: and it's good stability to Laska has been there since
Speaker 1: For a team that is kind of all over the
Speaker 1: place in terms of where they're playing and everything like that,
Speaker 1: they actually have a lot of stability. They're on a
Speaker 1: collision course with apathy, so they need to do something.
Speaker 1: They have a talented team, though, right, who cares if
Speaker 1: they win or lose? Literally, well, the National they don't
Speaker 1: have fans manage of NFL fans care whether the Charges
Speaker 1: win or lose. Right, this ship their fan base and
Speaker 1: this is the result by far less than any other
Speaker 1: fan base. This bomb that Greg has planted in my
Speaker 1: brain and I guess everybody that's listening now, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's unstoppable. It's in there and here's the thing. I
Speaker 1: think the Panthers should keep Cam, and my guess is
Speaker 1: they will if I had to guess, because he sort
Speaker 1: of fits what they would you would think would want
Speaker 1: to do. But what they had the Panthers have made it.
Speaker 1: They have not made any statement whatsoever that like Cam's
Speaker 1: our guy, and until they do it kind of makes you,
Speaker 1: you know, think that they would listen at least and
Speaker 1: I you would think that they would listen to an
Speaker 1: aggressive offer. They punted on Greg Olsens so fast. That's right. Well,
Speaker 1: this will be the time of year where like a
Speaker 1: new coaching staff is looking at for the first time,
Speaker 1: so they may not have a decision, right, that's fair.
Speaker 1: Kickly has gone, Olsen has gone, Thomas Davis has been
Speaker 1: gone for a little while. It's it's a different Panthers organization.
Speaker 1: Let's before we move on to a little afternoon delight
Speaker 1: quickly go over um, just the awards. Maybe this is unnecessary, West,
Speaker 1: What do you think Am I doing a good job
Speaker 1: putting together the show? Even throwing awards talk into it.
Speaker 1: I just feel like we talk awards a lot during
Speaker 1: the season, and then the m v P was given out.
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson unanimous UM Coach of the Year was given out.
Speaker 1: John Harbaugh had about double the votes of Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 1: I think they made the right call. That would have
Speaker 1: been my one two in that order as well. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then we question you like I'm getting to it,
Speaker 1: and then we get to uh, Greg's looking for a
Speaker 1: mid show grade. Yeah, we get to uh, you know
Speaker 1: it actually happening. We don't have anything to say about it?
Speaker 1: Or we should we talk about it? That's my question.
Speaker 1: You lost me somewhere along the way. Are you asking
Speaker 1: me how you're doing or whether I'm asking if we
Speaker 1: needed to put this into the show or not. The
Speaker 1: award Kyler Murray Offensive Rookie of the Year, for instance,
Speaker 1: that might be the only one that I would quibble with.
Speaker 1: While I'm very happy for the Arizona Cardinals that Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray is the quarterback and he was exciting to watch,
Speaker 1: he was not one of the top half of quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in the league. And Josh Jacobs for a long time
Speaker 1: was one of the top six or seven running backs
Speaker 1: in the NFL. He was a difference maker as far
Speaker 1: as wins and losses and carrying that team for a while.
Speaker 1: I would have given it to him. I looked the
Speaker 1: rest of the list and I I mean not that
Speaker 1: this would this stuff would keep me up at night
Speaker 1: to begin with. But I didn't have a single complaint
Speaker 1: because I feel like talking about what day did you
Speaker 1: look at this list? Oh? It was today? No, but
Speaker 1: I heard little whispers, you know, like as we were
Speaker 1: traveling around they did. They did a good job with
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill has come back because I think we always
Speaker 1: agreed that that award is so murky. But his story,
Speaker 1: to me is a comeback story because he's completely changed
Speaker 1: his earning ability and what we think about. I would
Speaker 1: have liked Aaron Waller, but i'll that works to accept
Speaker 1: that works too. It seemed to me because like Manny
Speaker 1: Sanders towards Achilles at fair end of the season and
Speaker 1: then he comes back plays were regular season games than
Speaker 1: anybody because of the mid season trade, makes his way
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. Um, I get the Tannehill had
Speaker 1: to come back and change an entire organization. I just, uh, well,
Speaker 1: how about we do a comeback player of the roster
Speaker 1: and we just get one for every position, because it
Speaker 1: seems like this one one position where or one award
Speaker 1: where there are a lot of candidates there were There
Speaker 1: were a lot this year. Wilder got some Sanders did
Speaker 1: I think, get a few votes, but he was pretty
Speaker 1: far below. I was a little surprised about Stefon Gilmour
Speaker 1: winning going away Defensive Player of the Year. I like
Speaker 1: the methodology there because to me, it seemed like it
Speaker 1: was almost like a defensive Heisman, and that he was
Speaker 1: the most outstanding defensive player at his position, and the
Speaker 1: other guys, all the defensive lineman, they were kind of
Speaker 1: a log jam. Chandler Jones came in second in the voting.
Speaker 1: That surprised me that he finished with more votes than
Speaker 1: t J. And then Watt was about a vote or
Speaker 1: two behind Jones. It was relatively close. But are people
Speaker 1: not watching t J Watt? I mean, how does I
Speaker 1: That's what I think. People are looking at sack totals
Speaker 1: and I hate that because sack totals just don't tell
Speaker 1: us enough. I think, Um, maybe people have made the
Speaker 1: decision early too. Because Davante Parker torched Stefan Gilmore at
Speaker 1: the end of the season. Well that's what I thought.
Speaker 1: He was maybe gotta lose the award just because of
Speaker 1: that one game. Um, but it did not happen that way,
Speaker 1: So shout out to us Stefan Gilmore, a good job
Speaker 1: by him, big winner the Ravens getting both coordinators back
Speaker 1: next year. We seemed like one of them, if not both,
Speaker 1: might be gone. Yeah, that's that's true. I'm looking I mean,
Speaker 1: they're like, I wouldn't want to mess with anything with
Speaker 1: that team. I'm looking forward to watching them. Also on
Speaker 1: Saturday night, while they were giving out the awards, uh,
Speaker 1: they did announce the new Hall of Fame class, headlined
Speaker 1: by Troy Paula malo Um. What do we think about
Speaker 1: this class? Eduard James gets in, Uh, Isaac Bruce gets in?
Speaker 1: Who am I forget? Steve Hutchinson gets in and then
Speaker 1: who's the last one? Five? Well, you named them, Steve Attwater,
Speaker 1: you named you hit all? The is the five known?
Speaker 1: Want any any hot takes out of this clay this
Speaker 1: it's not super hot. I mean you made a good
Speaker 1: point about Tory holt Um being the guy that you
Speaker 1: thought about on that ramp seam, and I think he
Speaker 1: gets in and when you look back, like all of
Speaker 1: these multiple super Bowl playing teams, not that they won
Speaker 1: multiple super Bowls, but it seems like the eventually most
Speaker 1: of the good players on the roster get in. It
Speaker 1: suddenly seems like next year, though, is really loaded, and
Speaker 1: it starts getting more loaded after that, where it's gotta
Speaker 1: it's like Megatron and Peyton Manning a couple other guys
Speaker 1: were like every year. Now it seems like there's some
Speaker 1: big names jumping in, and it's people we covered and
Speaker 1: grew up with and lived with. Isaac Bruce. It's more
Speaker 1: of a sign of our increasing march towards death. I
Speaker 1: hate to, you know, you don't like to discount a
Speaker 1: guy who just made the Hall of Fame. But I
Speaker 1: don't know. People watching Isaac Bruce during his career, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I like, at no point was he considered
Speaker 1: the better receiver compared to Tory Holt and and uh,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have thought he was the top five receiver.
Speaker 1: I think Richard Seymour an Tony Basselli, who have been
Speaker 1: in the top ten now, which means they got close
Speaker 1: to getting in. We'll get in eventually, and I think
Speaker 1: they deserve it. Seymour was easily the best defensive player
Speaker 1: that that played for those Patriots teams, and I think
Speaker 1: Basselli I'd rather have that like dominance guy that has
Speaker 1: a little shorter shelf life. My one question is I
Speaker 1: love Paula Maldo getting in right away as he deserved that.
Speaker 1: There's just no drama around that. We knew that would happen.
Speaker 1: But Steve Atwater. I feel like I've seen like thirty
Speaker 1: five NFL films about Steve Atwater and like the hardest
Speaker 1: hitting safety and Broncos anchor, and he retired before the
Speaker 1: turn of the century. It's like, why does it take
Speaker 1: so long for some of these guys to get it?
Speaker 1: Why now? Why now is there a push for I'm
Speaker 1: glad he's in. I thought I already thought would have
Speaker 1: thought this could have happened a decade ago. I think
Speaker 1: it's like politics and timing. It's sometimes is who's fighting
Speaker 1: for you. I think they knew Atwater was going to
Speaker 1: be off the list pretty soon. He was reaching the
Speaker 1: point where he would not even have been considered. Uh
Speaker 1: And like the pr hit, like the Jaguars did a
Speaker 1: great job. I think really the Baselli train like it
Speaker 1: was getting really loud in this year, and I think
Speaker 1: it probably was effective. And then it's like there's politics.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you hate it yeah, the other
Speaker 1: there's three contributors along with two coaches and a laundry
Speaker 1: list of seniors getting voted in. That this ceremony is
Speaker 1: already seven or eight hours long, Like how do you
Speaker 1: keep this from being like a music festival, like three
Speaker 1: days of just we're talking about the modern era inductees,
Speaker 1: which is the normal five to get in. But yes,
Speaker 1: this was the expanded class of one hundred, you know
Speaker 1: NFL one expand the class where an extra twenty people
Speaker 1: got in. So I would start this ceremony in mid
Speaker 1: July and just let let it run until August ten.
Speaker 1: There's this year, so that that helps. That's only like
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes though. Yeah, yeah, would you like
Speaker 1: to hear about my serendipitous encounter, Yeah, at the airport bar, Yes,
Speaker 1: with an Inner Circle Hall of Fame member. Who we got.
Speaker 1: We've got an eight year old, handsome tall man sitting
Speaker 1: next to me. I'm I'm eating my child sandwich, reading
Speaker 1: a book mind in my own business. He pulls out
Speaker 1: this little baggy full of vitamins and drugs and he's like,
Speaker 1: I gotta eat. I gotta take all of these today.
Speaker 1: Right after he had finished, like a sweet very encouraging
Speaker 1: ten minute conversation with his wife a forty seven years
Speaker 1: and I was just like, what a nice, nice, old
Speaker 1: handsome man. And he and he we we talked about
Speaker 1: the back of drugs. I was like, oh, yeah, a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago I had to like create a
Speaker 1: spreadsheet for all my drugs. I get it. And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Marlin Olsen told me this, And I'm like, who am
Speaker 1: I talking to? So about a half halfway through this
Speaker 1: hour and a half long conversation about life and football,
Speaker 1: I find out I'm talking to Bob Lilly, Mr Cowboy,
Speaker 1: arguably the greatest defensive tackle of all time before Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald arrived on the scene. And he was the nicest man,
Speaker 1: the nicest, most down to earth guy encounter. He that's
Speaker 1: a lot about you that you would have like a
Speaker 1: half hour conversation with this guy. It's just very It
Speaker 1: was a very West story. Like it was. The three
Speaker 1: of us were all me, You and Dan were all
Speaker 1: on the same flight. We all, you know, went to
Speaker 1: go try to look for stuff in the gift shop
Speaker 1: or whatever. We went our own ways and Dan and
Speaker 1: I aren't having that hour and a half conversation with
Speaker 1: Bob Lily. But if you had to, like put In
Speaker 1: takes a total stray bullet out of nowhere, all right,
Speaker 1: I would never have that conversation. I don't want. I
Speaker 1: mean I would, but I just if I had to
Speaker 1: guess which one of the three of us, uh that
Speaker 1: would have happened to, it was gonna be you, very well,
Speaker 1: very wesleyan item. I think it happened because I didn't
Speaker 1: push him to talk about football, and he didn't really
Speaker 1: you know he I think he appreciated that I knew
Speaker 1: who he was, but I wasn't like, oh, Bob Lily,
Speaker 1: will you please sign this or something? You know? He uh,
Speaker 1: he's someone that I don't know much about other than
Speaker 1: what you say that. I think a seven or eight
Speaker 1: first time first team All Pro that if they had
Speaker 1: a special like hall of Fame for just the top
Speaker 1: you know, thirty guys, forty guys like he would at
Speaker 1: that hall of Fame. Yeah. Absolutely. And here's here's what
Speaker 1: was cool. Like he's so he's eighty years old, and
Speaker 1: he's got all these vitamins and pills. One rolls off
Speaker 1: the table and he snatches it like like karate kid
Speaker 1: with the chopsticks and he's like, I never did lose
Speaker 1: my reflex. That's like back when Clayban supported the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: little known fact might have been Yeah, but at least
Speaker 1: you like expect their history and stuff. That's what do
Speaker 1: you mean? You know you were you were a Cowboys fan,
Speaker 1: and you try to hide it. Now you try to
Speaker 1: hide it. Yeah, I'm doing a great job to hide it.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you you wanted to hide them very
Speaker 1: well when J. J. Wilcox was playing for Well, that
Speaker 1: was just somebody who appreciated defensive back play. Apologies to
Speaker 1: jj al Right out there, Carlin Olson sneaky goodwn little
Speaker 1: house on the prairie by the way, we talked about wow,
Speaker 1: um good actor. So maybe that's something for me to
Speaker 1: to improve upon this offseason. We should switch to our
Speaker 1: segment that like, like I could be the type of
Speaker 1: person like West that's curious enough about other people and
Speaker 1: he has a gentle enough nature that I could just
Speaker 1: start start up conversations with random handsome men and see
Speaker 1: what happens. I would do exactly that, right down to
Speaker 1: right down to let the record, I'm skipping past afternoon delight.
Speaker 1: We've gotten like forty minutes on this Uh, I want
Speaker 1: to go right to the segment, which is our our
Speaker 1: great idea um because I think we all are flawed,
Speaker 1: flawed people. I mean everyone is, but especially us, you know,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of areas for improvement we can
Speaker 1: we can look to this offseason. Let's start with Mark Sessler.
Speaker 1: I think, uh talking about one area of growth. I
Speaker 1: guess you could throw it out for yourself or or
Speaker 1: an NFL. I'll start with We'll mix it all up.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna start with an NFL. And I have
Speaker 1: had a number of these, but this one, actually I
Speaker 1: don't want to fabricate something that I don't really care
Speaker 1: about if it happens or not. This is one that
Speaker 1: I absolutely care about a lot, and it bothers me.
Speaker 1: And it's a eage item and it's something that would
Speaker 1: improve in my world football immediately. And that is the
Speaker 1: rules around uniforms. And I would say, use this offseason
Speaker 1: and before the league meetings to lift this obnoxious five
Speaker 1: year holding pattern. For we can each right now in
Speaker 1: our head visually, and if you're listening, think of a
Speaker 1: team or two whose uniforms got changed in the last five, six,
Speaker 1: seven years. And we're awful and they're stuck with them
Speaker 1: for half a decade under league rules. I would blow
Speaker 1: that up and say, if you get involved with a
Speaker 1: uniform that you realize two or three weeks into the
Speaker 1: season is just an eyesore. And it looks awful under
Speaker 1: the early autumn sun, and it looks bad in the snow,
Speaker 1: and it looks bad under dome lights, and it looks
Speaker 1: bad in the daytime and bad at night. You have
Speaker 1: the ability in the opportunity because you are dealing with
Speaker 1: a multimillion dollar marketing empire if you're one of these
Speaker 1: NFL teams to pull the switch, have multiple uniforms and
Speaker 1: get rid of past mistakes as quickly as possible. These
Speaker 1: decisions are coming from a personal place. Well it is personal,
Speaker 1: but I beyond beyond what Cleveland did, and they're changing
Speaker 1: their's and they better get it right because it's another
Speaker 1: five year and contract you're stuck in. But think about
Speaker 1: I for this is just personal and no offense to
Speaker 1: the teams. But the Bucks have had hard uniforms. To
Speaker 1: look at the Jaguars here and there they improve. There's
Speaker 1: to some degree, I mean, there's no end to it.
Speaker 1: There are some teams out there that the the matchups
Speaker 1: between these two are you cannot fathom it on television
Speaker 1: and Gregg at times just lucky to deal with a
Speaker 1: version of color blindness. Let's work on this immediately. This
Speaker 1: is not that hard to do because more uniforms, more options,
Speaker 1: more jerseys. Tell me, anyone who loses here, you're right.
Speaker 1: I I know that the hoops that you have to
Speaker 1: go through to do new uniforms are crazy. Like the
Speaker 1: Rams are trying to come out with some new uniforms
Speaker 1: as they move into the New States. It's like, why
Speaker 1: not just let teams make as many uniforms as they
Speaker 1: want and change it all the time. Is it? Is
Speaker 1: it for the fans that buy them? Right? They don't want,
Speaker 1: you know, a little timmy to get stuck with this.
Speaker 1: You can't even like keep the old one, Like, how
Speaker 1: about just have as many extras as you want, like
Speaker 1: the NBA, Like, what's the what's the downside? Chaos? Let's
Speaker 1: have it. I'm all for chaos to do it. Don't
Speaker 1: west an area of personal growth or you know an
Speaker 1: NFL player. Well, I have a theme that carres across
Speaker 1: both my own personal growl, the goal that I have
Speaker 1: for the future, plus what someone in the NFL needs
Speaker 1: to do, and it's chop wood carry water. Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 1: chop wood, carry water. Make the main thing the main thing,
Speaker 1: live in the moment. This is a guy who did
Speaker 1: not make the main thing the main thing last year.
Speaker 1: You need to make football the main thing in your
Speaker 1: life again. And I heard some disturbing stories the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl that I think he kind of lost his way
Speaker 1: last year and it went beyond football. Um and I
Speaker 1: think this happens to a lot of athletes. You have
Speaker 1: to find a way to have the motivation to make
Speaker 1: football the main thing. Do you want to be great?
Speaker 1: Because I believe Baker Mayfield can be great. I think
Speaker 1: we saw it a rookie year. Is that what you
Speaker 1: want foremost in your life is greatness in football, and
Speaker 1: maybe it will make you an imbalanced human being. But
Speaker 1: for your career what you're meant to do with the
Speaker 1: next ten years of your life, make football the main thing.
Speaker 1: Make being great the main thing. Make sharpening your skills,
Speaker 1: honing your skills to raise your level to the other
Speaker 1: quarterbacks above you. Make that the main thing. I couldn't
Speaker 1: agree more. And I think that some of the stuff
Speaker 1: we were hearing made a lot of sense because it
Speaker 1: did seem like Baker mayfields. It wasn't just confidence, it
Speaker 1: was just sort of the way he presents himself and
Speaker 1: sort of what fuels him got thrown in a blender
Speaker 1: last season. And there were some interesting comments from Jarvis
Speaker 1: Landry that uh I tweeted yesterday that came through a
Speaker 1: different interview in a different source, where he basically said
Speaker 1: that team was in such disarray that on a weekly basis,
Speaker 1: when they ran through their first fifteen scripted plays, that
Speaker 1: no one on the offensive side the ball had any
Speaker 1: concept of what would come next. That there was a
Speaker 1: lack of a plan. And I can't think of a
Speaker 1: worse environment for a second year quarterback to be And
Speaker 1: so there's that part of it. But what did he
Speaker 1: do to get himself out of that? I don't know
Speaker 1: the answer to that, but we need to see more.
Speaker 1: When you when your whole game is built around slights
Speaker 1: and chips on your shoulder, it's easy to get caught
Speaker 1: up in creating those for yourself. Addie more fuel to
Speaker 1: the fire that needs to be there, and it's it's
Speaker 1: hard for us to figure out what it is right
Speaker 1: from from a perception standpoint, It's like, well, is this
Speaker 1: because of mindset? Is this because of Freddie Kitchens? Is
Speaker 1: this because of Odell Beckham Jr. And there's no way
Speaker 1: to know when they're losing and they look bad, you know,
Speaker 1: on the other plays of the game after the first fifteen.
Speaker 1: It's so it's tough. It's tough for Baker and stuff
Speaker 1: for us to understand. And I think, like for me
Speaker 1: looking from the outside at a certain point, what if
Speaker 1: he's just not good? I don't I'm not there yet.
Speaker 1: But that's where you eventually get to. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: in a radic season that was hard to diagnose. To
Speaker 1: West's point, I think it's one of the great challenges
Speaker 1: of being a professional athlete. To your point, West, and
Speaker 1: these are what your next ten years are about. It's
Speaker 1: it's a very common thing, um to not like have
Speaker 1: all your you know, ducks in a row in terms
Speaker 1: of I want to be the greatest professional, uh that
Speaker 1: I can be at the age of twenty three or
Speaker 1: twenty four, none of us were like that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it forces you to mature a
Speaker 1: lot faster, like that was not What was the most
Speaker 1: important thing in my life when I was twenty four
Speaker 1: is to like, do the best job I possibly could
Speaker 1: for my employers. That's all true, but he is I was.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was pretty okay with being mediocre
Speaker 1: at the time. But you're missing a very important thing, right.
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield found his calling. He has driven to be
Speaker 1: a great football player. You didn't know. This is the
Speaker 1: one thing in life. This is my prime directive to
Speaker 1: do this he does, and that counts for a ton
Speaker 1: That's true. Once rodor World tapped the shoulders, I really did,
Speaker 1: I really did. I said. It was like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is it. Now I need to try hard before they
Speaker 1: take this away. Um, I'm looking at a league that
Speaker 1: obviously I care about. I've worked here for a while now.
Speaker 1: But I think the message that they send, and it's
Speaker 1: it's random, and I think it's small, but it expands
Speaker 1: out to me is how teams can avoid mandatory inclusion
Speaker 1: for hard knocks. And the message sent there is if
Speaker 1: media has access, if you have exposure, then that hurts
Speaker 1: you in some way. It's it's bad, it's a distraction.
Speaker 1: And so what we end up with is, right before
Speaker 1: the season starts, we promote a team that is bad. Right,
Speaker 1: the rules state that you have to be bad, uh,
Speaker 1: to to be on hard knocks, and it comes at
Speaker 1: a time where we're trying to gen up excitement for
Speaker 1: the season, and yeah, it gives us exposure to teams
Speaker 1: that we might not have been talking about. But it
Speaker 1: lays this foundation that well, you know, if cameras are there,
Speaker 1: if people are talking about you, if people know your
Speaker 1: rookies better, if they see them sing, if they see
Speaker 1: your GM in meetings, if they see your coaching meetings,
Speaker 1: that that hinders your ability to win football games. And
Speaker 1: it just it doesn't the recent teams lose on hard
Speaker 1: knoxes because they're not any good. Yeah, the Antonio Brown
Speaker 1: things set hard knocks back of it like that was
Speaker 1: just a bad road to go down. I mean, they
Speaker 1: couldn't have guessed everything that would have happened of us, obviously,
Speaker 1: but it leaned into it and it was it was unfortunate.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at you know, the Eagles did all or nothing.
Speaker 1: They're obviously a successful organization. That's gonna I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's out already, but it's coming out soon that
Speaker 1: that could be interesting. It would be nice to see
Speaker 1: a better team on our knocks, do it? Patriots? I
Speaker 1: think it goes to the point of like the NFL
Speaker 1: and almost in most major sports are like reducing access.
Speaker 1: It's they're always reducing it, but not they're not adding
Speaker 1: to it. It's like there's a lot more access in
Speaker 1: the NFL than there is in the premier league, and
Speaker 1: a lot overseas they think, wow, you guys have crazy
Speaker 1: good access, Like at some point you might have just
Speaker 1: about nothing. I mean there are thirty one teams that
Speaker 1: might be strong armed into it in a different set
Speaker 1: of rules. Then there's then you travel down another ten
Speaker 1: thousand feet and there's the Patriots. So but you are
Speaker 1: wishing against wishes. The thing is like the Patriots have
Speaker 1: all kinds of access. Like we how we've seen do
Speaker 1: your job sixty billion times. There's those practice clips of
Speaker 1: Belichick we see run into the ground two Patriots, uh
Speaker 1: docs and Belichick where they followed him for a whole season,
Speaker 1: the two thousand nine seasons. But it's hard Knox is
Speaker 1: chaos though, like hard knocks can, you're not quite you,
Speaker 1: although teams can control what they let out. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go um my out throwout an NFL one next, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go personal growth here. Um you know, every
Speaker 1: family ultimately or every marriage needs it needs like, uh,
Speaker 1: somewhat of a type a person that can make some plans.
Speaker 1: And the problem in in my family is like me
Speaker 1: and my wife were both very we're both very chill.
Speaker 1: And that's good. It leads to like a house without
Speaker 1: a lot of drama, but sometimes it leads to a
Speaker 1: house where nothing happens, no plans are made. You never
Speaker 1: go anywhere, you never do anything. You never create some
Speaker 1: some good moments for your for your children to have,
Speaker 1: and you do. You know, sometimes those moments are just
Speaker 1: walking to the park and walking home from school and
Speaker 1: doing all sorts of stuff. But someone needs to step
Speaker 1: up to the plate and make some plans and go
Speaker 1: on some trips this offseason, and that you know someone
Speaker 1: is gonna be me. We're going to see World on Saturday,
Speaker 1: and that just generally I need to I need to
Speaker 1: start taking the reins here because these kids are just
Speaker 1: getting older and nothing's happening. It's like I'm I'm in
Speaker 1: awe of like these parents and even thinking back to
Speaker 1: my parents of like they schedule all these vacations and
Speaker 1: they do these things, and I look at our and
Speaker 1: like nothing ever schedule because we don't really like think ahead.
Speaker 1: We're always just like there and it's like, oh, what
Speaker 1: are we gonna do today or this weekend? It's hardy
Speaker 1: to fly by the seat of your pants if the
Speaker 1: object at rest stay at rest right exactly, And when
Speaker 1: when children get involved, someone needs to start making some plans.
Speaker 1: So that's just my personal I like that. Let's go Mark,
Speaker 1: all right, I will. I'll give you because I'm sure
Speaker 1: the show is getting beef you. I'll give you a
Speaker 1: couple of quick hit personal ones. Number one outside this
Speaker 1: happened this morning, and this driving me absolutely nuts. My
Speaker 1: house are our fire detector. Our smoke detector is located
Speaker 1: right outside the shower the bathroom, and it does not
Speaker 1: tell the difference between smoke because there's never smoke in
Speaker 1: my house and the mists that comes from when I like,
Speaker 1: I like, my shower is really hot, and like the
Speaker 1: smoke and the mist or the mist is coming out
Speaker 1: of the bathroom and setting off the fire alarm all
Speaker 1: the time. And so I've got to figure out how
Speaker 1: to fix this. And I don't even know how to
Speaker 1: take the thing off the wall. I'm not good at
Speaker 1: that stuff. I'm not greg doesn't have a toolbox. I
Speaker 1: have one. I have no idea where it's so it's
Speaker 1: not that different. Gotta fix that thing. Number two at
Speaker 1: some point in this offseason, I'm not gonna tweet for
Speaker 1: forty straight days. I'm done with Twitter and it's just
Speaker 1: basically a look at me show most of the time,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go on a huge like forty day
Speaker 1: Twitter fast. And then last year I went ten days
Speaker 1: into this and then faltered that I'm going to do
Speaker 1: this experiment again. And this is not for everyone, but
Speaker 1: it is for me. Where you eat nothing but watermelon
Speaker 1: for twenty one days, and what happened to me after
Speaker 1: ten days was the great. I felt younger and happier
Speaker 1: than I have since like middle high school. And so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try it the full twenty day experiment and
Speaker 1: see what happens to me. I will live. That's these
Speaker 1: are random things felt great. But the people around you know,
Speaker 1: I knew, I you know what, even Gregg is going
Speaker 1: to talk about your moods. You weren't even around me
Speaker 1: were it was when I was on It was a staycation,
Speaker 1: and I honestly could not have been any happier. And
Speaker 1: every time I bring up a diet experiment. Greg's like,
Speaker 1: but your moods like, I'm gonna be a moody no
Speaker 1: matter what. So you're totally wrong about that one. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, like I knew that was coming. You're happy
Speaker 1: on the inside and you're just like, hey, no, it's gutty,
Speaker 1: can watch. So it's not like that. That's fine. That's
Speaker 1: probably happening all the time as it is. And so
Speaker 1: I want to work on my overall moodiness too, because
Speaker 1: I am very moody around the house at times. Do
Speaker 1: you have that's a side bet to that. Do you
Speaker 1: have a bathroom fan? Uh? I just opened the window
Speaker 1: to our yard, because the bathroom fan is to expel
Speaker 1: moisture from the bathroom, whether it be flatulencer or shower mills.
Speaker 1: So if you if you have one, I mean it
Speaker 1: sounds a good, good good idea for many reasons. But I
Speaker 1: it's got to feel to take this out smoke alarm
Speaker 1: thing off. Just let the house, let's go behind the glass.
Speaker 1: We forgot Erica tam Posey, our producer has gonna contribute here.
Speaker 1: What are you looking for for personal growth? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: really want to put I know this sounds crazy, but
Speaker 1: like a lot more research and really get to the
Speaker 1: bottom of all the football stuff. I was really really
Speaker 1: lucky to get to do a fantasy football show this year,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I've learned so much just by
Speaker 1: producing you guys every week and all the stuff that
Speaker 1: you guys take and and you know, Greg, I know
Speaker 1: you were joking it even yesterday on the street. You're like,
Speaker 1: I'll ask you about personal but nobody cares about your
Speaker 1: football opinion. And it is true, but like I don't
Speaker 1: I don't want to just of course, but it has truth.
Speaker 1: I mean it has legs because it is. It is
Speaker 1: true in a sense where I want to be taken seriously.
Speaker 1: I don't want to just be the funny, you know,
Speaker 1: wild loose cannon girl that you guys can do for
Speaker 1: comedic relief like I do. I do know my and
Speaker 1: I want to I want to have to beat your yourself.
Speaker 1: That's the first. It's probably not actually, but I can
Speaker 1: tell you it's hard to be on a show where
Speaker 1: your football opinion is not taken seriously up because it
Speaker 1: can be it can be a strong Yeah. Well, I
Speaker 1: just I want to study more and I want to
Speaker 1: prove that that I that I do know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about and I want to get better. That's a
Speaker 1: good You're gonna do it. That's great, gonna do it
Speaker 1: A plus. I felt like that was my first, like
Speaker 1: my first couple of years doing road World and stuff.
Speaker 1: The off seasons were super valuable for that, like reading
Speaker 1: books and and like trying to because it's the hardest sport.
Speaker 1: I mean, we we say this all the time. It's
Speaker 1: the it's the hardest sport to cover. There's the biggest
Speaker 1: gap between what the people are on the field and
Speaker 1: the coaches know and the fans of any sport. It
Speaker 1: takes like five it takes a long time to realize
Speaker 1: you don't even know anything. Like they're like, it takes
Speaker 1: five years to know how little you truly know. I've
Speaker 1: come to that. Well. There's also fits and starts where
Speaker 1: it's like fog and you're shine your bright lights on
Speaker 1: it and it's more opaque, it's harder to see. So
Speaker 1: you have to kind of reach a point where you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't really know that much. I gotta know more.
Speaker 1: And then you know more and you're like, I still
Speaker 1: don't know that much, but that makes much exciting too.
Speaker 1: I think makes it more like I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think it makes it a better sport to cover, And
Speaker 1: that's that's the ideal spot to be in is to
Speaker 1: know but know that you don't know everything. And I
Speaker 1: think a lot of the stuff, bad stuff about covering
Speaker 1: football comes from people trying to pretend like they know.
Speaker 1: People say things is if is if they're certain, and
Speaker 1: they're just not. What do you think the easiest sport
Speaker 1: is to cover foot base Really? I couldn't. I couldn't write.
Speaker 1: I don't know that much about baseball at all. Someone
Speaker 1: threw me into cut, like, suddenly call a baseball game.
Speaker 1: I mean it would be an at absolute nuclear disaster
Speaker 1: out of baseball, Basketball, football, base That's what I'm saying
Speaker 1: of the four I'm talking about bowling for major sports? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: cover bowling with my How is that harder than hockey
Speaker 1: a major sport? How? I don't know. All right, let's
Speaker 1: throw tennis and golf in there. Whatever. Know who is
Speaker 1: covering bowling full time? I'm just saying, how many of
Speaker 1: those baseball? One? Is there one person covering bowling full time? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Because people are making moneyballing, people are making ESPN covers it.
Speaker 1: I mean you still but ESPN stuff all time. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a full time job. If you're
Speaker 1: out there covering bowling, it's like, oh, you knocked down nine,
Speaker 1: Well that means guys, and this next shot, he's got
Speaker 1: to get one more down. I think probably to call
Speaker 1: all of them to it. Of course, their excellent level
Speaker 1: is equally difficult. I'll say that sports are fun. Go sports,
Speaker 1: ghost sports, how about you. I have to make my
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Dan like peace with my creator and mortality. And
Speaker 1: it's been hanging over my head for a couple of years.
Speaker 1: And that's why I mentioned chop wood carry water, the
Speaker 1: old Zen Cohen about enlightenment and being in the moment
Speaker 1: and not being afraid to go back down to the
Speaker 1: basics and tap into that. And it also for me
Speaker 1: has another meeting all of that. I have to figure
Speaker 1: that out. But also what I've become after cancer is
Speaker 1: I really like cooking and grilling. I've always liked it,
Speaker 1: but for whatever reason, I'm more driven to do it now.
Speaker 1: And I have this vision in the future of a
Speaker 1: barbecue and blues joint where I can surround myself with
Speaker 1: family and friends. The people I want to be around
Speaker 1: because I don't want to be around a lot of people.
Speaker 1: But to me, the key to life is be around
Speaker 1: the people you do want to be around. And if
Speaker 1: I can open that up, if I can create one
Speaker 1: new signature dish every year. Last year I created about
Speaker 1: four or five, so I got a headstart, so this
Speaker 1: year I create another one. Keisha wants a YouTube project
Speaker 1: called It's Over for the Westlings because everyone keeps telling
Speaker 1: us you can't have fun once your parents. That's not Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you guys are so naive. You think you'd
Speaker 1: still be the fun cool people. Well it's over for us.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of like our ironic take on it.
Speaker 1: But she wants me to have a grilling station on
Speaker 1: our YouTube channel. So I'm gonna chop wood, carry water
Speaker 1: the wood is I mean, that's that's what barbecue is,
Speaker 1: indirect heat with wood, fire and water from the Suvie
Speaker 1: that I've been into. So something to do with that. Um,
Speaker 1: So I gotta figure out how all that works together.
Speaker 1: And then we've fatherhood into it for the first time.
Speaker 1: So I've got a lot of changing to do this offseason.
Speaker 1: You guys are gonna crush it. Yeah, thank you. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's yeah, we'll be coming to you. You know.
Speaker 1: You just they're going to be reacting to that. That's
Speaker 1: that's a beautiful thing. And I mean, I mean it
Speaker 1: kind of goes. I hear what you're saying. You're like,
Speaker 1: it's very wise words what you're saying. And life is
Speaker 1: about creating like those moments. That's partly why I'm trying
Speaker 1: to force myself to make plans because like sometimes that
Speaker 1: sometimes those moments happen when you do when you do
Speaker 1: some when you get out of your comfort zone, which
Speaker 1: is you know, your your own house. But to your point,
Speaker 1: like having having different passions outside of this job is
Speaker 1: is important. Also, like the West of is gonna have
Speaker 1: an easier time shifting into the rigors and delights of parenthood.
Speaker 1: Then if I the West that I met in, like
Speaker 1: if suddenly you had a child, like the next morning,
Speaker 1: you would have had some starian scenarios to work on.
Speaker 1: The person was a bad decision making machine. Yeah, we've
Speaker 1: scared much about Like it's more that like Keisha has
Speaker 1: like a very specific agenda of a lot of these things.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, Tuesday nights, we're gonna be doing this
Speaker 1: and like Friday nights, you know, and you who know
Speaker 1: you know she's a scheduler. She she is that person
Speaker 1: like you don't have that worry in your household in
Speaker 1: terms of in terms of schedule. I'm gonna throw out
Speaker 1: my next is now, I really lies Saving the football
Speaker 1: one was a bad move because like we should have
Speaker 1: just closed that or close on whatever Clay Bann's got.
Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna That's what we're gonna do. Um my,
Speaker 1: um my area Just quickly of of an NFL figure
Speaker 1: that can can grow personally, is uh is for Ryan
Speaker 1: Pace and for Matt Naggy to just admit, admit mistakes
Speaker 1: and move on from prices. Don't hold on you know,
Speaker 1: we all make so many mistakes, um but a lot
Speaker 1: a lot more pain happens from holding onto those mistakes.
Speaker 1: And maybe don't let the Chargers go get Cam Newton.
Speaker 1: Maybe you be the team that it's a short life,
Speaker 1: it's a short career in the NFL. UH make the
Speaker 1: most of it. You want to create some moments, get
Speaker 1: get Cam, get or get someone else. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks that could be out there. Just you. Doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what you said publicly in December thirty verse No
Speaker 1: one's gonna mind when you when you deliver a real
Speaker 1: quarterback and and they don't have one. I think we
Speaker 1: all agree that that's what the bear should do. But
Speaker 1: I just as a thought extra size, How does that
Speaker 1: pain measure the pain of making a bad decision and
Speaker 1: standing by it measure against the pain of Mitch Drobinsky.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what the odds are going to
Speaker 1: another franchise and and succeeding wildly after you cut him
Speaker 1: and didn't give him another year. Just just a I
Speaker 1: can't live life that way worrying about but it is
Speaker 1: gonna be pain if you see him in another uniform
Speaker 1: doing great things. Well, I don't know why you couldn't
Speaker 1: bench him too if he lost a competition to a
Speaker 1: veteran in the summer, I mean, then you're then you're
Speaker 1: protecting against that. I'd almost all the dice on Mitch
Speaker 1: Robinsky not going someone else. There's somewhere else in turning
Speaker 1: into Aaron Rodgers. Also, Yes, I just I just don't
Speaker 1: see it. I don't see it. Crazier things have happened,
Speaker 1: they have take that chance. Uh uh, just professionally and
Speaker 1: also personally I've got to. I have no problem being
Speaker 1: honest with people that I like, like with you guys,
Speaker 1: honestly with people on Twitter. I can do it easy, um.
Speaker 1: But when it comes to professionally people that I want
Speaker 1: to like me, um, I I'll fall back and say less.
Speaker 1: I'll cut my sentences short, I'll leave thoughts to myself
Speaker 1: because I don't want to hurt feelings. I don't want
Speaker 1: to create awkward circumstances. And it really sets me back
Speaker 1: because I look at the way and not that I
Speaker 1: want to take things to the extreme, and not to
Speaker 1: name names about anybody that that works here, but it's something.
Speaker 1: If something happens and it puts somebody in a bad position,
Speaker 1: those people will say something, um me. I tend to
Speaker 1: keep that to myself and I'll burn myself say, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, I should have been better prepared for that.
Speaker 1: But everything isn't my fault, you know, I am. You
Speaker 1: know I'm role playing the protagonist of existence. Like I
Speaker 1: get that, But there are there are certain obstacles to
Speaker 1: get put in my way that I need to be
Speaker 1: a little more vocal about um and and quit taking
Speaker 1: the easy way out. Because I do it. I do
Speaker 1: it in a lot of capacities and and sometimes sometimes
Speaker 1: I don't do it at all, and I always feel better,
Speaker 1: uh when I don't do it, But I've I've just
Speaker 1: got to quit short changing myself because, um, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's been a long year. Um I lost
Speaker 1: my mom right before the super Bowl. Last year, I
Speaker 1: was doing super Bowl Live. I did two blocks of
Speaker 1: the show after I found out it happened. And I'm
Speaker 1: still working in that chair all the time, and I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about, you know, all the all the times where
Speaker 1: I just get run over, you know, and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: constantly you know, playing playing dumb to to make somebody
Speaker 1: else seem smart, or you know, just going through the motions.
Speaker 1: And I've got to quit doing that because it's it's
Speaker 1: a disservice to me, it's a disservice to the people
Speaker 1: that are watching. So no more, you feel like you
Speaker 1: you can be yourself with people you're comfortable around, but
Speaker 1: you want to be yourself with everyone. And a lot
Speaker 1: of the a lot of the times that's me just
Speaker 1: listening and not saying anything. Well, we all kind of
Speaker 1: do that a little bit. Like you you change how
Speaker 1: much of yourself you give to another person, depending on
Speaker 1: how well you know that person and how comfortable you
Speaker 1: are with standing up for yourself too and for other people,
Speaker 1: but but letting them no, and yeah, in that situation,
Speaker 1: and it's always easier for me to stand up for
Speaker 1: other people, right than it is for myself. And so
Speaker 1: I've I've just got a figure out a way. Not
Speaker 1: that I'm like, oh, you know, poor little Patrick, but like,
Speaker 1: but you don't want to have those like a minute
Speaker 1: after the conversation ended and the other person walked down
Speaker 1: the room, Oh I should have said this, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I should. Yeah. I like that. I feel that way
Speaker 1: a lot too. This has been a deep, like all
Speaker 1: your goals, very cathartic. We do now mind seems pretty basic.
Speaker 1: After you guys, I got some detaching us. I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to go to I want to go to
Speaker 1: Sea World. I was at a job before that's at
Speaker 1: another TV show I was I was at and it
Speaker 1: was nothing compared to what other people have have gone through,
Speaker 1: But there was a guy that I worked with who
Speaker 1: would be joking with me and would say a lot
Speaker 1: of things that were really sort of inappropriate and I'm
Speaker 1: talking crossing a line, but it was someone I worked
Speaker 1: with someone that was like it was always a joke,
Speaker 1: it wasn't outright, and I would go home and talk
Speaker 1: to my roommate or talk to people about it and
Speaker 1: be like, it's really upset. I mean, but I don't
Speaker 1: want things to be weird at work. And I know
Speaker 1: it's like not not compared to like what you're saying now,
Speaker 1: but you just said something that reminded me. So when
Speaker 1: I told that, they were like, what if I came
Speaker 1: home and said what this guy said to you? You
Speaker 1: would be you would be so defensive. You would be like, hey,
Speaker 1: that's not cool. You can't talk to her like that,
Speaker 1: or you can't do this. So someone taught me something
Speaker 1: that i've been I still I'm not good at doing it.
Speaker 1: But if you start looking at yourself as you're defending
Speaker 1: someone else, because when it's me, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: speak up, and I find myself really boisterous, really strong
Speaker 1: headed in all this. But as soon as it comes
Speaker 1: to me where I'm worried about upsetting someone or don't
Speaker 1: want to make the mood weird, it's like, but wait,
Speaker 1: if someone was talking to Greg like that, or Mark
Speaker 1: or West or like I would be Hey, this is
Speaker 1: not cool, and I'm not gonna let it be cool.
Speaker 1: So it's like if you try to put yourself in
Speaker 1: that situation where you're defending someone else, because it's crazy.
Speaker 1: We all would stand up for someone else, but when
Speaker 1: it comes to ourselves, it's completely different because you're never
Speaker 1: you're never worried about how the other person is perceived
Speaker 1: based on your response. But when you do it for yourself,
Speaker 1: it's like, I see you know, go full disclosure, go
Speaker 1: kimono open like money in Siciliano have segments on the
Speaker 1: show that I started, you know NFL Now it used
Speaker 1: to be up to the minute, and like, I think
Speaker 1: about it, and I've never said anything. I've never said
Speaker 1: anything publicly. I've never said anything in a meeting. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to have something that I do. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: sometimes they don't know what you want to Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's because I don't see anything. So this is
Speaker 1: very healthy. You have to say something. Yeah there, wise
Speaker 1: nothing's going to happen. Maybe maybe these Shadow League figures
Speaker 1: are listening to this episode right now, but I sort
Speaker 1: of doubt if they see my name in the description here,
Speaker 1: well there's there's Another aspect of this is like you,
Speaker 1: if you're good, you think, well I should didn't have
Speaker 1: to ask. They should recognize it and come up with
Speaker 1: the idea, Hey, I want to feature this person here.
Speaker 1: But we've learned that is not how how this world
Speaker 1: works for the most part, or that's not how the
Speaker 1: business works on some level unfortunately, that you do need
Speaker 1: to be your own advocate. And that's the thing, like
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be here. We all wouldn't be here if
Speaker 1: you guys hadn't carved out this thing for yourself and
Speaker 1: just made it happen. Um, so I gotta make it
Speaker 1: happen largely without oversight, which is a one way to go.
Speaker 1: I would say that's a that was that was a factor,
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, nobody really cared what we
Speaker 1: were doing, and the studio wasn't occupied, so let's go
Speaker 1: do it. Nobody cares anyway, Yes, sneak around. It is
Speaker 1: great sometimes being under the radar for a while and
Speaker 1: then and then yes, then you do not want to
Speaker 1: be under the radar. And we've got to that point,
Speaker 1: and that's why we can have these types of conversations.
Speaker 1: This is a very off season show. To me. It
Speaker 1: was a good way to kick off the off season.
Speaker 1: We had some real football talk, but we uh, we
Speaker 1: had some talk. As Dave Damask would say about the
Speaker 1: little game of life rights. You have me on the
Speaker 1: show three years. Oh, now you're talking up. I like this,
Speaker 1: You're you're I'm not gonna give you a grade. And
Speaker 1: Dan to me is the perfect host. But it is
Speaker 1: healthy once in a while to hear a different voice
Speaker 1: and to take the show in a different direction and
Speaker 1: then come back to the stasis of what you always
Speaker 1: do the next show. Sure, well, that is It's part
Speaker 1: of the fun of the off season. And we'll we'll
Speaker 1: have lots of different combinations, lots of different types of shows.
Speaker 1: We can stretch our legs a little bit. We will
Speaker 1: be plenty busy with the combine we're going to in
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks and owners meetings and free agency.
Speaker 1: We will be back next week for two shows Tuesday
Speaker 1: and Thursday, before cranking it back up to three shows
Speaker 1: a week after that for a while. I know, Erica,
Speaker 1: you're excited about that. In the meantime, though, I think
Speaker 1: it's time let's get out of here for Marks Whistler,
Speaker 1: The Sizzler, The chef Chris Westling, Patrick claibn Any that
Speaker 1: Eric at same postum Greg Rosenthal see you Tuesday, m