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Speaker 1: today I'm going to do something that I said I
Speaker 1: was never ever going to do. Gonna have to listen
Speaker 1: in and wait to find out because that's going to
Speaker 1: be done on the second part of this show. But
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm going to talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about some of the concerns that people are having in
Speaker 1: Europe at the moment with reference to terrorism, and it's
Speaker 1: not the terrorism that you won't think it would be
Speaker 1: straight away from Germany. Okay, there seems to be a
Speaker 1: right wing uprising, if that's the right word. Now. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's at the stage where we're expecting it
Speaker 1: to be as bad as it was in the days
Speaker 1: of Hitler. I don't think people are marching around with swastikas,
Speaker 1: you know, literally cleansing streets and all that sort of
Speaker 1: stuff at the moment. But I do think there has
Speaker 1: been a shift in trend towards supporting some of the
Speaker 1: more extreme movements. And I'm going to talk quickly about
Speaker 1: how this is, how this is coming across to us.
Speaker 1: So last week, a come of what day it was
Speaker 1: now was it was probably around Monday of last week,
Speaker 1: we had reports of an attack. A guy had driven
Speaker 1: a car across into a celebration of people from the
Speaker 1: Muslim community, said to have been target in children. It
Speaker 1: was a small Mercedes car. He had driven it up
Speaker 1: into a gathering where people were celebrating, and he targeted
Speaker 1: people locally as saying children had driven it in at speed.
Speaker 1: He had eventually come to the rest injuring not confirmed
Speaker 1: how many, but dozens of people and quite seriously some
Speaker 1: of them were taken away. There was no deaths reported,
Speaker 1: but that sort of attack, it's a tip for tat
Speaker 1: type thing in my opinion. They've seen it done elsewhere
Speaker 1: to other people. It's an easy way of injuring lots
Speaker 1: of people very quickly. So anyway, that's a that's a
Speaker 1: good possibility that it was an attack. Now police has
Speaker 1: been concerned it was an attack yet, but they said
Speaker 1: it's a possibility that it could have been a racially
Speaker 1: motivated attack. So they have held the twenty nine year
Speaker 1: old man in custody. They have said that he wasn't
Speaker 1: fit for interview, so there's a good chance he could
Speaker 1: have been drunk. If he was drunk, it might not
Speaker 1: have been attack. It might open his car was seriously
Speaker 1: out of control. It could have been the car didn't
Speaker 1: work properly. So they haven't ruled everything out yet, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't look good. All. This is in the wake
Speaker 1: of ten people dying in a shooting in hand Out
Speaker 1: not a week earlier. Okay, so in hand now, nine
Speaker 1: people were shot dead in what was definitely a racial attack.
Speaker 1: Somebody targeting the Shesha bars again and then finally shooting himself.
Speaker 1: He shot these people in the Shesha bars, disappeared and
Speaker 1: shot himself. Okay. Now they're saying that that was the
Speaker 1: largest racially motivated attack since World War Two. So this
Speaker 1: stuff is serious and it is happening, and whether it's
Speaker 1: led from one thing leading to another, it's still you know,
Speaker 1: all terrorism is bad terrorism in my opinion, okay, and
Speaker 1: it needs it needs to be dealt with at its
Speaker 1: very core. And as far as I'm concerned, you know,
Speaker 1: all terrorists are terrorists. I don't care if you're right wing,
Speaker 1: left wing, I don't care what you support. If you
Speaker 1: try and get your point of view across using violence,
Speaker 1: you are a terrorist, simple as okay. And it can't
Speaker 1: be tolerated at any level. So it's a shame to
Speaker 1: see Germany having an uprising and this sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately it is a fact of life. So I
Speaker 1: will be keeping you updated on that sort of stuff
Speaker 1: that's happening. And it's not just there is across Europe.
Speaker 1: You know, we hear Sweden's got massive problems. We know
Speaker 1: that we've had problems in the UK ourselves. France has
Speaker 1: had problems, and it just seems to be a little
Speaker 1: bit of both sides creeping in now. So I'll keep
Speaker 1: you updated out on here listening for my shows, because
Speaker 1: I'll always if something happens, have an opinion for sure, okay,
Speaker 1: And I'll always keep your abreast of what's happening. It's
Speaker 1: just quickly swin filing. And I don't look at the coronavirus, okay.
Speaker 1: So I've heard absolutely loads about the coronavirus. And if
Speaker 1: you go online, which I'm sure you have, and your
Speaker 1: Google coronavirus, you will find all sorts of hideous things
Speaker 1: with coronavirus, all right. And if you listen to all
Speaker 1: of them, and you listen to some papers in the
Speaker 1: UK and some television channels, you would probably be led
Speaker 1: into believing that the world was about to implode and
Speaker 1: everybody was going to die very soon. As soon that
Speaker 1: would all be in a zombie stake sooner rather than that,
Speaker 1: let me put let me put that in the perspective slightly, okay.
Speaker 1: I've been watching it very carefully, and official figures, as
Speaker 1: far as we can tell, and these are as official
Speaker 1: figures as far as we can work out, okay, are
Speaker 1: that somewhere just over eight k people. Eighty thousand people
Speaker 1: have been diagnosed with coronavirus worldwide so far. Okay, in
Speaker 1: the scheme of things, that is not a massive amount
Speaker 1: of people. Okay, it really is. If you look at
Speaker 1: other diseases and other ways of people dying, you probably
Speaker 1: find that you know, ten times that amount everyday dyeing,
Speaker 1: car crashes, all right, So that's putting it slightly into perspective.
Speaker 1: Three thousand of those have died so far, so I
Speaker 1: have the ek just over just and I think it
Speaker 1: was two thousand, seven seventy four people had died, alright.
Speaker 1: This was as of yesterday, right, nearly three thousand people
Speaker 1: have died, so out of eighty thousand people. That isn't
Speaker 1: isn't a horrendous figure. If it was eighty thousand people,
Speaker 1: eighty thousand people dead, then we're talking something to be
Speaker 1: extremely scared off. But as it stands, the chances have
Speaker 1: you dying from coronavirus are two and it's two percent
Speaker 1: of quite a small figure at the moment, so you
Speaker 1: might be seen as a mirrendous pigures coming in from
Speaker 1: across the globe. You might have seen everybody walking around
Speaker 1: with a mask on their head. You might have seen
Speaker 1: your local emergency services even upping the ante and getting
Speaker 1: themselves ready, embracing for pretty horrible times. That would be normal.
Speaker 1: It would be abnormal to hear of something like this
Speaker 1: breaking out and nobody getting ready for it. So I
Speaker 1: think the fact that people are actually getting ready for
Speaker 1: it and taking seriously is made from people believe that
Speaker 1: at the moment is worse than what it is. But
Speaker 1: again on software at radio, I will give you the facts.
Speaker 1: I will give you the truth, and I will tell
Speaker 1: you what I know, and I'll give you my opinion, Okay,
Speaker 1: and i will keep you as up to speed with
Speaker 1: it as I can for sure. Okay. So I'm now
Speaker 1: going to do something which I promised I would never do,
Speaker 1: but I think it needs to be done. I will
Speaker 1: be the first one to do it. I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody else has ever done it from the special Forces community.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody has ever even attempted to do
Speaker 1: from the Special Forces community. Here we go. What are
Speaker 1: you doing in the the fields? What you're saying to me?
Speaker 1: What are you doing that is so secretive and locked
Speaker 1: away that you don't even want to tell me? Even
Speaker 1: though you're talking about it now, I'm going to tell
Speaker 1: you exactly should I tell you or shall I let
Speaker 1: wend detail you? Because what I'm going to do now,
Speaker 1: she's already put in face at me. What I'm going
Speaker 1: to do now is I'm going to interview my partner again,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to give you her side of me
Speaker 1: being away all the time, especially way back when when
Speaker 1: I was an operator, cutting around the globe doing my
Speaker 1: own thing, and letting her know as little or as
Speaker 1: much or as nothing sometimes would happen okay, and she'd
Speaker 1: have to deal with it. So about further to let
Speaker 1: me introduce to you my best friend and my partner, Wendy.
Speaker 1: How are you? Wendy? All right? It's really strange interview
Speaker 1: in your partner because it's like I've got to I've
Speaker 1: got to keep the professionals for sign it. But she's
Speaker 1: she's laughing and giggling as we spent Look, Wendy, how
Speaker 1: long we've been together? We've been fifteen years? Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that wasn't the one I wanted to get wrong, was it.
Speaker 1: I'd be in trouble for an hour. Bear in mind
Speaker 1: on brace for a clip around the here at any
Speaker 1: moment during this interview. So look, this is Wendy when
Speaker 1: you first mate you, we was on a blind date,
Speaker 1: all right, So we we met for a blind date.
Speaker 1: And what were you told about me? Not a lot, really,
Speaker 1: I was. I didn't really know thishing about you. I
Speaker 1: didn't actually really want to know anything about your want
Speaker 1: to make up my own mind. And I remember when
Speaker 1: I first saw you, I thought he's not my type.
Speaker 1: But we went out, didn't we And we didn't stop laughing,
Speaker 1: but we didn't have a good laugh. But at that stage,
Speaker 1: did you know that I did something other than a
Speaker 1: normal nine or five job? No, he didn't really did
Speaker 1: you know? She knew that the guy that set us
Speaker 1: up was a bodyguard for I knew getting you to
Speaker 1: actually heap. Yeah, and I've done a few bits and
Speaker 1: pieces with Steve. So Stephen was a bodyguard for Oasis
Speaker 1: is Mrs Was was Wendy's best mate and he set
Speaker 1: the pair of us up. So that's how it came about.
Speaker 1: So we chatted, We did laugh that first night, I
Speaker 1: hadn't we and then we ended up all four of
Speaker 1: his having an Indian meal. I thought I was very
Speaker 1: nervous to let you know the whole story about what
Speaker 1: I did, because you don't know because I spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time working the way. What did you think
Speaker 1: when I first told you I would be spending a
Speaker 1: lot of time out of the country. I don't know, really.
Speaker 1: I think part of me was like, because we were
Speaker 1: only just got together, it was neither him. I suppose
Speaker 1: it would be a test of our relationship, definitely, because
Speaker 1: we've only just got together, so I think we've been
Speaker 1: to pout a month together. Yeah, when I went away
Speaker 1: the first I was doing the anti paracy stuff. The
Speaker 1: first one I actually moved into the house and Perry didn't.
Speaker 1: I Yeah, so Wendy was looking after my son and
Speaker 1: the two kids are own that moved into my house,
Speaker 1: and I went away for the first time. And I
Speaker 1: haven't been away for a while because I've been looking
Speaker 1: after Perry myself, so I couldn't go away. So this
Speaker 1: was the first time I've been away a while. And
Speaker 1: we didn't have mobile phones. We had mobile phones, but
Speaker 1: we didn't have that communication because it wasn't what it
Speaker 1: is today ging abroad, and there certainly wasn't. It was
Speaker 1: email and when and where I could get it on
Speaker 1: the ship, which wasn't very often, was it. You didn't
Speaker 1: hear from you for over a week. Do you think
Speaker 1: that was a good thing or a bad thing. It's
Speaker 1: a bad thing really because although in my heart I
Speaker 1: knew you would you were okay, I didn't know, so
Speaker 1: I found for the first week of every trip he
Speaker 1: went away, it was really hard. So you always say
Speaker 1: the other people once because we do get into a
Speaker 1: routine when and I break that routine twice. I break
Speaker 1: it when I leave, and I'll break it when I
Speaker 1: come back. But you so just explain the room during
Speaker 1: while I'm away and your mind set when I'm I
Speaker 1: because you've got to keep yourself on top of things,
Speaker 1: thinking about you know, you're feeding the kids and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, yeah, when they were younger, it
Speaker 1: was I went from having two of us there because
Speaker 1: you were constantly hung so we shared everything to just me,
Speaker 1: you know, and that was quite hard to period is
Speaker 1: football and jack and ada, and yeah, there's a lot.
Speaker 1: You see, I don't realize that you don't. As an operator,
Speaker 1: you sometimes don't realize what the other half of the
Speaker 1: relationships going through because you're too busy wrapped around what
Speaker 1: you need to do. Just to stay alive or you
Speaker 1: know your orders, aware of it as your operating are
Speaker 1: you usually pretty tough places? So I mean, don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong, with my life compared to what you were
Speaker 1: doing was nothing. I'm not complaining about that. It's just
Speaker 1: I went from having sharing everything having to do it
Speaker 1: all myself, and my whole routine would have to be
Speaker 1: and I worked full time as well. So what are
Speaker 1: my what are my best traits? When I was at home?
Speaker 1: The best things about having the best things about having
Speaker 1: you home was somebody to spend my time with for
Speaker 1: the kids. So you take her to football. We always
Speaker 1: had money when I came home. Were shot together. Let's
Speaker 1: think about you being away, go on, it stayed my time.
Speaker 1: I watch what I wanted to tell you. I am
Speaker 1: an appling for all. So it's boy the way people,
Speaker 1: I cannot keep anything tired. You can put me in
Speaker 1: a room with nothing and I'd still manage to make
Speaker 1: a mess in there. So that's how I have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're very hectic, but you like hectic. Yeah you must
Speaker 1: like hetic. You always wanted to do something. We've got
Speaker 1: to do something them some days you just it's nice thought.
Speaker 1: What were the worst times on the way. So I've been,
Speaker 1: you know, when I've been all over the place, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes in some extremely dangerous places. You know, when I
Speaker 1: first want to Syria, tell him that story, you know
Speaker 1: when when I fucked you up. Oh yeah. So he
Speaker 1: phoned me up and he said, I can't talk for
Speaker 1: a while because I'm going down on the front line
Speaker 1: where ices are. And I'm like, oh my god. So
Speaker 1: I think I've got to about twelve hours and I
Speaker 1: tried cooling no answer. I think maybe nearly forty eight
Speaker 1: hours before I had new So that was a really
Speaker 1: horrible time, really hard. That was really scary. But I
Speaker 1: mean I was down in ciner and it was a
Speaker 1: full blown punch up. And when she saw the footage afterwards,
Speaker 1: I think she was quite annoyed with me because it
Speaker 1: was I should have at least give her more than
Speaker 1: a just I won't be talking for a couple of
Speaker 1: days because it was serious. I might not have come back.
Speaker 1: The fighting was that intense down there. Your mindset when
Speaker 1: that was going on, I can't concentrate on anything. I
Speaker 1: can't do anything, you know, I can't. I felt like
Speaker 1: I can eat or sleep properly, just constantly thinking about it.
Speaker 1: So I think that was the worst time to me.
Speaker 1: That one was there stuff you could do, the type
Speaker 1: of things off your mind, not really know. The kids
Speaker 1: didn't keep you. I'm in the kids and kids didn't that.
Speaker 1: Did you ever find yourself snapping at the kids because
Speaker 1: they had the pressure of having me away? I'm buying
Speaker 1: what's going on? You know? The kids like they're like, well,
Speaker 1: shut up because the old man could be in trouble here.
Speaker 1: What do you think is the worst thank you've ever
Speaker 1: had of me? Do you think that was the worst
Speaker 1: tring to we've had off me? Did I only want
Speaker 1: to got locked up in Togo? I'm just trying to think. No,
Speaker 1: you didn't, actually not until it was all over, you didn't.
Speaker 1: I mean Gaza was hecty, the Anti Paris was, the
Speaker 1: gold mines were hectic. I did. The worst of me
Speaker 1: is if you said you were going away for a
Speaker 1: month and you were coming home. That's great because in
Speaker 1: my mind I know you're coming going and when you're
Speaker 1: coming back. But I remember when you've done the answer piracy.
Speaker 1: I think you were going away for five weeks movie,
Speaker 1: and you ended up staying away for nearly three months,
Speaker 1: and we just didn't have a date for you coming home.
Speaker 1: No no, which was But then I didn't have that
Speaker 1: date either, I suppose, so I couldn't tell if I
Speaker 1: could have told you. Probably I made this pact with
Speaker 1: myself when I first started trying. When I first started
Speaker 1: doing it privately, I realized that if you wanted someone
Speaker 1: to cover your back, it needed to be somebody you
Speaker 1: trusted more than anybody else, and that to me could
Speaker 1: only be my missus. So when I booked out, if
Speaker 1: I wanted people to know where I was, i'd let
Speaker 1: Wendy know what I was doing. And it sounds really
Speaker 1: strange I had the book out through my own missus.
Speaker 1: But to put it in perspective, when I got locked
Speaker 1: up in Togo, the company I was working for weren't
Speaker 1: even interested in what was happening to me. Now, although
Speaker 1: I didn't manage to let Wendy no straight away because
Speaker 1: I went straight down the and I didn't have the
Speaker 1: chance to HAWD I've let Wendy know and she would
Speaker 1: have started putting provision in place to get me out.
Speaker 1: As it was, I talked my own way out of it.
Speaker 1: But I think you know, having you in the background
Speaker 1: for me, you were like my HQ. I'll call her
Speaker 1: the long haired gun because she's the one in the HQ.
Speaker 1: Because HQ, when you're a private military contractor, unless you're
Speaker 1: working for a very reputable country, that company with probably
Speaker 1: a friend at the top of it that you trust implicitly,
Speaker 1: as has shown time and time again through places like
Speaker 1: a RACK and Afghanist down with various companies. Once you
Speaker 1: go down the panel, something nasty happens. They just washed
Speaker 1: their hands of you. Yeah. I think the other thing
Speaker 1: as well. When you first started going away, I would
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time with my family, my mom,
Speaker 1: my daughter. We did more together, and then when you
Speaker 1: would come home, I wouldn't spend as much time with them,
Speaker 1: and they used to actually say to me, you know,
Speaker 1: we don't see them films home. So that was a
Speaker 1: difficult thing for me to act. So I had to
Speaker 1: try and make them understand, and it almost felt like
Speaker 1: as using them, but I wasn't. They did understand in
Speaker 1: the end. That's a hard thing because you've got your friends,
Speaker 1: so when you're away, you tend to see everybody more.
Speaker 1: I don't think that because your parents had only ever
Speaker 1: read your guy before me had a regular night at
Speaker 1: the five times. Well, they were used to go away,
Speaker 1: so they hadn't ever experienced anybody who just went I'm off,
Speaker 1: i'll see you later, and gave a little information as
Speaker 1: I did, to the point that your mother was probably
Speaker 1: the way. Yeah, a normal man, yeah, and the usual
Speaker 1: don understand A good to you. But that's quite hard
Speaker 1: sort of having to say to your friends and family
Speaker 1: that when films here, you won't seeing as much because
Speaker 1: I don't know when he's going away again. Yeah? Was
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Speaker 1: I've always just said to you before that when I
Speaker 1: come home, I have to have time to do all
Speaker 1: sorts of stuff because my kids want to see me,
Speaker 1: Your kids want to see me, my parents want to
Speaker 1: see me. Well, not so much now, but you've got
Speaker 1: to go to see your brothers, your cousins, you'r you
Speaker 1: still got to see your family. And we've both come
Speaker 1: from massive families where everybody wants a bit out of you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you've been away for you know, some cases, three
Speaker 1: months away, two months at home, two weeks at home.
Speaker 1: Possibly you know you didn't know when you were ran
Speaker 1: away next time because everyone wanted to you to themselves.
Speaker 1: And you've got a bit of dough in your pocket.
Speaker 1: You want to go on a holiday, you want to
Speaker 1: do this, you want to do that. And we've done
Speaker 1: some cool stuff together. We've been to Flow and especially
Speaker 1: once the kids started getting older and we've got a
Speaker 1: bit more of our own space, we could go and
Speaker 1: call the things which you can God, did you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Especially if you if you're doing that
Speaker 1: sort of work, you do have a bit of money,
Speaker 1: and you bet, what if it's the worst. What's the
Speaker 1: worst side of things for you of being with someone
Speaker 1: like myself? What's the worst thing? What would you say
Speaker 1: if if someone. If a girlfriend came up to you
Speaker 1: and said, I'll bet this fellow and he's a great lad,
Speaker 1: but he does this, what would be your What's that?
Speaker 1: I don't actually know because most people can say, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you're hectic, you're on the go seven, you
Speaker 1: can't sit still. But there's nothing really bad about you.
Speaker 1: You know. I always said, you remember that time where
Speaker 1: I said to you years ago, you know when you're
Speaker 1: happy with someone, if you had no money and you
Speaker 1: have to say about all months just to go out
Speaker 1: from one point with that person, you would still be
Speaker 1: as happy with them set at home. It's not all
Speaker 1: about just being with you. You know. We've had problems
Speaker 1: along the time. I would say it has all been rosie,
Speaker 1: but that's the nation of a relationship. And we've had
Speaker 1: We've had periods where we've had absolutely next to but
Speaker 1: they're all haven't we money wise? We've had peers where
Speaker 1: we've had nothing. You know, I was trying to make
Speaker 1: money in London from a caravan. You were trying to
Speaker 1: live on nothing. Still, there were very strong together like that.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say there's anything like what I mean, you
Speaker 1: could have a shower a bit more after. But I'll
Speaker 1: bring I'll bring the grunt element to the house. That's
Speaker 1: the problem, so I'll bring it. I'll bring the operator.
Speaker 1: I'm not bothered about clean I am. I'm really not.
Speaker 1: What would you say was the worst thing about me?
Speaker 1: So when your routine is disturbed and I'll come home,
Speaker 1: I know what it is about. Yet you either you
Speaker 1: can be either really high or really bad moods. There's
Speaker 1: no do have mood swings your neck your neck, you
Speaker 1: proper neck, like a neck like ten times worse it is,
Speaker 1: I get and the other do you know what needs
Speaker 1: to annoy me? And this is the main thing that
Speaker 1: we've ever argued about is the kids. Is our children.
Speaker 1: With the nature of the work that I've done, I
Speaker 1: would always try and be friends to the children when
Speaker 1: I come home, But obviously you've got to try and
Speaker 1: discipline them at the same time. And this is when
Speaker 1: lips curling Already, I put a punch up on the
Speaker 1: software for the first time, all right, And I would
Speaker 1: try and be a friend that the kids and probably
Speaker 1: not tell them off or discipline them as heavily as
Speaker 1: I did my son because I had him a lot
Speaker 1: more when he was younger. In hindsight, it was probably
Speaker 1: a mistake not to do that. But when you're working
Speaker 1: away so much and you come home, you don't want
Speaker 1: to be the villain when you come home, yet to
Speaker 1: back your miss his abruptly, perhaps you need to be
Speaker 1: the villain. And that was art. I think the biggest
Speaker 1: thing that we argued about with the kids was black money,
Speaker 1: Like you would just give them money and I would
Speaker 1: say that they have to do something to earn that money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't be home long enough for them to
Speaker 1: get into that sort of routine with me. So I
Speaker 1: just want to see happy one a moment, and if
Speaker 1: I spend a bit of the will lend the mantenna
Speaker 1: or whatever, then that to me was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I could forego because I haven't really had the back chat,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, I think I definitely more.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say strict, I'm hard, and I think that
Speaker 1: would if we look at it in that respect. The
Speaker 1: hardest thing of being in a relationship like this is
Speaker 1: bringing your kids up, bringing two families to government. You've
Speaker 1: got to children and notoriously, and we do have a
Speaker 1: ginger one as well, so we have a change that
Speaker 1: child and and I do, let her know. She said,
Speaker 1: you can, right, yeah, So that that was the hardest thing,
Speaker 1: really hard, just fat money. Like in the situation if
Speaker 1: we haven't got it, we're not bothered about money, but
Speaker 1: I do because if we haven't got it, you can't
Speaker 1: spend it. And we got it spend kids. And I'm
Speaker 1: like that, which is how it is, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So we've never we've never massively. I think
Speaker 1: I gave up chasing the dollar years ago because you know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make you any happier, and you need to
Speaker 1: be happy with the work that you're doing. So you know,
Speaker 1: you might not earn as much as you did, but
Speaker 1: so long as you're happy, I think that's the that's
Speaker 1: the main thing for me. That's why I do what
Speaker 1: I do. Now, alright, let's let's swing fire, and let's
Speaker 1: talk about when I came out at the closet with
Speaker 1: in respect to when I was reviewed, the book went
Speaker 1: viral born Furness did extremely well. Then I started appearing
Speaker 1: on Sky News and I made documentaries and a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff I did online, and our life did change
Speaker 1: slightly because I couldn't do so much of the security
Speaker 1: stuff purely because so many people do recognize me now,
Speaker 1: so you found that difficulty difficult actually, And we've had
Speaker 1: we've had some major trolling online. So we've had some
Speaker 1: real you know, I've done a couple of things online
Speaker 1: which we've upset one side or the other. And we've
Speaker 1: had some real trovels, haven't we going back? Like I
Speaker 1: remember when you sort of did to Burken, you know,
Speaker 1: you were getting noticed. Do you ever remember we everywhere
Speaker 1: we went here people would recognize Phil and he would
Speaker 1: be chatting away and I had to put him up
Speaker 1: one day and I said, hey, Phil, you know you
Speaker 1: start talking to we go out together, you start talking
Speaker 1: to people, and I'm left there. You never even introduced me.
Speaker 1: And remember, yeah, you know it could get you could
Speaker 1: get insolent because I felt like I wasn't used to
Speaker 1: people recognizing me and jumping all over me and wanting
Speaker 1: to speak to you and shake your hand and say hello.
Speaker 1: And you can become very focused on that as opposed
Speaker 1: to what you would be doing normally, which you know
Speaker 1: It's been difficult, wasn't it. But I think for you,
Speaker 1: the worst thing has been the troubling because I've got skin,
Speaker 1: I've got made you can say it to me what
Speaker 1: you want, but unless you're prepared to bring your gumshield
Speaker 1: and meet me somewhere, I don't care what you say.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean about you online? And
Speaker 1: I get your idea, get very upset because that is
Speaker 1: not film. No, we've had some real keyboard mentality. Mentality.
Speaker 1: I just don't think that's something I would never get
Speaker 1: used to. It's hard to take, you know, I know,
Speaker 1: I know Brandon's had a bit of it. I've had
Speaker 1: some of it. I would imagine anybody that sticks their
Speaker 1: head up about you can't keep everybody happy all of
Speaker 1: the time. So no matter you know, and the more
Speaker 1: people that know you, probably the more abuse you're going
Speaker 1: to get because there's always going to be a percentage
Speaker 1: of element the people. One thing we don't get is
Speaker 1: screaming hords of women after me. But we have had
Speaker 1: the odd We have had the odd one. How do
Speaker 1: you because Wendy's mental. Wendy's absolutely ridiculously barking mad, probably
Speaker 1: more barking mad than I when it comes to when
Speaker 1: it comes to infidelity off the scale, but yeah, I'm detected.
Speaker 1: What's high? Go on and tell them az Oh, well,
Speaker 1: I'm like, give me a number, give me your email.
Speaker 1: And Phil has just said you have to just ignore it,
Speaker 1: and you do. I just find it. You know, if
Speaker 1: they know that he's with someone, why would you even
Speaker 1: do that someone's husband. That's me. I'm very old fashioned. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now I suppose so people take liberties online, don't they.
Speaker 1: People say stuff online that they wouldn't say to your face.
Speaker 1: And and you are crazy, absolutely bonkers, bonkers barker. I
Speaker 1: could put them off you quite quick. Yes, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you could take them to the dark side. No, that
Speaker 1: would be that been quite barking. So the plus side
Speaker 1: of a fine that we've done the dark side of it,
Speaker 1: we've done that. We've met some tremendous people, haven't we
Speaker 1: We've met celebrities we would never have met. We've met
Speaker 1: some tremendously normal people that we would ever have been invited.
Speaker 1: We've been invited to some places. I mean, we h
Speaker 1: dinner that was just yeah. Yeah, We've been all sorts
Speaker 1: of different places with v I ped up to the
Speaker 1: max by some people. You know, we've been hosted by generals.
Speaker 1: That's been incredible. That's been an absolute you know, that's
Speaker 1: the real that's the plus side of what of what
Speaker 1: it is that? Yeah? For me, it's that's kind of
Speaker 1: like it doesn't even matter if you you have lots
Speaker 1: of money. We have done things that you have you
Speaker 1: can't money. You can't buy some of the stuff you do.
Speaker 1: I mean, dinner on HMS Victory at the same place
Speaker 1: when Nelson had stood in the same mess where Nelson
Speaker 1: would have been drinking is a crazy thing to do,
Speaker 1: you know, in your mess stress. That's one thing that
Speaker 1: you'll probably you can't buy that one of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know, one of the nicest things we've ever
Speaker 1: done is when Perry got commissioned at Sandhurst, and I
Speaker 1: always just stood there and I was just like, this
Speaker 1: is so nice, isn't that. Yeah, Perry became an officer
Speaker 1: in the British Army. Just for those that don't understand Perry,
Speaker 1: but my son became my oldest son, our eldest son,
Speaker 1: became an officer in the British Army and was commissioned
Speaker 1: at Sanders. We went to his commission in Pray. We
Speaker 1: subsequently that evening stayed and went to his commissioning ball,
Speaker 1: which is quite unusually. Not a lot of parents stayed,
Speaker 1: did they but we were just found ourselves pinching ourselves
Speaker 1: that we were in this thing, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It was It was crazy. Even if my mate Roger
Speaker 1: from the Parachute Regiment did end up black eye for
Speaker 1: sending when he should have been receiving, done a lot
Speaker 1: of good things together. Yeah, there was a lot of
Speaker 1: cool stuff and a lot of cool stuff. Still enjoyable life,
Speaker 1: isn't I've never con clean about that. But it's not
Speaker 1: always been easy. And I think, well, I take when
Speaker 1: I speak to young ones about relationships and all that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. You have to have the n gu
Speaker 1: the never give up attitude. You have to take it.
Speaker 1: You have to work with relationships. It's not something that
Speaker 1: just lands on your lap. And military relationships or operator
Speaker 1: style relationships. And if you go you know the way
Speaker 1: I've gone, and it turns into you know, people actually
Speaker 1: analyzing you as a person and your family to some extent,
Speaker 1: it control all sorts of issues. And I came from
Speaker 1: just totally different wows really didn't. So it's been a yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's still we're still rolling. So then we all right,
Speaker 1: I'm going to leave it unless you got anything else.
Speaker 1: He wants to but because when he's normally got something
Speaker 1: else to say, it's very unusual for Wendy not to
Speaker 1: have the last word. And in terms of Google, I
Speaker 1: don't need it because she knows everything. So I am
Speaker 1: a lucky man. Right there you go. So when I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna cut Wendy frets, he's going to disappear.
Speaker 1: That was something I'd said I wouldn't do, but I
Speaker 1: think I think you'll agree with me it was worth doing. Um, well,
Speaker 1: you chatt, We chatted about this sort of stuff before
Speaker 1: between each other, and honestly, like I said, there's there's
Speaker 1: there's always more pros and there are than there are
Speaker 1: cons when it comes to our relationship, and so long
Speaker 1: as it stays that way, well you're gonna have a
Speaker 1: bumpy ride sometimes, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you're doing what's best for each other. And that's our
Speaker 1: relationships work, whether you're an operator or not, to be honest,
Speaker 1: So that brings me to let's have a let's have
Speaker 1: a last rundown through soft reap. Let's have a look
Speaker 1: at what's going on. Like I said, you've got the
Speaker 1: African Special Forces exercise going on, You've got the airborne stuff.
Speaker 1: You've got loads of pictures of a day, so get
Speaker 1: yourself along the soft reap dot com. Have a good
Speaker 1: butchers at what's going on. Don't forget the Create Club.
Speaker 1: Create Club was doing some really cool things. And just
Speaker 1: before we close, I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you two minutes worth of Prince Harry
Speaker 1: this week. And we know Prince Harry has been in
Speaker 1: all sorts of bother about him and his missus wanting
Speaker 1: to move to Canada, do this, that and the other
Speaker 1: and not be part of the fold anymore, although they
Speaker 1: promised to pay back any money that they're perceived to
Speaker 1: evolde from their wedding in their houses and orders of
Speaker 1: the stuff, which is honorable to me. And don't forget
Speaker 1: Harry is a two tour operator himself, having flown apaches
Speaker 1: in a rat in someone in story in Afghanistan in
Speaker 1: some of the most difficult and challenging operations that they did.
Speaker 1: So he's no, he's no crow, he's no lunaty, he's
Speaker 1: no sort of like he was a royal family book.
Speaker 1: He went to war. That man went to war and
Speaker 1: he flew a helicopter which does one thing goes to battle. Okay,
Speaker 1: So don't get me wrong when I say Prince Harry
Speaker 1: went to battle in a helicopter, all right. He went
Speaker 1: in a helicopter that did not He didn't wasn't a
Speaker 1: troop carrier, It wasn't a it wasn't a supplies helicopter.
Speaker 1: He went to war in a helicopter which was designed
Speaker 1: to go and fight people. Right. So two tours he did,
Speaker 1: two very energetic tours, will call them, okay, very busy
Speaker 1: tours to you, all right. So I've got a lot
Speaker 1: of respect for the man. He wears his medals on
Speaker 1: his chest. He earned his medals on his chest, all right,
Speaker 1: not like some of the other royals you get, who
Speaker 1: didn't do probably as much as he did. The medals
Speaker 1: he's got on his chest he's an all right. The
Speaker 1: Afghan medal is there because he went to Afghanistan and
Speaker 1: he fought, all right. So I've got a lot of
Speaker 1: respect for the man straightaway. A lot of these people
Speaker 1: cutting into him for being a royal are probably a
Speaker 1: little bit out of order in my opinion, But who
Speaker 1: am I? Okay, So this week I just thought i'd
Speaker 1: mentioned this because this week for the very first time,
Speaker 1: he did a mission up in Scotland. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was some sort of talk about the environment or
Speaker 1: something up there. So he's still doing his bits and pieces.
Speaker 1: He dropped a lot of his royal work, but there
Speaker 1: he goes, that's up to him. Anyway, he went to
Speaker 1: Scotland for the very first time this went and normally
Speaker 1: he's introduced as his Royal Highness, the Duke of this,
Speaker 1: the Duke and out there, this that and the other.
Speaker 1: But this time he said he just wanted to be
Speaker 1: introduced pure and simply as Harry. So for the very
Speaker 1: first time this week when they introduced him, the lady
Speaker 1: on the mike says, I'd like to introduce to you
Speaker 1: and give very warm Scottish welcome to Harry. And I
Speaker 1: thought that was really nice, because you know, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, he is Harry. He's Diana's son,
Speaker 1: all right, so you know you can you can, you
Speaker 1: can beat him with the royal stick. He didn't want
Speaker 1: to do that. He wanted to do his own thing.
Speaker 1: He's happy with his misses. Who can knock the man.
Speaker 1: I'm certainly not going to knock him, all right. If
Speaker 1: he wanted to come back into the fold one day
Speaker 1: would be more than welcome. He still is the figurehead
Speaker 1: for many military type related charities. The victor's games are
Speaker 1: just going to go away. You'll still be behind that.
Speaker 1: So he's still doing his bits and pieces. He just
Speaker 1: wants a bit of slack for himself. He's not in
Speaker 1: line to the throne or anything like that, so why
Speaker 1: shouldn't the man enjoy his life? And fair play to you, Harry,
Speaker 1: if you're listening boss, well done, mate, you do your
Speaker 1: bits and pieces. And actually if you've dropped to your titles,
Speaker 1: but don't have to call your boss anymore, so I'll
Speaker 1: call you Harry as well. Well done, Harry good Man.
Speaker 1: There you go. So on that note, as I've said,
Speaker 1: don't forget check out all the other stuff on soft up,
Speaker 1: check out the stuff on craip clubs and really cool
Speaker 1: bits and pieces going on on both sides. Have a
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