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Speaker 1: Hello again, Welcome back to SOFTWAREP Radio. I'm your host today,
Speaker 1: Steve Blastari joining me today. We have a very special
Speaker 1: guest already on the line with us, Mike Browrier, who
Speaker 1: is running for office in the state of Kentucky and folks,
Speaker 1: he's he picked a tough one because he's going against
Speaker 1: a political machine. As we all know, he's running against
Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell. So we're gonna talk about that. We'll get
Speaker 1: into that and just a little bit, but first we
Speaker 1: want to welcome Mike to the podcast, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about his Marine Corps background because
Speaker 1: he was a Marine Corps colonel and we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about all of that. So Mike, welcome very much. You're
Speaker 1: welcome here. Thank you for coming on with us. We
Speaker 1: hope your family is doing well with all this coronavirus
Speaker 1: stuff that's going around in the world today. Well, hey, Steve, thanks,
Speaker 1: first of all, thanks so much for having me. Quick correct,
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Colonel, I just don't wanna give anyone idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: retired lieutenant colonel married to a retired Marine major. Her
Speaker 1: dad it was a marine. My dad's a marine. Kind
Speaker 1: of a family sickness. So, uh, that's good though, It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, it runs in the family. And
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for giving you that extra promotion up to
Speaker 1: oh six, although it probably would have been nice to
Speaker 1: get that in the retirement check. Absolutely, that would have
Speaker 1: been fine. I'd take that if you can. If you
Speaker 1: could work on that, Steve, that would be great. You know,
Speaker 1: I did an interview not too long ago with Lee Steinberg,
Speaker 1: the sports agent, and you know, he was talking about
Speaker 1: how he works deals for guys, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I should have had you at my retirement board, and
Speaker 1: he goes, oh, I could have got you more money. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about your Marine Corps experience.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a lieutenant colonel, you worked your way
Speaker 1: all the way up through the ranks, and uh, what
Speaker 1: was your favorite time. A lot of military officers they
Speaker 1: talked about when they were a company commander because they
Speaker 1: think that was the time they were most influenced by
Speaker 1: the troops. But did you have a specific time that
Speaker 1: you really enjoyed the most. Being a captain was the best.
Speaker 1: And you know the RINC Corps, you spend a long
Speaker 1: time as a captain, which you know, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think from promotion, but it's the best, it's the best time.
Speaker 1: And during that time, you know, I'm an artillery guy.
Speaker 1: So during that time, for the most part, I was
Speaker 1: stationed in twenty nine Palms in the Hobby, so a
Speaker 1: lot of shooting obviously, I mean, it's a great place
Speaker 1: to be a tanker or a tracker or artillery guy.
Speaker 1: But also during that time, my battalion went to mogadissue
Speaker 1: nine three for Restore Hope as a provisional rifle battalion,
Speaker 1: So we left our canons behind and hit the streets
Speaker 1: of mogadissue December of ninety two. So definitely the most
Speaker 1: transformative experience in the best time. But it's funny you
Speaker 1: mentioned that people look back when I was working on
Speaker 1: the staff in Korea. We had when I was ineutenant
Speaker 1: colonel in two thousand thousand two. We have lots of
Speaker 1: general officers come through, and I found that the easiest
Speaker 1: way to distract him was to throw out a couple
Speaker 1: one to fifty thousand maps and immediately they would revert
Speaker 1: captain days. So if you if you want to distract him,
Speaker 1: just throw a couple of maps around. The next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, they'd have out protractors and things like that.
Speaker 1: That's great and in fact that you're talking about a
Speaker 1: small world. One of my good friends from the state
Speaker 1: of New Hampshire was in Mogadishu at the same time
Speaker 1: with the Marine Corps, so he might have served under you.
Speaker 1: That's great. I mean that was a rough time at
Speaker 1: that time when all that was going on, and you know,
Speaker 1: then a couple of months later we lost some good
Speaker 1: folks over there in the mogen uh. You know, one
Speaker 1: of my good friends was one of those guys that
Speaker 1: got killed on that October afternoon there. But you know,
Speaker 1: moving on, you retired from the Marines and you became
Speaker 1: a gentleman farm Tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 1: There's nothing too gentlemanly about it. But yeah, my wife,
Speaker 1: my wife and I met. We're both on active duty.
Speaker 1: You know, how you do what you do. You compare
Speaker 1: the book collection and record collection and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and I found out we both had an interest in
Speaker 1: agricultural culture. So when I retired in two thousand five,
Speaker 1: she switched to the reserves, kind of gave up her
Speaker 1: you know, gave up her active career for us to
Speaker 1: come out here and be farmers. And we just kind
Speaker 1: of no prior experience. Uh and you'll you can probably
Speaker 1: spot a trend here, but no prior experience. And we
Speaker 1: just one day we were active duty and we packed
Speaker 1: up the truck and uh, someone called it the reverse
Speaker 1: grapes of wrath, leaving Kentucky or leaving in California and
Speaker 1: driving with the truck full of critters the Kentucky to
Speaker 1: start farming. So uh, yeah, we tried a bunch of
Speaker 1: stuff and we you know, we run a sustainable farm.
Speaker 1: So you got your chickens and pigs and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and some beef cattle, but uh, we have all naturals,
Speaker 1: baragers operations, and it is in uh right now. And
Speaker 1: credit to my wife, she found out that it grows
Speaker 1: here and no one was selling it, and so we,
Speaker 1: uh we feed the farm to table restaurants and farmers
Speaker 1: markets and things like that in the Lexing, Kentucky area.
Speaker 1: You're from Kentucky originally or no, no, no, no, not
Speaker 1: at all. I was born in Wisconsin. But we were
Speaker 1: always on the move. You know, well you know how
Speaker 1: it is an ultar families. But New York, New Jersey,
Speaker 1: and then Virginia, North Carolina, Oklahoma, two trips out to
Speaker 1: Fort Sill, a couple of trips to California, so and
Speaker 1: then all the overseas stuff. So basically lived all over
Speaker 1: and it kind of matters. You know, people in Kentucky
Speaker 1: when I was running, when the last year twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: we had a gubernatorial race and I used to campaign secretary,
Speaker 1: and he used to put his hand on my shoulder,
Speaker 1: always talking and talk about not eating carpet baggers in Kentucky,
Speaker 1: and the whole time he'd be squeezed my shoulder, knowing
Speaker 1: how deep under my skin that was. But what you know,
Speaker 1: what I tell people here is that when me and
Speaker 1: my wife retired the first time in our lives we
Speaker 1: ever got to take a place to live, we pa Kentucky.
Speaker 1: So that should mean something. There you go, And I
Speaker 1: know from reading some of your bio you also ran
Speaker 1: a weekly newspaper for a short time farm. It isn't
Speaker 1: a cheap, isn't it? Old joke around here is how
Speaker 1: do you make bucks farming? And it's start with two million.
Speaker 1: Most farmers farm because it's their passion, and despite being retired,
Speaker 1: we still need cash coming in. So uh I had
Speaker 1: a wrote a strongly worded letter to the editor one
Speaker 1: time and he appreciated my youth to the Semicolon, and
Speaker 1: it called me up and said, hey, you want to
Speaker 1: be a reporter. And then two years later he got
Speaker 1: fired spectacularly and they looked around for someone who was
Speaker 1: qualified to run the paper and they couldn't find anybody.
Speaker 1: They hired me. So I did that for three years
Speaker 1: and I quit in two thousand twelve because uh I
Speaker 1: got a contracting gig in Afghanistan, so I actually gave
Speaker 1: up my newspaper bills to go my wife. My wife
Speaker 1: went to Afgha to stand in two thousand ten and
Speaker 1: she came back and said, hey, Duty, it's a crazy place.
Speaker 1: You gotta go. And I was like, yeah, sure, And
Speaker 1: so I started looking around for a gig, and uh
Speaker 1: finally end up going over myself in two thousand twelve.
Speaker 1: Very well, yeah, you know. The one thing I'm speaking
Speaker 1: about local newspapers. If you want to know what's going
Speaker 1: on in town, start writing for a local paper, because
Speaker 1: I think that's when you learn more about what goes
Speaker 1: on in your own hometown because I did that. I
Speaker 1: mean I did the military, and then I worked after
Speaker 1: I got hurt, and then they put me out to pasture.
Speaker 1: I was looking for something to do. I started doing
Speaker 1: contract and work because I was still good enough to
Speaker 1: do that. My wife and son finally got sicker talking
Speaker 1: to me on skype. So they said, well, you went
Speaker 1: to school for this stuff, and I said, yeah, but
Speaker 1: I've never done it. So I got a job for
Speaker 1: working for a local newspaper, and I learned more what
Speaker 1: was going on in my own hometown from doing that,
Speaker 1: and I probably would have ever learned in about forty years. So,
Speaker 1: and it's what journalism is supposed to be about, because
Speaker 1: you're only telling the truth. And the local papers we know,
Speaker 1: and some of the national ones maybe not so much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it was you know, you go to every and
Speaker 1: you noticed then, is that people don't have time to
Speaker 1: go to school board and city council meetings and fireboard,
Speaker 1: ambulance board, planning and zoning, all these organizations that really
Speaker 1: affect our day to day lives. And so when you're
Speaker 1: like partly a rural journalist, you go to every single
Speaker 1: one of those. And I cannot tell you how many
Speaker 1: school board meetings I sat through, you know, thinking of
Speaker 1: different ways to kill myself. But all of you know,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you hear something and you're like, wait,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, wait, but what that guy to say? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love the I love the rural newspaper thing. And
Speaker 1: and plus I mean you cover elementary school prize presentations,
Speaker 1: and then you know, you got murders and arson's and
Speaker 1: so it's not because you're in the country other than
Speaker 1: the fact that you're the only person reporting it. So
Speaker 1: it was it was really exciting time and and and
Speaker 1: I miss it. But uh, you know, paid better go
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan a lot better'n that that's a that is
Speaker 1: a fact newspapers don't pay very well. But let's breathe.
Speaker 1: You know, the reason when we're here is you're you're
Speaker 1: running for the Democratic Senate nomination in the state of Kentucky,
Speaker 1: and you're going against the machine there with Mitch McConnell,
Speaker 1: which is not gonna be an easy task. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you I'm preaching to the choir there, but you know,
Speaker 1: to your own credit, you have no political experience, which
Speaker 1: you know, for myself, I think that's wonderful. I think
Speaker 1: we have too many career politicians in there now. But
Speaker 1: what made you decide to actually go out there and
Speaker 1: throw your hat in the ring. But just one one,
Speaker 1: a quick thing, you know. I think my high water market,
Speaker 1: as the editor of a newspaper, was being called both
Speaker 1: a damn Democrat and a damn Republican for the same
Speaker 1: editor the same editorial. So I was like, man, I've
Speaker 1: managed to piss everybody off with this one. So I
Speaker 1: you know, it must have been good, both the Democratic
Speaker 1: Republican excusing me of being of the other party. So
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, maybe I can, maybe I can
Speaker 1: quit this. But so you know, as as as career
Speaker 1: military folks really take our oath to defend the Constitution seriously,
Speaker 1: and seeing what's been happening in in d C the
Speaker 1: last three years, were growing increasingly hard and and I
Speaker 1: think what it was for me was that, you know,
Speaker 1: I've seen McConnell suborting you know, Congress to the executive branch.
Speaker 1: Uh and and because he's sent a majority leader, no
Speaker 1: matter what comes out of the House of Representatives, if
Speaker 1: he does not put it on the centup floor for
Speaker 1: a vote, it doesn't get voted on, and so I said,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put anything in front of the President
Speaker 1: that he won't sign. And he has subordinated the Congress
Speaker 1: to the president, and then you know they're packing the court.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a guy here from Kentucky who got
Speaker 1: a pointed to a federal district bench last year and
Speaker 1: he was rated unqualified by the A, B. A. He'd
Speaker 1: never tried a case, he never second stated a case,
Speaker 1: he was had no prior judging experience. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: he's the federal district court judgment with a lifetime appointment,
Speaker 1: and now he's being elevated to the Circuit Court in Washington,
Speaker 1: and I don't think he's any more experienced the second
Speaker 1: highest court in the land. And this guy, because he's
Speaker 1: just McConnell flunkey. So I saw this. You know, the
Speaker 1: things that we learned in grade school civics classes, the
Speaker 1: separation of powers, checks and balances, so all going out
Speaker 1: the window. And you know, Frank, if we have a
Speaker 1: nice farm, we're very self sufficient. The easiest thing in
Speaker 1: the world to do, Steve, would be to push the
Speaker 1: gate shut and kind of watch the world slide of
Speaker 1: the ditch. I just couldn't do it. It couldn't couldn't
Speaker 1: do it. And so you know, McConnell was the single
Speaker 1: point to failure. I think in this system. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine that the founders ever imagined that one person would
Speaker 1: accumulate so much power that they could literally stop the
Speaker 1: wheels of government any kind of progress. And so I said,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm going after him, as you know, someone
Speaker 1: who's been a teacher. Um I taught at University of California.
Speaker 1: I also substitute teach in our local public schools as
Speaker 1: a farmer and his retired veteran that cuts a pretty
Speaker 1: wide swath across the belly of Kentucky. And so there
Speaker 1: are a lot of people who don't like McConnell. I
Speaker 1: think his approval ratings about in Kentucky. And so, with
Speaker 1: you know, being who I am, with my resume, I said,
Speaker 1: I can I can talk to the people here. Particularly
Speaker 1: being a rural journalist and editor, you know, you learn
Speaker 1: how to communicate your message without talking down to people
Speaker 1: and and alienating people that you really want to have
Speaker 1: on your side. So, uh, about a year ago, you know,
Speaker 1: my wife and I had to sit down and said
Speaker 1: all right, that's it. We're going out for McConnell. Wow.
Speaker 1: I mean with no political experience. That's that is like
Speaker 1: setting the bar pretty high. And how's the response been?
Speaker 1: You know that in your local town? I know you.
Speaker 1: You said you live in is it Stanford or Stanford Stanford?
Speaker 1: Actually live outside of Stanford in a little unincorporated area,
Speaker 1: unincorporated area called Chicken Bristle, And our farm is the
Speaker 1: Chicken Bristol Farm. But you know, honestly, I had to
Speaker 1: fundraisers here last year for other candidates, and I could.
Speaker 1: I had more people come from surrounding counties than come
Speaker 1: come from my own county. This is a pretty red spot,
Speaker 1: not a lot of support here in Lincoln County. But
Speaker 1: the response across the state has been has been fantastic. Actually,
Speaker 1: now is the Democratic ticket is it? Is? It kind
Speaker 1: of crowded? And in Kentucky right now, there are a
Speaker 1: lot of people vying for that Democratic nomination. Well, I'll
Speaker 1: say this, there are seven on the Republican side. Um,
Speaker 1: there there's six other. Yeah, McColl is not well liked
Speaker 1: here in Kentucky, but there are actually ten Democrats of
Speaker 1: who myself included, there are three who are actually serious.
Speaker 1: There are some people who spent their five hundred bucks
Speaker 1: to file and have never surfaced since following their paperwork.
Speaker 1: So but there's there's really three of us who are
Speaker 1: considered to be front runners in this race for the
Speaker 1: Democratic primary. Excellent. I checked out your website, um, because
Speaker 1: I'll be completely honest, living in the Northeast, I'm not
Speaker 1: familiar with the you know, the issues in the state
Speaker 1: of Kentucky. I'll I'll freely admit that. I I guess
Speaker 1: that's a you know, that's a knock on me. But
Speaker 1: I had to, you know, check out your website. But
Speaker 1: you had a list of all the issues and positions
Speaker 1: and you didn't spare anything. You had a pretty complete platform.
Speaker 1: Um is you know is uh have you been able
Speaker 1: to talk with people out on the street and get
Speaker 1: in their sense of how they feel about these Well? Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and you know talk about set you know when I
Speaker 1: there there are a lot of issues Kentucky. The perception
Speaker 1: is that it's a you know, anti abortion or pro
Speaker 1: life state. So as you said, I've listed all my
Speaker 1: policies and my platform on my website. It but here's
Speaker 1: what people say to me. They say, I disagree with
Speaker 1: you on issue X, but at least you're not lying
Speaker 1: to me. As a pretty low bar for an elected
Speaker 1: official that you can. You could win someone's vote just
Speaker 1: because you didn't look them in the eye and lie
Speaker 1: to them. So yeah, I figure I have one shot
Speaker 1: at this, Steve, and that I wasn't gonna triangulate or
Speaker 1: focus group or mainly mouthed my way around the issues.
Speaker 1: I figured I just spill it all at one time.
Speaker 1: And then the good thing about putting everything out there
Speaker 1: is that it really drives a lot of conversation. I've
Speaker 1: been hosting these every night at seven pm, we go
Speaker 1: we do a live stream. Like last night, one of
Speaker 1: our county Democratic parties came on and for almost an
Speaker 1: hour I fielded their questions, you know, live and it's great.
Speaker 1: And if you want to provoke conversations, you know, you
Speaker 1: start by laying out your platform and then you let
Speaker 1: people take shots at it. And even with the pandemic,
Speaker 1: we've been doing this nightly live stream and getting some
Speaker 1: interesting people to come on talk about what they do,
Speaker 1: and to let the county parties come on and fire
Speaker 1: their questions at me. And yeah, that was gonna be
Speaker 1: my next question is you know the pandemic, you know
Speaker 1: what's going on. Is that affecting Obviously it affects how
Speaker 1: many people you can see, But do you think it's
Speaker 1: gonna affect you negatively or maybe positively? Because you're getting
Speaker 1: the word out via the web. I think it's I
Speaker 1: think it's positive. Probably familiar with Andrew Yang's campaign. Um,
Speaker 1: when he shuttered his presidential campaign, a lot of his
Speaker 1: national staff just Kentucky, you know, they've never met me before,
Speaker 1: and they said, okay, this is the next most important
Speaker 1: races is the guy who can beat m McConnell. And
Speaker 1: they just started driving in Kentucky. So I've got all
Speaker 1: these Yang gang and of course they all look like kids,
Speaker 1: you know that grown ups and everything. But when the
Speaker 1: pandemic hit, they just switched gears seamlessly and said, okay,
Speaker 1: this is the way we're gonna campaign now. And I mean,
Speaker 1: you mean to me as the candidate, it was seamless.
Speaker 1: I know they're working their butts off behind the scene.
Speaker 1: So like we do this nightly live stream and we
Speaker 1: get which been a thousand, two thousand, which is pretty
Speaker 1: good from a guy sit in the middle of his farm.
Speaker 1: You know, today I did. I did four newspaper interviews
Speaker 1: and a hour long radio call in show. So I've
Speaker 1: been at this, you know, solid since eight o'clock this morning.
Speaker 1: But I never have done that if I was out
Speaker 1: driving around. Kentucky is a big state. You didn't take
Speaker 1: eight hours to go from the northeast to the northeast
Speaker 1: to the southwest. Most of it is just, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: green grass and white fences. So actually, as far as
Speaker 1: time management, this is actually more effective. And I think
Speaker 1: these young kids who came to work for me are
Speaker 1: doing a fantastic job. I mean, they've they've just come
Speaker 1: up with every week it's something different. All right, now
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this. Now we're gonna do this. And
Speaker 1: you know, a nimble They created a nimble and dynamic
Speaker 1: organization that has been to my beat. One of the
Speaker 1: things that I was reading through your website I found
Speaker 1: pretty interesting was your jobs through public Infrastructure of investments
Speaker 1: and it talked about climate change. Could you tell our
Speaker 1: listeners a little bit about that. But people think of Kentucky,
Speaker 1: they probably think of Appalachian coal country, you know, and
Speaker 1: but there's eight Appalachian coal states. We've been left literally
Speaker 1: holding the bag environmentally and uh and economically, our our
Speaker 1: coal country is you know, there's a place out in
Speaker 1: in eastern Kentucky, Mordern's Calm County, and you can't drink
Speaker 1: the water that comes out of the tap, and you
Speaker 1: can't bathe in the water that comes out of your pipes,
Speaker 1: and that comes from a coal sludge pond that broke
Speaker 1: its walls and into the creeks and rivers and into
Speaker 1: the aquifer. And so now the twenty years later, you
Speaker 1: still can't drink the water. And so you know, this
Speaker 1: is why I look at it, is that the coal
Speaker 1: coal country. First it was lumber, then it was cooled.
Speaker 1: They built the engines of our nation. They built the
Speaker 1: great cities, the railways, you know, the bridges that we have,
Speaker 1: and now they're holding the bag. So what I'd like
Speaker 1: to do is have a have an infrastructure program to
Speaker 1: put people to work, because the usked this way too,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have to do this to come out
Speaker 1: of the pandemic. To get money into the economy is
Speaker 1: to put people to work. We've got we've got a
Speaker 1: crumbling infrastructure here in Kentucky. And this is what this
Speaker 1: is why I look at is that that big projects
Speaker 1: like we've built the Interstate highway system is a part
Speaker 1: of our national security. You know, the reason we had
Speaker 1: it is for for national security. And these bridges we
Speaker 1: have are literally falling down. The bridge between Covington, Kentucky
Speaker 1: and Cincinnati, Ohio is literally falling down. Everyone says, who's
Speaker 1: going to pay for this? In four percent of our
Speaker 1: gross product crosses that bridge every year, that one bridge,
Speaker 1: just this one single point of failure in this system.
Speaker 1: So I think we make a national schedule of of
Speaker 1: key infrastructure and instead of states fighting over who's gonna
Speaker 1: you know, having to go to Washington to beg for something,
Speaker 1: we make a national schedule and we build, repair, and maintain, repair,
Speaker 1: and replace our key infrastructure on a schedule. We put
Speaker 1: people to work in good jobs in the prevailing wage,
Speaker 1: and we cut the middleman out. We don't make states
Speaker 1: fight over the crumbs and Washington. We take a bold
Speaker 1: step and say we have a national infrastructure plan and
Speaker 1: we put people to work that way outstanding. You know,
Speaker 1: one of the things that I wanted to ask you,
Speaker 1: and you you mentioned it again on your website was
Speaker 1: climate change. As as a farmer in you know, the
Speaker 1: America's heartland there in Kentucky. I mean, are you seeing
Speaker 1: the effects of climate change in your farm land? Definitely?
Speaker 1: I think you know, the droughts are worse. You know,
Speaker 1: the periods of dryness are longer and worse, and the
Speaker 1: periods of rain are are longer and worse. It's when
Speaker 1: you go out to southwestern Kentucky it's really worse because
Speaker 1: you know, you get down they called the Purchase. It's
Speaker 1: right upon the Mississippi River. It feels more like say
Speaker 1: Louisiana than Kentucky. You know, it's not like here where
Speaker 1: it's bowing hills down there. It is, you know, saltry
Speaker 1: and RIVERI but they've been going through these radical swings
Speaker 1: from extended droughts into extended rains and flooding. And the
Speaker 1: sound part of me as a farmer is the loss
Speaker 1: of small farms and family farms. So what's happened is
Speaker 1: all these farms have been sold out and they've become
Speaker 1: part of mega farms, which tends towards monoculture and not
Speaker 1: being good for the environment, etcetera. But to me, I
Speaker 1: think that you know that small farms and family farms
Speaker 1: add to our food security, which is another part of
Speaker 1: our national security. But yeah, I've definitely seen that. And
Speaker 1: I also have invasive species out there. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: they've got armadillos in southwest Kentucky. Now, I mean that's
Speaker 1: I couldn't you know, I couldn't believe the first time
Speaker 1: I saw one dead by the side of the road,
Speaker 1: which is its natural state, as you probably know. But
Speaker 1: you know, we've got Asian carp We've got our medill's
Speaker 1: and stuff. So it's all indicative of of rapid advance
Speaker 1: of climate change. But you know what, if you're doing
Speaker 1: infrastructure like what I like to do with Appalachia is
Speaker 1: turned into a regional green energy hub. Right, So even
Speaker 1: if you don't believe in climate change, we have all
Speaker 1: these folks in Appalachia who are who are unemployed because
Speaker 1: of you know, the climate of the coal industry. They
Speaker 1: are literally begging to be part of a green, green economy,
Speaker 1: and so we want to put them to work with
Speaker 1: solar and wind and turn you know, Appalachia into a
Speaker 1: regional hub for energy. So even if you don't believe
Speaker 1: in climate change, you end up on the other end
Speaker 1: with good infrastructure and renewable resources and people have got jobs,
Speaker 1: so you don't have to be a climate change believer.
Speaker 1: You know, I believe it's severely, you know, mitigate our
Speaker 1: carbon footprint. But even if you don't buy that, you
Speaker 1: put people to work and you get renewable energy, so
Speaker 1: it's a win win. I was also reading about your
Speaker 1: gun reform issue and your stand on that, and I
Speaker 1: was wondering how that is playing out so far in Kentucky, because, uh,
Speaker 1: I know a lot of our readers are very pro
Speaker 1: Second Amendment and as you are, but you have a
Speaker 1: different idea on you know, how we should go about
Speaker 1: gun reform. You want to talk a little bit about that, well,
Speaker 1: I you know, I'll tell you. I don't know how
Speaker 1: it is. I know your experience really varies widely from mine.
Speaker 1: I know you and you know that you were special
Speaker 1: Forces and then But for me, my weapon was always
Speaker 1: kept in the armory and it didn't come out to
Speaker 1: that little tiny hole until I gave my a D
Speaker 1: card in a weapons card. I don't know. Maybe things
Speaker 1: are different in the group, but but I mean for me,
Speaker 1: if we handle weapons like that in the military, and
Speaker 1: you know, the AMMO was kept miles away in a
Speaker 1: bunker behind defence So the way I look at this
Speaker 1: is that if we handle weapons like that in the military,
Speaker 1: we treated that seriously when people are at the height
Speaker 1: of their weapon handling and safe you know, weapons handling
Speaker 1: capability and safety awareness. I mean, the least we can
Speaker 1: do is universal background checks. There's at least we can.
Speaker 1: If you're going on, I'm sure you probably used the
Speaker 1: NIX system. When I have, it was literally instantaneous, you know.
Speaker 1: You know, I walked in, gave my driver's license and
Speaker 1: gave my SOLI security number, paid my twelve bucks, and
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes later, Okay, you're good. And so
Speaker 1: you know the fact that you can. We had a
Speaker 1: we had a kid here who was running, an eighteen
Speaker 1: year old who was running for uh state house, I guess.
Speaker 1: And he he videoed himself going to a flea market
Speaker 1: and buying an A R. And no I d no questions, asked,
Speaker 1: no nothing. He walked in, plunked down as whatever it was,
Speaker 1: six hundred bucks, and walked out with an A R.
Speaker 1: And so you know, the point he was making is
Speaker 1: that he could have been anybody. So yeah, I believe
Speaker 1: in in the national and using the Knick system and
Speaker 1: UH I know it's misnomer the gun you know, gun
Speaker 1: show loophole, but I think for every transfer fire which
Speaker 1: using NIX. And also there are some decent red flag laws.
Speaker 1: You know. One of the first bills that Mr McConnell
Speaker 1: putting fund on Donald Trump was one stopping disconnecting Social
Speaker 1: Security Administration from the FBI with a NICK system. Because
Speaker 1: when somebody goes into custodial care, like they can't have
Speaker 1: a checkbook or an ATM card or take care of themselves,
Speaker 1: they get sold security. Well, so security would tell the FBI, hey,
Speaker 1: this person isn't allowed to have a check book or
Speaker 1: ATM card anymore, but they felt it was really important
Speaker 1: for them to be able to buy a gun if
Speaker 1: you know, they went into custodial care. This is this
Speaker 1: is literally probably the third piece of legislation that McConnell
Speaker 1: put in front of him. So it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: And in the way that we're going to just that
Speaker 1: is that if you do not participate in the dialogue,
Speaker 1: someone's gonna is going to change things for you. And
Speaker 1: I wish that it wasn't such a zero sum game
Speaker 1: between you know, people who consider themselves to be pro gun.
Speaker 1: I don't think they've been well represented by the n
Speaker 1: r A. You know, I think the organization has changed
Speaker 1: so much over the decades that when all of a
Speaker 1: sudden the dialogue stops, then something bad is going to happen.
Speaker 1: And I wish that, I wish that there was more
Speaker 1: of a meaningful dialogue about how we're going to stop
Speaker 1: tragedies from happening other than my cold dead figures. That's
Speaker 1: a pretty absolutist stance on it. And so yeah, and
Speaker 1: and and so the two the two ones that I
Speaker 1: absolutely agree with our some red flag laws and making
Speaker 1: sure we use the NIX system the way it was intended. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: now let's move on to criminal justice. And you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, you have a platform on everything. So
Speaker 1: you know, I was reading all of this stuff and
Speaker 1: I like this about you know, about non violent offenders
Speaker 1: and talk to us about you know, your status. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll say one thing that always kind of struck me
Speaker 1: as a people who say, well, you know, I'm a
Speaker 1: fiscal conservative. I'm socially moderate, but I'm a fiscal conservative,
Speaker 1: and I always want to talk to them about putting
Speaker 1: people in jail. Right, so, you know, we put someone
Speaker 1: in jail who is a non violent offender, not a
Speaker 1: threat to themselves or anybody else, at the cost of
Speaker 1: the taxpayers of here in kentuckul like a hundred and
Speaker 1: twenties seven bucks a day. You know, I'm not smart
Speaker 1: enough to do the math in my head, but you
Speaker 1: know what is, so taxpayers are paying twenty two dollars
Speaker 1: a year to keep somebody in jail, and they're not
Speaker 1: out having a job, They're not paying taxes, are kicking
Speaker 1: into Social Security, and their families are probably going to
Speaker 1: need some kind of public assistance. So we put we
Speaker 1: put a non violent offender in jail, really someone who's
Speaker 1: not a threat to society or themselves, and it ends
Speaker 1: up just being a giant sink for the taxpayers. And
Speaker 1: here in Kentucky, for example, like and when when we
Speaker 1: really really ramped up law enforcement and we switched over
Speaker 1: to private prisons, the number of women incarcerated in Kentucky
Speaker 1: went up three seven years. That's just because it's a business.
Speaker 1: There's no there has not been a huge you know,
Speaker 1: women crimes free in Kentucky. It was just we need
Speaker 1: to put more people in jail. And so I really
Speaker 1: don't like the idea for profit prisons at all. You know,
Speaker 1: I was listening to interview with Don Bradley on your
Speaker 1: show and what happened to him in the criminal justice system.
Speaker 1: He was a person with SOMEWHEREWITHAL. I mean, of course
Speaker 1: he had to still his home. I think he had
Speaker 1: to dissolve his business to protect himself. But there's an
Speaker 1: awful lot of people who would just be a victim
Speaker 1: of that s that same system, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: my heart went out to him, and I really hope
Speaker 1: for the very best for him in that case that's
Speaker 1: coming up, I guess it's coming up next month. People
Speaker 1: were less wherewithal who get caught in that system and
Speaker 1: they come out, they have a record, can't vote, they
Speaker 1: don't have the driver's license, they have a driver's license,
Speaker 1: they can't get a bank account, can't get a bank account,
Speaker 1: can't get a job, and they end up in a
Speaker 1: cash back in a cash economy, which is usually means crime,
Speaker 1: and they end up going right back to prison. And
Speaker 1: it's a it's a vicious cycle, and I'd just like
Speaker 1: to break it by minimizing the number of people putting bad,
Speaker 1: bad people in jail. Absolutely, But if for you know,
Speaker 1: even here in Kentucky, somebody if they can't make arrested
Speaker 1: for drunk driving, right, you shouldn't be drunk driving, But
Speaker 1: you also shouldn't have to sit in jail for thirty
Speaker 1: days waiting to see a judge at the taxpayer's expense.
Speaker 1: It's it's dumb, you know. So I think we can
Speaker 1: do a lot to ensure that we're putting the right
Speaker 1: people in jail and keeping people who really aren't a
Speaker 1: threat to other people on the street. I also saw
Speaker 1: you support removing marijuana from the schedule of controlled drugs.
Speaker 1: I know in my state we've done that, and you know,
Speaker 1: now it's it's actually legal to uh possess and they
Speaker 1: actually have some that are like a prescription arijuana shops
Speaker 1: and they have something that are now recreational and it's
Speaker 1: cut down a lot on on a lot of arrests
Speaker 1: around here, and it's kind of a lot of the
Speaker 1: crime out because the marijuana dealers are all going out
Speaker 1: of business, right, you know. And I think I maybe
Speaker 1: I think we're both of the old enough to understand
Speaker 1: that people self medicate, you know, one way or another,
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, whatever whatever it is, whether you know,
Speaker 1: whether you have a cocktail or a couple of beers,
Speaker 1: or eating handfuls of oxycodone or something. You know, people
Speaker 1: self medicated. When I was in I was in Somalia
Speaker 1: in three right, Okay, people are literally starving tonet. There's
Speaker 1: no food, there's no water, there's no medicine, there's no nothing.
Speaker 1: But every single day they would fly in planeloads of cops.
Speaker 1: So those are people, right, So made the hunger go away,
Speaker 1: It made the fear go away, It made made life
Speaker 1: at least for the couple hours you're chewing it a
Speaker 1: little bit better. That's where I kind of realized that,
Speaker 1: you know, here here are people with absolute louty. I mean,
Speaker 1: you call less than nothing. If you're living under a
Speaker 1: plastic sheet, you can still scrape enough money together to
Speaker 1: buy some drugs. So I mean, I accept the fact
Speaker 1: that people self medicaid. I much rather see someone smoking
Speaker 1: some weed than you know, taking an A plus. Well
Speaker 1: as the people who smoke pot, they don't go out
Speaker 1: and stick up liquor stores. They might, you know, shoplift
Speaker 1: a bag of Cheetos, but they know not for crimes freeze. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's very true. I mean they might be more apt
Speaker 1: to clean the house. But yeah, people that smoke weed
Speaker 1: are not generally the violent type. You know. I know,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of painting with a broad brush there, but
Speaker 1: let's call them what it is. I think people are
Speaker 1: much more violent if they're doing some other legal substances
Speaker 1: than smoking a little weeds. So and so far in
Speaker 1: my state up here in Massachusetts, it hasn't been an issue.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm speaking to but we haven't had issues with that.
Speaker 1: So I was always against marijuana being legalized, but I'm
Speaker 1: kind of changing my tune on that. So I'm totally
Speaker 1: and uh and step with you there. When I'm on
Speaker 1: the campaign trail out in wural places Kentucky, which are
Speaker 1: you know, pretty conservative places, and people always ask about
Speaker 1: marijuana question and it can get a little bit tense,
Speaker 1: and I tell them myself, I guarantee you within a mile,
Speaker 1: I hear someone has grown some really really good weed
Speaker 1: and there are a lot of people smoking in all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, do you see these smiles going across
Speaker 1: the rouble? Yeah, that guy right, So that's very true.
Speaker 1: I mean, no matter where you go, I mean any
Speaker 1: part of the country, it's it's weird. I mean, no
Speaker 1: matter where you go, I was visiting some relatives like
Speaker 1: that lived way out in the country. As we're sitting there,
Speaker 1: we're out on their back deck. You know that familiar
Speaker 1: smell that starts going and it's coming through the woods,
Speaker 1: and I will like, you have neighbors back there, And
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I think he's grown a little something
Speaker 1: back But I mean, it is what it is. But
Speaker 1: moving on. I mean, I agree with you on your
Speaker 1: foreign policy. And you know, you spoke as a marine,
Speaker 1: you know, and as an army. Uh, the face of
Speaker 1: the American people shouldn't be our military. I think it
Speaker 1: should be our diplomats. And uh, you know, let's let's
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about your foreign policy because I
Speaker 1: found this very interesting as well. You know, I agree
Speaker 1: with General Maddis. You know, he was trying to coach
Speaker 1: the president through the idea of you know, having employing
Speaker 1: the State Department. He said, I'll paraphrases and some along
Speaker 1: the lines of if you're not full the State Department,
Speaker 1: you're going to ultimately end up buying me more bullets.
Speaker 1: And he didn't mean that in a good way. And
Speaker 1: you know, Madis is a very thoughtful, intelligent guy, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I have a lot of friends in state,
Speaker 1: you know, because the Marines and State Department work really closely.
Speaker 1: And so two friends and actually retired out of State
Speaker 1: Department and they live here in Kentucky now and they
Speaker 1: got a double retirement, both retired from the Army and
Speaker 1: from the State Department. So they're doing okay. But you know,
Speaker 1: they've said that the career level staff, you know, the
Speaker 1: real professionals and people who know you're not political appointees
Speaker 1: to go be the ambassador to Liechtenstein or something. But
Speaker 1: you know, the people who are grinding it out in
Speaker 1: you know, in Chad and and Islamabad, places like that,
Speaker 1: places no one wants to go. They're fleeing the State Department.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if how many drawdowns you went through,
Speaker 1: but this is why I looked at it when I
Speaker 1: went through a couple of draw downs in the military,
Speaker 1: is like the really best you know, the old people
Speaker 1: say I can ride this out until my retirement, and
Speaker 1: but the young people who can go do something else say, well,
Speaker 1: all right, sir, I'll take this, you know, I'll take
Speaker 1: this buy out. I'll go do something else. And you're
Speaker 1: kind of left with not the top and you know,
Speaker 1: not not the not the top wanted people stick around
Speaker 1: because they can't do you know, they see themselves not
Speaker 1: being able to do something else. So what what has
Speaker 1: happened to State is the very very best career professionals
Speaker 1: have left, and it's going to take us decades and
Speaker 1: decades to build that back up, just like it takes
Speaker 1: decades to build up you know, we can go only
Speaker 1: in privates, but it takes years to make a corporal,
Speaker 1: a sergeant, captain or a good colonel. And so even
Speaker 1: though you lose those people and you say, well, they
Speaker 1: give me replaced, they really can't be replaced, not not immediately.
Speaker 1: And so I'm really sorry what's happened to the State Department.
Speaker 1: And you know, I I I try to avoid talking
Speaker 1: to military terms on the campaign trail, but I talk
Speaker 1: about the dime model. And so, you know, we have
Speaker 1: four elements of national power, and the military, in my mind,
Speaker 1: should should be the last. And I think you guys
Speaker 1: as operators, uh, you know, my personal opinion is I
Speaker 1: think you've been you've ben overnew and over and spread
Speaker 1: too thin. Because you're there, you're ready to go. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's an easy decision. But when you've got
Speaker 1: an asset like you know, like like gear Group, you
Speaker 1: can just literally literally pulled the trigger and off they go.
Speaker 1: And so I wish that we weren't using military as
Speaker 1: the first space overseas. You know, I was, I was
Speaker 1: working in Jibouti in two thousands sixteen, two thousand seventeen
Speaker 1: on a construction job over there. And I might have
Speaker 1: left that out, but I was. I was working at that.
Speaker 1: Have you been Camp Lemonnier, No, I've never been there.
Speaker 1: I was just reading about that yesterday though. Man, they
Speaker 1: built inside of that camp, they built a Special Forces base.
Speaker 1: So that's when I was working inside the inside that camp,
Speaker 1: and it was incredible. I mean, I've never seen anything
Speaker 1: like this in my life. But so what the Chinese
Speaker 1: are doing is I mean, the Chinese built this massive
Speaker 1: cargo freight handling facility and they hire all the local
Speaker 1: people to work there. They hired them the construction, the operation,
Speaker 1: and now they're building a railway between Jibouti and Atis.
Speaker 1: You know this jabouty Ethiopian Railroad. Again employing local people
Speaker 1: and they're giving them something, you know, And we keep
Speaker 1: our soldiers and sailors near the marine you know, pend
Speaker 1: up like dogs at Camp Lemonner. And meanwhile the Chinese
Speaker 1: are outspending money and ex and and and so they're
Speaker 1: using their economic power to influence what's going on there.
Speaker 1: And it's it's it's soft power, but it's power. It's
Speaker 1: something that we that I think we should pay more
Speaker 1: attention to. Yeah, I totally agree. You know, when you're
Speaker 1: looking at especially the issues that Africa is facing today,
Speaker 1: and if you get elected, this is something you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to be dealing with. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: so many problems right now, and I mean the first
Speaker 1: instinct is to take on obviously the violence, because there's
Speaker 1: like Altquida isis you know, bocal Harum, They're they're all
Speaker 1: just running a muck in the central part of the
Speaker 1: hell and uh now starting to drift to it West Africa.
Speaker 1: But the political situation and the economic situation really needs
Speaker 1: to be addressed because that addresses the problems at its
Speaker 1: core is why these people are able to get a
Speaker 1: foothold in this place. And I think that's the area
Speaker 1: in Africa. It you know, our our people really take
Speaker 1: a look at and you look at what the Chinese
Speaker 1: are doing because they're they're throwing boatloads of money everywhere, right,
Speaker 1: and and you know it's it's it's just a different
Speaker 1: And I guess my encourage would always be we need
Speaker 1: to employ all elements of natural power, not just not
Speaker 1: just military. And of course we've been in in wars
Speaker 1: now for it was seventeen years, and so it's got
Speaker 1: to become the way we do business. But I'm sure
Speaker 1: like I liked going on training missions. I did a
Speaker 1: med float back in late eighties, and I mean working
Speaker 1: with the NATO allies, work with some North Africans, and uh,
Speaker 1: I think even that aspect of military life, I don't
Speaker 1: even know if people do that anymore, do those kind
Speaker 1: of training missions anymore? But those were they were good
Speaker 1: relationship building exercises, and yeah, you come away learning something,
Speaker 1: come away with, you know, a couple of cool souvenirs,
Speaker 1: and and you work on your interoperability and that you
Speaker 1: learn to trust each other. So I you know, you know,
Speaker 1: I wanta say let's go back to the good old days.
Speaker 1: But there's a lot to be said for for diplomacy
Speaker 1: and for cooperation with our allies, absolutely, you know. And
Speaker 1: it was funny because a couple of times when I
Speaker 1: was in Special Forces, we would be tasked to go
Speaker 1: on some humanitarian missions in such wee in South America.
Speaker 1: You really see where you know, just a little bit
Speaker 1: of aid in the right places can make a huge
Speaker 1: difference in people's lives. And they don't forget that. Those
Speaker 1: were some of the fun missions. You know. It's not
Speaker 1: like the high speed you know, Johnny Rambo type of stuff,
Speaker 1: but it's things where we can make a difference in
Speaker 1: other people's lives. I think that's something like you said,
Speaker 1: it's not just the military solution. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: we need everybody involved in that economically, politically, and hopefully
Speaker 1: you can make a difference doing that. Yeah. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: went on one of those missions in in Tunisia. We
Speaker 1: went in, we did I guess the call them bed
Speaker 1: caps where you come in you set up a medical
Speaker 1: clinic and dental and things like that. We did that
Speaker 1: for five days and when it was done, the government said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll get out that all right, thank you for your service. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We dropped some leaflets in South America and Central America,
Speaker 1: and you know, in in these mountain like tiny little villages,
Speaker 1: and you know, we were gonna bring in doctors, dentists,
Speaker 1: some veterinarians, and you know, we we let the people know.
Speaker 1: We expected maybe you know, people show up because we
Speaker 1: only had a few of each. Well the first day
Speaker 1: we had like ten thousand people there. So yeah. So
Speaker 1: the dentist was like, hey, Steve through uh crash dental school.
Speaker 1: And I was like sure. He's like, we're not even
Speaker 1: gonna bother try and we don't have the time, you know,
Speaker 1: to to try to fix anything. The teeth that are
Speaker 1: really really bad, We're gonna have one of the dentists,
Speaker 1: you know, put them through like a tree, and he's
Speaker 1: gonna identify the ones that just need to come out,
Speaker 1: and and then I'll be pulling a tooth and you're
Speaker 1: gonna assist me, and then I'll assist you on one
Speaker 1: and then you're on your own. So by the end
Speaker 1: we went three days, I was like painless pacos. I uh.
Speaker 1: I had a big bucket full of teeth. I was
Speaker 1: gonna make a necklace out and then the dentist was
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, so he took those away and
Speaker 1: he buried him. But I was gonna make a big,
Speaker 1: you know, tooth necklace. I thought it would be a
Speaker 1: conversation starter going back to Fort Brag but it didn't
Speaker 1: turn out that way. So let me just clarify, Steve,
Speaker 1: we didn't have a prior history and amateur dentistry before
Speaker 1: you did. It looks like a hobby or anything for you. Wasn't. No, No,
Speaker 1: I used to and I was a kid. I ran
Speaker 1: from the dentist. I hated going. But uh that was
Speaker 1: it and then uh, yeah it was it was Actually
Speaker 1: there was some comical stuff. We'll we'll say for another
Speaker 1: the time. Mike. Oh yeah, but as you can imagine.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, when you go through like an
Speaker 1: hour and a half a dental school, I mean, you
Speaker 1: don't really get all of that information you really need
Speaker 1: out there. But anyway, I really want to thank you.
Speaker 1: We really appreciate your time. We want to wish you
Speaker 1: all the best. And before you go, is there a
Speaker 1: message you'd like to get out there to our listening
Speaker 1: to our voters there, because we do have some people
Speaker 1: tune in from the state of Kentucky and you know,
Speaker 1: is this something you would like to say? And uh
Speaker 1: to all of the people out there before we cut
Speaker 1: this off, particularly the Kentuckians, but everyone is that that
Speaker 1: you know, particularly this group, people who know who, people
Speaker 1: who put their life on the line and who believe
Speaker 1: in bigger things than themselves. We need the party side
Speaker 1: and ideology aside and take a sober look at the
Speaker 1: direction the country is going. And I'm for going back
Speaker 1: to those things we earn great school civics, checks and balances,
Speaker 1: balance power and and this country running the way it's
Speaker 1: supposed to. And so I just asked people to take
Speaker 1: a you know, a sober assessment from their life experience
Speaker 1: and the way they know things were supposed to be,
Speaker 1: and support the candidate, not the part of your choice.
Speaker 1: And I got Steve. That's that's it. But other than
Speaker 1: saying thanks for having me, it was a great opportunity.
Speaker 1: I would love to have a beer and tell war
Speaker 1: stories or you know, I don't have a lot of
Speaker 1: war stories, but you know, see stories. Let's call them
Speaker 1: with you and hear about the tooth necklace at link
Speaker 1: that it was never to be. I'm that's like one
Speaker 1: of my regrets. I want, you know, because I figured
Speaker 1: I'm going to get off the plane, I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: this big tooth necklace and people are gonna say, what
Speaker 1: the heck was going on in that trip, but unfortunately
Speaker 1: it was never to be. But Mike, thank you, Thank
Speaker 1: you once again very much. We really appreciate your time,
Speaker 1: and we thank you for your service and for your
Speaker 1: wife's service as well to marine officers. So uh and
Speaker 1: good luck with the farm and the election down there.
Speaker 1: We hope to you know, hear good things coming out
Speaker 1: of there. Who knows we might have a new senator
Speaker 1: in the state of Kentucky. Well, absolutely my pleasure talking
Speaker 1: to you and your listeners. And this was great. And uh,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say the beauty of sea stories is
Speaker 1: I get to tell the story about the tooth necklaces
Speaker 1: that it's actually real about find out so great hosts,
Speaker 1: great questions, and I really appreciate you give me this time.
Speaker 1: It's been fantastic. Thanks, oh, thank you. So that'll wrap
Speaker 1: it up here for us this afternoon here on Software
Speaker 1: Radio softwarep Radio on time on target. Stay tuned. We'll
Speaker 1: be back with some other great guests and the very
Speaker 1: near future. But until then, make sure you check out
Speaker 1: the website and thanks again to our guests. Mike Brower,
Speaker 1: who's running for office in the state of Kentucky, will
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