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Speaker 1: straight talk with the guys in the community. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to Softwork Radio. We have Part two with Bob Adams.
Speaker 1: Colonel Bob Adams, m D n B A eighteen years
Speaker 1: in the Navy, twelve as a seal, eighteen years in
Speaker 1: the Army, author of multiple books. Six Days of Impossible
Speaker 1: is website Seal hell Week dot com. And what's the
Speaker 1: second book, Bob Swords and Sat Doctor's Journey, and that's
Speaker 1: at Swords and Saints dot com. That's the book that
Speaker 1: looks back it thirty five years of medicine, army and
Speaker 1: civilian peace and war. So, if you haven't had a
Speaker 1: chance to catch the first interview we got into in
Speaker 1: a background, had some connectivity issues on my part. I
Speaker 1: want to have bought back and just have a deeper
Speaker 1: conversation and get into some of the some of the stories.
Speaker 1: It's always uh interesting in the seal community just to
Speaker 1: see where guys go in the past, they take and
Speaker 1: you know, for instance, Bob, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: know this. My platoon commander in Afghanistan as Chris Cassidy,
Speaker 1: who is orbiting Earth right now on the and on
Speaker 1: the International Space Station and was the second seal astronaut.
Speaker 1: And then Johnny Kim was a sniper student of mine.
Speaker 1: Johnny went on to Harvard Medical School and then became
Speaker 1: the third Navy seal astron Not so pretty wild. Some
Speaker 1: of us are some underachievers, that's for sure. And you
Speaker 1: worked with Admir mcgraven and Hargrave and some really good
Speaker 1: leaders in your young years that became great leaders in
Speaker 1: their older years. Yeah. I mean I was fortunate enough
Speaker 1: to come into that that kind of same environment you
Speaker 1: did the post Vietnam guys, and we still had a
Speaker 1: couple of those guys around half asked McCarthy was in
Speaker 1: our seal team, training training cell, just some characters. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it was good times for sure. But I want
Speaker 1: to get into some of your the partward you were
Speaker 1: in the Army as a doctor, got approached by Delta
Speaker 1: Force and you said, look, guys, I wanna practice medicine
Speaker 1: and come back in two years, which they did. Uh,
Speaker 1: And then you did a tour in Delta Force. But
Speaker 1: I loved to kind of recap that and maybe get
Speaker 1: into some some stories you can share, sure, absolutely. I
Speaker 1: mean it was somewhat unique to show up at uh
Speaker 1: An Army post in an Army uniform wearing a Navy
Speaker 1: seal patch on my left breast, and so the word
Speaker 1: got out fast. There's a doctor running around with a
Speaker 1: Navy seal patch on him. And I hadn't been there
Speaker 1: long when they knocked on the door and said come
Speaker 1: play with us. And I had no idea who they
Speaker 1: were where they were very very uh appropriately classified a unit.
Speaker 1: But I honestly told him, I said, you know, guys,
Speaker 1: I think I know who you're talking about. I think
Speaker 1: I know who you are, but not now. And then
Speaker 1: when I said I come back in two years and
Speaker 1: they did, I said, you know, now, at this point
Speaker 1: in my career, I've delivered a lot more babies. I've
Speaker 1: seen a lot more patients. I was a family doc,
Speaker 1: and so I delivered the babies, take care of the kids,
Speaker 1: watched them grow up. Learned how the Army worked, which
Speaker 1: was a big deal for me because you know, eighteen
Speaker 1: years in the Navy and now suddenly in the Army
Speaker 1: there's a translation period that has to happen. So I
Speaker 1: learned that the Army had latrines, and not heads and
Speaker 1: walls and not bulkheads, and I was getting a little
Speaker 1: bit better at it, so I said, sure, now would
Speaker 1: be a good time, and they brought me in and
Speaker 1: made me the command surgeon for the Army's Delta Force,
Speaker 1: which is a not a surgical position, as you know
Speaker 1: in the military, military doctors are. Their positions are called
Speaker 1: command surgeon. That goes all way back to the Civil
Speaker 1: War days. As a command surgeon, I had a p
Speaker 1: A that worked for me, and another doctor that worked
Speaker 1: for me, and a bunch of eighteen Delta the medics,
Speaker 1: which are the top of the cream of the crop
Speaker 1: of the best trained medics in the military. Um Our
Speaker 1: Navy seal guys sent him to the eighteen Delta medical
Speaker 1: course six months of real hard training. So I just
Speaker 1: I just had a superstar staff working with me and
Speaker 1: for me. The story I like to tell about coming
Speaker 1: into the unit was a deputy commander who later went
Speaker 1: on to be a wonderful major general, close friend of mine,
Speaker 1: pulled me into his office and he said, pay attention.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm chief staff here and the only job
Speaker 1: I haven't done on my staff is yours, and I
Speaker 1: can't do it can't can't learn how to do it.
Speaker 1: So here's how things work. You know, in my unit,
Speaker 1: we have unlimited resources. You may spend whatever you want
Speaker 1: to accomplish the mission I'm about to give you, and
Speaker 1: if you ask for it, I will give it to
Speaker 1: you because I can't argue with you. And I went, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is getting good. What do you want me to do?
Speaker 1: Because I want to take care of my soldiers don't
Speaker 1: want to take care of their families, and I want
Speaker 1: you to do it better than anybody in the United
Speaker 1: States Army. God, sir, I can do that. And he
Speaker 1: stayed true to his word. For two years. I spent
Speaker 1: more money than any doctor I've ever heard of in
Speaker 1: building up a much better clinic system, remote system, deployment
Speaker 1: system for the medics, training system for both the the
Speaker 1: unit members and and my medics. Uh So it had
Speaker 1: worked out really, really well, and a number of interesting
Speaker 1: things happen. We can touch on those if you want. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I would love to. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: great to hear. And to your point on just the
Speaker 1: training that the Army has with the eighteen Delta course,
Speaker 1: I had lost my best friend had been Ghazi Glenn already.
Speaker 1: Glenn was amazing, just one of those guys that everyone loved.
Speaker 1: He was a corman. And it's funny, in the seal teams,
Speaker 1: you have usually the corman that you just don't want
Speaker 1: to see because they're like, there's no bedside manner, and
Speaker 1: in the ones that you're just like, oh, this guy
Speaker 1: is gonna really take care of me. Glenn was that
Speaker 1: kind of guy and and just an incredible loved what
Speaker 1: he did, passionate about it. But just I remember going
Speaker 1: on a surfing trip with some friends and this guy
Speaker 1: so Hey Crushy, who was one of the top neurosurgeons
Speaker 1: in southern California, went on this trip with us and
Speaker 1: one of the guys. We were surfing at my dad's
Speaker 1: house in Cambo, and one of the guys went over
Speaker 1: the falls and got impaled on this rock. He was
Speaker 1: kind of a novice surfer and punched punched a hole
Speaker 1: in his back and literally chipped his spine. Like thank god,
Speaker 1: he didn't have any issues. But I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: you're you're with a Navy Seal Combat Medic eighteen delta
Speaker 1: long course train and a neurosurgeon on the surf trip,
Speaker 1: so it's like if you're ever going to do that,
Speaker 1: you're pretty good hands. But they literally operated on this
Speaker 1: guy like got the chip out, sewed him up and everything,
Speaker 1: and I remember by so Hey, my friend was like,
Speaker 1: he was like, damn, like you're really good, Like he
Speaker 1: wanted to hire him as a p A and then
Speaker 1: ended up Glenn Unfortunately he was was one of the
Speaker 1: two seals that that died in and have been Gauzi incident.
Speaker 1: But I guess my point is even the met like
Speaker 1: the eighteen Delta train medics are, I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: in better hands with them than most kind of civilian
Speaker 1: train doctors that I've been to. Now that I've been
Speaker 1: out out of the military for some time now, I
Speaker 1: absolutely agree with you. When one of the comments that
Speaker 1: I make in my in My Swords and Saints look
Speaker 1: is when I deployed to the Iraq with the second
Speaker 1: Airborne Division. We arrived in Kuwait and we had to
Speaker 1: take this long road journey from Quait into the bad
Speaker 1: guy country in Iraq, and I only had me and
Speaker 1: two other doctors. And I looked at the commander and
Speaker 1: I said, look, I'm flying myself from the two doctors
Speaker 1: ahead to Iraq. You guys gonna drive through bad guy
Speaker 1: country and bad things are gonna could happen. They didn't, luckily,
Speaker 1: And he wait, wait, wait, wait, why are you taking
Speaker 1: the docks away? And I said, because the medics know
Speaker 1: that their job better than my doctors know it better
Speaker 1: than I know it, their airway, breathing circulation, and I
Speaker 1: need to be set up and ready to receive you
Speaker 1: should something bad happen. He looked at me, went really,
Speaker 1: I said, really, trust me on this one. The medics
Speaker 1: do their job better than your doctors do their jobs.
Speaker 1: And he he stayed with me on that, and and
Speaker 1: good things came of it because we sent sent people
Speaker 1: out on missions that where things did happen and the
Speaker 1: medics performed. A marvelously and related story, one of the
Speaker 1: interesting achievements that we as a as a as an
Speaker 1: expanded and more capable medical system did for Delta was
Speaker 1: one of my senior medics came to me and said,
Speaker 1: you know, dog, I got a concern. We've got three
Speaker 1: operational units here in Delta, and we only have a
Speaker 1: couple of medics assigned each one, and we don't both
Speaker 1: go on every mission. What if one of us gets
Speaker 1: hurt and I went, well, we we propiled with these
Speaker 1: I propose that we train the operators in airway breathing circulation.
Speaker 1: We get them ready to handle me if I'm a casualty,
Speaker 1: and we immediately implemented as a brilliant IDEA commander approved
Speaker 1: to put the money behind it. We trained everybody I
Speaker 1: VS tourniquets, advanced medical care. And two years after I
Speaker 1: left the unit, a six d pound bomb dropped an
Speaker 1: Afghanistan on friendly forces and unfortunately some of our guys
Speaker 1: were there and the most serious casualties were the two
Speaker 1: medics that were there. And the s garde made of
Speaker 1: the unit kadom because doctors need to tell you that
Speaker 1: you've got two medics alive today because of the program
Speaker 1: that you started when you were there. Our operators saved
Speaker 1: their life. And if you're following the news, the Rangers
Speaker 1: Army Rangers right now when they deploy, every single Ranger
Speaker 1: deploys with a trans auto transfusion kid in his leg.
Speaker 1: In his leg they now and have actually done in
Speaker 1: field under fire transfusions. If you're an own nest shouldn't
Speaker 1: say everybody. If you're an own negative blood type, you
Speaker 1: carry a transfucient kit in your uniform and they call
Speaker 1: out and in no nag, I got a casualty on
Speaker 1: the ground here. And just recently they had that happened
Speaker 1: where the rangers you know, well well providing return fire
Speaker 1: actually hooked their own cells up to a transfusion and
Speaker 1: gave it the casualty blood. I mean, there's been a
Speaker 1: couple of the nificant development by medics, right uh, I
Speaker 1: forget what I'm gonna murder the name. It was a
Speaker 1: seal medic that created that. Wasn't it like something for
Speaker 1: a sucking chest wound. It was some type of valve
Speaker 1: Asherman or a valve. Yeah, that's for that's for a
Speaker 1: numal thorax. So that second testrient it just basically a
Speaker 1: one way valve. When you breathe in the air doesn't
Speaker 1: scoop back out again, and so it allows the lung
Speaker 1: to reinflate when otherwise it would have collapsed and there's
Speaker 1: nothing you can do about it. One of my Delta
Speaker 1: medics also developed something called the Hogan straps, which is
Speaker 1: used in the UH sixty helicopters for hanging casualties. Hang
Speaker 1: three casualties on the side of the wall of the
Speaker 1: uh CC helicopter. Whereas before when you put a casualty
Speaker 1: on the floor, now bird's fall. He said, wait a minute.
Speaker 1: We got to be able to handle more than one
Speaker 1: casually at a time. So medics are always coming up
Speaker 1: with a better way, and when you give them permission
Speaker 1: to be to be good, they get great. I mean,
Speaker 1: you shared a couple of great stories with us last time,
Speaker 1: but do you have any any other stories that kind
Speaker 1: of stand out? But at the time and at the unit,
Speaker 1: and how long did you how long did you serve
Speaker 1: it in? That was command for surgeon for just under
Speaker 1: four years. And during that time, my services were called
Speaker 1: for many many times, and it always started with a
Speaker 1: eagle down was the code. We have one of those down.
Speaker 1: And you know, I we're talking about people that are
Speaker 1: close to you that have had hip problems. And I'll
Speaker 1: tell you that one of my more interesting stories was
Speaker 1: a forty three year old free fall parachutists doing routine
Speaker 1: parachuting in in in our local area. And when you know,
Speaker 1: as you know, when you're in free fall parachute, you're
Speaker 1: stable about a hundred and twenty miles an hour, and
Speaker 1: when he pulled the shoote he felt pain in his
Speaker 1: hip and he went out. But any number of reasons,
Speaker 1: you could have pain anywhere and your body an opening shock.
Speaker 1: But when he flew his shoot in, which should have
Speaker 1: been a nice soft landing right there on the X
Speaker 1: where he's supposed to, the medic was standing by, and
Speaker 1: he kind of collapsed instead of doing a soft stand up.
Speaker 1: Medic ran over and said what's up, and he goes,
Speaker 1: I don't know, a doc, you know, opening shock. I
Speaker 1: felt pained to my hip and I just landed and
Speaker 1: I feel it again. And he goes, well, let's get
Speaker 1: you in, you know, let's get you in the ambulance.
Speaker 1: Let's run you off to the clinic. Doc, we'll see you.
Speaker 1: And he goes, no, no, no no, no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: Now come on, I'm fine. I'm look, I'm standing up,
Speaker 1: I'm walking them fine. So against the medics better judgments,
Speaker 1: he said, look, I promise I'll go to shoot shake
Speaker 1: out and I'll walk go over to the clinic. So
Speaker 1: he lets him go back with the regular with the jumpers.
Speaker 1: Does this shoot shake out comes over to my clinic
Speaker 1: at five o'clock? Bad stuff always happens in the doctor's
Speaker 1: office at five o'clock, And uh, he lives in and
Speaker 1: I do his exam laying down, and it feels like
Speaker 1: he's got a broken hip because the bones crunch when
Speaker 1: I push on him. But I make the mistake of
Speaker 1: standing up to do his X ray and because we
Speaker 1: have a nice little stand up actually right there, take
Speaker 1: the picture. Look at it, and there's no sign of
Speaker 1: a fracture on his hip. So I go, well, I
Speaker 1: don't care, I don't see the fracture. I'm gonna send
Speaker 1: you the emergenet room anyway. He talks me out of it.
Speaker 1: He goes, no, no, no, I promise I'll come back
Speaker 1: in the morning. Look, it's after hours. I gotta go.
Speaker 1: You gotta go. And I went, all right, here's the
Speaker 1: only way I'm gonna let that happen. I'll let my
Speaker 1: medic drive you home, and my medic will pick you
Speaker 1: up in the morning and bring you back. But you're
Speaker 1: gonna go to oor paxon of the morning. Goes fine.
Speaker 1: It's about fifteen minutes later as I put my jack
Speaker 1: back and up heading out that during my cell phone rings,
Speaker 1: medic goes, he's dead. Doc, he's on the ground here,
Speaker 1: he's dead. I would crap. I know exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: He's bleeding internally. He ripped, He ripped that that vessel
Speaker 1: that that circles our hip with us, and he's bleeding,
Speaker 1: and he goes, what are you doing? He goes, I'm
Speaker 1: giving CPR. I said, we'll keep doing it. He goes, wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: I got a pulse and I go, great, I'm calling
Speaker 1: an ambulance to your location now, and he goes, no, know,
Speaker 1: I've already called him. I called them before I called you.
Speaker 1: And as we're talking, I hear the ambulance irons in
Speaker 1: the background, like all right, So so just stay with
Speaker 1: him steady. Let him know. We're pretty sure he broke
Speaker 1: his hip. He's bleeding internally. They got in the hospital
Speaker 1: and sure not, that's exactly what had happened. When where
Speaker 1: the hip comes together as the pubic bone touches, when
Speaker 1: you break your hip, you can't break it in one place.
Speaker 1: You have to break it into because it's a circle.
Speaker 1: So it bam. It pulled the pubic apart when it
Speaker 1: fractured the right side of his pelvis, and that tears
Speaker 1: the artery that lives behind that, and it was pumping
Speaker 1: his full of blood this whole time, and by the
Speaker 1: time they got him in a hospital. He had a
Speaker 1: basketball sized blood cloud in his pelvis. They gave him blood,
Speaker 1: they resuscitated him. He lived, God bless him, and actually
Speaker 1: did not need surgery. The surgeon said, you know, the hip,
Speaker 1: that pelvic area is self contained, so when it fills
Speaker 1: up with the basketball size of blood, it tampan on,
Speaker 1: it itself off and clotted off. Okay, long story short.
Speaker 1: Six weeks later, the guys all better, feeling great, back
Speaker 1: at work, same medics season, in the field doing a
Speaker 1: demolition work and he's really pale looking and he goes you, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm okay. I'm just a little week, you know. And
Speaker 1: my stools have been blacked for the last three days.
Speaker 1: What medicines you've taken. I'm still taking that three times
Speaker 1: in a motor and the guy gave me after my
Speaker 1: hip broke. Oh crap, Now you've got an ulcer and
Speaker 1: is bleeding. And sure enough we got him in the hospital,
Speaker 1: had to transition of two more units of blood. And
Speaker 1: the reason I tell that part of the story is
Speaker 1: a month later, he comes into me goes, hey, will
Speaker 1: you sign this chip for me to free fall parachute again.
Speaker 1: I went almost dead twice is enough? Not gonna do it?
Speaker 1: And I know you're gonna say that, I just had
Speaker 1: to ask. I remember we called motor in vitamin m
Speaker 1: ranger candy in the Army. I think this is a
Speaker 1: good point for you to kind of give the listeners
Speaker 1: some advice on hip, knee and back pain because, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we have a mostly male audience and including
Speaker 1: a couple of pro athletes. I end up meeting, uh
Speaker 1: Brent Burns, becoming friends with him. He's an all star
Speaker 1: defenseman for the Sanjose Sharks, but great player. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you got any Uh you're giving me some tips about
Speaker 1: CBD earlier, you got any big fantas CBD oil As
Speaker 1: I take it myself. It's saved me after five surgeries
Speaker 1: from a replacement, and I'm expecting to take it into
Speaker 1: old age should that ever arrive. And you know, the
Speaker 1: under the tongue CBD O once a day in the
Speaker 1: morning is an anti inflammatory, very natural, and it's in
Speaker 1: its effect. I wish I'd have had it when I
Speaker 1: was with the units. It's a recent phenomenon. It's made
Speaker 1: from the hip plant, not the marijuana plant, and some
Speaker 1: of the products that are out there have a zero
Speaker 1: points duaro THC in it, So for people that have
Speaker 1: to do drug tests, don't buy that particular one because
Speaker 1: it actually can't shop on a drug TSK even though
Speaker 1: it's physically inactive. But I'm a big fan of that
Speaker 1: and it works very very well for the arthritic conditions
Speaker 1: that come from sports over usage traumatic events such as
Speaker 1: skiing and jumping out of airplanes. It reminds me of
Speaker 1: two other quick orthopedic stories while we're on that theme.
Speaker 1: One eagle down call was when one of the operators
Speaker 1: during training was doing close quarters combat training and he
Speaker 1: grabbed a flash bang off the back of the guy
Speaker 1: in front of him. They're going in shoulder and hand
Speaker 1: on shoulders, pulls a flash bang to throw it standard procedures,
Speaker 1: and the flash bang malfunctioned and went off without the
Speaker 1: three second delay and blew his hand off basically instant.
Speaker 1: The cauter I didn't believe because it had been basically
Speaker 1: hot blast burn. He shows up in the emergency room
Speaker 1: and he's sitting there looking at his own hand, and
Speaker 1: the nurse comes up to me goes, who are these guys?
Speaker 1: You know there's a guy in there with just bones
Speaker 1: and he's looking at him and telling us about what happened,
Speaker 1: and well, these are a different bunch of guys. You know.
Speaker 1: We ended up having to amputate his most of his
Speaker 1: hand and we got him an artificial hand. It worked
Speaker 1: because I said I had unlimited money, I could buy
Speaker 1: anything I wanted, and he got the best. But he's
Speaker 1: the same guy. He showed up about two months later
Speaker 1: asked me to clear him the free fall parachute again
Speaker 1: and I went, really, no, no, I've been in the harness. Look, look,
Speaker 1: look I can, I can. I can operate the toggles
Speaker 1: and I went, can you release the safety link on
Speaker 1: your right on your left shoulder? He goes, how do
Speaker 1: you know about that? Now? Free fall parachuters too, and
Speaker 1: you can't do it? All right? I had to ask.
Speaker 1: But keeping that theme of who are these guys and
Speaker 1: brand and you're a great example of it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've read your book, read Circle and what what you
Speaker 1: went through, and I really enjoyed the the paragrapher, you're
Speaker 1: talking about being your first visitor to the to the
Speaker 1: met shed after almost an entire training period, and we're going,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, there's nothing in your record. What are
Speaker 1: you and you're a great example of what I'm about
Speaker 1: to say. You know this, this gentleman was was repelling
Speaker 1: down the side of a forty ft building and the
Speaker 1: repelling device failed and he fell most of that way
Speaker 1: in free fall. Tried to do the best parachute landing
Speaker 1: fall he could, but in the process broke all the
Speaker 1: bones in his in both fiets. So we got there,
Speaker 1: immediately got him to the operating room. I was there
Speaker 1: and the orthodic surgeon and I are trying to run
Speaker 1: wires through. You know, if this is a toe one
Speaker 1: to three joints, we'd run it here all the way
Speaker 1: back through all ten toes, lining up the pieces, getting
Speaker 1: them all lined up well to do that. At this point,
Speaker 1: and this joint, that wire has got a poke through
Speaker 1: the cartilt we were talking about earlier. Cartilage does not
Speaker 1: like being disrupted. So the surgeon looks at me and
Speaker 1: he goes, you know, Bob, I don't know how to
Speaker 1: tell you this, but this boy is not going to
Speaker 1: run again. He's not gonna walk again without pain. And
Speaker 1: I went and he said, and he was a superstar
Speaker 1: with big surgeon, And I went, all right, I'll pass
Speaker 1: that on to the commander and I went back to
Speaker 1: the same commander who told me to spend all the
Speaker 1: money I want, and I told him the same story.
Speaker 1: I said, so, I had to tell you this, but
Speaker 1: your boy's gonna heal. He's gonna be all right. But
Speaker 1: the surgeon tells me he may never walk without paying
Speaker 1: much less run again. And I remember the commander sitting
Speaker 1: back like this. He goes, Doc, you don't know what
Speaker 1: these boys are made of. And six months later that
Speaker 1: guy ran by my clinic and wave that me. Heyd
Speaker 1: and Doc, I'm sure I hurt, but he was still
Speaker 1: you know, he was back. He was back in operational.
Speaker 1: A lot of it is a meaning. You can do
Speaker 1: a lot, I personally believe when you're under forty, but
Speaker 1: a lot of us are. Unless we take care of ourselves,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna There's lots of things are gonna hurt.
Speaker 1: Absolute true. That's why I went for my swim this morning.
Speaker 1: You gotta keep the joints lumber and moving. But I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna mean I'm not gonna put on a six
Speaker 1: pound rock rock for fun anymore. It's one of those things.
Speaker 1: So I I've been a part of this community called
Speaker 1: the Young Presidents organization y p O. And I get
Speaker 1: a lot of these older guys that asked me, Hey,
Speaker 1: I want to let's do a spartan race, Let's do this,
Speaker 1: Let's do all this crazy stuff. And like guys like
Speaker 1: I'm like a Porsche in the garage. I want to
Speaker 1: wax it on the weekends and like me take it
Speaker 1: out for a nice, you know, easy spin around the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: But we're not doing anything, you know, anything crazy, Like
Speaker 1: I'm not putting on a ruck sack, I'm not running anymore.
Speaker 1: It's I'm like, I'm doing things that I can do
Speaker 1: in the old ages, yoga, swimming, surfing, And I think
Speaker 1: a lot of like my personal philosophy on on health
Speaker 1: and wellnesses, a lot of And this is a big whole.
Speaker 1: Another bag of worms is the healthcare system in America
Speaker 1: likes to treat with prescription drugs and surgery when oftentimes
Speaker 1: it's like, if your back is hurting, it's because you're overweight,
Speaker 1: you're not stretching, you're not exercising, and if you just
Speaker 1: do those things, get your alignment back, your posture back,
Speaker 1: you can kind of solve the issue. But you take
Speaker 1: a pain pill and the next thing you know, and
Speaker 1: the things start hurting, it just kind of like snowballs
Speaker 1: into these other symptoms and you just never recover. You know,
Speaker 1: You've got multiple surgeries now and you're just like totally
Speaker 1: fucked for life. Now. You you gave me the absolute
Speaker 1: perfect way to plug my book Swords and Saints. A
Speaker 1: Doctor's Journey looks back at thirty five years of medicine,
Speaker 1: and it points out how dangerous the medical system if
Speaker 1: it's not proud, really managed, and unfortunately our system is
Speaker 1: getting worse and not better. And I just retired a
Speaker 1: couple of months ago, partly out of frustration with being
Speaker 1: unable to protect my patients from the broken system that
Speaker 1: we all live in. And it is, it is very,
Speaker 1: very real. The military does a much better job than
Speaker 1: the civilian world because we're not in the military, we're
Speaker 1: not practicing for money. But in the civilian world we
Speaker 1: do way too many orthopedic operations that are not necessary,
Speaker 1: way too many spinal operations, back operations that could have
Speaker 1: easily been handled by CBD oil and rest and relaxation
Speaker 1: and physical therapy. So you're you're you you nailed it there.
Speaker 1: My friend that I talked about before, So hey, was,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't participate in this, but he was telling
Speaker 1: me this whole racket of these personal injury attorneys. They
Speaker 1: get their patients to to basically get surgery so they
Speaker 1: can claim that the you know, they've been operated on,
Speaker 1: so they can go to court and get get a
Speaker 1: higher personal injury settlement. And my friend was like, I
Speaker 1: just refused to do it. But he's like, there's plenty
Speaker 1: of like orthosurgeons and neurosurgeons that just kind of take
Speaker 1: the money, but the incentives are all out of whack, right,
Speaker 1: You've got different surgical thank COVID for one second a lot.
Speaker 1: And I want to say this because you're recording it,
Speaker 1: and I want people to hear this. If we we
Speaker 1: as doctors, are being told to write on death certificates
Speaker 1: they died of COVID when we know they didn't. At
Speaker 1: hospital systems were almost all employed now because federal government
Speaker 1: has removed the insurance companies from the anti trust anti
Speaker 1: monopoly laws or not. What the federal government did with
Speaker 1: good intention was they said, look, we're in the middle
Speaker 1: of the COVID crisis. So if you've got a COVID
Speaker 1: patient and we realized you got to buy other ppe
Speaker 1: and stuff, protective equipment. We'll pay you more if you're
Speaker 1: taking care of a COVID patient. We'll guess what happened.
Speaker 1: All the hospitals told all the doctor code everybody COVID,
Speaker 1: and so because we get paid more money for it.
Speaker 1: When you come in to see me. Under the old system,
Speaker 1: I coded you a one, two, three, or four level
Speaker 1: patient and each level I got more money for it
Speaker 1: was the max. Now I can code you level for COVID,
Speaker 1: and the hospital system makes more money and my reimbursement
Speaker 1: bonus goes up. And so one of the reasons the
Speaker 1: numbers are inflated. And even the even the World Health
Speaker 1: Organization CDC said the same thing is we're banged doctors
Speaker 1: to to code COVID, and so it's it's a broken
Speaker 1: system that is money focused. And I missed the military
Speaker 1: peace practice of medicine because I didn't have lawyers telling
Speaker 1: me what to do or boss is asking me to
Speaker 1: miss code death certificates so they can make more money. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: that's a great point you bring up. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's sad somebody that because now, I mean I've
Speaker 1: traveled quite a bit, I'm sure you have as well.
Speaker 1: But I go like I dislocated my shoulder skiing and
Speaker 1: Shamani and I had a great experience, and I paid
Speaker 1: the bill like I paid the full bill. Probably didn't
Speaker 1: have to, but it was like Bucks, they reset my
Speaker 1: shoulder X ray and me ambulance ride all in fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. That would have been an outrageous bill in
Speaker 1: the US. And it's just, you know, it sucks to
Speaker 1: think that we're living in a time in America where
Speaker 1: you know, we're feeding garbage to our kids. You know,
Speaker 1: the education system doesn't I have an incredibly smart All
Speaker 1: my kids are in probably smart. My oldest son is
Speaker 1: graduating tonight. I'm I'm finishing this to watch the live
Speaker 1: stream of his his graduation. But like at four point
Speaker 1: to g p a computer science whiz kids, perfect a
Speaker 1: c T score, gonna study artificial eligance next year. He
Speaker 1: as a part time job. We agreed he was going
Speaker 1: to run one of our one of the investments that
Speaker 1: made the self storage and he's like, Dad, I've learned
Speaker 1: so much in two months about personal finance, Like how
Speaker 1: come they don't teach us this stuff in school? Like
Speaker 1: how to stay debt free? And you know, so it's
Speaker 1: like healthcare, education. There's so much that's that's broken right
Speaker 1: now in America. Just nutrition, right, the school system needs
Speaker 1: our kids garbage and no wonder they have diabetes and cancer.
Speaker 1: And even the hospital system right like the takes teach
Speaker 1: some of the most basic nutritional interventions that can help people.
Speaker 1: You know, go back to the COVID for a minute.
Speaker 1: People have been pointing out the dark skinned races are
Speaker 1: dying more frequently from COVID, but we know one of
Speaker 1: the factors that that the reason is is their vitamin
Speaker 1: D deficient. Dark skinned races take a lot more sunshine
Speaker 1: to get the same amount of vitamin D that as
Speaker 1: pale skin folks need to get to have adequate levels,
Speaker 1: and we're now giving it as a treatment modality. Everybody
Speaker 1: gets vitamin D. But does the news report do they
Speaker 1: teach people how to be well? No, they report the crisis.
Speaker 1: They don't teach people how to be well. It's not
Speaker 1: taught in schools, is not taught in our in our
Speaker 1: basic news media because that's not doesn't making people well,
Speaker 1: doesn't sell advertisements. So it's you know, it's a sad
Speaker 1: and broken system. I just hope I mean, thankfully we
Speaker 1: still live in a country where we can change stuff.
Speaker 1: But it's I remember watching uh I forget this series.
Speaker 1: I think it was called The Newsroom, and this guy
Speaker 1: went on a rant on, how you know America is
Speaker 1: not the greatest country anymore? And you know, I look
Speaker 1: at my time Harvard Business School. My friend runs a
Speaker 1: billion dollar business processing visas all over the world. He's
Speaker 1: headquartered in Switzerland. He's like I applied for basically payroll
Speaker 1: detection relief in Switzerland. It was a one page document.
Speaker 1: I filled it out at nine am in the morning
Speaker 1: and by four pm I had I had the money
Speaker 1: in my bank account. I think you're afraid of the
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six movie network. I think I get in
Speaker 1: front of the TV camp mad as hell and I'm
Speaker 1: not taking this anymore. Go for it. But God got
Speaker 1: that COVID things interesting because I mean it, it does
Speaker 1: make sense, you know that, because I had a friend
Speaker 1: of mine who's in banking, lost his father. His father
Speaker 1: was waste, but he didn't have the symptoms of COVID
Speaker 1: and they classified him as a COVID death. And the
Speaker 1: families like, this doesn't make sense to us, but they
Speaker 1: couldn't even like, yeah, they couldn't even like check right there.
Speaker 1: He couldn't even show up for the funeral. Paper this
Speaker 1: week reported a hundred year old woman of the COVID virus.
Speaker 1: And I went, probably not, but I letn't sell newspapers.
Speaker 1: And anyway, I gotta tell one quick Delta and Seal
Speaker 1: story and and and maybe if we're running out of time,
Speaker 1: you can you can close it on this. But one
Speaker 1: of our compadres that made well of himself from my
Speaker 1: era was Admiral Eric Olson, our first forced our Navy
Speaker 1: seal And the day I reported to Delta as the
Speaker 1: Delta Force Surgeon, he reported in as the commander of
Speaker 1: Seal Team six. And we both went to the same
Speaker 1: indoctrination briefing, looked at each other. We're classmates from the
Speaker 1: Naval Academy. Go, what are you doing here? Said? I
Speaker 1: work here? Well, me too, how about that? But the
Speaker 1: reason I tell that story is every three months, the
Speaker 1: Tier one units get together as a team and they
Speaker 1: put on demonstrations for congressmen and general officers and of
Speaker 1: all services to show them what our capabilities are. And
Speaker 1: almost inevitably, either the Delta Force commander or the Seal
Speaker 1: team Sex commander would come up to me because I've
Speaker 1: been there on both sides. So Doc, who's better Delta
Speaker 1: or Seal? And I said, it always depend on who asked,
Speaker 1: you know. The Delta guy goes, they're not as good
Speaker 1: as we are. They oh, absolutely not, So couldn't hold
Speaker 1: a candle to yet, and come up to me goes,
Speaker 1: what do you think? What do you think those Delta
Speaker 1: guys they can't do a week and do? Oh, absolutely
Speaker 1: not good and hold the candle to you. I played
Speaker 1: that game with him back and forth. They both knew
Speaker 1: that without each other, you know, the force was weakened,
Speaker 1: but the competition never ended. I got a big kick
Speaker 1: out of that. That's fine, that's a good story. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that's a good good note, tend On. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming back with us for a second time.
Speaker 1: Would love to stay in touch. I'm definitely gonna look
Speaker 1: you up as I'm flying through on my way back,
Speaker 1: probably because I'm gonna hit the Northern States this summer,
Speaker 1: but we'll definitely hit at the Carolinas on the way back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been great, Bob. I love to say for you,
Speaker 1: so come come share one with me. Yeah, I will,
Speaker 1: for sure, Yeah, I will, definitely it'll be me and
Speaker 1: the girlfriend flying the flying back. But we're it'd be
Speaker 1: great to me in person and appreciate the time. And
Speaker 1: you've got a great story. So anything we can do
Speaker 1: to to kind of promote the books, let me know
Speaker 1: any anything, anytime. Well, thank you, I appreciate the offer
Speaker 1: very much. Just put the links out there and well
Speaker 1: I'll let you know how it goes. All right, you
Speaker 1: got a buddy, all right, all right, yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: thanks everybody for tuning in. I hope you enjoyed that
Speaker 1: second session with Bob. What a great guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: guy that served as a Navy seal, became a doctor
Speaker 1: and then went back into the Special Forces as a
Speaker 1: as a Delta Force surgeon and ran the medical program
Speaker 1: at Delta and then went on to have a practice.
Speaker 1: Just an incredible background. Glad to uh have him on
Speaker 1: the show. I hope you guys enjoyed that. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure we'll get we'll get bobbed back and get some
Speaker 1: more crazy stories out of them. Especially we only got one.
Speaker 1: I p a deep this evening, but hopefully we'll we'll
Speaker 1: get we'll pump some beers in a pop and get
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