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Speaker 1: to Software Radio on Target on time. We're big Phil Campion,
Speaker 1: and yes I'm away, I'm abroad and I'm lockdown. Well
Speaker 1: where am I lockdown? I can tell you now. I
Speaker 1: got out of the UK on the day that Spain Lockdown.
Speaker 1: I landed in Spain and I went down to my
Speaker 1: place in a place called al Hern, which is in
Speaker 1: the very south of Spain, near the coast, and there
Speaker 1: I've remained in lockdown since since before the twentieth of March,
Speaker 1: so we've been lockdown for quite some time here. So
Speaker 1: I thought what I'd do this this this this show,
Speaker 1: particularly because I'm been able to get to interview anybody,
Speaker 1: and obviously you know we're in isolation here. I'm not
Speaker 1: a priority by any stretch of the imagination to be
Speaker 1: going out to do anything. So I thought I'd explained
Speaker 1: to you how life is in Spain, what we've been
Speaker 1: doing here, and then we'll have a chat about the
Speaker 1: UK and then we'll just see where we go from there.
Speaker 1: Because these are interesting times for all of us, they
Speaker 1: really are. It's it's an extremely difficult and challenging thing.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, even in all my time
Speaker 1: in the forces, all my time marauding around the world's hotspots,
Speaker 1: this has probably proved to be one of the most
Speaker 1: difficult things I've ever seen. So let's have a let's
Speaker 1: have a quick chat. Then, as I spid to you,
Speaker 1: I'm in a place called al Hurn al Grande, which
Speaker 1: is in southern Spain. It's near a place called ma
Speaker 1: Baya and Malaga, Okay, which are both on the coast.
Speaker 1: I'm slightly up in the mountains. Now, Spain as a
Speaker 1: holden is the worst hit European country at the moment.
Speaker 1: I think we've overtaken Italy, who were in the original
Speaker 1: phases of this, they were the worst hit. But I
Speaker 1: think we've overtaken them. Now. We've had over a hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy seven thousand cases in Spain eighteen as in
Speaker 1: plus deaths okay, and there's still even now thousands over
Speaker 1: active cases in Spain. It's a lot of people, a
Speaker 1: lot of hardship. Okay. Now, let's quickly talk about how
Speaker 1: quickly that escalated. Basically on about the four teenth of March,
Speaker 1: people were talking about it here. It was looking quite serious,
Speaker 1: and within within an hour or so of me getting
Speaker 1: back off my flight. They were announcing the helicopters just
Speaker 1: going over to us, the first one saying mount ear
Speaker 1: for a bit. They were announcing that they were going
Speaker 1: to lock everybody down, and I first didn't really know
Speaker 1: what that was going to mean. Surely, surely they couldn't
Speaker 1: don't house arrest everybody, which is effectively what's been happening
Speaker 1: to me now. So what were the rules in it? Well,
Speaker 1: the rules were simple, stay in. If you want to
Speaker 1: go out, you can go to the dent the dentist,
Speaker 1: the doctors, or for vital shopping. And vital shopping only
Speaker 1: includes food, so food shopping was the only sort of
Speaker 1: shopping you were going to be able to do. Other
Speaker 1: than that, you couldn't travel in the car of anybody else.
Speaker 1: You had to be on your own. You weren't allowed
Speaker 1: how to exercise. If you had a dog and you
Speaker 1: lived in a flat or a condo, that had to
Speaker 1: you had to take it within twenty literally, let it
Speaker 1: do its business, bring it back in again. We were
Speaker 1: completely and still are completely locked down. Okay, And when
Speaker 1: I look around that so many other people's interpretation of lockdown.
Speaker 1: When I look at the UK in particular, where people
Speaker 1: flaunt the rules left, right and center and they're still
Speaker 1: allowed out to go to the parks and exercise and
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. We really have had it
Speaker 1: at the other end of the scale here, we've had proper,
Speaker 1: full on, hardcore lockdown. Okay, that has meant lockdown. Now,
Speaker 1: if you don't believe me, you get onto you get
Speaker 1: onto Google and google the Spanish police and how they've
Speaker 1: dealt with people who've broken the rules here. They've locked
Speaker 1: them up, They've heavily find them, they've been corralled and
Speaker 1: beating with sticks. It really has been what I would
Speaker 1: describe as almost martial law. It is not martial law.
Speaker 1: It's for our own good that we are, you know,
Speaker 1: not being allowed out. Now, the counter to all these
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories that I'm hearing, you know, five genus and
Speaker 1: they've done it for that and China have done it
Speaker 1: on purpose. To me, all that stuff comes second. All right,
Speaker 1: What is the fact for me at the moment is
Speaker 1: that we're on lockdown and we have to adhere to
Speaker 1: what we're being told for the good and benett of
Speaker 1: everybody else. Now, another attitude that people have had as well,
Speaker 1: I'm not likely to get it. I'm too young, I'm
Speaker 1: too fit. This thing has been taking anybody and be
Speaker 1: you know, even if you don't get it, or even
Speaker 1: if you do get it and get better from it,
Speaker 1: you're taking up the time of the professionals that are
Speaker 1: being paid to try and curb this thing, for as
Speaker 1: health services and all those of people. You know, you're
Speaker 1: taking their time, her best. At worst, you're passing the
Speaker 1: disease to somebody who's not going to get through and
Speaker 1: live the other side. So it's not been good. Some
Speaker 1: of the stuff I've seen over here, you know, of
Speaker 1: people fly out in the rules, and there were a
Speaker 1: few to start off with, and that's why the police
Speaker 1: had to get so tough. They're just starting to to
Speaker 1: to think about relaxing measures here. Non essential workers went
Speaker 1: to work this week for the first time that said
Speaker 1: that was only building site workers and gardeners and people
Speaker 1: that clean pools and that sort of stuff. It wasn't
Speaker 1: there's no shops open, there's nothing going on. That's all
Speaker 1: over here at the moment, and for the foreseeable future,
Speaker 1: we really don't know when any of that sort of
Speaker 1: stuff will come into play again because it's it's like
Speaker 1: I say, it's a it's an extremely tough one. So
Speaker 1: that said, what have I been doing, Well, I've been
Speaker 1: doing a little bit. I don't have a lot of
Speaker 1: space here. I have a I have a townhouse with
Speaker 1: a very small garden in a very small roof terrace,
Speaker 1: and so my activities have been eating, sleeping, loads and
Speaker 1: loads of stuff online. I've done loads of stuff online
Speaker 1: and if you look at my social media, it's full
Speaker 1: of stuff that I've been learning how to do. I've
Speaker 1: been learning to edit, I've been doing this. I've been
Speaker 1: doing that. I've been putting stuff on online for the
Speaker 1: Army Cadet Force, running various competitions and all that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. But the harsh reality of it for me
Speaker 1: is I'm not earning either. You know, there's no work
Speaker 1: for me at the moment, and I'm in a similar
Speaker 1: position to millions of people around the world who are
Speaker 1: going to be infected by this in a financial term.
Speaker 1: I think, when I look at it, if it was
Speaker 1: just me who was going to be affected by this,
Speaker 1: then you know, I'd be feeling pretty hard done by.
Speaker 1: But when we look around is everybody is going to
Speaker 1: get some everybody is going to be put in a
Speaker 1: position when they're pushed and pressed and have to make
Speaker 1: things go further than that what probably would we would
Speaker 1: do normally. Now they're gonna have to make make the
Speaker 1: best of a bad job. When we come out on
Speaker 1: the other side of this, what we who need to
Speaker 1: do is make sure that we look after the people
Speaker 1: around us. We keep in touch with our loved ones,
Speaker 1: we keep in touch with people who are vulnerable, and
Speaker 1: we try and help anybody where and wherever we can,
Speaker 1: because there's always and I've looked around a lot now,
Speaker 1: you've had a lot of time on your hands, which
Speaker 1: is a commodity I don't normally get a lot of
Speaker 1: but you look around and there's always, always, always somebody
Speaker 1: who is worse off than you are. I mean, in
Speaker 1: the UK our Prime Minister Boris Johnson, he's been to
Speaker 1: the edge. He's been to the edge and back. He's
Speaker 1: been in intensive care. I heard he was on a ventilator,
Speaker 1: he was certainly on oxygen. You know, he's been looked after.
Speaker 1: And no matter what your political sway is in the UK,
Speaker 1: whether you like him or you don't like him, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't wish this disease on anybody. I really wouldn't. It
Speaker 1: looks increasingly, you know, like anybody can get this, which
Speaker 1: we know they can. So it's been very, very verily challenging.
Speaker 1: And they see your own Prime Minister on the television
Speaker 1: one day saying he felt a bit sick and then
Speaker 1: in intensive care within a very short period of time.
Speaker 1: It just highlighted to everybody how does how this thing
Speaker 1: can take off very very quickly. So I don't want
Speaker 1: to bang on completely just about coronavirus, but that's where
Speaker 1: I stand on it. Like I say, I'm in Spain,
Speaker 1: I'm lockdown. If I was in the UK, i'd be
Speaker 1: Sami lockdown if I was in the States. Right now,
Speaker 1: you guys are locked down as well. There's not a
Speaker 1: person on this planet at the moment who is not
Speaker 1: going to affect. And you know, I hope, I really
Speaker 1: hope that we all get through this. Obviously, we're going
Speaker 1: to take some hits along the way. In any conflict,
Speaker 1: you'll take hits along the way. I view this as
Speaker 1: a conflict. I view our nurses and doctors and our
Speaker 1: health workers are on the front line of this conflict.
Speaker 1: You know, they're they're extremely brave people. Some of these
Speaker 1: they're going to work, they know that they might contract
Speaker 1: the disease themselves, and though they might not survive the disease,
Speaker 1: and so you know they are They are the soldiers,
Speaker 1: they are the warriors, They are the ones on the
Speaker 1: front line. They are the ones producing the goods at
Speaker 1: the moment, and all we can do is sit back
Speaker 1: and watch and hopefully, you know, this will pass. If
Speaker 1: there is an opportunity whereby I can make a difference
Speaker 1: for somebody and help the numbers, there will. But until then,
Speaker 1: the best thing I can do to help is keep
Speaker 1: myself out of the way, listen to what's going on
Speaker 1: around me, and adhere to the rules that are being
Speaker 1: put on on onto me, and not make a hindrance
Speaker 1: of myself, so that we basically stand the best chance
Speaker 1: of getting through this without me passing on to somebody
Speaker 1: else if I had it. So there we go. That's
Speaker 1: that's I didn't want to. I didn't want to linger
Speaker 1: on the coronavirus. We've talked about it for a good
Speaker 1: ten minutes now, and I'm going to put it to bed. There.
Speaker 1: That's all I really want to talk about today. I
Speaker 1: want to look forward to coming out the other side
Speaker 1: of this, And we were talking about this, me and Wendy.
Speaker 1: It's a good job I get on with my partner,
Speaker 1: by the way, because we've been locked down now for
Speaker 1: quite some type together, the longest I think I've ever
Speaker 1: been at home, and I was chatting and ended every day,
Speaker 1: and I said, the other end of this, the other
Speaker 1: side of this, what's it going to be like? Are
Speaker 1: you going to go running out the door when they
Speaker 1: say you can finally go out? Are you're gonna be
Speaker 1: a bit too meaty? You're going to go well? Because
Speaker 1: I'm half expecting for them to say, right, okay, lockdowns
Speaker 1: up over and people are going to go back out,
Speaker 1: And then I think there might be another another pop
Speaker 1: at this. I think there might be another sort of
Speaker 1: like flare up where I think we might even get
Speaker 1: lockdown again. So I certainly might be running into the
Speaker 1: first bar and jumping around and carrying people on my
Speaker 1: shoulders and singing and drinking and yelling in yup yar.
Speaker 1: And because I think that would be responsible, I think
Speaker 1: we've got to accept that we've got to be very
Speaker 1: careful when we come out of the other side of this,
Speaker 1: because we don't know who's got it and who hasn't
Speaker 1: got it, and there's not enough medical stuff post this
Speaker 1: that we know about at the moment. That gives me
Speaker 1: a lot of confidence. To be honest, I said I
Speaker 1: wasn't to talk about it, and I carried on there.
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Speaker 1: a little bit of chat about West Africa goes off
Speaker 1: a completely challenged attack. I spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: in West Africa, did some various jobs they will to
Speaker 1: the God Bun in places like Guinea and Marley Coat
Speaker 1: of Woir. I worked up and down on the anti
Speaker 1: paracy side of things, Togo, Nigeria, and of course I
Speaker 1: served in Sierra Leone, where I was part of the
Speaker 1: hostage rescue mission way back in two thousands, which is
Speaker 1: actually twenty years ago this year. But the reason I
Speaker 1: wanted to go to West Africa was one story of
Speaker 1: what I tell you today about Togo and Togo lovely
Speaker 1: placed um, beautiful beaches, great coastline, all the attributes of
Speaker 1: a West African country, but completely unstable. And what we
Speaker 1: would find in West Africa would be that some countries
Speaker 1: would be stable for a period and then the neighboring
Speaker 1: countries would be arguing with each other that it would
Speaker 1: all spill out into a full on war, and then
Speaker 1: you'd get a displacement of people. They'd move into the
Speaker 1: next country, then they start arguing. The whole thing would
Speaker 1: go round and round and round, basically by a displacement
Speaker 1: of people caused by agro in flaming countries that would
Speaker 1: probably have stayed peaceful for years. So that's how it
Speaker 1: went in West Africa. And I certainly you know, when
Speaker 1: I first went to Marley, Marley was peaceful, but that's
Speaker 1: now in tatters. Places like Guinea had had loads and
Speaker 1: loads of that. They had a sort of almost a
Speaker 1: coup in Guinea just before I got there. So it's
Speaker 1: a very very volatile place West Africa, and I thought
Speaker 1: i'd just share with you a story when you're when
Speaker 1: you're traveling through these places as a white man, you
Speaker 1: have to be very, very careful because the place has
Speaker 1: been flooded over the years with people trying to topple
Speaker 1: various governments, and especially places like South Africa, a lot
Speaker 1: of the soldiers from there who needed to earn decent
Speaker 1: money would disappear up in the West Africa and take
Speaker 1: part in all sorts of coups. So when you were
Speaker 1: sort of like in the at firsties to forties, a
Speaker 1: male white traveling through West Africa, sometimes I was on
Speaker 1: your own and I was on the on the story,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, I was traveling on my own.
Speaker 1: It's a fair assumption to the authorities that you could
Speaker 1: be a paramilitary type, and especially my appearance. I've never
Speaker 1: been had shaped my appearance. You know, I'm a fairly
Speaker 1: big lad. You know I've got short hair. I fit
Speaker 1: the description of a mercenary straightaway. So I draw the
Speaker 1: attention of the authorities. Every time I go into a
Speaker 1: West African country, I'll attract some sort of attention, and
Speaker 1: certainly in places are Guinea, I even got followed and
Speaker 1: tailed and all sorts of stuff, and it was quite
Speaker 1: it was quite obvious that they wanted to know my whereabouts.
Speaker 1: And very often I would travel and say the people,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a I'm health and safety or I'm
Speaker 1: a consultant for the rig. I'd never ever ever used
Speaker 1: the word security, because as soon as you tire yourself
Speaker 1: into the security world, it's like it's like putting a
Speaker 1: magnet on your head to pull in as much trouble
Speaker 1: as you ever could. So I never used to do that.
Speaker 1: Whenever I was in West Africa, I was always a
Speaker 1: health and safety consultant. Where I was a consultant full stop,
Speaker 1: or there was always some reason for me to be
Speaker 1: there other than security. However, every time I was there
Speaker 1: it was to do with security, and Togo was no
Speaker 1: was no exception. I went to Togo. I was supposed
Speaker 1: to be joining a ship. Now Togo has got a
Speaker 1: massive coastline and we were going to be getting on
Speaker 1: a ship, and I was going to be going with
Speaker 1: four other people from Togo as my escorts and escorting
Speaker 1: the ship. And that's how it was out there. You'd
Speaker 1: have a you have an expat. I flew in the
Speaker 1: Lone Airport, which is a capital of Togo. Before I
Speaker 1: had left from London, I've been asked if I could
Speaker 1: undergo an anti piracy tasking which was to be taking
Speaker 1: four local lads onto a ship. They would be armed,
Speaker 1: I'd be unarmed. However, I was allowed to take body armor, helmet, etcetera, etcetera. Now,
Speaker 1: before I left, the company in the UK assured me
Speaker 1: that I had all the right credentials and paperwork for
Speaker 1: this body armor, because traveling into a West African country
Speaker 1: with body armor presents you with massive challenges if you
Speaker 1: don't have the right paperwork. So I sat down with
Speaker 1: the office in the afternoon in London when for all
Speaker 1: the paperwork went for all the all the gear that
Speaker 1: they wanted me to take with me. There were some
Speaker 1: binoculars there, there was some GPS stuff, There was a
Speaker 1: satellite phone, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, all the normal stuff that
Speaker 1: you would expect to take on an anti piracy task,
Speaker 1: except weapons which were being supplied and used by these
Speaker 1: local guys in Toga. Not a problem. I didn't have
Speaker 1: a drama, that's whatsoever. The shipping company I was going
Speaker 1: to be working for, for a Swedish shipping company. I've
Speaker 1: worked with them before. There was no real drama. We
Speaker 1: were literally going to be dropping some fuel off somewhere,
Speaker 1: probably down in Nigeria, coming back out again. I'd get
Speaker 1: off and the thing would disappear. Fine, happy with that,
Speaker 1: What a great trip. Okay. It was good money in
Speaker 1: them days as well. Okay. I was eLearning, you know,
Speaker 1: circle five, six, seven hundred dollars a day sometimes, So
Speaker 1: it was all right. So without further ado without questioning anybody.
Speaker 1: I jumped on a flight down to low. When I
Speaker 1: got to Loan, I remember getting off the plane, got
Speaker 1: through customs, all right, got not through customs. I got
Speaker 1: through the passport control. Okay, a bit of a cue,
Speaker 1: but it normally is in a West African country. You've
Speaker 1: got a cue there. Didn't really put any third party attention.
Speaker 1: That fares weren't really interested in me. You know, a
Speaker 1: quick look up and down. Are you on your own? Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm on my own. It wasn't a problem. Things were
Speaker 1: going swimming lee. I thought, this is awesome. It's going
Speaker 1: to be caught, not going to get through the other side.
Speaker 1: I've got all the paperwork, everything's correct. As we came out,
Speaker 1: I've got my bags. They came straight around the conveyor belt.
Speaker 1: Not a problem there. So the bags were there, got
Speaker 1: the bags not go trolley and started pushing them out
Speaker 1: towards the towards the green channel. Nothing to declare now
Speaker 1: in Togo at the time, and I probably would imagine
Speaker 1: still now, it wasn't a case that you just walked through.
Speaker 1: Every bag was put through a scanner. So as I
Speaker 1: got to go through the green channel, I got called
Speaker 1: to one side, and my bags were taken off me
Speaker 1: and put onto the onto the conveyor belt and they
Speaker 1: were through the through the X ray machine. I didn't
Speaker 1: have a problem with that. This is when things started
Speaker 1: to change. I saw the guy who was watching the
Speaker 1: television monitor stop the monitor and pull the first bag
Speaker 1: back through into the machine, and I'm like, why is
Speaker 1: he doing that? I look in and he looks at me.
Speaker 1: He sends it through again. He's not happy. It stops
Speaker 1: on the other side, and as I got to pick
Speaker 1: it up, no, no, sir, leave it there. Then the
Speaker 1: other one goes through again. Scrutiny. They're both through. Now
Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to pick up either of my bags.
Speaker 1: They ask me what I'm doing, and I tell them
Speaker 1: I say, I'm I'm working as health and safety on
Speaker 1: a ship and I'll be staying in a hotel near
Speaker 1: Loan and getting on the ship tomorrow. And here's my paperwork,
Speaker 1: and all my paperwork I had on me backed it
Speaker 1: all up. Okay, sir, why do you need these equipments
Speaker 1: in here? And they pointed out straight away. They opened
Speaker 1: the bag they're in. There's body armor, there's a helmet,
Speaker 1: there's the GPS stuff. There's buyos. Why do you need
Speaker 1: all this gear? When I say, you know we you
Speaker 1: know you ex variance piracy on your coast here, I've
Speaker 1: never you know, up and asked if I can wear
Speaker 1: this stuff while I'm on board, and as a health
Speaker 1: and safety representative, it's best if I wear the protective
Speaker 1: clothing I've been issued, and I put that, I'll bring
Speaker 1: out the paperwork and I'll give them the paperwork. About
Speaker 1: five minutes into reading the paperwork, which I thought was
Speaker 1: an extraordinary long time, the guy says, this is no good.
Speaker 1: And now there's two or three other people in the
Speaker 1: background who stepped forward in in uniform, in police uniform,
Speaker 1: and they're all arguing. They're pulling the kit about, they're
Speaker 1: getting it out, they're looking at it, they're staring at it,
Speaker 1: they're pulling it around, they're they're always it's like they're
Speaker 1: sizing up who's going to keep it. And then a
Speaker 1: guy with a suit comes along. And as soon as
Speaker 1: you've got over the soup comes along. You know you're
Speaker 1: in the ship, all right. So he says to me,
Speaker 1: he says, are you a mercenary? Straight up like that?
Speaker 1: Are you a mercenary? No? No, I'm not a mercenary.
Speaker 1: I'm health and safety. I'm going to work on a
Speaker 1: ship which is going to Nigeria from here and we
Speaker 1: fear there may be pirates on there, and I'm there
Speaker 1: to make sure that the health and safety is in
Speaker 1: place and we have security from your country. So you're
Speaker 1: a security guard. No, I'm not a security I'm health
Speaker 1: and safety. Why do you have body armor? Because I
Speaker 1: need body armor. You can see the conversation going round
Speaker 1: and round and round and round. It was horrendous. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Eventually they stay to me, you won't be going on
Speaker 1: the ship se They take me out, take me away
Speaker 1: and put me in the back of a van. I think, no,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get arrested here. So in my pocket,
Speaker 1: I've got my satellite phone, one of my satphones, one
Speaker 1: of the old garments with the big arm on the
Speaker 1: side of antenna. I'm want it straight away back to
Speaker 1: the office. They stopped me from making the phone call.
Speaker 1: They take the phone from me and they put me
Speaker 1: in the back of his fan and they drive me out,
Speaker 1: not far from the airport. But I can't really guess
Speaker 1: where I'm going. And it must have been another another another,
Speaker 1: another police station somewhere. I can't really remember the way
Speaker 1: that much because I was in the back of his fan.
Speaker 1: I couldn't really see anything out. And when I got
Speaker 1: to the other and they pulled me straight out and
Speaker 1: there was a container, a shipping container, and they put
Speaker 1: me in this shipping container. Now, I can tell you now,
Speaker 1: but in some stinking places in my life, but this
Speaker 1: shipping container was one of the stinkiest places I've ever been.
Speaker 1: They get in this shipping container and the only window
Speaker 1: in there is about knee height, and it's not really
Speaker 1: a nit window. It's just a whole cutting the metal
Speaker 1: with bars across it, so you can't get out of it.
Speaker 1: And it's only a tiny I could only if I
Speaker 1: could only have got my head out of it, if
Speaker 1: I could get anything out of it. So there's no
Speaker 1: chance I'm going to escape from this thing, and they
Speaker 1: just leave me in there. Now, I can tell you now,
Speaker 1: Togo isn't a cold place. It's proper hot. And god
Speaker 1: knows how many other people must have been kept in
Speaker 1: this thing before me, or how long I had even
Speaker 1: been there. I didn't know it was stinking. People must
Speaker 1: have been urinating in it, defecating in it, sicking in it,
Speaker 1: you name it. It was probably one of the most
Speaker 1: unhealthiest places I've ever been on this planet. Anyway. I've
Speaker 1: been there for what seems like ages, and then I'm
Speaker 1: brought out. I'm taking into a building which is next
Speaker 1: door to it, into a table wood as a guy
Speaker 1: sat beyond a desk who starts interrogating me again as
Speaker 1: to what I'm doing in the country, why am I here?
Speaker 1: And I have to make a series of phone calls
Speaker 1: between them the office back in London. It's all done
Speaker 1: on my stat phone. They've got no phone capability whatsoever,
Speaker 1: so all this stuff I'm trying to justify has all
Speaker 1: been done on phone. Eventually, when we've didn't been in
Speaker 1: there for about another half hour, they sent me back
Speaker 1: out again. This happened two or three times, and I
Speaker 1: went back to the container, out the container, in the container,
Speaker 1: out the container. Sometimes they would question me and the container.
Speaker 1: I was getting really fed up of it and no food,
Speaker 1: no water, no nothing, And eventually they come and get
Speaker 1: me out. They dragged me off up into the office
Speaker 1: again and I get told that I won't be getting
Speaker 1: on a ship and that I'm going to be held
Speaker 1: under arrest in a hotel. So they take me out
Speaker 1: of this hotel. First, all I did when I got there,
Speaker 1: I went to the room and there's a policeman stood
Speaker 1: outsid'll be room. It was horrendous. I could only have
Speaker 1: room service come to the room, so it was a limited,
Speaker 1: limited choice of food. It wasn't a great hotel. Else,
Speaker 1: I knew the room service wasn't gonna be any better.
Speaker 1: And I had some sort of rice and curry type
Speaker 1: thing with some French bread. The French bread, actually, to
Speaker 1: be fair, it was quite nice, but everything else was
Speaker 1: pretty stinking. And I remember I was then kept there
Speaker 1: for another couple of days before they put me on
Speaker 1: another flight and sent me back to the UK. Then
Speaker 1: when I got back to the UK, I found up
Speaker 1: the guy that had been working for and uh, he said,
Speaker 1: because I hadn't done the because I hadn't done the transit,
Speaker 1: it wasn't paying me for it either. You can imagine
Speaker 1: my face. Absolutely no chance on earth was I not
Speaker 1: being paid for this job. I remember either all the
Speaker 1: phone calls with him arguing with his fellow, and eventually
Speaker 1: I managed to get paid, but only before I threatened
Speaker 1: to take a trip up to London and go and
Speaker 1: visit him in person. But I got paid, So that
Speaker 1: was that was one of my West African experiences. I thought.
Speaker 1: I shared that with you just to just to let
Speaker 1: you know that it's not the first time big Field's
Speaker 1: been in lockdown before, even though hotel lockdown in Togo
Speaker 1: was probably worse than the than the house arrest I'm
Speaker 1: in at the moment in Spain. But there you go.
Speaker 1: Certainly was there's nothing here that compares with the container
Speaker 1: that I was putting because that was absolutely full on,
Speaker 1: proper stinking. It was honking, it really was. I'll give
Speaker 1: you some more stories from West Africa next time. I'm
Speaker 1: on some cracking ones from Guinea and that really have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: West Africa proper place to be. But there you go,
Speaker 1: more of that next time. Okay, let's just wrap us
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