Speaker 1: M. Welcome back to the podcast that this is which exists.
Speaker 1: The name is escaping me right now, as is my
Speaker 1: own name. Um. I am floating, amorphous lee in a
Speaker 1: jar of pure thought right now, completely lost and untethered
Speaker 1: from the reality that normally binds me. Sophie, what what
Speaker 1: are we doing? Who am I? You are the only
Speaker 1: Robert Evans and that's good And this is behind the
Speaker 1: bastards and we're here with Billy, Wayne Davis, Anderson Dog
Speaker 1: and me. Thank you. I was lost in the phantom zone,
Speaker 1: but now I feel grounded and ready to talk about
Speaker 1: Harry Hawxy. Oh my god, Thank goodness, he's still speaking
Speaker 1: of kicking Billy. How are you doing. I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 1: I got some gatorade and Gator Pop tart. Yeah. Well
Speaker 1: that sounds like the necessary equipment. Well, let's let's tear
Speaker 1: back into this dirty paper sack of history. The American
Speaker 1: medical establishment was still quite new in the nineteen fifties,
Speaker 1: and at first it did not have one stray funck
Speaker 1: of an idea about what to do to stop Harry Haxey. Uh.
Speaker 1: The men of the A m A Were studious and learned,
Speaker 1: but they fought like children. Of the early nineteen hundreds,
Speaker 1: and Harry Hawxy thought like a twenty feet century grifter.
Speaker 1: This is a guy who was like using the same
Speaker 1: playbook as Alex Jones and like, you know, Mike Adams
Speaker 1: of Natural News, but he's using it in like fucking
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty. He's he's just so far ahead of these
Speaker 1: people that it takes them a long time to figure out,
Speaker 1: like how to actually combat his particular brand of bullshit.
Speaker 1: Haxey sent copies of his new autobiography to every senator
Speaker 1: and representative in the United States, and he also started
Speaker 1: talking about running for governor. He expanded his touring to
Speaker 1: members of other fringe groups who hated the A, m
Speaker 1: A and the f d A. His chief ally in
Speaker 1: this was Gerald b. Win Rod. Have you ever heard
Speaker 1: of Gerald b win Rod? Billy, You know, I'm excited.
Speaker 1: We're probably gonna have to talk about Gerald b win
Speaker 1: Rod in detail at some point, But the short of
Speaker 1: it is he was an evangelical preacher from Kansas. Win Rod. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the sort of person we talk about every single
Speaker 1: time we do an early twentieth century United States episode.
Speaker 1: He's kind of in the same vein as father Coughlin.
Speaker 1: Both men are like aggressive religious fundamentalists who either tip
Speaker 1: right up to or go right past the line of
Speaker 1: explicitly endorsing fascism in the United States. UM. And when
Speaker 1: Rod is a past the line kind of guy. UM.
Speaker 1: He'd run for Senate back in nineteen thirty eight on
Speaker 1: a platform of I found a master's thesis from Bethel
Speaker 1: College from a student named James Schmidt who discusses what
Speaker 1: his platform was, and I think that's going to do
Speaker 1: a better job of sort of walking you through this
Speaker 1: guy's political um ideology than than than I could do.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to quote from that now using radio
Speaker 1: station w y b W and Topeka. When Rod broadcast
Speaker 1: his program of reform, his seven point proposal called for
Speaker 1: defensive constitutional democracy against communism and fascism, reconstitution of the
Speaker 1: national character, rigid observance of states rights to combat the
Speaker 1: growing federal bureaucracy, absolute neutrality and foreign policy, return of
Speaker 1: control of the monetary system from the Federal Reserve Board
Speaker 1: to Congress, repeal of the New Deal, labor and business legislation,
Speaker 1: and an attitude on the part of the national government
Speaker 1: that will inspire confidence in order to encourage the controllers
Speaker 1: of private capital to create honest jobs when Rodd also
Speaker 1: sent mass mailings using Dr John R. Brinkley's hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty thousand name mailing list and drove in a car
Speaker 1: equipped with a speaker, taking his message directly to Kansas voters. However,
Speaker 1: because of the apparent anti Semitism and near support for
Speaker 1: Hitler's anti Jewish policies and his previous speeches and publications,
Speaker 1: numerous Canston's opposed his candidacy the Hitler and Guy Na.
Speaker 1: Although he opposes fascism, he's just also an isolationist and
Speaker 1: doesn't think we should do anything about Hitler. And also
Speaker 1: Hitler's kind of rite about the Jews. That's when Rod, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yeah. What I also said it on allowed speaker
Speaker 1: that put on my car. Why I am against fascism,
Speaker 1: but we shouldn't fight fascism by fighting it. And also
Speaker 1: the fascists are right about the racist things they say
Speaker 1: and the government and the way they run the government.
Speaker 1: I actually am pretty okay with fascism. Oh, I mean yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I I thought you said something else. No, I like fascism. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought you were saying like Faschisel and I am
Speaker 1: not okay with rap talk. No, Now, when Rod had
Speaker 1: actually visited Nazi Germany back in nineteen thirty and he
Speaker 1: hadn't exactly but unhappy about what he'd seen there. And
Speaker 1: when he lost his election, the vast majority of the
Speaker 1: votes that he got came from parts of Kansas traditionally
Speaker 1: considered to be clan strongholds, which they have interesting ideas
Speaker 1: about what can be done with bed sheets, to put
Speaker 1: it mildly, Yeah, so it looks like he won boss
Speaker 1: Hog County. Oh lord, um so yeah. He wound up
Speaker 1: being charged with sedition in the mid nineteen forties for
Speaker 1: having quote feloniously and knowingly conspired, combined, confederated and agreed
Speaker 1: with each other and with officials of the government of
Speaker 1: the German Reich and leaders and members of the Nazi Party.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I'm not I'm against fascism, but I
Speaker 1: like some fascists. I like all of the fascists, and
Speaker 1: I think we should do what they've done here. But
Speaker 1: I am not in favor of fascists. I am a
Speaker 1: member of fascism, but I'm against it from this standpoint.
Speaker 1: M hmm, that is my signature. Yes, yes, one of
Speaker 1: the fun bits of little history here is that win
Speaker 1: Rod was actually the model for buzz Windrip, the fictional
Speaker 1: American fearer cooked up by Sinclair Lewis for his book
Speaker 1: It Can't Happen Here. Um, so that's neat. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's that guy, and he winds up working with Harry
Speaker 1: Haxey see after the war, Yeah, yeah, after the war.
Speaker 1: His trial, sedition trial ends on a technicality because the
Speaker 1: judge dies, I think the universe has the best sense
Speaker 1: of humor if it's very fun that's what in an
Speaker 1: objective sense. That's I mean purely objective, like not being
Speaker 1: a part of it and being fucked ID a lot sucks,
Speaker 1: But objectively, that's what this podcast proves more than anything,
Speaker 1: is the universe is funny. It's you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: funny in the what's the name of the guy? He
Speaker 1: played the parrot and fucking Aladdin, Gilbert it's funny in
Speaker 1: the same way that Gilbert Godfried set right after nine
Speaker 1: eleven was funny. We're like, it's it is actually very funny,
Speaker 1: but everybody gets really angry. Yeah, that's the that's the
Speaker 1: universe's sense of humors. Gilbert Godfried making a nine eleven
Speaker 1: joke like a month later, just but with nailing it,
Speaker 1: with timing and everything. Absolutely slamming at home, but just
Speaker 1: really pissing everyone on. You're like, Hi, I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to go to and so I'm gonna have to go
Speaker 1: to the bathroom so I can laugh at this, but
Speaker 1: I don't want anyone to see me laughing. God, it's
Speaker 1: so funny. That's a definition funny what he did there.
Speaker 1: But people are gonna be mad, and they're mad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're mad. I knew it. Yeah, that is the death. Yes,
Speaker 1: that is the definition the out. Yeah, and I I
Speaker 1: learned a lot from him, which is why I decided
Speaker 1: not to open this episode with what's corona ing my viruses?
Speaker 1: I just figured that was a good call. I would
Speaker 1: have I would have loved that because you read Robert's
Speaker 1: tweet where it's like sixty thousand people died of the
Speaker 1: flu last year. So I don't think we should freak
Speaker 1: the funk out just yet. I think it's a problem.
Speaker 1: They might be using it to see how well they
Speaker 1: can control cities and ship I'm not going to get
Speaker 1: into conspiracy talking here, but I do think that, like
Speaker 1: I think if you are, for example, um someone very
Speaker 1: close to me as a Chinese UH citizen and has
Speaker 1: family over there, and they're incredibly worried, and it's a
Speaker 1: very scary time. You were not like a friend of
Speaker 1: mine is going over to Europe and was worried. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna You're not gonna get coronavirus. You'll be fine,
Speaker 1: Like you will be okay, this is not something to
Speaker 1: freak out about for you. UM. Anyway, that's very much
Speaker 1: outside of the UH. I like weight in conspiracy, so
Speaker 1: I do. I do like weed and conspiracies, and I
Speaker 1: would love to I don't know. There's well, probably we'll
Speaker 1: do when it could happen here season and talk about
Speaker 1: it might happen, Yes, will not happen. Billy says, it
Speaker 1: could happen here. That's season two. This could happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll watch like one episode of The X Files first,
Speaker 1: but not like one of the not like one of
Speaker 1: the uh you know, the mythology ones, one of like
Speaker 1: one of the ones like I don't know, one of
Speaker 1: the Monster of the Weak ones. Those are the ones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll get bored to the rest of the it just
Speaker 1: gets to it gets to anyway. I like it YETI
Speaker 1: I want. I want Yetis and Mothman. You know, that's
Speaker 1: all I want. I want FBI agents fighting Mothman. I
Speaker 1: would agree to increase the FBI's budget if they would
Speaker 1: agree to only fight Mothman. But Alas I think you
Speaker 1: don't say that to the wrong FBI agent. He's like,
Speaker 1: that's how we're gonna get funded. I feel like every
Speaker 1: honest FBI agent would much rather be fighting Mothman. But
Speaker 1: without a doubt, because they all grew up watching Fox Molder.
Speaker 1: We know it. That's just the way it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't get in the FBI do patterns and ship. No,
Speaker 1: you want to get to shoot at a Mothman in
Speaker 1: rural Oregon. Yeah, that's that's what we all want. That's why,
Speaker 1: that's what we all really want at the end of
Speaker 1: the day. Anyway, Jack, so we're talking about that guy,
Speaker 1: win Rod. So he the judge dies his sedition trial
Speaker 1: ins on a technicality, and in the wake of it,
Speaker 1: he launches a newspaper, The Defender, which he used to
Speaker 1: pump out anti Semitic and anti black propaganda for his
Speaker 1: audience of a hundred thousand Americans. He also argued for
Speaker 1: the existence of flying saucers and ran copious ads for
Speaker 1: non additional medicines in other words, like Dr John Brinkley,
Speaker 1: his peer when Rod was basically nineteen fifties Alex Jones.
Speaker 1: So he's talking to people about like aliens and racism
Speaker 1: and selling them fake medicine and also yelling about fluoride
Speaker 1: in the water that he's a big anti fluoride crusader. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just Alex Jones. Yeah it does sound like the
Speaker 1: same guy print of that man. Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. Um.
Speaker 1: And like you know, so when Rod gets into this
Speaker 1: business of like spreading propaganda and bullshit medicine, and he
Speaker 1: immediately sees that Harry Hawxy's stupid fake cancer cure might
Speaker 1: be a gold mine. So when Rod had already made
Speaker 1: a fortune selling gli oxy glioxylide, which is a fake
Speaker 1: cancer cure from Detroit Um, and he'd established the Christian
Speaker 1: Medical Research League in order to study read market this
Speaker 1: cure read poison, when Rod quickly got to work selling
Speaker 1: Haxey's nonsense too. He began claiming that he had been
Speaker 1: treated with it as a young boy and it had
Speaker 1: saved his life. So readers should definitely try this ship
Speaker 1: folk it up a little bit. I don't like the
Speaker 1: Detroit slander. It's not out there, it's just it's not slander.
Speaker 1: It's just where it happened. That's yeah. I don't like that.
Speaker 1: I got to own your ship. Look, bad things happen,
Speaker 1: even the closest bad thing top and in Detroit that's
Speaker 1: not even on the list. It's really everybody should visit.
Speaker 1: It's bad. Now. I'm just saying the history there's been
Speaker 1: some Detroit not great. It's it just hurts me to
Speaker 1: see fate cancer cure from Detroit. It means a lot
Speaker 1: of other stuff coming from Detroit. That's the point. Don't
Speaker 1: you continue The bad guy's city from this is still Dallas. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we can the d cities absolutely not even a question.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, so um um for his work. When Rod
Speaker 1: was paid more than eighty thou dollars by Hoxy, this
Speaker 1: was not disclosed to the readers of his newsletter, and
Speaker 1: it eventually came out in a court case which Haxy lost.
Speaker 1: Rather than show any shame at all, when Rod published
Speaker 1: a letter to his supporters begging them to let out
Speaker 1: daily persistent argumentative prayer for Haxy, he also asked for
Speaker 1: donations so he could continue Haxy's anti cancer crusade. Last,
Speaker 1: he asked his readers to each sent him the addresses
Speaker 1: of five cancer patients. God, who, oh my god, what
Speaker 1: a piece of shit. Just keep pushing, just keep pushing it. God,
Speaker 1: it's really golf. Clap on that one A plus level drifting,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's smart yea. When Rod and Haxey were
Speaker 1: good allies, but Haxey knew that any good grift had
Speaker 1: to diversify, So we also started working with the American Rally,
Speaker 1: an isolationist group dedicated to peace abundance in the Constitution.
Speaker 1: The members of American Rally were outraged at the fluoridation
Speaker 1: of water and believe the polio vaccine was poisonous. They
Speaker 1: also believed in flying saucers. The American Rally thought Haxy
Speaker 1: was not only a great healer, but a potential vice
Speaker 1: president and maybe a good bet to run alongside a
Speaker 1: Senator named Langer in the nineteen election. Everything he said
Speaker 1: was just like a mad li And then even even
Speaker 1: vice vice president isn't funny. I know, it's amazing. That's
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, he should be the vice president. He
Speaker 1: should be the vice president. He's fucking in. You've got
Speaker 1: anti vaccine and anti fluoride ship and like a right
Speaker 1: wing isolationist tea party light group. It's just nothing has
Speaker 1: ever changed about the United States of America in the
Speaker 1: entirety of the time. It's exists now at all times.
Speaker 1: It's awesome. It's just it is awesome. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: why I like. What I do is a trailer on
Speaker 1: the country. People are like, no, there's no way. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you guys should drive around. Yeah, yeah, this will work somewhere.
Speaker 1: Whatever dumb thing you can think of, there is a
Speaker 1: part of this country will It will make you the
Speaker 1: biggest man in town, and you'll find a partner that
Speaker 1: will make you, guys even bigger. Now they bring him
Speaker 1: into a merritt Haxie into like a merit this American
Speaker 1: rally rally because they wanted me to be the vice
Speaker 1: presidential candidate. And they introduced him at a Chicago event
Speaker 1: by saying the spirit of Lincoln is here tonight, and
Speaker 1: Haxey responds by telling the crowd the a m A
Speaker 1: killed my daddy, the same bunch of rats I've been
Speaker 1: kicking ever since. Just folk it up. They know what
Speaker 1: they're doing. It's not it's not dumb. It's not dumb,
Speaker 1: it's disingenuous. Yeah. And the book Medical Messiah's points out
Speaker 1: that American Rally was one of a number of Haxey
Speaker 1: supporting organizations, all of whom were united by an idea
Speaker 1: called medical freedom, which is quote defined as the right
Speaker 1: of every individual to seek treatment from Haxey's clinic and
Speaker 1: other clinics and practitioners frowned on by the Orthodox medical
Speaker 1: establishment to such groups. For the American Association for Medico
Speaker 1: Physical Research in the American Naturopathic Association, Haxey and as
Speaker 1: associates spoke before their meetings at a naturopathic convention in Chicago.
Speaker 1: Haxey addressed himself to the theme, who are the real
Speaker 1: cancer quacks? And may God have mercy on their souls? Yeah?
Speaker 1: He is good, He's not bad. No. Now, Well, Harry
Speaker 1: Hawxy couldn't ship his cancer treatment across state lines. Nothing,
Speaker 1: but nothing was going to stop people in other states
Speaker 1: from advocating for the Haxey method. There in Pennsylvania, his
Speaker 1: greatest backer was a state senator named John Haluska. So
Speaker 1: many senators and congressman get involved in this. He knows.
Speaker 1: The right thing is like people trust. At least at
Speaker 1: this point, people trusted their senator and their congressman. And
Speaker 1: they don't know anything about medicine, but doctors do. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and convert a bunch of fucking politicians.
Speaker 1: That's a smart way to spread your bullshit. And m hm.
Speaker 1: So Haluska was just as dumb as all the other
Speaker 1: politicians we've talked about today, but he at least had
Speaker 1: a little bit of an excuse. He had lost his
Speaker 1: mother and baby boy to cancer, and he credited Haxey
Speaker 1: with saving his sister's life, claiming that actual daughters had
Speaker 1: given up on her. She had in fact been treated
Speaker 1: successfully with X rays, but Haluska didn't like to talk
Speaker 1: about that for some reason. He probably just that the
Speaker 1: X rays had only made it worse than it was.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know wife too, and that didn't work,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, who knows. Heluska lost
Speaker 1: his job as administrator of a hospital for trying to
Speaker 1: convert the nurses there to carrying out hoxy treatments, which
Speaker 1: is fair. No, no, it seems like poison. Yeah. Helusca
Speaker 1: took this as a sign to open his own cancer
Speaker 1: clinic out of a remodeled appliance store slash garage. Eventually,
Speaker 1: this clinic was successful enough that Haxey himself came to visit.
Speaker 1: He was greeted by a parade and was introduced to
Speaker 1: the Pennsylvania Senate by Helusca. After a round of applause,
Speaker 1: the state senator publicly introduced Toxie to Kathy Allison, a
Speaker 1: young girl from Indiana. He said, quote, here is that
Speaker 1: little angel who, according to medical science, had to meet
Speaker 1: the angel soon today. She's going to school, was x
Speaker 1: rayed last week and found to be cancer free and
Speaker 1: is playing like any other normal fild. But you got
Speaker 1: a good feeling about Kathy Allison, Billy, don't, if I'm
Speaker 1: being honest, to have a good feeling. Yeah. She died
Speaker 1: eight months later of chest cancer. Yeah, m m m, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of what you expect. The FDA succeeded in
Speaker 1: bringing suit against the clinic in Pennsylvania, and a jury
Speaker 1: ordered its medicine destroyed. In April nineteen fifty six, the
Speaker 1: FDA published a warning in the Federal Register revealing that
Speaker 1: it's scientists had thoroughly investigated Haxey's preparations and found that
Speaker 1: they were both useless and potentially deadly. It turned out
Speaker 1: that the actual content of Haxey's medicine varied widely from
Speaker 1: day to day, and some preparations they'd studied included potassium iodide,
Speaker 1: which the FDA had found actually accelerated the growth of tumors.
Speaker 1: They noted that they had found not a single certified
Speaker 1: cure among all his patients, not fucking one, not fucking
Speaker 1: that they should have included a fucking in there, you're
Speaker 1: right sucking one of them. Not a single goddamn one. Now,
Speaker 1: this was actually the very first time in history that
Speaker 1: the f d A ever publicly denounced to cancer care
Speaker 1: as absolutely fraudulent. In nineteen fifty seven, they doubled down
Speaker 1: on this by asking US post office across the country,
Speaker 1: more than forty six thousand of them, to put up
Speaker 1: public beware posters warning patients about Hoxey's care, and this
Speaker 1: seems to have helped immensely. The agency estimated three thousand
Speaker 1: people were kept away from Hoxy's snake oil in the
Speaker 1: first thirty weeks. It was like it saved lives mhmm, thousands,
Speaker 1: probably well hundreds, probably a lot of them probably didn't
Speaker 1: have cancer. But yeah, it saved a lot of lives.
Speaker 1: And you know what else saves a lot of lives, Billy,
Speaker 1: So many lives therapeutically and medicinally guaranteed. F d A
Speaker 1: backed to save lives. Every single product in service that
Speaker 1: supports this podcast. You that. Yeah, And if it's a
Speaker 1: Mike Bloomberg ad that comes up next, that will in
Speaker 1: fact cure your cancer, absolutely, that's my If it doesn't,
Speaker 1: you have to sue yourself. You don't know, there's no
Speaker 1: proof that it won't. I will say, Mike, Mike Bloomberg
Speaker 1: has the ability to cure all of your cancers. He
Speaker 1: chooses not to, but he could. Yeah, that's just charisma alone.
Speaker 1: That's just all charisma. He is charismatic. Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So here's some products. We're back. So, yeah, when we
Speaker 1: left off, the f d A has like put out
Speaker 1: forty six thousand warnings about the Haxey treatment in post
Speaker 1: offices all around the country, and this has proved to
Speaker 1: be very effective in stopping people from buying into his
Speaker 1: bullshit because this was an age in which people still
Speaker 1: trusted the government to some extent, so wouldn't work now nowadays,
Speaker 1: I imagine that would increase your um your sales substantially, actually,
Speaker 1: if you were a bullshit treatment um. But it was
Speaker 1: a different time. So Haxy saw the FDA's actions is
Speaker 1: enough of a threat that he sued the government for
Speaker 1: issuing these warnings. He lost the case, and Alusca lost
Speaker 1: an appeal that he filed in Pennsylvania. By October of
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty seven, the FDA could happily announce that they
Speaker 1: had been successful in all federal court cases against Haxey's treatment.
Speaker 1: With each trial came more and more testimonials from patients
Speaker 1: who had learned the hard way that Harry Haxey was
Speaker 1: a fraud. And I'm going to quote now from a
Speaker 1: McGill university right up on the Haxey treatment quote. A
Speaker 1: former patient testified that he had been diagnosed with cancer
Speaker 1: and offered a treatment for two hundred and fifty dollars
Speaker 1: in a six week recuperative stay at Huxey's hospital for
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty dollars, a lot of money at
Speaker 1: the time. He recovered, but not from cancer. Actually later
Speaker 1: turned out that he had suffered from Barber's itch. The
Speaker 1: other the other instance, an FDA undercover agent was diagnosed
Speaker 1: with advanced prostate cancer that had metastasized to the lungs
Speaker 1: and told he had come it just in time for
Speaker 1: the cancer to be arrested. There was an arrest, all right,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't of the cancer. WHOA, that's awesome. It's
Speaker 1: just like eyeballling a cop and being like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: got a loan cancer. Yeah. So uh. The f d
Speaker 1: A is very successful in winning all of their court
Speaker 1: cases against Hoxie, but alas as they admitted quote, such
Speaker 1: actions will not in the menace of this treatment, since
Speaker 1: the federal government does not have the power to stop
Speaker 1: a clinic in any state from treating cancer patients within
Speaker 1: that state with the nostrums which comprise the hoxy treatment.
Speaker 1: Millions of copies of false promotional literature are still in circulation,
Speaker 1: much of it reporting cures of persons who are now
Speaker 1: dead bummer, and in this they were lamented correct. The
Speaker 1: next couple of years saw the gradual dissolution of Harry
Speaker 1: Haxey's US based businesses. Texas court cases saw his license
Speaker 1: revoked and his ability to practice medicine in the state ended.
Speaker 1: So it only took Texas. I don't know, a decade
Speaker 1: and change, well, more like twenty. It took Texas a
Speaker 1: long time, but they did eventually take his medical license
Speaker 1: away that had been granted to him, probably for ten dollars. Mm.
Speaker 1: So that's good. That's good. Yeah, his honorary and medical license. Hey,
Speaker 1: give us back. Yeah, I do love that. Like, if
Speaker 1: his story is true, his dad, who gave him the cure,
Speaker 1: was grandfathered into having a medical license, and Harry's was honorary.
Speaker 1: It's it's awesome earned, just like my father earned it
Speaker 1: before me. And uh so uh. Haxey was forced to
Speaker 1: lease his clinic to someone else, but the FDA succeeded
Speaker 1: in getting a permanent injunction against his treatment. From late
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty on, the Hoxy method of treating cancer could
Speaker 1: no longer be legally practiced in the United States. So
Speaker 1: that's good. That's good. That's good. That does not, however,
Speaker 1: mean that you cannot still get the Haxey treatment if
Speaker 1: you want some fake medicine to deal with your real cancer.
Speaker 1: Because in the mid nineteen sixties, nineteen sixty three to
Speaker 1: be exact, one of Haxey's nurses moved you know where
Speaker 1: we're going here, Billy, Tijuana, Mexico. That's right. She set
Speaker 1: up the first cancer clinic in that grand city and
Speaker 1: it is still in operation to this day. Stop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So the fact that this clinic has been in operation
Speaker 1: in Tijuana, Mexico for like fifty some odd years has
Speaker 1: provided actual doctors with some opportunity to like test how
Speaker 1: well the treatments work. Um, and I'm read a quote
Speaker 1: from that McGill University paper on that. Now. In nineteen,
Speaker 1: the National Center for Complimentary and Alternative Medicine, certainly not
Speaker 1: an anti alternative organization, examined evidence submitted by a Haxy
Speaker 1: clinic in Mexico and found that of a hundred and
Speaker 1: forty nine patients who had been treated, only five could
Speaker 1: be tracked down five years later, and of these only
Speaker 1: seventeen were still alive. Such a six percent survival rate
Speaker 1: is not exactly the claimed eighties percent rate, and probably
Speaker 1: could be achieved by an anti cancer diet of frog legs, snails,
Speaker 1: and Mexican jumping beans. They got a little racist at
Speaker 1: the end. There was going to the point he was
Speaker 1: being a little bit of a dick at the end.
Speaker 1: But the point is it doesn't work. Yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 1: it's still you can still go down there though, you can.
Speaker 1: You can go down there and get it. You can
Speaker 1: get it right now. You go get your cancer treated.
Speaker 1: If you're in San Diego, you could be getting cancer
Speaker 1: treatment by this afternoon. Yep. You could listen to this
Speaker 1: on your way down Rosarta. Yeah, yeah, lovely. So Hoxie
Speaker 1: himself stayed in Dallas. He transitions seamlessly from selling fake
Speaker 1: medicine to investing in the oil and gas industry. Okay,
Speaker 1: so so you're just selling just holes in the ground. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that seems pretty easy. Now. When I burned people's faces off,
Speaker 1: nobody even gets angry. They just say that's the way
Speaker 1: it's supposed to work, and they're like, yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: we hired him to date is sometimes their faces getting burned.
Speaker 1: M hm uh. He was diagnosed with prostate cancer in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven. He attempted to use the hoxy treatment,
Speaker 1: but tragically it did not work. He was under forced
Speaker 1: to undergo conventional surgery, which saved his life. He spent
Speaker 1: the rest of it hiding from the world and died
Speaker 1: alone in nineteen He was like, you know what, you guys,
Speaker 1: I see a lot of you have a point now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't. I'm gonna go away. I'm gonna go away.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. And again, if he had been a
Speaker 1: modern grift here, he never would have gone away. He
Speaker 1: would have found a way to roll with the punches.
Speaker 1: But he was an old man by then. You know,
Speaker 1: he'd rolled a lot, so much rolling that is the
Speaker 1: most impressive. I mean, all the bastards, well I've covered
Speaker 1: they've been. There's an element of impressive to them all.
Speaker 1: A persistence that I do not understand. And I'm a
Speaker 1: very person, I mean, the perfect me to make it
Speaker 1: in comedy. Yes, it's purely persistence. After a certain year
Speaker 1: of skill learning, you're like, well now it's just persistence.
Speaker 1: And these guys are just like I'm gonna go Max,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this right what I'm gonna Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna burn some faces off, I guess go down there.
Speaker 1: I just don't understand the main goal, like because they
Speaker 1: keep losing money, a lot of them, So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I get confused. Yeah, as to like what drives all
Speaker 1: these motherfuckers? Some comes what drives all these motherfucker's, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe just money, but there's I do think
Speaker 1: a lot of them don't have a lot of money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is. I think, honestly,
Speaker 1: most of it in every grifter, most of it is
Speaker 1: social cash a and the money is kind of part
Speaker 1: of getting the social cash at it allows you to be.
Speaker 1: They want to be a big man. They want to
Speaker 1: be a big, powerful, important person. That's that's what it
Speaker 1: always comes down to. I really do think I think
Speaker 1: that was that with Elizabeth Holmes. She wanted to be
Speaker 1: a hugely influential, powerful part. She was always more interested
Speaker 1: in the like sitting on different boards and giving advice
Speaker 1: to the government sort of thing than actually making anything.
Speaker 1: And she's always name dropping other powerful people. Yeah, you're exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And even the voice thing that is, she's she studied
Speaker 1: powerful people and that's what that is. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: deep voice. People respond on to authority, the deeper voice
Speaker 1: like that. To me, that wasn't fascinating. When people can
Speaker 1: you believe you change your voice? I was like, no,
Speaker 1: that's it works. Yeah, I mean I change my voice
Speaker 1: because people take me more seriously when I speak the
Speaker 1: way that I speak than the way I grew up talking.
Speaker 1: Oh you know, little people like you can lose your accent.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no ship, but I like to make people laugh.
Speaker 1: So that's that's yeah, I mean, it's that's what happened.
Speaker 1: That's the only downside of coming from ten s And
Speaker 1: while we're talking about Tennessee, Billy, you're the only ten
Speaker 1: I see. I've never gotten to use that line before,
Speaker 1: and I and you did pretty smooth. That's the smoothest
Speaker 1: I've ever heard that line. You thank you. I've practiced
Speaker 1: a lot. I like to shout at at people as
Speaker 1: I passed from cars um let as listeners couldn't see
Speaker 1: Billy go on. His face lit up. Now, the Hoxy
Speaker 1: treatment is still very much Oh no, there's too much
Speaker 1: momentum behind this grift for it to ever die. Now,
Speaker 1: in ten thousand years, the only remnants of our society
Speaker 1: will be the war in Afghanistan and the Haxey Treatment.
Speaker 1: It's just gonna be them floating in the boy. So
Speaker 1: Haxey's bullshit treatment is very much alive and well. In fact,
Speaker 1: the move of his nurse to Mexico in the mid
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties sparked the birth of a new industry in
Speaker 1: Baja California. By two thousand two, they were more than
Speaker 1: seventy alternative cancer clinics in Tijuana and Rosarrito, none more
Speaker 1: prominent than the Haxy Clinic today. Billy, if you decide
Speaker 1: I want to get some cancer cured, but not by
Speaker 1: a doctor in a way that actually cures my cancer.
Speaker 1: If you make that call, you know which who who
Speaker 1: hasn't felt that way from time to time? Uh? If
Speaker 1: you decide, yeah, So if you start looking into Haxy treatment,
Speaker 1: or like, if one of your relatives is like looking
Speaker 1: at people you know. Just here's what's frustrating. It is
Speaker 1: old timy enough that it's kind of a pain in
Speaker 1: the asked to research what the treatment is. If you
Speaker 1: look at the first page of Google results, there will
Speaker 1: be a couple of accurate articles by authoritative sources tearing
Speaker 1: it apart, like the McGill article University article. But there
Speaker 1: are just as many positive sources about Haxey on the
Speaker 1: first page of Google results, um, including the Amazon page
Speaker 1: for the book Haxy Therapy. When Natural Cares for Science
Speaker 1: became illegal? Website? Fuck you fun? That fun? Huh? That
Speaker 1: title right below that is the website for a documentary
Speaker 1: Hoxie How Healing Becomes a Crime. Now it's hearing stuff
Speaker 1: like that, it's like it answers that question, like how
Speaker 1: can anyone be against the legalization of marijuana? And you're like,
Speaker 1: will you hear people defending stuff like that? And you're like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: that's no. It makes total sense because people are just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know this stuff over here, but this stuff
Speaker 1: and you're like, uh, you're right, you're right, and I'm
Speaker 1: a big marijuana should be legal and in some cases
Speaker 1: mandatory advocate, but um, like, obviously the whole medicinal marijuana
Speaker 1: industry is at least fifty nonsense. Like I have had
Speaker 1: it had advised to me. Every time I've had an
Speaker 1: advised for me to me for anything but a treatment
Speaker 1: for like mild pain, it has not done a goddamn thing.
Speaker 1: Which is not to say there aren't things that can do.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of really interesting research going on about
Speaker 1: like the ability of certain cannabinoids to like you know,
Speaker 1: fight cancer and stuff that actual doctors it's not just
Speaker 1: smoking pot obviously. Well, and then yeah, they can't give
Speaker 1: you a strain. That always cracked me up to this
Speaker 1: strain is like good for this, and you're like, you
Speaker 1: don't know that because you don't even got infection. Bro,
Speaker 1: you got a log infection. Smoke this straight, yes, just
Speaker 1: hit this ship. Here's the herpies concoction of that is.
Speaker 1: But it is that and it sucks because it's also
Speaker 1: like you you see this with every good drug with alcohol.
Speaker 1: Back in the day, everybody loved alcohol, so suddenly like
Speaker 1: doctors would be like, oh, alcohol will treat this, alcohol
Speaker 1: will treat that. Getting drunk is the right cure for this.
Speaker 1: And it's really only the cure for kidney stones, um
Speaker 1: and a lame party. But yeah, and sadness, all three
Speaker 1: of them. It doesn't make it worse at all, but
Speaker 1: it is like that frustrating Yeah, like yep, it's just
Speaker 1: this human nature. And I think that's you said it
Speaker 1: best where we're both just like it's just that uh
Speaker 1: and then it's just human nature where it's like it's
Speaker 1: like how bacon was really popular a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: Remember that, Yeah, oh yeah it was huge, and well
Speaker 1: yeah now it's like a Republican thing too. It's weird
Speaker 1: the road that bacon went on over the last like
Speaker 1: fifteen years. Yeah, it's a bit of people like ah,
Speaker 1: eat bacon or you triggered like no, dude, everybody likes bacon.
Speaker 1: People like it's like the watermelon, and people things like
Speaker 1: that's just good. What are you talking, Yeah, it's yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a whole long races. We actually may do a
Speaker 1: fun episode on like all of the horrible histories behind
Speaker 1: those particular stereotypes. But I don't know. This is off
Speaker 1: topic of it, um, but it is like this feeling
Speaker 1: I have about I have this. I have this theory
Speaker 1: that we would not have the problem we currently have
Speaker 1: with like bullshit medical treatments if we had never started
Speaker 1: the war on drugs mm hmm. If marijuana had never
Speaker 1: been this counterculture thing, if it had always just been like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you just go down to the farm across
Speaker 1: the street and pick some wheed and smoke it, like,
Speaker 1: and no one had ever made it into a thing,
Speaker 1: I don't think it would have attracted you know, doctors
Speaker 1: might would hopefully still be finding useful medical things from it,
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't be this like weird cult in the
Speaker 1: same way that alcohol doesn't have this weird cult. Like
Speaker 1: there's people who like to drink, but there's not like this.
Speaker 1: It's not the same thing. I don't know, well, it
Speaker 1: was never yeah, well, you only had to go away
Speaker 1: from somebody to use alcohol for a short period and
Speaker 1: then you get to all use it again in the Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's what made part where you always had
Speaker 1: to go away to use it and you you all.
Speaker 1: It's also I think this the fact that the path
Speaker 1: to starting legalization, like, I don't think marijuana would have
Speaker 1: reached the point that it currently reached without that interim
Speaker 1: where everybody was really pushing the medical aspects of it,
Speaker 1: like where we would all have to go get like
Speaker 1: prescriptions and ship. That was we all saw that. It
Speaker 1: was like this is just a step and a step.
Speaker 1: That was a cool part of that. I think the
Speaker 1: cult of it, yeah, was we recognized the bullshit, just
Speaker 1: do it, just do it this way, and then I yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think to say what to go along with
Speaker 1: what you're saying, what happened? And it's that snake oil
Speaker 1: ship where once it's a is once CBD. They discovered
Speaker 1: it and now it's in everything. And I've been talking
Speaker 1: two ice cream places I can walk to have CBD
Speaker 1: ice cream. I was like two weeks ago my grandmother.
Speaker 1: I was talking to her and she's like, I've put
Speaker 1: some CBD on my elbow. It's like, oh, it's going
Speaker 1: It's going legal federally so fast. Now, that was the
Speaker 1: smartest thing they could have done, because old people call
Speaker 1: their senators and bug the ship out of them. You
Speaker 1: get old people using pot, they'll change them laws. And
Speaker 1: it's happening because the CBD. That's what we gotta get
Speaker 1: old people on acid. Next, it's that I will that
Speaker 1: boomer generation is coming through there. But there hashtag somebody
Speaker 1: drugging old folks film. You just gotta we gotta jump
Speaker 1: start this process. We are off the topic, so I
Speaker 1: would talking about that first page of Google results for
Speaker 1: Haxey therapy with the Amazon book you know when natural
Speaker 1: cures became illegal? Right below that is the website for
Speaker 1: a documentary Hoxy How Healing Becomes a Crime. And at
Speaker 1: the very bottom of the page, Billy Wayne Davis is
Speaker 1: a pdf on the Haxy treatment by Darcy Naturals, an
Speaker 1: herbal medicine focused clinic in Native Massachusetts. So the people
Speaker 1: at Darcy really fucking love them some Harry Haxey and
Speaker 1: they're right up includes a bio of him that I
Speaker 1: find fundamentally hysterical. Quote Hoxey and his formulas still enjoy
Speaker 1: popular appeal, even though they have suffered forty years of
Speaker 1: harsh attacks and the press relentless prosecutions in the courts.
Speaker 1: He was arrested more times than anyone in US medical history,
Speaker 1: a hundred times just in Dallas, and they're trying to
Speaker 1: make him out to be a good like everything they
Speaker 1: write about it makes him seem like a fucking gigantic fraud.
Speaker 1: More than a hundred times in Dallas, just in one
Speaker 1: just in the place he lived. They kept ending him
Speaker 1: for doing bad stuff. If you are white, you really
Speaker 1: got to work to get arrested in Dallas. I was
Speaker 1: that was gonna say. It was like I was a
Speaker 1: white dude, you guys. One of my good friends who listened,
Speaker 1: whose name will say starts with a J, had to
Speaker 1: be he was driving without like a license or registration
Speaker 1: for a very long period of time before he got busted.
Speaker 1: Like uh oh no, I think he just had tickets
Speaker 1: against him. I don't know. I think he did have
Speaker 1: a license. Well, if there was a period of like
Speaker 1: a year where every time I got in the car,
Speaker 1: it would be like if I could pulled over, I'm
Speaker 1: going to jail for two years. It didn't know I
Speaker 1: was doing it and driving around the country with suspended license,
Speaker 1: and then that that got pulled over a coplate this
Speaker 1: suspended ozen ship. Oh ship, yeah, you had to go
Speaker 1: to jail. Do you know that I did? Oh boy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not good. So the Darcy Natural's right up continues,
Speaker 1: persecution by government agencies public warning against toxic cancer treatment
Speaker 1: that the FDI ordered mounted in forty s u s
Speaker 1: Post offices, and of virulent personal vendetta mounted against him
Speaker 1: by the head of the American Medical Association Morris Fishing.
Speaker 1: They misspelled fish beings fishing fishing because these aren't serious people,
Speaker 1: you know, they're not details aren't super important in medicine. Now,
Speaker 1: they aren't wrong that Morris fish being had a vendetta
Speaker 1: against Hoxie. He had famously noted in nineteen sixty five,
Speaker 1: of all the ghouls who feed on the bodies of
Speaker 1: the dead and the dying, the cancer quacks are the
Speaker 1: most vicious and most heartless, which is a pretty fucking
Speaker 1: good quote. Now, you know who won't ghoulishly feed on
Speaker 1: the bodies of the dead and dying Cooke brothers. No,
Speaker 1: they would do that just for not even not even
Speaker 1: for food. Yeah, and for the erotic thrill um. Always
Speaker 1: forget about that part of it. Yeah, you know it's critical. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the products and services and support this podcast. It's an
Speaker 1: it's another ad break. We're back. So Darcy Naturals UM,
Speaker 1: the company that this PDF comes from, really ought to
Speaker 1: be looked into by somebody to see if they are
Speaker 1: breaking the law by providing Haxy's treatment. Because they definitely
Speaker 1: sell Haxy formula pills for thirty six per bottle. It
Speaker 1: is unclear to me as to whether or not this
Speaker 1: is technically fine um, because they're just selling herbal supplements
Speaker 1: to people that I don't know. Yeah, it's the same supplement, probably,
Speaker 1: like I'm guessing less toxic than most of the ship
Speaker 1: he used, because you get the feeling from him that
Speaker 1: sometimes his guys are is pouring ship in jars. Um. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if they're breaking the law or not.
Speaker 1: It would be cool if someone looked into that. Maybe
Speaker 1: somebody I know there's a lot of journalists who listened
Speaker 1: to the show. Here's a fun lead. Look in the
Speaker 1: Darcy Naturals and see if they's break in some laws. Um.
Speaker 1: The site is really entertaining reading though, and it somehow
Speaker 1: manages to make Harry Hawksy sound even shadier while trying
Speaker 1: to defend him. Quote, how did Harry in his formulas survive?
Speaker 1: Why weren't they extinguished? It's an amazing story full of
Speaker 1: Hollywood like intrigues. They survived by the most amazing truth
Speaker 1: of all, the testimony of healed patients. This was Hawxy's
Speaker 1: only defense at every trial and Senate committee meeting. He
Speaker 1: never lost one a m a quack trial or slander
Speaker 1: trial because of this moving, powerful defense from the experience
Speaker 1: of hundreds of cancer survivors. Note that they don't include
Speaker 1: all of the FDA trials he lost him Well, that's
Speaker 1: not important. Battle against the American medical establishment of the day.
Speaker 1: Not one cancer patient ever testified against him. Given to
Speaker 1: carrying wads of cash to be able to post bail
Speaker 1: at any times, his fortune coming from oil investments, his
Speaker 1: patients would gather at the jail in a show of support,
Speaker 1: Hastening is released. If I know one thing about someone
Speaker 1: who's not a criminal, it's that they always have bail
Speaker 1: money ready. Yeah, yeah, everyone I know it has bail
Speaker 1: money ready. It's like, yeah, all my friends that have
Speaker 1: bail money in their pocket it's because they're always just chilling.
Speaker 1: Every person I've ever had who informed me of the
Speaker 1: use of having I think it was like twenty the
Speaker 1: rumor at least going around. If you keep like twenty
Speaker 1: was like a twenty or forty dollars in your pocket
Speaker 1: if you get arrested in Dallas, then you can like
Speaker 1: pay to get bonded out right away or something. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I assumed it wasn't true. But everyone who
Speaker 1: told me that and kept forty bucks or whatever in
Speaker 1: their shoe was somebody who sold me drugs. Yes, real drugs,
Speaker 1: good drugs. Yes, they're legitimate people not in not in
Speaker 1: the upstanding world, but they are legitimate salesman. Yeah, yes
Speaker 1: they are. Yeah. So the right up from Darcy Natural's
Speaker 1: notes that senators, judges, lawyers, and some doctors endorsed his treatments.
Speaker 1: Three types of people who aren't doctors and a couple
Speaker 1: of doctors endorsed this. It's real medicine quote. Hoxy is
Speaker 1: larger than life personality, unfortunately fit the stereotypical image of
Speaker 1: a quack, coupled by it with a confrontational style, set
Speaker 1: him a head on to clash with the medical authorities.
Speaker 1: For decades. Yeah, yeah, it's great. It's so good the people,
Speaker 1: but it's hilarious because they're like, he's a quack. But yeah,
Speaker 1: people are being mean about it now. Hoxy was obviously
Speaker 1: not the first person to lie about being able to
Speaker 1: cure cancer, but you might call him the founding father
Speaker 1: of the fake cancer cure industry. He invented the way
Speaker 1: to sell it and the way to turn snake oil
Speaker 1: into more than just to get rich quick scheme. Before Haxy,
Speaker 1: grifters sold nonsense medicine. After Haxy, nonsense medicine was its
Speaker 1: own culture, a series of interlocking fake treatments, bogus medical philosophies,
Speaker 1: infringe newspapers, linked together by a couple of colorful figures,
Speaker 1: and a shared hatred of the mainstream medical establishment. Does
Speaker 1: that sound familiar at all to anybody? Yeah. In the
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, Latrille treatments became the vogue cancer cure among
Speaker 1: people who didn't actually want real cancer cures. And Latrille
Speaker 1: is usually marketed as vitamin B seventeen or amygdalin. What
Speaker 1: it really is is cyanide. It turns into cyanide in
Speaker 1: your body. It does not cure cancer. But the galaxy
Speaker 1: of clinics in Tijuana that had followed Haxey into me Pxico.
Speaker 1: We're happy to poison desperate Americans in exchange for piles
Speaker 1: of cash. In nineteen eighty, Steve McQueen died in Mexico
Speaker 1: taking La Trill treatments, and two thousand six, Coretta Scott
Speaker 1: King died from complications from ovarian cancer in a Rosarto clinic.
Speaker 1: Mexican officials shut down the Santa Monica Health Institute in
Speaker 1: the wake of this. Great name for a fake cancer
Speaker 1: clinic in Rosaritto, though, makes people think it's in California
Speaker 1: or in you know, the state of California. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: in general, though, I will say one of the positives
Speaker 1: of this episode is that the fake cancer clinic industry
Speaker 1: in Mexico is on a down swing. Nine eleven had
Speaker 1: a huge part to do with this. Before died eleven,
Speaker 1: traveling to Mexico was basically the same as driving to
Speaker 1: another state if you lived in like California or Arizona,
Speaker 1: and so people could just kind of like drive across
Speaker 1: the border and get treatment. Afterwards, it required a passport,
Speaker 1: which reduced at least the number of poor Americans who
Speaker 1: could blow their savings in Mexico on bogus medicine. I'm
Speaker 1: not generally in favor of this change, but this is
Speaker 1: one positive thing that it did. You know, it helped
Speaker 1: kill these clinics. Do you see George W. Bush taking credit? Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: I cut down. That's not racism. Yeah. I think you
Speaker 1: should be able to travel to Mexico for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: as long as Mexico's fine with it. But yeah, this
Speaker 1: it does make sense that this would reduce the number
Speaker 1: of poor people getting grifted by this. And hey, we
Speaker 1: didn't mean. We didn't mean for poor people to hold
Speaker 1: on to their money that one, We'll take it away,
Speaker 1: don't you worry. We don't get that money for poor
Speaker 1: people cold on the money longer than they need. Don't worry.
Speaker 1: Once then poor people get back from Iraq, we will
Speaker 1: take all the money we gave them. What don't you
Speaker 1: were We'll find a wayne. Yeah, that's investment. The Haxi
Speaker 1: clinic is still holding on though, And I ran across
Speaker 1: one two six article about some of its modern day
Speaker 1: patients and it's fucking heartbreaking. Quote for many of the
Speaker 1: journey to an alternative cancer clinic in Mexico, is their
Speaker 1: last hope. Some still wear bandages from a recent surgery,
Speaker 1: some are a week from chemotherapy or radiation, but others
Speaker 1: appear healthy. The result, they said, of unorthodox treatments that
Speaker 1: have struggled for decades to gain acceptance from the US
Speaker 1: healthcare industry. Every three months, Norberto Fanwell fifty seven and
Speaker 1: his wife Alice, fifty six, of Firmly, Nevada, drive to
Speaker 1: the border town of San Ya Cedro, California, staying at
Speaker 1: a Best Western hotel where they receive a discounted rate
Speaker 1: and a free shuttle to the cancer clinics across the border.
Speaker 1: They'll need that discounted rate because back in two thousand six,
Speaker 1: the Haxey treatment cost thirty dollars upfront, plus additional costs
Speaker 1: that ran up to five thousand dollars. This is more
Speaker 1: or less in line with the cost of treatment back
Speaker 1: in Harry Hawxy's day. So that's cool, just yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's a bummer. Fanwell in the article is convinced that,
Speaker 1: like the ultrasound shows his cancer shrunk, maybe he never
Speaker 1: had cancer, I don't know, or maybe he's dead. Now
Speaker 1: I have able to find any information on whether or
Speaker 1: not he's alive or what happened with his treatment? I
Speaker 1: hope he's okay. I hope yeah, he just seems like
Speaker 1: some poor guy who got conned. If there is one
Speaker 1: piece of good news about the current day status of
Speaker 1: the Haxey treatment, it's that the actual ingredients used in
Speaker 1: the Haxey treatment seemed to have stabilized. Today. There are
Speaker 1: Facebook pages in web forms where patients discussed the best
Speaker 1: ways to augment their Haxey treatment with diet or even
Speaker 1: administer the urbal ingredients for themselves. So while the actual
Speaker 1: original Haxey treatment was wildly inconsistent, today's batches are usually
Speaker 1: a predictable list of substances that said, they're not the
Speaker 1: kind of substances you necessarily want to just be fucking
Speaker 1: around with. Uh, here's what a right up. In the
Speaker 1: memorial Sloane Kettering Cancer, Sitter says about several of them.
Speaker 1: High levels of iodine from the potassium iodide can cause pimples,
Speaker 1: excessive secretion of the eyes, of nose, impotence, and inflammation
Speaker 1: of salivary glands. Buck Thorne, one of the ingredients in
Speaker 1: the herbal tonic, is a violent laxative and can cause
Speaker 1: abdominal pain, anxiety, decreased respirations, diarrhea, nausea, trembling, and vomiting. Cascara,
Speaker 1: one of the ingredients in the herbal tonic, is a
Speaker 1: laxative and can cause abdominal pain, crampic diarrhea, discoloration of urine,
Speaker 1: electrine and balance, softening of the bones, fatten the feezs,
Speaker 1: vitamin and mineral deficiencies, and vomiting. Whoa poke weed, one
Speaker 1: of the ingredients in the herbal tonic, causes nausea, vomiting, diarrhea,
Speaker 1: and abdominal cramps. Ingestion has been associated with illnesses requiring
Speaker 1: hospitalization and has caused deaths and children. Ship my insides out,
Speaker 1: that's what that means. It's working. Face. No, I'm yourself
Speaker 1: to better health with the Haxy treat I can see
Speaker 1: my heartbeating in the toilet. That's what you get. Unbelievable,
Speaker 1: great stuff. Billy. Yes, you feel like you might have
Speaker 1: some cancer after all this. I mean yeah, every time
Speaker 1: anyone says it, I'm always like probably, yeah, probably. Well
Speaker 1: you all heard it here. The haxy treatment is the flawless,
Speaker 1: unproblematic way to treat your illness. It's just thoroughly endorse it.
Speaker 1: It's just an industry that you don't even think about,
Speaker 1: because if you start to think about it, first, you
Speaker 1: understand why how easily people can be conned, because it's
Speaker 1: the most desperate part of their whole existence is they're
Speaker 1: just trying to extend their life and the and everywhere
Speaker 1: they go that's reputable. It's like, I'm sorry, there's nothing
Speaker 1: we can do. It's like this, yeah, that'll be a
Speaker 1: million dollars. Yeah, we don't know, we will need half
Speaker 1: of the money you've earned in your entire life, because
Speaker 1: we told like, yeah, it's so much of this is
Speaker 1: wrapped up in I am legitimately. I mean, like obviously,
Speaker 1: like we're going to do an episode about Black salve
Speaker 1: Um in the very near future, which is very much
Speaker 1: a descendant of all this, but like two of the
Speaker 1: places where it's most commonly used your Australia in the UK.
Speaker 1: So obviously the entirety of the solution is not Medicare
Speaker 1: for all their socialized medicine or whatever. But I do
Speaker 1: think it helps. Yeah, no, it's yeah, yeah, damn good luck. Everybody.
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Speaker 1: Year Ever. Uh, did I do it? You did it.
Speaker 1: You did a perfect job, Sophie, better a job. I
Speaker 1: am very excited about us transitioning away from me doing
Speaker 1: this at all and just collecting a paycheck while you
Speaker 1: do the podcast. Maybe you are a team Bloomberg. Alright.
Speaker 1: Episode over,