Speaker 1: Happy New Year and Happy Saturday. We know that was
Speaker 1: so so hard for many folks and that there is
Speaker 1: still more to go in So our first Saturday Classic
Speaker 1: of this year is all about surviving. It is Violet Jessup,
Speaker 1: who survived tuberculosis, as well as the rex of both
Speaker 1: the Titanic and its sister ship, the Britannic. This episode
Speaker 1: originally came out on September two. Welcome to Stuff You
Speaker 1: Missed in History Class, a production of I Heart Radio. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm tray Cevie Wilson and
Speaker 1: I'm Holly Fry. Shipwrecks longtime favorite thing on our show
Speaker 1: from way before Holly and I joined, And today we're
Speaker 1: taking a slightly different approach to the perennial favorite of shipwrecks.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about a ship survivor. Her name
Speaker 1: is Violet Jessup. She survived a whole lot, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to spoil it, so that is all I'm
Speaker 1: saying for the intro. Violent Constance Jessup was born on
Speaker 1: October two of eight seven, near Bahia Blanca, Argentina. Her parents,
Speaker 1: William Jessup and Catherine Kelly, had emigrated there from Dublin
Speaker 1: in the mid eighteen eighties with the goal of starting
Speaker 1: a sheep farm. Her life at first was extremely modest.
Speaker 1: Her father didn't really have enough money for a whole
Speaker 1: herd of sheep, so they were living in what was
Speaker 1: basically a one room structure of adobe bricks. Violet's crib
Speaker 1: was made out of a gin box. After a while,
Speaker 1: when it became clear that he wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: buy enough sheep to make the farm self sustaining, Violet's
Speaker 1: father instead took a series of other jobs, first working
Speaker 1: as a customs officer and then working for a railroad line.
Speaker 1: This did put the family on more solid financial footing,
Speaker 1: but in spite of that, Violet and the rest of
Speaker 1: her siblings who were born afterwards she was the oldest,
Speaker 1: they had a number of medical catastrophes, and really, regardless
Speaker 1: of what their income had been like, these catastrophes would
Speaker 1: have basically been unavoidable at the time. Violet and her
Speaker 1: younger brother Ray at the time when it was just
Speaker 1: the two of them, both got scarlet fever and Ray
Speaker 1: actually died of it. Violet later got tuberculosis and then
Speaker 1: also got typhoid fever. Two of her brothers nearly died
Speaker 1: of diphtheria. She had four brothers and one sister who
Speaker 1: survived to adulthood, but she had other brothers and a
Speaker 1: sister who died while they were still children. Violets tuberculosis
Speaker 1: caused her lungs to hemorrhage, and so even after she
Speaker 1: was old enough to go to school, a doctor actually
Speaker 1: recommended that she stay home. Later, when Violet was in
Speaker 1: the hospital and seemed as though she might not recover,
Speaker 1: it was recommended that she go to the mountains where
Speaker 1: the air might give her a few more months. They
Speaker 1: really did think she was going to die. Her lungs
Speaker 1: had been seriously hemorrhaging for a long time. So after
Speaker 1: having lived in Bahia Blanca and Buenos Airess, Violet's father
Speaker 1: got a transfer to Mendoza, Argentina, which is in the
Speaker 1: foothills of the Andies Mountains, and Violet's health did get stronger.
Speaker 1: In Mendoza. She seemed to have an aggressively stubborn will
Speaker 1: to live, and after a while she was doing well
Speaker 1: enough to explore their sprawling adobe house with her pet armadillo.
Speaker 1: I find that wildly charming. Eventually she was well enough
Speaker 1: to go to school, which she did gleefully until her
Speaker 1: father's death when she was in her early teens. She
Speaker 1: really wanted to think so badly. She wanted to be
Speaker 1: able to go to school, and she wanted to have
Speaker 1: a sister, but instead she had a series of brothers,
Speaker 1: then a sister who tragically died of meningitis when she
Speaker 1: was a baby, then a sister who lived to adulthood.
Speaker 1: So when Violet's father died, her mother decided to take
Speaker 1: the family to England, even though people worried that Violet's
Speaker 1: lungs would not be able to handle the English air.
Speaker 1: This was such a big concern that one of her
Speaker 1: Argentinian teachers actually offered to adopt her. At this point,
Speaker 1: Violet was about sixteen years old. They had a difficult time, however.
Speaker 1: Violet's mother had actually been pregnant when her father died,
Speaker 1: and the baby died shortly after it was born. In
Speaker 1: spite of the help of Violet's aunt and uncle, they
Speaker 1: were her mother's sister and her husband, the family had
Speaker 1: real trouble finding a place to live. There were six
Speaker 1: children and a mother with no source of income beyond
Speaker 1: a very small widows pension and Eventually, it was decided
Speaker 1: to put the boys in a Catholic orphanage so that
Speaker 1: they could be educated and raised within their religious faith.
Speaker 1: Placing the boys in an orphanage actually allowed their mother
Speaker 1: to go find work, and she got work as a
Speaker 1: stewardess and the Royal Mail Line, where she worked for
Speaker 1: five years. This gave her an income, although because the
Speaker 1: Royal Mail Line was providing long distance passenger service across
Speaker 1: the ocean, it meant that she had long absences and
Speaker 1: separations from the rest of the family. While her mother
Speaker 1: was away, it was up to Violet to look after
Speaker 1: her surviving little sister, Eileen, although this was interrupted it
Speaker 1: by yet another hospitalization for gall stones. Eventually, the two
Speaker 1: sisters boarded in a convent where they could stay together
Speaker 1: and be educated. Violet continued to live on at the
Speaker 1: convent after finding work as a governess. Violet's own health
Speaker 1: and the various illnesses of her siblings, the death of
Speaker 1: her baby sister Molly for meningitis. All these things combined
Speaker 1: together to lead her to want to study nursing, and
Speaker 1: while she was living in the convent, she set her
Speaker 1: sights on taking an exam that would allow her to
Speaker 1: further in her education and pursue a career. But then,
Speaker 1: after her mother had spent five years working as a stewardess,
Speaker 1: her health became too fragile to continue, and so Violet,
Speaker 1: recognizing that her family needed a source of more income
Speaker 1: than she could possibly provide by being a governess, applied
Speaker 1: to be a stewardess herself like her mother, and she
Speaker 1: did so at the Royal Mail Line. We're going to
Speaker 1: talk about what happened once she became a stewardess on
Speaker 1: board these ocean line nurse after a brief word from
Speaker 1: one of the sponsors who keeps our show on the air.
Speaker 1: When Violent Jessip first applied to be a stewardess, the
Speaker 1: man who interviewed her was not optimistic about her chances.
Speaker 1: He told her she was both too young and too pretty.
Speaker 1: She promised him that she would be as dedicated, careful
Speaker 1: and unassuming as possible if he would just give her
Speaker 1: the job, and finally he told her the next opening
Speaker 1: was in fact hers, although it might take some time
Speaker 1: for a vacancy to open. Jessup and her mother got
Speaker 1: to work assembling a wardrobe that would be as boring
Speaker 1: and unattractive as possible cracks me up that she had
Speaker 1: to take those steps. Her memoirs talk about her just
Speaker 1: trying to find the most dowdy, gray, unappealing outfits possible.
Speaker 1: Jessup's first post was a board that Orinoco, which traveled
Speaker 1: to the West Indies, better known today as the Career
Speaker 1: to Be in. This was really physically demanding work. Ocean
Speaker 1: liners of this era were a lot more about utility
Speaker 1: than about vacationing. So today somebody might get on a
Speaker 1: similar ship to basically tool around the Caribbean on a
Speaker 1: pleasure cruise, but most people on ocean liner needed to
Speaker 1: get from one place to another, typically across an ocean. Uh.
Speaker 1: It was not about taking time off and relaxing. It
Speaker 1: was about enduring a long voyage to get to where
Speaker 1: you needed to go, and not a lot of ports
Speaker 1: of call with um exciting activities to partake him with
Speaker 1: transatlantic travel. And then also we don't really talk about
Speaker 1: it as as much in this episode, but the people
Speaker 1: who were in actual cabins, who Violet would have been
Speaker 1: working with as a stewardess, they were in the minority.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of people in steerage and very
Speaker 1: unpleasant accommodations. However, in spite of these differences between how
Speaker 1: we look at cruising now versus how these liners were
Speaker 1: functioning then, the role of stewardess was very like that
Speaker 1: of a Aben steward today. Violet would have cleaned cabins,
Speaker 1: run errands for passengers, delivered meals, generally, kept things neat
Speaker 1: and tidy, and looked after sea sick passengers. Sometimes it's
Speaker 1: involved being up all night with people who were ill.
Speaker 1: Violet Jessup found that getting her sea legs was basically
Speaker 1: a matter of sheer willpower, but even once she was
Speaker 1: accustomed to the motion of the sea, the work itself
Speaker 1: was exhausting. She also didn't get a lot of formal
Speaker 1: training on the Royal Mail Line, aside from what she
Speaker 1: picked up herself on the job. On her very first voyage,
Speaker 1: she hurt her thumb, which got infected just as a
Speaker 1: very severe storm put everybody crew included in their births
Speaker 1: with with sea sickness, and unfortunately, the people who were
Speaker 1: stricken ill at this point included the doctor, so she
Speaker 1: wasn't able to be treated for this infected thumb for
Speaker 1: a while. As she describes them in her memoirs, Violet's
Speaker 1: first years as a stewardess were quite difficult. In addition
Speaker 1: to being on her feet doing physical labor on a
Speaker 1: moving ship all day long, she was also basically confined
Speaker 1: confined there with both the passengers and the rest of
Speaker 1: the crew. From time to time. This led to trouble.
Speaker 1: On the milder end, there were clicks in fighting and
Speaker 1: frustrations among the crew to deal with. She also had
Speaker 1: to fend off the romantic and physical advances of both
Speaker 1: passengers and superiors, and in one case, she had a
Speaker 1: lengthy stay aboard a ship with a bow after he
Speaker 1: revealed that he had no respect for her religious beliefs,
Speaker 1: knowing that she was going to break up with him
Speaker 1: for it once they got to shore. She describes her
Speaker 1: favorite times and all of these early journeys as being
Speaker 1: when they were in port, especially because at this point,
Speaker 1: you know today you can do laundry on a ship,
Speaker 1: but this was not the case at the time, so
Speaker 1: stays in port were lengthier before the ship departed again.
Speaker 1: This meant that she got to explore, she got to
Speaker 1: see new things and basically travel a little bit during
Speaker 1: the time that they were not at sea, So all
Speaker 1: these long stretches at sea were exhausting, and she was
Speaker 1: very often sick, not just seasick, but she still continued
Speaker 1: to have trouble with her health. She also delighted in
Speaker 1: exploring the ports and the cities where they stopped. As
Speaker 1: her career progressed. This included trips to New York City,
Speaker 1: which she loved, and she also got to go back
Speaker 1: to Buenos Aires and say hello to the hospital staff
Speaker 1: who had been sure, so sure that she was going
Speaker 1: to die of tuberculosis when she was a child. Eventually,
Speaker 1: Jesseph was serving aboard a ship with a married captain
Speaker 1: who had previously made advances toward her, which she had rebuffed.
Speaker 1: The second time around, he he found fault with everything
Speaker 1: that she did and eventually had her dismissed for flirting
Speaker 1: with the officers, something she had not done. But she
Speaker 1: also had no way to disprove this assertion and no
Speaker 1: way to pursue any sort of recourse. So out of work,
Speaker 1: she went to find another stewardess job, and she found
Speaker 1: one at the White Star Line. She did not really
Speaker 1: want to work for the White Star Line. Its ships
Speaker 1: sailed the North Atlantic, and she had heard plenty of
Speaker 1: horror stories about that being a particularly rough crossing with
Speaker 1: bad weather and threats to ships uh from the bad
Speaker 1: weather and from icebergs, And she hadn't heard anything bad
Speaker 1: at all about the company itself. She just knew that
Speaker 1: the hours were long, and because of the White Star
Speaker 1: lines reputation, exceptional service was both expected and demanded. So
Speaker 1: it was this combination of exhausting work, extremely high standards
Speaker 1: for the quality of the work, and the treacherous treacherousness
Speaker 1: of the seas. However, because she had been dismissed from
Speaker 1: her previous post, she wound up applying for companies that
Speaker 1: were not at the top of her list, and she
Speaker 1: wound up being hired by the White Star Line. She
Speaker 1: served aboard the Majestic, the Adriatic, and the Oceanic on
Speaker 1: roots that went to New York. Violet Jessup really proved
Speaker 1: her worth to the White Star Line. She was hard working,
Speaker 1: she was dependable, gracious, kind. She was beloved by her
Speaker 1: past in jurors, many of who went on to mention
Speaker 1: her and her warm, steadfast attention to them through illness
Speaker 1: and rough season of their trials, specifically in letters to
Speaker 1: family and friends. So she was chosen to serve on
Speaker 1: the Olympic aboard its maiden voyage as part of a
Speaker 1: hand pick best of class crew. This was a job
Speaker 1: that started well before the departure, as the crew readied
Speaker 1: the ship to sail. The Olympic was launched on October
Speaker 1: after nearly two years of construction, and at the time
Speaker 1: it was considered to be the best and most luxurious
Speaker 1: ship in the Atlantic. It's maiden voyage took place the
Speaker 1: following June after its construction was completed. In September of
Speaker 1: that year, as the Olympic was outbound from Southampton, it
Speaker 1: collided with the HMS Hawk near the Isle of Wight.
Speaker 1: Violet was aboard. We could logically conclude that she was uninjured,
Speaker 1: as she does not mention this in her memoirs at all. Yes,
Speaker 1: does not seem to have been a big deal enough
Speaker 1: to even talk about as she was writing her memoir. However,
Speaker 1: The damage to the Olympic was extensive and took about
Speaker 1: two months to repair, but once it was seaworthy again,
Speaker 1: Jessip was back on board again part of the stewardess crew.
Speaker 1: After a year on the Olympic, Jessip was once again
Speaker 1: hand selected for a maiden voyage crew. In nineteen twelve,
Speaker 1: it was aboard the White Star Line's next best in
Speaker 1: class ship, the Titanic. Jessip was in her bunk, sleepily
Speaker 1: trying to concentrate on her devotions on April fourteenth, LVE
Speaker 1: when the Titanic famously struck an iceberg. After the crash,
Speaker 1: there was a temporary silence, and then her roommate stoically said,
Speaker 1: sounds as if something has happened. They both dressed and
Speaker 1: Jessip expressed her disbelief when a steward named Stanley told
Speaker 1: them the ship was sinking. From there, they began escorting
Speaker 1: passengers to the boats. Her recounting of this part of
Speaker 1: it sounds almost impossibly calm. Jessip and her roommate took
Speaker 1: their passengers to the lifeboats, and then, with nothing else
Speaker 1: to do, they went back to their cabin, and it
Speaker 1: was there that Stanley found them again, told them that
Speaker 1: the boat really was sinking, this was no longer a
Speaker 1: matter of just precautions, and insisted that they go up
Speaker 1: to the decks as well. He even rummaged through Jessup's
Speaker 1: closet to try to find some warmer clothing for her
Speaker 1: to wear as Jessip made her way to the deck.
Speaker 1: The full seriousness of this situation had really not reached
Speaker 1: people yet. Everything was being described as precautionary and boats
Speaker 1: were being lowered without many people aboard. But while on deck,
Speaker 1: the ship started to noticeably shift, and before long someone
Speaker 1: handed Jessip a baby, and she and her roommate Ann
Speaker 1: were put into lifeboat sixteen. From her position in the lifeboat,
Speaker 1: Jessip saw the Titanic go down, and she and the
Speaker 1: rest of the people in her boat were rescued by
Speaker 1: the Carpathia. The following day, a woman who was presumably
Speaker 1: the baby's mother snatched the baby literally out of her arms.
Speaker 1: After finding her, Jessip eventually learned returned to England aboard
Speaker 1: the Lapland, and she had a very strange experience much
Speaker 1: later in her life where someone called her on the
Speaker 1: phone claims to be the baby, laughed and hung up,
Speaker 1: And it's very unclear whether that was really the baby
Speaker 1: of the Titanic or not yet that that'll weird you
Speaker 1: right out? Can you imagine getting a call like that?
Speaker 1: But Jessup's time as a stewardess, despite this tremendous event,
Speaker 1: was not over and we're going to talk about her
Speaker 1: next position after we have a brief word from another
Speaker 1: one of our fabulous sponsors that keeps us going. Violet
Speaker 1: Jessip's voyage aboard the Titanic had obviously been terrifying, and
Speaker 1: consequently she felt as though she needed to get back
Speaker 1: to work on a ship immediately or she would never
Speaker 1: be able to do it at all. However, obviously, jobs
Speaker 1: at the White Star Line were very hard to come
Speaker 1: by because it's flagship vessel had just sank, and after
Speaker 1: she got a letter from Ned that's the old Bow
Speaker 1: that we alluded to earlier, jessup took a job aboard
Speaker 1: another line is a way to secure passage to Australia,
Speaker 1: where Ned was living. Her roommates graciously agreed to cover
Speaker 1: for her while the ship was imports that she could
Speaker 1: go spend time with Ned, and she had hoped that
Speaker 1: the two of them could clear the air, but nothing
Speaker 1: actually came of this. She returned to her post and
Speaker 1: she went back home as planned. The editor who edited
Speaker 1: her memoirs kind of sort of meditates for a while
Speaker 1: on how her life might have been different if she
Speaker 1: had wound up marrying Ned rather than briefly marrying some
Speaker 1: other person later on, who's apparently was not a very
Speaker 1: good marriage, and she hardly refers to in her memoir
Speaker 1: at all. In nineteen fourteen, after Great Britain declared war
Speaker 1: on Germany, Jessup decided to join the British Red Cross.
Speaker 1: She became part of the Voluntary Aid detachment, where she
Speaker 1: started as a junior nurse, finally taking on the nursing
Speaker 1: profession she had so wanted to pursue when she was
Speaker 1: a child. She trained at a hospital before once again
Speaker 1: being assigned to a ship, and this time it was
Speaker 1: another White Star vessel, the Britannic. The Britannics construction had
Speaker 1: started about six months before the sinking of the Titanic.
Speaker 1: It had been conceived as even bigger and more luxurious
Speaker 1: than that ill fated vessel. Uh Since the Titanic sank
Speaker 1: so early in the construction of the Britannic, a number
Speaker 1: of safety improvements were included as this new ship was
Speaker 1: being built, including additional lifeboats and watertight compartments. The Britannic
Speaker 1: was actually scheduled to begin passenger service in nineteen fifteen,
Speaker 1: but instead it was requisitioned for military use and the Olympic,
Speaker 1: which we talked about Jessa previously serving on, was requisitioned
Speaker 1: as well. The Britannic became a hospital ship, and it
Speaker 1: served from December twenty, nineteen fifteen, through June of nineteen sixteen,
Speaker 1: when it was briefly released from the war service, before
Speaker 1: being requisitioned again that August. On November two, the first
Speaker 1: nine six the Britannic sank after presumably striking a mine
Speaker 1: in the water, not far from Greece. At the time,
Speaker 1: people thought that it could have actually been struck by
Speaker 1: a torpedo, and once again Violet Jessup was calm. She
Speaker 1: went to her cabin and she gathered up her prayer book,
Speaker 1: her toothbrush, a ring that had belonged to Ned, and
Speaker 1: her clock. She made a pouch out of the front
Speaker 1: of her apron by folding it up to keep all
Speaker 1: of these little items secure. And then she clipped her
Speaker 1: life belt on over her coat, and she got onto
Speaker 1: a lifeboat. So Jessup's recounting of the Titanic is quietly tragic.
Speaker 1: She counts the lights on the deck is the ship sinks,
Speaker 1: realizing that it's all lost. But her account of the
Speaker 1: Britannic sinking is horrifying, and in a way this is
Speaker 1: a little incongruous because more than people died on the Titanic,
Speaker 1: but only about twenty eight died in the seeking of
Speaker 1: the Britannic. The difference is that those last moments, as
Speaker 1: as Violet witnessed them, were terrifying and brutal. The Britannics
Speaker 1: propellers were still turning in the water, and this just
Speaker 1: created chaos. It was churning up the water, it was
Speaker 1: sucking men and debris toward the propellers, and even though
Speaker 1: she was in a lifeboat, Jessup realized that if she
Speaker 1: did not get out and swim, her lifeboat was going
Speaker 1: to hit the propellers as well. She had always instructed
Speaker 1: passengers not to put their life belts on over their
Speaker 1: coats in case they needed to take their coats off,
Speaker 1: and we just mentioned that she did the opposite of
Speaker 1: what she told them, and that was nearly fatal. In
Speaker 1: spite of her life belt, the weight of her coat
Speaker 1: pulled her underwater. She fought her way up, and she
Speaker 1: struck something with her head from below, until finally she
Speaker 1: caught someone else's arm and she was pulled above the water.
Speaker 1: One of the ship's motor boats picked her up, and
Speaker 1: she and others wound up on a tiny island with
Speaker 1: the Britannics doctors patching one another up, and though she
Speaker 1: was injured, she was safe thanks to the rescue efforts
Speaker 1: of other nearby boats. Only twenty eight people, as Tracy said,
Speaker 1: we're killed out of the more than one thousand people
Speaker 1: that were on board. So previously, she had immediately gotten
Speaker 1: to work as a stewardess again after the thinking of
Speaker 1: the Titanic, but this time she knew that it was
Speaker 1: going to be hard to find a stewardess job until
Speaker 1: the war was over, so this time she stayed ashore
Speaker 1: for about three years. She found a job on land
Speaker 1: as a clerk, but she had some trouble concentrating. She
Speaker 1: didn't really think much of it until a lot later
Speaker 1: when she got an X ray for a tooth that
Speaker 1: was bothering her, and she learned that her skull had
Speaker 1: been fractured as she was trying to get away from
Speaker 1: the Britannic. So we don't know exactly at what point
Speaker 1: in her life uh she discovered this skull fracture, but
Speaker 1: we do know that she didn't stay on land forever.
Speaker 1: As for the Olympic, which we've talked about a couple
Speaker 1: of times. Uh, it was upgraded again after the war
Speaker 1: and it resumed service, and once the war was over,
Speaker 1: Violet Jessip once again served aboard it. The Olympic continued
Speaker 1: its transatlantic service until nineteen thirty five. That was a
Speaker 1: little less than a year after it struck and sank
Speaker 1: a light ship off of Cape Cod, Massachusetts, and Jessup
Speaker 1: actually was not aboard for that one. That would have
Speaker 1: been a few It's it's not totally surprising that she
Speaker 1: was aboard both the Olympic and the Titanic because the
Speaker 1: Titanics crew was hand picked from other vessels. But having
Speaker 1: been aboard the Olympic, the Titanic, and the Britannic when
Speaker 1: all three of those, like best of line vessels, had incidents,
Speaker 1: that's a oddly coincidental that she was on there for
Speaker 1: all of them. So Violet Jessip spent the part of
Speaker 1: her later stewardist career working with the Red Star Line
Speaker 1: on world cruises, and she worked aboard five different annual
Speaker 1: world cruises that spanned between nineteen six and nineteen thirty one.
Speaker 1: She went back to the Royal Mail Line again in
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty five and served on the Alkan Hera until
Speaker 1: the start of World War Two. During the Second World War,
Speaker 1: she worked ashore as a nurse again, rather than being
Speaker 1: on another seafaring nursing ship. At the end of World
Speaker 1: War Two, Violet mostly worked at clerical and factory jobs,
Speaker 1: realizing that her work as a stewardess was not going
Speaker 1: to allow her to retire, and apart from a couple
Speaker 1: of brief stints at sea, she was landbound until her
Speaker 1: death on May five of nineteen seventy one. She finished
Speaker 1: the memoir that we've referenced a few times in nineteen
Speaker 1: thirty four, which is one of the reasons why it
Speaker 1: doesn't include a lot of her later life, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't published until two of her nieces submitted a manuscript
Speaker 1: uh in the spring of nineteen six, and then, kind
Speaker 1: of ironically, the man who wound up editing it was
Speaker 1: someone who had previously interviewed her as he was doing
Speaker 1: some work on survivors of the Titanic. So it all
Speaker 1: comes together in this sort of small world situation. It's
Speaker 1: very cool, slightly scary if you're afraid of ships and sinking.
Speaker 1: I've been on ships a lot and they don't really
Speaker 1: frighten me. But when I got to the part about
Speaker 1: the Titanic sinking, I was like, what, Okay, every time
Speaker 1: I've been on a ship there's been a mustard drill.
Speaker 1: There's enough, There are enough lifeboats for every person on board.
Speaker 1: The crew has been exceptionally prompt about escorting everyone to
Speaker 1: the deck during this mustard drill. But I had this
Speaker 1: thought where I was like, what if the ship sank
Speaker 1: in the middle of the ocean and there were no
Speaker 1: other ships around and we were stuck in the middle
Speaker 1: of the ocean. And then I said, Okay, you need
Speaker 1: to stop thinking about that right now, think about something else.
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