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Speaker 1: sex handled in your house? Like, did you get the talk?
Speaker 1: Did you was it frowned upon? Because we we got
Speaker 1: We've gotten the gamut of no, We're very open. My mom,
Speaker 1: I think I asked about sex. I think it maybe
Speaker 1: second grade. I don't know if it's like someone was
Speaker 1: talking about at school or what it was. And then
Speaker 1: I went home and I asked my mom and she
Speaker 1: told me what it was, and that was it. She
Speaker 1: didn't make a big deal about it. She told me
Speaker 1: about you know, that's what happens when you get a
Speaker 1: little bit older and get your period and YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 1: It was never anything that was taboo or unspoken. If
Speaker 1: we had a question, we talked to our parents. You know,
Speaker 1: my mom, So when you first start having sex, make
Speaker 1: sure you come to us. We'll get your on birth control,
Speaker 1: do whatever. It was so open, and I feel like
Speaker 1: because of that, I'm just I never rebelled. I've never
Speaker 1: never had a one night stand, never, nothing, nothing like that.
Speaker 1: I just think I've just been well, you've listened to
Speaker 1: your own body and gone off of your own instincts. Really,
Speaker 1: because it's like some people like one night stands, I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm not. I'm not saying there's anything wrong
Speaker 1: with the one night stand, but I can't, Like I
Speaker 1: can't have one myself because I need to be emotionally
Speaker 1: attached to you before I want to have sex. So
Speaker 1: that like I tried to have I guess I technically
Speaker 1: did because I had sex with a male sex worker.
Speaker 1: But there was a lot of lead up and a
Speaker 1: lot of getting to know you. But but like I, yeah,
Speaker 1: I understand, but you you basically uh listen to yourself
Speaker 1: and respected your own pace with your own sexuality, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it was never anything that was a problem in
Speaker 1: our health. Like if I don't know, if we had
Speaker 1: a question, we would go to my mom or you know,
Speaker 1: it's just it is what it is. It wasn't a
Speaker 1: religion in your household because a lot of times, with
Speaker 1: you know, messing kids minds up with sex, sometimes that's
Speaker 1: intertwined with super religious households. So we weren't super religious.
Speaker 1: I grew up Catholic. We went to church every Sunday. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it wasn't like you shouldn't do this or
Speaker 1: you can't do this because that there was no shame.
Speaker 1: It was very very open Catholicism. Son's shame. You don't
Speaker 1: hear about that enough, I know, right, well, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just you just take it with a grain of salt.
Speaker 1: I mean, is there. So the big thing that I
Speaker 1: always find interesting about Catholicism is the obsession with masturbation.
Speaker 1: Uh they don't like it, right, Yeah, no they're not.
Speaker 1: That was something I had a hard time with growing.
Speaker 1: I was like, but just to my own, Like I
Speaker 1: never really talked about it with my mom or anything
Speaker 1: like that, but I was like, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: feel bad about this. Yeah that's good, that's good. And
Speaker 1: I think so much of having a healthy mindset towards sex.
Speaker 1: Obviously it's the environment that you grew up in, but
Speaker 1: then it's also having to kind of in your head
Speaker 1: separate fact from fiction and kind of what is propaganda
Speaker 1: and what is how I really feel? For um? Okay, So,
Speaker 1: so your dad's also a professional wrestler, you said, is
Speaker 1: he he was back in the nineties, which he was
Speaker 1: never really a big name. He wrestled a lot of
Speaker 1: big names like like Razor Ramonepashonga, the Big Boss, man
Speaker 1: Um Bret and Now and Hart Soames, but he was
Speaker 1: never really what was his stage name, Paul Van Dale? Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I want to right off the birth certificate, but it's
Speaker 1: a really that's a really good last name, you know,
Speaker 1: like my last name is fish. Sure, that's not going
Speaker 1: to be like a wrestler that's gonna like take you down,
Speaker 1: like Van Dale sounds like to smack me in the face,
Speaker 1: and it sounds regal. It sounds like like an morett.
Speaker 1: I feel like those two part last names like that's
Speaker 1: where that's where the money is. Baby, not much about it.
Speaker 1: So what made you want to be go from cheerleader
Speaker 1: to beaten chicks? Up, so it was never really a plan.
Speaker 1: It wasn't something that I aspired to do as a kid,
Speaker 1: because I did grow up watching it, and um, I
Speaker 1: grew up watching with my dad, and I idolized people
Speaker 1: like Miss Elizabeth. She wasn't a wrestler, but she was
Speaker 1: a manager and she was so fabulous and classy, so
Speaker 1: I loved watching her. But I never thought I'm going
Speaker 1: to grow up and be a lady wrestler. And it
Speaker 1: was when I was done with the Lakers, I moved
Speaker 1: back home to Massachusetts, and I'm like, what am I
Speaker 1: going to do with my life? Like I really want
Speaker 1: to say, I love entertaining. I love being in front
Speaker 1: of a crowd. But I felt like I did everything
Speaker 1: I could with dance, so I was like, what else
Speaker 1: can I do? And um, I had an agent that
Speaker 1: I was using for dance and they had come to
Speaker 1: me with this opportunity to try out for w W.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, wait a minute, this is perfect because
Speaker 1: my dad. She had no idea. My dad was a rustler.
Speaker 1: I grew up a that was like a nice little
Speaker 1: surprise cherry on top exactly. It was like, you know,
Speaker 1: to me, it just felt like sort of fate. It
Speaker 1: was a perfect right place, right time, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: went and tried out and the rest was history. What
Speaker 1: do you do when you try out? Yeah? Like what
Speaker 1: is that? Because krit and I both auditioned for stuff
Speaker 1: together and separately we're like we actually we auditioned for
Speaker 1: that Netflix show what the wrestling? What it called? Well,
Speaker 1: I wanted to say glitter, and I was like, that's
Speaker 1: a Mariah carry. We didn't audition we all for glow.
Speaker 1: And I remember we weren't a lot of more makeup
Speaker 1: and I was like, like not even a little bit
Speaker 1: and called me the day of like don't wear makeup
Speaker 1: and um, and we had to like kick each other
Speaker 1: like fake wrestle. What did we had to like do
Speaker 1: some movie? Yeah, I mean it was. It was definitely
Speaker 1: less of a less of a physical audition, uh and
Speaker 1: more of a like comedic duo audition in in this part.
Speaker 1: I think it probably physicality would have come uh later,
Speaker 1: but we didn't get that far. So goddamn it. We
Speaker 1: tried what did you do for your on him? So
Speaker 1: it was a ten day try out. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I don't know fifty thirty or fifty girls that they
Speaker 1: had narrowed it down to and then, I mean I
Speaker 1: truly did not know what to expect. I got in
Speaker 1: a boxing ring with my dad a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: prior to going, and he kind of showed me a
Speaker 1: few things, but he had been out of the business
Speaker 1: for so long he had no idea really what they
Speaker 1: were gonna show me or have me do. I just
Speaker 1: went down there with the mindset, no matter what they
Speaker 1: asked me to do, I'm going to do my best.
Speaker 1: You know what, I would never you know, been in
Speaker 1: anything physical like I've been a dancer and you know,
Speaker 1: always into fitness, but nothing like that, and um, nothing
Speaker 1: could I could have done, what would have prepared me
Speaker 1: for it? But I mean, they ended up taking two
Speaker 1: girls out of that try out, and I was one
Speaker 1: of them. And funny enough, it's kind of opposite of
Speaker 1: what you guys are saying, because I felt like I
Speaker 1: focused so much on trying to show, oh, I can
Speaker 1: do this move, I can do that move that I
Speaker 1: just forgot all about my personality and they had to
Speaker 1: pull me aside and say, you know you're you're you know,
Speaker 1: you're falling along, you're catching up with everything, but we
Speaker 1: don't know who you are like there's you're not giving
Speaker 1: us and I'm like, oh my gosh, I just I'm
Speaker 1: here thinking I have to show that I can do
Speaker 1: the moves when we're in the business of his sports
Speaker 1: entertainment and have to show what I can, you know,
Speaker 1: show some personality and that I have charisma. So once
Speaker 1: I did that, I was like, okay, now I it
Speaker 1: was kind of just all came together. Yeah. And I
Speaker 1: know like as a stand up comedian, a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of us will take one aspect of our
Speaker 1: personality and kind of over exaggerated just a little. And
Speaker 1: with wrestling, I know you really lean into that. That's
Speaker 1: because I love, I always love the theatricality to wrestling.
Speaker 1: It was so exciting and I don't know it was
Speaker 1: and it was when I went to live wrestling matches
Speaker 1: and like fucking Goldberg would come out and be like,
Speaker 1: know what it was just and that everybody involved does
Speaker 1: such a great job in stoking everybody up. What what
Speaker 1: is your character? Do you have like a certain thing
Speaker 1: that defines her? So I felt like the thing I
Speaker 1: try to lean on the most is my character because
Speaker 1: I know that I didn't grow up in this business
Speaker 1: like a lot of the women that I work with,
Speaker 1: you know, Charlotte Flair, who that is? Are you know?
Speaker 1: Or all of these other women who have been wrestling
Speaker 1: for years just trying to get to w W E
Speaker 1: and I just here, I am showed up. I never
Speaker 1: had any history and here I am. So I felt
Speaker 1: like I'm never gonna be, no matter what, as good
Speaker 1: as these girls, or at least that's what the public
Speaker 1: perception is going to be. So my thing that I'm
Speaker 1: leaning on is to at least have a character. I
Speaker 1: want to be over the top. I want people I
Speaker 1: love to make people hate me. I love it. I think,
Speaker 1: you know what I think, because I'm like, maybe that
Speaker 1: stems from having a nice childhood because there's so we
Speaker 1: have so few guests on here that I have had
Speaker 1: a nice childhood, because I just think not a lot
Speaker 1: of people did. And so I think that's why I
Speaker 1: do like people hating me. It's so funny. I feel like,
Speaker 1: there's my life has been knock good wood. I don't
Speaker 1: really have that much of drama in my life. So
Speaker 1: I feel like that's something that I try to really like.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I'm sort of a people pleaser anyway.
Speaker 1: Me Leah in everyday life. So to be able to
Speaker 1: hone into the opposite of that for my character, it's
Speaker 1: I just want everyone to just hate hate and I
Speaker 1: love that's fun. So yeah, when you were creating Carmela, like,
Speaker 1: so do you do they kind of say, this is
Speaker 1: the kind of character we need. Did you present that
Speaker 1: fully to them? Like? How does that work with with
Speaker 1: creating a character. I came up with her all on
Speaker 1: my own. I well, not all on my own. I mean,
Speaker 1: of course people have input and there's things you know,
Speaker 1: they want you to tweak or change, but um, I
Speaker 1: want I'm from Massachusetts, so I was thinking I want
Speaker 1: to do this, and I'm from a big Italian family.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Carmel mob what carmalo soprano um torria Gotti
Speaker 1: like that sort of vibe, And that's exactly sort of
Speaker 1: what she was and what she still is to this day.
Speaker 1: I mean she's changed and evolved over the I mean,
Speaker 1: I've been in the business now for almost seven years,
Speaker 1: so it's changed, but at the same time, to her core,
Speaker 1: that is sort of, um, who Carmela still is. That's
Speaker 1: so fun to have that like creative outlet to um
Speaker 1: push the size of yourself that you don't usually, Yeah,
Speaker 1: engage within your personal life. That's yeah, it's really cool.
Speaker 1: And for me, I feel like, like I really watch
Speaker 1: a lot of Mob Wives and Real house Lives of
Speaker 1: New Jersey, and I'm like, what makes me hate this chick?
Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to be just like her, Like
Speaker 1: these little things that people do, like, you know, you
Speaker 1: just pick up little um you know, character traits that
Speaker 1: they have and try to incorporate that into my character.
Speaker 1: Is there anything that you do to you know, when
Speaker 1: you're going into the ring, like to prep to become
Speaker 1: this other person? Do you have? I think for me,
Speaker 1: most of most of the time before I go out,
Speaker 1: I'm just constantly thinking of all of the negativity that
Speaker 1: and like negative feedback I get from our fans or
Speaker 1: just the audience in general. And I'm like, eat it
Speaker 1: up for me to go out there and prove to
Speaker 1: them and like just continue to like shatter this false
Speaker 1: you know idea they have of me. And I want
Speaker 1: to go out there and just show what I can do.
Speaker 1: And I just like keep that in so when I'm
Speaker 1: out there, I'm like, hey, did you like that clip?
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