Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm never told your production of I Heart Media. So
Speaker 1: as this publishes, Um, it is June tent here in America,
Speaker 1: which is a national holiday celebrating the end of slavery. Um,
Speaker 1: so that's June, because you know, who knows when you
Speaker 1: were actually listening to this, right of course, everything is
Speaker 1: always a little different in podcast world, and then put
Speaker 1: onto that pandemic world, that just changes dates altogether. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought it was like August yesterday, right, so, and
Speaker 1: it is not. It is. I just figured out it
Speaker 1: wasn't February. So we're doing really well, which I can't
Speaker 1: even say the word February really Uh so that's even
Speaker 1: more fun. One of my least favorite months because I
Speaker 1: can't say it and I have to completely say it
Speaker 1: all the time because it's for some reason that's when
Speaker 1: time stopped. Yeah, it's like the last time we were
Speaker 1: out right essentially it was March, but we were under
Speaker 1: the panic, was starting to get into the panic mode
Speaker 1: of that. But for those of you who are not
Speaker 1: in the US, Um, June again, as you was saying,
Speaker 1: was the celebration at the end of slavery, and honestly,
Speaker 1: it actually hasn't come to the forefront. Two. I guess um,
Speaker 1: I don't know what else say other than white culture,
Speaker 1: um main culture because it is dictated by white culture
Speaker 1: in the U. S uh for many people, because we
Speaker 1: liked to neglect history, especially when it's something that as
Speaker 1: as divisive as race. And even though you would make
Speaker 1: it makes sense because it was a good thing and
Speaker 1: we should celebrate, um, the end of something so horrid.
Speaker 1: But as you can tell, with all the protests and
Speaker 1: all of the things that are happening in the US,
Speaker 1: we're not always on the same page, and it sucks,
Speaker 1: but we will definitely think that is an important and
Speaker 1: we didn't want to talk about it. And I will
Speaker 1: say from my own ignorance, I didn't learn about Juneteenth
Speaker 1: until I started working when I was in my government job,
Speaker 1: and the majority of the workers in my field are
Speaker 1: people of color. So when I had heard of Juneteenth
Speaker 1: and I was like, what is that? It really was
Speaker 1: about fifteen years ago that I actually learned about it.
Speaker 1: And it's obnoxious and so sad to me that it
Speaker 1: took that long, and it took into my mid twenties
Speaker 1: to know what the hell was happening? Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like I learned about it in high school and civics,
Speaker 1: but it was sort of just like maybe literally a sentence. Um.
Speaker 1: And then when I moved to Atlanta, I did but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a shame. UM. So for that sort of related
Speaker 1: we thought we would do an episode on women and
Speaker 1: organizing since we are seeing that a lot of that
Speaker 1: right now, and that is a space that black women
Speaker 1: have shown a lot of leadership in now and historically,
Speaker 1: and so there's a lot of ground to cover and
Speaker 1: this and this one. So it's a two parter and
Speaker 1: pretty much everything we mentioned could be an entire episode.
Speaker 1: Everything and everyone, UM, And if you want, if you're
Speaker 1: listening and there's a specific topic or person that you
Speaker 1: want us to focus it on for an entire episode,
Speaker 1: as always, let us know we're happy to hear from you. UM.
Speaker 1: Also disclaimer, almost everything and everyone we're talking about, UM,
Speaker 1: we're a part of they were a part of several
Speaker 1: complex social narratives. And there's a whole history behind every
Speaker 1: story we're telling of unrest that culminated into a specific
Speaker 1: thing or things that they're known for. I just want
Speaker 1: to put that out there because some of these protests
Speaker 1: are marches, we're going to mention there was just so
Speaker 1: much leading up to them. And sometimes it can sound like, oh,
Speaker 1: there was one event and people protested it, but almost
Speaker 1: always there were so much history that was leading up
Speaker 1: to that thing, right, and just to add to that,
Speaker 1: as she is saying, yes, these are such broad topics
Speaker 1: as well as the fact that these people are iconic.
Speaker 1: If we were mentioning them that, yeah, we kind of
Speaker 1: just dumped it down to three sentences, maybe because we
Speaker 1: were just thought that it was so important that we
Speaker 1: do at least talk a little bit about them and
Speaker 1: if nothing else, a yes, let us know. If you
Speaker 1: were like, hey, tell me more about this one. Can
Speaker 1: you please research it or be you can research it yourself, um,
Speaker 1: which is fantastic because I will tell you trying to
Speaker 1: research this, I had ten thousand tabs up and it
Speaker 1: completely drove me a little over the edge because there's
Speaker 1: so much and trying to narrow down some of this
Speaker 1: conversation was it felt like I was sacked facing things
Speaker 1: because I wanted to talk so much about so many things.
Speaker 1: But yes, this ended up being a two parter, and overall,
Speaker 1: FEMS women who are and those who identify as females
Speaker 1: who are just badasses that came together and had enough
Speaker 1: and said this is what we're gonna do. Also, Yes,
Speaker 1: as we said earlier, it's been a very long month, UM,
Speaker 1: but honestly it's been productive. And I say that due
Speaker 1: to the fact of the many tragedies and injustices that
Speaker 1: have played our nation, and that we've been ignoring um
Speaker 1: and pretty much everywhere for well, I guess kind of
Speaker 1: since the beginning of time. Let's just say it that way.
Speaker 1: With the tragedies and murders of the people of the
Speaker 1: black community, people have come together and are following the
Speaker 1: lead of the black community to protests and speak out
Speaker 1: against injustices with rallies, gathering and marches, and so we
Speaker 1: kind of wanted to honor what's going on, to talk
Speaker 1: about historical context of what some marches or protests were
Speaker 1: able to accomplish or have done, or why it was important.
Speaker 1: And as a result of people organizing and being out
Speaker 1: in the streets every day, we are seeing changes and
Speaker 1: in the United States, even if we look at just
Speaker 1: public opinion or or actual changes in in things like
Speaker 1: um policing and a lot of the steps we have
Speaker 1: seen are small, and we need to take more steps.
Speaker 1: But but that is encouraging. We are seeing things happen
Speaker 1: because directly because of people doing this work. UM. And
Speaker 1: as we we've seen that if you look back in history, UM,
Speaker 1: the effectiveness and the power in protesting and marching. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we are going to be doing a quick rundown or
Speaker 1: spotlight on some of the big big events in history
Speaker 1: when it comes to that. UM. And yeah, this is
Speaker 1: a pretty condensed look at those things. And also there's
Speaker 1: just so many uh, we could have talked about. UM.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the underground railroad earlier than organizing
Speaker 1: around that. UM. But yeah, here are some some women
Speaker 1: in their roles in past protests and rebellions that we
Speaker 1: wanted to to highlight today. And we're gonna start outside
Speaker 1: of the US doing a conversation about the women's march
Speaker 1: on for Silles. So during the wild times, yes I
Speaker 1: said the wild times, this is completely inappropriate when talking
Speaker 1: about this, but the wild times of the French Revolution,
Speaker 1: which when French royalty held court in Versailles, due to
Speaker 1: the lack of food and scarcely of bread, a woman
Speaker 1: began marching down the streets with a drama which actually
Speaker 1: garnered a lot of attention, and others began to join
Speaker 1: her march. The numbers grew to be thousands and many
Speaker 1: joined as a part of this uncivil uprising. And though
Speaker 1: it began as a peaceful thing, many of the people
Speaker 1: started gathering weapons like kitchen knives and even muskets and swords.
Speaker 1: They gathered even more weapons and food and essentials from
Speaker 1: the city hall. Uh. The gathering started simply due to
Speaker 1: the lack of bread, but grew to be a demand
Speaker 1: to end the food scarcity as well as an idea
Speaker 1: of being armed for the ongoing revolution. And it did.
Speaker 1: It was I'm sure a lot of you know about
Speaker 1: the French Revolution and all of the changes that came
Speaker 1: from that. Uh. Oh my gosh, so many things so
Speaker 1: we can talk about there. But yeah, essentially a woman
Speaker 1: started it, uh, protesting with bread about lack of bread.
Speaker 1: The things I know about the French Revolution include the
Speaker 1: things that I learned from Lamas. So there's that amazing, right. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I've never seen Lamas, but I love. One of my
Speaker 1: favorite SNL skits is the on Laney Lobster Diner Lobster one,
Speaker 1: so I don't know if I know this one. Oh gosh,
Speaker 1: I yes, yes, um, And we're in a transition, and
Speaker 1: I did want to start talking about Mary Harris Jones,
Speaker 1: otherwise known as Mother Jones, and just in case you
Speaker 1: don't know who she is, we wanted to make sure
Speaker 1: to give you a brief overview of her. So she's
Speaker 1: been discussed before on the show with other hosts when
Speaker 1: they were discussing the Women's March and the Suffragets and
Speaker 1: the labor movement. But you can never have too much information,
Speaker 1: right m That's that's what I say. So. Mary Harris
Speaker 1: Jones was an Irish immigrant who was a leader and
Speaker 1: organizer for many protests and strikes in the labor movement
Speaker 1: in the US. She became an iconic figure to the
Speaker 1: movement with her leading into it as a maternal figurehead
Speaker 1: for the actual movement. So after she lost her entire
Speaker 1: family to yellow fever at the age of thirty, she
Speaker 1: dressed only in black and often wore antique dresses and
Speaker 1: would purposely aged herself to seem more motherly. She was
Speaker 1: known and called Mother Jones or sometimes just Mother during
Speaker 1: her time of activism, and she traveled around the country
Speaker 1: leading strikes and protests for miners, unions and child workers.
Speaker 1: And that's miners as an m I N E r s,
Speaker 1: not like young folks. Um, although she was. She was
Speaker 1: for them to both of um yeah yeah, yeah both.
Speaker 1: In three she organized the March of the Mill Children
Speaker 1: and went from Philadelphia to Long Island, which is where
Speaker 1: President Theodore Roosevelt's summer home was located. Her activism and
Speaker 1: leadership led to the growth of different labor unions as
Speaker 1: well as bringing attention to the corrupt politicians and businesses
Speaker 1: around the country, which I cannot believe happened. That she
Speaker 1: was able to lead. That she was hired all over
Speaker 1: the country to speak out rallies and gatherings throughout the
Speaker 1: labor movement, and she wrote articles from magazines and newspapers
Speaker 1: to rally the working people and become again the figurehead
Speaker 1: for this labor movement. But with all of this, she
Speaker 1: actually was not a fan of women's right to vote.
Speaker 1: She would often state that voting was not what would
Speaker 1: change things and help the suffering of miners and laborers,
Speaker 1: but she would say that voting was a class this
Speaker 1: idea that would not help the poor. She also was
Speaker 1: more into the traditional idea of women keeping their place
Speaker 1: in the home, that cult of domesticity, perhaps saying that
Speaker 1: the husband's and men's job needed to be paid more
Speaker 1: to help maintain this household. So there is that, right. So,
Speaker 1: around the same time, which is why she said all
Speaker 1: these things, the Suffragette movement was happening. Um. And we're
Speaker 1: not going to stick too long on the topic of suffragetts,
Speaker 1: as it's been discussed a few times on the show,
Speaker 1: but we want to do a quick review and also
Speaker 1: take a closer look at the segregation and how the
Speaker 1: black women who were actually part of the movement were
Speaker 1: oftentimes excluded from the conversation or even events. Right. So
Speaker 1: if we start with the Seneca Falls Convention, Um, that
Speaker 1: kind of marked the beginning of the movement, where reformists
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Katie Stanton and Lucretia Mott held a meeting in
Speaker 1: eight to discuss the overall issues of rights for women.
Speaker 1: This was during the time of the idea of the
Speaker 1: cult of true womanhood, which was the idea that quote,
Speaker 1: true women were submissive, dutiful to their families and husbands,
Speaker 1: and of course pious. Um. Yeah, yeah, that we both
Speaker 1: kind of made that hand out. That's what pious conjurors,
Speaker 1: in my mind to um, so that that slowly fell
Speaker 1: out of favor, which is why reformers started coming together
Speaker 1: to discuss the need for women to be able to
Speaker 1: practice their political and civil rights. The Convention was a
Speaker 1: two day affair where sessions were offered for discussions, forums,
Speaker 1: and lectures of women and their role in society. It
Speaker 1: was during this time that the Declaration of Sentiments, our
Speaker 1: Declaration of Rights and Sentiments was created and by one
Speaker 1: hundred of the attendees at the Convention, which did include
Speaker 1: thirty two men. The declaration was modeled after the Declaration
Speaker 1: of Independence. And even though it was a big time
Speaker 1: for women and women leadership UH, the call of suffrage,
Speaker 1: suffrage was actually not something that all of the women
Speaker 1: and other participants agreed on. It wasn't until Frederick Douglas
Speaker 1: made an impassioned appeal UM that they added it to
Speaker 1: the declaration right and during the movement, paradise and protests
Speaker 1: and pickets were utilized to raise their voices and bring
Speaker 1: attention to the need for equal representation UM, including the
Speaker 1: Suffrage Parade of nineteen thirteen and and the pickets in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixteen and nineteen seventeen, which led to the rest
Speaker 1: of two and eighteen women, and the rested women were
Speaker 1: placed at workhouses located in Virginia, which eventually led to
Speaker 1: public outrage over the treatment of the women in the
Speaker 1: jails that led to the nineteenth Amendment. The suffragette movement
Speaker 1: was a large coalition of different organizations during their time,
Speaker 1: including the National Women's Sufrage Association, National Women's Party, and
Speaker 1: the National American Women's Suffrage Association. And then there was
Speaker 1: one specifically ran by Ida B. Wells called the Alpha
Speaker 1: Suffrage Club, which was one of the few African American
Speaker 1: ran movements and coalitions and organizations at that time. Something
Speaker 1: else we did want to talk about was leaving Black
Speaker 1: women out of this whole thing when we look at
Speaker 1: the suffraget movement. But first we're gonna pause for equip
Speaker 1: break for a word from our sponsor, and we're back,
Speaker 1: thank you sponsor. So, yeah, we did want to talk
Speaker 1: about how Black women we're sort of left out of
Speaker 1: a lot of these things happening with the suffraget movement.
Speaker 1: Um they're being pulled in two different directions, two different movements.
Speaker 1: Women's suffrage and abolition. So in the late eighteen hundreds,
Speaker 1: Black women were very active politically and would often be
Speaker 1: a part of the many political meetings and organizations that
Speaker 1: were going on. Many of the African American women not
Speaker 1: only attended many political gatherings, but they also worked at churches, newspapers,
Speaker 1: and colleges which would give them platforms discussed and criticize
Speaker 1: the need for the women's suffrage movement as well as
Speaker 1: being abolitionists and civil rights advocates. But with that, African
Speaker 1: American women were often excluded from planning and organizing are
Speaker 1: just left out altogether. The in a w s A
Speaker 1: even prevented African American women from attending their conventions. But
Speaker 1: even with all that, there are several African American women
Speaker 1: of note who pushed forward and became icons in the
Speaker 1: movement and continued to fight for women and their right
Speaker 1: to vote right. And we kind of already mentioned out
Speaker 1: to be Wells And as we already discussed, there was
Speaker 1: a big divide when it came to support for back
Speaker 1: women and women of color when he came to well
Speaker 1: everything including the suffragette movement, and though they were not supportive,
Speaker 1: Black women still supported the movement marched with them, and
Speaker 1: as we already talked about, activist Ida B. Wells worked
Speaker 1: for the women's right to vote as well as being
Speaker 1: an activist for anti lynching and abolition. She helped to
Speaker 1: create the Alpha Suffrage Club, which gave boys for African
Speaker 1: American women when the rest of the suffragette clubs and
Speaker 1: organizations did not include nor allow them to participate. Another
Speaker 1: civil rights leader and part of the suffragette movement was
Speaker 1: Josephine st. Pierre Ruffin. She, along with Lucy Stone and
Speaker 1: Julia ward How began the American Women's Suffrage Association, which
Speaker 1: worked exclusively on the suffrage movement while other organizations worked
Speaker 1: on that within broader gender issues. She also organized the
Speaker 1: Women's Era Club, which was one of the very first
Speaker 1: African American women's organizations. In eighteen ninety four, and she
Speaker 1: and Charlotte Forten grim Key, who was a poet and
Speaker 1: teacher in civil rights activists, formed the National Association of
Speaker 1: Colored Women. And we should also note that that their
Speaker 1: motto was lifting as we climb and their goal was
Speaker 1: to quote uplift Black women as they climb. And it's
Speaker 1: something to talk about that that's kind of been an
Speaker 1: underlying theme as this new wave of protests have been
Speaker 1: happening recently about uplifting women and bringing each other up.
Speaker 1: And I love I love that. Um Again, we want
Speaker 1: to talk about another big name in the suffrage movement,
Speaker 1: Nanny Helen Burrows. Much like the other two women discussed above,
Speaker 1: she believed the success and survival for women, specifically African
Speaker 1: American women was education and skills training. She was able
Speaker 1: to establish a school for poor working African American women
Speaker 1: after she was denied a teaching position in d C.
Speaker 1: She created a school within monetary support from women and children,
Speaker 1: which typically were not large amounts, but she was able
Speaker 1: to collect enough to open the National Training School for
Speaker 1: Women and Girls. And before she opened the school, Nanny
Speaker 1: was part of a different organization, including the Women's Auxiliary,
Speaker 1: which under her leadership, became heavily involved with the suffrage
Speaker 1: movement and reform. As one article stated quote, she believed
Speaker 1: suffrage from American women was crucial to protect their interests
Speaker 1: in often discriminatory society, which I love. Yes, someone else
Speaker 1: we wanted to mention was Mary McLeod Bethune And if
Speaker 1: you don't know her name, you definitely should look her
Speaker 1: up because she did something. She did a lot um.
Speaker 1: She was a teacher, a leader, a businesswoman, and a
Speaker 1: government official. After moving to Florida, where she taught as
Speaker 1: well as sold insurance, she opened a boarding school in
Speaker 1: um Datona Beach that was dedicated to teaching black girls
Speaker 1: um literacy and industrial skills, which eventually became a college
Speaker 1: that would later merge with an all male college and
Speaker 1: be renamed the besune Own Cookman College. And she founded
Speaker 1: many different organizations and led voter registration drives after women
Speaker 1: were given the right to vote. She became president of
Speaker 1: the National Association of the Colored Women's Club, and she
Speaker 1: was founding president of a national Council for Black Women.
Speaker 1: She eventually was appointed by President Franklin Roosevelt as a
Speaker 1: Director for Black Affairs of the National Youth Administration. She
Speaker 1: was the quote unofficial leader of FDR's Black Cabinet. She
Speaker 1: fought to end lynching and discrimination and organize a conference
Speaker 1: around the problems of black people and specifically black young
Speaker 1: people in ninety seven. She was later appointed by President
Speaker 1: Truman as the only woman of color at the founding
Speaker 1: Conference of the United Nations. And we also wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about Lucy Parsons, who was actually a self proclaimed anarchist,
Speaker 1: And when I was researching her, it just seemed so
Speaker 1: eerie because some of the things that she was saying
Speaker 1: is so along the lines of what's happening today and
Speaker 1: what's being said today, specifically to police brutality as well
Speaker 1: as UM socialism and capitalism. So I've thought that this
Speaker 1: was definitely someone we wanted to talk about, so for
Speaker 1: for those of you who don't know, Actually, the Chicago
Speaker 1: Police Department stated that she and her husband, Albert Parsons
Speaker 1: were quote more dangerous than a thousand rioters. UM. She
Speaker 1: and her husband were activists involved in the labor movement,
Speaker 1: and we're activists for political prisoners, people of color, and
Speaker 1: the homeless in women. She continued to be active in
Speaker 1: her writing and speaking for the labor movement and for
Speaker 1: the Socialist Party even after her husband's death. She led
Speaker 1: marches for working steamshis in Chicago was a part of
Speaker 1: the Haymarket affair, which started as a peaceful event in
Speaker 1: support of the eight hour work day UM but by
Speaker 1: the way, this is also called the Haymarket Riots or
Speaker 1: Haymarket massacre, where her husband Albert Parsons, who it's good
Speaker 1: to know was white and Um. She and her husband
Speaker 1: left Texas due to the fact that interracial relationships and
Speaker 1: Mary just were not condoned right UM where her husband
Speaker 1: Albert Person spoke and would later be executed for conspiracy
Speaker 1: for the rally, though many phil it was a frame
Speaker 1: job and that the rally was actually peaceful. Um. She
Speaker 1: later focused her activism to poverty and an unemployment and
Speaker 1: would lead more protests and hunger strikes, including the Chicago
Speaker 1: hunger demonstrations in January nineteen fifteen, which led to the
Speaker 1: several organizations coming together for a large protest on February
Speaker 1: twelve of that year. She was a part of different
Speaker 1: organizations including the Industrial Workers of the World, the National
Speaker 1: Committee of the International Layer Defense, and also joined the
Speaker 1: Communist Party in nineteen thirty nine. And if you have
Speaker 1: not actually seen or read any part of her speech
Speaker 1: where she says I am an anarchist, you should. It
Speaker 1: is a powerful, powerful speech and again it's aerially relatable
Speaker 1: to today. Yes, yes it is, UM And we did
Speaker 1: want to talk about the modern civil rights movement as well.
Speaker 1: But first we're going to take one more quick break
Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsor and we're back, Thank
Speaker 1: you sponsor. And yeah, we wanted to look at some
Speaker 1: of the women behind the modern civil rights movement, and
Speaker 1: this is one of those that could and should and
Speaker 1: probably in the future will be its own episode or
Speaker 1: probably episodes. But yeah, we did want to look at
Speaker 1: some of the powerful women involved in this movement. And
Speaker 1: we're not going to talk too much about the people
Speaker 1: who are well known, but wanted to focus on some
Speaker 1: of the women that we don't typically hear as much about,
Speaker 1: For example, Diane nash Um. So of course nash is
Speaker 1: not unknown, but we did want to make sure that
Speaker 1: we highlight how big her part in the protest within
Speaker 1: the movement was. As a student leader for the movement
Speaker 1: in Tennessee, she was one of the organizers for many
Speaker 1: of the sit ins and protests in that area. She
Speaker 1: became the chairman or chairwoman for the Student Non Violent
Speaker 1: Coordinating Committee or s n c C, which was a
Speaker 1: youth civil rights organization that worked with direct action campaigns.
Speaker 1: As the leader, she was able to organize a bunch
Speaker 1: of sit ins at lunch counters around the city, which
Speaker 1: eventually led to being the first Southern city to desegregate
Speaker 1: these businesses. She also, much like the African American activists
Speaker 1: of the Suffragets movement, worked for the rights of African
Speaker 1: Americans to vote. She co initiated the Alabama Voting Rights
Speaker 1: Project and worked with the Selma Voting Rights Movement. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because of her active and her leadership, she would be
Speaker 1: arrested on several occasions, including being threatened with two years
Speaker 1: in jail for quote contributing to the delinquency of minors
Speaker 1: for teaching non valid actions to college studies. Um, it
Speaker 1: is something to note that she was released after ten days,
Speaker 1: but it happened just because of the judge just let
Speaker 1: them go, like, just let the charges go. And she believes,
Speaker 1: actually she did stay that she believed it may have
Speaker 1: something to do with the phone taps and the conversations
Speaker 1: that was happening between her and other people, and because
Speaker 1: of that they released her in fear of causing more rioting.
Speaker 1: And oh and because also she was pregnant, so that
Speaker 1: also has something to do with it as well. She
Speaker 1: continued to work in activism as housing rights advocate and
Speaker 1: worked with low income communities in the Chicago area, and
Speaker 1: just a few years ago she actually helped raise funds
Speaker 1: for the autopsy of Rex Delle Henry, who was a
Speaker 1: Native American man arrested and who was found dead under
Speaker 1: suspicious circumstances while incarcerated. And yes, she is still alive,
Speaker 1: and they have interviewed her about the Black Lives movement
Speaker 1: and she says she's a full supporter, So it's really
Speaker 1: cool to see what she has done and continues to
Speaker 1: support today rights um And then we wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about Johnny Carr, who was an activist and was childhood
Speaker 1: friends with Rosa Parks and she was a big component
Speaker 1: of the Montgomery Bus Boycats. She and her husband also
Speaker 1: filed a lawsuit against the Montgomery County School Board to
Speaker 1: integrate their school system with their son as the litigant
Speaker 1: against the school in nineteen sixty four and won their case.
Speaker 1: They won their case in nine sixty nine. Speaking of
Speaker 1: Rosa Parks, so we did want to bring attention to
Speaker 1: Claudet Colvin, who was actually rested nine months before Rosa
Speaker 1: Parks for not moving to the back of the bus.
Speaker 1: She was fifteen years old at the time and she
Speaker 1: was one of four in the lawsuit Brouter versus Gayl
Speaker 1: The court case that successfully overturned bus segregation laws and
Speaker 1: Montgomery and Alabama at large. According to an interview she gave,
Speaker 1: she stated she felt she was not as well known
Speaker 1: and recognized because she didn't fit the narrative as well
Speaker 1: as Rosa Parks. She said Mrs Parks had quote the
Speaker 1: right hair and the right look, and that she quote
Speaker 1: fit the profile. She also said that Mrs Parks was
Speaker 1: an adult as where she was a teenager, and she
Speaker 1: felt that the consensus was that an adult would be
Speaker 1: more reliable, right. I think it was really interesting because
Speaker 1: they were saying, why do you think you weren't as
Speaker 1: well known or why was Rosa Parks the beginning of
Speaker 1: the movement when in actuality you were the first to
Speaker 1: say I'm not moving um, and that that was the
Speaker 1: reasoning behind it. In the recent interview, and her history
Speaker 1: is kind of sad actually when you look at all
Speaker 1: the things that she had to go through, but she
Speaker 1: was a big part of what happened. We also wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about Dorothy Height and I don't doubt many
Speaker 1: of you already know who she is, as she was
Speaker 1: given the title of godmother of the civil rights movement,
Speaker 1: but as a fellow social worker. I wanted to just
Speaker 1: bring her up for people to remember how amazing she was,
Speaker 1: because we should right right. She was a protege of
Speaker 1: Mary mccleud Bethune, who we talked about earlier in regards
Speaker 1: to the Suffragette movement, and she was known for organizing
Speaker 1: many events and protests during the modern civil rights movement,
Speaker 1: including the nineteen sixty three March on Washington, But she
Speaker 1: also worked to bring awareness to the victimization of women,
Speaker 1: specifically women of color, black women in the domestic workfield.
Speaker 1: To add to this, she is known as one of
Speaker 1: the first to openly acknowledge the intersectional need to advocate
Speaker 1: for racial and gender rights as well. Before they were
Speaker 1: seen as two separate fights. Hype brought both to the
Speaker 1: forefront and understanding for Black women they couldn't just fight
Speaker 1: for one without the other. And to the point, during
Speaker 1: the early sixties, she instituted a Wednesdays in Mississippi which
Speaker 1: brought white women and black women together from all over
Speaker 1: to talk and have an open dialogue. She became a
Speaker 1: mediator to help communicate and to effectively teach uh just
Speaker 1: She was a powerhouse to say the least, you know
Speaker 1: I just realized. Yes I didn't just realize that, but yes,
Speaker 1: I agree. But we never played Suffragetto. Oh yeah, we
Speaker 1: need to, you know. I wonder if that's the game
Speaker 1: we can play in uh in our virtual hang out?
Speaker 1: Can we do that virtually? I'll look into it. I'll
Speaker 1: look into it. But yeah, I really want to play
Speaker 1: stuff for Jetto. So something else that I wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about is this idea I've been mulling over for
Speaker 1: a while, which is protest cookbooks and just food as
Speaker 1: a form of protest um. And so yeah, if if
Speaker 1: you look at food, it is very political and press
Speaker 1: communities and historically black communities have used food for protests
Speaker 1: as protest um. After all, the resistance has to be fueled.
Speaker 1: And we're seeing this now people handing out water in
Speaker 1: granola bars at protest or here in Georgia there's that
Speaker 1: pizza delivery to two people waiting hours online at the
Speaker 1: polls to vote um from the time and slave people
Speaker 1: were forcefully brought here and they fought to keep their
Speaker 1: cuisines alive, to rating the food of white plantation owners,
Speaker 1: to pass encoded messages at food gatherings at churches, to
Speaker 1: farming and highly gentrified areas, two sit ins at restaurants. UM.
Speaker 1: When it comes to the civil rights movement in America,
Speaker 1: you had women like Georgia Gilmore, after losing her job
Speaker 1: as a cafeteria worker in Montgomery, started using her home
Speaker 1: to feed leaders of the movement, and she founded the
Speaker 1: Club from Nowhere, which was a club that sold baked
Speaker 1: goods at churches to raise funds for the protest. Here
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, we have a restaurant called Pascal's, which was
Speaker 1: one of the few white tablecloth restaurants that allowed black
Speaker 1: people to dine in at the time, and it became
Speaker 1: a hub for planning protests. And if we look at
Speaker 1: the Black Panther Party formed in nineteen six, the founders
Speaker 1: included food as a part of their ten points program
Speaker 1: quote we want land, bread, housing, education, clothing, justice and peace.
Speaker 1: They also implemented the free breakfast program to feed students
Speaker 1: in their communities, particularly black student UM and then the
Speaker 1: government conducted raids on these two an attempt to stop
Speaker 1: the program, but eventually went on to adopt the program. UM.
Speaker 1: Having within our schools those kind of things. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I feel like I've been thinking about this
Speaker 1: a lot for the other podcast, I do savor and
Speaker 1: just how food has been used in this way, and
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times it gets left out
Speaker 1: or it isn't thought about. But yeah, yeah, and as
Speaker 1: we see today is still uh a conversation whether we're
Speaker 1: talking about EBT and food stamps or we're talking about
Speaker 1: the free lunch program and lunch debt, lunch school debt,
Speaker 1: which has been a big part of the political conversation
Speaker 1: with our current administration, as if that is a privilege
Speaker 1: instead of the fact that we're actually trying to provide
Speaker 1: for these children. And why are we holding these over
Speaker 1: their heads like they're adults who are trying to cheat
Speaker 1: the system. It's so absurd. But yeah, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: This is a big point of contention, and it is
Speaker 1: a big part of why many of the protests have happened,
Speaker 1: whether it is because of homelessness or or the lack
Speaker 1: of food. Right, and and um, if you want, if
Speaker 1: if this is something you're curious in, you can search
Speaker 1: protest cookbooks and you'll get a wide range of things.
Speaker 1: But some of them are you know, here's how to
Speaker 1: cook for a protest, and some are just reclaiming foods
Speaker 1: than histories that have been appropriated. So it's something I
Speaker 1: personally find really fascinating. So it's covered a lot of Groundsmantha,
Speaker 1: Um we have, but I know it is both somehow
Speaker 1: a lot of just very surface area. But we do
Speaker 1: have a lot more we want to talk about. However,
Speaker 1: this is the end of part one, so now we
Speaker 1: have a cliffhanger. What other protests and organizations are we
Speaker 1: going to talk about? It's a mystery. You'll have to
Speaker 1: listen to find out, UM, So stay tuned for part two.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, if there's anything we talked about that
Speaker 1: you want us to discuss more in depth, please let
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